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Russians ... against Hyperborea

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To begin, remember what was said in the article “We are all from Adam and Eve. We are all from the same ship ”(http://topwar.ru/87782-my-vse-ot-adama-i-evy-my-vse-s-odnogo-korablya-chast-2.html). And there it was told that the ancient ancestor of the haplogroup R1a lived in Europe around 5000-5500 years ago, but it is not possible to establish this more accurately. Well, as for our common European ancestors, they lived there and did 7500 years ago. But all the cultures belonging to this era are well known to us, and there can be no talk of any greater development of this or that nation. That is, their level of development was about the same, which was associated with the natural-geographical features of their habitat. Those who settled in the woods did not need racehorses, people who settled on the lakes lived in settlements on stilts, the steppe men rode on horseback and in chariots, and the northerners moved on skis towed by a horse.



This map clearly shows which haplogroups are the most ancient, where and when they appeared, and where they then moved.

But with stubbornness worthy of better use (shoveling them into the hands and into the black work, digging the ground!) Other “historians” continue to zealously prove the universal primitive “Russianness”, the Kamennivka antiquity of the “superethnos of the Rus” and to majestically undefine the purpose. And then the country Hyperborea, from which we all came out at the dawn of civilization, loomed from some side, and it is clear that it was the Rusa that came out! "... It is hypothesized that a certain civilization center was once located in the middle and lower reaches of the Ob, from which the ancestors of the Slavs, and perhaps the Europeans in general, spread around the world." Well, yes, indeed, there is such an area, from where the haplogroup has spread throughout Europe. But he was by no means located in the North, and this, by the way, has long been well known.


A map showing the distribution of the ancient haplogroup R.

Ah, yes - well, how can you not remember that there is such a "Denisovsky man." So that his poor, too, to the Rusam attributed. But only here it is not all the way our would-be treasurers would like. And since we remembered him, it makes sense to talk about how things are with him today in more detail ...

Yes, indeed, more recently, scientists believed that the most ancient inhabitants of the European continent were precisely “Denisovtsy”. But it was like this that back in 1976, in the Sierra de Atapuerca cave, not far from the Spanish city of Burgos, they found about four thousand bones and three dozen whole human skeletons, including the “Heidelberg man”, which is considered to be the immediate predecessor of Neanderthals. As a result, it was even renamed and given the name Sima de los Usesos, which in Spanish means “bone pit”.


Map of the distribution of haplogroup C, characteristic of the Mongols, Kazakhs, Western Buryats and Kalmyks. It has two main subclades: С1 and С2. The highest concentration is observed in ... Australian Aborigines isolated on their continent. This gives grounds for concluding that the carriers of this haplogroup are the descendants of the most ancient Asian population who were the first to leave Africa, but their genes are preserved in high concentration only in two regions isolated from each other: in Mongolia and in Australia.

And in December 2013, the geneticists finally managed to isolate the gene of the “Heidelberg man” and determine that he had more in common with the “Denis man” who lived in Asia, and whose remains were studied in 2010 by the biologist from Sweden Svante Paabo, as well as Academician from Russia Anatoly Derevyanko. It was their research for some time that allowed them to believe that the “Denisovites” were the first settlers in Europe. But doubts remained, and this same Paabo and a number of other specialists decided to analyze not only mitochondrial DNA, which is transmitted to descendants along the maternal line and is well preserved in burials, but also nuclear.

Russians ... against Hyperborea

And here is how representatives of haplogroup J, which appeared 30 thousands of years ago, "wandered off" around the world.

As a result of the examination carried out by Paabo, it turned out that the 43% DNA of "Heidelberg people" consists of fragments of Neanderthal genes and only 7-8% of the "Denisov" genes. And if so, then the “Denis hypothesis” is incorrect. So the ancient aborigines of the Atapuerca cave are Neanderthals with only a small amount of “Denisov's” blood. In addition, the Paabo group concluded that 100 thousands of years ago, Neanderthals and people of the modern type had interspersing between themselves. This is proved by the fact that approximately 5% of the Neanderthal genes from the Altai have mutations that are characteristic of today's Africans. But the "Denisovtsev" these mutations are absent. This means that there were close contacts between Neanderthals and Altai and the Cro-Magnons from Africa.

“Over 100 thousands of years ago, modern-type people for the first time in their stories left Africa - says Antonio Rosas from the National Museum of Science of Spain in Madrid. “It was they who met the Neanderthals, who, apparently, later migrated to the south of modern Siberia, and carried the genes of Homo sapiens to their memory.” By the way, it follows from this that there were several waves of migration from Africa: about 100-200 thousands of years ago, and then 60-65 thousands of years ago.


Distribution map of the I1 subclade. It is known that haplogroup I is present in Europe in two subclades - I1 and I2, that is, north and south.


Distribution map of the I2 subclade.

By the way, Neanderthals DNA in Spain and Croatia does not contain “African” fragments, that is, Europe was settled from the East by land, as well as the East itself was settled by land ... from Africa, but only very, very long time ago, before the mass migration of Cro-Magnons from Africa. It also turned out to be an interesting fact that the “Neanderthal” and “African” genes were not compatible with each other, so that the offspring that was obtained as a result of such “crossing” was not viable. That is, Neanderthals, in fact, could destroy ... it was mixed marriages - that's how!


Map of the distribution of the haplogroup R1a.

So we figured out “Denisovtsy” and more, probably, we will not talk about them as the ancestors of the Slavs. But there is still the notorious Hyperborea, and what about it? And with her, this: back in 1903, the Indian nationalist B.G. Tilak wrote the book “The Arctic homeland in the Vedas”, where he tried to prove that the ancient texts of the Vedas and the Upanishads speak of the Arctic origin of the Aryans. And indeed in the north of Eurasia, the most ancient finds belong to the Paleolithic era, for example, the Diringa culture in Yakutia. But this culture is dated with a significant spread from 1,8 million to 250 thousand years. And it is possible that excessive aging of the chronology of this culture just gives rise to speculative arguments about the extra-tropical origin of man. However, we are talking about "super-ethnos of the Rus", and he, along with the mutation R1a, appeared when? About 5000 years ago! And where does the Paleolithic rubil from Yakutia? Yes, but later it became warm there, and people began to live there even at a later time! And why then they could not become just the very Hyperboreans in question? Yes, simply because our ancestors never left the "Russian" genes in the dominant volume in the north! That is, they are there, but the main genetic material is the Finno-Ugric genes, whereas in Eastern Europe, as well as in Northern India, they are not. That is, in the north there is no “center of Russian genes,” which means that there was not any “hyperborea” there either.


Another Eurasian haplogroup Rb. And who does not have it, starting with the Turkmen and Kazakhs and ending with ... the Irish! Moreover, the migration proceeded, judging by the nature of the mutations, from east to west, where it eventually ended!

Well, and now once again about what science says about our ancestors, and not fantasies “a la ukrain”. According to American and European scientists, the ethnic center of the Russian people appeared 4500 years ago precisely on the Central Russian Plain, because this place today gives indicators of the maximum concentration of the subclade R1a1, and hence the people of this haplogroup began to spread throughout the territories of Eastern Europe, as well as Siberia. The spread of the peoples who spoke Proto-Indo-European languages, including subclades of the R1a and R1b haplogroups, occurred west of the Don to the Dniester and the Danube, and also east to the Volga and Ural Mountains.


Map of distribution of the main European haplogroups. Of course, you can write that all this ... the machinations of evil imperialists who want to steal our antiquity from us. Well, out of harm, say. But there are studies of our Russian scientists, who verify this very thing and ... confirm it. This map, for example, is taken from our Russian research. See, Balanovsky OP Variability of the gene pool in space and time ... // Abstract of a doctoral dissertation on biological sciences. M., MGTS RAMS, 2012, C.13.

In the Black Sea steppes, most likely, there lived men of both haplogroups. So the haplogroup R1a is the “Russianness” from the point of view of modern genetics. All carriers of this haplogroup are biological or blood relatives who make up a single nation - Russian, and it has a rather ancient and glorious history to carry it along different sunken Atlantis, hyperboreans and lemurias.


The distribution map of haplogroup N. These are Finns, Balts, Yakuts, Buryats. And look at the region in which they noted their genes? And where in this area are traces of R1a with a percentage equal to at least 50%. Is that all Hyperboreans were virgins to the grave?

In William Scott-Elliot's book, Lemuria, the Vanished Continent, published in 1930, was a map where blue areas of Hyperborea were highlighted. And everywhere there dominates the haplogroup ... N. So there can be no talk of any "northern homeland" of the Slavs.
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  1. Cartalon
    Cartalon April 13 2016 06: 14
    +1
    Great article
    1. Portolan
      Portolan April 13 2016 08: 01
      +13
      The distribution map of haplogroup N. These are Finns, Balts, Yakuts, Buryats. And look at the region in which they noted their genes? And where in this area are traces of R1a with a percentage equal to at least 50%. Is that all Hyperboreans were virgins to the grave?


      those. since there are no P1a1s, Yakuts, Finns and Lapps, does this mean that the Russians were not there? This is not logic, it is populism. By the way, Pomors-Northern Russians live in this region.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. April 13 2016 12: 07
        +18
        That's the catch. Genetic research (one, with one trial!) Is very expensive. Please note that population genetics build their global theories on the basis of hundreds, at most, thousands of studies. The criteria for selecting material for examinations are doubtful. And it is important: who pays for such work. You will laugh, but there are Ukrainian works on population genetics. Well, as Ukrainian - made in the USA and Canada. So there are other conclusions. Perpendicular.

        I respect the enthusiasts of population genetics, but so far the reliability of the hypotheses based on the statistics they have developed is not higher than any other inventions.

        PS. When grant-eaters begin to get clever about mtDNA D-loop sequences, nucleotide positions and aberrations in transitions, be wary of your wallet, take care of your children, find out who and what teaches them at school.
        1. Bashibuzuk
          Bashibuzuk April 13 2016 13: 08
          +27
          I understand that this article is a sample of the pen for the report where is the thread in the White House, in Westminster Abbey, no?
          Russians, i.e. haplogroup R1a1 .... were born and appeared on the Russian plain.
          In the center of the East European Plain.
          Around the borders of Ryazan to Bryansk.
          And - ALL !!!!
          There are no further traces anywhere. From the Russians. Barely where, crossbreeds are visible, but no more.
          And the whole C AND B AND P ... - write for the Buryats. Well, the Finns can go there too. Irish, in places. And best of all, of course - Australians.
          The North is also behind them, but what about.
          ...
          Well, and what, one wonders, after such conclusions - do Russians have the LAW to claim the Arctic Ocean?
          To the Northern Sea Route? For oil and gas, the rest of the fossils of Siberia and the North?
          Yes, no.
          ...
          At one time, the "iron lady" Margaret Thatcher threatened that, they say, the Russians should be left 15 million. And that is more than enough.
          ...
          Of course, we will not be likened to flayers. X..with them with the Russians, let them live.
          But - Mother Siberia and the Arctic Ocean - give it to the natives of Australia.
          Give, do not sin.
          There are no Aborigines left - give them to the successors, arrogant Saxons. Moreover, they just came from Ireland.
          ...
          These are the conclusions I suddenly formed after such an article.
          ..
          It’s for nothing that I never tried to double the story.
          On the contrary, she said it was too long.
          ...
          Too.
          Like this article.
          Sucked from the materials .. who, huh ... Anglo-American authors.
          Circus, burst my eyes.
          ...
          ...
          PS / Again, I'm afraid that there are some who do not appreciate the mockery, do not understand sarcasm.
          So to them, I specifically say - everything that is not the last paragraph - should be read with a "negative" attitude.
          1. vvp2
            vvp2 April 13 2016 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: Bashibuzuk
            Russians, i.e. haplogroup R1a1 .... were born and appeared on the Russian plain.
            In the center of the East European Plain.
            Around the borders of Ryazan to Bryansk.
            And - B C E !!!!

            1. First, about the haplogroup R1a. It is not entirely clear where the main "base" of the Slavs in Europe is. In ancient times, either the glade was pulled from the Rus to the west and settled there. Either the Russians sdrisnul from the meadows to the east and also settled there. It is more logical to assume that they have drew a clearing. But who knows how it really was there.
            2. Russians, this is not haplogroup R1a. They are much younger, and appeared during the time of Peter I, with the formation of the Russian Empire. This does not mean that the Russians did not have ancestors or that they were some kind of alien. But the very concept of "Russians" appeared then, about 400 years ago.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 April 13 2016 16: 16
              +1
              In my opinion, it is just obvious that the Slavs with the halogen group r1a came from Central Asia and assimilated the natives with the halogen group i2. The outbreaks of the i2 group exist almost throughout Europe. My opinion is that both the Pre-Slavs with the halogen group r1a and the Celts with the halogen group r1b came from Central Asia and assimilated the locals. There is a true option that r1b later emerged from r1a and moved to western Europe after several thousand years already from the territory of eastern Europe. The population gap in Kazakhstan is most likely associated with the Mongol invasion, when the Mongols with the c3 group squeezed out and subjugated the Polovtsy and their kindred tribes with the halogen group r1a and, as a chain of dominoes, launched the migration of peoples controlled by Genghisids. These peoples conquered by the Mongols, united and armed according to the Mongolian model, called the Tatars, went on to conquer the land for the Genghisides, and the Mongol clans themselves migrated to the steppes of Kazakhstan, creating a population of c3 in its territory.
              1. kalibr
                April 13 2016 21: 11
                +2
                There is such a point of view, here you are right. Moreover, on 100% not one of the versions has been proven.
            2. Portolan
              Portolan April 13 2016 16: 44
              +9
              Quote: vvp2
              But the very concept of "Russians" appeared then, about 400 years ago.



              this is the Tale of Bygone Years (list) - the oldest Russian chronicle of the 13th century describes the events from the 9th-13th centuries, the RUSSIAN LAND is repeatedly mentioned in the annals, so that Russia is not 400 years old and proper to the Russians, like the inhabitants of Russia, but more.
              1. vvp2
                vvp2 April 13 2016 16: 55
                -2
                Quote: Portolan
                RUSSIAN LAND, so that Russia is not 400 years old and actually Russian, as the inhabitants of Russia, but more.

                You have problems reading comprehension along the way. No one wrote that Russia is 400 years old.
                And there have never been any Russians (with one s) in Russia. There were Russians (or Russians).
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              3. Atigay
                Atigay April 13 2016 22: 59
                +1
                A very dubious document, by the way.
            3. pytar
              pytar April 13 2016 17: 05
              +6
              Interesting! On the map that you show, the zoned (+ 60%) just coincides with the regions of the original residence of the two main Slavic pragroups - ANTs and SLAVINS. From these areas and according to historical information, the beginning of the settlement of the Slavs in all directions.
              1. kalibr
                April 13 2016 21: 09
                +2
                Yes exactly! But for some reason you see it, but a little lower someone Mavrikiy looks at the same thing, but does not see either ... Could you explain why?
            4. Turkir
              Turkir April 13 2016 23: 01
              +6
              You probably never understood that the happlogroup R1a is the ancestors of the Slavs, not the "Russians". The happlogroup, not the "Russian", is 18-20 thousand years old.
              As for the Slavs, their happlogroup is R1a1. And the mention of "Rus" refers to 626 AD. in a written source, but you certainly do not understand that the Rus appeared not after the written mention of them, but much earlier.
              We, of course, read with interest your opinion about the time when the "Russians" appeared, but, unfortunately, it does not even reach the level of the 4th grade of secondary school.
              Share with us what ethnic group do you belong to? Judging by the flag, you are from Romania, this former penal servitude of the Roman Empire, to which thieves, murderers and scammers were exiled.
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              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC April 14 2016 01: 15
                +4
                Quote: Turkir
                happlogroup R1a - these are the ancestors of the Slavs, not the "Russians"

                Russians are no longer Slavs?
                Indo-Aryans on the territory of Russia are the ancestors of the Russians, and paleogenetics do not find other genes in ancient people on the territory of Russia.
                Quote: Turkir
                the mention of "Rus" refers to 626 AD. in a written source

                In which written source?
                1. Turkir
                  Turkir April 15 2016 11: 30
                  0
                  I already answered this question at VO. And I read photographs, except for the work of conscientious historians.
                  I will repeat my incomplete answer, removing the places related to my opponent:
                  “It was by 626 that the message about the attack of the Rus appeared. Such an attack could have been carried out only by a well-organized force, and not by a gang of robbers. This message, preserved to this day in the archives of the Zion Cathedral in Georgia, and the first message about which appeared in 1901. In this manuscript and reports on this attack of the Rus.
                  The manuscript recorded in "Byzantine temporary"for 1901.
                  A 1042 manuscript on 322 leaves. The last part of "The Siege and Storming of the Great and Holy City of Constantinople by Squiths Who Are Russians".
                  The term "squifs" is in the manuscript.
                2. Turkir
                  Turkir April 15 2016 12: 08
                  +1
                  About logic - "happlogroup R1a are the ancestors of the Slavs, not the" Russians ".
                  Your question to me is "Are the Russians no longer Slavs?"
                  And the Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians are not Slavs? Only Russian Slavs?
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          3. kalibr
            April 13 2016 14: 15
            +1
            You either don’t want to think or something else ... What does the 1000-year-old event have to do with the Russians in the Arctic? Why did you decide that on the basis of these discoveries someone should give it to someone? Where are the calls for this? You don’t need to read between the lines and ascribe your thoughts to others. Also, look at the maps (or did you get out?): There are traces of Russians in Poland, and in Germany, and in Scandinavia, and in North India - someone calls them to whom to give something? After all, then Poland will be ours! So do not make up!
          4. Volzhanin
            Volzhanin 30 March 2017 08: 09
            +2
            So many contradictions in the article and drawbacks, to describe everything - this is the floor of the article to repeat. Lots of.
            That author has the highest concentration since they went from here, because they came here ... laughing
            Well, so much in the text ... Unpersuasive!
        2. BMP-2
          BMP-2 April 13 2016 21: 19
          +3
          Genetic research (one, with one trial!) Is very expensive. Please note that population genetics build their global theories on the basis of hundreds, at most, thousands of studies.

          I completely agree. Moreover, the methodology of these studies is based on operating only as a PROBABILITY! The question arises of the validity of such peremptory conclusions about the directions of distribution of gallogroups, if, according to the biologists themselves, the kinship of the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon is doubtful (in view of the scanty number of matching genes, see, for example, L. Krauss).
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 17 2016 18: 16
        0
        Quote: Portolan
        Ka


        those. since there are no P1a1s, Yakuts, Finns and Lapps, does this mean that the Russians were not there? This is not logic, it is populism. By the way, Pomors-Northern Russians live in this region.

        So this is not a scientific fact. They may exist, but "science" does not see them. It's simple: no grant - no theory. I cross it out. And if they also sprinkle with powder ...
        This is our highly-educated science. I want to cry when these lice stop crawling on us. Or, again, change the poles?
      3. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 30 May 2017 07: 18
        0
        A garbage article on the level of the yellow press, the conclusions of which are generally illogical.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy April 13 2016 18: 35
      +7
      Quote: Cartalon
      Great article

      I agree. Crap is still that. Deeply educated by our geopolitical enemies. And we don’t know what they dug there, but the fact that they worked so carefully already causes a contemptuous smile. But the Cossack blundered. The cards are being torn apart, so strain, recycle, all the same the loot is paid.
      And it turns out we are not Aryans, not Indo-Europeans, we don’t know any kinship and we don’t like to call us. And it pleases. The guys go too far and they have no faith.
      And so the guy tried, even from the swamps he lived up to us, where we were prescribed for about 200 years.
      Oh you go. iki and .edica gentlemen Shpakovsky, it didn’t work out for you and it won’t work, there is too much anger. You need to respect your enemy, and not sprinkle with poison.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 13 2016 20: 19
        +5
        "But there are studies by our Russian scientists who verify all this and ... confirm. This map, for example, is taken from our Russian study. See, Balanovsky OP Variability of the gene pool in space and time ... // Abstract of a doctoral dissertation in biological sciences. M., MGSC RAMS, 2012 "

        The promise is very good. Researcher Russian! Listen to Yandex papule, smart girl. Also fulfills the loot, the nightingale.
        By the way, the card is also in English, at least from the doctoral RAS, again it is necessary to prove to the owners that the loot is honestly earned, the donor - grants.
        1. kalibr
          April 13 2016 21: 00
          +1
          And our people like to count money in other people's pockets. But yes, partly you are right, without science grants, our science cannot develop yet. We give them ideas, they give us grants. This is called the international division of labor! And the map is in English for comparability of results and for everyone to understand. English is international, but not Russian. Therefore, we are going to meet them, and not they to us.
      2. kalibr
        April 13 2016 21: 07
        +1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        And it turns out we are not Aryans, not Indo-Europeans, we don’t know any kinship and we don’t like to call us. And it pleases. The guys go too far and they have no faith.

        Did you come up with this yourself or read in the article? If you yourself, then you need to be treated, but if you think that this is evident from the material - much less!
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 13 2016 19: 57
      0
      Hyperbora - beyond the north, and beyond the north, what do we have? America! The title of the article refers to modern realities, and not to mythical history.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt April 13 2016 22: 34
      +2
      If you agree with the conclusions of the author, then the Russians came up with their calendar two thousand years before their appearance? belay Well well!
  2. V.ic
    V.ic April 13 2016 06: 52
    +27
    "I smashed all the brains to pieces
    All meanders
    And the rope authorities
    They give us a second injection. "
    V.S. Vysotsky
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  3. qwert
    qwert April 13 2016 06: 52
    +7
    Russian to Ryazan, Tatars to Kazan .. And the Irish go to Kazakhstan ??? lol
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2016 07: 01
      +1
      Let them live where they live. Why violate historical traditions and the household way?
      1. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 13 2016 12: 22
        0
        yes, where there are probably most of them now - in the USA, Canada and Australia laughing
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    2. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 13 2016 12: 14
      0
      not rhyming ... bully
    3. 97110
      97110 April 13 2016 15: 52
      0
      Quote: qwert
      And the Irish go to Kazakhstan ???

      To Kazakhstan will be more correct.
  4. activator
    activator April 13 2016 07: 23
    +5
    [quote] [/ quWell, and now again about what science says about our ancestors, and not the fantasies of “a la ukraine”. According to American and European scholars, the ethnic center of the Russian people appeared 4500 years ago on the Central Russian Plain, scratch] But this is the most important thing in this article that American and European scholars are talking about us, this is the truth yes[quote] I was on land ... from Africa, but only a very, very long time, long before the mass migration of Cro-Magnons from Africa. It was also found out an interesting fact that the “Neanderthal” and “African” genes were weakly compatible, so the offspring resulting from such a “cross” was not viable. That is, Neanderthals, in fact, could be destroyed ... it is mixed marriages - that's how it is! [/ Quote] Here it means Neanderthals died out from incompatible Cro-Magnon genes, and Cro-Magnon Neanderthals only benefited.
    1. oblako
      oblako April 13 2016 09: 57
      +9
      Historical science, like propaganda, is a tendentious presentation and commentary of carefully selected sources - archaeological finds, selective facts. History teaches us exactly this and nothing else. Finding out whose family is ancient is to the question of the struggle for power, influence and nothing more. The saddest thing is when the official history begins to rely on the works of its own theoreticians who have not been publicly refuted, although there are grounds for this. "History" becomes like an increasingly unstable structure, from which it is dangerous to take out even one brick - the whole structure can collapse, and her - doctoral and candidate's, positions and universities, joint commissions and foreign business trips ... with the appropriate financial support. There are still no official comments on the finds of settlements in the Urals, just as there is no response to them from world historical science. Ignoring artifacts that do not fit into the official design is fraught with ... History is a class science - what is the match about ?! It does not change, our view of it changes. And regarding the article ... how can we live with all this now ?! Everything is lost?! We dug the sea ?! Group R1a was ruined by the housing issue?
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 13 2016 07: 35
    +3
    That is, Neanderthals, in fact, could be destroyed ... it is mixed marriages - that's how!

    There may be several reasons, one of the versions: https: //lenta.ru/news/2016/04/11/hominini/
    After all, Indians were also massively ruined, including sexual and simply everyday contacts with Europeans. And modern strains of the same syphilis come from the era when two isolated civilizations met, which did not have immunity to diseases of the opposite group of people. I am generally silent about the flu.
    1. activator
      activator April 13 2016 08: 24
      0
      The article deals with the incompatibility of genetics and not about diseases and they were approximately at the same level of development. The Neanderthal man was much stronger than the Cro-Magnon, but the Cro-Magnon turned out to be smarter.
      1. Foofighter
        Foofighter April 13 2016 12: 12
        0
        social ...
  6. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 13 2016 07: 44
    -3
    In general, all this is interesting only to scientists - it is their bread and butter. And we should be interested in the present. There is no past, no future.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 April 13 2016 08: 44
      +11
      In general, all this is interesting only to scientists - it is their bread and butter. And we should be interested in the present. There is no past, no future.
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
      This is your purely personal opinion. A large mass of people who are not yet burnt up and not completely crushed by the everyday life is still very curious.
      I do not argue, genetics is a strong science and we, with some disappointment, but must accept its conclusions. But the intrigue does not disappear! So where in the Far North are the remains of megalithic culture? Who were these people? No arguing against the facts. Some processed pieces of quartzite from the area of ​​Ya.N. counties are worth.! The age of the finds is the smallest 70 thousand years. It can be assumed that a completely different race lived before us, which did not leave a drop of genetic material in the end. And all the facts of such findings literally scream about it. That is the mystery, intrigue and mystery.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 13 2016 11: 44
        +3
        Quote: guzik007
        This is your purely personal opinion.

        Personally, my opinion, purely, is an interesting article, I read it with pleasure, but I don’t see what we, incompetent, can discuss. To do this, you need to read a hundred of these articles in order to have an opinion, and judge by one article - dismiss. An article by one author does not give an idea of ​​the whole topic.
        1. 97110
          97110 April 13 2016 16: 03
          +6
          Quote: EvgNik
          I don’t see what we, incompetent, discuss

          There is a moment in the article - towing a skier with a horse.
          northerners rode horse-drawn skis
          Maybe, of course, they, the ancients, were some kind of "on a short leg", or their horses on snowshoes or moose hooves. Who will pull the unfortunate horse out of the snowdrift? The skier is alone, he doesn't have enough strength. How has the author been on normal skis in the winter taiga? Or just running on a lighted track?
          1. kalibr
            April 13 2016 20: 54
            0
            What do you think, such things are invented? There is a bronze knife top from Siberia, where a skier in a kitchenette is towed by a horse. The description is in one interesting monograph. And if you don’t know something, this does not mean that it doesn’t exist or that others do not know it!
            1. 97110
              97110 April 13 2016 21: 14
              +3
              Quote: kalibr
              And if you don’t know something, this does not mean that it doesn’t exist or that others do not know it!

              Vyacheslav, I expressed my opinion. The head of the knife was studied by a man who got skis for 2 bottles of vodka and he himself hemmed them with a camus? Who went to them in the taiga? Once in the winter, on a road (!) From a cross-country vehicle (self-made, about 6 low-pressure wheels) a tow was thrown, acquaintances invited to pull to the village. There were three of us, not one passed and 100 m. - fell down. And just go skiing not on the road - you fall into the snow to the waist. Does casting on this top not have other interpretations? Accurate reins? Or a tug? Or is the enemy horse struck by the power of thought? Samoyed in the kitchen, why not towed by a deer? And why is he not sitting on sledges? Yes, I think such things come up. And, if I don’t know something, I can appreciate the unknowable, based on some life experience. Acquired, including skiing in the taiga. You write that yes, you personally traveled like this - you would apologize, admit that I couldn’t do this, would marvel at stuntmen. And refer to the cast thing ...
              1. kalibr
                April 14 2016 06: 48
                -1
                I didn’t go that way. It is clear that your practical experience makes sense. But there is no escape from the figure of a skier with a horse!
  7. Atomist
    Atomist April 13 2016 07: 56
    +11
    Interesting. "There have been several waves of migration from Africa." Are we seeing another one now?
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2016 09: 43
      +1
      Yes exactly! Moreover, a massive wave. Only the reasons are social, and before they were more natural-geographical.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik April 13 2016 08: 01
    0
    Thank you, Vyacheslav .. About how many wonderful discoveries we have, spirit enlightenment is being prepared ...
  9. kvs207
    kvs207 April 13 2016 08: 39
    +1
    The same article that puts everything in its place)))
    In principle, all of the above confirms the spread of languages. I'm just wondering why in Georgian and Uzbek, the word "monkey" sounds the same, and neither there nor there, these are not found)))
    1. kit_bellew
      kit_bellew April 13 2016 09: 27
      +3
      Well, how not to be found?)))
      And also in Georgian and in Uzbek it sounds exactly the same "I am your house a trumpet shattered" and other idioms dear to the heart of a real Russian person)))
  10. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 13 2016 09: 11
    +7
    In vain the author got involved in this matter. Scientists write history, but by order of politicians.
    What you need, and write this. And what research is needed, such will be done. And what
    will contradict the desired point of view, will be closed under seven locks.
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  12. Error
    Error April 13 2016 09: 28
    +2
    I wonder how much they paid for the article? And how does such a resource allow this resource to be printed? Only then do not be surprised that our youth do not know that the first we flew into space, that we have the best airplanes, that we won the 2nd World War, etc. In this article, in plain text it is said that we are no one printing it and it infuriates !!!
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2016 09: 47
      +4
      Are you sick or can't read? Or you can't live without Hyperborea? The article plainly says that we are an ancient Indo-European people in the same family with other peoples. And the best planes and the victory in WWII have nothing to do with it. The planes are good, but how many years the street toilets were bad, by the way. Well, and about the amount of the fee, ask the editor-in-chief of the site. By the way, "no one" is written together ... And the typos made here can be easily corrected.
      1. Error
        Error April 13 2016 16: 25
        +1
        Read the son more closely
  13. varov14
    varov14 April 13 2016 09: 31
    0
    Hyperborea, as shallow as UKR, and why not Martians, is much cooler; it’s not a sea to dig from another planet to fly.
  14. vvp2
    vvp2 April 13 2016 09: 31
    0
    The correct European plate for haplogroup R1a looks like this.
    It’s the first time I hear about the “gene of the super-ethnos of the Rus”. But the "genome of the Slavs" you can probably call it.
    By the way, it is clearly seen how glades and Rusich (descendants of the Proto-Slavs) dispersed many centuries ago in life.
    It is also clearly seen that "Western Ukrainians freed from the Poles" (as Dzhugashvili called the Subcarpathian Rusyns, ie Galicians) is not the same as the Slavs. And if they are slightly Slavs, it is more likely from the Polyan branch, like the Czechs and Slavaks.
  15. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul April 13 2016 09: 32
    -1
    Distribution map of haplogroup N. These are Finns, Balts, Yakuts, Buryats.
    I don’t find an outward resemblance between the Finns and the Yakuts, or in order to see him you have to wear special emerald glasses like in the fairy tale about "The Wizard of the Emerald City"?
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 30 May 2017 07: 34
      0
      Quote: Gomunkul
      or in order to see him, you need to wear special emerald glasses as in the tale of the "Wizard of the Emerald City"?

      To receive a special money - a grand overseas from partners.
  16. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 13 2016 09: 35
    +2
    Yes, 30-40% of Neanderthal genes in the genotype of Russian people (see map) make me happy. So, ancient people live in me in a good proportion! Those ancestors who saw a different face of our planet, different flora and fauna!
    I liked the article very much. Very sensible maps. Unfortunately, I was often late and missed a lot of good articles.
    Sincerely.
  17. Error
    Error April 13 2016 09: 36
    +2
    I would see if it was written in China! That China is not ancient and in general they are all from Africa! They lifted up on the first pillar !!!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic April 13 2016 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: Error
      They lifted up on the first pillar!

      Think in a European way ... just narrow-eyed, yellow-faced brothers would "commune" the author with bamboo sticks on his heels, with all the Mao Zedong hatred.
      1. activator
        activator April 13 2016 11: 04
        +1
        Quote: Error
        I would see if it was written in China! That China is not ancient and in general they are all from Africa! They lifted up on the first pillar !!!

        Quote: V.ic
        Quote: Error
        They lifted up on the first pillar!

        Think in a European way ... just narrow-eyed, yellow-faced brothers would "commune" the author with bamboo sticks on his heels, with all the Mao Zedong hatred.

        Here I agree with you, the paradox everyone shouts about the great destiny of Russia, about the Russian world, the last bastion of spiritual and human values, and at the same time they believe that 1500 years ago our ancestors sat on birches and gnawed on the bark because we do not have palm trees. Well, there can be no great destiny for monkeys that have recently climbed down from a tree. But Americans are 200 years old, and consider themselves almost the founders of the planet earth and they are trying to prove what ancient traditions they have. For example, they shot a film about their stupid comics, that it is so ancient art that it originates from cave paintings.
        1. kalibr
          April 13 2016 11: 15
          +2
          And who believes that our ancestors sat on birches? Name a book of at least one Western author where it would be written about. Just one?
          1. activator
            activator April 13 2016 11: 36
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            And who believes that our ancestors sat on birches? Name a book of at least one Western author where it would be written about. Just one?

            Yes, not about Western authors, but about ourselves, any assumption that our history is much older causes direct waves of negativity. And if you choose what to believe in the Bible that tells about the creation of the Jews or that a person descended from a monkey, then I I would rather believe in the Vedic Slavonic Aryan story that our ancestors arrived on earth from outer space in ancient times. Moreover, the Vedas describe a lot of things that explain the structure of the world. And if you look at these three versions with an open mind, the latter, in comparison with the first two, does not look so stupid.
          2. Error
            Error April 13 2016 16: 47
            +4
            Damn man, you seriously !!! It was a metaphor)) what are you doing here?) Give him a book about monkeys on birches laughing good
            1. activator
              activator April 13 2016 17: 44
              +1
              Quote: Error
              Damn man, you seriously !!! It was a metaphor)) what are you doing here?) Give him a book about monkeys on birches laughing good

              good Oh, I guess you’ll get to the explanation of the word metaphor now. laughing And so +
    2. kalibr
      April 13 2016 09: 49
      +2
      No, there they just write about it freely. There are distribution maps of the ancient Chinese. None of them claim to be super-ancient.
      1. Error
        Error April 13 2016 16: 50
        +1
        Yes you go tell them! You are generally not far along or are you a specialist tr!
  18. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul April 13 2016 09: 39
    +1
    According to American and European scholars, the ethnic center of the Russian people appeared 4500 years ago precisely on the Central Russian Plain, since this place gives today indicators of the maximum concentration of the subclade R1a1, and from here people of this haplogroup began to spread throughout the territory of Eastern Europe, as well as Siberia.
    The author probably does not know that nothing comes out of nowhere. About such researchers V.S.Vysotsky has wonderful poems:

    Since childhood, Fedya was connected with the earth,
    I dragged both crushed stone and granite home.
    Once he brought home such a thing
    That mom and dad cried sobbing.

    Fedya was very tuned as a student
    Raise archeology to the shield,
    He brought this to the institute,
    That we all cried around sobbing.

    Somehow he brought from practice
    Two rusty artifacts
    And claimed that it was an ancient treasure.
    Then one day in an ellipse
    Found the false jaws
    The size of a moonshine.

    The diploma wrote about ancient shrines,
    About the Scythians, about the pagan gods,
    At the same time he swore in Latin
    That these Scythians writhed in coffins.

    He is an ancient building
    Searched with frenzy
    And often he screamed in a wild voice
    What else is the trail yet,
    Where do you meet pithecanthropus
    And he hit himself in the chest.

    He decided to end his life single
    And he began to fight for family life.
    I said that I’ll find such a wife -
    Envy will cry sobbing.

    He climbed all corners -
    In Europe and in Asia, -
    And he soon dug up his ideal,
    But the ideal could not tie
    In archeology of two lines, -
    And Fedya buried it again.
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2016 11: 07
      +3
      Have you heard about mutations? There are stable, there are unstable. Nasha proved to be stable. Or do you prefer the hypothesis that our genes were planted by reptilians from Aldebaran? Well, Vysotsky's poems are good, this is the intellect of the one who brings them, but this is not proof.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 13 2016 12: 42
        +4
        Have you heard about mutations? There are stable, there are unstable. Nasha proved to be stable.
        Link to mutations is a great opportunity to fit any hypothesis to the desired answer. wink
        By the way, such a question, why until now the cysterae fish Latimeria has not mutated and has remained intact to this day?
        1. kalibr
          April 13 2016 15: 43
          +1
          Living conditions remained unchanged. The issue has long been resolved about this fish. Take an interest ...
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  19. raze enemies
    raze enemies April 13 2016 09: 56
    +2
    Interestingly, something about the "prevailing" genesis of ukrov not a word. Can they be from uromars?
  20. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 13 2016 10: 01
    +3
    The author has a plus for his "works", but the article looks like ordinary populism, there are many contradictions. And what has to do with Hyperborea or Lemuria, if we are talking about pure science. Genetics is a fairly accurate and stubborn thing, but its interpretation is still ... every geneticist believes that he is right ...
  21. Riv
    Riv April 13 2016 11: 28
    +4
    "We moved on skis, towed by a horse" - to be honest, I could not master it further.
    Respect to the author, amused.
    1. Foofighter
      Foofighter April 13 2016 12: 28
      0
      The smartest? laughing Maybe you still know the answer why the British are red? wink
      1. Riv
        Riv April 13 2016 15: 10
        +6
        How why? From foxes evolved. Those also have arrogant, red faces.
        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 14 2016 11: 30
          0
          You don’t understand ... Look at yourself laughing
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    3. kalibr
      April 13 2016 15: 45
      +2
      Do you know that a knife came to us from one of the northern cultures of the Bronze Age, on the top of the hilt of which just a man on skis is riding, who rides a horse, controlling it with the help of reins.
      1. Riv
        Riv April 13 2016 16: 52
        +2
        I'm serious. There is a game and there is life. In life, a person will either ride a horse or harness it to a sled.

        But if you want jokes ... Who, by the way, told you that it was WINTER skis on the knife cast? We have a wide shallow pebble reach on the river. We drove motorbikes there, and then someone dragged a hunting ski (one!) And surfed. The motorcycle starts along the shore, accelerates the skier to a very decent speed and he leaves through the river to the other side, about half a meter. Back - swim. With a horse it would have turned out worse. She does not fly gravel from under the wheels.
        1. kalibr
          April 13 2016 20: 47
          0
          The skier is warmly dressed!
          1. Riv
            Riv April 13 2016 21: 46
            -1
            Well, spring was. :)
            Ida picture of a knife. You see, the technofascist will say what ...
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 April 13 2016 21: 49
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Do you know that a knife came to us from one of the northern cultures of the Bronze Age, on the top of the hilt of which just a man on skis is riding, who rides a horse, controlling it with the help of reins.


        Just wondering how it was possible to prove that this person is skiing ON SNOW. In Africa, skiing on the sand is a common fun ... Especially when you consider that the wheel is not such an ancient invention.
  22. black
    black April 13 2016 11: 34
    +7
    The percentage of genes of the same Denisovans in different ethnic groups, by a couple of percent, but it differs. I mean, if the author simply commented on the percentage ratios, distribution ranges of the gallogroups and only then added, in my opinion and the opinion of the scientists ... When a learned historian makes categorical statements, this is alarming. Genetics has just come to the aid of history and has already completely figured it out, all adjusted to the old structures and calmed down. Just recently came across a television program dedicated to the latest genetic research. There was about Denisovites and about Neanderthals. From the abundance of statistical information, the brain was swollen in the tenth minute. And this is not the end of global research. And here tyts bzdyts and everything is clear.
  23. Velizariy
    Velizariy April 13 2016 12: 57
    +2
    If not long ago, there was Tartaria, according to the Hyperboreans, and it was very large and powerful, there were "cool" and "omnipotent magicians" and super warriors clad in super armor, then the question! Who defeated them? So much so that not a trace remains! Who are the super-soldiers who smashed these Vedic protoruses to smithereens? How did it happen that the entire vast territory of this very Tartary became empty? And even all Veles and other Svarogs did not manage to utter a word? Which army did it? What kind of superhumans drove these powerful and developed Tartarians into oblivion?
    1. V.ic
      V.ic April 13 2016 13: 13
      +3
      Quote: Velizariy
      What kind of superhumans drove these powerful and developed Tartarites into oblivion?

      ... and more: why does Mohenjo-Daro have all the signs of using nuclear weapons?
      1. Velizariy
        Velizariy April 13 2016 15: 31
        -2
        This is the scale! ... Here it is! Tartary rolled out by atomic war? So it seems that all the "Vedic" protoruses excitedly swear by Prince Vladimir, it is he who is blamed for the destruction of this "supercivilization"! I did not think that he had nuclear weapons ... Now it is clear how 400 people of the Prince's squad "destroyed" 9 out of 12 million of the protorusian population ... era, but it turns out they just hid and after the "destruction" of the Tartarians it was no longer used, probably for reasons of humanism.
        1. activator
          activator April 13 2016 18: 36
          +5
          Much earlier yes13024 XNUMX from the Great Frost (Great Cold)

          This reckoning originates from the Great Cooling, which was associated with a catastrophe - the fall of the fragments of the destroyed Moon of Fatta on Midgard in the Pacific Ocean. Fatta before falling revolved around Midgard (in the equatorial plane) with a circulation period of 13 days.

          It is said in the Santii Veda of Perun: "... hard times will bring the flow of the River of Time to the Holy Land of the Great Race ... And only the Priests-Guardians of Ancient Knowledge and Hidden Wisdom will remain on this earth ... For people use the Force of the elements of Midgard-Earth and they will destroy the small Moon and their beautiful world ... And then the Svarog Circle will turn (the earth's axis will shift) and human Souls will be horrified ... ”This event was predicted by Perun during his third visit to Midgard-Earth.

          During the time of the Great Migration after the death of the moon, Lely, the H'Aryan Rh, led by Great Leader Ant, reached the Western (Atlantic) Ocean and, with the help of Whiteman, crossed to an island in this ocean where beardless people lived with skin the color of the Holy Fire (people with red skin). On that land, the Great Leader built the Shrine (temple) of the Trident of the God of the Seas and Oceans (God Nii), who patronized people, protecting them from the Forces of Evil. The island began to be called the Land of Ants or Antlany (in ancient Greek - Atlantis, i.e. Atlantis).

          However, the development of culture in the Country of Ants has come to a standstill. Part of the Ants, violating the Laws of purity of the Kin and Blood, mixed with red-skinned people. Great affluence swept away the heads of leaders and priests - immigrants from mixed families. Laziness and the desire of a stranger overshadowed their mind. And they began to lie to Gods and people, began to live according to their own laws, violating the Covenants of the Wise First Ancestors and the Laws of the One Primogenitor God. And they began to use the Elemental Force of Midgard-Earth to achieve their goals. In the battle between the people of the White Race and the priests of Antlany, who experimented with the Force Crystals (with the help of which you can modify the torsion fields, the cores of the Moon and Earth) accidentally destroyed the Moon Fatta.

          When Fatta was destroyed, a huge fragment crashed into the Earth in the region of the western continent (America), as a result of which the inclination of the earth's axis changed by 36 degrees and the continental outline changed. In a number of ancient texts, this process is described as a change in the inclination of the sky in relation to the earth. For example, in the ancient Chinese treatise "Huainanzi" it is described as follows: "The sky has tilted to the northwest, the Sun, Moon and stars have moved." The Earth's axis has acquired a top-like motion along an ellipse, which modern scientists call the "period of precession." Yarilo-Sun began to pass through other Heavenly Halls on the Svarog Circle. On the wall of one of the Mayan pyramids in America, there is the inscription "The Little Moon crashed." In the Chinese treatise Huainanzi, this event is described as follows: "The firmament broke, the earth's weights broke off. The sky tilted to the northwest. The sun and stars moved. The earth in the southeast turned out to be incomplete, and therefore the waters and silt rushed there ... in ancient times, four poles collapsed, nine continents split ... the fire blazed without ceasing, the waters raged without running out. "

          A gigantic wave from the fall of the fragments circled the earth three times, which led to the death of Antlani and other islands. The increased volcanic activity led to atmospheric pollution, which was one of the reasons for the Great Cooling and glaciation. Hence the word "fatality", "Fatal outcome" and the number 13 (the number of days Fatta's circulation around Midgard) is considered unlucky ever since. People moved south to warmer habitats, and the glacier practically destroyed all traces of residence in the northern latitudes. It took many centuries before the atmosphere began to clear, and the glaciers retreated to the poles.
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 April 13 2016 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: activator
            Chronology dates back to the Great Cooling, which was associated with a catastrophe - the fall on Midgard into the Pacific Ocean of fragments of the destroyed Moon of Fatta.

            I have only two questions for you: what do we smoke? where do we get it? bully
            1. activator
              activator April 13 2016 19: 04
              +5
              Quote: Warrior2015
              Quote: activator
              Chronology dates back to the Great Cooling, which was associated with a catastrophe - the fall on Midgard into the Pacific Ocean of fragments of the destroyed Moon of Fatta.

              I have only two questions for you: what do we smoke? where do we get it? bully

              Question expected to plant you home on a tree? wink
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 13 2016 20: 08
            +1
            What a pity that all this wonderful fantasy ... the story is not supported by anything.
            1. activator
              activator April 13 2016 21: 08
              +4
              Quote: KaPToC
              What a pity that all this wonderful fantasy ... the story is not supported by anything.

              Let's just say no videos laughing But there are a lot of indirect ones that make you think it is ancient drawings of people in spacesuits, the image of aliens as we present them now, there are references to the fact that there were several moons, the same Atlantis, Vimanika Shastra, an ancient Indian treatise on the description of aircraft. And much more, but only for some reason, they just wave it off of everything.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC April 14 2016 01: 09
                +1
                Quote: activator
                But there are a lot of indirect ones

                Indirect - is it invented from a lantern?
                Quote: activator
                ancient drawings of people in spacesuits

                if a person does not know what a halo is, he will decide that astronauts are depicted on all Christian icons laughing maybe the way it is?
                1. activator
                  activator April 14 2016 08: 31
                  +5
                  Quote: KaPToC

                  Indirect - is it invented from a lantern?

                  You wouldn’t put your ignorance on display.
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  if a person does not know what a halo is, he will decide that astronauts are depicted on all Christian icons, maybe this is so?

                  For example, an Ecuadorian figurine .And still full of everything you just need to make a corresponding request in Google.
      2. Kombrig
        Kombrig April 13 2016 16: 02
        +1
        Quote: V.ic
        ... and more: why does Mohenjo-Daro have all the signs of using nuclear weapons?


        ... there were, judging from the words of those who described them ... now there is "Disneyland" .... and not everything is clear. See Sklyarov's lectures.
      3. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 13 2016 20: 09
        0
        What are these signs?
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 13 2016 20: 05
      +1
      The climate changed and most of the territories became unsuitable for life, in addition, the advancing ice blocked the sea route to the east, dividing the country into two parts.
  24. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 13 2016 13: 16
    +1
    Many thanks to the respected Vyacheslav for the next quality article. I definitely do not understand why there are so many minuses? The article is extremely correct and purely scientific.

    What, on the site are many supporters of Neanderthals and Denisovans who clearly lost the population war to the modern human mind? By the way, the Neanderthals were very clearly terrible cannibals - apparently to a much greater extent than even the Polynesians or the Karaites.

    Quote: activator
    The Neanderthal was much stronger than the Cro-Magnon, but the Cro-Magnon was smarter.
    This is extremely controversial. The facts suggest that the average brain volume of Neander was much larger than the average sapiens brain volume.

    By the way, this is another fact against Darwin’s grandfather’s theory, because contrary to the theory of evolution at the root.

    Quote: black
    The percentage of genes of the same Denisovans, in different ethnic groups, differs by a couple of percent
    Everything is simple with Denisovans - it was an obvious East Asian race, the genes of which were preserved in many populations of the Pacific basin (up to 30-40% in a number of tribes, Neanderthal genes were not preserved in such a huge ratio, their genes are really percentages and fractions of a percent).

    Quote: Gomunkul
    why until now the cysterae fish Latimeria has not mutated and preserved in its original form to this day?

    This is another stone in the Darwinist garden. In general, there is a huge number of "living fossils" that have not changed one iota over the past hundreds of millions of years.

    And so, by the way, a map based on the latest (2014) research on the migration of carriers of the ancient haplogroup R1 ("Aryan"), where genetics data are combined with data from archeology and written culture. And one way or another, Hyperborea as such is not traced. BUT where the very first ancestors came from - either from Western Asia, or from the Far North - it has not yet been possible to find out for certain, so the supporters of Hyperborea still have some chances.
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 13 2016 13: 24
      +7
      Quote: Warrior2015
      This is extremely controversial. The facts suggest that the average brain volume of Neander was much larger than the average sapiens brain volume.

      The volume of the hippo’s brain is also greater than the volume of the human brain. It’s not about brain volume.
    2. activator
      activator April 13 2016 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: Warrior2015
      The Neanderthal was much stronger than the Cro-Magnon, but the Cro-Magnon was smarter. This is extremely controversial. The facts suggest that on average Neander’s brain volume HAS MUCH MUCH MORE brain volume

      It’s nothing more about an elephant’s brain than a man’s brain, and where’s the elephantapience? laughing And the ant has the largest brain in relation to the body, but alas, the mind does not smell.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 13 2016 20: 14
        0
        The size of the brain for sapiens is not enough, we need a system for the exchange of information (speech) and a system for storing information (writing).
        And the ratio of body weight and brain is generally about nothing, the absolute size of the brain is important and not the relative.
        1. activator
          activator April 13 2016 21: 47
          +1
          Quote: KaPToC
          Brain size is not enough for sapiens,

          You minus is not for me, but for the warrior 2015.
          Quote: KaPToC
          the absolute size of the brain is important, not the relative.

          Wash you contradict yourself what .Or elephantiasis still exist belay
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 14 2016 01: 06
            0
            Quote: activator
            You minus is not for me, but for the warrior 2015.

            Yes pokh .. I don’t care about the minuses, I’ll go and instruct the warrior of the pluses, I am amusing the child.
            Quote: activator
            Wash you are contradicting yourself. Or elephant sapiens still exist

            Elephantsapiens (sperm whales?) Have no speech, that is, they cannot exchange information, and they have no written language, that is, knowledge is not transmitted from generation to generation.
            Scientific and technological progress began, and people didn’t even with the advent of writing, but with the beginning of typography, before that people were only a little bit better than monkeys, or the same ants, heh, ants are better organized than us and if not for the tiny size of the brain - people would simply not have a chance.
            Immediately I’ll prejudice your subtle non-English humor - the genetic accumulation of knowledge is very slow, unsystematic and you can’t shove much into the genetic chain.
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 30 May 2017 07: 54
              0
              Quote: KaPToC
              Elephantsapiens (sperm whales?) Have no speech, that is, they cannot exchange information, and they have no written language, that is, knowledge is not transmitted from generation to generation.

              In fact, any animal exchanges information with animals of its kind. Any. Only this is not a speech in our understanding, these are sound signals, gestures of facial expressions.
              Quote: KaPToC
              Scientific and technological progress began, and people didn’t even with the advent of writing, but with the beginning of typography, before that people were only a little bit better than monkeys, or the same ants, heh, ants are better organized than us and if not for the tiny size of the brain - people would simply not have a chance.

              It was scientific progress that led to the emergence of writing. When the first people began to make more and more discoveries (fire, wheel, knowledge about edible plants, information about the locality, local animals, hunting methods, methods of creating tools, etc.), they needed a more developed system of transmitting information, experience, knowledge than animals. The amount of information that needed to be accumulated was accumulated, speech of a higher level began to develop than in animals (chimpanzees, for example), with a further increase in the accumulated knowledge, it became necessary to store them on material carriers - cave paintings, papyrus, birch bark, planks, animal skins. Later typography, etc.

              Quote: KaPToC
              and with the beginning of printing, before that people were only a little bit better than monkeys, or the same ants, heh, ants are better organized than us and if it weren’t for the tiny size of the brain, people would simply not have a chance.

              People much earlier became much better than "monkeys, or the same ants."
    3. kalibr
      April 13 2016 15: 47
      0
      That's why there are many disadvantages, which is correct and scientific. Remember Love Spring ... Neither in love nor in hatred do our people know the measures!
  25. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 13 2016 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: activator
    It’s nothing more about an elephant’s brain than a man’s brain, and where’s the elephantapience?

    Here we are talking about closely related species or subspecies. You also offer to compare generally unrelated species and even modernly different families.

    I will say even more - even in our time there are some peoples on Earth (for example, the same "black Australians"), whose brain volume is extremely small, and on average 30 and even 50% less than the brain volume of Neanderthals.

    In general, the problem of the human brain as such is generally insoluble for Darwinists. The problem is that the brain of any person - that of the modern, that of the extinct - is an incredibly complex device that is MUCH more sophisticated than, say, a computer processor. And a device of such incredible complexity simply cannot appear on its own, because it is generally NOT connected with any brain centers of even other mammals, not to mention birds or reptiles.

    In general, as they say, the further scientific knowledge goes, the more questions arise to grandfather Darwin. I will say even more (for many members of the forum I'm sure this will be news) - in the scientific community, evolutionary scientists have already abandoned classical Darwinism (Not really advertising this, of course, now the "synthetic theory of evolution" is in vogue, designed to somehow patch the holes that gap at Darwinism).
    1. activator
      activator April 13 2016 14: 35
      +6
      Quote: Warrior2015
      Here we are talking about closely related species or subspecies. You also offer to compare generally unrelated species and even modernly different families.

      Comparing a Cro-Magnon man and a Neanderthal man is also not particularly correct, these are two different species despite the fact that they are similar in appearance. We are similar to monkeys and monkeys live among people, but they do not become smarter at all. And as for me, when you watch videos from a tube, the next one who thinks the creature on earth will be cats. laughing As far as I know, Darwin also did not particularly believe that man was descended from a monkey.
      Quote: Warrior2015
      In general, the problem of the human brain as such is generally insoluble for Darwinists. The problem is that the brain of any person - that of the modern, that of the extinct - is an incredibly complex device that is MUCH more sophisticated than, say, a computer processor. And a device of such incredible complexity simply cannot appear on its own, because it is generally NOT connected with any brain centers of even other mammals, not to mention birds or reptiles.

      I completely agree created in the image and likeness, but not with the dust of the earth with a spark of life. wink
    2. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 13 2016 14: 36
      +2
      Here we are talking about closely related species or subspecies
      Why then did our close "brothers", the great apes, not evolve? Why did man become man and the monkey remained a monkey? It seems that according to Darwin's theory, both of them started from Africa. wink
      1. activator
        activator April 13 2016 14: 53
        +3
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Here we are talking about closely related species or subspecies
        Why then did our close "brothers", the great apes, not evolve? Why did man become man and the monkey remained a monkey? It seems that according to Darwin's theory, both of them started from Africa. wink

        Because without yang, that is, without light energy, yang is generally not a coat. lol
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 13 2016 17: 39
          +3
          Because without yang, that is, without light energy, yang is generally not a coat.
          No, not like that. According to the theory presented in the article and the author’s opinion, in monkeys
          Living conditions remained unchanged.
          , but the forefather of modern man "was unlucky" wandered in the wrong place, and irreversible mutation processes began. laughing
          1. activator
            activator April 13 2016 21: 29
            +6
            Quote: Gomunkul
            , but the forefather of modern man "was unlucky" wandered in the wrong place, and irreversible mutation processes began.

            Then there are doubts about who is more reasonable a monkey who remained warm on a palm tree to haw bananas or our ancestor who spat on comfort and climbed into the snowdrifts to wet the mammoth. laughing Or maybe I wanted to extreme ... fellow
  26. vitalm
    vitalm April 13 2016 15: 01
    +8
    The article was made on the basis of scientific calculations of the Naglo-Saxons, its purpose is to reduce the area of ​​our ancestors and the right to the territory today (Russia, after all, must share the resources of Siberia).
    No one has conducted large-scale excavations in Siberia, and judging by several bones in a time interval of 5 thousand years is complete nonsense. The question is, who lived there before? No wonder the Chinese secret the same Chinese pyramids. Something like this, sorry for the confusion
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2016 18: 59
      +1
      The right to range today is proved by atomic missiles, and not by ancient bones!
  27. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 13 2016 15: 13
    +2
    Quote: activator
    We are similar to monkeys and monkeys live among people, but they never become smarter.
    That's it ! Neither modern monkeys, nor ancient monkeys have even close the mind of man. I am not even talking about the volume of the brain and the complexity - the DIFFERENCE is in the level of interaction of neurons, in the "complexity of convolutions" BY ORDER.

    This is how to compare the modern processor in the laptop with the 70 processor (well, the one that occupied the floor).

    Quote: activator
    As far as I know, Darwin also did not particularly believe that man was descended from a monkey.
    No, it’s exactly that he believed in a monkey, and did not believe in Christ. The main harm from Darwin and Huxley is precisely that they, instead of a very special place occupied by the CREATED (otherwise, nothing!) Man, decided to prove that it could supposedly happen to the man himself, without external influence, simply under the influence of heat, light and good weather .

    It may seem ridiculous, but Darwin quite seriously believed that life can appear by itself due to external influences - i.e. he believed that from the WORLD OF INLIVING NATURE it is possible to spontaneously create the WORLD OF LIVING NATURE. Those. move from a chemical level to a living standard?

    Quote: activator
    Comparing the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal is also not particularly correct, these are two different types, despite the fact that they are similar in appearance

    In general, that is homo sapiens sapiens (including the Cro-Magnids as one of the many extinct races), which generally include modern humanity, then homo sapiens neanderthalensis and homo denisovian. Those. it's like three big trunks.

    But here's the problem - the relationship between them, according to the latest data, in general, "who cried" ... Yes, the possibility of crossing, yes, there is a similarity of physiology, but the origin is completely different and what to do about it is not clear.

    Here's the way the table showing their interaction. But this is with the view of radical Darwinists, because genetics is strongly opposed to a number of points (about the modern humans section - because there are also several trunks there, and also without an obvious family connection between their origin).
  28. Tired
    Tired April 13 2016 15: 15
    -1
    Previously, the skulls were measured stupidly, but now haplogroups are compared - whose is the whitest and oldest.
  29. Velizariy
    Velizariy April 13 2016 15: 40
    -5
    [quote = Ratnik2015] Many thanks to dear Vyacheslav for the next high-quality article. I definitely do not understand why there are so many minuses? The article is extremely correct and purely scientific.
    Here are the cons. After all, our modern "Hyperboreans" really want to be the ancient and the greatest ... As protoukry) So who dug the Black Sea is still a question!)
    1. Pioneer Leader
      Pioneer Leader April 13 2016 17: 10
      +2
      article is good, of course. But the truth, in the last resort, does not pull. there are controversial issues
  30. Cartalon
    Cartalon April 13 2016 15: 59
    0
    As for the Middle Russian plain, it is very doubtful, the article does not refute the good old theory of the origin of the Eastern Slavs from the territory north of the Carpathians.
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2016 18: 57
      0
      But she does not refute ...
  31. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 13 2016 16: 25
    +1
    Good article, visual maps, to the best of information.
  32. Const
    Const April 13 2016 16: 41
    +1
    Plus for the efforts in the epistolary genre. History is unknown, the science of "history" is based on "generally accepted" postulates. The question is how to determine the age of a find, how to determine the age of traces of processing, how to take into account the influence of climate on an artifact? Can you take for the truth were, fairy tales, etc.? After all, who wrote the Bible? Biological chemists can take into account the effects of solar radiation as it was 1000 years ago? Those. the further into the forest, the more firewood. But you need to figure it out.
  33. Pioneer Leader
    Pioneer Leader April 13 2016 16: 53
    +1
    I read somewhere that there are many carriers of the haplogroup P1a1 among representatives of the higher castes of India
    1. activator
      activator April 13 2016 17: 59
      +5
      Quote: Pioneer Leader
      I read somewhere that there are many carriers of the haplogroup P1a1 among representatives of the higher castes of India

      Yes, they read correctly, and their skin color is lighter than that of the lower castes, and they themselves say that white people who came from the north brought knowledge to them, that is, arias many remained, and so the higher caste turned out.
  34. Koshak
    Koshak April 13 2016 17: 51
    +1
    Quote: activator
    cats will be the next thinking creature on earth.
    1. activator
      activator April 13 2016 18: 23
      -1
      Uh, I’m not apologizing already, there’s one even before the lieutenant general on the forum he clattered on the clave. wassat
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 13 2016 18: 45
        +1
        Quote: activator
        over there, even before the lieutenant general on the forum he clapped on the clave.

        ... envy, eh?
  35. kvd015
    kvd015 April 13 2016 19: 29
    +4
    Quote: Pioneer Leader
    I read somewhere that there are many carriers of the haplogroup P1a1 among representatives of the higher castes of India

    Proceeding from this, as well as on the basis of distribution maps of the indicated gallogroup, I propose to put an edge at the UN session on the accession of all territories of distribution of the gallogroup P1a1 to Russia, even without any referenda wink
    1. Pioneer Leader
      Pioneer Leader April 13 2016 21: 38
      0
      support good
  36. bumbarash
    bumbarash April 13 2016 20: 25
    0
    good article . +
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 9 December 2016 10: 57
      0
      Yeah, yeah ... a lot of buccaff and beautiful pictures.
  37. Atigay
    Atigay April 13 2016 23: 06
    +3
    If you really think seriously about this topic, then first you need to look at the samples. How many Russians did DNA analysis? 1%? Nah, 0,1%? Nah, 1000 people? well, maybe. And do you seriously believe that the rest of the Russians correlate with this sample? Personally, I witnessed how this happened in Kazakhstan. And I can say that the sample of Kazakhs includes only a few hundred people. Minuscule. So talk about nothing. It’s something like this - to judge a person by his shadow.
  38. Alik
    Alik April 14 2016 00: 15
    0
    Most of the data is apparently from here:
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml
    1. vvp2
      vvp2 April 14 2016 01: 47
      +1
      Quote: Alik
      Most of the data is apparently from here:

      The interesting thing is that in a couple of years they changed the picture. Above is a picture of a couple of years ago from their own site. Below today.
      What is it for? It seems to me that the older one is more like the truth.
  39. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 14 2016 17: 07
    0
    Quote: activator
    Question expected to plant you home on a tree?

    Actually, comrade, I am not a supporter of Darwinism in the least. But also an opponent of pseudoscientific myths.

    Quote: Tired
    and now haplogroups are being compared - whose is the whitest and oldest.
    Those who had the most ancient and whites - died out long ago, these were the Neanderthals and their ancestors "Heidelbergerians".

    Quote: Atygay
    And do you seriously believe that the rest of the Russians correlate with this sample? Personally, I witnessed how this happened in Kazakhstan. And I can say that the sample of Kazakhs includes only a few hundred people
    This is the problem of all research in this area - small samples, however, + extremely limited funding.
  40. cedar
    cedar April 15 2016 17: 44
    +2
    Quote: kvs207
    The same article that puts everything in its place)))
    In principle, all of the above confirms the spread of languages. I'm just wondering why in Georgian and Uzbek, the word "monkey" sounds the same, and neither there nor there, these are not found)))

    So Georgians with Uzbeks according to Darwin also came from a monkey, from it they heard and learned the first word, the word - a monkey. The written language is also from her, there are also articles from her ... Some of them, after bananas, are drawn and jumped to jump or monkey in the media and on TV.
    The Ministry of Health warns: "Bananas are bad for your health!"
  41. Velizariy
    Velizariy April 18 2016 14: 13
    0
    Quote: Warrior2015
    Quote: activator
    Chronology dates back to the Great Cooling, which was associated with a catastrophe - the fall on Midgard into the Pacific Ocean of fragments of the destroyed Moon of Fatta.

    I have only two questions for you: what do we smoke? where do we get it? bully

    This is not a smoke ... It's something heavy! Maybe mushrooms.
  42. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 9 December 2016 10: 55
    +1
    Here, finally, we found out the truth, the womb. From American and European scientists. Which, it turns out, Russian scientists confirm with their abstracts.
    That there was no "a la urein".
    Actually, Klesov is talking about something else. Not about the mythical "fatherhood" of R1a1 in relation to the whole world. And about localization.
    So it would not be worthwhile with such - worthy of the best use of perseverance - to convince us that only American and English scientists .. obstinate scientists. Stubborn they, I quite believe it.
    To whom it is so crowded that it is necessary to write such lengthy articles about some features of the haplogroup R1a, it would be better to look for applications in other places and magazines.
    At a specific forum, a specific dozen people are having fun debating the topic of "Russianness" - and then .. BATS, BAM ... a scary philippic about what they say ... all of you donkeys. The British know better. It's funny, straightforward, it becomes.
    The Indian, poor, disparate, became a terrible nationalist. That's the trouble. And about the kinship between Sanskrit and the Russian language, this nationalist, terry, did not say anything, no? But in this regard, the British also have their own opinion, huh?
    Occam's razor has become dull. Obviously. Too rarely ... or vice versa, they often use it.
  43. Net
    Net 12 December 2016 12: 45
    +2
    I have two questions.
    1. According to all recognized data (even at school they teach) the Cro-Magnon appeared about 40 thousand years ago as a species. On halogen maps, there are 50 or more than 100 thousand figures. Who is lying?
    2. The author did not want to combine all the cards? And then in one place one group 50%, another 60%, third 15, fourth 30%, etc. In total, more than 200% comes out. What is it like?
  44. Atenaia
    Atenaia 16 December 2016 12: 15
    +2
    In general, the article is a rare garbage ... the author disliked "hyperborea" and adjusts, under his purely subjective opinion, the facts from anthropology that he does not like, he does not mention. I, too, have a very negative attitude to the theory of "Hyperborea", but it is impossible for the sake of denigrating even a stupid theory - to distort the facts.
    The peoples moved around the planet and haplo groups with them. The modern distribution of haplogroups on earth does not mean that 4 thousand years ago they lived in the same places as now, but quite the opposite - in others. Most likely, R1a, 4 thousand years ago, had its place of distribution - the Lower Volga region - the South Urals - Western Siberia. This is - "Hyperborea", I will specify - in quotes.
  45. andrew42
    andrew42 22 January 2018 08: 37
    0
    The fact that in the process of ethnogenesis the next haplogroup was spun off from some common “trunk” is a fork on the water, a clean copy of Darwinism in a new way. It is equally probable that the "main trunks" of the Cro-Magnons could initially be several. Various Vedic sources persistently give out information about the 4 genera of the Race, about the 4 colors of the iris: gray, green, blue and red (brown). It remains only to connect this with the notorious N1, R1, I1 and determine the corresponding 4th haplogroup, which would be quite logical. But, .. this approach is stubbornly ignored. As a result, they are stubbornly trying to bind us to Africa - squeak and climb. Pipes! Our ancestral home is the North, later Siberia, later the Southern Urals, then everywhere. And whoever wants to go to Africa, let him get the pedigree from gorillas and chimpanzees, with a tablecloth,
  46. Enky
    Enky 24 November 2018 06: 59
    0
    Shpakovsky Vyacheslav Olegovich - Associate Professor, Department of Communication Management, Penza State University. He has been teaching PR and advertising since 1995.
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    PS. When grant-eaters start to be smart about mtDNA D-loop sequences, nucleotide positions and aberrations in transitions, beware of your wallet, take care of your children, find out who teaches them what at school.

    Grant-eaters - you can't say more precisely. here Bukharin immediately comes to mind: "Russians must artificially put themselves in a position lower than others, in order thereby to atone for their guilt before the" oppressed nations "...