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"Flying" T-90CA and T-72 "Aslan" - strike force of Azerbaijan

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"Flying" T-90CA and T-72 "Aslan" - strike force of Azerbaijan



Currently, the basis of the shock power of the Azerbaijani ground forces are modernized Tanks T-72 and recently acquired in Russia T-90CA, which, according to a number of characteristics, are currently the best versions of the "nineties", delivered abroad.
The Azerbaijani T-72A, T-72М1 tanks, modified with the help of Israeli specialists, received the designation "Aslan" ("Lion"). This upgrade option is largely close to the Georgian T-72 SIM1. The main difference from the T-72A and T-72М1 was a significant improvement in sighting systems. In particular, thermal imagers have appeared, thanks to which the gunner and commander of the vehicle were able to effectively conduct combat operations at night.







The digital ballistic computer, in addition to the range to the target, such as ammunition and other characteristics, also began to take into account the wind sensor data, as a result, the accuracy of firing on the move increased.

Mechanic-drivers of tanks also received their thermal imaging devices for driving in night and low light conditions.
Instead of the old Soviet radio stations, NATO standard communications were mounted. A "friend-foe" sensor GPS navigation system was installed.

However, despite the impressive list of innovations, according to military experts, the modernized “Lev” did not meet modern requirements in a number of characteristics. For example, an insufficient level of security - the tank is equipped with a first-generation dynamic protection, which is completely ineffective against modern tandem cumulative ammunition and absolutely powerless against sabot projectiles. As the power plant, the old 780 hp engine remained, which does not provide acceptable mobility characteristics.

As a result, disillusioned with Aslan, the Azerbaijani armed forces decided to purchase a large batch of modern Russian T-90CA tanks, which began to arrive in June 2013. In total, about a hundred of these combat vehicles were received.







These tanks have modern fire control systems with thermal imagers. To defeat enemy tanks at a distance of 5 km, it is possible to use guided missiles launched through the barrel. According to some information, target tracking machines are installed on the tanks, which is absent on Russian T-90А.

Azerbaijan, in fact, became the first foreign state, whose army massively purchased for its tanks optoelectronic suppression complexes of high-precision weapons, again in a more advanced version than are available in the Russian army.

Significantly facilitates the work of the crews T-90CA in hot climatic conditions, the presence of air conditioning. This will significantly improve crew living conditions. Unfortunately, tanks for the Russian army are not equipped with such air conditioners.

According to military experts, the Azerbaijani modernized T-72 and T-90CA substantially outperform the tanks, which are not only in the Armenian army, but also in service with the Russian military base deployed in this region.
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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 9 2016 06: 28
    12
    According to military experts, the Azerbaijani modernized T-72 and T-90CA substantially outperform the tanks, which are not only in the Armenian army, but also in service with the Russian military base deployed in this region.

    Sure! Who would doubt that?! As the saying goes, "Every sandpiper praises his swamps"bully
    Ukrainian Oplot also won ten out of ten battles against the T-90. Virtual, it is true, but does the "Hramadyans" care ?! good
    1. Grbear
      Grbear April 9 2016 07: 26
      -2
      Quote: Wiruz
      According to military experts, the Azerbaijani modernized T-72 and T-90CA substantially outperform the tanks, which are not only in the Armenian army, but also in service with the Russian military base deployed in this region.

      Sure! Who would doubt that?! As the saying goes, "Every sandpiper praises his swamps"bully
      Ukrainian Oplot also won ten out of ten battles against the T-90. Virtual, it is true, but does the "Hramadyans" care ?! good


      It’s actually strange to read an article on Russian modernization resource Russian tanks by the country is not entirely friendly, and even in the context - "... superior to tanks that are available not only in the Armenian army, but also consisting of weapons deployed in this region Russian military base."
      Who is the most dissonance?
      1. Volga Cossack
        Volga Cossack April 9 2016 07: 34
        +7
        a potential enemy needs to be known in person ....... and this all goes to that.
        1. zinvor
          zinvor April 9 2016 07: 49
          12
          Is Azerbaijan an Enemy for Belarus? Rather, a friend, even a very close one, judging by the statements of your president.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas April 9 2016 13: 26
            +6
            Quote: zinvor
            Is Azerbaijan an Enemy for Belarus?

            And suddenly, they will look for oil in the Belorussian Sea. wink
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      3. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 April 9 2016 07: 42
        +9
        It’s actually strange to read an article on a Russian resource on the modernization of Russian tanks by a country that’s not entirely friendly,

        Well, as I understand from the article, Russia and made this modernization
        Azerbaijani armed forces decided to acquire a large batch of modern Russian T-90CA tanks, which began to arrive in June 2013. In total, about a hundred of these combat vehicles were received.
        These tanks have modern fire control systems with thermal imagers. To defeat enemy tanks at a distance of 5 km, it is possible to use guided missiles launched through the barrel. According to some information, target tracking machines are installed on the tanks, which is absent on Russian T-90А.

        As they say, any whim for your money.
        Well, something like that, according to the residual principle.
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 9 2016 07: 44
        +2
        Quote: GrBear
        it is strange to read an article on a Russian resource on the modernization of Russian tanks by a country that is not entirely friendly, and even in the context of

        In every context (the writer's mouth) you will not throw a scarf.
        Yes, and the word "flying" - this figurative name refers to the T-80, used "for force".
        And that the T-90s going for export is a more advanced and expensive upgrade than the T-72B3 is not news. In Russia, bet on Armata.
        But Azerbaijan’s cars do not exceed the Armenian ones by an order of magnitude, given that installing the thermal imager in place of the old nightlight, in general, is an elementary thing and the Armenians are also on the alert.
      5. donavi49
        donavi49 April 9 2016 08: 32
        +8
        The 35 Armenians have relatively new T-72Bs with BTRZ, the rest are B / A old, with the same contact, but without a thermal imager and without modernization in general.

        On the base there is also a T-72Б with the same DZ and without TPV, as well as possibly an BA (Sample 89), but in recent years they could be replaced without noise by a T-72Б3 with an already normal LMS.

        Azerbaijanis paid and received the most advanced versions of the T-90 and BMP-3M.
      6. lelikas
        lelikas April 9 2016 13: 23
        +6
        Quote: GrBear
        Who is the most dissonance?

        Well, why, this article does not fit into the "VO" format -? Or is it more interesting to read how many tires were burned in Kiev today?
        Attitude to the side of the conflict does not change the availability of our equipment. I can hide on horse meat - go to UVZ order for 100 - 200 tanks from Azerbaijan - will be completed on time and with joy, as well as for Armenia.
        I am always "happy" with the topic of kondeev - they are not equipped, they say, so our Defense Ministry does not order them - this is how it should be written.
      7. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 9 2016 14: 12
        0
        Quote: GrBear
        It’s actually strange to read an article on a Russian resource on the modernization of Russian tanks by a country that’s not entirely friendly

        What's so strange? Everyone develops his own aircraft as he wants. Any whim for your money. It is probably better to buy from us than in China or Ukraine.
        Another thing is that there are questions to our Ministry of Defense regarding modernization. It’s possible to install an air conditioning.
        By the way, the term friendly concept is somewhat vague. If you do not like a person, this does not mean that he is bad. And some maniac can be very friendly
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K April 9 2016 21: 48
          -1
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Oh, the air conditioner can be installed.

          I served on tanks in the middle zone of the USSR. In our climate, nobody needs air conditioning for free. If I sweated later, it was only from the enormous tension in the tank. Another thing in Asian countries. He is needed there.
    2. Hon
      Hon April 9 2016 12: 12
      0
      This is not their swamp, then Russian-made tanks, and recently received, plus improvements from foreigners.
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  3. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 April 9 2016 08: 03
    12
    Modernization is good, great even. But now the war is 08,08,08. she showed that she’s “not feed like a horse” or paraphrasing Gogol ... well, did your Israelis help you in the genesvale? ...
    Technique in the hands of a savage is a pile of scrap metal. You must be able to, and most importantly want and not be afraid to apply it. Ceremonial constructions and relations are somewhat different from war.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 9 2016 08: 39
      13
      Well, here it is twofold, the Armenians are certainly better off with the art of war, but this is offset by sharp savings on the army, on exercises, on salaries, as well as the last year and a half in Armenia, constant crises, Maidan, mass protests.

      On the contrary, in recent years, Azerbaijan has been buoying loot in the purchase of equipment, raising salaries, and constant exercises.

      The current conflict has shown that Azerbaijan cannot yet develop an offensive from a swoop. However, Armenia is also hard, losses are high, the links and Spike purchased from the UAV decently beat the tanks, right on the defensive positions.


      And against Kharop kamikaze drones, there is no tactic at all ... They are too small and too fast to shoot down MZA, they do not take MANPADS, while 5 (23 in the initially suicidal mission) kg warhead.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 April 9 2016 12: 00
        +7
        There is one more thing. The NKR army has more armored vehicles than Armenia itself. Apparently armored vehicles and artillery were transmitted from the Armenian army of Karabakh. Armenia itself is protected by the CSTO and our base, and even Armenia itself does not recognize the NKR. Otherwise, they would not have accepted her in the CSTO. Therefore, the Armenians left themselves more or less new, and the extras were handed over to NKR.
        As for the sale of our equipment to Azeri, Rogozin has already said that we will continue to sell it. Azerbaijan has now become a friendlier state than eight years ago, and ours is unlikely to be lost. Well, the war in the NKR is not beneficial for us, but it does not officially apply until the battles take place on the territory of Armenia. Armenians want to join NKR populated by Armenians to Armenia? Well, for God's sake - join if you have the strength and desire, but what do we have to do with it? You can make Azeri give up rights to the NKR and squeeze the NKR to itself - yes to health. We have the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan to one place. Will Azeri slaughter Armenians in NKR and regain territory? Also, we are not particularly interested. The territorial acquisitions of Armenia are not very interesting to us.
        As for the snot about the allies and not very. Our ally, Armenia, refused to hold a referendum on the preservation of the USSR, and Azeri held and voted to preserve the USSR. Pro-Western moods are widespread in Armenia. At the same time, Azerbaijan was part of the GUAM anti-Russian bloc and the Turks lick it in all places.
        Who for whom, and I for beer, an armchair, popcorn and beautiful shots from voynushki on TV. In general, an angry and heartless person. I repent. belay
    2. Hon
      Hon April 9 2016 12: 21
      0
      The Azerbaijani army is stronger than the Georgian. Yes savages savages that the war in Chechnya was not an easy walk
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 9 2016 13: 49
        +7
        Well, as if the Azerbaijanis were not close to the Chechens for their bloodthirstiness and belligerence ... believe me, the traders start bleating from the first minutes ... but try to break the "Chekh" ... personal experience if that! And the system of waging a local war , in Russia has already been revised for a long time! In Chechnya, the 94th fought on the principle of "hurray for the Motherland" according to the textbooks of the Second World War!
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K April 9 2016 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        Yes savages savages that the war in Chechnya was not an easy walk

        You confuse the regular army and partisan units. As you probably remember, the Nazis came as far as 25 km. to Moscow, but they could not cope with our partisan resistance. Dudayev in his Chechnya created a regular army, so where is it? She quickly disappeared. Arabs and the like do not know how to fight as Europeans fight. This was perfectly proved by the Arab-Israeli wars. With numerical and technical superiority, the Arabs could not destroy Israel, although it can be crossed in tanks in a few hours. Arabs and the like are bad warriors. Therefore, neither Iraq, at one time, nor Iran, could defeat each other, although they fought using regular troops for 9 years. Partisan warfare is the most difficult war, especially when the population supports the partisans.
  4. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll April 9 2016 08: 45
    +5
    T-72 "Aslan", and T-55 "Rafik"?)
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 9 2016 10: 02
    +6
    So what if Azerbaijan has newer tanks than Armenia. This did not help them, and the "fire" went out without flaring up. Some weapons proved to be better, some worse. Azerbaijan had money - I bought what I wanted, but why ... And to fight with purchased weapons seriously - it will not work, it ends too quickly in a steep mess.
    1. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik April 9 2016 15: 56
      +2
      The Armenian general disagrees with you))
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZpPjzEtE0
  6. skeptic
    skeptic April 9 2016 10: 24
    +7
    Oil painting:
    A mediocre article praising the next "masterpiece" of the military-industrial complex.
    Replicated delights of non-specialists from the "public" and
    "Western experts".

    Timid remarks of engineers that it is too early to rejoice - electronics "at zero",
    industry destroyed, glorious Stalinist design bureaus dispersed,
    thriving, to put it mildly, "Vostokovshchina" (after the name of the plundered cosmodrome)
    etc. get lost in a laudatory choir.

    Worse, the military in the units is convinced that their equipment is an unprecedented and invincible miracle,
    and for disappointment in this you have to pay with individual and personal heroism, with lives.
    Conclusions "on blood" are again made half-hearted.
    Then the events are skillfully slowed down by managers.
    Lined up vertical.
    In which innovation has been analyzed, tested for decades,
    are constructed, mastered, tested and ... become obsolete at the time of receipt (in raw form)
    to Army.

    For example, epics with UAVs, the notorious Poghosyan's Super PAK, originally a backward "Angara".

    I can’t believe that Russian engineers are worse than home-grown analysts.
    But for a very long time in the Russian military-industrial complex there are "worms".
    Therefore, as always, our main Power is Heroism.
    Alas.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas April 9 2016 16: 53
      +2
      Quote: skep
      Oil painting:

      In principle, I agree with everything except clause 3. The point here is more likely not in the managers, but in the army itself, more precisely in the leadership. In parts, they just know what their equipment is worth, but the Moscow Region is fundamentally saving on modernization.
      Over the "well-fed" years, it was possible to equip all tanks, slowly, with active and dynamic protection, covering all vulnerable zones of the tank. Order a set of grilles from the Research Institute of Steel, and received the creepy T-72M3.
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  8. TARAS BULBA
    TARAS BULBA April 9 2016 11: 03
    +3
    Earlier they said "the Englishwoman is crap" now apparently "the Turkish woman is crap" ... the jump of the Azeri "aslans" from the kick of the Turkish donkeys occurred.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 9 2016 13: 51
      -2
      Yeah, and Russia said "tsyts" shmakodyavki, and everything died down again ..))!
    2. HERMES
      HERMES April 12 2016 17: 05
      0
      Quote: TARAS BULBA
      Earlier they said "the Englishwoman is crap" now apparently "the Turkish woman is crap" ... the jump of the Azeri "aslans" from the kick of the Turkish donkeys occurred.

      Sooner or later this would happen ... with or without a kick.
  9. iouris
    iouris April 9 2016 11: 47
    +3
    Instead of solving real socio-economic problems, the regimes, under the guise of solving urgent geopolitical problems, are engaged in preserving their power. The transition of the "frozen" conflict into a flammable phase was inevitable due to the fact that the gun, which, it would seem, just hangs, has its own logic. It's another matter that, in a strange way, superiority in military equipment does not allow Aliyev to resolve the issue completely.
    1. denis02135
      denis02135 April 9 2016 13: 53
      +1
      Dear iouris

      You hit the point

      Quote: iouris
      Instead of solving real socio-economic problems, regimes under the guise of solving urgent geopolitical problems are engaged in maintaining their power.


      What modes are you talking about now? Appearances, passwords ...... smile
  10. Berserks
    Berserks April 9 2016 13: 22
    0
    It’s all useless because
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3aDgZV5q-E
    crying laughing
  11. Fat
    Fat April 9 2016 14: 28
    +1
    To be honest, I don't ... en. What size neighbors throw pots. If only it was quiet. We will not get tired of the "local police" ... if we are honest, they themselves will solve these "kitchen" problems. In fact, the neighbors are scandalizing over our and Turkish apartments. "Domkom" (UN) has nothing to do there, as in previous years. Ask who benefits? I'll tell you! Liberals wash their "tracks" in the entrances so that DNA does not show anything!
    "Do you understand? ... whether" (c)
    PS The link must be cited in full, or do you remember how the first president of the Federation was called? CIS = the great leader the British buried you will never forget, especially if you watch "CNN or NBC or BBC espectually" in the morning
    PS2 "Doctor ...! Do not read ... newspapers in the morning! It is bad for ... cooking." (from)
  12. Westet2
    Westet2 April 9 2016 14: 37
    +4
    It’s always surprising our ministry of defense. Why doesn’t our army have such modernization as we provide for a foreign buyer ?? What can our tankers do without an escort machine, and they don’t need air conditioning ?? How many times have we been convinced that such savings are worth the lives of our soldiers !!!
    1. Fat
      Fat April 9 2016 19: 10
      0
      Quote: Westet2
      It’s always surprising our ministry of defense. Why doesn’t our army have such modernization as we provide for a foreign buyer ?? What can our tankers do without an escort machine, and they don’t need air conditioning ?? How many times have we been convinced that such savings are worth the lives of our soldiers !!!

      Father, in the Soviet era I had a chance to hold on to the export "Belarusian". There is a FSE right up to a set of condoms ... Is the thickness of article # 2 critical for a "local buyer"? Such savings on the sex life of the citizens of the country - the buyer are specifically reflected. Even in "Soviet technology" much more was accomplished than just "completing a combat" mission! FOR! before pressing pretty buttons, just read the instructions. How many times have YOU personally been convinced that the cold comes from the blue "button"?
  13. Hauptam
    Hauptam April 9 2016 15: 49
    +4
    It is not the tanks that are fighting, the people are fighting where the Azeris were at the tank biathlon and where the Armenians are. During the entire period of service, I have never seen a good "Azeri" tanker, but there are many Armenians.
    1. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik April 9 2016 16: 26
      +1
      For 3 days they became much less)))
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 9 2016 16: 52
        0
        Your tankers are almost 2 times. And who needs it. You can take Karabakh by destroying Armenia. Azerbaijan was about 70 years old.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES April 12 2016 17: 08
          0
          Quote: garnik64
          Your tankers are almost 2 times.

          Tell it to the German WWII tanker.
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 12 2016 17: 07
        0
        Quote: Otshelnik
        For 3 days they became much less)))


        By the way ... so how many tanks did Armenians end up losing ... I got confused in this stream of "propaganda".
  14. Otshelnik
    Otshelnik April 9 2016 15: 58
    +1
    “The generals had free hands on both sides.”
    http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/146126/
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 April 9 2016 17: 00
      +1
      And this filth is your expert who offered his services for a fee. As I read his name, I did not read further.
    2. Bakht
      Bakht April 9 2016 17: 30
      +3
      Quote: Otshelnik
      http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/146126

      Thanks for the link. I don’t agree with everything, but O. Kuznetsov caught the main points quite right. I especially liked about the Azerbaijani and Armenian elites. In Azerbaijan today the opposition is in such a deep crevice that nobody and nothing is visible there. A couple of days ago A. Karimli got out (and this is the whole head of the Popular Front of Azerbaijan) with some idiotic letter. I think that if people come to the next rally of the "opposition", it will be with rotten eggs and tomatoes. Well, we have a lot of tomatoes.
      The Karabakh clan rules in Armenia and therefore, by definition, they cannot agree to any agreements. They lived a war, came to power in a war and die with a war. But this is already an internal matter of Armenia. And I don’t care about them.
      1. HERMES
        HERMES April 12 2016 17: 10
        0
        Quote: Bakht
        They lived a war, came to power in a war and die with a war. But this is already an internal matter of Armenia. And I don’t care about them.

        And it must be ... because of the porridge they made ... many more of our boys will die ... and not only ours.
  15. Otshelnik
    Otshelnik April 9 2016 16: 00
    0
    The results of the three-day confrontation April 2 - 5, 2016
    https://istiglal.com/2016/04/08/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B
    5%D1%85%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82
    %D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-2-5/
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 April 9 2016 19: 19
      +3
      This kid knocked out 5 tanks with "Fagot."
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 9 2016 19: 49
        +3
        The father, the severed head of a soldier Käram Sloan of Yezidi descent, went to the front line. After this incident, the Yezidis sign up for volunteers. Familiar handwriting, and in Syria with the Yezidis were treated like that, here you have the Turks.
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 12 2016 17: 16
        -1
        Quote: garnik64
        knocked out 5 tanks with "Fagot."

        Something is doubtful ...
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 9 2016 21: 03
      +2
      Quote: Otshelnik
      The results of the three-day confrontation April 2 - 5, 2016

      Well, I remember the past war, too, began remarkably for Azerbaijan.
      Now the Armenians will mobilize, strengthen their forces and begin ...
      Although it is possible that they themselves are already tired of the problem of Karabakh and the occupied territories.
      1. zinvor
        zinvor April 10 2016 06: 09
        +2
        the Turks remain a Turk, no humanity is worth it, as a serious response went, they immediately ran to the Russians: save, stop the Armenians. facts: 1st day b / d Ambassador of the Az.R. in Russia: <if they don't hear us, we will fight>. 5.04.16. prez. az. R. <we are ready for a truce and the resumption of negotiations>. life shows that az. do not stop until they get in the teeth. all the rest of the verbiage.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES April 12 2016 17: 22
          -1
          Quote: zinvor
          the Turks remain Turks, no humanity is worth it there,


          Half of the 600 thousand perished in the Great Patriotic War, so that slaves would not be made of your people INCLUDING. And now we are "Turks" ... "humanity" ... thank you ...
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 12 2016 17: 19
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Well, I remember the past war, too, began remarkably for Azerbaijan.

        Well, I remember the past war, too, began remarkably for Azerbaijan.

        For us, the beginning of the war was like June 22 ... even worse, given the anarchy throughout the State.
  16. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 10 2016 06: 33
    +1
    Instead of the old Soviet radio stations, NATO standard communications were mounted. A "friend-foe" sensor GPS navigation system was installed.

    Exactly. A very significant thing that shows who and with whom plans in the future very close and fruitful cooperation. Who else has switched to NATO communications standards? Georgia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan. And partly Kazakhstan.

    And in this connection, I would like to ask the big uncles from Rosoboronexport. Where did you look, to whom and where did you sell tanks of the latest modifications?

    And in whose interests did Rosoboronexport act or is acting when it makes such "transactions"? In the interests of Russia and its allies? Or in the interests of a separate group of people, for which it is only important to fill your own pocket?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 10 2016 08: 39
      +3
      Quote: wanderer_032
      to whom and where did you sell the tanks of the latest modifications?

      We will not sell, we will sell the Chinese. Yes, and the Israel’s SLA upgrade will increase the tank’s potential to the level of modern ones. Yes, and NATO’s standards only talk about the quality of radio communications.
      Quote: wanderer_032
      And in whose interests did Rosoboronexport act or is acting when it makes such "transactions"?

      I think in the interests of the factories producing these products.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 April 10 2016 15: 02
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        We won’t sell, we sell the Chinese


        And is it okay that our military is present in the territory of Armenia and can the situation of 08.08.08 be repeated?
        What will this iron begin to shoot at our guys? Or just to fill pockets, and then at least a global flood?
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 April 10 2016 17: 13
          0
          Quote: wanderer_032
          And is it okay that our military is present in the territory of Armenia and can the situation of 08.08.08 be repeated?

          Maybe only our base is far from Karabakh and Azerbaijan. And then, Azerbaijan is well aware of the consequences. By the way, in Syria, our base is in a much more dangerous position, like in Transnistria

          Once again: arms sellers in the world are enough to meet any needs of the afflicted
  17. Bakht
    Bakht April 10 2016 09: 44
    0
    You can enter anywhere.

    "- Rabinovich, they say that you joined the CPSU"
    Rabinovich scaredly examines his shoes - What are you talking about. I do not see."

    Azerbaijan's entry into NATO is not yet considered. And there are no such conversations. There are separate programs of the "partnership for peace" type. There must be something else. But joining NATO and any other military organization has not yet been considered.

    This is not such a simple matter as it seems. After the war of the 73rd year, Egypt decided to change the standard of weapons. And he adopted the NATO technology. One of the accusations said that by his decision A. Sadat deprived the Egyptian army of combat capability for five years. So Ukraine in words can enter anywhere. Like Armenia and Azerbaijan, but this is really a process for years. And while movement in this direction is not visible.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 10 2016 15: 06
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      Azerbaijan’s entry into NATO has not yet been considered.


      It may not be considered, but! The transition to NATO standards and other related facts are available. And more than one year. So, take care of your fairy tales, for lop-sided listeners.

      http://www.nato.int/cps/ru/natohq/topics_49111.htm#
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 10 2016 16: 20
        -1
        What NATO standards? Do not tell me? Maybe purchases of Russian weapons are NATO standards? Most weapons were purchased in the Russian Federation. The methodology and technique of application is in no way suitable for NATO.

        That link that you have given fully applies to Armenia. Moreover, if Azerbaijan has freedom of choice (we are not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization), the position of Armenia looks very sneaky.

        http://sputnikarmenia.ru/armenia/20160314/2440858.html
        (and the link is purely Armenian and completely fresh)

        Oh, these lop-sided listeners ....
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 April 10 2016 19: 50
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          What NATO standards? Do not tell me?

          If the tanks have NATO radio stations, then this means that the entire communications system in military units is also NATO. Up to the high command of all the armed forces of the country, which uses similar communication systems.
          Soviet and Russian radio stations operate at different frequencies and in several other bands. Soviet / Russian communication equipment, in the frequency range with NATO - is not compatible.
          GPS military equipment - NATO. And it works through its own special communication channels. With GLONASS - it is not compatible. So - yours does not roll.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 April 10 2016 20: 48
            +1
            Quote: wanderer_032
            Soviet and Russian radio stations operate at different frequencies and in several other bands

            Well, what does it have to do with it? They take what’s better and tune into any range without any problems at all. It’s the same with GPS. Most receivers use both Glonass and GPS. You still reproach the Indians for what they take Rafali and put Baraks on ships
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 April 11 2016 05: 11
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              Quote: Pilat2009
              Well, what does it have to do with it?

              Despite the fact that:
              Quote: wanderer_032
              Soviet / Russian communication equipment, in the frequency range with NATO - is not compatible.
          2. Bakht
            Bakht April 10 2016 21: 10
            -1
            You have already been answered, it seems. Since I dealt a lot with GPS, I can absolutely say for sure that this system is not NATO. There are two communication channels. And the civilian channel can be blocked at any time. And no one except the States is allowed to enter the military channel. Moreover, the artificial error was removed relatively recently. There before, the error was up to 200 meters for the civilian sector.

            And for quality work, we did not use GPS, but DGPS. The difference is significant.
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 April 10 2016 19: 54
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          Maybe purchases of Russian weapons are NATO standards?

          And here is the military equipment and communications equipment? It is possible that the tanks were ordered without radio stations, and then they were installed on the territory of Azerbaijan. The same goes for GPS equipment.
          Ready to bet that it was so.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht April 10 2016 20: 27
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            Do not beat. So it was. Even if purchased with radio stations, they were changed. I affirm that there is no movement towards NATO. That's all. You have provided a link to affiliate programs. With the same success, one can talk about the movement of Armenia towards NATO. Once upon a time I wrote that it’s very easy to make an enemy of Russia from Armenia. Because the Diaspora of Armenia is strong. And this is France and the United States. Today I saw a message on the KavkazCentre website. No comments. Perhaps a fake. I can’t say anything now. Just take a look. Maybe Armenian users will refute this message. Some strange foliage for early spring.

            http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2016/04/09/111969/na-ulitsakh-erevana-r

            azveshivayut-plakaty-s-putinym-i-nadpisyu-znaj-svoego-vraga.shtml

            It's called "know your enemy"
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 12 2016 17: 25
        -1
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Quote: Bakht
        Azerbaijan’s entry into NATO has not yet been considered.


        It may not be considered, but! The transition to NATO standards and other related facts are available. And more than one year. So, take care of your fairy tales, for lop-sided listeners.

        http://www.nato.int/cps/ru/natohq/topics_49111.htm#


        To make hybrid in terms of standards to increase the combat effectiveness of the army is not shameful.
  18. Xent
    Xent April 10 2016 11: 34
    +1
    No one can justify the sale of weapons to these murderers. This is the same thing as selling ISIS weapons.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 10 2016 15: 09
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      Quote: Xent
      This is the same thing as selling ISIS weapons.


      Not friends and allies of Russia - for sure.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 10 2016 17: 02
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        Of course, it's up to you to select friends and allies for yourself. They say "you can't be cute by force." If you want to have friends who are killing Russian generals and politicians right in Russia, then this is your right. As I understand it, if the Deputy Prime Minister of the RF Government does not suit your ally, then he is not a tenant.

        http://www.zavtra.ru/content/view/1997-01-144tupik/
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 April 10 2016 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: Bakht
          Of course, it is your personal business to select friends and allies for yourself.

          Exactly. And therefore, who actively hobnob with NATO and the USA, for me personally and for my country as well, is definitely not a friend and ally.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht April 10 2016 21: 12
            -1
            Well, that means Armenia is definitely not a friend and ally.
    2. Bakht
      Bakht April 10 2016 16: 29
      0
      Select expression. As for murderers, read foreign journalists.

      On the same day, Thomas Goltz reported in his correspondence to Washington Post from Agdam that the city’s hospitals are filled with refugees. According to witnesses interviewed by a journalist, hundreds of people died during the assault on Khojaly by Armenian armed groups. Of the seven dead whom Holtz saw in the hospital, two were children, three were women. Goltz noted that one of the victims was shot, apparently, at point blank range, and many refugees, according to him, have multiple stab wounds. The information on shootings at point blank was also confirmed by the reporter Bi-bi-si in the morning news. He also reported more than one hundred corpses of men, women and children slaughtered by Armenians. According to the reporter, the videographer and other Western journalists talked about the corpses of women and children shot in the head.

      On March 2, a group of foreign and local journalists was able to fly to the scene of the tragedy, among whom was Chingiz Mustafayev, who, like February 28, was filming what he saw at the scene. Anatole Lieven from London «The Times» described what he saw at the scene of the massacre:

      Two groups - apparently two families, were lying nearby - the hands of women are trying to cover their children. Some of them, including the little girl, had terrible wounds on their heads: in fact, only their faces remained. Survivors said that the Armenians shot them point-blank, already lying on the ground.
      According to the "The New York Times"agency photographer Reuters Frederic Langen near Agdam saw two trucks filled with corpses of Azerbaijanis. In one of them she counted 35 corpses. The second was about the same. According to her, all these were men, some with severed heads or burned. Some of them were in protective uniforms.

      Newspaper correspondent "News" Vadim Belykh told:

      “From time to time, the bodies of their victims, exchanged for living hostages, are brought to Agdam. But this is not a dream in a nightmare: poked eyes, cut off ears, removed scalps, severed heads ... There is no limit to bullying. ”

      Helicopter Pilot Certificate Major Leonid Kravets:

      “On February 26, I took the wounded out of Stepanakert and returned back through the Askeran Gate. Some bright spots on the ground caught my eye. It went down, and then my flight engineer shouted: “Look, there are women and children.” Yes, I myself have already seen about two hundred dead, scattered on the slope. Then we flew to pick up the corpses. The local police captain was with us. He saw there his four-year-old son with a fragmented skull and was set off by reason. I have seen the mutilated bodies of women, children and the elderly everywhere. ”
      According to an American magazine Newsweek, many were killed at close range while trying to escape, some had disfigured faces.

      According to the journal observer "Time" Jill Smallow

      The simple explanation given by the attacking Armenians, who insist that innocent people were not specifically killed, is not believed at all
      Russian cameraman Yuri Romanov describes a six-year-old Khojaly girl, whose eyes were burned out with cigarette butts
  19. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 April 10 2016 17: 17
    +1
    Well, to be honest, both sides are to blame. Violence and cruelty were enough
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 10 2016 18: 19
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      Well, to be honest, both sides are to blame. Violence and cruelty were enough

      Yes and no. There was a lot of violence and cruelty on both sides. There is no arguing. But who is to blame?

      The one who started the process of war and decay is to blame. I perfectly understand the desire of the people or part of the people or some group to separate. This is understandable and may have an explanation and reasons. One of the leading figures in secession issues, Allen Buchanan, wrote a book in 1991 about moral, legal and any other points of view on separation processes. In this particular case, all the moral and legal norms of human society were violated without exception. That's why everything took such ugly forms.

      The Karabakh conflict caused the collapse of the USSR. This common cliche does not hold water. One or two conflicts could not have caused the collapse of the state. But they could have been the last straw. Those who launched the Karabakh process on the Theater Square of Yerevan bear full moral responsibility for the fate of millions of broken destinies. Throughout the former USSR. It would be necessary to repent, those who started this fuss. And you write that both sides are to blame. I cannot agree with this in any way.
  20. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 April 10 2016 19: 20
    0
    The Karabakh conflict began in the wake of the separation of other entities. So it is more likely a consequence of the collapse of the USSR. On the other hand, any enclave seeks independence or joining its mother country. If the other side does not agree with this, war begins. Well, centuries-old conflicts between nations also give know about myself
    But the experience of the Chechen war suggests that military conflict cannot be resolved, the same applies to the Donbass and Crimea
  21. Bakht
    Bakht April 10 2016 20: 19
    -1
    This is all true. But the independence of independence is different. Suppose some enclave is striving simply for independence. All this can be solved within the framework of greater autonomy. The point is that the right to self-determination does not mean the right to territory. The principle of "historical justice" is not applicable here. For the simple reason that then it is necessary to clearly define the time limits. This is impossible. The appeal to the "thousand-year history" is not applicable. For example, from the point of view of "historical justice" Kazan does not belong to Russia. Just like Crimea belongs to the Tatars.

    There are modern states and there is some reasonable time interval.

    And the interference of third countries is completely inapplicable from the point of view of the right to self-determination. Did the Armenians of Karabakh want independence? But what should the people of the state do (Azerbaijan) if from abroad the cry of "joining" rushes? By the way, for this reason, I referred everyone to the Constitution of Armenia. Armenia CANNOT recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, because according to the Constitution of Armenia, Karabakh has long been annexed to Armenia.

    And finally, the right to self-determination under the UN Charter does not apply if the secession state pursues a policy of genocide and deportation. Karabakh Armenians denied the right to self-determination to 40 residents of Nagorno-Karabakh. If a deportation and genocide policy is pursued, then the right to self-determination is automatically nullified.

    There are many signs on which the NKR’s right to independence is not feasible. But we live in the real world. And therefore, we are well aware that it is impossible to return Karabakh to Azerbaijan at this stage. Azerbaijan cannot pursue a policy of deportation, and it is impossible to incorporate 150 Armenians (by the way, I believe that they are much smaller) into the political structure of Azerbaijan. Therefore, the compromise is the liberation of the Azerbaijani occupied regions and the NKR right to maximum autonomy. With its parliament, with its government, with its own language, governing bodies (police, court, prosecutor's office). And even agree to the corridor with Armenia. But the inclusion of NKR into Armenia is no longer self-determination, but territorial expansion. There is another conversation.

    But here cunning begins. Why was NKAO annexed to Azerbaijan? Why was Ossetia divided into two parts? The Bolsheviks had no back thoughts. And the front ones too. It was impossible to hang an entire area on a single mountain road in the 20s. And the transport of that time is an arba, not even a lorry. All borders were drawn solely for economic reasons. Even now, after 100 years, supplying South Ossetia through the Roki Pass is problematic. As well as hanging the NKR economy on one road connecting it with the not-so-richest republic of Armenia. But these are the problems of the Armenians themselves.

    How many problems are there with Crimea now? Energy, water, transport. But there is not such a complicated geography as in Ossetia or NKR. Well, South Ossetia has already turned into a black hole in the Russian budget. Crimea is of strategic importance and therefore there financial costs are justified. Armenians want to live in poverty - this is their problem. So far, the issue is about the liberation of 6 districts AROUND NKR. In exchange for the independence of the NKR de facto. This is what Ter-Petrosyan and G. Aliyev wanted to sign back in 1997. Admittedly, smart people.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 10 2016 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: Bakht
      Well, South Ossetia has already turned into a black hole in the Russian budget. Crimea is of strategic importance and therefore financial costs are justified there

      Any financial costs are justified for their regions. In the end, money is just paper.
      Quote: Bakht
      So far, it is about the liberation of 6 districts AROUND NKR. In exchange for the independence of the NKR de facto. This is what Ter-Petrosyan and G. Aliyev wanted to sign back in 1997. Admittedly, smart people.

      It’s hard to argue with that, but any president or government who made this decision is kamikaze, which is why many say that the Armenians were in zugzwang
      Quote: Bakht
      And finally, the right to self-determination under the UN Charter does not apply if the secession state pursues a policy of genocide and deportation. Karabakh Armenians denied the right to self-determination to 40 residents of Nagorno-Karabakh. If a deportation and genocide policy is pursued, then the right to self-determination is automatically nullified.

      There are precedents in the same Croatia and Kosovo
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 10 2016 21: 24
        -1
        For their regions, it’s possible. Crimea, for example, are the strategic interests of the Russian Federation. And what are the strategic interests of the Russian Federation in South Ossetia? Geopolitics in the first place is geography.
        ----
        They drove themselves into zugzwang. L. Ter-Petrosyan agreed to these agreements. But he was replaced by representatives of the Karabakh clan. And yesterday, S. Sargsyan was forced to go on consultations with the same Ter-Petrosyan. Almost 20 years of lost time are enormous human sacrifices.
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        Therefore, Croatia and Kosovo are considered a special case. But actually, I consider the Kosovo and Karabakh conflicts to be twins. They have a different outcome. But they started the same way.