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Super heavy rocket traded for chewing gum


March 30 in Roscosmos held a meeting of the Director General of the state corporation Igor Komarov with the media. The main provisions of the Federal Space Program approved by the government for 2016 – 2025 were presented, the results of work in the first quarter were summed up, and the interaction with the enterprises of the Russian space radio and gas complex was discussed.

The report of Igor Komarov and the figures named in it testify: the department made the necessary conclusions from the series of unsuccessful launches of PH in 2010 – 2015. Recall that about eight launch vehicles suffered accidents at launch, did not bring the satellites into specified orbits, were noted by equipment failures on board. What is worth only the loss of "Proton-M" with a Mexican communications satellite in May 2015, which was watched live by millions of taxpayers.

From 30 January to 19 in March, 2016-th from Baikonur and Plesetsk successfully launched six launch vehicles that launched various satellites into orbit. The government has approved the Federal Space Program (FKP) before 2025. February 15 specialists of FSUE “TsENKI” and other enterprises of the Roskosmos Group of Companies completed the installation of equipment on all systems of the Soyuz-2 launch complex of the Vostochny cosmodrome. This ended with a successful dry removal of the PH, all systems worked well. The third ground station of the GLONASS system was commissioned at Pernambuco State Institute of Technology (Recife, Brazil). There are other successes.

Brothers RoscosmosBut at the meeting, the feeling that Russia was still slipping into third-rate positions from the leading space powers did not let go. For example, it was proud to announce the successful launch of the Resurs-P remote sensing satellite with an optical system resolution of less than one meter. Earth remote sensing has long been needed by the country and, undoubtedly, will have a national economic effect. But the American counterpart works in orbit for at least 25 years, and gives permission up to 20 centimeters. According to experts, overseas optics had already been reading numbers on the sides of our trucks a quarter of a century ago. And we approached this only now.

The landing on the moon is postponed until 2030. About this mission, Igor Komarov spoke sparingly. Until the end it is not clear that it will still be. First, 2030 is a very distant time, another generation. Who is responsible for the final result of the program? Only in 2021, with the advent of the Phoenix spacecraft, will the development, as Komarov said, of the infrastructure of the moon flight. Secondly, why do we need such a mission at all? To master the budget, set the flag of the Russian Federation and return to Earth? Or in order to lay the first settlement there? Americans have long been on the moon. If you already land on it, then with more significant tasks.

Missions to Earth’s satellite will be carried out by automatic vehicles, Komarov noted. But this has already been done in the era of the USSR with the help of moon rovers. Again, the repetition of the traversed?

Igor Komarov talked a lot about tasteful interaction with the Americans. And about continuing to work with them on the ISS, and about the implementation of commercial launches ... "In space, everything is different. Not like on Earth. "

The impression was made that Roscosmos lives in another dimension. For him, the relationship with the United States is peace, friendship, chewing gum. For Russia - sanctions, blacklists, provocations, espionage, humiliation in the State Department, deployment around the borders of the missile defense system. What I mean is that in 1991 we already once believed American “partners” and advisers. What this led to is well known. Overseas, we were removed from the lists of great countries. But the results of the military work of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria showed that it was too early to write off Russia.

However, at any moment we may be tried, as they say, to doge. So, we must think not only about the commercial, but also about the defense value of space. However, the creation of a super-heavy LV in the department of Komarov is out of the question. The United States will create its super heavy SLS by 2018, it will raise 70 – 130 tons. What does this mean in defense terms, knowledgeable people do not need to tell.

Answering the question of “Military Industrial Courier”, why we are not engaged in super-heavy RN, Komarov said: “For 10 – 15, she will not have a commercial burden for years,” so they don’t need it.

The Tu-160 also has no commercial burden, but the state decided not only to reincarnate the aircraft, but also to deeply modernize it. First of all, because it solves the problem of nuclear deterrence.

When it comes to the survival of Russia in a world that is teetering on the brink of war, commercial interests should be relegated to the background. However, Igor Komarov is full of optimism: “Unlike Earth, the reverse process is underway in space. We see the future in cooperation with the USA. ”

You can only enjoy such a cheerful mood of the head of the state corporation. I would like to believe with him in the cloudless future. Yes, time is not the court.
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  1. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist April 7 2016 05: 39
    +15
    In my opinion, the Chinese are the first to build a bunker on the moon and declare it their property.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat April 7 2016 06: 06
      +3
      Yeah ... contrary to Khrushchev's precepts, everyone will sow rice. )))
    2. smel
      smel April 7 2016 06: 58
      +9
      With such a leader as Igor Komarov, a protege and protégé of Medvedev, identified by disastrous deeds at many posts, we can only fly into the pipe
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 April 7 2016 08: 12
        +3
        With such a leader as Igor Komarov, a protege and protégé of Medvedev, identified by disastrous deeds at many posts, we can only fly into the pipe
        -------------------------------------
        I have long suspected that in the name of each of our more or less significant bureaucrats, the State Department immediately opens an account with a Swiss bank, with an agreement, you make decisions that are slowly harming Russia, we are gradually increasing your pension savings.
        Otherwise, there is no way to explain the devastation in health care, education and other areas.
        1. hartlend
          hartlend April 7 2016 10: 36
          0
          Not everyone. Many are spinning themselves.
      2. Yuri from Volgograd
        Yuri from Volgograd April 7 2016 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: smel
        With such a leader as Igor Komarov, a protege and protégé of Medvedev, identified by disastrous deeds at many posts, we can only fly into the pipe

        Yes, wait, right now there will increase the budget and put Serdyukov.
      3. user
        user April 7 2016 13: 26
        +1

        Missions to Earth’s satellite will be carried out by automatic vehicles, Komarov noted. But this has already been done in the era of the USSR with the help of moon rovers. Again, the repetition of the traversed?


        Yes, you first achieve the same results, and then only the language of blah, blah. .
    3. hartlend
      hartlend April 7 2016 10: 35
      0
      They will receive on the hill and fly back.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 7 2016 05: 43
    +2
    liberalism ... ??? with space? whatthe author has a lot of articles, there are also very interesting ones who want, can read on the military-industrial complex (military-industrial courier).
    1. renics
      renics April 7 2016 07: 03
      +3
      Is this the personal opinion of Oleg Falichev, a journalist and observer of the "VPK", or does he convey the opinion of experts from the MIC? I do not trust journalists in covering issues that, being not experts in this field and even without an elementary understanding of this, tend to criticize something. And besides, something strange is happening on all sites related to the military-industrial complex. As soon as you open their sites, the Norton 360 antivirus immediately notifies you about the network attack IPS Web Attack: Vemon Activity 3, the site is immediately blocked and reset to a blank page. In short, you cannot go there with an antivirus.
  3. ava09
    ava09 April 7 2016 05: 47
    +9
    (C) It seemed that Roscosmos was living in a different dimension. For him, relations with the USA are peace, friendship, chewing gum. For Russia - sanctions, black lists, provocations, espionage, humiliation in the State Department, deployment of missile defense systems around the borders. (C)
    This is not an impression. This is treason to the Motherland today so called ...
  4. kuznec
    kuznec April 7 2016 05: 49
    +12
    I don’t understand what: the president sets the task of creating an extra-heavy launch vehicle, and Komarov publicly denies its necessity. What's this? Space friend of the USA, truly. A couple of such figures, with Taburetkin in the company, would be sent to the plot to cut down the forest with two-handed ones - others would be more quick.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist April 7 2016 06: 10
      0
      The fifth column has many faces. And which is characteristic - everyone cares about the good of the Russians.
    2. Blondy
      Blondy April 7 2016 06: 24
      +6
      Quote: kuznec
      I don’t understand what: the president sets the task of creating an extra-heavy launch vehicle, and Komarov publicly denies its necessity. What's this? Space friend of the USA, truly. A couple of such figures, with Taburetkin in the company, would be sent to the plot to cut down the forest with two-handed ones - others would be more quick.

      And they are silent like a fish about ice about the resumption of the construction of Energy with Buran and Skif, although Putin and Kuzhugetych clearly indicated.
      Moreover, not a word about the work on the atomic engine that Kiriyenko claimed
      Russia plans by 2025 to create a spacecraft with a nuclear energy propulsion system (NEDU). The relevant information is contained in the draft Federal Space Program for 2016-2025, the newspaper Izvestia reports.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs April 7 2016 08: 00
        0
        Well, first of all, the FKP specifies the creation of the Phoenix as a "zenith-like" rocket powered by the RD-171 engines, and this is precisely the energy lateral accelerator. More terrible is the fact that the country has lost its competence in hydrogen technologies. In fact, there is no plant that produced RD-0120 hydrogen engines for the central unit of Energy. There are no people who did it. Everything must be done from scratch and whether they will do it is still a question. There is a proposal on the basis of Phoenix to make the so-called "trizenith", that is, three blocks (as in Ariana) are capable of producing about 50 tons, and five blocks can replace Energy. And second, the issue of cooling has not been resolved in the nuclear power plant. The convection method requires a very large area of ​​heat exchangers, while the drip method requires full-scale testing in space, which can be expensive and time-consuming, and certainly not timely in today's finances.
        1. avt
          avt April 7 2016 09: 35
          +4
          Quote: Jurkovs
          Well, first of all, the FKP specifies the creation of the Phoenix as a "zenith-like" rocket powered by the RD-171 engines, and this is precisely the energy lateral accelerator.

          Like how are we going to make a return rocket? Well, while they will reshape our old "Spiral" in a new way?
          Quote: Jurkovs
          More terrible, the country has lost its competence in hydrogen technology. There is virtually no factory producing RD-0120 hydrogen engines for the central unit of Energy. There are no people who did this. Everything needs to be done from scratch and whether this will be another question

          It will be worse when something the USSR was straining on in a completely different economy, they’ll do it now - we’ll be all without pants, but with a bearer of the last century and the prospect of unclear what to throw into orbit. And again they will whine - we lagged forever while we were valandas with chemical barrels! Calm down, finally, and just take it for a fact - a manned flight with landing on other planets for just looking at chemical rockets in barrels, all that’s on a raft adrift to America. Full of nonsense, there are carriers available for orbital grouping for eyes and automatic machines to Mars and Venus is not a problem. But a real breakthrough needs new cars on different physical principles.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris April 7 2016 06: 41
      0
      But our leadership is this .. Maybe Komarov is also part of a family cooperative ?? Then yes, he can give a damn about the decree from above .. There’s not a couple of figures together with the furniture maker who drew hundreds, no less ..
      Quote: kuznec
      I don’t understand what: the president sets the task of creating an extra-heavy launch vehicle, and Komarov publicly denies its necessity. What's this? Space friend of the USA, truly. A couple of such figures, with Taburetkin in the company, would be sent to the plot to cut down the forest with two-handed ones - others would be more quick.
  5. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 7 2016 05: 52
    +3
    “Unlike Earth, the reverse process takes place in space


    Comrade forgot that he lives on Earth.
    Could it be returned to sinful earth? yes
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 April 7 2016 08: 10
      +1
      Better send in outer space ... winked
  6. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 7 2016 05: 54
    +6
    If the Americans behave in a friendly manner on space issues, this means that they have too much from us.
    And this is an occasion to think about whether this cooperation is beneficial to us?
    Knowing the United States, the answer is unequivocal - for the Russian Federation, this cooperation is detrimental, only in this case one can count on the friendship of the United States, this country has no other reasons for "peace, friendship, chewing gum".
  7. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 7 2016 05: 54
    +5
    Probably for Roscosmos, they created too "greenhouse" conditions, relaxed the buttocks ... to bring them into "tone", you need to remake them back into "sharashki", as in the old days, they worked very productively. am
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 April 7 2016 06: 21
      +2
      Yurich stop, we are not 37 years old (s) ...
      Why develop, if it’s easier to steal, only extra body movements)))
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 7 2016 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Yurich stop

        no need to shut my mouth !!! wink laughing
  8. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 7 2016 05: 54
    +1
    It seemed that Roscosmos was living in a different dimension

    Roscosmos lives in this dimension with us, only the leadership of this structure has long abandoned flies to catch, and for what extra worries. All the same, the state will allocate money from the budget, it’s not going anywhere, the loot can be slowly cut and vigorously create the appearance of turbulent space exploration activity space.And that the rockets fall and the satellites do not want to obey, then this is God's will, you can’t put a rollback to him (God) and you won’t agree. If Komarov does not see the future of Russia without the United States (our sworn enemy), it’s time for the government to ask the reason for the love of the head of Roskosmos to the enemies of Russia.
  9. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz April 7 2016 05: 59
    0
    Komarov said: “For 10-15 years, she will not have a commercial load”


    Most likely they only say that so far they only want to get by with the A7 Hangar. And so, in the presentation of the flight to the moon, a two-start scheme was shown with the A5 hangar and the A7 hangar.



    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs April 7 2016 07: 48
      +2
      that for now they want to get along only with the maximum of the A7 Hangar

      Yes, you finally forget about the Angara-7, how can you not follow the news? Hangar-7 will never be for three reasons. First: a separate start is required, which will be used once every five years, costing hundreds of billions to build and tens of billions to maintain working condition. Second: the declared A-7 carrying capacity was not possible due to the low thrust-weight ratio of the URM-1, that is, it was not TK fulfillment and a direct deception of the country. And the third: the placement of 6 URMs around the central URM-1 is not physically possible (well, they don’t enter, they interfere with each other), and they decided not to create URM-2. And in the end, after all, at the very top they have repeatedly stated that there will be no Angara-7, and instead they will create a hydrogen Angara-5V. Finally enter the topic and stop embarrassing young, inexperienced minds.
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz April 7 2016 12: 59
        0
        Well, so far there has not been an official refutation, as is the case with the A5B. I hope that in the East if they saw the start-up table, then taking into account the possibility of installation and version A7.
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 7 2016 06: 02
    0
    You can simply express yourself in Russian, but in Ukrainian it will be "zrada". .One hope that something asymmetrical will happen and it will change and "it will not be so painfully ashamed"
  11. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 7 2016 06: 06
    +2
    The space program does not live on a single RD180. It is necessary to develop a new ion engine like Voronezh, etc.
  12. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 7 2016 06: 07
    +2
    This Komarov, also infected with the commerce alone, some dibs on his mind, our entire defense industry is tied to confrontation with the United States if you call a spade a spade, and no commerce, he generally understands that in space, China is breathing in the back of the head and in the future India will join it, and does this mean that they will not need our carriers either, or does he think that C, P. Korolev created the rockets for the increased salary, did Yu.A. Gagarin fly into space for the 13th salary?
    1. Alexez
      Alexez April 7 2016 08: 27
      +1
      He did not get infected with commerce, he already came so ready - the profession of economist "effective manager" is his leg.
  13. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 7 2016 06: 15
    +3
    Drive in SUCH SUCH SUCH leaders of the industry!
    MUCH such Heads got it .. THIS IS NOT DEVELOPMENT .. and go with the flow and NOTHING TO BE DONE ANYTHING!
  14. Wildfox
    Wildfox April 7 2016 06: 15
    +2
    I put the minus of the article because of the explicit desire of the author to compete in the space race. Why fly to the moon? Work out technology and test devices in deep space. Of course, the Americans have already landed on the moon, the question is whether they can repeat this action, Von Braun did not seem to leave instructions for tuning the engines. Our young specialists also need to gain experience in solving problems of deep space exploration.
    The Americans all make sense, but we do not, everything is not so smooth there and the missiles fall too. And with the reusable steps, not everything is smooth. If Roscosmos thinks that heavyweights will have nothing to wear, maybe he's right? If nothing "defense" will be put into orbit, can they spend money on fine-tuning hypersonic aircraft?
    The resources of the Russian Federation are unfortunately a little more modest than those of the USSR and there is no possibility to scatter trillions of projects. If the flight of the lunar rover makes it possible to educate a new generation of designers, let them send it.
    Pristizh is good, of course, but is a "good show-off" more expensive than money?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 7 2016 06: 22
      +1
      Quote: WildFox
      Why fly to the moon?

      You neighbors, THIS is definitely useless ... But Russia was, is, and should continue to be a Great Cosmic Power ...
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 7 2016 06: 47
      0
      Quote: WildFox
      Why fly to the moon?

      Well, for example, make RD-0410 drag it to the moon and test it there
  15. 1536
    1536 April 7 2016 07: 03
    +5
    The space industry is primarily technology. And the eternal dream of space travel and the development of distant planets is primarily a field of activity for young people, young scientists, engineers, students, specialists.
    It’s all that m-daki (they have no other word) deprived us of some agency created by them, which seized the scientific and technical potential and achievements of our space research institutes, design bureaus and factories.
    And why these "news from the fields" of corruption, groveling before the Americans, stupidity, and, perhaps, outright betrayal ?! Talented young people will leave for Houston, thus making the dream of our main ayvon-ipad and ipad-grower come true. The fewer people, the easier it is to manage them, isn't it? The main thing for them is not to stay in the vastness of our Motherland and Space, which is immense for them.
    Even under B.N. Yeltsin organized an expedition to Mars automatic station (in the 1998 year, in my opinion). It failed, the rocket exploded, the station did not enter orbit. But at least there was a political will to continue space exploration, and the criminals, spies and outspoken punks who destroyed the rocket will ultimately face trial, unfortunately, only by God!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 7 2016 10: 10
      0
      "And the age-old dream of space flights and the exploration of distant planets is, first of all, a field of activity for young people, young scientists, engineers, students, specialists." And above all, this funding is by no means small, there will be precise programs, and not fantasies blurred for decades like Roscosmos, then everything will catch up.
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 7 2016 07: 06
    +2
    Relying only on this article, it is hardly possible to draw the proper conclusions. You probably remember a carrier accident due to a hammer clogged with a sensor, total theft of budget funds during the construction of a cosmodrome, non-payment of salaries to builders ... In my opinion, in such conditions it’s just impossible to talk about the successful continuation of space exploration, and even more so about the Moon. Cadres decide everything, but this position has been replaced by efficiency rapidly tending to zero. As they say, it seems the time has come to fix something in the conservatory.
  17. Wildfox
    Wildfox April 7 2016 07: 19
    +4
    VO crushed direct censor in miniature.
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: WildFox
    Why fly to the moon?

    Well, for example, make RD-0410 drag it to the moon and test it there

    Read my comment to the end there is also written approximately.

    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: WildFox
    Why fly to the moon?

    You neighbors, THIS is definitely useless ... But Russia was, is, and should continue to be a Great Cosmic Power ...

    I consider myself to be an adequate part of the population of Ukraine, and by the way, many people go on thin ice here in 2013, as criticism grew then Maidan .... About the great, this is generally the Svidomo’s repertoire.

    Be realistic gentlemen do not take more than you can overpower.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 7 2016 07: 32
      -1
      Quote: WildFox
      I consider myself an adequate part of the population of Ukraine
      let's say ...
      Be realistic gentlemen do not take more than you can overpower.
      don’t tell us what to do, and we won’t tell you where to go ... go about your business.
  18. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 7 2016 07: 35
    +4
    In vain everyone blames Komarov, he is not a "space" person and he needs another 10 years to get into everything. But Roskosmos has a "gray eminence", this is Koptev. At one time he was in charge of Roscosmos, and now he is the chairman of the Technical Council at Roscosmos. It was Koptev who buried Energy-M, it was Koptev who imposed the saga with the Angara on the country. Here is what one of the creators of Energy Gorbunov writes about him in his book "The Triumph and Tragedy of Energy": "... the work on" Energy "-" Buran "was directed by ON Shishkin in the Yuri Nikolaevich Koptev is a long-time and experienced staff worker. Encyclopedic memory, knowledge of many nuances of systems and devices created in the ministry put him in the position of an indispensable ministry in the leadership of the ministry. wanted. Master of "hardware games." With a negative attitude to "Energy" received the high Order of Lenin for its creation "... and then buried it.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer April 7 2016 08: 44
      0
      I recommend reading Gubanov’s memoirs.
  19. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 7 2016 08: 32
    +4
    Roscosmos keeps on a backlog created in the USSR.
    The current government of Russia can only sell the country's potential created before the collapse of the USSR, while hanging noodles on the ears of its people ...
  20. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 7 2016 08: 39
    0
    and what do you want, he sits on the American pullbacks - a fig lobbyist.
    For such people, the main thing is personal well-being.
    To drive into the neck of a sinful henchman
  21. Engineer
    Engineer April 7 2016 08: 41
    +1
    And what does the Phoenix and the Moon have to do with it? Phoenix, aka Soyuz-5 - an updated Soyuz-2 with engines for LNG. With Angara-5V there is at least a two-start circuit, and for a good three-start circuit. No one is engaged in a heavy rocket, because no one seriously thinks about the moon at all. And if so, then why is she? Repeat the epic of Energy?
  22. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 7 2016 08: 47
    +1
    Heavy "Angara" and does not hold up to 100 tons. The Chinese-Americans have much more, and we do not forget about the breadth of "Vostochny". There is something to think about.
    For those who "need the Moon?" - would be silent, crawl on. And the Moon to us - "because". You still won't understand.
    In unmanned astronautics, we are in full, and where do specialists come from, if education is being ruined frankly, fuckers, b .. t. "The first cosmonaut is some kind of American" - is already a widespread opinion in Russia.
    Our satellites plunged the world's oceans, and the matter is not only in the low qualification of performers. Stories from the spaceport again. That's where corruption and outright betrayal, is it time to kick the swindler?
    This is so offhand.
    And if there is not enough money - you need to print it, obviously, so that there is kudrin, iPhones and all their gang howl. Fuck with her, with inflation. If we lag behind seriously - kirdyk quickly draws, inflation will run a cold.
  23. skeptic
    skeptic April 7 2016 09: 18
    +1
    It is impossible in your right mind to understand how managers appear on the state. corporations.
    Their affairs are corrupt - disastrous. They hit the People.
    We see and be silent ...
    Obviously, a lawyer whose authorities form his funeral team.
    For us.
    They do not need Russia.
    Papers green eyes are more pleasing.
    Therefore, everything is so strange in all science and industry.
    Oh yes !
    There are nano-achievements!
    I almost forgot !
    So there will be nano launch vehicles!
  24. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 7 2016 10: 02
    +1
    From the words of the head of Roscosmos, everything is clear - we are losing ground in space exploration - not a single new manned spacecraft has been created, in the USA new ones are already flying, as many as 5 pieces, they are working hard to create an extra-heavy rocket, the work on which has already reached the finish line, in this the largest air launch aircraft in the United States will take off in the year - who is who, and obviously we will not fly to the moon in the 2030s.