Armistice announced in Nagorno-Karabakh during negotiations as part of the OSCE Minsk Group

Armenian edition hetq.am reports that it was possible to reach an agreement on a cease-fire in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. The report says that a lull is noted along the entire front line. Armenian journalists talk about the fact that this is connected with the negotiations that began in 12: 00 in local time.

This is a negotiation process that started today in the Austrian capital (Vienna). Representatives of the OSCE Minsk Group participate in the negotiations to resolve the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh. In addition to Armenia and Azerbaijan, this group on a permanent basis includes such countries as Belarus, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Germany and Turkey. The co-chairs in the OSCE Minsk Group on the settlement of the conflict in the unrecognized NKR are Russia, the USA and France.

Representatives of the leadership of the countries belonging to the Minsk Group call on Baku and Yerevan to abandon the escalation of the conflict, withdraw military equipment from the line of contact and move on to solving complex tasks at the negotiating table.

Against this background, from Stepanakert (the NKR administrative center) there are reports that the local authorities consider Russia to be the main mediator between Yerevan and Baku, which is really capable of influencing the parties and stopping the bloodshed. In addition, it became known that the authorities of the unrecognized republic declared their non-acceptance of the autonomous status within Azerbaijan. The main demand of the NKR is recognition of the independence of the republic and guarantees from Baku on the non-resumption of hostilities.

Comments

[NAV-STAR]

Oh, someone wants to start a massacre in the post-Soviet space, to pit everyone against everyone. BUT FUCK to friends, we will get out of these troubles of the United, Cohesive and with the Idea of ​​Globalization in RUSSIAN.

[Pravdarm]

Representatives of the leadership of countries belonging to the Minsk Group urge Baku and Yerevan

Minsk group again

consider Russia the main mediator between Yerevan and Baku

And again, Russia is the main mediator. Collect all the bumps.
Once again, Putin is to blame!
So for the sake of this, too, this USA is muddy.
I hope Putin will do it skillfully and turn this party in our direction.
This would be an example for urkaina and the whole world in the Donbass.

[cniza]

Quote: NAV-STAR

Oh, someone wants to start a massacre in the post-Soviet space, to pit everyone against everyone. BUT FUCK to friends, we will get out of these troubles of the United, Cohesive and with the Idea of ​​Globalization in RUSSIAN.

It is clear to anyone that striped ears along with the Turkish crescent are not much hidden.

[vovanpain]

When, quite recently, Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 already passed, there was no sense in these Minsk, and there would be no sense in these negotiations, and Russia would always be extreme.

[Vadim237]

It will be Minsk 2.3

[Qyomur]

We have this Minsk sooooo long ago)

[kashtak]

Quote: NAV-STAR

we will get out of these troubles of the United, Cohesive and with the Idea of ​​Globalization in RUSSIAN.

IMHO, the keywords are Unified, Cohesive, and who offers the final version of the break-off of lovers of local conflicts on foreign territory is no longer important. in Russian or in Kazakh, Armenian what difference would only work. peace to you.

[garnik64]

The armistice will not give anything. It's just a test by force or an argument for concessions from the Armenian side. The maximum that Armenia will go for is the exchange of 5 "occupied" territories for the recognition of Artsakh.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: garnik64

The armistice will not give anything. It's just a test by force or an argument for concessions from the Armenian side. The maximum that Armenia will go for is the exchange of 5 "occupied" territories for the recognition of Artsakh.

Perhaps this will give Armenia time to purchase weapons from the Russian Federation?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Perhaps this will give Armenia time to purchase weapons from the Russian Federation?

purchase)))) Do not tell))

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Yeraz

purchase)))) Do not tell))

Well, the loan seems to have been agreed on 1 lard. just did not have time.

[Bakht]

What a progress !!! Nobody wanted to hear about it a week ago! I heartily congratulate you.

PS Still quotes would be removed - there would be no price.

[Pvi1206]

The parties to the conflict put forward mutually unacceptable demands to each other.
Therefore, negotiations cannot lead to peace.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pvi1206

The parties to the conflict put forward mutually unacceptable demands to each other.

The parties are advancing, occupying ever new territories
Defeated Azerbaijan and Independent Karabakh: Reckoning for Treachery
The defense army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic has reached new frontiers, pursuing the retreating Azerbaijan ..

AZERBAIJANI ARMED FORCES
# News @ military_az

General Yashar Aydemirov: “The Azerbaijani army is moving forward”

[cniza]

Quote: garnik64

The armistice will not give anything. It's just a test by force or an argument for concessions from the Armenian side. The maximum that Armenia will go for is the exchange of 5 "occupied" territories for the recognition of Artsakh.

Any war sooner or later ends at the negotiating table - it’s better to be at the table right away than blood.

[Amurets]

Quote: Pvi1206

The parties to the conflict put forward mutually unacceptable demands to each other.
Therefore, negotiations cannot lead to peace.

Right! It won't be otherwise. Only through negotiations and mutual concessions the parties will come to a common denominator. And if you immediately give up, then there is nothing to agree on, there will simply be an ultimatum. They will look for a compromise. As one little girl said: “Neither me, neither you and everyone is unhappy. "

[kashtak]

Quote: Amurets

: "Neither me, nor you, and everyone is unhappy."

the most curious thing is that this option is most often fair.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Pvi1206

Therefore, negotiations cannot lead to peace.

in freeze. “Minsk” sounds like a failure.

[Alexander 3]

And what does Europe and America have to do with the resolution of this conflict? They want to start a global war again? How are these ..... Russia, who can be the third party in resolving this conflict and not ...... Everyone else is only fanning Fire.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Alexander 3

And what does Europe and America have to do with resolving this conflict?

such litigations are resolved under third party warranties)

Quote: Alexander 3

Again want a global war?

well, nothing to do with war.

Quote: Alexander 3

Russia, that’s who can be the 3rd party in resolving this conflict and not ..

well, I do not. Guarantees must be collective. Why the hell will Russia alone then listen to the whining from both sides? Wipe off and justify yourself before giggling world communitywashing my hands?

[salad]

And again, some sort of Minsk group! what's in Minsk a center for conflict settlement in the post-soviet space?

[Pinkie F.]

The main requirement of the NKR is recognition of the independence of the republic

And from whom do they demand recognition?
However, it doesn’t matter. Impossible.

[iliya87]

And what do you minus the guy? Is he not right? If the EU and the USA recognize NKR independence, then how is it with Ossetia? With Crimea? Yes, with the same Barcelona for example? They will never do it, nonsense. Because independence is only the first step, in the case of the NKR, they will enter Armenia, Crimea will separate from Russia, Barcelona will separate, France has disputed islands, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of such territorial problems, of such an approach with the separation of the USA and the EU so that mom do not cry. As referendums begin to be held everywhere, this ass will be.

[Yeraz]

Nuss if this is true, then this is another freeze. Azerbaijan will strengthen in the newly vacated positions and will wait for the next defrost.

[Pirogov]

If the OSCE got in there, the war will last forever, tomorrow they will support Armenia after tomorrow Azerbaijan And so in a day.

[kashtak]

Quote: Pirogov

If the OSCE got in there, the war will last forever,

Armenia is a member of the CSTO. I hope this organization will have its say in the negotiations. whole organization. not only good wishes.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: kashtak

Armenia is a member of the CSTO. I hope this organization will have its say in the negotiations

But what will the CSTO do in the negotiations? What side is she talking to?

[kashtak]

Quote: Pinky F.

But what will the CSTO do in the negotiations? What side is she talking to?

I hereby explain that the CSTO is a collective security treaty organization. we are talking about a participating country. safety is when they don't shoot. an armed conflict with one of the countries of the treaty, a challenge to the entire treaty. the same applies to the CIS, which includes both Armenia and Azerbaijan. they can be legitimate intermediaries. and only with their consent to the PACE or OSCE. participation in the treaty imposes certain obligations both on the countries participating in the conflict and on all countries included in the organization without exception. I hope this is clear? lit a chamomile, want / don't want to. subscribed, follow. and then solid "boobies".

[kashtak]

Quote: Pinky F.

The question is - why did the CSTO, sorry, did not intervene then?

good question! really would like to know the answer. NKR is not a separate rather disputed territory. there are several of these in the post-Soviet space. and where is the effective reaction of the CIS, CSTO? maybe that's why these conflicts continue? but better late than never.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: kashtak

I hereby explain

But why did the CSTO somehow not really intervene in the 1992-94 war?
Although in 1992. Armenia became a member of the CSTO, and AZ only in 1993.

Quote: kashtak

I hope this is clear?

or

Quote: kashtak

"boobs boobs".

?

[kashtak]

see above with respect.

[79807420129]

Quote: kashtak

Quote: Pirogov

If the OSCE got in there, the war will last forever,

Armenia is a member of the CSTO. I hope this organization will have its say in the negotiations. whole organization. not only good wishes.

So Armenia is a member of the CSTO, not a NKR colleague, these are two different things.

[kashtak]

Quote: 79807420129

So Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, not a NKR colleague, these are two different things.

are they different? but even if there is still the CIS.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: kashtak

but even if there is still the CIS.

and in the CIS, an unrecognized republic is included?

[kashtak]

Quote: Pinky F.

and in the CIS, an unrecognized republic is included?

but Armenia and Azerbaijan are included.

[79807420129]

Quote: kashtak

are they? but even if there is still the CIS

A colleague, Armenia is a member of the CSTO and the CIS, Azerbaijan is a member of the CIS and he was a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization in 1999, but NKR is not a member of the CSTO or the CIS, and understand NKR is not part of Armenia, it is not a recognized republic and is considered a UN the territory of Azerbaijan, as if your colleague was not offended by you, look at the Donbass exactly the same situation, the unrecognized republics of Lugansk and Donetsk formally form part of Ukraine, but do not want to live according to dill laws, but Ukraine is not a member of either the CSTO or the CIS only international laws, and the USA rules there, if Azerbaijan hits Armenia, then the CSTO treaty will come into force and Russia will have to enter, which I really wouldn’t really want to honestly say, so would you have negotiations between you at the table or, in extreme cases, boxing They understood the ring, and not on the battlefield, now Russia has nothing more to do with a colleague than to take you away. Sorry if you offended a colleague, but understand correctly, I’m neutral in your conflict, the football game gets too bloody Sya, it is rather necessary to stop it. Regards.

[kashtak]

Quote: 79807420129

if Azerbaijan hits Armenia, then the CSTO treaty will come into force and Russia will have to enter into it, which I really would not like

I completely agree I really would not like to talk about this (see box). still talk about what to enter in this case should not one Russia but the entire CIS. excuse me for being straightforward, but there are other republics in the CIS. and not after but before. before direct fights between Armenia and Azerbaijan begin. they themselves cannot sit at the negotiating table or do not want to. therefore, in order not to have to enter the military, diplomats should say their word. CIS diplomats. in extreme cases, to give boxing gloves to Armenians and Azerbaijanis. otherwise, the ball will be ruled by the United States or the OSCE. so they will direct.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Pirogov

If the OSCE got in there

it "fit" in 1994. actually.

[JonnyT]

timeout - soon the next bloody round

[MIKHAN]

OSCE Minsk Group

If these are refueled there, then for a long time ...

[Bakht]

Spontaneous burst of activity. I don’t immediately believe in a truce, for the simple reason that Armenians need to regain lost ground. The defense line is still broken.
A couple of conclusions in hot pursuit. So far, only tentatively, because there are no official data. And the most important conclusion is that several myths are debunked at once.

Myth 1. The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is frozen. For the nth number of years. Is not.
Myth 2. The NKR army is the strongest in the post-Soviet space. All Armenian sites trumpeted this. Is not.
Myth 3. The Azerbaijani army will march to Shushi and beyond. Will not reach.
Myth 4. The occupied 6 districts are a guarantee of bargaining. Are not. All intermediaries demand their unconditional transfer to Azerbaijan.
Myth 5. The occupied regions are the "security belt" of the NKR. They are not. On the contrary. They are the front line and can flare up again at any moment.
Myth 6. Armenia is in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and therefore Azerbaijan will not risk it. CSTO is not a guarantor of the NKR. And nothing will help her.
Myth 7. There was a lot of chatter that these were Erdogan's ears. The Russian Foreign Minister said that Turkey had nothing to do with this aggravation (although Erdogan, of course, is a donkey and his ears are long. But not in this case). Conspirologists bite their elbows.

Conclusion. The most correct approach, oddly enough, was shown by the US State Department. "The Karabakh conflict should be resolved peacefully on the basis of Security Council resolutions, adhering to the territorial integrity of the state and the right of nations to self-determination." It only seems impossible at first glance. But in reality, this is the only true path. And it is quite feasible.

[garnik64]

At 2: Turkish special forces stormed, and the guys were on defense. One of the helicopters was shot down by a 19-year-old boy from an RPG, but I don’t confuse. 4: Regions other than Kelbajar and Kubatly can be transferred for recognition of Artsakh and this will be fair.

[Bakht]

At 2. Unconfirmed legends. There were no Turkish special forces in Azerbaijan. Not in the first war, nor now. There were instructors at the end of the first war. But not special forces.
At 4. The Gubatly district has not been discussed before. The conversation was about the controversy of Lachin and part of Kelbajar. Gubatly you came up with now. But ... you are smarter than it sounds. No kidding

[Cartalon]

Um, since the current aggravation is caused by the need to distract the Iserbardjan from counting Aliyev’s billions, it’s unlikely that this right path

[Awaz]

here it must be added that the Armenians are the oldest people in the world who lived in these territories for thousands of years. The Ottomans and other Turks sympathizing with them always cruelly treated the Armenians. And not only with them. Armenians have a huge diaspora both in Europe and in the USA, and this also contributes to the fact that their interests are quite reasonably taken into account by European and American politicians. Not so simple . Azerbaijanis are not a single people, This is a collection of different tribes, some of which are really still wild. Even if they accidentally live in the territory on which there is oil, and they earn not bad money on this, but in the world nobody knows much about them and they are not particularly interesting to anyone. Unless you assume that they can make some kind of a trick for the same Russia.
and therefore, even poorer and smaller Armenia, can feel quite at ease in this war, and most likely, even if it is possible to agree somehow without weapons, Armenia will benefit from any.
The Armenians control the disputed territory and they won’t give it away for anyone, and no one will allow it. Azerbaijani citizens no longer live in this territory. And those who live do not want to live under control of Baku.
and the statements of the State Department are a dummy. There are two mutually exclusive expressions in one sentence: "territorial integrity and the rights of nations to self-determination" This is a commonplace phrase. she does not solve anything and does not give an understanding of the way out of the situation

[Bakht]

One sentence contains two mutually exclusive expressions: "territorial integrity and the right of nations to self-determination"

You need to learn. These requirements form the basis of UN principles. And they may well exist together. But in order to combine them, it was necessary to study well at school.

[el-nino]

Minsk Group, ...
Did you decide everything in Donbas?
Now will they mock the Armenians?

[MIKHAN]

Quote: el-nino

Minsk Group, ...
Did you decide everything in Donbas?
Now will they mock the Armenians?

Turks in the OSCE will certainly include .... And it will begin!

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: el-nino

Did you decide everything in Donbas?

What does the Donbass have to do with it? The OSCE Minsk Group was established in 1994. to resolve it is NK conflict. What the hell is Donbass for her?

Quote: MIKHAN

Turks in the OSCE will certainly include .... And it will begin!

Vitalik, learn the materiel. Turks and so in MG

[Pinkie F.]

haha, well and minus little to explain? What's wrong smart guys?

Quote: Pinky F.

What does the Donbass have to do with it?

or

Quote: Pinky F.

Turks and so in MG

?

[black]

I recalled an anecdote from Soviet times. Weightlifting competition. An Azerbaijani approaches the chief judge. Holds out a wad of money. "Dear, let us have second place, third place, fourth place, fifth place. But so that the Armenians are lower!"

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: black

An Azerbaijanian approaches the chief judge.

Georgian. There was a Georgian in a Soviet joke.

[Awaz]

real Caucasian peoples are Georgians and Armenians. These are peoples with their ancient roots, ancient history and all that. The rest are overwhelmingly motley tribes, some of which still have not come from the Middle Ages. I want to offend anyone, but it’s something like that. Therefore, the joke is really about Armenians and Georgians.

[garnik64]

Quote: Bakht

What a progress !!! Nobody wanted to hear about it a week ago! I heartily congratulate you.

PS Still quotes would be removed - there would be no price.

So you do not want the recognition of the Arch.

[Bakht]

And who said that we recognize him? The progress lies in the fact that you agree to give up 5 districts. I remember a couple of days ago they said something completely different "not an inch of our native land", "we will capture Gandzak". And something else.

The recognition of the NKR is not on the agenda. Read the documents carefully. There is a question of determining the status of NKR. So we do not change our position.

[gippernano]

Quote: NAV-STAR

unleash the slaughter

I remember when I was the first in the 90th conflict to talk with one veteran on this subject, and he then said - that they don’t fight like that !!!,