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How many "Nagorno-Karabakh" smolders in Central Asia?

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The Donbass is on fire, Nagorno-Karabakh has broken out, the Moldovan defense minister continues to talk about the fact that if Russia does not withdraw from Transnistria, then something will happen, South and North Korean partners will not decide at any one time who will be the first " preventively "strangle. And this is not to mention the very difficult situation around South Ossetia and Abkhazia, continuing to Kiev, the statements of the Turkmen leader that he is ready to help Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, if necessary, not only with words, but also with military affairs. In this situation, the question is brewing: in what place at the borders of the Russian Federation will the next session of testing Russia for strength?


One of such regions, where the potential Karabakh is not one and not two, is the Central Asian region. There are no unrecognized republics, but there are territorial claims, and not even between the two countries (as in the case of Armenia and Azerbaijan), but between whole conglomerates, including Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, for example. And you can say that the likelihood of armed conflict in this region - in fact, near the borders of Russia - is sucked from the finger, but in fact everything is more than serious. And the fact that in the Central Asian region is full of unresolved interstate and inter-ethnic disputes, recently announced, for example, the Kyrgyz leader Almazbek Atambayev.

Kyrgyz Telegraph Agency reports that President Atambayev took part in events dedicated to the anniversary of the events of the so-called "Tulip Revolution" and called his predecessor Kurmanbek Bakiyev a representative of a "little family who is more terrible than Akaev" and who brought with him "bandyugans". After that, Atambayev stated that Kyrgyzstan has about fifty (!) Disputed territorial objects with Uzbekistan, adding that “Kyrgyzstan will definitely return its territories”.

It is worth noting that such rhetoric of Atambayev was preceded by the transfer of additional paramilitary Uzbek units reinforced by armored vehicles to the border with Kyrgyzstan. At first, the Uzbek authorities stated that armored personnel carriers and machine guns along the border, they say, are designed to help “avoid excesses during the celebration of Nowruz,” but then, apparently realizing that such “excuse” looks somewhat ridiculous, official Tashkent used different rhetoric. According to the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Uzbekistan, Bishkek attempted to transfer under its jurisdiction several objects located in the disputed border areas, which forced Tashkent to respond. In particular, we are talking about reservoirs, the value of which for the states of Central Asia is truly more precious than gold - for obvious reasons.

If we talk about the state of affairs on the Uzbek-Kyrgyz border, then legally and diplomatically it is full of seams. By the most conservative estimates, about 350 km of the border (of more than 1300) are the subject of fierce disputes. Maps of the two states since the collapse of the Soviet Union (during the existence of the USSR, border problems also manifested themselves, but they were not so sharp as the borders were not state-like) are completely different documents. Uzbekistan believes that the border should be considered on the basis of documentary evidence from the 1927 year, while in Kyrgyzstan, the 1927 certificate of the year is considered obsolete and take into account the boundaries of the republic of the 1950 variant. Moreover, dozens of kilometers of the 90 border remain mined and no Russian engineers either Tashkent or Bishkek are going to invite anyone to assist in mine clearance ...

Border areas of Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan resemble scattered peas. “Peas” are numerous enclaves (exclaves). Moreover, inside the Uzbek exclaves may be located Kyrgyz or Tajik villages. A sort of Central Asian "matryoshka", when in one enclave "hiding" another.

How many "Nagorno-Karabakh" smolders in Central Asia?


The disputed territories for which neighboring Tajikistan also claims are the Vorukh enclave. More precisely, Kyrgyzstan claims it, and officially Vorukh - as if the territory of Tajikistan with a population of about 30 thousand, surrounded by the territory of the Republic of Kyrgyzstan. Since the end of 90, this piece of mountainous land has been the subject of more than serious controversy. It got to the point that official Dushanbe put his checkpoints in an exclave and began to collect customs fees from the Kirghiz, who moved through the enclave. A similar move was made by the Kyrgyz for the Tajiks, who wanted from Vorukh to get into the "main part" of Tajikistan ... The vicious circle, which continually led to clashes, often with the use of weapons.
A few dozen kilometers from Vorukh is the Uzbek exclave of Sokh - Sokh District of Uzbekistan, surrounded by Kyrgyz territory. A road connecting the Kyrgyz Batken with Osh and the rest of Kyrgyzstan passes through this exclave (for Kyrgyzstan, an enclave). However, the difficulty is also in the fact that the ownership of Sokh (Sokh district) does not give Uzbekistan itself, if one may say so, special dividends for Uzbekistan. And not only because the Sokh region is territorially “locked up” by Kyrgyzstan, but also because of the approximately 9,5 thousand of its inhabitants, more than 90% are ethnic Tajiks. And these people, being de jure citizens of Uzbekistan, are not at all inclined to show their “Uzbek” civil commitment de facto ... They want to attribute their land to Tajikistan, but, as they say, who will ask them what they want even if they say a thousand times that Tashkent is “occupying” their native lands.

In addition to the Sokh district and Vorukh, there are several other relatively large disputed areas. One of these is the Uzbek Shahimardan, which is remote inland Kyrgyzstan approximately 15 km. This is a district with a population of more than 10 thousand people, of which about 9,2 thousand are Uzbeks. But there are villages in which ethnic Kyrgyz live.

And such disputed territories, on which various ethnic groups live, are far from being complacent with each other, in this region (talking about the Fergana Valley) is a dime a dozen. Any spark, any provocation, even the most minimal, is enough to make the region glow. And in such a situation, it is even scary to imagine that it could erupt in these territories, where the facts of massacre, open fighting, and the centers of the beginning of state coups have already manifested themselves.

For examples, historically, no need to go far. Year 1999 - Batken war, during which the militants of the so-called "Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan" made an attempt to break through Kyrgyz territory from Tajikistan to Uzbekistan, capturing several Kyrgyz soldiers. The antiterrorist operation lasted about 2 months.



According to the official data of Bishkek, 32 people were killed near Batken (15 soldiers and 17 civilians) and at least 1,1 thousands of militants were killed. Today, experts say that the Kyrgyz authorities then clearly underestimated their losses and overestimated the losses of the enemy.

If the parties also operate here with bellicose rhetoric, then it is likely that in this direction our common “friends” will try to play the favorite destabilization card with all the consequences.
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  1. Sarma
    Sarma April 5 2016 06: 47
    -5
    For me, all this does not affect Russia. It is necessary to withdraw all military units of the Russian Federation to the territory of the Russian Federation and restore order on the border, including with Kazakhstan, where there is a real `` entrance yard. '' All these former republics of the USSR staged pogroms on their territory The Russian population and I are equally disgusted; they wanted independence from Russia and got it, so even if they live in their homeland as they want, this does not apply to Russia and to accept citizens of these now independent countries who are always hungry and do not want to comply with the laws of the Russian Federation. only not obliged, but also should not. There is no place for rusophobes in Russia!
    1. Volodin
      April 5 2016 06: 51
      +10
      Sorry, but, in my opinion, people like you said 20 years ago that Russia is not concerned with what is happening in Chechnya - they say, why do we need these "mountain barbarians" ... And what then did everything lead - I think, no need to remind. And with the proposal "to return all military units to your territory", it is better to contact the Pentagon - it, you know, has something to withdraw ...
      1. Sarma
        Sarma April 5 2016 07: 32
        +3
        Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation and there was essentially a civil war between Dudayev and Gantamirov, and you are talking about countries outside the Russian Federation that only parasitize Russia, hating Russia and Russians. There is no Gantamirov in Uzbekistan.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 5 2016 11: 07
          +1
          In Chechnya, there was a civil war with a beginning terrorist orientation - the bus grabs in the early 90s are still fresh in memory.
    2. Turkestan
      Turkestan April 5 2016 08: 14
      0
      Well, of course, YOU are not concerned, but what about 809530 Russians living in Uzbekistan?
      1. Sarma
        Sarma April 5 2016 09: 49
        +1
        After the pogroms of the Russian population in Uzbekistan, the number of Russians living there decreased by 3 times from the number of people living there during the Soviet era. Who wanted to leave, he left, and most just kicked out, robbing, beating, or raping, or all together, a lot at once. You’ll deny and lie that this didn’t happen ?! It’s not with me, it’s with those who don’t know the Uzbeks, but I know them ... and I don’t want to see them in Russia. The fate of the half-breeds who want to sit on my backside in two chairs at once me not interested.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 09
          +1
          Quote: Sarma
          and the majority simply kicked out, robbing, beating, or having raped, or all together, a lot at once. You’ll deny and lie that it wasn’t

          Hearing you are a dreamer where and whom they robbed, raped and beaten ?????
          1. Sarma
            Sarma April 5 2016 10: 16
            +7
            I am without skis, but to your phrase - "Moscow is for everyone, and Tashkent is for the Uzbeks," which you still like to repeat today, I will answer - "Moscow is for the indigenous population of Russia, and for Uzbeks, Tashkent" ...
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 34
              +1
              Quote: Sarma
              I'm without skis

              Well, put on your skis and plug the right ear with one finger so that you wouldn’t go through the draft in your head.
              1. Metoclopramide
                Metoclopramide April 5 2016 10: 45
                +7
                It’s drafty in your head. If Russian, here’s a link about Russian pogroms in Uzbekistan, and if the Uzbek pray that it doesn’t go around. Http: //soldatru.ru/read.php? Id = 734
                1. gray smeet
                  gray smeet April 5 2016 11: 54
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                  Quote: Metoclopramide
                  It’s drafty in your head. If Russian, here’s a link about Russian pogroms in Uzbekistan, and if the Uzbek pray that it doesn’t go around. Http: //soldatru.ru/read.php? Id = 734


                  About Uzbekistan: Well, the Ferghana massacre of 1989 can hardly be called Russian pogroms, but rather the massacre of the Meskhetian Turks. But the cut off heads were kicked there - a fact.
                  Indeed, in the early nineties, nationalism in Uzbekistan was very sensitive. At this time, the authorities themselves were afraid that they would fall under a hot hand (at the beginning of the 90s-full seams in everything) and applied punitive organs - patrols walked around the city and at least 10 employees day and night. In a word, the authorities managed to take control of the situation and began to subside with a clear, undisguised bacchanalia with nationalism (banditry). You could safely leave the car on the streets without closing the doors - no one climbed - 15 years of hard labor threatened. I myself often traveled to such cities as Kokand and the region (Ferghana Valley!), Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva, Tash. region. Often visited the state farms, i.e. was among the people - and I came alone (I am Russian) and was not afraid, I met both with the simple local population and with the management of enterprises. The population in the region is very poor - they did not see money in state farms in 1995 for a long time - s / n - flour, rice + their own garden - at the same time they sat me at dostorkhan for lunch, honestly it was a shame to eat them, but I know their traditions ..
                  When the state suppressed all the vivid signs of gangsterism - the state itself became a gangster with real Gestapo dungeons - and the Uzbeks themselves suffered from this, although Russians are more. It is still gangster, even stronger. I do not write about corruption, this is a topic for another discussion! I won’t write about how to cash in on Russians leaving Uzbekistan, for a long time, I’ll just say one thing, I went out with my family and ripping off from Tashkent (starting from the passport office, ZhKO, military registration and enlistment office, customs, and the police to the sold apartment an hour before the plane , the airport itself) to Moscow inclusive, even in Moscow they were torn as much as at the airport, and escorted throughout Moscow until it reached the place !!!

                  Generally a difficult question ...
                  1. Metoclopramide
                    Metoclopramide April 5 2016 13: 17
                    +3
                    You are a guest for them, as long as you, by their standards, are a rich person from Russia and even then can kill and rob ... I have a lot of acquaintances, friends and relatives who got into these in the 70s and 80s, Uzbekists '' according to distribution, after graduating from universities and technical schools, they then barely carried their feet away from this wild hamla and beasts. They slaughtered the Russians with all the breadth of their wild souls and beat women until they lost consciousness, etc. and so on and did not punish anyone for this, Fact: It was easier for those who had parents in Russia and they had someone and where to come to Russia, and the times were hungry and difficult, food coupons ... And someone was forced to leave for Russia only with his wife, children and a couple of suitcases and in Russia no one was waiting for them and in `` Uzbekistan '' everything was taken away ... This was the most difficult thing ... Everyone had a different experience, someone managed to sell at least something and get rid of only with fright, but someone's life battered so that God forbid you. If you were there, then you must remember the inscriptions on the walls - "Do not buy from Vanya and Masha, all the same all this will be children are ours. ''
                    1. gray smeet
                      gray smeet April 5 2016 13: 29
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                      Quote: Metoclopramide
                      I have a lot of acquaintances, friends and relatives who, in the 70s and 80s, got into these, Uzbekistan


                      I was born there, my father lived there all his life from the age of 11. (He was born in 1941) - he traveled to Tashkent on his own, alone, the Uzbeks fed on the train.
                      I went to permanent residence in Russia, like everyone else - lightly, do not believe the bandits in Moscow took more than in Tashkent, more precisely, this was one chain, please do not tell me how it was! I personally witness those events - do not agitate me ...
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 April 5 2016 13: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Metoclopramide
                      I have a lot of acquaintances, friends and relatives, who in the 70s and 80s got into these `` Uzbekistans '' by distribution, after graduating from universities and technical schools, they then barely carried their feet away from this wild boor and beast. there Russians with all the breadth of their wild souls and women were beaten until they lost consciousness, and so on and so forth, and no one was punished for this, a fact.

                      Where exactly did you cut the city, village WHERE ???
                      1. gray smeet
                        gray smeet April 5 2016 13: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65

                        Where exactly did you cut the city, village WHERE ???


                        About Uzbekistan: - Yes, he will not say! Somewhere I heard something, but don’t know where!
                      2. Metoclopramide
                        Metoclopramide April 5 2016 13: 55
                        -1
                        I can name the cities of Baku and Osh right away, so don’t rot your fingers and I can bring witnesses of that lawlessness to court even now. I can bring two families who were robbed in Alma-Ata, they were not cut, but they made it clear to Russia. '' They came at night, with weapons and threatened to kill them. Some managed to sell something, the others were forced to leave EVERYTHING and leave with only suitcases. Those who were robbed more strongly lived in the suburbs, those who managed to sell something in the city center. So that's it.
                      3. gray smeet
                        gray smeet April 5 2016 14: 07
                        -5
                        Osh - Kyrgyzstan, Baku - Azerbaijan

                        Is geography bad?
                        Metoclopramide RU Today, 13:17 ↑ You are a guest for them, as long as you, by their standards, are a rich person from Russia and even then can kill and rob ... I have a lot of acquaintances, friends and relatives who are in the 70s 80 -s got into these `` Uzbekistan ''


                        Metoclopramide RU Today, 10:45 ↑ Draft is in your head. If Russian, here's a link about Russian pogroms in Uzbekistan


                        In each comment I signed about Uzbekistan ... But you assured me that it was in Uzbekistan that they slaughtered Russians like sheep.

                        I know not by hearsay - the house (in Russia) of a Russian immigrant (!) Burned down (!) (I was in his ashes, came to help) from Uzbekistan. Local guys (Russians !!!!!) burned the house, because he was not like them — he didn’t drink with them, he constantly worked in the house — he improved the household. Of course, they wrote off everything for a short circuit, but they whispered to him before ... so that he would get out of the village ....
                      4. Metoclopramide
                        Metoclopramide April 5 2016 14: 15
                        +3
                        Kyrgyzstan and Baku are the former USSR, whose person they did not know well in Tashkent, I do not know very well, worked with him several years ago. The families of those who were savaged and robbed in Kazakhstan do not live far from me. One of these guys is called Ivan Arefyev, this was him, his sister and mother were robbed in Alma-Ata and kicked out only with suitcases. His sister works in the supermarket, one stop on the minibus from my house. Want an excursion and a personal meeting ?! I’ll arrange it easily. The second guy worked in Almaty as a chief engineer, now lives in a neighboring area of ​​the city, you can also meet if that ... The family that was pretended and robbed in Baku lives not far from my parents, their three brothers, father and mother .You can also easily meet if you wish.
                      5. Your friend
                        Your friend April 5 2016 16: 19
                        0
                        Quote: gray smeet
                        I know not by hearsay - the house (in Russia) of a Russian immigrant (!) Burned down (!) (I was in his ashes, came to help) from Uzbekistan. Local guys (Russians !!!!!) burned the house, because he was not like them — he didn’t drink with them, he constantly worked in the house — he improved the household. Of course, they wrote off everything for a short circuit, but they whispered to him before ... so that he would get out of the village ....

                        Burned for not drinking together ??? Ahahahaha .... In my opinion, you yourself took something before writing this post.)))
                      6. gray smeet
                        gray smeet April 5 2016 16: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Your friend
                        Quote: gray smeet
                        I know not by hearsay - the house (in Russia) of a Russian immigrant (!) Burned down (!) (I was in his ashes, came to help) from Uzbekistan. Local guys (Russians !!!!!) burned the house, because he was not like them — he didn’t drink with them, he constantly worked in the house — he improved the household. Of course, they wrote off everything for a short circuit, but they whispered to him before ... so that he would get out of the village ....

                        Burned for not drinking together ??? Ahahahaha .... In my opinion, you yourself took something before writing this post.)))


                        Send a photo of the burner to the ashes (fotkal when he came to help)? I can put a video interview (only after the weekend) to put it - the victim himself will tell everything! I don’t know why they burnt his house; I can tell you from his words that I’m not an investigator, but there is such a fact! You can laugh on. Talk to immigrants, those who did not come to the city (like me), but to the village - maybe you will learn something new ....
                      7. Your friend
                        Your friend April 5 2016 16: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: gray smeet
                        Send a photo of the burner to the ashes (fotkal when he came to help)? I can put a video interview (only after the weekend) to put it - the victim himself will tell everything! I don’t know why they burnt his house; I can tell you from his words that I’m not an investigator, but there is such a fact! You can laugh on.

                        Why do I need his photo and interview? As an adult, you are not surprised by the cause of the fire - "did not want to drink"?
                        Quote: gray smeet
                        . Talk to immigrants, those who did not come to the city (like me), but to the village - maybe you will learn something new ....

                        Have all millions of Russian refugees from the republics of the former union been burned down? Stop talking nonsense.
                      8. gray smeet
                        gray smeet April 5 2016 16: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Your friend

                        Have all millions of Russian refugees from the republics of the former union been burned down? Stop talking nonsense.


                        I parry - have they really cut all the Russians in Uzbekistan? Stop talking nonsense.
                      9. Your friend
                        Your friend April 5 2016 16: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: gray smeet
                        I parry - have they really cut all the Russians in Uzbekistan? Stop talking nonsense.

                        What are you fending off? Where did I write that all the Russians in Uzbekistan were cut? Again rave?)))
                    3. Razvedka_Boem
                      Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 11
                      -1
                      Burned for many. Since those who moved in the hope of a better life, they worked tirelessly, which did not like the black-drinking villagers. By the way, the Russians who left for their historical homeland .. were greeted oh, how unkind .. they were the same "black" for the locals .. like the rest of the visitors. And that's a fact. I remember everything very well.
                2. miru mir
                  miru mir April 5 2016 21: 03
                  -2
                  You giggle in vain. And not one was burned ...
              2. miru mir
                miru mir April 5 2016 21: 01
                -4
                You tell me about my situation ...
              3. Serg65
                Serg65 April 6 2016 05: 42
                +1
                Quote: gray smeet
                I know not by hearsay - the house (in Russia) of a Russian immigrant (!) Burned down (!) (I was in his ashes, came to help) from Uzbekistan. Local guys (Russians !!!!!) burned the house, because he was not like them — he didn’t drink with them, he constantly worked in the house — he improved the household.

                The familiar picture is my friend and with many Kyrgyz Russians the same story. Those who left for the cities were all the better, and those who rushed to the villages near those or houses with cars were burned or were not given a banal living.
              4. bekjan
                bekjan April 7 2016 10: 58
                0
                In Osh (Kyrgyzstan) there was no deliberate oppression of the Russian population. There were two ethnic warriors between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks with an interval of 20 years (1990 and 2010). Victims of Russians and other nations fell under the hot hand from one side or the other.
            2. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 07
              -3
              Baku and Osh are not Uzbekistan! How many years are you?
            3. Serg65
              Serg65 April 6 2016 05: 35
              +1
              Quote: Metoclopramide
              Two families I can bring who were robbed in Alma-Ata,

              My dear, have you ever been to Alma-Ata? Come and tell the Russian Almaty people how they were cut, robbed and killed ... here they are laughing
          2. jamalena
            jamalena April 5 2016 23: 43
            -4
            yes he is just a fucking provocateur
        2. Razvedka_Boem
          Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 03
          -3
          There was no massacre of Russians!
        3. jamalena
          jamalena April 5 2016 23: 39
          -5
          another fucker provocateur
      2. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 02
        -4
        Yes, the question is complex. Definitely say, as some commenting, not worth it.
        As for the calm on the streets - this is still the case. Tashkent itself, one might say Russian-speaking. The attitude towards foreigners is friendly. They can walk even alone without fear. Good Russian skills when applying for a job are a plus.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 April 5 2016 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Metoclopramide
      If Russian, here's a link about Russian pogroms in Uzbekistan

      My Mila in Margelan and Tashlak slaughtered the Turks, and at the expense of the Russians ... older Uzbeks stood near the Russians' houses and drove away the kishlak stoned youth. Turks were killed for a terrible yes. He himself helped Teyfurov in the resettlement of Ferghana Turks in Frunze. My dear uncle lived in Tashlak, his two sons with children and a daughter with his family, they didn’t offend one Russian; 100% I give !!!
      1. Metoclopramide
        Metoclopramide April 5 2016 14: 19
        +1
        Ah, so you, yourself, helped, '' then there are no more questions, but you should tell someone else about the fact that Russians were not slaughtered in Tashkent.http: //soldatru.ru/read.php? Id = 734
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet April 5 2016 14: 59
          -3
          Quote: Metoclopramide
          Ah, so you, yourself, helped, '' then there are no more questions, but you should tell someone else about the fact that Russians were not slaughtered in Tashkent.http: //soldatru.ru/read.php? Id = 734


          I am Russian, from Tashkent - they did not kill Russians there. Provocateur! Tell me where you lived in Tashkent, and have you witnessed the massacre? Provocateur!
          1. Metoclopramide
            Metoclopramide April 5 2016 15: 37
            -5
            Your friend Serg65 himself has already admitted that he is not Russian and took a personal part in the Fergana massacre, during which everyone who was not like Uzbeks, Slavs, Tatars and others was killed. And what will you please us with ?! I personally did not live in Tashkent and you understood this perfectly, and therefore you throw a show, but I have a person from Tashkent, Russian, and it doesn't matter that we are not close friends, but just former colleagues, if you can find him. ? Well, this can be arranged, but God forbid you if he recognizes in you one of those who robbed his house, the taiga is big ... here is not yours, kishlak.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 April 5 2016 16: 47
            +1
            Quote: Metoclopramide
            Your friend Serg65 has already admitted that he is not Russian and took part in the Ferghana massacre, during which they killed everyone who did not look like an Uzbek, Slavs, Tatars and others.

            Lavrov, when he spoke DB, probably also meant you too? Read articulate my komenty wassat
          3. gray smeet
            gray smeet April 5 2016 16: 51
            -5
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Metoclopramide
            Your friend Serg65 has already admitted that he is not Russian and took part in the Ferghana massacre, during which they killed everyone who did not look like an Uzbek, Slavs, Tatars and others.

            Lavrov, when he spoke DB, probably also meant you too? Read articulate my komenty wassat


            Yes, this is a troll, with a traitor ...
          4. Your friend
            Your friend April 5 2016 16: 55
            +6
            Quote: gray smeet
            Yes, this is a troll, with a traitor ...

            ))))))
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      2. gray smeet
        gray smeet April 5 2016 16: 47
        -4
        Quote: Metoclopramide
        Your friend Serg65 himself has already admitted that he is not Russian and took a personal part in the Fergana massacre, during which everyone who was not like Uzbeks, Slavs, Tatars and others was killed. And what will you please us with ?! I personally did not live in Tashkent and you understood this perfectly, and therefore you throw a show, but I have a person from Tashkent, Russian, and it doesn't matter that we are not close friends, but just former colleagues, if you can find him. ? Well, this can be arranged, but God forbid you if he recognizes in you one of those who robbed his house, the taiga is big ... here is not yours, kishlak.


        I want to meet! Waiting for your friend, with you on the weekend. Write your address here.
      3. Your friend
        Your friend April 5 2016 16: 57
        +7
        Quote: gray smeet
        I want to meet! Waiting for your friend, with you on the weekend. Write your address here.

        And why did you dump from Uzbekistan, since everything is fine there?
      4. Sarma
        Sarma April 5 2016 23: 10
        +1
        I just arrived and decided to read the comments left here. About a dozen people write here, and you make fun of them and call them liars, I think that in a personal meeting you will behave the same way and it will end with swearing and scuffle. to reduce to the fact that all this was gossip type and there was nothing, and you completely ignore the fact that there were friends, relatives and acquaintances of many people. There was an aircraft factory in Tashkent, many Russians worked there by distribution, and now 75% of Russians previously living in Uzbekistan, they left for Russia and you want to tell us here that it’s just that and everyone lies around, except for you, of course ... Well, well ...
      5. Serg65
        Serg65 April 6 2016 06: 03
        +1
        Quote: Sarma
        There was an aircraft factory in Tashkent, there were a lot of Russians working there, and now 75% of Russians who had previously lived in Uzbekistan left for Russia

        laughing I’ll even tell you where they left — to Ulyanovsk to Aviastar, and left because the Tashkent aircraft factory named after Chkalov didn’t have a job. 75% - these are high-class specialists, and Aviastar lured them and gave them a decent salary and housing.
        Quote: Sarma
        About a dozen people write to you here, and you make fun of them and call them liars, I think that in a personal meeting you will behave the same way and it will end with swearing and scuffle.

        Well, you, my dear, about a dozen people have a little bit vulgarized ... just three of them, including you, about scuffle ... if some guy calls my father, me and my sons half-breeds so naturally slam into their faces!
  2. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 19
    -3
    .. "I didn't live there .. I wasn't there .. but I heard .."
  3. de_monSher
    de_monSher April 5 2016 21: 25
    -2
    Well, this can be arranged, but God forbid you if he recognizes in you one of those who robbed his house, the taiga is big ... here is not yours, kishlak.


    Dude (well, or dude, horseradish will understand who you are. By style of writing, an old woman, all smelling of lavender). You should go to a fool, seem ... *) Maybe they will help you there, word of mouth ... *)
  4. Your friend
    Your friend April 5 2016 16: 22
    +8
    Quote: gray smeet
    I am Russian, from Tashkent - they did not kill Russians there. Provocateur! Tell me where you lived in Tashkent, and have you witnessed the massacre? Provocateur!

    It is strange, but then, what did the Russians rush from these glorious Central Asian republics? Probably from love big, loved too much. (((
  5. gray smeet
    gray smeet April 5 2016 16: 53
    -5
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: gray smeet
    I am Russian, from Tashkent - they did not kill Russians there. Provocateur! Tell me where you lived in Tashkent, and have you witnessed the massacre? Provocateur!

    It is strange, but then, what did the Russians rush from these glorious Central Asian republics? Probably from love big, loved too much. (((

    When there is nothing to answer in fact - we turn to general phrases with sarcasm - we know these troll techniques
  6. Your friend
    Your friend April 5 2016 16: 59
    +6
    Quote: gray smeet
    When there is nothing to answer in fact - we turn to general phrases with sarcasm - we know these troll techniques

    Faht that you yourself dumped from there.))))
  7. Serg65
    Serg65 April 6 2016 06: 05
    +1
    Quote: Your friend
    It is strange, but then, what did the Russians rush from these glorious Central Asian republics? Probably from love big, loved too much. (((

    When did Russian Russians rush from the glorious expanses of Russia to Moscow, probably also from great love for the capital? laughing
  8. saygon66
    saygon66 April 6 2016 15: 01
    0
    - The matter didn’t really get to the massacre of the Russian population ... And they left because the changes connected with the formation of the NATIONAL Uzbek state began ... Translation of all office work into the Uzbek language, which forced to study it perfectly, occupying leadership positions by the national cadres ... Well, there’s a lot more ... many of my friends who served then were offered to swear allegiance to the Republic of Uzbekistan - which, in the opinion of many, is unacceptable for the military, creeping Islamization, domestic nationalism did not add optimism either ...
    - But before the pogroms, such as occurred in relation to the Crimean Tatars and Turks, the Meskhetians didn’t get to ...
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  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 12
    -5
    Do not cut Russian !!! Do not touch them!
  • jamalena
    jamalena April 5 2016 23: 35
    -6
    You put this provocative little article in the ass, and do not make an elephant out of a fly. No need to repeat the same thing ten times. You can think of it - a horseradish provocateur
  • Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 April 5 2016 11: 56
    +8
    Do not tell tales that Russian and not only Russian blood did not spill on the outskirts of Russia during the collapse of the USSR. They want independence, let them devour a large spoon. I think we have nothing to do there now. When they trample on us, and they are sent, they will conquer again, but without any republics. Otherwise there will not be. WILD PEOPLES.

    And if all these Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. would understand that they would be defeated by the people would be more sense.
  • Your friend
    Your friend April 5 2016 12: 57
    +6
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: Sarma
    I'm without skis

    Well, put on your skis and plug the right ear with one finger so that you wouldn’t go through the draft in your head.

    Uma - the chamber. Weapons in the teeth and forth to Central Asia.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 5 2016 13: 45
      +1
      Quote: Your friend
      Uma - the chamber. Weapons in the teeth and forth to Central Asia.

      My friend, I’m already in Central Asia and my father is here (thank God for 92, still alive and well), and mother in this land, and grandfather with grandmother and grandmother and great-grandfather laid his head in 41 near Lviv. And gentlemen, Vlasovites will tell you one thing, selling the Motherland for 30 silver coins is not worth it, human blood just doesn’t flow like that, it will definitely return to the one who shed it.
  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 20: 54
    -4
    It seems that the rules on this site are forbidden to breed ethnic hatred? And the comments of this individual just pull on this.
  • Metoclopramide
    Metoclopramide April 5 2016 10: 50
    +3
    Link to an article about the genocide of the Russian population in: Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia. There is a good saying in Russia - “No matter how much a black dog is mine, he won't become white from that.” This is how the animals will not wash away from their crimes.http: //www.rusichi-center.ru/e/3171295-genotsid-russkih-belaya-knig
    a-pamyati
  • Nonna
    Nonna April 5 2016 11: 24
    +10
    http://www.rusichi-center.ru/e/3171295-genotsid-russkih-belaya-kniga-pamyati. Читайте о геноциде русских в республиках. И если еще поищете в инете, то найдется много информации. Жила с родителями в Казахстане, сейчас город называется Актау -был Шевченко.Город строился под урановые рудники, нефть большой роли не играла. Много заводов химпереработки, АЭС. Все казахи убили - всю промышленность, рудники закрыты,заводы ржавеют, осталась нефть - площади, построенные при Союзе, торгашество и АЭС, где работают только русские. Потому-что завезенная орда каракалпаков не способна окончить даже 10 классов.Вплоть до 2010 года казахи ходили с плакатами - русские в Россию.Китайцы купили их с потрохами и дают работу только своим. И я уж насмотрелась на этих националистов досыта, которые просто своими фибрами души ненавидят русских. Нужно было там пожить, чтобы говорить о братстве и вечной дружбе. У России должны быть только жесткие геополитические интересы и защита собственного населения. Все остальное - это проблемы индейцев, которые шерифа не волнуют.
  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 20: 51
    -6
    Somehow they joked in KVN .. -For the sake of a red word, Pavlik somehow surrendered his father.
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan April 5 2016 16: 46
    -1
    Dear I live In Uzbekistan, the city of Fergana. And I’m not accustomed to lie. Nobody drove anyone from Uzbekistan. Indeed, a large number of Russian-speaking people left Uzbekistan, this was only due to the fact that the huge number of factories in Uzbekistan where they worked were closed and there was nowhere to work. Therefore, they left here.

    And we also know the attitude towards the Russian-speaking people who left for their historic homeland in Russia when they cannot receive 20 years of citizenship of their homeland.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 17: 01
      +4
      Quote: Turkestan
      Dear I live In Uzbekistan, the city of Fergana. And I’m not accustomed to lie. Nobody drove anyone from Uzbekistan. Indeed, a large number of Russian-speaking people left Uzbekistan, this was only due to the fact that the huge number of factories in Uzbekistan where they worked were closed and there was nowhere to work. Therefore, they left here

      Dear, Russia also closed a huge number of factories and there was nowhere to work. So what?
      Quote: Turkestan
      And we also know the attitude towards the Russian-speaking people who left for their historic homeland in Russia when they cannot receive 20 years of citizenship of their homeland.

      What are you, right 20 years can not? Oh trouble, but you know better in Uzbekistan.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 April 6 2016 15: 20
      0
      - Stop using the word "Russian-speaking" on this site - this is a disgusting invention of the "parade of independence"!
      - In 92 (I can be mistaken) in the Government of R.U. a proposal was submitted to form an official organization that would represent the interests of the Russian population of Uzbekistan ... Following the example of the then formed societies of Koreans, Tatars, Turks, etc.
      - Then, in the wording of the refusal, this geek word appeared: "We do not have Russians - there are Russian-speaking ..."
      - Yes, no one openly kicked them out ... but very many made efforts to ensure that the Russians "left for their Russia."
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  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 20: 50
    -4
    Bad you know Uzbeks. Well, during the war years here, our orphanages found a second homeland. And problems and excesses are everywhere.
  • Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 April 5 2016 11: 51
    +8
    The Russians had to return in due time, to come to Russia, as well as my family from the city of Baku. For 25 years, this could be done, a whole generation has grown from the collapse of the USSR. All the Russians who stayed to live in the former republics will not be protected, this is not possible in principle. Who wants to protect the Russians in Central Asia let him send his son there or go to defend himself.
    The Russians had to make their choice a long time ago.
  • avt
    avt April 5 2016 08: 49
    -4
    Quote: Sarma
    For me, this does not concern Russia

    wassat Well, now, according to the methodology according to which all the liberalizing at once called out, start about the fact that you need to do internal affairs, raise "the economy, well, probably according to the program" 500 days "from the party of Boldyrev Lukin Yavlinsky. that's on kind of foreign policy. fool
    Quote: Sarma
    Uzbekistan does not have its own Gantamirov, nor was there.

    Have you been looking for him? And in the absence of, well, as a result of searches, tried to do? USy here Karay from the American restaurant brought and nothing - sat like taxied. Uzbeks can not be found in Russia? laughing
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 5 2016 09: 14
      +10
      start about the fact that you need to be engaged in internal affairs ,,, to raise "the economy, well, probably according to the program" 500 days "from the party of Boldyrev Lukin Yavlinsky., and then-oh-oh, already do something like foreign policy.

      You are right, I wanted to write it myself, but you have already expressed it. As for the possible "hot spots" in Central Asia, they never disappeared, they only calmed down for an indefinite time. The newly-minted bai of these republics simply realized long ago that England, which has its own views, is no longer needed to support their trousers, but it is possible, under the guise of loyalty, to slowly milk Russia.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: avt
      Have you been looking for him?

      Hello shark pen hi , you read his comments, this is the admiral, and the fighter for the independence of the Kurds, and the Minister of Defense, and the fighter with corruption, and in the end a connoisseur of Central Asia! Wunderkind and not a child bully
    3. user
      user April 5 2016 11: 16
      +10
      Well now, according to the training manual on which all the liberals invoked at once, start about what you need to do internal affairs


      Maybe he certainly exaggerates, but not much. But the biggest problem for the Russian Federation, in my opinion, will happen after Nazarbayev’s departure. Then we’ll see what will happen to the most calm and reliable partner.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 6 2016 06: 10
        +1
        Quote: user
        But the biggest problem for the Russian Federation, in my opinion, will happen after Nazarbayev’s departure. Then we’ll see

        The biggest problem for the Russian Federation will happen after Putin leaves.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 April 6 2016 06: 40
        +1
        Quote: user
        But the biggest problem for the Russian Federation, in my opinion, will happen after Nazarbayev’s departure. Then we’ll see

        The biggest problem for the Russian Federation will happen after Putin leaves.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 05
    +1
    Quote: Sarma
    .All of these former Soviet republics organized pogroms of the Russian population on their territory and are equally disgusting to me

    Well, first of all, Mr. "Acting Admiral Oktyabrsky", there were no pogroms of the Russian population in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, so do not fantasize!
    Quote: Sarma
    They wanted independence from Russia and got it, so let them live in their own country as they want

    Secondly, the population of these republics for the most part at one time voted to preserve the USSR, and they became independent thanks to Bora Yeltsin. all the more, once in Kyrgyzstan you will be surprised at the abundance of villages with Russian names.
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 April 5 2016 11: 01
      +13
      1992, the city of Taldy-Korgan, Gagarin street. My uncle, an officer of the USSR Armed Forces with his family, lived there for more than 7 years until that moment, until strong Kazakh guys in tracksuits came and explained in pure Russian that even today you can pick up your things and get away "to your Russia", otherwise Tomorrow we'll come to cut our heads ... Well, according to his stories, they were still polite Natsiks, they warned them in advance. They collected the money they could, and flew to Rostov at night. There were no pogroms, you say? wink
      1. Metoclopramide
        Metoclopramide April 5 2016 11: 27
        +1
        They lie about the fact that in the republics of the USSR there were no pogroms of the Russian population because they themselves have a snout in the gun, half-breeds, or in general from Russophobes who have come to Russia in large numbers. They now live in an apartment deprived of the Russians, in some Baku apartment, but they themselves come to the Russian Federation, or have already moved for permanent residence to the `` Russian occupants '' they hate, so they are afraid to remember their old rotten deeds, but no one has forgotten the blood they shed and will not forget.http: //blognews.am/eng /news/31873/genocid-russkikh-v-baku.html
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet April 5 2016 12: 18
          -2
          If you walk through Russian cemeteries (in Russia!) And look for the graves of the 90s - the boys were put there - not one motto, without any genocide in the former republics! In the republics it was even easier to find the extreme - Russia and Russian! Together we all need to judge Gorbachev, Yeltsin and sentence the hunchback to execution, Yeltsin’s anathema, and again we are building a center for Yeltsin! And about Gorbachev’s programs we’re shooting! negative Do not look for enemies there !!!! You honor those heroes !!! And here you can’t write off the former republics - we have built the center ourselves, we ourselves are applauding Gorby!
          1. Metoclopramide
            Metoclopramide April 5 2016 12: 40
            +1
            The guilt of a drunk EBN does not remove the guilt from animals that staged pogroms of the Russian population
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 April 5 2016 13: 55
          +1
          Quote: Metoclopramide
          They lie about the fact that in the republics of the USSR there were no pogroms of the Russian population because they themselves had a snout in the cannon, half-breeds, or in general from Russophobes who came in large numbers to Russia

          My great-grandfather from the peasants of Voronezh wasn’t for this reason that Simerechye mastered in the 19 century that in the 21 century such a fascist as you called his descendants half-bloods, such as you ruined a great country and in the rest of Russia are ready to tear the throats of the same Russian who disagree with you, so who enemy of Russia? Are you Hitler’s extortion or am I trying to keep the Russian spirit on the fragments of great Russia?
          1. Metoclopramide
            Metoclopramide April 5 2016 14: 50
            +1
            And now I’ll tell you how it really was.In the Fergana massacre you personally participated, you yourself confessed and people like you raged more than others, because some of your ancestors are Russian, which means you are not purebred Uzbeks and with your atrocities you wanted to show that you are real Uzbeks, not related to the `` Russian occupants '', you tried to prove your loyalty to the new government with your atrocities. You, like all the nationalities who separated from Russia, believed that you would start eating on gold as soon as you separated from Russia ... but your hands are not the same and your head is not the same, and you have a lousy medieval poverty-stricken village ... Then you realized that among Uzbek Natsiks you are still second class, because some of your ancestors are Russian, and after the Russians left you did not have money, a scribe came to the economy. And you went to Russia, remembering your distant Russian relatives, but in your heart you still remained wild visitors from the wild 'village'. But you don’t need to call me a fascist, we have already heard that. All of you are fascists who tell you the truth, or beat you in the face for your rudeness. After all, if you beat a Russian, this is like always hooliganism, but if you get punched in the face for your insolence, then you immediately begin to call everyone fascists. Narusova, too, like `` Russian fascism '' fought, and now she supports the Bandera supporters with her daughter. That's how you are, a typical Nazi from among those who separated from Russia and came in large numbers for money in Russia you hate national men.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 5 2016 16: 53
              +1
              Quote: Metoclopramide
              And now I’ll tell you how it really was. In the Fergana massacre you personally participated, you yourself confessed and people like you raged more than others, because some of your ancestors are Russian, which means you are not purebred Uzbeks. and with your atrocities you wanted to show that you are real Uzbeks, not related to the `` Russian occupiers '', you tried to prove your loyalty to the new government with your atrocities

              Along the way, someone broke the gate in the madhouse, or do you swallow the wheels besides zigs?
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 5 2016 17: 07
                +4
                Quote: Serg65
                in addition to zigs, you also swallow wheels

                Except "zigov" ??? What are "zigi" and how can they be swallowed?)))
          2. Your friend
            Your friend April 5 2016 16: 24
            +3
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Metoclopramide
            They lie about the fact that in the republics of the USSR there were no pogroms of the Russian population because they themselves had a snout in the cannon, half-breeds, or in general from Russophobes who came in large numbers to Russia

            My great-grandfather from the peasants of Voronezh wasn’t for this reason that Simerechye mastered in the 19 century that in the 21 century such a fascist as you called his descendants half-bloods, such as you ruined a great country and in the rest of Russia are ready to tear the throats of the same Russian who disagree with you, so who enemy of Russia? Are you Hitler’s extortion or am I trying to keep the Russian spirit on the fragments of great Russia?

            Dude just blew something or chewed it. I haven’t seen so much delirium for a long time.)))
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 5 2016 16: 35
              -3
              Dude just blew something or chewed it. I haven’t seen so much delirium for a long time.)))


              With a "friend" like you, dude, you don't need enemies -


              I haven’t seen so much delirium for a long time.))


              It reassures you only that you, in your own words, are constantly in a post-delusional or delusional state - you constantly see delirium, little or much, it does not matter ... *)))
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 5 2016 16: 47
                +5
                Quote: de_monSher
                With a "friend" like you, dude, you don't need enemies -

                Oh no. I’m your real friend, you just don’t see it.)))
                Quote: de_monSher
                It reassures you only that you, in your own words, are constantly in a post-delusional or delusional state - you constantly see delirium, little or much, it does not matter ... *)))

                I understand that you are not native to Russian, but I wrote that you are raving. Sorry.)))
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 10
                  -3
                  Oh no. I’m your real friend, you just don’t see it.)))


                  I am an absolutely friendly creature, and I have no doubt that you are the same. It's just that you, as always, glide along the surface, not understanding the essence of what was said to you ... *)

                  I understand that you are not native to Russian, but I wrote that you are raving. Sorry.)))


                  Nuuuuu ... about the fact that the Russian language is not native to me - I will be modestly silent, realizing that you, as always, are wrong by definition ... *)
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend April 5 2016 17: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: de_monSher
                    I am an absolutely friendly creature, and I have no doubt that you are the same. It’s just that you, as always, glide over the surface, I don’t understand the essence of what was said to you ... *)

                    Well. He himself admitted that you are a creature. And then below there he was offended when I called you a creature. Math sent.))))
                    Quote: de_monSher
                    Nuuuuu ... about the fact that the Russian language is not native to me - I will be modestly silent, realizing that you, as always, are wrong by definition ... *)

                    Of course I'm right. Because your sentence contains both grammatical and semantic errors.)))
                    1. de_monSher
                      de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 24
                      -3
                      Well. Himself admitted that you are a creature


                      Dude, how difficult it is with you, all the same ... *))) it’s kind of not stupid, you know how to press Claudia, you somehow put words into words - it seems to be interesting to talk with you. Okay, I’ll chew you up, since you don’t know how to digest it, I sent you, not for being, but just like that - in the course of life, so as not to bury too much ... *)

                      Of course I'm right. Because your sentence contains, as grammatical,


                      What did you want, dude? *)) When I write comments - and I always want to convey my emotions, expression, laugh-yoshki ... *) and when I write that the thread is serious, take a look, I change the style ... otherwise they don’t understand me, brothers in Peru, can you imagine ... *))
                    2. Your friend
                      Your friend April 5 2016 17: 30
                      +4
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Dude, how difficult it is with you, all the same ... *))) it’s kind of not stupid, you know how to press claudia, somehow you put words into words - it seems to be interesting to talk with you. Okay, I’ll chew you up, since you don’t know how to digest it - I sent you, not for the creature, but just like that - in the course of my life, so as not to bury too much ... *)

                      Oh no. You sent me, because you are a malleable animal.)))) And you were offended by the creature.)
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      What did you want, dude? *)) When I write comments - and I always want to convey my emotions, expression, laugh-yoshki ... *)

                      Dude, when you write comments, you write nonsense and no more.)))
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      and when I write that the thread is serious, estimate, I’m changing the style ... otherwise they don’t understand me, fellow writers, can you imagine ... *))

                      No, I can't imagine. You and "serious" ??? Well, you are lying zhezh, you cannot connect two words. Ahahaha ....
                    3. de_monSher
                      de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 36
                      -4
                      Oh no. You sent me, because you are a malleable animal.)))) And you were offended by the creature.)


                      Dude, you yourself admitted that you are my best friend. And since the relationship is mutual, I just have to show you your very problem as a Friend ... *)))

                      Your only problem is that you are trying to think for others. Throw this dead matter - get your thoughts better or something ... at least one in your head. It doesn’t hurt, believe me ... *) At the same time they tell you, they write one thing to you, and you continue to talk quite another ... *)))

                      No, I can't imagine. You and "serious" ??? Well, you are lying zhezh, you cannot connect two words. Ahahaha ....


                      Two words, too much for me. All the same, everything will spill over into the participle ... *)))

                      Dude, when you write comments, you write nonsense and no more.)))


                      Chuvachina, the forms of your delirium, we have already discussed, I realized that he surrounds you, even envelops you. I can’t fix this - your nonsense, you have to deal with him ... *))
                    4. Your friend
                      Your friend April 5 2016 17: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Dude, you yourself admitted that you are my best friend. And since the relationship is mutual, I just have to show you your very problem as a Friend ... *)))

                      You, as always, write nonsense. You called me the BEST friend, I'm modestly just your friend.)))
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Your only problem is that you are trying to think for others. Throw this dead matter - get your thoughts better or something ... at least one in your head. It doesn’t hurt, believe me ... *) At the same time they tell you, they write one thing to you, and you continue to talk quite another ... *)))

                      I was offended all the same. Well, why are you so offended by this "creature" ... well, do not be offended ...) He himself later confirmed that you are a "creature".)
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Two words, too much for me. All the same, everything will spill over into the participle ... *)))

                      Glad you acknowledge the problem. So you're on your way to recovery.)
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Chuvachin, the forms of your delirium, we have already discussed, I realized that he surrounds you, even envelops you. I can’t fix this - your nonsense, you have to deal with him ... *))

                      Are you delirious again, where did we "discuss the forms of my delusion"? And then how can a "serious" "fellow pen" write - that nonsense "surrounds, even envelops". This in itself is delusional. Aahahaha ....
                    5. de_monSher
                      de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 54
                      -3
                      This in itself is delusional. Aahahaha ...


                      Dude, sorry, a lot of work, it's time to run. Thank you for the "informative" conversation. Good luck ... *)))
                    6. Your friend
                      Your friend April 5 2016 17: 56
                      +6
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Dude, sorry, a lot of work, it's time to run. Thank you for the "informative" conversation. Good luck ... *)))

                      Hey, where are you going. But how to show me here exemplary trolling ??? What are you.
  • Zymran
    Zymran April 5 2016 11: 28
    -2
    1992 year, Taldy-Korgan city


    Population: 138 218 [2] people (2014)
    National composition
    Kazakhs (64,96%)
    Russians (25,47%)

    It’s strange. Since 22 of the year, and still a quarter of the population are Russians. sad
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      Population: 138 218 [2] people (2014)
      National composition
      Kazakhs (64,96%)
      Russians (25,47%)

      It’s strange. Since 22 of the year, and still a quarter of the population are Russians.

      What kind of nonsense, where is the data for 1992?
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 April 5 2016 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      It’s strange. Since 22 of the year, and still a quarter of the population are Russians.

      It is useless to Zurman, they were told to yap and yap, is Russia dear to them? Not a drop, they are alone naked on Russian soil and both eyes are already prowling behind a hillock!
      1. Your friend
        Your friend April 5 2016 16: 26
        +4
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Zymran
        It’s strange. Since 22 of the year, and still a quarter of the population are Russians.

        It is useless to Zurman, they were told to yap and yap, is Russia dear to them? Not a drop, they are alone naked on Russian soil and both eyes are already prowling behind a hillock!

        Ahahaha ... Ek burnt dude.))))
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 5 2016 11: 13
    +14
    Unfortunately, the squeezing of Russians from Asian republics, including in Kazakhstan, continues and intensifies every year.
  • begzod15_94
    begzod15_94 April 5 2016 14: 24
    -2
    I am very disgusted to read the muck that you composed. I myself am from Tajikistan. I know Russian better than my native Tajik. Half of my relatives Russians live and work quietly without any problems in Tajikistan. I am a student myself, studying in Germany. You have the right but your opinion, but think whether you possess sufficient information before you publish.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 16: 31
      +10
      Quote: begzod15_94
      I am very disgusted to read the muck that you composed. I myself am from Tajikistan. I know Russian better than my native Tajik. Half of my relatives Russians live and work quietly without any problems in Tajikistan. I am a student myself, studying in Germany. You have the right but your opinion, but think whether you possess sufficient information before you publish.

      How do you like this information. In 1989, there are about 400 thousand Russians in Tajikistan, and about 2010 thousand Russians in Tajikistan in 40. Well, it doesn’t work for the Russians to work quietly in Tajikistan, right? From the great Tajik love, the Russians escaped en masse from there.
      It is strange that all sorts of Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kirghiz massively reached out for the "occupiers" to Russia, rather than building prosperous, independent states at home.)))
    2. Kasym
      Kasym April 5 2016 17: 42
      -3
      As I remember, a wave of nationalism spread across the territory of the former USSR because of three people who signed the Belovezhskaya Agreements. If we had such lawlessness (to cut, take property, etc.), then why more than half of the Russians remained in Kazakhstan? I understand the reason for such "fairy tales" - you have to justify your move, and therefore come up with how horrible it was. We did not have revolutions and wars, so I could always apply to the prosecutor's office if someone violates your legal rights. Those who moved out were mainly those who came to some kind of all-Union construction site, either by assignment, or by work, etc.
      Nationalism will always be present, take at least the recent attitude of Russians towards Caucasians. And now many Russians support Kadyrov, and the same EBN did not even want to meet with Dudayev (and how much blood was shed afterwards). That now all Russians are nationalists to write down and blame them for the collapse of the USSR, or Ukrainians with Belarusians? In CA and RK you will not find those who would blame all the Slavs for the collapse of the country. After all, we have left the Central Asian countries alone with the spirits of Afghanistan. And this problem does not want to dissolve in any way, but which takes away a lot of forces and resources from the CA countries. And these "Nagorno-Karabakhs" of Central Asia surfaced due to the collapse of the country, but no one blames the Slavs (peoples) for this. hi
      1. Your friend
        Your friend April 5 2016 17: 54
        +4
        Quote: Kasym
        I understand the reason for such "fairy tales" - you have to justify your move, and therefore come up with how horrible it was

        Seriously? When you move from one place to another, you say that they killed you in the old place, you hated ... Hmm.
        Quote: Kasym
        Mostly those who came to some all-Union construction site, either by distribution, or by work, etc., moved out.

        Yeah? Those. out of 400 thousand Russians, 360 thousand left because they were building an all-Union construction site? Well, it happens.
        Quote: Kasym
        Nationalism will always be present, take at least the recent attitude of Russians towards Caucasians. And now many Russians support Kadyrov, but the EBN didn’t even want to meet Dudaev (and how much blood was spilled then). What is now all Russian nationalists to write down and blame them for the collapse of the USSR, or Ukrainians with Belarus?

        Chechen wars - were these nationalist wars by the Russians? We would get acquainted who fought there.
        Quote: Kasym
        In Central Asia and Kazakhstan you will not find those who would blame all the Slavs for the collapse of the country.

        I hope you didn’t write it seriously. It is enough to write Kazakh nationalists in Google and you will quite see a couple of Kazakh guys.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 5 2016 23: 29
          -2
          Someone needs to be pitied to help with work, housing, etc., and they come up with these tales (I write for the Republic of Kazakhstan, I can’t speak for others).
          16 mil. Lived in the Kazakh SSR, of which 40% were Russians (about 6,5 mil.), Now in the RK 17 mil., And according to statistics, 25% are Russians (more than 4 mil.). Why is there so much left, or have we selectively driven Russians here? Now we are leaving about 30 a year. Of the total number (even if only Russians leave), Russians are less than 000%. And from the total number of citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan it is much less than 1. Here is my childhood friend Sergei. We left because we arrived in the 1s because of my father’s work on the railway, and all my relatives live in the suburbs. I believe that the whole point is OUTLOOK. If a person has it at work or for some other reason, then he will strive for it. And if she’s not ..., they’re leaving for their native places. Moreover, it was about different countries. We had almost a million Germans. And it is clear that Germany cannot be compared with the Republic of Kazakhstan in terms of development - and less than 60 people remain.
          War and attitudes towards certain nationalities are two different things. I had in mind quite another - read my comment.
          I will repeat myself. Nationalism and nationalists will always be. But there must be a "red line", which is determined by the state. And in my opinion, in Kazakhstan, the issue of interethnic relations has not been "launched" by the authorities. For example, ANC and legislation. ANK (Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan), go to the site and a lot will open for you on this issue on the RK. Any oppression by nationality, religion, ethnicity sign; for inciting interethnic. discord - criminal articles. 50% of schools in the Republic of Kazakhstan are in Russian (although only 25% of Russians are an indicator of the attitude of the authorities; after all, in other republics there is no such thing), it is also the language of the international community. relations, which is spelled out in the Constitution. Half of the 30 students studying abroad study in Russia. Officials are REQUIRED to answer questions in the language in which they are addressed. Therefore, there are few Slavs and others in power, so sometimes from Russian to nat. the announcer on TV can be heard kaz. speech - the authorities promote knowledge 000 !!! languages. Kaz., Rus. and some foreign. By the way, Kazakhs call their Slavs their FOURTH ZHUZ. hi
          1. Kasym
            Kasym April 6 2016 00: 33
            -4
            Your friend, here are a couple of examples from my life. Slava, studied in a parallel class. He returned, and here is his verbatim statement. "It's better to live with our ma.mbets than with these bu.irls." I can swear on bread for his words. And what should I think that the Russians are all bu.irls (as you hearsay)? The man simply did not find himself there.
            Or my friend Gleb. He has a business perspective here. And when the parents with their younger brother decided to leave in the 90s, he responded. But several years passed and they ... returned. They did not find a job (doctors), it was bad with housing, "not that little mentality." And when they called here, they invited me to return to work at my "home clinic (hospital)" (and with my younger brother, who is also a doctor by education). Gleb bought them an apartment, wheels for his brother, so that he drove his mother. This is the kind of fate that happens.
            Or take that forum member who writes that he lived in the west of the Republic of Kazakhstan (Shevchenko). And then all the Kazakhs destroyed. Chemical plants, nuclear power plants, etc. .. But people do not understand that everything stopped not through our fault, but because of a lack of funds and non-payments - the USSR economy collapsed. People with no prospects naturally began to leave. Poles, Jews, Germans, Russians, Ukrainians, etc .. The staff left, and when it came to, then ... Like that Semipalatinsk BTT repair plant. Some walls without roofs and windows - my friend was engaged in the restoration of this plant. And now 600 people. it works ... the nuclear power plant was experimental on fast neutrons, and it did its job - in the Russian Federation this topic is now developing, we hope there will be a positive result. In the RK, they are thinking about building an industrial reactor ... If we look in general, we have overcome the level of the USSR in terms of GDP. In terms of population, too. So there are prospects for the country, so why should we divide and drive someone, all the more land per person no less than in Russia! hi
  • Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry April 5 2016 06: 57
    +5
    I wonder why this does not happen in the Western Hemisphere. Can we take and support Mexico in the return of the Arizona-Texas-Louisiana People's Republic?)
    1. baudolino
      baudolino April 5 2016 08: 30
      +1
      The Russian economy will not pull such floodlights.
      Yes, and it will be easier to maintain the independence of Texas or Hawaii or the Nigeria People's Republic with its capital in Ferguson.
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 April 5 2016 06: 57
    +9
    This is of course all sad, BUT ... you want independence, get it. Nobody kicked out of the Union? So mazuriki-bought horseradish, you have to eat ... and there is nothing to wind a snot on a fist, you have to pay for everything in this life, whether we want it or not.
    1. Pvi1206
      Pvi1206 April 5 2016 07: 47
      +6
      How quickly history is forgotten ...
      The USSR was ruined by the leaders of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus. No one asked the opinion of other republics ...
      1. Oorfene Deuce
        Oorfene Deuce April 5 2016 08: 05
        +3
        Quote: Pvi1206
        The USSR was ruined by the leaders of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus. No one asked the opinion of other republics

        I think the opinion of the rest would coincide with the opinion of this damned trinity ... The national-separatist sentiments in the republics were strong. Perhaps only Nazarbayev was glad for the preservation of the Union. He was simply confronted with a fact.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 19
          +1
          Quote: Oorfene Deuce
          I think

          And you do not think, you read the documents!
          1. Oorfene Deuce
            Oorfene Deuce April 5 2016 11: 35
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            And you do not think, you read the documents!

            Judging by the flag, you are from Kyrgyzstan. In 91 I lived in Bishkek, and you should know that Akayev took an unequivocal position. Here are the "documents" taken from the same Wikipedia:
            In August 1991, he sharply condemned the formation and actions of the Emergency Committee, which were accompanied by bloodshed (issued a series of decrees on boycotting the actions of the Emergency Committee in the territory of the Kyrgyz Republic). Together with the Supreme Council of the Kyrgyz Republic announced the declaration of independence of the Kyrgyz Republic.
            December 21, 1991 he arrived in Alma-Ata and took part in the creation of the CIS together with other presidents of the former Soviet republics; signed a number of international treaties and agreements to overcome the crisis.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 5 2016 14: 01
              +1
              Quote: Oorfene Deuce
              you should be aware that Akayev took an unequivocal position. Here are the "documents" taken from the same Wikipedia:

              Roma, my friend, where is Wikipedia and where am I ??? In Kyrgyzstan, out of 100% of towns and villages, only 10% received new Kyrgyz names! They treat Russians with respect and if the Russian wants to leave for Russia, neighbors ask them to stay.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 5 2016 16: 33
                +6
                Quote: Serg65
                Russians are treated with respect and if a Russian wants to leave for Russia, neighbors ask them to stay.

                It is strange that the Russians still want to leave for Russia, if the neighbors are so asked to stay .... ahahaha ....
          2. Your friend
            Your friend April 5 2016 13: 05
            +7
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Oorfene Deuce
            I think

            And you do not think, you read the documents!

            You not only don’t think about the campaign, but don’t read the documents either.)))
      2. guzik007
        guzik007 April 5 2016 10: 05
        +12
        How quickly history is forgotten ...
        The USSR was ruined by the leaders of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus. No one asked the opinion of other republics ...
        ---------------------------------
        Yes, indeed, history is quickly forgotten, and although the others were not asked for their opinions, they only massacred Russian-speakers exactly where they were not asked. It was now they realized that they had killed a chicken with golden eggs, when it turned out that everything was supported by our specialists, when the whole production was covered with a shaggy basin, when it turned out that they had plush armies too. and much more with the "when" prefix
      3. Metoclopramide
        Metoclopramide April 5 2016 10: 55
        +3
        Here it is not necessary to tell fairy tales. The first from the USSR were Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, then the republics of the Caucasus and Asia, and then Ukraine. It is in that order. And this is a reference to how Russians treated the former republics of the USSR in the late 80s and 90s. Http://maxpark.com/community/13/content/1745486
    2. de_monSher
      de_monSher April 5 2016 10: 17
      -5
      So mazuriki-bought horseradish, have to eat ...


      Russia was one of the first to leave the Union, and the countries of Central Asia were among the last. I personally don’t care about your attitude to my country, for example (Uzbekistan), it’s deeply your personal, sexual, religious, etc. business. Just no twist the story. That's all ... *)
      1. Metoclopramide
        Metoclopramide April 5 2016 11: 05
        +8
        Russia withdrew from the USSR as one of the last, and you (not Russians) were not robbed and killed in Russia, just as you killed and robbed Russians in the former Soviet republics, although you deserve it, if only because you robbed and killed Russians in your countries .http: //maxpark.com/community/13/content/1745486
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 5 2016 14: 59
          -5
          Russia withdrew from the USSR as one of the last, and you (not Russian) were not robbed and killed in Russia, just like Russians were killed and robbed in the former Soviet republics


          Russia celebrates Independence Day on June 12, (since 1990), Uzbekistan - on September 31 (since 1991). Initiated the collapse of the Union, officially, i.e. legally, three Slavic republics, in December - without consulting with any of the other republics.

          how Russians were killed and robbed in the former republics of the USSR, although you deserve it,


          Your ancestors, no one called to Uzbekistan, rob and kill people at the end of the 19th century. Nevertheless, your ancestors, with the help of military force captured the Turkestan region. Should you be billed for their actions? If I try to do this, you, I think, will run out with snot rivers and drooling bubbles. This time.

          Well, two, - after the 24th year, a completely different formation appeared - the USSR. And the USSR and Russia are definitely not the same thing. In essence, the emergence of the USSR allowed us, for example, Uzbeks to other inhabitants of Central Asia, to "forget" the atrocities of the Russian conquest of our countries. But in the late USSR, a lot of nationalist and religious thugs appeared (including in Uzbekistan), who, taking advantage of the moment, showed their rotten insides, began to divide people by nationality and religion, and then there were a lot of bandits who I couldn't give a fuck who to kill, whom to rob. And it was everywhere, and in your Russia. If you really want to constantly dig into this bullshit - I can't do anything here - your right, even a sacred duty. For God's sake - live on in this rot. At us, in Uzbekistan, now, thank God, such things are nipped in the bud and very tough. And, which is encouraging, since the late 90s, we have not had such performances, and are not expected.

          Like that...
          1. Your friend
            Your friend April 5 2016 16: 35
            +6
            Quote: de_monSher
            Nobody called your ancestors to Uzbekistan to rob and kill people at the end of the 19th century. Nevertheless, your ancestors, with the help of military force captured the Turkestan region. Should you be billed for their actions? If I try to do this, you, I think, will run out with snot rivers and drooling bubbles. This time.

            Here it is .... I have no more questions.)))
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 5 2016 16: 38
              -5
              Here it is .... I have no more questions.)))


              Do you know how to ask questions? *))
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 5 2016 16: 51
                +8
                Quote: de_monSher
                Do you know how to ask questions? *))

                You got a head problem, dude. I wrote in Russian that "I have no more questions." You ask me the question "and you also know how to ask questions." It's sad, you need to see a doctor.))))
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 13
                  -5
                  You got a headache, man.


                  And you, as I already noted above, have problems understanding the essence of things ... *)) As always, you did not understand the question - however, I am not surprised, you are in your repertoire ... *)
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend April 5 2016 17: 17
                    +4
                    Quote: de_monSher
                    You got a headache, man.


                    And you, as I already noted above, have problems understanding the essence of things ... *)) As always, you did not understand the question - however, I am not surprised, you are in your repertoire ... *)

                    Dude, let's not resist, but go to the doctor right now. I hope it's not too late. Do you understand how I care about you? I'm your friend.)))
                    1. de_monSher
                      de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 28
                      -4
                      Do you understand how I care about you? I'm your friend.)))


                      I am amazed, flattered, appreciated and finally - I can’t convey my condition ... *))) Friend ... such care ... such an experience about me on your part ... *)))
                      1. Your friend
                        Your friend April 5 2016 17: 32
                        +6
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        I am amazed, flattered, appreciated and finally - I can’t convey my condition ... *))) Friend ... such care ... such an experience about me on your part ... *)))

                        Yes, I am like this. All I am in my nickname. I can not pass by the orphans and the wretched.)
                      2. de_monSher
                        de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 43
                        -5
                        Yes, I am like this. All I am in my nickname. I can not pass by the orphans and the wretched.)


                        And the halo didn’t roll behind your collar, by any chance? Are there winged sandals on your feet? *))) In general, we go together to the doctors - in a friendly way. One institution will be all the same - you will just be treated for megalomania, and I will observe, purely out of professional interest ... *)))
        2. Sarma
          Sarma April 5 2016 23: 29
          -1
          And if you are required to return the cost of factories, residential buildings, universities, hospitals and other things that Russia has built in Uzbekistan, then your descendants will have to pay for another 1000 years. Now you have plague, typhus and a lousy population again ... In the 19th century, since you are from the descendants of the Basmachi, then there are no more questions, just don’t be offended by the Russians, who don’t want to see you in Russia after what you did to the Russians in their “Uzbekistan”. You separated, so you live at home, you do not need to impose your society on the `` Russian occupants '' you hate on their land. Everything that such as you touch turns into a dirty kishlak. You have turned Uzbekistan into a dirty kishlak, so you live in that You don't need to bring your dirt to Russia in a pigsty that you have arranged for yourself. Russia does not need people with Russophobia who have no idea about decent behavior, personal hygiene and who do not want to comply with the laws of the Russian Federation. You wanted independence, you got it, so enjoy her in her historical homeland.
    3. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 13: 10
      +7
      Quote: de_monSher
      So mazuriki-bought horseradish, have to eat ...


      Russia was one of the first to leave the Union, and the countries of Central Asia were among the last. I personally don’t care about your attitude to my country, for example (Uzbekistan), it’s deeply your personal, sexual, religious, etc. business. Just no twist the story. That's all ... *)

      Some kind of nonsense. And this creature still requires - "do not misinterpret the story"? Ahahaha .....
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парад_суверенитетов
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher April 5 2016 15: 58
        -4
        Some kind of nonsense. And this creature still requires - "do not misinterpret the story"? Ahahaha .....
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парад_суверенитетов


        And you yourself read that link that they threw to me? Or are you always ready to attribute your problems to others?

        PS: And yet, dude, I haven’t touched you yet, but I can when I confirm my stupidity. So be kind, communicate on be kind, and from my side there will be the same attitude. Frets?
        1. Your friend
          Your friend April 5 2016 16: 37
          +6
          Quote: de_monSher
          And you yourself read that link that they threw to me? Or are you always ready to attribute your problems to others?

          Of course, I have the ability to read, what I cite as evidence, but what? Do you have a problem with this?
          Quote: de_monSher
          And yet, dude, I haven’t touched you yet, but I can when I confirm my stupidity.

          A meaningless sentence, some kind of nonsense.)))
          Quote: de_monSher
          So be kind, communicate on be kind, and from my side there will be the same attitude. Frets?

          I do not want.)))
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher April 5 2016 16: 42
            -6
            I do not want.)))


            Well then go nah then, what's the problem then? *))
            1. Your friend
              Your friend April 5 2016 17: 03
              +5
              Quote: de_monSher
              Well then go nah then, what's the problem then? *))

              Fu, but I thought he was going to troll me. And it turned out to be just a malleable animal.)))
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 15
                -4
                And it turned out to be just a malleable animal.)))


                I am friendly ... *))) Not to insult, but to speed up understanding ... *)))
                1. Your friend
                  Your friend April 5 2016 17: 18
                  +5
                  Quote: de_monSher
                  I am friendly ... *))) Not to insult, but to speed up understanding ... *)))

                  Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Your poor friends.))))
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 30
                    -5
                    Your poor friends.))))


                    Poor you, I feel sorry for you, I swear ... You're the best of my friends ... *))) = burst into tears =.
                    1. Your friend
                      Your friend April 5 2016 17: 33
                      +6
                      Quote: de_monSher
                      Poor you, I feel sorry for you, I swear ... You're the best of my friends ... *))) = burst into tears =.

                      Here it is. And tie up with a mat. Although you are a malleable animal, I am now your best friend and wish you only good.)
                      Hey, where did you go, did you promise to troll me? Not good.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 5 2016 07: 42
    -2
    And there is only one way out .. Again, you need to get together .. Forget that you are an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz, etc. and remember that you are a citizen of one big country .. Once it was like that .. and together we stood up against a big trouble ..
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 5 2016 08: 12
      -3
      Quote: parusnik
      that you are a citizen of one big country.

      What is it?
    2. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce April 5 2016 08: 22
      +7
      With the collapse of the USSR, the former fraternal republics began to squabble among themselves like dogs, which once again proves that without a single center, such conflicts have little chance of being resolved. But it is unlikely that the political "elite" of the national republic will agree to the USSR 2.0 ... After all, this is fraught with cuts and the loss of powers. It is better for them to be a petty prince in their domain than one of the leaders in a large and strong country. Only a great danger from outside and the expression of the will of the entire people (as in South Ossetia) can resolve this issue.
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 April 5 2016 10: 08
      +9
      And there is only one way out .. Again, you need to get together .. Forget that you are an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz, etc. and remember that you are a citizen of one big country .. Once it was like that .. and together we stood up against a big trouble ..
      -----------------------------------------
      Late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys are rotted. A whole generation has already replaced it. With a completely alien mentality, absolute ignorance of the language and a bunch of other things to boot. Yes, and do not want to.
    4. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 April 5 2016 12: 07
      +9
      It doesn’t work out, cynical as it may seem, but too little of their blood was shed, those who cut Russian. They have not received answers from the Russians yet, therefore they will continue their actions further. But I don’t want to get together with such people, you know. Why do I need them ?.
    5. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 13: 11
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      And there is only one way out .. Again, you need to get together .. Forget that you are an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz, etc. and remember that you are a citizen of one big country .. Once it was like that .. and together we stood up against a big trouble ..

      As you already got your united country. For me, my country is Russia. For all the other "brotherly" countries, I do not care deeply.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 5 2016 07: 44
    -1
    War is not the best way to resolve disagreements between countries.
    But when the agreement fails for a long time, it still begins.
    It's like an abscess: if he has already matured, then you need to open it, after which recovery will begin.
    So you can describe the situation in some former republics of the USSR.
  • dmitrii.safonov.dm
    dmitrii.safonov.dm April 5 2016 08: 32
    +2
    Quote: Pvi1206
    War is not the best way to resolve disagreements between countries.
    But when the agreement fails for a long time, it still begins.
    It's like an abscess: if he has already matured, then you need to open it, after which recovery will begin.
    So you can describe the situation in some former republics of the USSR.

    The fact is that if you open the abscess incorrectly, it threatens gangrene !!!! I, as a resident of Central Asia for 19 years, is tormented by another question !!!! Well, why didn’t there be such disputes and conflicts earlier !!!! We lived together, worked too !!! And how many international families there were !!!!
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: dmitrii.safonov.dm
      19 years of life in Central Asia torment me with another question !!!! Well, why didn’t there be such disputes and conflicts !!!!

      These thoughts also visit me! After all, the sarts have always been at odds with the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, as the Soviet government managed to reconcile them, that’s the question !!!!
      1. Your friend
        Your friend April 5 2016 13: 13
        +6
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: dmitrii.safonov.dm
        19 years of life in Central Asia torment me with another question !!!! Well, why didn’t there be such disputes and conflicts !!!!

        These thoughts also visit me! After all, the sarts have always been at odds with the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, as the Soviet government managed to reconcile them, that’s the question !!!!

        Yes, what are your thoughts there.))) The Soviet government simply postponed the conflict, that's all. The hatred of nations did not go away anywhere, as soon as the power weakened, everything shit climbed out.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 5 2016 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: Your friend
          The hatred of nations did not go away anywhere, as soon as the power weakened, everything shit climbed out.

          buddy, I’ll tell you one clever idea, just don’t be offended ... in the Soviet Army, the most united community was from Central Asia and Kazakhstan and it doesn’t matter who you were from Pavlodar, Kazakh from Dzhambul, Korean from Frunze, Uighur from Alma - Ata, Tatar from Arys, Uzbek from Tashkent, Pole from Chimkent, Dungan from Tokmok, Russian, Ukrainian, Dargin, Chechen, Turk, Bukhara Jew. We were all fellow countrymen from Asia !!!!! But the Muscovite from Kuzmink and the Muscovite from Khimki at the same table did not when did not sit down! And you tell me about the hatred of peoples!
          1. Your friend
            Your friend April 5 2016 16: 42
            +5
            Quote: Serg65
            my friend, I’ll tell you one clever idea, just don’t be offended ...!

            Well no. I’m not offended by stupidity.)))
            Quote: Serg65
            .In the Soviet Army, the most cohesive fraternity was from Central Asia and Kazakhstan and it does not matter who you were: German from Pavlodar, Kazakh from Dzhambul, Korean from Frunze, Uigur from Alma-Ata, Tatar from Arys, Uzbek from Tashkent, Pole from Chimkent , Dungan from Tokmok, Russian, Ukrainian, Dargin, Chechen, Turk, Bukhara Jew, we were all fellow countrymen from Asia !!!!! But the Muscovite from Kuzmink and the Muscovite from Khimki at the same table did not when did not sit down! And you tell me about the hatred of peoples!

            You have some kind of stream of consciousness. Do not tell tales, I grew up in military garrisons and I know that soldiers have always had problems on a national basis. From the killing by guards of their colleagues, to the escapes of soldiers from the unit.
            Well, how are these "fellow countrymen" doing now? How does a countryman from Kyrgyzstan cut a countryman from Uzbekistan now? How does an Armenian countryman now dearly love an Azerbaijani countryman? How does a Ukrainian brother love his Russian brother?)))
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 5 2016 16: 47
              -4
              . Do not tell tales, I grew up in military garrisons and I know that soldiers have always had problems on a national basis.


              You lived, it turns out, in the most sloppy garrisons (I also grew up in distant garrisons), and if the commander is a bullshit, then he also has the same part, bullshit. And here I am, lucky where my Father served, there was always an exemplary order, and no excesses, on all kinds of idiotic, national, religious, etc. soils ... *)))
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 5 2016 17: 06
                +6
                Quote: de_monSher
                You lived, it turns out, in the most sloppy garrisons (I also grew up in distant garrisons), and if the commander is a bullshit, then he also has the same part, bullshit. And here I am, lucky where my Father served, there was always an exemplary order, and no excesses, on all kinds of idiotic, national, religious, etc. soils ... *)))

                Ahahaha. There were no slop garrisons in the SA. It’s time to know. And it writes, a man with a Soviet flag. Where are we going ???)))
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 20
                  -4
                  Ahahaha. There were no slop garrisons in the SA


                  As a child, how many times have you dropped your head on a cement floor, admit honestly only? *))) Where there is better, there is always worse, simple dialectics, dude, or are you unfamiliar with her? .. *)))
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend April 5 2016 17: 25
                    +5
                    Quote: de_monSher
                    As a child, how many times have you dropped your head on a cement floor, admit honestly only? *)))

                    And this is called trolling? Kindergarten.))))
                    Quote: de_monSher
                    Where there is better, there is always worse, simple dialectics, dude, or are you unfamiliar with her? .. *)))

                    Oh well, I thought you were smart, and you turned out to be a loser.
                    Dialectics is a dilosophical science of the universal laws of movement and development of nature, human society and thinking, a scientific method of cognition of the ever-moving and changing phenomena of nature and society by revealing internal contradictions and the struggle of opposites, leading to a jump-like transition from one quality to another.
                    Where is the definition in this "where there is the best, there is always the worst"?))))
                    1. de_monSher
                      de_monSher April 5 2016 17: 52
                      -4
                      Where is the definition in this "where there is the best, there is always the worst"?))))


                      Let’s pick up your quotes or something like a true loser ... *))

                      this is a dilosophical science of the universal laws of motion


                      scientific method of cognition of ever-moving and changing natural phenomena


                      society through the opening of internal contradictions and the struggle of opposites, leading to a jump-like transition from one quality to another.


                      I quote you, agree? *)) Draw conclusions? I'll do it ...

                      Where my Father got to, and indirectly - I, after "revealing internal contradictions" and a serious "struggle of opposites", there was a "jump-like transition" into a state of harmony. People did not bully each other, they lived together, regardless of nationality, color of priests, etc.

                      There, where did you get to, what happened was what you noted in one of your comments above - in general, a complete mess ensued, soldiers killed each other on ethnic, religious and other grounds ... *))

                      Dude, thanks, damn it ... *) how well you wrote everything for me ... *)
                      1. Your friend
                        Your friend April 5 2016 18: 05
                        +4
                        No, no, dude won't do that. "Where there is the best, there is always the worst" - this is not dialectics, and does not fit the quotations from the definition of dialectics. As you don’t pull the owl on the globe, as you were a poor student on the campaign, you stayed with them.)
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        got my father

                        Cheat ????
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        and indirectly

                        Do you even understand the meaning of the words you use ??? Wahahahaha ...
                        .
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        I, after "revealing internal contradictions" and a serious "struggle of opposites", there was a "jump-like transition" into a state of harmony. People did not bully each other, they lived together, regardless of nationality, color of priests, etc.

                        What are you talking about? What kind of stream of thoughts? Friend, tie up, go to the doctor before it's too late.))))
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        There, where did you get to, what happened was what you noted in one of your comments above - in general, a complete mess ensued, soldiers killed each other on ethnic, religious and other grounds ... *))

                        Believe the dialectic has not happened? Ahahahaha .....
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        Dude, thanks, damn it ... *) how well you wrote everything for me ... *)

                        Sure, not a problem. Contact me again. I will try to help you, all the same, people like you do not live sweetly.)))
                      2. de_monSher
                        de_monSher April 5 2016 20: 30
                        -6
                        Quote: de_monSher
                        got my father

                        Cheat ????


                        It turned out to be a beautiful typo, a purely cinematic cliché - “mine is yours, don’t understand!” ... *))) it is not surprising, given your cliché thinking, that you reacted this way ... *)))
    2. miru mir
      miru mir April 5 2016 21: 25
      -1
      Quote: Serg65
      how the Soviet government managed to reconcile them, that’s the question

      First a whip, then a carrot) And there, people looked, but it's good to live in friendship ...
  • baudolino
    baudolino April 5 2016 08: 36
    +3
    In the XNUMXth century, Russia calmed the unstable outskirts by conquering the natives and introducing them to civilization. Now this will not roll. Now we have to reckon with China.
    1. avt
      avt April 5 2016 08: 52
      -2
      Quote: baudolino
      . Now we have to reckon with China.

      But this factor is quiet, but oh-oh-very serious! The Chinese, in contrast to Russia, give loans on the security of very specific nishtyaks, and not for "say state" for an empty piece like "we will fix you".
  • Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk April 5 2016 09: 09
    +1
    There is only one thing to be done there - to introduce external control.
    As it was under the Soviet Union.
    Born, raised, lived in Tashkent. He rode around all the republics. I picked cotton from the 8 class.
    I can well imagine the mentality of the local bottling "leaders".
    That’s why I think that they themselves can never do anything — neither agree, nor really fight.
    It's nothing.
    They always want to be "alpha males", but ... when there are too many such alpha males in a flock, they all turn out to be flawed.
    A direct analogy with the current non-stale ... there are also only alpha males .... and all the buggers. Without exception. With external control.
    ...
    So it turns out - if you're not alpha ... then you are quite amenable to the trainer.
    ...
    There are trainers, by the way, enough. What is from Afghanistan, what is from China.
    That because of okiyana - the most cunning trainer.
    ...
    In any case, as I see it, Russia has blown through Central Asia with a bang. Regrettably.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 5 2016 10: 28
      +1
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      Born, raised, lived in Tashkent. He rode around all the republics. I picked cotton from the 8 class.
      I can well imagine the mentality of the local bottling "leaders".

      If you were born in Asia, then probably remember that the director was local and his deputy is always Russian, and this is from the 1 secretary to the chairman of the collective farm.
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      In any case, as I see it, Russia has blown through Central Asia with a bang. Regrettably.

      But this is true !!! The situation immediately took advantage of the United States, Turkey and China.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 April 6 2016 16: 14
        -1
        - But this is true ... Such was the national policy in the Union .... The first leader (usually) from the local ...
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  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 5 2016 09: 24
    +1
    Quote: Shiva83483
    This is of course all sad, BUT ... you want independence, get it. Nobody kicked out of the Union? So mazuriki-bought horseradish, you have to eat ... and there is nothing to wind a snot on a fist, you have to pay for everything in this life, whether we want it or not.

    It was with kicks that the leaders of the Russian Federation, Belorussia and Ukraine drove out signing a Wed paper in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
  • Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 April 5 2016 10: 45
    0
    Those wishing to unite in the Collective Security Treaty Organization joined, but those who did not want to join the CSTO set up airfields handed over to ddos.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 5 2016 11: 32
    +1
    Quote: Nonna
    http://www.rusichi-center.ru/e/3171295-genotsid-russkih-belaya-kniga-pamyati. Читайте о геноциде русских в республиках. И если еще поищете в инете, то найдется много информации. Жила с родителями в Казахстане, сейчас город называется Актау -был Шевченко.Город строился под урановые рудники, нефть большой роли не играла. Много заводов химпереработки, АЭС. Все казахи убили - всю промышленность, рудники закрыты,заводы ржавеют, осталась нефть - площади, построенные при Союзе, торгашество и АЭС, где работают только русские. Потому-что завезенная орда каракалпаков не способна окончить даже 10 классов.Вплоть до 2010 года казахи ходили с плакатами - русские в Россию.Китайцы купили их с потрохами и дают работу только своим. И я уж насмотрелась на этих националистов досыта, которые просто своими фибрами души ненавидят русских. Нужно было там пожить, чтобы говорить о братстве и вечной дружбе. У России должны быть только жесткие геополитические интересы и защита собственного населения. Все остальное - это проблемы индейцев, которые шерифа не волнуют.

    Do you want to talk about the zigging Russian skinhead Nazis? In your rhetoric, you yourself are a Nazi.
    1. Metoclopramide
      Metoclopramide April 5 2016 11: 55
      +2
      In Russia, for murder on ethnic grounds you will be imprisoned for a long time, especially if you are Russian. The only gang of non-Russians who received substantial terms of imprisonment for outright lawlessness in Russia are actually terrorists from the gang Black Hawks. Give me at least one surname of those who took part in the pogroms of the Russian population in the same Tashkent, whom the Uzbek authorities imprisoned for this. You will not name them, because none of them has been punished, so stop scolding Russia, gentlemen, Russophobes, go to your historical homeland, stop suffering from the `` Russian invaders '' and eat Russian bread. The owners are already tired of the uninvited and such independent guests.http: //maxpark.com/community/13/content/1745486
      1. Turkestan
        Turkestan April 5 2016 18: 20
        -4
        What pogroms in Tashkent? Are you absolutely what. I live in Uzbekistan without hearing about these pogroms. This is a lie, the real one
      2. bumbarash
        bumbarash April 5 2016 19: 54
        -6
        Russians still live in the villages. Nobody cuts them. Another thing is that yes, they want to go to their historical homeland, but it does not particularly welcome them and does not help. Because they are not needed there.
        And these articles from the ass vysr .. are there facts are rigged. Truth and false are mixed and everything is presented as truth. It is very similar to how dill do in their media. Probably the same people wrote.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 5 2016 11: 38
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Unfortunately, the squeezing of Russians from Asian republics, including in Kazakhstan, continues and intensifies every year.

    Facts in the studio! Just don't cite the concrete facts "one grandmother said."
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 5 2016 11: 47
    +1
    Quote: parusnik
    And there is only one way out .. Again, you need to get together .. Forget that you are an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz, etc. and remember that you are a citizen of one big country .. Once it was like that .. and together we stood up against a big trouble ..

    Alas, as long as there are such "white elves" as METOCLOPRAMID in Russia, we will never unite.
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 13: 18
      +5
      Quote: Mig-31
      Quote: parusnik
      And there is only one way out .. Again, you need to get together .. Forget that you are an Uzbek, a Kyrgyz, etc. and remember that you are a citizen of one big country .. Once it was like that .. and together we stood up against a big trouble ..

      Alas, as long as there are such "white elves" as METOCLOPRAMID in Russia, we will never unite.

      Another unifier. Live in your country, build your state. What are you talking about, the countries have dispersed for a long time, why tidy up the past?
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher April 5 2016 16: 22
        -5
        Another unifier. Live in your country, build your state. What are you talking about, the countries have dispersed for a long time, why tidy up the past?


        Well, x ";! Are all sorts of different" anaLitegs "in Russia, all sorts of" apocalyptic "scenarios are trying to paint, and the" sofa army ", cheerfully blows them?

        Just understand once and for all - there will not be a quarrel in Central Asia, which was arranged by all sorts of overseas bastards in the Middle East, or even such a "small but bloody" storm that you, "blood brothers", Russians and Ukrainians arranged ...

        There will be no point. Loot will be divided at the border, border guards, customs officers, cops - this is their direct job, bread. People passing by will at times suffer because of this. From time to time the rulers will stand in a pose, just out of stubbornness, while saying all sorts of words about - "water is our common wealth ... and we will not allow neighbors to block us ..." and blah-blah-blah about the text. But again, it all depends on the loot and investments. Well, there will be no wars here, dear northern neighbors, calm down already ... *)
        1. Your friend
          Your friend April 5 2016 16: 53
          +6
          Quote: de_monSher
          Well, x ";! Are all sorts of different" anaLitegs "in Russia, all sorts of" apocalyptic "scenarios are trying to paint, and the" sofa army ", cheerfully blows them?

          Just understand once and for all - there will not be a quarrel in Central Asia, which was arranged by all sorts of overseas bastards in the Middle East, or even such a "small but bloody" storm that you, "blood brothers", Russians and Ukrainians arranged ...

          There will be no point. Loot will be divided at the border, border guards, customs officers, cops - this is their direct job, bread. People passing by will at times suffer because of this. From time to time the rulers will stand in a pose, just out of stubbornness, while saying all sorts of words about - "water is our common wealth ... and we will not allow neighbors to block us ..." and blah-blah-blah about the text. But again, it all depends on the loot and investments. Well, there will be no wars here, dear northern neighbors, calm down already ... *)

          Powerful analysis from the powerful "analLiteg" !!! Ahahahaha ...
  • thinker
    thinker April 5 2016 11: 56
    +3
    I'll add my "five cents". In addition to border disputes, there are also property disputes -
    On Monday, Kyrgyz Prime Minister Temir Sariev signed a government decree that four boarding houses on the coast of Issyk-Kul, which were previously used by legal entities of Uzbekistan, will be transferred to state ownership of Kyrgyzstan. The decision was made at an extraordinary closed meeting of the Cabinet.

    http://ru.sputnik.kg/opinion/20160405/1023986906.html
    As they said in childhood - give my toys and don’t write in my pot.
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan April 5 2016 18: 15
    -1
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Turkestan
    Dear I live In Uzbekistan, the city of Fergana. And I’m not accustomed to lie. Nobody drove anyone from Uzbekistan. Indeed, a large number of Russian-speaking people left Uzbekistan, this was only due to the fact that the huge number of factories in Uzbekistan where they worked were closed and there was nowhere to work. Therefore, they left here

    Dear, Russia also closed a huge number of factories and there was nowhere to work. So what?
    Quote: Turkestan
    And we also know the attitude towards the Russian-speaking people who left for their historic homeland in Russia when they cannot receive 20 years of citizenship of their homeland.

    What are you, right 20 years can not? Oh trouble, but you know better in Uzbekistan.




    Dear for you, I additionally explain that the main reason for the Russian-speaking population leaving Uzbekistan is the lack of WORK due to the closure of enterprises in Uzbekistan and ONLY. As for 20 years, not the possibility of obtaining citizenship. Then please rummage in NET there are many articles on this subject Read at your leisure
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 5 2016 18: 30
      +4
      Quote: Turkestan
      Dear for you, I additionally explain that the main reason for the Russian-speaking population leaving Uzbekistan is the lack of WORK due to the closure of enterprises in Uzbekistan and ONLY.

      Especially for the Dear I further clarify. That the Russians did not leave Ukraine in large numbers from Belarus, although MANY enterprises were closed there, just as they were closed in the Russian Federation. Stop writing nonsense to you.
      Quote: Turkestan
      As for 20 years, not the possibility of obtaining citizenship. Then please rummage in NET there are many articles on this subject Read at your leisure

      Why should I seek confirmation of your delirium.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher April 5 2016 20: 00
        -4
        That the Russians did not leave Ukraine in large numbers from Belarus, although MANY enterprises were closed there, just as they were closed in the Russian Federation.


        I will read such nonsense from a certain "My friend", and in the morning I will cut my trainee, Vladik-dzhan - purely out of love for art, so that the nonsense of one idiot would come true ... *) Although, on the other hand, I would better help the guy in programming I'll sit and teach him C #... The guy seems to want to unlearn in Russia, like in Tver or Arkhangelsk. Anyway, it will bring more benefits, either to Russia or to Uzbekistan - it doesn't matter. Everything is better than empty chatter, about nothing, with statements from time to time from the opponent - "You are delusional ... Nonsense, because I said so" ... *)))
        Conversation with you "A friend of mine", reminded me of a scene from the Strugatsky brothers' work, "A beetle in an anthill." When Lev Abalkin, with the golovan Shchekn Yttrich, found a decrepit aborigine on the planet Nadezhda. He sat with a magazine rifle at the ready, called every second word of Lev Abalkin nonsense, and from time to time he shot into the sky from a vintar ... *))
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim April 5 2016 19: 50
    +1
    Wow! I read all the comments, but did not find the answer what will happen to the Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz enclaves, how the issue is solved, what with the water, and most importantly, really flames up there as in Nagorno-Karabakh. But there are those who live there, could tell about the situation first hand.
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher April 5 2016 20: 05
      -4
      and most importantly, and there it flares up like in Nagorno-Karabakh


      There will be nothing here, finally ... *) No wars, only minor showdowns on the ground. Well, provided of course, if you, Russia and Kazakhstan, take Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan more seriously. We are all responsible for those whom we tamed ... *))
    2. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 24
      0
      You can tell, but as you noticed from the comments, with a solid negative, this is pointless. There is no desire to understand why, what, how. Some epithets are wild, cut, etc. Nothing good will come of it.
    3. Sarma
      Sarma April 5 2016 23: 52
      0
      Yes, the war will be for resources, especially since there is total poverty there and it’s easiest for local kings to blame all the problems of the state on the heads of hated neighbors and send the hungry wild people to war than to solve economic problems. Everything is much worse than you can imagine, because A huge number of nationalities live in the republics separated from the USSR and they, as a rule, do not like each other. Banditry, Makhnovism, a mess in general and a war of all against all will begin. The same Karabakh began to blaze back in the 80s, and they tell me tales here that Russia was allegedly one of the first to secede from the USSR.
    4. saygon66
      saygon66 April 6 2016 23: 16
      0
      - There is about the same story as in South America in the first two decades of the 20 century ...
      - There Brazil, Peru and Bolivia also shared disputed border territories for a long time, eventually inviting third-party demarcation specialists.
      - The question is who will agree to take over this work in Central Asia ...
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  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 5 2016 21: 27
    -2
    And again condescending - yes, nothing will be there .. yes they have small showdowns there ... yes Russia is steering and it will save everyone .. Without a desire to delve into the processes .. without a desire to understand why this is happening .. A similar attitude to the southern borders of Russia will In the future, the most serious problems are not only for our region, but also for Russia itself.
  • Nirvanko
    Nirvanko April 5 2016 23: 39
    -2
    Quote: Sarma
    I just arrived and decided to read the comments left here. About a dozen people write here, and you make fun of them and call them liars, I think that in a personal meeting you will behave the same way and it will end with swearing and scuffle. to reduce to the fact that all this was gossip type and there was nothing, and you completely ignore the fact that there were friends, relatives and acquaintances of many people. There was an aircraft factory in Tashkent, many Russians worked there by distribution, and now 75% of Russians previously living in Uzbekistan, they left for Russia and you want to tell us here that it’s just that and everyone lies around, except for you, of course ... Well, well ...

    Are you pretending to be like that? What does the conclusion of Russian bases have to do with nationalist pogroms? Himself froze stupidity in the first comment and took the argument aside.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 06: 41
    +1
    Quote: Metoclopramide
    Your friend Serg65 himself has already admitted that he is not Russian and took a personal part in the Fergana massacre, during which everyone who was not like Uzbeks, Slavs, Tatars and others was killed. And what will you please us with ?! I personally did not live in Tashkent and you understood this perfectly, and therefore you throw a show, but I have a person from Tashkent, Russian, and it doesn't matter that we are not close friends, but just former colleagues, if you can find him. ? Well, this can be arranged, but God forbid you if he recognizes in you one of those who robbed his house, the taiga is big ... here is not yours, kishlak.

    Balabolchik! I realized that your language is for another matter, but with your mind, thee is a big problem.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 07: 23
    +1
    Quote: gray smeet
    Osh - Kyrgyzstan, Baku - Azerbaijan

    Is geography bad?
    Metoclopramide RU Today, 13:17 ↑ You are a guest for them, as long as you, by their standards, are a rich person from Russia and even then can kill and rob ... I have a lot of acquaintances, friends and relatives who are in the 70s 80 -s got into these `` Uzbekistan ''


    Metoclopramide RU Today, 10:45 ↑ Draft is in your head. If Russian, here's a link about Russian pogroms in Uzbekistan


    In each comment I signed about Uzbekistan ... But you assured me that it was in Uzbekistan that they slaughtered Russians like sheep.

    I know not by hearsay - the house (in Russia) of a Russian immigrant (!) Burned down (!) (I was in his ashes, came to help) from Uzbekistan. Local guys (Russians !!!!!) burned the house, because he was not like them — he didn’t drink with them, he constantly worked in the house — he improved the household. Of course, they wrote off everything for a short circuit, but they whispered to him before ... so that he would get out of the village ....

    The same misfortune happened when our neighbor Vera Nikolaevna and her family moved to Novosibirsk in 1997, I think they lived there for two years, then returned to Kazakhstan and now live near Almaty. So, the Russians themselves simply didn’t give them a normal life, because they didn’t drink for days and nights, and they didn’t drive moonshine but worked, built farms, renovated the house, etc. And each time, either the husband from work with fingal or the son from work with fanar came home, but the reason is simple, they are different, they didn’t drink and worked, the second factor is from Kazakhstan, the arson of the house became the climax of bullying. So they returned, they simply did not accept, they were called Kazakhs.
    I’m thinking: Maybe they should have ... put the local kam about the fact that the Kazakhs are cutting out all the Russian people without exception? Maybe then the locals would have compassion for them?
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 07: 33
    +1
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    Baku and Osh are not Uzbekistan! How many years are you?

    And he is an old troll, offended!
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 07: 44
    +1
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    It seems that the rules on this site are forbidden to breed ethnic hatred? And the comments of this individual just pull on this.

    Russian from Russia is not prohibited but approved.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 07: 55
    +1
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Serg65
    in addition to zigs, you also swallow wheels

    Except "zigov" ??? What are "zigi" and how can they be swallowed?)))

    "Zig" This is your meaning of life.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 08: 34
    +1
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    You can tell, but as you noticed from the comments, with a solid negative, this is pointless. There is no desire to understand why, what, how. Some epithets are wild, cut, etc. Nothing good will come of it.

    If you notice any topic on topwar about Central Asia, the Russians immediately, on command, begin ethnic strife. Worse than Ukrainian fascists! NACI BRITAIN WORSHIPING HITLER.
    1. Haloperidol
      Haloperidol April 6 2016 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: Mig-31
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      You can tell, but as you noticed from the comments, with a solid negative, this is pointless. There is no desire to understand why, what, how. Some epithets are wild, cut, etc. Nothing good will come of it.

      If you notice any topic on topwar about Central Asia, the Russians immediately, on command, begin ethnic strife. Worse than Ukrainian fascists! NACI BRITAIN WORSHIPING HITLER.
      Probably you offended them there, and now, instead of amicably repenting of what you have done, you brazenly deny your guilt, so they answer you as you deserve. And your cheap excuses, in the style of Gaidai's comedies, are of no interest to anyone here, so don't try. And then the troops were withdrawn ... then everyone went together to Russia, `` to visit their grandmothers, '' and you are all kind of so white and fluffy and have no business at all ...
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher April 6 2016 09: 14
        -2
        and now instead of repenting together


        Repent of what? You will repent for the actions of bandits who, for example, cut 100 people on the high road, no matter what nationality? Will you repent if you find out that they are Russians?

        The end of the 80s, 90s were a time of turmoil. I remember the plot, when people, religious fanatics, and just bandits feeling the closeness of power, almost torn President Karimov to pieces, when he came to them, tried to talk. He then still tried to talk with them, to exhort. Then, that’s all, everyone is tired of it, and such people in Uzbekistan, almost all of them, were simply put in the pose of G and fucked by the glands by vanouts. Yes, up to this point, many people have suffered. I personally can only compassionateempathize with their problems. But when it turns into some kind of fetish, in a farce, with an attempt to bring nationalistic motives under it - you just look at it with a crooked smirk, and you start to think - is everything all right with some people with a head.
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 09: 19
    +1
    Quote: Haloperidol
    Quote: Mig-31
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    You can tell, but as you noticed from the comments, with a solid negative, this is pointless. There is no desire to understand why, what, how. Some epithets are wild, cut, etc. Nothing good will come of it.

    If you notice any topic on topwar about Central Asia, the Russians immediately, on command, begin ethnic strife. Worse than Ukrainian fascists! NACI BRITAIN WORSHIPING HITLER.
    Probably you offended them there, and now, instead of amicably repenting of what you have done, you brazenly deny your guilt, so they answer you as you deserve. And your cheap excuses, in the style of Gaidai's comedies, are of no interest to anyone here, so don't try. And then the troops were withdrawn ... then everyone went together to Russia, `` to visit their grandmothers, '' and you are all kind of so white and fluffy and have no business at all ...

    Quote: de_monSher
    and now instead of repenting together


    Repent of what? You will repent for the actions of bandits who, for example, cut 100 people on the high road, no matter what nationality? Will you repent if you find out that they are Russians?

    The end of the 80s, 90s were a time of turmoil. I remember the plot, when people, religious fanatics, and just bandits feeling the closeness of power, almost torn President Karimov to pieces, when they came to them, tried to talk. He then still tried to talk with them, to exhort. Then, that’s all, everyone is tired of it, and such people in Uzbekistan, almost all of them, were simply put in the pose of G and fucked by the glands by vanouts. Yes, up to this point, many people have suffered. I personally can only compassionateempathize with their problems. But when it turns into some kind of fetish, in a farce, with an attempt to bring nationalistic motives under it - you just look at it with a crooked smirk, and you start to think - is everything all right with some people with a head.

    Oh well, to make excuses to every Natsik skinhead. Each has its own truth.
    1. Phosgene
      Phosgene April 6 2016 09: 44
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      You better write about your scumbags who walk around with tattoos of Islamic terrorists on their arms and do not hide behind Allah. Such as you and Allah are trying to deceive, like he does not see under your roof, '' does not see at night '' and You cannot deceive either Allah or people. In Russia they say, “What you sow, you reap.” You have sown, and now you don’t like the harvest ?! Well, they planted it, then eat now.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher April 6 2016 09: 53
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        You sowed, and now you do not like the crop ?!


        Dude, what are you talking about, anyway? Do you have cognitive dissonance, or did you just breathe in carbonic acid dichloride?

        You dude, don't worry about our "food". We'll figure it out ourselves. You just explain what you wanted to say about "under the roof does not see", "does not see at night"? What are you trying to say, dude?
        1. Phosgene
          Phosgene April 6 2016 10: 06
          +1
          So deal with your food away from my "kitchen", I have heartburn on "your dishes", and I send everything that is not edible to the garbage container. Dude, this is a castrated ram, in Uzbek, so you Don't be rude, aunt, this is not your aul. Farewell and God forbid us to meet in real life ...
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher April 6 2016 10: 10
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            So deal with your food away from my "kitchen", I have heartburn on "your dishes", and I send everything that is not edible to the garbage container. Dude, this is a castrated ram


            A dude is like a castrated camel, and there is no such word in the Uzbek language. This time. Keep your kitchen to yourself, even if you conduct experiments on growing mold there - these are purely your religious exercises. There are no aul in Uzbekistan, but God forbid about meeting with you. I do not like people with mental disabilities in my environment ...

            like that...
            1. Phosgene
              Phosgene April 6 2016 10: 18
              +2
              I am not interested in the opinion of a guest worker about my mental abilities. You put things in order in your country, but they don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own charter. ”You are now an independent state, so you live at home, solve your problems yourself territorial disputes do not care. Go treat typhus in your villages.
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher April 6 2016 10: 26
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                I'm not interested in the opinion of the guest worker about my mental abilities.


                Are you a real weirdo with the letter m, or what? Or do you seriously think that I am somehow interested in the opinion of a dude who, one way or another, by his action and inaction, staged and supports the massacre in the East of Ukraine, and then sits and tries to find a mote in someone else's eye? You, dude, first make every effort to stop the bloodshed between ahem ... "brotherly" peoples, which is happening at your side. Until that moment, walk in the forest, with a marching step and with a song ... And do not go into a strange monastery with your charter.

                As for "gasterbayters" ... knock on your power structures, demand that at least some kind of order be put in place. And do not behave like an idiotic snobber-nerd - just to dangle a thread with your tongue, with a smart look ... well ... also to me, "intilliHentia" ...
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 April 6 2016 09: 24
    +1
    Quote: Haloperidol
    and now, instead of unanimously repenting of their deed, they brazenly deny their guilt,

    Before you chtol repent of their deeds?
    Quote: Haloperidol
    here they are and they are answering your deserts

    And Allah himself will judge according to my merits
  • Phosgene
    Phosgene April 6 2016 10: 47
    +2
    Quote: de_monSher
    I'm not interested in the opinion of the guest worker about my mental abilities.


    Are you a real weirdo with the letter m, or what? Or do you seriously think that I am somehow interested in the opinion of a dude who, one way or another, by his action and inaction, staged and supports the massacre in the East of Ukraine, and then sits and tries to find a mote in someone else's eye? You, dude, first make every effort to stop the bloodshed between ahem ... "brotherly" peoples, which is happening at your side. Until that moment, walk in the forest, with a marching step and with a song ... And do not go into a strange monastery with your charter.

    As for "gasterbayters" ... knock on your power structures, demand that at least some kind of order be put in place. And do not behave like an idiotic snobber-nerd - just to dangle a thread with your tongue, with a smart look ... well ... also to me, "intilliHentia" ...
    So I staged a massacre in the east of Ukraine ?! You arranged it! At first, under the guise of an alleged brotherhood of peoples, they seized foreign territory, and then you arrange genocide of the population on it. Your territory is the one within the boundaries of which you once entered the Russian Empire, and Ukraine, which strains you so much, I recognize exclusively within the boundaries of 1654. , in which she became part of Russia. With what you came, with that and leave, "divorce and maiden name." Crimea and other Russia conquered from the Ottoman Empire, while Ukraine took out Polish chamber pots. The massacre in Karabakh began from the end 70s, and at the end of the 80s there was a war, and yours write that some `` uncle from Russia '' who signed the Belovezhskaya agreements is to blame for everything. The war in Karabakh began long before the signing of the Belovezhskaya agreements, so do not blame the neighbors for their sins. I'm not going to make any efforts and the tale of supposedly fraternal peoples does not interest me. You in Karabakh and other regions began to cut each other on your own initiative, so solve your own problems, and all the issues that concern Maybe I will decide without you and your opinion does not interest me. Russia has no common borders and territorial disputes with your Uzbekistan and thank God. Live there as you want, you are an independent state and your problems are not interesting to me. Migrant workers are generally pure a corruption scheme, Russia does not need them at all and we will resolve this issue.
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher April 6 2016 16: 23
      +1
      Karabakh began in the late 70s, and in the late 80s there was a war


      What does Karabakh have to do with it? I have nothing to do with him. Again, look at the map, where the Caucasus is, here and there, "puffing" with war, and where Central Asia (in the Soviet sense of the word), calm, and not at war.

      Dude, don't throw it all together. There was no talk at all about Karabakh, Transnistria, or Gagauzia and South Ossetia there. The bottom line is, if you read the article, and not just came, to whine and bile everyone ... so, the point is that the author, as always sucked a couple of "facts" out of his finger, mixed all this on his saliva and snot , and presented as something clever and irrefutable. That's all ...
  • de_monSher
    de_monSher April 6 2016 13: 54
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    So I staged a massacre in eastern Ukraine ?! You made it!


    Dude, you're real - dumb in my opinion. I am Uzbek from Tashkent. Look at least at the map - where is Uzbekistan and where is Ukraine before you make a jingle.

    and Ukraine, which annoys you so much, I recognize exclusively within the borders of 1654,


    I have to hammer a bolt, big and thick, into your pseudo-historical fabrications. And if you are constantly tense with something, do not try to appropriate it to other people - I personally do not "tense" on any issues. Fact - in the east of Ukraine people suffer. Such as you, no matter what flags, started this bloodshed. It - fact... The rest is blah blah blah. When you gain your mind, make an effort so that people do not die there, then please, you can show that you are smart. And now you are behaving like a mongrel, with your coddy, petty gnawing at a bunch of people in your gateway, and at the same time with a fine-looking appearance, with a blanket on the little body, and with a bell around her neck, showing the world how "kuluturnaya" she is.

    Such things, dude ...
  • de_monSher
    de_monSher April 6 2016 14: 19
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    And, by the way, so that no one was offended or something. I do not divide, in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, people with weapons into "good" or "bad". For me a Nazi from the west of Ukraine is no different from a Nazi from Russia. Or the bandyuk who decides to profit from the war is absolutely the same on both sides. And there are usually a lot of such people in the war. And support them, such as you - rot, pseudo-intellectuals, and in Russia and Ukraine. In this war there is no ideology, it is just that there are no interests of certain groups, because of which normal people suffer, some of whom, my friends ...

    Like that...
  • Evil heaven
    Evil heaven April 6 2016 15: 32
    -2
    Quote: de_monSher
    So I staged a massacre in eastern Ukraine ?! You made it!


    Dude, you're real - dumb in my opinion. I am Uzbek from Tashkent. Look at least at the map - where is Uzbekistan and where is Ukraine before you make a jingle.

    and Ukraine, which annoys you so much, I recognize exclusively within the borders of 1654,


    I have to hammer a bolt, big and thick, into your pseudo-historical fabrications. And if you are constantly tense with something, do not try to appropriate it to other people - I personally do not "tense" on any issues. Fact - in the east of Ukraine people suffer. Such as you, no matter what flags, started this bloodshed. It - fact... The rest is blah blah blah. When you gain your mind, make an effort so that people do not die there, then please, you can show that you are smart. And now you are behaving like a mongrel, with your coddy, petty gnawing at a bunch of people in your gateway, and at the same time with a fine-looking appearance, with a blanket on the little body, and with a bell around her neck, showing the world how "kuluturnaya" she is.

    Such things, dude ...
    1) Dude in your kimshlak. 2) No one asked your Ukraine in 1920-24 to climb into Donbass, and in 1954 to Crimea, under the pretext of friendship of peoples, to occupy foreign territory and carry out forced Ukrainization on it, especially now, when Ukraine separated from Russia and wanted to be a unitary Ukrainian state. You were quite rightly told that since you wanted to secede from Russia, you must leave within the borders in which you came to Russia and not go into a foreign monastery with your own charter Your Russophobia is rushing out of all the cracks, but these are your problems, you now have your independent Uzbekistan, so stand on your ears in it, and what should we do in Russia and where the indigenous Russian population lives is not your business ...
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher April 6 2016 17: 48
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      1) Dude in your kimshlak


      for "Dude", you can refer to your compatriot, with the nickname "Your friend". I immediately suggested that he change the format of communication to a respectful one, he refused and the conversation continued in this vein. So, you can shove your arrogance up your ass, sitting in some kind of thread in a remote Tambov village ...

      Nobody asked your Ukraine in 1920-24 to climb to Donbass


      Ukraine is not mine, but by and large, your "brother-sister". In any case, you all had such rhetoric until they began to weigh each other sickly stars. The rest of the shit is nothing more than a figment of your fantasies. Nobody suffers from Russophbia, I'm just trying a few id-e-otam, you just signed up for them, mirror their rhetoric.

      Damn smart guy, found. When the arguments end, it is imperative to shove "Russophobia". Straight Jews, you guys, remind me that like parasites stuck to Germany, after, mind you, not THEIR victory over fascism, and rape, rape the theme of the "Holocaust", to pump out the dough from them. Only you, unlike the Jews, are not so pragmatic, you let snot with bubbles purely out of love for art, and do not try to knock out a thread for every snot and bubble.
      1. Evil heaven
        Evil heaven April 6 2016 18: 13
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        1) As for your conversation with a person with the nickname `` Your friend '', these are your business with him and it is not interesting to me, but assaults on me are assaults on me, your assaults. 2) Ukraine is a rebellious Polish province, which in 1564 seceded from Poland and became part of Russia, it was part of: Poland, Sweden, Austria-Hungary, twice as part of Germany, as part of Turkey, Russia and Mongolia. at different times. Nobody had ever heard of an independent state called Ukraine, until the collapse of the USSR. Ukraine has always been part of some other states, or their protectorate, under external control and foreign troops on the territory of Ukraine. Leave the talks about the brotherhood of peoples to the communists. They even in 1941, they did not understand why the `` German proletariat '' was fighting against the USSR. 3) Why is there no Russophobia ?! You all call the Russians invaders, and this is done not by a bunch of bandits about whom you wrote above, but by the governments of your countries, someone openly, someone for internal use. “Russian occupants” built hospitals, universities, residential buildings, kindergartens, schools for you, fed your subsidized respuiliks ... And what is the answer ?! What good have you done for Russia and the Russians ?! In crime reports, visitors from the countries of the former USSR occupy the top lines in grave articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, such as: murder, robbery, rape, terrorism, b
        Anditism.Do you remind you of who committed the first terrorist act in the USSR on ethnic grounds, in the Moscow metro ?! Why don't Russians in the republics of the former USSR blow up the metro and houses, shouting `` Christ is risen '', you didn't ask yourself such a question ?! And it should be ?! I wish you a real occupation, so that, having survived it, you would filter the bazaar and not call the Russians invaders who pulled you out of the Middle Ages and saved many of you from genocide, including the ancestors of those jackals who blew up the Moscow metro during Leonid Brezhnev's time.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 6 2016 18: 32
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          Ukraine, this is a rebellious Polish province, which was composed of: Poland, Sweden, Austria-Hungary, twice as a part of Germany, as part of Turkey, Russia and Mongolia.


          Come on so ... okay, sorry for MY hitting you. My application to you, the word "dude", was stupid. As for your arrogance, my position has not changed - it does not offend me at all, the assumption that I live in a "kishlak", but for the sake of formality, you should have "kicked in the teeth", verbally of course ...

          Next is the history of Ukraine, I know at least at your level. The history of Russia, world history too - the history of this is my hobbyhorse. Well, about the history of Uzbekistan, I'm just silent, it is unlikely that you are familiar with it (but maybe I'm wrong).

          Further - I am a little angry with Ukrainians. In Lvov, at one time, I turned out to be a bigger "mos-ka-lem" than all the Russians put together. And besides, from the 11th to the 13th year, I worked in the ChNPP zone. Your hmm ... "intrafamily" showdowns, recalled all this work. Nah, I'm not saying anything ... these are your problems, of course, war is more important, hatred is closer to the soul than love.

          But you guys don’t understand one thing. You can fight today, let out blood, they will be pulled from the soul ... then it will not work to reconcile, sooo long ...

          And, on this basis, if we return to the ESSENCE of this article, we here in Central Asia understand this very well. And we WILL NOT fight, even though we can scandal with each other, here or there. Absolutely friendly relations between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, interweaving business, human, etc. interests, a reliable guarantor of this. An article, a set of fantasies, from start to finish.

          And based on this article, a whole bunch of hmm ... commentators just appear, who act on the principle, "I heard a ringing, I ran to bark." That's ... the whole problem. I don’t understand what you want from me? Blame Russophobia, me? The son of a Soviet Army officer who shed blood for the USSR (and Russia as well) in conflicts with China? Me, whose relatives live all over Russia (settled back in Soviet times)? Maybe you just want to teach me stories? Thank you, I know her very well, believe me, the education is old, Soviet, university.

          Maybe you just before you come up with something, or believe the notions sucked from your finger, just come, see for yourself what is happening here?

          Like that...
  • de_monSher
    de_monSher April 6 2016 18: 44
    +1
    Why don't Russians in the republics of the former USSR blow up the metro and houses, shouting `` Christ is risen '', you didn't ask yourself such a question ?!


    Listen, I am far from both "Christ is risen" and "Allahu akbar". In Uzbekistan, there is an overwhelming majority. don't confuse us with Arabs. You yourself, launch people to you, en masse. Most of them are simple hard workers from the hinterland. Try to get the same hard worker out of the "remote Tambov village" and settle him in the center of Paris - we'll see what opinion Parisians will have about Russians. What happens to them there, in Russia, how they are treated there, I know a little better than you. But nevertheless, you have them at home (not you specifically - your hmm ... power structures, like the cops who make big money on this), for which you keep them. This is your business, and their business. And I, personally, do not understand this. The main thing for me, once a year, on the day of museums, to visit St. Petersburg, to wander with St. Petersburg friends through its streets (I love this city).

    I just don’t understand where you got arrogance from in such a short time?
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 6 2016 18: 52
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      I can answer about arrogance, we are scared, and tolerance in us is not penniless
  • de_monSher
    de_monSher April 6 2016 19: 19
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    You all call the Russian occupiers, and this is not done by a handful of bandits, about whom you wrote above, but by the governments of your countries, someone is open, someone is for internal use


    The rhetoric of the rulers, even for "mass use," as a rule, is an opportunistic matter. The main thing at the household level, both rulers and ordinary citizens, treat this with humor.

    But you guys have arrogance even at the everyday level. You are in all seriousness, give you freedom, you will poke me, for example, in the nose with words like “Uzbekistan was a subsidized region!”, And without a shadow of a doubt, on a blue eye.

    At the same time, for some reason, you forget that Uzbekistan is in the TOP list of countries in terms of reserves of gold, polymetals, uranium, fluorite, etc. Only gold was mined in Soviet times, several tens of tons per year, and went to the "center". I will not say anything about cotton. And we were still subsidized? Really ?! These hospitals, factories, etc. Uzbekistan paid essentially on its own. And you can't say that - the country was completely different, and the mechanisms of the economy were also different.

    So, in you ... or rather, in you ... or rather, all the same, in many of you, "arrogance" and everyday nationalism have stuck in their "liver" for a long time and reliably. So the government of Uzbekistan gave you a label with a grain of humor - "Russian occupants". Well, if you want this label to be serious, contact your Baltic "pale-faced brothers" ... *)) Some of them take this too seriously ... *))
    1. Evil heaven
      Evil heaven April 6 2016 19: 55
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      I'll start with the latter and start answering point by point. 1) If you are so rich and, according to the statements of Ukraine, fed the entire USSR, and according to your statements, at least, fed yourself, why are you now, with all your riches, living poorer than Russia and yours go to the Russian Federation, and not ours to you from Tambov? ! So it turns out that in the USSR you were subsidized republics, some more, some less, but you were. 2) Arrogance to you, we have it from you. Your declared that you now have independent countries, liberated from Russian occupation. "So ours now want to live" without your occupation "in" their own Russia. " ... I didn’t notice a good attitude towards my own kind, either at the household or at the government level. As an example, I will remind you of one fact - In the Baltic republics, even during the Soviet era, sellers often `` forgot '' the Russian language. 3) Our hard workers do not come to you and you do not smoke badly. It is clear that normal people have work in their homeland, and those who do not need anyone at home are wandering around foreign countries and cities, because a stupid boor, drunk, a drug addict and a bandit, but not only the Russian officials who gave them permission to enter the Russian Federation are to blame, but also yours, because your authorities often refuse to extradite the persons who have committed crimes on the territory of the Russian Federation to the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation. 4) As for Ukraine, I did not attack them, and their UNA-UNSO fought against me on the territory of the Russian Federation, with the full support of their government. So I have absolutely no desire to put up with them. I would like them to live on their Ukraine, beyond the Dnieper and forgot the way to ,, my Tambov village. '' Will you fight in Asia, or not, I'm not interested, the armies of your countries are `` funny enough '', but after all, Argentina once fought with Chile, so anything can be. 5) I don't need to write about the heroic defense of the border with China, because a bunch of Russians built factories for you, caught bandits from you, treated your people and the like ... Yours now categorically refuse that they pressed the Russians, but even here , even in the collapse of the USSR, anyone is blamed, but not themselves and their governments. You shout that no one was killed in your country, but this is a lie. Tashkent is a big city and how can you say that this was not the case if you could not be present all over the city at the same time ?! Don't even argue that you had rallies with anti-Russian slogans and posters. All your republics in the 90s, during the declaration of their independence, rolled a barrel towards Russia, and many are still rolling.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher April 6 2016 20: 40
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        with all your riches, you now live poorer than Russia and yours go to Russia


        Hackneyed record. Mostly unskilled personnel are coming to you - from the backwoods of Uzbekistan. There are several reasons for the points:

        1. Social and household. It is easier to settle in Russia - a common past, a similar mentality (oddly enough for you, probably), it is easier to make money (but the risk is also quite large, you have a vast "gray zone" of the economy, and many of your employers are initially aimed at "sucking" workers).


        2. Geographic-financial-geopolitical. No brainer probably - Russia is nearby, cheaper to get there.

        3. Socio-physical-demographic. Out of 100 percent of the territory of Uzbekistan, 20 percent with a tail are suitable for life. Moreover, the population is greater than in Canada. Accordingly, strong demographic pressure.

        If this answer is too academic for you, I can give another - Russia, which still gives chances for adventurers and adventurers.

        Arrogance to you, we have it from you. Your declared that you now have independent countries, liberated from the Russian occupation.


        Sorry, but this, clean - blah blah blah. The man who said this from a high rostrum, in all seriousness, after running for president, went on the run. And in theory, consider that he is already a corpse, both political and physical. The few who talked like that, talk and will talk like that, sit in Norway and Switzerland. The rulers of Uzbekistan can sometimes use such rhetoric, but exclusively for internal use, and with a great deal of humor, as I noted above. In the same way as I, in response to your words "shut up the kishlak!", I will say - "build a kishlak with the Tambov wolf, in the forest!" = I'm exaggerating =. Do not try to pass off the Quid pro quo - you just tried on the "white man's burden", once, and until now, without realizing it, you are trying to wear clothes that fit. The funny thing about this is that, in fact, our nations went from a common root - Scythian-Sarmatian-Saka, with an admixture of Turkic blood.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 6 2016 20: 41
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          Our hard workers do not come to you and you are not ill.


          You have a shortage of "hard workers" to also export them. Contact your FMS, and those who should be doing this. I am not your assistant or even your advisor here.

          because your authorities often refuse to extradite persons who committed crimes on the territory of the Russian Federation to the prosecutor’s office


          Nonsense is complete, do not say that which you do not know. Russia and Uzbekistan are very closely cooperating in this area. And at the click of a finger of responsible persons, on one side or another, people guilty of some kind of misconduct are at the disposal of interested structures.

          As for Ukraine, I did not attack them, and their UNA-UNSO fought against me on the territory of the Russian Federation


          My grandfather, a cousin, died near Lvov, at the hands of the Nazis, after the war. Another one, near Vitebsk, during the war. But in any case, I do not attribute responsibility for this to all Western Ukrainians, or all Germans. The topic is closed, or will you still "suck" it?

          .Will you fight in your own Asia, or not, I'm not interested, the armies of your countries are quite `` funny '',


          Yours is only funny arrogance... But this is your life, and your worldview. Only you can live with it. I, in theory, do not care how you treat others, in every sense. I can only say that you, the "couch general" with delusions of grandeur.

          I don’t need to write about the heroic defense of the border with China, because a bunch of Russians built factories for you, caught bandits from you, treated your people and the like ...


          These were Russian, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Tatars, etc. etc. Thanks to them, and a deep bow, to our ancestors, living and dead - to everything Soviet people (not separately only to Russian). You personally have not Soviet roots, so for yourself, how Ivan doesn’t remember kinship, you can not attribute this gratitude.
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher April 6 2016 20: 42
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            You scream that they didn’t kill anyone, but that’s a lie.


            Reread ALL of my comments - I have never said that. I just said that I can sympathize with people who suffered during the time of troubles (80s, 90s). So you just lied. So as the classic said - "I congratulate you, mister sovramshi" ... *)

            The fact that you had rallies with anti-Russian slogans and posters do not even argue.


            Show me where I argued with this? And why did you say that?

            All your republics in the 90s, during the declaration of their independence, rolled a barrel towards Russia, and many are still rolling.


            Well, yes, Well, yes ... And Yeltsin's Russia, on the sly, "shod" all the "fraternal" republics for loot, throwing cash into the outskirts, and carrying out a lightning exchange of money. Incidentally, this is where the "legs" of our countries' distrust in Russia grow. Although Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan to the end proposed the creation of a confederation, with a common army, citizenship, currency ...

            You, my dear opponent, have very little knowledge of recent history, and a lot of ambition. In fact, I'm not surprised. I did not expect anything more from you.
            1. Evil heaven
              Evil heaven April 6 2016 21: 20
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              1) Russia paid off all the external debts of the USSR, except for the Russian Federation, no one paid them, so there is no need to write so confidently that they shod you, and that before the denomination of the ruble and the exchange of money, the people in the Russian Federation suffered and suffered seriously from this. ... 2) No, well, you must agree that your armies are inferior in number, quality and novelty of weapons to very many countries, and even if you imagine, for a second, although it is not possible that Uzbekistan will start fighting, well, for example, with North Korea, you have a chance, in my opinion , no. You have weak armies, with an almost complete absence of aviation, which is now almost a god of war. 3) We do not have a shortage of hard workers, but on the account of questions to the FMS of the Russian Federation, you are 100% right, but the responsibility for the wild behavior of your newcomers lies with your countries. Interstate cooperation regarding the extradition of criminals is there, but not always The big question is only getting better and better, or not. Azerbaijan does not hand over Islamic terrorists who fought against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus to Russia, and there are many such examples, if we talk about the former USSR. 4) Regarding the assaults on Russians, here one of yours wrote that, they say, all the Russians have conspired with each other and tell tales that they were offended in the republics of the former USSR, in order to get some kind of benefits for themselves in the Russian Federation. Do you even understand what nonsense this person wrote ?! People unfamiliar with each other somehow conspired with each other and tell, which is typical, the same stories about robberies and murders. Something no one said that the Russians were pressed, for example, in Belarus, or in Ukraine until 2014, if there was almost no such thing. I write, almost, because there were clashes between Russians and Ukrainians in Ukraine in the 90s in Crimea and Odessa, during the division of the fleet. Both Ukraine and the Russian Federation recognize this, although both sides tell the reasons for this in different ways, which is natural, given the political situation and the fact that the Kiev authorities supported Dudayev and Saakashvili. 5) I do not agree with the socially close sphere. Now many of your people arriving in the Russian Federation do not even know the Russian language and they do not care which country to go to, there is a language barrier everywhere. Regarding the fact that the Russians left for the Russian Federation solely for financial reasons, I also disagree. None of Belarus en masse left for the Russian Federation, although Belarus is several times poorer than Russia, so the reasons for the departure of Russians are different. In what, I already wrote to you ... As for the scammer with a salary, they are trying to throw not only yours, they and the indigenous population of the Russian Federation are trying to throw, with varying degrees of success, but this must be dealt with immediately and with those who promised to pay and did not pay. I myself had to knock out the money I earned from the insolent hucksters who had lost their conscience.
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher April 6 2016 22: 12
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                except for the Russian Federation, no one paid them, so you don’t have to write so confidently that you were shod, and as for the ruble denomination and money exchange,


                Relations between countries are almost the same as the relationship between people - if a person cheated you for money, I always have a desire to clean his face. When a country "shoots" its citizens with money, people are indignant, creak, maybe even rage, but in the depths of their hearts, nevertheless, most often the flame of patriotism burns. Well, what was Uzbekistan to do when the Minister of Finance of Russia said something like “The ruble zone remains, don’t worry! I will give a tooth, yes!”, Took out the old rubles by air, including to Uzbekistan, and immediately carried out a monetary reform leaving the economies of the rest of the countries, at a broken trough, with a pile of cut paper? *)) In general, a very strange situation was then ...

                No, you must admit that your armies are inferior in number, quality and novelty of weapons


                No, well, do you agree that Russia is several times larger than Uzbekistan? And you must agree that Uzbekistan does not need 100-500-100000 air divisions. And almost 300, Sukhikh 17th, 25th, 27th, Migarei 29th, Anov transport, Czech "Albatrosses", Bears 6th, 8th, 24th are enough for defense? A few hundred tanks (for 1000 in storage), is that enough? Quite a decent amount of artillery, MLRS ... even the fleet ... true, river, border ... and even, shhh ... a big secret - the marines (or rather, all the same - river, and promptly obey the border guards) ... *))))

                Or do you think several brigades, even the old S-200-current, 75-ok and 125, (maintained in good condition), are not enough for object defense? Yes, plus the general CIS air defense command. And who by and large trample it? SCO Allies? Afghanistan? Okay, suppose the United States trampled, so Uzbekistan and Russia have a bilateral allied treaty, like from 2005 (At the same time, Uzbekistan is not included in any military blocs in principle).

                Personnel are being trained both in our country (there is a flight school, a full-service one, rear services, a kind of automobile, tank, artillery), and so are you - no one has interrupted communications, and is not going to interrupt.


                Now, many of your coming to the Russian Federation do not even know the Russian language and they do not care which country to go to ....


                As for the rest, I'm just tired of explaining something to you. I have not been in Uzbekistan for 6 years. Upon arrival, I can only say one thing - Tashkent has become even more Russian-speaking. Even more calm than he was. Now we are working with you (Russia) in order to direct labor migration into the legal framework - a very BIG work is in progress. They will go to you already, only with labor contracts - I think it will be settled within 2-4 years. And the areas of labor migration are now changing - Korea and Japan, for example, are very interested. They work out what will be organized with you.

                In general, = waved his hand = ... you are tired of me today, I swear ... *)
                1. Evil heaven
                  Evil heaven April 6 2016 23: 03
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                  1) Gaster worked just from Uzbekistan and Ukraine, and if those who came from Ukraine spoke mostly Russian clearly, then among the Uzbeks there were those who did not know the Russian language, they translated their own and said what to do. 2) Equipment at storage bases, as a rule, is not combat ready. The reserve of even the first category already requires some repair, and the reserve of the second category requires significant factory repair. In Ukraine, we have clearly encountered this now. Not to mention the planes left after Ukraine in the Crimea, ours even refused to overtake them, the condition is in emergency. they flew generally not clear. You are probably no better. Of the S-300 air defense systems, about 25% are relatively combat-ready, and this is probably even worse in the units on combat duty, in the reserve ones. 3) Russia paid all the external debts of the USSR, so who owes whom still has a big question. 4) The territory of North Korea is also not big, but the equipment content, judging by the parades and air shows there, is relatively decent, and the army is large, despite the fact that that the country is not very rich. 5) Yours will not go to Korea and Japan, believe me. Once they go and will not appear again. There are very harsh working conditions, and living conditions are not very good. A Japanese who lives in an apartment like the Soviet Khrushchev’s is already considered wealthy. I have a friend who is married to a Japanese. 6) The United States is unlikely, but some kind of border war such as between India and China, or Pakistan you may well have.
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher April 6 2016 23: 36
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                    Yours will not go to Korea and Japan, believe me.


                    I won’t believe ... *) And in general, it reminds me of a conversation with a blind person - you (note that I’m writing to you, unlike you), have read what I wrote to you? Read and do not understand what? I kind of write in Russian ... *)) Every year, from 2005, 20-25 thousand people leave for South Korea, having passed training here, having passed an exam in language, etc. etc. *)) from the turn of the 16th, the bar will be raised to 40-50 thousand per year ... *)) from the 13th, intergovernmental agreements with Japan are concluded - the same thing, preparation, language, etc. - and sending to work .. *)))) Most likely, the same thing will be done with Russia - there is an installation on the part of the government ...

                    The reserve of even the first category already requires some repair, and the reserve of the second category requires significant factory repair.


                    My father is a military man, he graduated from the tank. He himself also wore a little shoulder straps. I remember what the "encapsulation" of anti-aircraft missiles is (it is clear that the S-200 are the same, not solid-fuel), or storing tanks. With the help of Russia, they are maintained in a combat-ready state, quietly, peacefully - without unnecessary advertising ... *)) Here, in the southern theater of the CIS, there are no serious goals, even for 200-current. Therefore, the most combat-ready units are explosives, of which we have a lot ... *)) in order to prevent the bearded bastards from breaking through the border, I think that's enough ... *)) With tanks - naturally I agree ... But, believe me, they will be quite enough to restrain any encroachments on our borders ... *))) In the 99th, 2000th, 2002th, and 2004th - already put, I apologize cancer, those who broke through to us from the side of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Using howitzers, aircraft and specialists.

                    As for North Korea, you know - that’s not a la la ... *)) neither I nor you were there. I can’t say anything about their fighting efficiency. I just remember during the Korean War, they grabbed the sickly stars at first, from comparable American-South Korov troops, having lost almost their entire territory ... *)) If it weren’t for China and the USSR, then most likely there would be no such country as the DPRK ... *)))

                    And that’s enough for me. You are stubborn, a carriage with a trolley ... moreover, you read, it seems, what they write to you. They probably write to you for a reason, but having some kind of information - no, they’re still ready to poke their hand ... = choked on coffee from laughter = ... it’s necessary, "Your people won't go to Korea and Japan, believe me ...", a joke right after all ... *))
                    1. Evil heaven
                      Evil heaven April 7 2016 00: 15
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                      As a rule, I communicate with YOU either with my superiors or with outright enemies (from sarcasm), I don’t like officialdom ... Therefore, out of habit, I switch to YOU ​​... Tanks in mobilization storage are not ideal for Russia itself, so it’s not I have illusions. I also have a father, a reserve officer, served in the GDR, a tanker, but what does it have to do with it ... The fact that you don’t believe in the existence of Uzbeks who do not know the Russian language ... Well, these are your difficulties and why should I lie, I don’t have anything ... As for working in Japan and Korea, well, you will visit there yourself, then you will understand what I wrote to you ... Maybe you will like it, but it is unlikely for those from the former USSR working conditions in these countries will be shocked ... To better understand, imagine the work on the Soviet conveyor ... Introduced ?! Now imagine that what awaits you in Korea is even worse ... Living conditions will surprise you too ...
                      1. de_monSher
                        de_monSher April 7 2016 00: 41
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                        Therefore, out of habit, I turn to YOU ​​...


                        Ok, I get it ...

                        Tanks in mobilization storage are not ideal for Russia itself, so do not have illusions.


                        Okay - persuaded. We have a couple of hundred T-72s on the move ... *)) = Himself at the training ground, drove on the 72nd when I was studying, and now I sometimes come to friends - sometimes nostalgia sticks =. Another hundred and a half, you can put it on the move ... *) Given the mountainous terrain at the borders, it is often impractical to use tanks, they will burn for a sweet soul - this is not European Russia with its plain landscapes. There were no problems with light armored vehicles, like in Uzbekistan - no, not so long ago, the American also took a couple of hundred MRAPs, just in case of fire - it will fit in the household ... *)

                        The fact that you do not believe in the existence of Uzbeks who do not know the Russian language ...


                        When did I say that I do not believe in the existence of Uzbeks who know the Russian language? *) This is exactly what I did not say - there are quite a few of them. Just, remember one vesch that I myself encountered while being in the Moscow Region at the end of last year. For you, we are Uzbeks, all on one face. But for me - no. Almost 70 percent of the Uzbeks I met there were Uzbeks from Tajikistan, who have never been to Uzbekistan ... *) Uzbeks from Uzbekistan, with whom I crossed, or good specialists, with excellent earnings (in mostly builders, plasterers, electricians), or work in the service sector in Moscow itself (hairdressers, programmers, middle and lower managers).

                        As for work in Japan and Korea


                        for those from the former USSR, working conditions in these countries will be shocking ...


                        I have been to Japan more than once - I don’t like it there ... *) And what I wrote to you is facts - a lot of people from us, for more than 10 years now, have trodden our way to that labor market ... *) And they like to work there (they pay very well), and they adapted well to those working conditions - at the end of the labor contract, they often renew it, at the initiative of both employers and the workers themselves ...

                        And I’m talking specifically about Uzbek Uzbeks, not about Koreans from Uzbekistan. For Koreans, there is a program of both resettlement and employment ... *))

                        Presented ?! Now imagine that what awaits you in Korea is even worse ...


                        Oh, don’t scare me - I am by nature lazy - the Uzbek nation is not without freaks ... *) I am familiar with the working conditions in Korea. But the fact is that our guys adapt well there ... *)
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 April 6 2016 20: 47
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        - Forgive me for interfering in your controversy!
        - Do not consider me a friend or like-minded person of Monsher, we had certain disagreements with him before ... BUT! I can say definitely during the period from 87 to 94. nothing that could be called a "massacre of the Russian population" in Tashkent - did not happen ... I lived there just in those years ...
        - Why - the question is different ... I think in those years there was enough negativity, and inaccurate information will not add anything here, it will only allow characters under the Uzbek flag to accuse us of bias ...
        1. Evil heaven
          Evil heaven April 6 2016 21: 02
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          The fact that this was not with you does not mean that it did not exist at all. I do not claim that it was in the volumes of the Serb genocide by the Ottoman Empire, or the same Armenians, but this was the number of victims, according to various sources, about 400-600 people only killed, but this is not only Tashkent, but data on the republic in general. Something like this. You are ready to admit it, or not, this is another matter.
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 April 6 2016 21: 39
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            - Indeed ... I can be subjective, but let’s say, my parents at that time lived in exactly the places described in the article ... now the Uzbek-Kyrgyz border guard post is in their place ... Yes, next , in Uzgen there were clashes between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks ... And in 30 km. - Osh, in 15-ty Karasu - Ilyichevsk ..., my relatives lived in Gulistan, there were incidents with Crimean Tatars in those places ... Believe me, the Russians had to endure a lot, it's never forgotten ...
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        2. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 6 2016 21: 03
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          Thank you, and hello ... *) But for any I hope that you and I will once more sharpen our claws and teeth, clinging to some other topic on this site ... *)
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 April 6 2016 21: 22
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            - Hello! Here, you see, "dragon teeth" are sprouting ... so, it seems, the late head of the Papal region spoke ...
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 6 2016 21: 39
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              *))) My teeth soon fall out - after Chernobyl, I lost one tooth and the luxury of hair ...
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