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Retaliation without refueling

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The operation in Syria showed the weaknesses of the Air Force


The Russian military campaign in the Syrian sky continues, albeit in a somewhat narrow format. Nevertheless, the president’s decision to withdraw part of the forces and resources from the Arab Republic is the basis for the first results.

According to official figures, from September 30 of last year to March 14 of the current Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation performed more than nine thousand sorties to counter the IS prohibited in our country, maintaining an extremely high pace: from 60 to 80 per day. The bulk of the work done aviation Special Forces Brigade deployed in Hmeimim. But the total number also included long-range and strategic bombers sorties during Operation Retaliation, carried out in response to the Kogalymavia passenger A-321 bombed by terrorists. The flights of military transport aircraft carrying goods from Russia to Syria and vice versa were also taken into account. The intensity and effectiveness of the air bridge is evidenced by the fact that in just two months, over 214 thousand tons were transferred by BTA forces. Part of the combat "traffic" fell on reconnaissance aircraft.

At the beginning of the operation, the daily indicator rarely exceeded the 30 – 40 departures, only occasionally reaching the 60 mark designated by the Commander-in-Chief. But from mid-December began to grow steadily. The peak came at the end of January - the middle of March. To maintain such a high pace, additional Su-24 and Su-34 front-line bombers were deployed to the Hmeimim airbase.

We note in particular: with the phenomenal intensity of combat work, the crews and ground support personnel did not allow a single flight incident. For comparison: during the thirteen-day operation “Sunrise Odyssey” in Libya in 2011, NATO aircraft lost an American F-15E fighter and one drone as a result of a state of emergency and equipment failure. So if it were not for the Su-24M front bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force and killed during the Mi-8AMTSH search and rescue operation, our Aerospace Forces could have defeated the militants without a trace.

The absence of modern air defense systems from terrorists and irreconcilable opposition has made Syrian airspace an ideal place to test the entire arsenal of high-precision weaponsavailable in Russia. Moreover, it was not Soviet reserves that formed its basis, but samples created and supplied to the troops only a few years ago.

As accurate as possible


At the time of the commencement of the air operation in Syria, 12 front-line bombers Su-24, the same Su-25 attack aircraft, four Su-34 and multipurpose Su-30 attackers were deployed at Khmeymim airbase. Already during the campaign, the command transferred an additional four Su-34 and the same Su-24 to Syria. And at the end of January, four newest Su-35s appeared in Lattakia, designed to protect bombers and attack aircraft of special-purpose air-raids from provocations by the Turkish Air Force.

Retaliation without refuelingAfter the decision of Vladimir Putin about the withdrawal of troops, not only all the Su-25 attack aircraft returned to Russia, but also four Su-24 bomber, the same number as the Su-34. In addition, according to the “Military-Industrial Courier”, from December last year to January of this year, several Su-24s rotated, replaced by similar machines transferred from the territory of Russia.

Almost from nine thousand sorties the main volume fell on the most numerous aircraft of special purpose air raids - the Su-24М2 and Su-24М bombers equipped with the computing subsystem SVP-24. It was these machines, together with the Su-25CM attack aircraft, that became the main carriers of unguided aviation weapons of destruction (TSA).

The time-tested X-25 and X-29 aircraft missiles were also used, but still the KAB-500С adjustable bombs became the high-precision "weapon of choice" of the Russian Aerospace Forces. KAB-500-OD and heavier KAB-1500 were used sporadically.

The share of the WTO used by Russia in Syria is, of course, far from the figures of the United States and NATO (up to 80 percent in conflicts of the current millennium). But in comparison with the August operation 2008 of the year against Georgia, the progress is striking - not only in equipping the VKS with highly accurate TSA, but also in effective tactics of their use.

The upgraded aim-navigation complexes of the Su-24 front-line bombers and the Su-25 attack aircraft made it possible to more effectively hit the areal targets and field reinforcements of the militants with ordinary bombs. But in settlements, where a dozen meters of deviation means civilian casualties and unnecessary destruction, there is no alternative to high-precision weapons.

Therefore, multifunctional Su-24, which became the main carriers of the WTO, are in second place in terms of the intensity of combat use after the Su-34M. It is noteworthy that some of the "thirty-fourth" for five and a half months, carried out more than three hundred sorties.

At the same time, we have to state: the ongoing long-term disputes between our military-industrial complex and the command and control of the VCS about whether it is better — the built-in optical-location stations or the overhead containers have been delayed. And in service with strike aircraft there are neither those nor others.

Even despite the initially dubious concept of the Su-34 and already outdated - due to the difficult and long way of introduction into mass production - the Platan optical on-board optical-location station, these multifunctional machines turned out to be the most effective platform for using the entire range of precision weapons .

And another thing: the mass use of satellite-guided aviation weapons of destruction with Russian guidance in Syria became possible only after the GLONASS orbital constellation was brought to full strength in 2011 – 2012. It allowed the guaranteed destruction of individual buildings and key infrastructures of militants with minimizing collateral damage.

But for all its effectiveness, satellite-corrected munitions, unfortunately, are not universal miracle weapons capable of solving any tasks facing the videoconferencing system. "Cosmic" accuracy is not always enough to defeat small, well-fortified objects, bunkers. Such ammunition is also useless against moving targets. Of course, the range and height of the use of the KAB-500С protect their carriers from MANPADS and anti-aircraft artillery, but almost any short-range air defense system, including obsolete ones, already poses a serious danger to the aircraft.

In the Syrian operation, the Russian command faced the same problem as the Americans with the widespread introduction of precision weapons in the 90 of the last century. Even such a simple ammunition as the KAB-500С is not cheap at all. Each bomb is like a premium car, and the stocks are small, which made them spend it sparingly. During airstrikes in Syria, a rare target was honored with more than one KAB-500С per departure, which was not always enough for guaranteed destruction.

The Russian defense ministry probably more than once regretted that it does not have at its disposal any analogues of JDAM - kits for relatively inexpensive conversion of the bottomless Russian stocks of FAB and OFAB into high-precision weapons. This is all the more annoying because such developments are no longer the property of only technologically advanced countries. Such sets are mastered and second-tier arms manufacturers like Turkey and South Africa.

It is not yet necessary to speak of even more effective transformations of conventional weapons of destruction into high-precision ones, when by adding planes and engines old cast-iron bombs become WTO, capable of hitting enemy targets at long range.

Feasible load

One of the most significant events of the Russian campaign in Syria was the use of sea and air-based cruise missiles. The exact number of launched missiles is unknown. According to a report by Sergei Shoigu at a meeting on November 20 last year at that time, long-range aviation and the Naval fleet 101 missiles were used.

If to summarize the figures from the reports and statements of the Russian military-political leadership, only the Navy worked on targets in Syria at least 46 with Caliber-NK cruise missiles. It is noteworthy that the volley launches of the newest KRs in such numbers were not previously worked out either during the tests or during the exercises. But the first experience was very successful.

Of course, not all of the missiles reached their goals, but the percentage of failures is comparable to 10 – 16, demonstrated by the US KR in the Iraqi campaign 2003 of the year and Tomahawks of the “Desert Storm” times. The Russian fleet has acquired the ability of a high-precision non-nuclear strike for hundreds and thousands of kilometers, which significantly enhances the ability of the projection force far from its borders.

Against the background of a loud launch of sea cruise missiles, the successful use of the X-555 and the latest low-profile X-101 in Syria has remained almost unnoticed. Of course, the presence of such TSA in the arsenal of Russian long-range aviation, as well as their capabilities, were hardly a secret to anyone. Nevertheless, Syria has become a combat debut for these missiles.

It remains to be regretted that even the upgraded Tu-22М3, which accounted for the bulk of long-range aviation sorties, continued to operate exclusively with uncontrolled bombs. Although some of the Backfighters involved in strikes against positions were equipped with Gefest computational subsystems SVP-22, specially modified for these machines, which ensure the high accuracy of conventional free-falling bombs. Due to the limited flight range without refueling and to minimize collateral damage, the bomb load of the Tu-22М3 was severely curtailed. The 12 model kit of 250 caliber bombs shown in Syria is characteristic of tactical rather than strategic aviation. But if each of them were adjustable, for example KAB-500С, then even such a load would make the Tu-22М3 much more dangerous for areal purposes of high importance: oil refineries of terrorists, military bases and airfields of potential opponents.

In fact, all NATO air operations, whether in Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan, do not take place without tanker aircraft, the intensity of which often often exceeds the attack aircraft, fighters and bombers. But Russian air tankers took a very limited part in the operation in Syria, mainly providing fuel for the missile-carriers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS.

Our fighters, front-line bombers and attack aircraft, that during the flight from Russia to Syria last fall, that during the withdrawal of troops this spring, they did not refuel in the air, limiting themselves only to outboard fuel tanks.

As representatives of the VKS have confessed to the “Military Industrial Courier”, as long as the number of aircraft tankers and their tactical and technical characteristics cannot ensure the effective use of Russian strike machines over a longer range. The air tanker must not only carry the right amount of fuel, but also be in the sky for a long time. So far, all hope is only on the IL-96-400TZ, which are being converted at the aircraft plant in Voronezh.

There are organizational problems. Now tankers are subordinate to the command of long-range aviation and, first of all, ensure its combat work, and for refueling front-line bombers and fighters are attracted according to the residual principle.

UAVs have patience


It cannot be denied that the serious successes of the Syrian government forces are largely due to the Russian special aviation brigade. Su-25 and Mi-24P almost continuously carried out direct fire support ground forces.

But if the combat work of attack helicopters constantly hit various videos from the scene, then only three videos are devoted to attack aircraft striking militant positions using unguided missiles and aerial bombs. Although the Rooks worked very intensively in the sky of Syria, sometimes performing five or six sorties a day.

At the same time, we note that guided missiles were rarely used by the crews of Mi-24P helicopters. Their "weapon of choice" remained the NAR, used in Syria to destroy not only stationary, but also mobile targets, including armored vehicles.

Unfortunately, it should be recognized that if the destruction of stationary objects in Syria did not pose a problem for our videoconferencing, the fight against mobile targets armed with pick-up trucks and simply small groups of militants still presents complexity and carries a risk for pilots, since it is necessary to act on low altitudes in conditions of use of small arms and MANPADS by the enemy.

The modern world experience in the fight against terrorism and counterinsurgency actions shows that the best solution here is attack drone aircraft equipped with guided missiles, sometimes with adjustable bombs. This is a truly high-precision weapon that allows you to hit such targets with minimal collateral damage.

Syria and neighboring Iraq use percussion drones of Chinese and even Iranian production, but similar Russian products are still at the testing stage. And today this is perhaps the weakest point of our videoconferencing.

Unable to close the drone niche and attack helicopters. The new Mi-35M were too few, and the most modern Mi-28Н and Ka-52 with developed aiming-viewing systems appeared a few days ago, however, they had already managed to join the battle. But even they have to save smart missiles.

The guided missiles with which our helicopters are equipped are quite effective for fighting armored vehicles and vehicles, but due to the dimensional limitations of their high-explosive and thermo-pressure variants are noticeably inferior in power to those of the popular American AGM-114 Hellfire. Moreover, the stocks of such products by the Air and Space Forces of Russia are just being created.

Meanwhile, Iraq alone, with its modest Air Force, has to spend hundreds of thermobaric and high-explosive Hellfires per month in the fight against IS. Suffice it to say that this year the US State Department approved the sale to Baghdad of five thousand such missiles, however, some of them will be in the anti-tank version.
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  1. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga April 9 2016 06: 52
    +19
    Unfortunately, the authors do not quite understand what they are writing about. No.
    Almost from nine thousand sorties the main volume fell on the most numerous aircraft of the special-purpose air attack squadron - bombers Sioux 24M2 and Su-24M, equipped with a computer subsystem SVP-24.
    Su-24M2 aircraft did not take part in hostilities in the SAR. And the equipment was not equipped with SVP-24.
    Due to the limited flight range without refueling and to minimize collateral damage, the Tu-22M3 bomb load was greatly reduced.
    Minimize collateral damage to terrorists? wassat
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 9 2016 07: 15
      +33
      Unfortunately, it should be recognized that if the destruction of stationary objects in Syria did not pose a problem for our videoconferencing, the fight against mobile targets armed with pick-up trucks and simply small groups of militants still presents complexity and carries a risk for pilots, since it is necessary to act on low altitudes in conditions of use of small arms and MANPADS by the enemy.


      Why did the author not mention the electronic warfare "Vitebsk"? Or was there a task to shit everything? request

      Meanwhile, Iraq alone, with its modest Air Force, has to spend hundreds of thermobaric and high-explosive Hellfires per month in the fight against IS. Suffice it to say that this year the US State Department approved the sale to Baghdad of five thousand such missiles, however, some of them will be in the anti-tank version.


      Let us and we will destroy our country. Oil refineries will give control of Americans under 100%. And we, too, will deliver such expensive toys in batches, maybe even at a discount. There will be no need to spend money on medicine and everything else, we will live in the forests. In the same place do people somehow survive in deserts in Iraq !?

      noticeably inferior in power to similar versions of the popular American AGM-114 "Hellfire" (Hellfire).


      In Ukraine, there is a whole cult of the Javelin ATGM, there they will soon create altars for him and pray for him. In the lines of the author, one can read a hidden admiration for the product of Western civilization. Everything is lost. You need to go to the Maidan .... And nothing that we, in contrast to the vasals, have other expenses? Does Turkey have a Borei nuclear submarine? Or Iraq's Topol-m? Or maternity capital? What am I talking about ?! wassat
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU April 9 2016 07: 19
        +4
        Who set a minus? Justify the connection between the Iraqi Air Force (US vassal) and the Russian Aerospace Forces?
        1. vmo
          vmo April 9 2016 09: 39
          +7
          How many US bombs spent in Iraq? And the result is weaker than ours. You don’t need to crib everything, of course there is nothing ideal, but you do not need to write ..... to the ceiling.
          1. vital1505
            vital1505 April 12 2016 13: 18
            0
            The Americans bomb exactly as much as they need, and the fact that we have a lack of WTO at our bases is a fact, for a long time we have to put hanging sighting containers on all our fighters.
        2. VIT101
          VIT101 April 10 2016 21: 58
          +3
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Who set a minus? Justify the connection between the Iraqi Air Force (US vassal) and the Russian Aerospace Forces?

          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          “The lines of the author read hidden admiration for the product of Western civilization.”


          Rave. The article is objective and correctly raises questions of our so far unsolved problems.
          Your logic is lame, and with a causal relationship you are in trouble. Yes, more. Before covering your vision of purely military issues, you need to understand a little about this.
      2. venik
        venik April 9 2016 15: 28
        +15
        Why did the author not mention the electronic warfare "Vitebsk"? Or was there a task to shit everything?

        First of all! "Vitebsk is an electronic warfare system! Designed to counter detection radar and illumination-guidance
        (and probably radio command lines). Against MANPADS, the vast majority of which use thermal
        GOS ("Arrow", "Needle", "Stinger", "Redeye", etc.) or, less often, a laser guidance system ("Starburst", "RBS-90"), this system is POWERFUL !!!
        The only exceptions can be "Blowpipe" and "Javelin" MANPADS (not to be confused with the ATGM of the same name), in which radio command guidance is implemented
        or radar seeker ("Mistral"). But these systems have not been widely adopted.

        Secondly! About "shit everything": In any war or conflict - I emphasize IN ANY !! reveals not only the advantages but also the disadvantages of both strategists and tactics,
        and equipment and weapons). In the end, the winner is the one who knows how to better learn from mistakes made and better use their own advantages,
        minimizing the disadvantages of their own weapons !!! And "hurray-patriotism" in the style of "We'll throw our hats! And our hats are the very, very, most !!!" never good for anything
        didn’t bring (remember at least the 41st year) !!!

        A good article!
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 April 9 2016 15: 44
          0
          Well, to be honest, not all "hats" are the best, but here are the "hats" like Boreyev, Ash, Sarmatov Topol and Iskander ... and now also Calibrov, the best, and we can shower anyone with them! 41st, retreat ... of course it was, this is always the case, the Wehrmacht gained momentum, with powerful concentrated strikes wedged into our territory and ... and already at 43 we turned the tide and chased the enemy, and then the flag of our Motherland was raised over the capital of the enemy! they are always preparing for the past wars, today is such a war, and tomorrow it will be some kind of hybrid, or even more trenchant! So mistakes must be taken into account, but you will not take all of them into account!
          1. venik
            venik April 9 2016 21: 05
            +7
            Well, as for the "hats" like "Boreev", "Ash", Topol ", etc., yes! It is quite "at the level" of the best, and in many respects superior. But not enough of them yet!
            As for the 41st, then here is no-no-e-t! Let me disagree .... What did not know, did not study the tactics of the Wehrmacht, while he rummaged around Europe? Yes, they knew perfectly! At the headquarters exercises in 1940, Zhukov who played for the “blue” (conditional adversary — read the Wehrmacht) defeated the “reds” (read the RKK) as soon as possible, and he “acted”, just like the Wehrmacht acted a year later !!! The same concentrated strikes by mechanized columns in the “joints”. Draw conclusions from this? How - we are the very, very, "little blood" and on foreign territory .... So I had to pay! Millions of lives, by the way!
            The other thing is good - the war (or conflict, if you want) "08.08.08." Then there were a lot of problems, especially in communications and command and control. The victory was deafening, and the conclusions were drawn! 7 years have passed - and shook it! A carefully thought-out, brilliant operation in which there is a secretive, completely unexpected deployment, well-set reconnaissance (space, air, agent, deep), excellent force control, smooth interaction with allies, etc. etc.

            This is ANOTHER ARMY !!!
            But the Syrian operation deserves close "debriefing!" MOST STAINLESS !!! It is necessary to clearly understand where there are strong places, where are “narrow” or, like with Khazanov, “What is missing here?” To understand and decide!
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 April 10 2016 04: 56
              0
              I absolutely agree with you! So what is your problem? And about the 41st, do not forget, we had a pact of non-attack with Germany, Stalin either did not believe, or did not want to believe, or clearly knew, start preparing for war and the whole world will say "The Russians want to enslave the whole world" and then it is not known whether we had allies or not! The policy is this, it would start preparing by leaps and bounds, and Germany would have a real trump card for Europe, such as a preemptive strike against Germany that is preparing to attack and Europe of the USSR, and it is not known whether a second front would have been opened then or not! And so this version of a "preemptive strike" slipped through history, but on such weak notes that no one believed in it!
      3. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper April 9 2016 21: 17
        +1
        + To you.
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Why did the author not mention the electronic warfare "Vitebsk"? Or was there a task to shit everything? request


        I don’t know, the author, in my opinion, is not up to date, although EW is a bit from another opera.
        Here he writes, helicopter pilots used the "Shturm-Attack" missile system a little, etc. This is in the tradition. A worthy missile defense target is either a dangerous air defense system, or a tank, well, an infantry fighting vehicle, or a bunker, an art position. And that the Mi-24P is modified, that the Mi-24VK-M, that the Mi-28, that the Ka-52, the crew will spend UR on a worn-out pickup with a KPVshka - a toad will crush.
        As for the caliber, everything is exactly the opposite. From Helfire, the caliber 178mm (the same for the AIM-120 :) made a subsonic jet beam 8 km in 27 seconds. And the likelihood of hitting the carrier from the defeat of the BC jumped. And the excessive losses of civilians from the high-explosive or thermobaric head of the "Helov", especially from the UAVs used, force the Americans to look for workarounds to hit chiseled targets with light ammunition. On NAR 70mm, the rudder unit and LGSN get along. In 2001, we had a project with an LGSN, then a more promising one with an infraoptic one, but then the system failed - the launch of the NAR / UR from the block with burning fuel pollutes the GOS window, the range decreases. 3-5 can only be shot. So far, exclusively command S-8 through the same radio link assault-attack thermobar and light godfather for the corresponding armored vehicles.

        According to the UAV, the author is right. We were in the role of catching up and serial shock UAVs do not have. Refueling is also few. But his admiration for American tactics - peeling at the solitary barmale of UR, with which a patrol boat can be drowned - is nonsense.
        But I would like to plan bombs. Based on the FAB-250 universal with a tail and multivariate detonation. At least a satellite, even a radio + infra-optic, with wings and an accelerator. Even the mentioned KAB-500OD infra-optic up to 40km have a range, without planes and with a parachute.
    2. Vadim42
      Vadim42 April 9 2016 14: 32
      -1
      The author understands everything perfectly and a dash of reality inserts a dizu, and the tantrums in general with irony.
    3. Simple
      Simple April 9 2016 22: 59
      -1
      Posted by: Lech Ramm.
      You can not read further.
      Is there a political instructor who can write something worthwhile about military equipment?
      Moreover, the current political officer (without a base in the shower)!
      His goal is to prepare meat as much as possible and in any way
    4. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER April 10 2016 15: 41
      +2
      And since when did the TU-22MZ become a strategist? Does the author know that it is not provided for refueling in the air? And fig (sorry for being rude) refueling on the Syrian theater? And about the drone drones - what successful operations were carried out with the help of drone drones (offensive, defensive) the list in the studio! Article is nonsense! The author is learning the mate part! I snooped from different sources, supplemented with delirium and voila: the article is ready! Wildly minus the author!
  2. forester
    forester April 9 2016 06: 55
    +6
    And what is the example of Iraq using hundreds of tons of bombs? You can use millions of tons and have a weak result - the main thing is not quantity but efficiency
    1. vital1505
      vital1505 April 12 2016 13: 32
      0
      The author meant that the Iraqi army uses mainly the WTO and we still throw cast iron
  3. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 9 2016 07: 05
    +16
    There is a run-in of people and equipment. The experience gained is analyzed. The identified deficiencies are corrected, but given the current situation in the world, a lack of time is possible.
    Although, however, I hope that the "hot" phase will not come.
  4. poma
    poma April 9 2016 07: 06
    +6
    The element of objectivity in the article pleases.
    Real problems are noted. The question remains - what is being done to smooth out the situation where our R&D is in the unmanned component area, where are the ammunition production capacities.
    Results: an advertising campaign of our weapons was carried out, the ability to defeat an enemy who did not have air defense was demonstrated, the self-awareness of Russian citizens and the combat potential of the army were significantly raised. The amount of work ahead is significant.

    The article is good, rare in its objectivity.
    1. vital1505
      vital1505 April 12 2016 13: 39
      0
      I completely agree, there are few such articles on the site, they mainly praise everything and all of ours and shit on them, there is no objectivity.
  5. Pre-cat
    Pre-cat April 9 2016 07: 38
    +7
    Unguided rockets (and side cannons) are quite effective when operating on vehicles moving in columns and on fortified positions. Again, the density of fire when firing NAR is several times higher. And this is very important when shelling fortifications. In addition, unlike smart missiles, they do not react to any interference. And the means of electronic warfare are being improved not only in our country. So, it's too early to write off the NARs.
    1. Ivanbesmert
      Ivanbesmert April 11 2016 22: 17
      0
      What kind of people put downsides. The author is handsome, apart from some nuances, it is very objectively evaluated. And about "Hephaestus" and about the WTO. And everything is right about the accuracy. Who does not believe, I advise you to see the reports of Anna News. Where they showed the work of our spotters from the ground at the positions. So the bombs flew over, went 30 meters from the buildings (targets), here you are and "hefest". And all this was recorded by the gunners and verbatim confirmed. Regarding the defeat at 30 m, the OFAB250-270 bomb (the main bomb of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria) has only 94 kg of explosives, for guaranteed destruction of a target such as a building you need an almost direct hit
      1. vital1505
        vital1505 April 12 2016 13: 45
        0
        I think hephaestus svp24 in a dead end way too many factors affect accuracy, natural dispersion, for example, or the farther from the target the bomb is dropped, the more miss ... there isn’t such a thing.
  6. valent45
    valent45 April 9 2016 08: 21
    +3
    It is good that there is an opportunity to test weapons in real conditions.
    Of course, something will have to be finalized, but this would not have been revealed only in the conditions of the exercises.
    We will continue and improve.
  7. tchoni
    tchoni April 9 2016 09: 29
    +15
    Nice to read a critical article. Lately, hurray-patriotism has been going through the roof ... Even if I don't agree with everything in this article, and the author dramatizes the situation a little (for example, with the same refuelers (why would they, if all of Syria 1000 km from side to side, and then there will be no air battles no) or the strict economy of guided weapons (economical or - would not throw dozens of "calibers")) But, nevertheless, the value of such an article is that it does not allow one to rest on what has been achieved and forces one to critically reflect on the situation ... And this is important for further development.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 9 2016 09: 32
    +6
    Everything is pretty well described in the article. I put "+" in the article. The presence of attack UAVs would increase the effectiveness of combat operations by 30 percent. And the fact that it is not very good with tankers is true. Ilyushin 76 cannot fly far and can patrol for a long time at a distance from the airfield. Il-96-400 is a vehicle of a different class and with a different range. It amazes me why refuellers based on the Il-86/96 were not made under the USSR?
  9. demo
    demo April 9 2016 10: 26
    +2
    But if each of them were correctable, for example, KAB-500S, then even such a load would make the Tu-22M3 significantly more dangerous for high-profile arena targets: terrorist oil refineries, military bases and potential enemy airfields.

    It sounds interesting: the terrorist refineries.
    And to deliver an Iskander to a distance of 350-400 km from the target and there is no factory or terrorists.
    And flying for thousands of miles is not hell.
    Actually loading in Mozdok. and flying to bomb in Syria is something.
    It’s clear that it’s not from a good life.
    But this alignment is not correct.

    Oil refinery - what is it?
    Right.
    Equipment and oil with oil products.
    Light oil products and after 12 hours there will be a heap of molten metal.
    So incendiary ammunition is needed that cannot be put out, such as napalm.
    At the same time, the barmalei will evaporate.

    And then Tu 22M3 to drive for such purposes.
  10. varov14
    varov14 April 9 2016 11: 38
    +7
    Strange, some commentators see the glass half empty, others half full, but wherever you throw, there is half a glass. It just needs to be filled, it seems that the author writes about this, well, the drones and I don’t dare not underestimate why you shouldn’t sprinkle ashes on your head, but simply strain up and do the rest. Checked, tested, eliminate deficiencies.
  11. iouris
    iouris April 9 2016 12: 03
    +1
    As usual: we were preparing for one war, but got ten completely different ones. I can’t say anything about the effectiveness of the Aerospace Forces, but it’s clear that neither the SVP-24 nor the carpet bombing is capable of solving many combat missions to support the advancing infantry. The WTO will always be expensive. Well, the T-90 is too expensive compared to the T-72. We must talk not about price, but about efficiency. And he is preparing for that war "in the soft underbelly", which is most likely inevitable.
  12. Holsten
    Holsten April 9 2016 12: 08
    0
    Now, after taking into account the experience of the videoconferencing system in Syria, we can say to Western critics: All your claims have been carefully studied, your shortcomings have been eliminated - would you like to try it?
  13. lotar
    lotar April 9 2016 12: 15
    +1
    Our VKS tested many tactical schemes of operation practically in combat conditions, some of them were unsuccessful in their effectiveness, others were the other way around. In my opinion, this is an ideal field for working out all possible forms of interaction with the enemy, with allies, and of course with our special forces. that some saw certain shortcomings in the operation of the videoconferencing, it only says that they do not see on purpose, or because of the lack of qualification of the whole picture as a whole. In addition, it served as an ideal testing ground the latest types of weapons, as well as tests taking into account some modifications of the old types of weapons. Among other things, it was an ideal advertising platform for our equipment. The figure in 17 billion dollars in orders says something.
  14. hrapon
    hrapon April 9 2016 12: 15
    +5
    Normal working analysis.
  15. 0255
    0255 April 9 2016 13: 28
    +7
    Urya-patriots again minus objective analysis wassat
  16. Torins
    Torins April 9 2016 16: 54
    +1
    Something experts wrote earlier that unguided bombs with new sighting systems are not much inferior to corrected ones in terms of accuracy. And here, in this article they write that if you have few modern WTOs then you can’t do anything ... Who should I believe?
    1. iouris
      iouris April 10 2016 01: 09
      +1
      During the war everyone lies. However, the oil painting: Palmyra is taken, there is an advance in the direction of Raqqa.
      In the big war, the WTO must be used very prudently.
  17. bloh1
    bloh1 April 9 2016 18: 06
    -4
    As accurate as possible
    I fell steel, like this
    1. iouris
      iouris April 10 2016 01: 02
      0
      Not quite on the topic. These are helicopters.
      If I understand correctly, the range to the target is about 1,200 m. I wonder why guns and NURs are not used for stationary objects and manpower? For the use of ATGMs, the launch range could be much higher. It seems that tracking the target is in manual mode. It is not good. The first object, it seems, continued to move (went to die).
      1. iouris
        iouris April 10 2016 01: 43
        0
        By the way, to reduce the time spent in fire contact with the enemy, a multi-channel anti-tank missile control system is needed. I think the successes of computer technology make it possible to implement such a method. The complex should choose, distribute (if in a group), capture and accompany the most priority goals. The operator only has to confirm.
    2. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer April 10 2016 02: 05
      0
      i'mаd stаscrap
      Epileptic?
      And fix on O, and fall wherever you want. Or do you want to mean your extreme degree of stupid "delight" in "Padonkaff" language? "Then you are not here." Another "sniper pilot, guidance systems specialist", got it already!
  18. Signaller
    Signaller April 9 2016 18: 52
    +2
    The article, the stump is clear, I read in print. That's why I was minus half a year ago ???? Pushed these
    minuses for writing that TU 22- do not fly fully loaded ..... And like 10-12 bombs. So the truth is this article. They CANNOT, and there is no equipment ... We still have to develop and develop our army, as we too, our tolerance and knowledge. And then immediately minus if you didn’t like it. And if you think about it .........
  19. max702
    max702 April 9 2016 21: 12
    -1
    I’ll tell you right away from the article ... And pretty .. I understand that the author regarded success as a matter of course, but failure and roughness inflated the question with all his might For what? Surely, of our own free will, or did the fee work out .. So we don’t have a kit for modifying cast iron into smart bombs? Well, so we went the other way, and it seems that there are no complaints regarding the effectiveness! If everything is so bad and the complexes are not able to provide the necessary accuracy, then let me, but where are the comrades using these same sets for cast iron? Maybe the opposite? Cast irons equipped with super duper kits do not fall into the target! WE are looking at the result! And it’s practically zero for comrades with a different approach .. That's with all the claims to our technology that the author voiced .. What they did in Syria, to put it mildly, amazing .. Not everything is smooth .. But so this is a reality, not a simulation! First of all, the logistics and the work of support services surprised me, we always knew how to beat the muzzle better than anyone! But to feed, to shoe, to dress, and to provide with everything necessary, there has always been an eternal misfortune .. Since this component has been pulled up, I will say it right WELL!
    1. Ivanbesmert
      Ivanbesmert April 11 2016 22: 19
      0
      What kind of people put downsides. The author is handsome, apart from some nuances, it is very objectively evaluated. And about "Hephaestus" and about the WTO. And everything is right about the accuracy. Who does not believe, I advise you to see the reports of Anna News. Where they showed the work of our spotters from the ground at the positions. So the bombs flew over, went 30 meters from the buildings (targets), here you are and "hefest". And all this was recorded by the gunners and verbatim confirmed. Regarding the defeat at 30 m, the OFAB250-270 bomb (the main bomb of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria) has only 94 kg of explosives, for guaranteed destruction of a target such as a building you need an almost direct hit
    2. Ivanbesmert
      Ivanbesmert April 11 2016 22: 22
      0
      There is no success because they don’t want to specifically defeat the igles. They only hold them back in the right directions, victory is beneficial for them. By the way, x beats are much more accurate, I advise you to look at the channel of their MO, on which the video of the beats is more often laid out.
  20. cdrt
    cdrt April 9 2016 21: 16
    +2
    Good article.
    It's like that.
    And we do not buy an analogue of JDAM and JSOW. Although to make them and to establish mass production is a simple task.
  21. sergey4920
    sergey4920 April 10 2016 06: 07
    0
    Quote: max702
    I’ll tell you right away from the article ... And pretty .. I understand that the author regarded success as a matter of course, but failure and roughness inflated the question with all his might For what? Surely, of our own free will, or did the fee work out .. So we don’t have a kit for modifying cast iron into smart bombs? Well, so we went the other way, and it seems that there are no complaints regarding the effectiveness! If everything is so bad and the complexes are not able to provide the necessary accuracy, then let me, but where are the comrades using these same sets for cast iron? Maybe the opposite? Cast irons equipped with super duper kits do not fall into the target! WE are looking at the result! And it’s practically zero for comrades with a different approach .. That's with all the claims to our technology that the author voiced .. What they did in Syria, to put it mildly, amazing .. Not everything is smooth .. But so this is a reality, not a simulation! First of all, the logistics and the work of support services surprised me, we always knew how to beat the muzzle better than anyone! But to feed, to shoe, to dress, and to provide with everything necessary, there has always been an eternal misfortune .. Since this component has been pulled up, I will say it right WELL!
    - I AGREE!
    I just "boggle" from these "super analysts", it's easier to say - couch experts ... especially about the reasoning: "why, where, why, where, how much ... there is." We wrote this "analytics" ..
  22. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 10 2016 15: 25
    +1
    Our fighters, front-line bombers and attack aircraft, that during the flight from Russia to Syria last fall, that during the withdrawal of troops this spring, they did not refuel in the air, limiting themselves only to outboard fuel tanks.


    The author does not seem to be friends with his head. Only full refueling will be used when PTB can be dispensed with, or better yet, internal refueling.

    Actually, the apologists for light fighters offer to calculate how much additional refueling tanks will cost to ensure their work.
  23. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander April 10 2016 23: 05
    0
    As a result of the operation in Syria, it became clear that Russia is in arsenal in a DEEP AND SYSTEM lag even from the second-rate countries such as Turkey ... And some videos with supposedly accurate target defeat do not brighten up the picture of the depressing state of affairs ... Such is the reality ...
  24. Ivanbesmert
    Ivanbesmert April 11 2016 22: 18
    0
    What kind of people put downsides. The author is handsome, apart from some nuances, it is very objectively evaluated. And about "Hephaestus" and about the WTO. And everything is right about accuracy. Who does not believe, I advise you to see the reports of Anna News. Where they showed the work of our spotters from the ground at the positions. So the bombs flew over, went 30 meters from the buildings (targets), here you are and "hefest". And all this was recorded by the gunners and literally confirmed. Regarding the defeat at 30 m, the OFAB250-270 bomb (the main bomb of the VKS in Syria) has only 94 kg of explosives, for guaranteed destruction of a target such as a building, an almost direct hit is needed.
  25. vital1505
    vital1505 April 12 2016 13: 55
    0
    The problem can be solved only by suspended sighting containers or the total equipping of all aircraft of built-in all-aspect sighting systems + the use of UAB with laser guidance is the cheapest and most effective because only UAB with lgsn can be used on moving vehicles and armored vehicles, the whole world already uses these systems and we still think, we are looking for our own way "hefest svp24" although everything was invented and has been working since the 70s
  26. HELIX
    HELIX 18 June 2016 16: 16
    0
    Good article - great plane!