Armenian President threatens to recognize the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in the event of conflict escalation

The President of the Republic of Armenia, Serzh Sargsyan, stated that in the event of further aggravation of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, the authorities of the country will decide to recognize the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. The Armenian president made such a statement during the reception of the diplomatic representatives of the OSCE countries. Information Agency TASS quotes Sargsyan's statement:

As a party to the 1994 ceasefire agreement, Armenia will continue to fulfill its responsibilities to ensure the safety of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh. Further exacerbation of hostilities can lead to unpredictable and irreversible consequences, up to a large-scale war. This, naturally, will have an impact on security and stability not only in the South Caucasus, but also in the European region. If hostilities continue and gain wide scope, Armenia will recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Recall that in the NKR the third day the fighting continues, in which the following types of weapons are involved: armored vehicles, artillery, aviationmortars. More than 30 people died on both sides. This is official data.

At the same time, the Azerbaijani authorities stated that the Azerbaijani soldiers unilaterally cease armed clashes and start “settling in the liberated territories”. We are talking about several heights in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, the capture of which by the Azerbaijani army is refuted by the soldiers of the army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Since yesterday, volunteers have been mobilized in the unrecognized republic of Transcaucasia.

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[Korney84]

That's right! Krasava!

[Proxima]

Like the Romans, "seek who benefits." Neither Armenia, nor Russia, nor Azerbaijan need this conflict, but Turkey is beneficial. We have to deal with them somehow, everything else is secondary.

[Korney84]

The main gain from the escalation of the conflict comes from Turkey, which has been fueling the conflict, and now trying to position itself as a peacemaker, and the United States, which has another reason to accuse Russia of supporting the "separatists" around the world.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Proxima

Neither Armenia needs this conflict

Is not a fact...

Quote: Proxima

but beneficial to Turkey.

And why should they? Wanted to fight?
Turkey is absolutely not profitable ...

Quote: Proxima

Like the Romans, "seek who benefits."

Since February 29, a NATO delegation has been in Yerevan (remember, this is the capital of Armenia). Summing up and agreeing on a new package of cooperation within the framework of the Individual Partnership Program.
Armenia just needs to solve the issue of dependence on Russia in the security sphere ...

[genisis]

Neither Armenia needs this conflict
Is not a fact...

Not a fact if the Armenians were sure that they would smash Azerbaijan.
But they are not sure. We would be sure they would have begun to advance long ago.

Since February 29, a NATO delegation has been sticking out in Yerevan (I recall, this is the capital of Armenia).

A delegation of the NATO International Secretariat was in Armenia from February 29 to March 3, 2016.

So, haven't you left yet?

[Lopatov]

Quote: genisis

Not a fact if the Armenians were sure that they would smash Azerbaijan.

And they don't need it. For this there is Russia, which is obliged to intervene, otherwise the favorite toy of the Kremlin, the CSTO, will simply fall apart.

Quote: genisis

A delegation of the NATO International Secretariat was in Armenia from February 29 to March 3, 2016.
So, haven't you left yet?

Maybe they left. And how on time. 8)))
New ones will arrive. Three months ago, the Armenian President rode to Brussels, with NATO bosses "to grind the topic", even Mr. Stoltenberg praised for "deepening and expanding".
Those more ... allies.

[genisis]

And they don’t need it. For this there is Russia

Russia will not accept participation in the hostilities between the NKR and Azerbaijan.

[79807420129]

Quote: Spade

Since February 29, a NATO delegation has been sticking out in Yerevan (I recall, this is the capital of Armenia).

Well, yes, yes, yes Aliyev probably went to the chief of NATO for seeds and probably joked with Obama at a personal meeting on 30.03.a 2.04. Suddenly flared up in Karabakh, probably a coincidence.

Quote: Spade

Turkey is absolutely not profitable ...

Why is it not profitable? To distract Russia from the main destination in Syria, Armenia, by the way, if you forgot, the CSTO member and Gyumri, our base is standing and Russia, by the way, acts as a guarantor of a ceasefire and if something happens, Russia will have to take part in order to force Azerbaijan into peace or to pull away on both sides, both sides, not for nothing right now Erdogan says that Turkey and Russia should solve problems in the region and not for nothing right now, suddenly the killer of our pilot Oleg Peshkov is arrested in Izmir and a hint is made in our direction, they say you can give Russia, do not find too many coincidences. There are a lot of ears sticking out of the backstage and mattress and Turkish and hell knows which, but it's all against Russia.

[Lopatov]

Quote: 79807420129

Well, yes, yes, yes Aliyev probably went to the chief of NATO for seeds and probably joked with Obama at a personal meeting on 30.03.a 2.04. Suddenly flared up in Karabakh, probably a coincidence.

Did I miss something, Azerbaijan declared itself a centuries-old ally of Russia and joined the CSTO?

Quote: 79807420129

Why isn’t it profitable? To distract Russia from the main direction in Syria,

There is no "distraction" here, a direct armed clash is possible. Russia is obliged to get involved in the war on the side of Armenia, and then Turkey will have to intervene on the side of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, they will lose it ... And Turkey will not have a single friendly "hydrocarbon barrel" left. Do they need it?

[79807420129]

Quote: Spade

Did I miss something, Azerbaijan declared itself a centuries-old ally of Russia and joined the CSTO?

No colleague, you missed a little bit, Azerbaijan withdrew from the CSTO treaty, I don’t remember exactly what year, roofing felts in 2004, roofing felts in 2002 and Turkey’s ally, not Russia, and you write correctly

Quote: Spade

a direct armed conflict is possible here. Russia is obliged to get into the war on the side of Armenia, and then Turkey will have to intervene on the side of Azerbaijan.

Turkey will not enter directly, it will throw up weapons, it will direct the militants, generally do what the Turks are doing now in Iraq and Syria with all sorts of barmaley, but they are unlikely to directly harness. And the Turks still have more than one Azerbaijan "hydrocarbon barrels" they do not feed badly from the barmaley and are playing hydrocarbon games with the same Iraq and Saud.

[Lopatov]

Quote: 79807420129

Azerbaijan has withdrawn from the CSTO treaty, I don’t remember exactly in which year, roofing felts in 2004, roofing felts in 2002

Under Yeltsin, in 1999.

Quote: 79807420129

Turkey will not directly get in, it will throw weapons, it will direct militants

A good recipe for Turkey’s loss of Azerbaijan. Tehran applauds standing.

[RUSS]

Quote: Spade

A good recipe for Turkey’s loss of Azerbaijan. Tehran applauds standing.

Moreover, both Iranians and Azerbaijanis are Shiites ... unlike the Sunnis of the Turks.

[79807420129]

Quote: Spade

A good recipe for Turkey’s loss of Azerbaijan. Tehran applauds standing.

Colleague, Tehran will applaud, even while standing, even lying, but will not fit in on either side, although Iran and Azerbaijan are Shiites, but not "partners" shall we say, oil? Iran has its own oil and gas and it is getting out of the kind of sanctions and the Persians are now unlikely, like we need an extra headache, the mattress stand again runs into them, requires 10 lard for terrorist attacks, they, like us, have enough Syria, my colleague is my thoughts, please do not take them for the truth, of course, we’ll wait and see, but wait for the good do not have to.

[Lopatov]

Quote: 79807420129

A colleague, Tehran will applaud even while standing, even lying down, but will not fit in either side

And he doesn’t need it.
A bullseye itself will fall into their basket if Turkey does not intervene.

[vsoltan]

1. Russia will intervene only by diplomatic methods. .. CSTO is too one-sided, like a one-goal game. . And on a fig we need it? In general, it is worth considering and revising the charter.
2. Turkey, quietly moved the United States. Erdogan got everyone unpredictability and obstinacy. ..aki Khokhl Yakoy .. it is frankly drained. Replaces the recommended, it seems, Davutoglu. ..which will portray a democrat, a peacemaker and a liberal. ..and oh get, ryvolyutsiya! :-) but this one is not for long. ..
3. Turkey will fall apart. ..Kurdish state to be. ..also at the expense of Syria and Iraq. ..axiom. But the USA, it seems, are hoping to acquire a new sphere of influence on BV.
4. Great dill, perhaps officially, will fall apart sooner.

IMHO

[avt]

Quote: Spade

Turkey is absolutely not profitable ...

Refresh the schedule of Erdogan’s recent trips and Davutoglu’s statements in Ukraine. Well, and Aliyev’s visit. Run the timing with reference to the date of the conflict defrost.

Quote: Spade

And they don't need it. For this there is Russia, which is obliged to intervene, otherwise the favorite toy of the Kremlin, the CSTO, will simply fall apart.

Again, more precisely in the details, namely, who, even once, is obliged to fit in and whether Karabakh is a CSTO legal entity. Shorter in more detail and less than its own free interpretations of specific documents.

[Lopatov]

Quote: avt

Refresh Erdogan’s latest travel schedule and Davutoglu’s remarks in Ukraine

Wow!
It turns out that not only Azerbaijan is a member of the CSTO and calls itself a "centuries-old ally of Russia", but also Turkey?

Quote: avt

Again, more precisely in the details, namely, who, even once, is obliged to fit in and whether Karabakh is a CSTO legal entity. Shorter in more detail and less than its own free interpretations of specific documents.

http://www.odkb-csto.org/documents/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=126
Where is it about the fact that Russia has the right not to intervene if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia?
And it will happen necessarily when Azerbaijan squeezes out NPOs, the Armenians simply will have no choice but to provoke it.

These strange movements of "Elbrus" are not just happening now.

[kirieeleyson]

One day, Karabakh will certainly become Azerbaijani again, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said. According to him, Turkey was next to Azerbaijan from the very beginning of the Karabakh crisis. "Turkey was next to Azerbaijan from the very beginning of the Karabakh crisis and will continue this. One day, Karabakh will certainly return to its real master, will again become Azerbaijani, ”Erdogan said at the congress of the Red Crescent Society in Ankara. Earlier, the Turkish Prime Minister and Turkish Foreign Minister announced support for Azerbaijan. In Armenia, these statements provoked a sharp negative reaction. ANKARA, April 4 - RIA News

[guzik007]

Like the Romans, "seek who benefits." Neither Armenia, nor Russia, nor Azerbaijan need this conflict, but Turkey is beneficial. We have to deal with them somehow, everything else is secondary.
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What are you talking about! Do you at least ask a question historically at the beginning, before scattering your pearls here. For this "garden" ares with aisers tore the throats of others and will fight for another dozen years. The Turks may warm their hands, but the former "our animals" generally side with harness there. It's like a situation when two dogs stand opposite each other and growl, you just throw the stick and that's it! scraps rushed through the back streets, and it doesn't matter who threw them.

[Vend]

Quote: Korney84

That's right! Krasava!

It's time to do it already.

[Lopatov]

"Krasava" is when you have enough courage to do what Russia did with Crimea.

And here ... "krasava" wants to eat the fish without consequences.

[genisis]

how did Russia with Crimea

You compared Russia in 2014 and Armenia, yes, any year)

And then ... "krasava" wants to eat fish without consequences

18 dead 35 injured as of 03/04/2016 - is this "no consequences"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: genisis

18 dead 35 injured as of 03/04/2016 - is this "no consequences"?

Конечно.
When did the power elites bother with such nonsense?

[DMB3000]

clickable. hook hoopoe

[Vadim237]

In a large-scale war, Azerbaijan will smash Armenia - it already has enough funds for this.

[genisis]

If you have not noticed, Azerbaijan is at war with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.
Nobody attacked Armenia.

[Lopatov]

Yeah. And "Elbrus" is an excellent tool to take the conflict to a higher level in case of problems ...
With guaranteed Russian intervention.

[Vadim237]

Russia will not intervene in this conflict.

[Lopatov]

In the event of an attack by Azerbaijan on the territory of Armenia?

Then the CSTO will definitely fall apart.

[Vadim237]

It will not fall apart, since it exists essentially conditionally - just like NATO.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vadim237

since it exists essentially conditionally

That's it!
And the only condition is a reaction to aggression. It will not be- CSTO will fall apart.

For there are only two "security providers". Russia and Kazakhstan. Belarus is partly a consumer, but it itself can inflict unacceptable losses on the aggressor. The rest are purely consumers.

And if your Internet provider is seen in a very poor quality of services, will you refuse it?

[Vadim237]

Everything is still to come.

[work67]

Definitely not a fact. . History speaks differently.

[siberalt]

Well. With tongue removed. I just described in another article such a probable possibility. Infa, April 4: The Armenian Armed Forces from long-range artillery shot on a march a column of the military reserve of Azerbaijan (a fake would be better). They write that they destroyed everything that moved. But this is already very fraught with the escalation of hostilities. CSTO member country involved. Something they can cut through the land corridor to Russia.

[Gomunkul]

Something they can cut through the land corridor to Russia.

Interesting idea.

[MARGEL]

Aliyev kept his word .... Come on tanks bought from Russia (for 4 billion ..) apply ..! Burn to hell .. Erdogan say hello!

[Kasym]

I did not expect such a development of the situation at the moment, it is not beneficial to anyone. One - due to oil prices and low gold reserves, the second - the territory behind them and graters with the Turks.
So, ears in the west stick out. NATO has few problems in Ukraine, Near. East and North. Africa, home, etc .; they also decided to set fire here. Erdogan already kind of supports Aliyev. Oh and reckless, his home (Turkey) has few problems with the Kurds and all neighbors; so also here ... NATO (USA) is left to inherit only in Central Asia. Tajiks or Turkmens; Kirghiz like oppositionists presanuli (they wrote about some arrests and evidence against them, Dustum acts as a buffer among the Uzbeks. They would have been a swindler in Kazakhstan, but the National Academy of Sciences had already outplayed them (on March 20 they held 3 extraordinary parties in parliament ), on the line of the jihadists, he gave the command "fas" (200 criminal cases against those who left for Syria, and locals are even checked for their appearance on the streets; and we did not have any major troubles). Therefore, I think that either Tajiks or Turkmens will be "checked". But, it seems to me, the root of everything lies in the creation of the CU and the EAEU, when the Russian Federation began to fight for living space and markets. As soon as we got started, they started playing for high stakes. Economic pressure and propaganda, then crises and sanctions, now fires at the borders are kindling and "knocking out" obvious candidates for the CU and the EAEU. Even the Turks did not regret it when resorts and hospitals were paid for the militants there (and now porridge is being brewed in Turkey).
War sucks money out of the treasury with a vacuum cleaner. The CSTO, in my opinion, will wait until they run out of steam, and then either to the negotiating table or send peacekeepers. Ukraine is enough for us, so this fire needs to be extinguished as quickly as possible. Both depend on Russian transit and supplies, so the Kremlin can "arrange" things quickly. NK - mountainous area. There you can butt for the dominant skyscrapers for years. And no one can stand a war of attrition - I hope both understand this. It's just that even the BC will not be taken from where (I hope everyone will stop military contracts with fighters). Based on this, I hope to see both presidents at the negotiating table soon.

[vanavatny]

but for me the Armenians are traders, and the Azerbaijanis are traders' this is personal, but I hate the Armenians of the Pitek and I have reason to consider them dirt

[sever.56]

Armenians and Azerbaijanis are fighting to the death, and the states, the West, and especially Turkey are rejoicing.
They seem to have woken up a frozen conflict, right at the borders of Russia, and now Russia will again have to resolve the situation. The West will not lift a finger.
I really want to hope that the top leadership of our state will once again show the whole world that there is no better peacemaker than Russia.
And Armenians and Azerbaijanis want to say: - "Wake up! Think, who benefits from that you pour your blood and die" ???

[Vasya_Piterskiy]

It’s not difficult to guess where the wind blew. For so many years there weren’t any creeps, but then they took up a gun right away ... Oh, not casual ...

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Vasya_Piterskiy

It's not hard to guess where the wind blew

never mind

Quote: Vasya_Piterskiy

For so many years, no treachery, but here they took up a gun right away ...

this is the peculiarity of frozen conflicts.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: sever.56

Armenians and Azerbaijanis are fighting to the death, and the states and, especially, Turkey are rejoicing.

And how not to rejoice? The task is being solved. The match lit up. If earlier it was Ar.-Az’s business .. now Turkey can fit in, and we will answer. And burn-burn-clear, so as not to go out! And the states of the feet are rubbing. Oxygen urgently needs to be shut off to Azerbaijanis. Can I throw sugar in a gasoline?

[weksha50]

Quote: sever.56

I'd like to hope that the top leadership of our state will once again show the whole world that there is no better peacemaker than Russia.

A very difficult situation for Russia, very ...

Spit on this conflict and step back - is unlikely to succeed ...
And to take sides - well, sooooo fraught with various unpredictable consequences ...

So to speak: you can’t have mercy on execution ...

PS In addition, both states gravitate towards NATO ... A little bit Russia will make the wrong movement - and another NATO is ready at our borders ...

PPS It is interesting how Georgia and Armenia felt and behaved in one block ... Probably, like Greece and Turkey ...

[Vadim237]

Russia doesn’t need their war and therefore we won’t get in there, under any pretext and development of events, if in case of a threat to our base, we simply evacuate it.

[Zeeke]

All right said!

[neo.]

Quote: sever.56

West does not lift a finger

Very move. Precisely because it stirred exploded.

A seemingly frozen conflict awakened

It was they who woke up this frozen "stash" that was waiting in the wings

directly at the borders of Russia, and now Russia will again have to resolve the situation.

Spend effort and money. There are also new reasons for tumbling the situation in the info war against Putin.

[Pinkie F.]

Further aggravation of hostilities can lead to unpredictable and irreversible consequences, up to a large-scale war. This, of course, will have an impact on security and stability not only in the South Caucasus, but also in the European region.

yeah, that's right, indirect appeals to the "world community" began in the spirit of "harness yourself, otherwise it won't seem a little to everyone."

Armenia recognizes the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh.

And then?

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Korney84

one reason to accuse Russia of supporting the "separatists" around the world.

with what fright? Has Russia given a reason? She didn’t take a side. What kind of accusations?

[Dmitry Potapov]

The conflicting parties are generally aware that they are playing with fire? If the only force that breaks out the fire breaks out, Russia will again.

[RUSS]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

The conflicting parties are generally aware that they are playing with fire?

It seems Azerbaijan is ready to go to the end ....
Azerbaijan put forward a number of conditions for a ceasefire: the liberation of territories and the restoration of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, Hikmet Hajiyev, head of the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told RIA Novosti on Monday.
But for this, in accordance with the UN Security Council resolutions, Armenia must liberate all occupied territories, ensure full territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijanrecognized internationally, ”said Hajiyev.

According to him, Azerbaijan on April 3 decided to end the hostilities unilaterally.

“But despite the peaceful position of Azerbaijan, the Armenian side continued to shell Azerbaijani positions and settlements. Shelling continues to this day. Azerbaijan has repeatedly stated that the main reason for the tension in the situation is the occupation of Azerbaijani territories by Armenia, ”he stressed.

[Stena]

Quote: RUSS

It seems Azerbaijan is ready to go to the end ....

Yeah. To the end, and then to the left ... =)

[siberalt]

To give up the territories occupied more than 20 years ago - to expose the Armenian population to deportation and ripping open their stomachs to old people, women and children (it all started from that). There will be a dead end worse than in Ukraine. Armenians remember the genocide of 2015. Slightly yielding to the Turks - they will cut everyone out. If you turn your back a little, you will immediately get a knife in the back. Azerbaijanis consider themselves southern Turks. Perhaps for them to consider them brothers.

[RUSS]

Quote: siberalt

Armenians remember the genocide of 2015

1915g.

[genisis]

If flares up

Already blazing. Since April 2, there are databases
I'm afraid it's too late to put up.
How is it easy to start, and how to finish?
Either one side will thoroughly destroy the other and that will ask for peace, or a miracle will be shed and one of the parties will ask for peace just like that, without defeat.
But Aliyev has a very serious problem, not related to the Armenians.
As soon as Azerbaijan begins to suffer significant defeats, processes within the country that could sweep away the regime will begin.

[RUSS]

Quote: genisis

Already blazing. Since April 2, there are databases

The UAV of Azerbaijan struck a bus carrying volunteers from Armenia, RIA Novosti reported. At least six people were killed. In Yerevan, confirmed the death of five people.

The aggravation of the confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh began on April 2. The participants in the conflict, for their part, report that the enemy’s losses account for hundreds. At the same time, the UN claims 30 dead.

In turn, Russia and the United States called on the parties to immediately cease hostilities. This was discussed in a telephone conversation held at the initiative of the United States between Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry. According to its results, it was agreed to combine the efforts of Russia, the United States and France in resolving the conflict.

[Yeraz]

Quote: RUSS

Azerbaijani drone hit a bus,

This is interesting when Azerbaijan acquired a combat UAV. Such infa did not slip earlier.
Of course, I was not told that in Israeli deliveries there are many interesting, but combat UAVs ..

[garnik64]

3 shock UAVs shot down by Artsakh’s air defense.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

The conflicting parties are generally aware that they are playing with fire?

Have you read the article? Specifically, the words of Sargsyan? Type, give. He has already threatened Europe (!) With consequences.

[weksha50]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

If the only force that breaks out the fire breaks out, Russia will again.

Um ... how? What kind of makar, so to speak ??? Tell me if you have a suggestion ...

Russia now (with this conflict) is in a stalemate ... Neither one nor the other can be supported, and at the same time it is necessary to prevent the conflict from expanding further ...

Although what are we talking about ??? This conflict has been smoldering, smoldering, smoldering for so many years ... Like in a theater: if a gun hangs on a wall, then it must someday shoot ...

Neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis will make concessions to each other ...

[Vadim237]

Given the roundup and the place there of this conflict, we do not care about this war, and the leadership is not up to it.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Vadim237

Given the roundup and the place there of this conflict, we do not care about this war, and the leadership is not up to it.

Well, Sargsyan suspects that he doesn’t care. Therefore, it suffers from the consequences, if ... etc.

[black]

Oh, such a haze may wrap up. It seems to me that we are on the verge of a grand schucher.

[Pirogov]

Quote: black

Oh, such a haze may wrap up. It seems to me that we are on the verge of a grand schucher

Yes, we are already a thousand years old LIVE LIVING AND LIFE WILL we be afraid of us!

[weksha50]

Quote: black

Oh, such a haze may wrap up. It seems to me that we are on the verge of a grand schucher.

Dregs have been spinning for a long time ...

AND WE ARE NOT ON THE THRESHOLD OF THIS SCHUCHER, IT IS US ON AN OUR THRESHOLD constantly on our doorstep. They put tirelessly ...

[maxim1987]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

The conflicting parties are generally aware that they are playing with fire? If the only force that breaks out the fire breaks out, Russia will again.

Yeah! So that later Azerbaijanis and Armenians would slaughter us. Haha they gave up. We have no obligations to NKR, but no one attacks Armenia

[fazayek]

That's it. You don’t have to go anywhere, we’ll figure it out without you. Russia now has the opportunity to strengthen the position of pro-Russian citizens. However, she just does not need to intervene.

[RUSS]

Quote: fazayek

we’ll figure it out without you.

Do not figure it out.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: maximNNX

We have no obligations to NKR, but no one attacks Armenia

We really have no obligations to the NKR, but if Armenia officially recognizes the NKR, the next step may be an agreement between Armenia and the NKR on mutual assistance, which will make it possible to officially enter the NKR Armenian troops to help the NKR army. And here Azerbaijan can announce the invasion of Armenian troops on the territory of Azerbaijan, because Nagorno-Karabakh is legally part of Azerbaijan, then a full-fledged war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And under the CSTO treaty, Russia must protect Armenia, must get involved in the war, fulfill its obligations. Sargsyan, who are you playing for?

[fazayek]

And with what fright should Russia help the aggressor under a treaty? Azerbaijan has repeatedly stated that it does not intend to invade Armenia, it is only trying to return its territories. In your opinion, if tomorrow Lithuania attacks the Russian Federation, does NATO declare war on Russia? AGREEMENT LET !!! 1111

[RUSS]

Quote: fazayek

And with what fright should Russia help the aggressor under a treaty? Azerbaijan has repeatedly stated that it does not intend to invade Armenia, it is only trying to return its territories

Do you yourself believe that Armenia will remain on the sidelines, and that with the escalation of the conflict, not a single Azerbaijani shell will fall on the territory of Armenia?

[fazayek]

Here is the map. NK itself and the territories that the Armenians occupied besides him. I xs how to shoot there so that the missile missed 60 km. Unless the Armenians themselves run towards Armenia, they can do it.
By the way, yesterday the Armenians shot, so the shell landed in Iran. Ukrainians missed and landed in the Rostov region. Was the war declared?

[RUSS]

Quote: fazayek

Here is the map. NK itself and the territories that the Armenians occupied besides him.

You are going to liberate not only the NKR, but also the territories between the NKR and Armenia, right? So there is a high probability of shelling Armenia.

Quote: fazayek

Unless the Armenians themselves run towards Armenia, they can do it.

Previously, where were the Armenians seen in provocations? not in defense of the Armenians, but for objectivity, is there infa?

[fazayek]

Quote: RUSS

Previously, where were the Armenians seen in provocations? not in defense of the Armenians, but for objectivity, is there infa?

In order not to go far, in 2014, if memory serves, an imitation of a helicopter attack on Azerbaijani positions, when ours landed and the howl began. What is not a provocation?

[Viktor_24reg]

Seal, here you are really tired. I’ve already lost count of the number of duplicated your comments. Your opinion is clear, do not insert it every 20 opinions.

[avt]

Quote: Anatol Klim

We really have no obligations to the NKR, but if Armenia officially recognizes the NKR, the next step may be an agreement between Armenia and the NKR on mutual assistance, which will make it possible to officially enter the NKR Armenian troops to help the NKR army.

And where is the external aggression against Armenia, to which Russia must fit in ???

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: avt

And where is the external aggression against Armenia, to which Russia must fit in ???

I will try to explain my point of view, if the NKR is recognized by Armenia and the official entry of Armenian troops to help the army of Nagorno-Karabakh, Azerbaijan will declare Armenian aggression on its territory, this will lead to a full-scale war that can lead to the outbreak of hostilities not only on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh , but directly in the border regions of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Why did Armenia demonstratively roll out the "Elbrus" OTR, which flies 300 km with poor accuracy, that the NKR army has an OTR? Well, they will drag them to Stepanakert, and what will they launch at Azerbaijani tanks? I am neither for Armenians, nor for Azerbaijanis, both of them are worthy of each other. Shoigu won a call to the defense ministers of Azerbaijan and Armenia, the contact group seems to be gathering on Nagorno-Karabakh, maybe they will calm down.

[co-creator]

Quote: Anatol Klim

but if Armenia officially recognizes the NKR, the next step may be an agreement between Armenia and the NKR on mutual assistance, which will make it possible to officially enter the NKR Armenian troops to help the NKR army. And here Azerbaijan can announce the invasion of Armenian troops on the territory of Azerbaijan, because Nagorno-Karabakh is legally part of Azerbaijan, then a full-fledged war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And under the CSTO treaty, Russia must protect Armenia, must get involved in the war, fulfill its obligations.

Then it turns out that Armenia attacked Azerbaijan since the Russian Federation recognizes NK ITS TERRITORIES. Under the agreement, then the Russian Federation should not support the aggression of Armenia.

[slavik_gross]

Judging by the statements of Azerbaijan, this is for a long time ... In accordance with UN Security Council resolutions, Armenia should liberate all occupied territories, ensure the full territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijan

[Mama_Cholli]

"In time" the conflict entered an active phase. Apparently someone put their stars and stripes to this.

[Vadim237]

No one applied to anything - the guys themselves figure it out.

[Severodvinsk]

Now, explain to me, please, what will the recognition of Nagorno-Karabakh give? What are the consequences?

[mike_z]

Quote: Severodvinsk

what consequences?

For Russia, unfortunately, they are not happy ... It has already been said above that if this happens, we may be drawn into a conflict. According to the CSTO, on the side of Armenia. Although ... recognition, IMHO, does not mean territory yet. And even then it is possible, apparently, to keep the position: "Nobody attacked Armenia." But it would be better not to bring it up.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: mike_z

that if this happens, then we can be embroiled in conflict. According to the CSTO, on the side of Armenia.

why? Recognizes and recognizes. What `s next? What is the connection between the recognition of NKR and CSTO by Armenia?
And by the way, for that matter, in addition to rights, Armenia has some other obligations under the Collective Security Treaty.

[mike_z]

Quote: Pinky F.

why? Recognizes and recognizes. What `s next?

I wrote that "maybe" and IMHO. I do not argue absolutely. But I read different opinions of analysts, there is such a thing.

[Seal]

According to the CSTO, on the side of Armenia

For the CSTO to have the right to intervene, according to the CSTO Charter unanimous the decision of all its members. I suppose everyone sees that Nazarbayev, Rakhmonov and Atambayev are already at a low start and they are just beating their hooves with excitement to start helping Armenia

[RUSS]

And for some reason, I remembered our former unfortunate oligarch German Sterligov, he left with his family in Karabakh in the summer of 2015, I wonder where it will burst further?

[Yeraz]

Quote: RUSS

I wonder where it will explode further?

there are grandmothers, they won’t be left without a roof))) will be engaged in agricultural work in the Ararat share))

[RUSS]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: RUSS

I wonder where it will explode further?

there are grandmothers, they won’t be left without a roof))) will be engaged in agricultural work in the Ararat share))

Not, rather, the fate of the Russian Old Believers will befall him, they, too, first hid on the outskirts of the empire, and then generally drove into the Brazilian jungle

[avt]

Quote: RUSS

And for some reason I remembered our former unfortunate oligarch German Sterligov

Already pulled.

Quote: Yeraz

) will be engaged in agricultural work in the Ararat share))

He won’t be, he decided to organize the type of horse tourism from Moscow region to Vladimir.

Quote: RUSS

Not, rather, the fate of the Russian Old Believers will befall him, they, too, first hid on the outskirts of the empire, and then generally drove into the Brazilian jungle

Don’t piss, this village man with a completely European office in Moscow will not get so far, well, if you don’t have to run away from any criminal case, like with the stock exchange named after your dog.

[Berber]

Ilham in vain all started this. Him - it will come out crooked sideways. The Turks, if not overpriced, are already raking in full. And on Azerbaijan we will have more leverage.
They will begin to put pressure on fellow countrymen, so they will strangle their own.

[parusnik]

The conflict is gaining momentum ...

[gg.na]

Quote: parusnik

The conflict is gaining momentum ...

And it is very noticeable!

[RUSS]

Quote: gg.na

Quote: parusnik

The conflict is gaining momentum ...

And it is very noticeable!

Azerbaijani ISIS detachment leaves Raqqa to fight in NKR

It is reported that about 60 terrorists returned to their homeland through Turkey.

According to a military source, the Azerbaijani detachment of the ISIS * terrorist group, numbering from 50 to 70 militants, left Syrian Raqqa. It is reported that radicals from Transcaucasia through Turkey returned to Azerbaijan to participate in hostilities in the Karabakh conflict zone.
Because of this, a real scandal erupted in the "administrative capital of terrorists" in Syria, because ISIS militants are very sensitive to discipline violation, especially against the backdrop of the recent successes of the Syrian army.

It is worth noting that extremists from Azerbaijan and earlier in the ranks of ISIS were accused of betrayal. So, in January 2015, terrorists executed the field commander Siraj Azeri, suspecting him of espionage.

[Vadim237]

ISIL's weak link jumped off.

[Lopatov]

This is no longer funny.

The propagandists lost the shores altogether, decided that their audience was completely dumb?

[Seal]

Fake. To ISIS began to help the infidel Shiites? Yes, Shiites for ISIS worse than Christians.

[Siberian]

Sargsyan, who are you playing for?
For the Armenians living on the territory of NGOs, I think. To us, too, "the whole civilized world" insists that Donbass is not our business - the Ukrainians will figure it out themselves. Or have you already forgotten?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Siberian

Or have you already forgotten?

That's just the point that I did not forget. Now it’s starting to blaze again in the Donbas, in Syria, again, nothing has ended yet, and then there is Nagorno-Karabakh and Russia shouldn’t lose everywhere, they circle the adversaries in a circle.

[JonnyT]

old partners are our partners ....
We will expect ignition in Ossetia of Abkhazia, Transnistria ....
Let them fight, they might grow wiser faster -Az will understand that their Turks use, and Ar. that it’s Karabakh and they don’t need it at all

[tigran2]

Quote: slavik_gross

Judging by the statements of Azerbaijan, this is for a long time ... In accordance with UN Security Council resolutions, Armenia should liberate all occupied territories, ensure the full territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Azerbaijan

Let's see how long. In my opinion, the Azerbaijani army should not last so long. Not a slingshot, the battle is on.

[Pinkie F.]

And why do some people think that the CSTO is a copy of NATO? Has anyone bothered to read the Charter? There is no chapter 5 analogue. Decisions are made by the Council and, as far as I remember, there is no question of any automatic entry into the war on the side of a CSTO member.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Pinky F.

Decisions are made by the Council and there is no talk of any automatic entry into the war on the side of the CSTO member, as far as I remember.

Still how it goes. Everything is spelled out in the CSTO much stricter than in NATO in the notorious "Fifth Chapter"

If one of the participating States is subjected to aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty), it will be considered by the participating States as aggression (armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) to all states parties to this Agreement.

http://www.odkb-csto.org/documents/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=126

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Spade

Just as it goes.

in the Charter this is not.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Pinky F.

in the Charter this is not.

Can you still follow the link?

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Spade

Can you still follow the link?

This is a contract, and I about the charter. Yes, in general, not the point.
Armenia has been in the CSTO since its founding on May 15, 1992.
The war in Karabakh was already in full swing and ended in '94.
And what, did the CSTO take part?

[Seal]

For the CSTO to have the right to intervene, according to the CSTO Charter unanimous the decision of all its members. I suppose everyone sees that Nazarbayev, Rakhmonov and Atambayev are already at a low start and they are just beating their hooves with excitement to start helping Armenia

[Vadim237]

"Decisions are made by the Council" - Which Council?

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Vadim237

What advice?

Organization. Article 13

[Sergg]

Russia will be forced to provide military assistance to Armenia, otherwise the reputation suffers greatly, and Russia has almost no friends. Azerbaijan can be sacrificed and blocked, especially since we are at war with Turkey. It is much worse if Russia simply watches the developing conflict. But on the other hand, Russia does not need to rush, we must wait for the ayzers to hit the territory of Armenia and only then react harshly. While they are only hitting Nagorno-Karabakh, we will modestly stand aside, since the great war of Russia is NOT NEEDED.

[Vadim237]

"Russia will just watch the developing conflict." This is the best option for us and the only correct one - the country's leadership understands this perfectly and therefore will fight in this war exclusively by diplomatic methods.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vadim237

"Russia will just watch the developing conflict." This is the best option for us and the only correct one - the country's leadership understands this perfectly and therefore will fight in this war exclusively by diplomatic methods.

Zugzwang.
Both intervention and non-interference will almost equally lead to an unacceptable result.

[Vadim237]

"Both interference and non-interference will almost equally lead to an unacceptable result" - And what is this unacceptable result?

[Korsar4]

And yet, when you have to choose, you can recall the Chinese stratagem "Watching the fire from the opposite bank."

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Sergg

eat more we are at war with Turkey

apparently I missed something ..

[rosstov]

It seems that everyone went to the attic. What can I say: on time, our leadership adhered to the modernization of our own aircraft. In such an unpredictable environment, the only reliable insurance policy is issued, unfortunately only they.

[fa2998]

Quote: Spade

but beneficial to Turkey.
And why should they? Wanted to fight?
Turkey is absolutely not profitable ...

In order to shake Russian positions in Armenia by the hands of Azerbaijan. In response to Russia's actions in Syria. They already believed that the north of Syria is already theirs and this is the case! Turks want to divert Russia to Syria in Armenian affairs.

[atamankko]

Again, Russia's partners "help" as much as they can, they are terribly tired.

[then]

Bara fight, at lackeys forelocks are torn. Smart learn from the mistakes of others, fools from their own. Azerbaijan didn’t even teach their own mistakes. They will be deployed on both sides by several hundred military personnel and will remain in their previous positions. But Russia will have to wage war on the diplomatic front, no matter what the third one gets into. Unfortunately, Armenia and Azerbaijan have long been looking in the direction of rich Uncle Sam, Russia did not live up to expectations, and by themselves peacefully agree with each other weakly. So they are looking for a wealthy sponsor. And who feeds the girl, he dances. The Russian leadership needs to look for a non-standard solution and at that very quickly.

[guzik007]

That’s what makes us different from other nations is, to the point of cloying, the willingness to help everyone and reconcile everyone. Why should it flutter Well internationalists have multiplied, I won’t save any! Everything! one-goal international is over!
_Ah Russia must! Russia will get into a conflict!
And with x ... do we owe them something, one asks? Not small already, when they separated, they didn’t ask.
And if Russia owes something, then I will answer you. Collect one and a half lemma "volunteers" from both sides of our markets for a vigorous hair dryer and forward to help the historical homeland in the so-called business. liberation. Enough, pumped. Today the tit has shrunk and there won't be enough for everyone. Themselves, yourself somehow, but observe the edges. But when someone starts to swim for the buoys, then we, well, say, fatherly, not out of malice ...

[Sergg]

Quote: Pinky F.

Quote: Sergg

eat more we are at war with Turkey

apparently I missed something ..

I hope you are joking like that. We are really at war with Turkey - literally !!!
Another thing is that no one has declared this war, no one has yet shot at each other, although the Turks fired and hit our plane, killing our pilot. Prohibited ISIS is both a weapon and a cheap supplier of oil to Turkey, and as we know, we are fighting a war with ISIS, in fact, Turkey, and Turkey perceives the actions of Russia in Syria. Here you can speak multifaceted, but why not express obvious things.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Sergg

I hope you are joking like that. We are really at war with Turkey - literally !!!

Dear, I was not joking. I don't know what you mean, but there is a very clear protocol diplomatic concept of "state of war". So, I think that the Russian Federation and Turkey are not yet in the notorious state

Quote: Sergg

what literally !!!

And for this pearl:

Quote: Sergg

Here you can speak multifaceted, but why not express obvious things.

special thanks to.

[m-arsenich]

Quote: guzik007

Collect one and a half volunteers from both sides of our markets to a vigorous hair dryer and go ahead to help the historical homeland in the so-called business. liberation.

A very interesting and non-standard move: in our markets, finally, our sellers will appear, and the former, i.e. their sellers certainly will not want to fight (business, however ..) and will unanimously oppose a military solution to the problem.

[dvg1959]

Apparently, Aliyev and Erdogan found a common language.

[Erg]

I am for the Armenians! Our guys!