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Who and how protests today in Kharkov

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Who and how protests today in Kharkov



Very often in the comments of our readers there is a condemnation of a certain inertia of the population of Ukraine towards the ruling junta. Adapters, "hataskrayniki" and the like. Especially goes to the address of the inhabitants of the Russian city of Ukraine - Kharkov.

That's just about one Russian Kharkovites and I want to tell.

I already wrote in my materials that after the March 2014 events in Kharkov there were many oddities. Yes, it was a very revealing antimaydannoe performance Kharkov. Yes, a lot of caring people came from Russia. Actually, as a participant in those events, I appreciated the rush of Kharkiv citizens. It was really from the heart and at the behest of the heart and mind. But then the oddities began.

The organization was set up pretty well. People were divided into units, tasks were set. Commanders compiled lists of personnel. But after these lists, somehow unknown to me personally, they were first at Kernes, and then at the disposal of the SBU. Obviously, I have no evidence, but my personal opinion is that with these lists Kernes bought himself indulgence for his pro-Russian statements, which he then did.

In the normal world, it is treated as a betrayal.

Considering how many people then came and signed up (for example, I would say that I was already in the 24 squad), the SBU took a fair amount of time to work out and filter these lists. And the planting season began only in May.

So, my today's hero is Yuri Mikhailovich Apukhtin.



Born in 1948 in the city of Oboyan, Kursk Region, Russian.

In 1972 he graduated from the Kharkov Polytechnic Institute, in 1976 the Kharkov Institute of Radio Electronics with a degree in Automatic Control Systems, in 1983 graduate school at the Moscow Institute of Electronic Engineering, in 1986 he defended his thesis "Principles of Construction tank information management system. "

Job:
1972 - 1995 - Kharkiv Engineering Design Bureau named. A.A.Morozova designer, head of department, head of department of control systems of a prospective tank. With 1995, a deputy of the Kharkiv Regional Council of two convocations, he worked in private business for managing commercial structures.

1973-1974 - leading on the complex installation of the smoke curtain "Tucha", later the complex of optical-electronic countermeasures "Curtain".

1975 - 1977 - leading the Ob gun sighting system with the Cobra guided weapons on the T-64B tank.

1975 - participation in the installation on the T-64B tank of a small-caliber P-23 gun.

1976-1978 - work on the fire control system of the T-80UD tank, testing the system of duplicated commander’s fire control, work on the panoramic and simplified sight of the commander.
1976 -1979 - the head of work on the creation of a tank information management system (TIUS) "Iris-K" and "Alternative" for the tank T-64B.

1980-1993 - the head of work on the complex management on the basis of TIUS promising tank "Boxer".

In 1975 - 1980 carried out a number of publications in closed messengers on arms ground forces on tank fire control systems and the prospects for creating a tank information and control system. Author and co-author of 8 inventions for tank control systems.

The author of the book "The last spurt of Soviet tank builders" (diary of a participant in the development of the tank Boxer), Kharkov, 2009.

The above list is enough to make a minimum conclusion about the person. But there is also a place for social and political activity.

Yuri Mikhailovich - the initiator and the head of the creation of the OD "Great Russia" (2008) and "South-East" (March 2014).

"Great Russia" was established in Kharkov as an all-Ukrainian social movement in 2008, with the aim of countering fascism, which under the guise of Bandera and Ukrainian nationalists actively promoted Yushchenko to power. The goal of the movement was to unite three fraternal Slavic Orthodox states. That, however, is clear from the name of the organization.

The second co-founder of "Great Russia" was Mikhail Onufienko, now better known as the blogger Mikle1.

At the end of 2013, on the initiative of Y. Apukhtin, "Great Russia", together with almost forty other organizations, united in the movement "Civil Forum of Kharkov", in March 2014 of the year was renamed the movement "South-East". This organization became the organizer of mass demonstrations of peaceful protest within the framework of the current legislation in Kharkov.















For obvious reasons, "Great Russia" was closed.



“South-East” with its actions showed that the protest of the residents of Kharkov against the Maidan is not at all what the Ukrainian media wrote at that time. The publications of that time talked about a “handful of pro-Russian separatists,” going to minor rallies and protests. Photos from these events indicate the opposite.

In April, the 2014 of the year (it took the SBU just enough time to analyze the situation) Apukhtin was arrested for the first time. He was released on bail, and until December 2014, he passed with a tracking bracelet on his leg.

19 December Apukhtin was again called to court as a witness, but by decision of the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine he was taken into custody in the courtroom. And from this time is in prison. The trial over Yuri Mikhailovich has been going on for almost a year and a half, but the real end is not visible.

Representatives of the Ukrainian justice are in no hurry to pass a clear sentence. As well as release Apukhtin for lack of proof, or at least on bail. It is obvious that the authority of the 68-year-old patriot is such that isolation without trial is the best way out. And Yuri Mikhailovich continues to sit and wait.



It is unlikely that the junta will break this man. It is obvious that Yuri Mikhailovich is stronger than the tanks to which he dedicated his life. This is his message - the best proof of that.



In fact, the Kharkiv anti-Maid movement has now been beheaded. It is no secret that, together with Apukhtin, many of his colleagues are under investigation. Spartak Golovachev, Sergey Yudaev, Egor Logvinov, Ignat Kromskoy, Marina Kovtun, Yulia Smagina, Dmitry Pigorev and many others.

The list of those arrested and under trial or investigation in the Kharkiv region is estimated at over a thousand people. And all of them are charged with political activity against Ukraine. Separatism. That is, they all fall under the Minsk agreements.

And, in the case of the implementation of these agreements, these people should get into the exchange or amnesty program. Some, by the way, have already been traded, but this is a drop in the ocean.

The question is, what do you think, what will these people do when they are released? What will Apukhtin again become involved with, who until the last moment, being repeatedly warned that he was going to be arrested, continued his business and resolutely refused to leave?

If it is really possible to force the Kiev junta to fulfill the agreements it has signed, then Kharkov has a lot of struggle ahead. Sure.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik April 6 2016 06: 41
    +24
    What the "democratic" world does not protest and does not demand the release of these people .. But for the murderers, bones ready to lie ..
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 6 2016 09: 56
      +12
      To hell with him with the "democratic" world. Why don't Russia and its allies protest? After all, people stood up for Russia.
      It turns out that Russia (represented by the "business travelers"), willingly or unwillingly, helped to rewrite the pro-Russian Kharkovites, and then pretended that it was not in Kharkov. Therefore, Kernes was not afraid to transfer the lists to the SBU. And who should he be afraid of - who can punish him?

      It's ugly somehow ...
      And other pro-Russian Ukrainians are not at all inspired.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 6 2016 15: 27
        +2
        Quote: Hlavaty
        Why does not Russia and its allies protest? After all, people stood up for Russia.

        read carefully
        "Great Russia" was established in Kharkov as an all-Ukrainian social movement in 2008 with the aim of countering fascism, which, under the guise of Bandera and Ukrainian nationalists, actively promoted Yushchenko to power.

        not a word about Russia. they opposed fascism.
        Quote: Hlavaty
        It turns out that Russia (represented by the "business travelers"), willingly or unwillingly, helped to rewrite the pro-Russian Kharkovites,

        Well, of course, again Russia is to blame. we kind of promised nothing to anyone there
        That is, they all fall under the scope of the Minsk agreements.

        And, in the case of the implementation of these agreements, these people should get into the exchange or amnesty program.

        and here Russia is guilty that the agreements are not being implemented? why not Germany and France? they also signed
        If it is really possible to force the Kiev junta to fulfill the agreements it signed, then Kharkov still has a lot of struggle ahead

        that's where the dog rummaged. CONSTITUTE junta fulfill their obligations. this also applies to the owner of the junta of the Faitington regional committee
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty April 6 2016 16: 14
          +4
          Quote: Lukich
          not a word about Russia. they opposed fascism

          And they just waved away mosquitoes with Russian flags?

          Quote: Lukich
          Well, of course, again Russia is to blame. we kind of promised nothing to anyone there


          About "Russian World" and about the most divided Russian people head of Russia for what and for whom did he speak? Repeatedly.

          If you “didn’t seem to promise anything to anyone there,” then it turns out that all these heads of Russia just carrots for fools?

          Y-yes ... and then the Ukrainians are accused of being "khataskrayniki" ...
          1. Lukich
            Lukich April 6 2016 16: 25
            +1
            Quote: Hlavaty

            And they just waved away mosquitoes with Russian flags?

            Ukrainians constantly waving the EU flag. is it also from mosquitoes?
            Quote: Hlavaty
            About the "Russian world" and about the most divided Russian people, the head of Russia for what and for whom did he speak? Repeatedly.

            he called on the outskirts to join the Russian Federation. or migrate en masse to us?

            Quote: Hlavaty
            If you "did not seem to promise anything to anyone"

            when promised ???? link, or video please !!! even in the Donbass about joining the Russian Federation and there was no question
            Quote: Hlavaty
            just carrots for fools?

            this "markovka" the junta invented. to accuse people of separatism. and I will quote again

            "Great Russia" was established in Kharkov as an all-Ukrainian social movement in 2008 with the aim of countering fascism, which, under the guise of Bandera and Ukrainian nationalists, actively promoted Yushchenko to power

            In fact, the Kharkov anti-Maidan movement is currently beheaded.
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty April 6 2016 16: 40
              +2
              Quote: Lukich
              About the "Russian world" and about the most divided Russian people, the head of Russia for what and for whom did he speak? Repeatedly.

              he called on the outskirts to join the Russian Federation. or migrate en masse to us?


              So you want to say that Putin's words about the "Russian world" and the divided Russian people were meaningless words? Some kind of hangover delirium that you shouldn't pay attention to? After the annexation of Crimea, these words were said "just like that"? And people, like fools, were led to an "innocent joke" ...

              Explain why he said all this.
              1. Lukich
                Lukich April 6 2016 16: 52
                +1
                Quote: Hlavaty

                So you want to say that Putin's words about the "Russian world" and the divided Russian people were meaningless words?

                where are the words about joining the outskirts of the Russian Federation ??? so where????
                Give a link!!!
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Explain why he said all this.

                don’t you understand? listen again
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty April 6 2016 16: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Lukich
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  Explain why he said all this.

                  don’t you understand? listen again


                  Yeah ... explained so explained!

                  Do you even understand what it is about?
                  1. Lukich
                    Lukich April 6 2016 17: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    Do you even understand what it is about?

                    I got it. and they understood.
                    "Kharkov underground workers wrote a program of all-Russian unity"
                    http://politobzor.net/show-88370-harkovskie-podpolschiki-napisali-programmu-obsc
                    herusskogo-edinstva.html
                    Quote: Hlavaty

                    Yeah ... explained so explained!

                    So I do not see links about joining. some cons. answer for your words
                    1. Hlavaty
                      Hlavaty April 6 2016 17: 37
                      -1
                      Quote: Lukich
                      and they understood.
                      "Kharkov underground workers wrote a program of all-Russian unity"
                      http://politobzor.net/show-88370-harkovskie-podpolschiki-napisali-programmu-obsc


                      herusskogo-edinstva.html

                      Read. A set of nonsense.
                      On the one hand, they declare war on all (oligarchs, corrupt officials, totalitarian sects, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the West and even agricultural holdings smile)
                      And on the other hand, something completely untranslatable:
                      "To begin the process of reintegration of the lands of modern Ukraine into the original civilizational space based on the ideas of democracy and federalism. To integrate into the CU, SCO, CSTO, eliminate the border with Russia."

                      What this could mean they do not explain, one can only guess. Or does it mean the restoration of Ukraine within the borders of 2014 (then Crimea should be returned?). Or it means reintegration into Russia ("liquidate the border with Russia"). But in Russia now there are all those to whom they declare war - oligarchs, corrupt officials, totalitarian sects and even agricultural holdings smile

                      Well, in the finale: "The ultimate goal of our struggle is to build the Russian People's State." Where in all this is the place of Russia - the authors have not determined. You can fantasize as you like.

                      Well, God be with them.

                      Quote: Lukich
                      I got it.

                      Better tell me what you understood from Putin's words about the "Russian world" and the divided Russian people? Enlighten me please.
                      1. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 18: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Read. A set of nonsense.

                        oh how! boldly. but in any case, people do at least something.
                        that the Russian people are settled and divided. Is it not clear?
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Enlighten me please.

                        Enlighten me. How could Russia help? tanks to enter? so this is war. why did you understand how it should be in the Donbass? you think almost two years hold on and beat punishers without help?
                      2. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 6 2016 18: 17
                        0
                        From your answers, I only understood that you did not understand Putin's words about the "Russian world". All your attempts to get out of the way say that for you these words are just a beautiful sound.

                        Quote: Lukich
                        Enlighten me. How could Russia help?

                        Just like the West helped its supporters. Organized, trained, provided money, weapons, political cover, etc.

                        Quote: Lukich
                        tanks to enter?

                        Well, what are you immediately grabbing for tanks? soldier
                        They don't start with tanks. Tanks end up "helping".
                      3. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 18: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        From your answers, I only understood that you did not understand Putin's words about the "Russian world".

                        understood and answered. it’s you constantly taking the conversation aside
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Just like the West helped its supporters. Organized, trained, provided money, weapons, political cover, etc.

                        But what did the Okraintsy themselves do for this ??? Donbass did and they helped him. or are they doing without Russian help there?

                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Well, what are you immediately grabbing for tanks

                        I do not grab. it’s you screaming that you were abandoned and silent why
                      4. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 6 2016 18: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Lukich
                        understood and answered.

                        Do not be cunning - there was no answer.
                        If I am wrong, then just cite your answer to the question "why is Putin talking about the" Russian world. "
                      5. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 19: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        "why is Putin talking about the" Russian world ".

                        because he is Russian and the fate of his compatriots is not indifferent to him. still have questions. and I have one for you. where are the links to the fact that the GDP promised someone help with tanks and the introduction of troops? and what kind of help was he specifically talking about
                      6. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 6 2016 20: 14
                        0
                        When asked "why" answer "because" ...
                        This is somehow not in Russian.
                        I'll try to clarify: I was not asking "why Putin spoke about the Russian world," but "why he talked about it. "That is, not what prompted him to this, but what purpose did he pursue when did you raise the question of the "Russian world"?
                      7. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 21: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        I'll try to clarify: I was not asking "why Putin spoke about the Russian world," but "why did he talk about it."

                        then, as a Russian, he is preoccupied with the state of affairs of the Russian-speaking population abroad.
                      8. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 22
                        0
                        To the question "what purpose did he pursue" the answer "then that" ...
                        Two in Russian?
                      9. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 21: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        To the question "what purpose did he pursue" the answer "then that" ...

                        I answered the question WHY he did it. just made a mistake quote
                      10. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 51
                        0
                        So what was his goal when he spoke of the "Russian world"?
                      11. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 22: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        So what was his goal when he spoke of the "Russian world"?

                        one goal, the unification of all who consider themselves Russian
                      12. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2016 09: 20
                        0
                        Well, finally answered!
                        Just not completely answered:
                        "unification of all who consider themselves Russian" what?
                        To a single country or to an interest club?
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  • perm23
    perm23 April 6 2016 11: 46
    +4
    Damn such a specialist, it was necessary to export to Russia. Mandatory.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 6 2016 14: 15
    +2
    If it’s ready, then it will lie, it’s not yet evening.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander April 6 2016 06: 46
    +18
    A beautiful Russian city, forcibly shoved by the Bolsheviks into Ruin. Even after almost 100 years of wild Ukrainization, Russian is still largely, thanks to the people mentioned in the article. Their deepest respect and speedy release.
    1. Alexy
      Alexy April 6 2016 15: 10
      0
      Yes, a representative of the older generation. And young people in Kharkov are completely zombie.
  • Mantykora
    Mantykora April 6 2016 07: 06
    +7
    Quote: parusnik
    What the "democratic" world does not protest and does not demand the release of these people .. But for the murderers, bones ready to lie ..

    "Civilized" world, what can you say, except for mate ...
    But Kharkov is waiting - you must be able to wait too ... The defeat in 2014 was not the end of the struggle. In general, they took three times to the Great Patriotic War: in 1942, the Kharkov offensive, which failed, in February-March, 1943, the Red Army took the city, but withdrew to Kursk due to the threat of the boiler, and, finally, the city of 23 on August was finally released.
  • Scud
    Scud April 6 2016 07: 09
    +13
    About half of us Ukrainians, Nazi Bendera’s m.a.a.z. the other half, for the most part, are intimidated and have lost all hope of justice. It is shameful for me to be a Khokhlo-Urkain !!!
    1. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera April 6 2016 07: 23
      +16
      Quote: scud
      It’s shameful for me to be a Khokhlov-Urkain !!!

      So do not be him! Or is it sitting so tight in your brain that you are some kind of separate people? From a scientific and historical point of view, this is not so. Here, rather, the question of self-determination. Yours faithfully hi
      1. tolian
        tolian April 6 2016 12: 18
        +4
        Once again I have to say - there is no such people "Ukrainians". As, however, and the "Americans". This is nonsense. Well, think well. Start with "Americans." It will come easier. And by analogy with the "Ukrainians" you will understand.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 6 2016 08: 15
      +14
      Quote: scud
      About half of us Ukrainians, Nazi Bendera’s m.a.a.z.

      Do not exaggerate, 20 percent of everything, they are just noisy and represent them everywhere, and therefore it seems that a lot.
      Quote: scud
      most frightened and lost all hope of justice

      I agree with this, that's why they are silent, or lie about their "commitment to the Maidan"
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 6 2016 16: 55
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        I agree with this, that's why they are silent, or lie about their "commitment to the Maidan"

        yes it seems they’re not silent anymore
        "Kharkov underground workers wrote a program of all-Russian unity

        06.04.2016 16: 11: 30
        Alexander Bulochkin

        A group of ideological like-minded people - Kharkiv residents decided to analyze the last two years of the anti-fascist movement of the Kharkiv region and came to the conclusion that they focused too much on the fact that we are "anti". Anti-fascists, anti-Maidan and so on. However, during all this time, they could not clearly answer the question, and for what in the end it is necessary to speak out and fight.

        Your attention is a collective work, a kind of proclamation, in which 20 steps are put forward to change the situation in the country, which we consider to be of the highest priority and necessary. Its text is not final and requires revisions. Even if all this is impracticable at this stage, we must now decide what we are fighting for. It is simply necessary to move forward. So, our theses. "
        completely here
        http://politobzor.net/show-88370-harkovskie-podpolschiki-napisali-programmu-obsc
        herusskogo-edinstva.html
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 6 2016 10: 01
      +1
      Quote: scud
      About half of us Ukrainians, Nazi Bendera’s m.a.a.z.


      Hey general, you would have shrugged your hands more modestly. How did you count these half? Speak better not for others, but for yourself.

      For example: "I, crest, half (up to the waist) Bendery m.r.a.z., and below the belt I am intimidated and have lost all hope" smile
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 6 2016 08: 12
    +18
    Very often in the comments of our readers there is a condemnation of a certain inertia of the population of Ukraine in relation to the ruling junta.

    At least one of the convicts went to Ukraine to organize or participate in the resistance of the junta?
    It's easy to blame sitting at a computer in Russia. And when your health and life are at stake, not only yours, but also your family?
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 6 2016 10: 04
      +3
      I think that a significant part of these "condemnors" are simply provocateurs, whose task is to shake the unstable and push them to some rash actions, where the SBU will accept them.
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 6 2016 08: 12
    +13
    "Russian" or "ukropitek" is a state of mind, despite the nationality, which is now not indicated.
    As for the betrayal ... well, the cunning mayor Kernes, who was so pro-Russian and persecuted by the Svobodovites (he had already been assassinated, was then treated in Israel), promptly assisted the rebellious citizens, brought tents and field kitchens, introduced his security structures to the ranks of the city’s defenders and after a week safely seized lists of 170 of thousands of people enlisted in the militia - with phones and addresses (not surprisingly, the entire asset of the city is sitting). Naturally, the SBU immediately connected, the Right Sector went to the addresses ... in short, someone managed to get to the Donbass, someone to Russia, and someone was unlucky. I know for sure that 200 man, after the arrest, first kept in touch with his relatives, is now gone. Absolutely.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 6 2016 08: 23
    +4
    There are still people in Ukraine who have not forgotten about their Russianness and do not want to
    lick a dupu to the Americans. It is a pity that there are few young faces in the pictures.
    1. baudolino
      baudolino April 6 2016 08: 37
      +6
      There are many young people in the DPR army.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 6 2016 08: 25
    +10
    Numerous protest movements in and of themselves do not arise.
    The West prepared the same maidan for several years.
    Pro-Russian leaders need our help.
    Whether anything is being done in this regard is unknown.
    No result so far.
    1. avt
      avt April 6 2016 09: 08
      +13
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Numerous protest movements in and of themselves do not arise.

      There arises .NO! Then the laws of any revolution come in, the protest is formalized into it by the organizing party. And here Dopa and Gepa from Beni's submission worked out to the full! First, they merged the legal component at the congress of regionals in Kharkov, not allowing them to follow the Crimean scenario. It was Sinkovitch who fled from Kharkov to the Donbass, and then to the Crimea. Then they blocked self-promoted people, but in the same Donbass Kernes was not found with mafia personal structures, but then, after turning the rotest into an unorganized Brownian movement without a clearly defined goal and its organized execution, the punitive stage of clearing obvious and potential candidates for the party’s organizers, who could already take the lead in the second wave, began, so Dopa and Gepa worked hard in the name of Bandera and Shukhevych , portraits of which Gepa promised in a television interview to Solovyov to roll up a pipe and insert visitors from Kiev to the maydaun banderlogs. But something tells me when the diesel fuel from the LDNR tanks smells of exhaust, all this bastard, headed by Gepa, will come out to meet with bread and salt and will blow in my ears about how they cherished everything for dear liberators. request
  • Egen
    Egen April 6 2016 08: 33
    +3
    Roman, as always, thanks for the info! In more detail, what is happening there now? Who writes and says what ... on Drome I recently read about the travels of Kharkovites (Russians) in Ukraine and Belarus last autumn, they say they also go to St. Petersburg and Europe without any problems. Everything is very simple, as if there are no problems at all nearby, the economy is fiddling, salaries are coming! I don't understand anything, what's going on there ?! How many people - so many "truths", nobody can be trusted! We have known you for a long time, Roman, and trust you, so write!
    1. boriks
      boriks April 6 2016 15: 41
      +5
      We live / survive, .. and We are waiting for the opportunity ... We do not listen to local propaganda. With posters and ribbons we will not defile. There is no necessary hand tool, so there is silence ...
      1. ava09
        ava09 April 6 2016 16: 18
        0
        One of the most important "hand tools" is the popularization of the life experience of this Big Man.
        1. boriks
          boriks April 7 2016 10: 39
          0
          Popularization is for a healthy society ... and we need emergency surgery, not manual therapy ...
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 7 2016 11: 19
            0
            In combination with psychotherapy.
  • LTL70
    LTL70 April 6 2016 08: 36
    +2
    I want to believe - the time will come and the bastards of the Bendery junta will get what they deserve !!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 6 2016 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: LTL70
      I want to believe - the time will come and the bastards of the Bendery junta will get what they deserve !!

      Not quite in the subject, but already indicative ...
      The funeral of the active Ukrainian nationalist Dmitry Godzenko, who was killed in the Donbass while trying to attack the villages of the Russian-speaking opposition in the Donetsk region, ended with reading anti-Semitic poems and burning portraits of Poroshenko, the correspondent of the Federal News Agency (FAN) reports.
      “Why did we go against each other, is that the point? It is necessary to end the war, on the other hand, Ukrainians also need to negotiate, not kill! ”Said the crowd gathered on Maidan on the occasion of the funeral of Dmitry Godzenko, an active participant in the 2014 coup (Godzilla call sign).
      “And I am not me, and you are not you wherever you look, all of them. My country and not mine. And I'm not me, not me at all. “Roshen” is around, and I’m like horseradish, without salt and without bread, I’m standing in shit, sick, bad, and I’m waiting for everything from heaven, ”one of the protesters read poetry.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/73694-pohorony-karatelya-zakonchilis-sozhzheniem-port
      retov-poroshenko-na-maydane.html

      yes, we made a show, tk. this is the dad of the ukrozhurnalist, but less than 1000 people from Kiev came. And if even among this thousand, in Kiev, such conversations began, the ice has not yet broken, but begins to crack thoroughly.
  • black
    black April 6 2016 11: 51
    -3
    Translated into spoken language. We are very, very good. We are for Russia and against the Maidan. We were simply deceived and betrayed, and now we are afraid. But among us there are real heroes, but they are in prison and nothing can be done. I just don’t know where to insert the phrases: ... we ourselves are not local and ... help someone than we can.
    1. ars_pro
      ars_pro April 6 2016 12: 52
      +6
      excuse me, I myself am a local, but people had hopes for the Russian Federation, but they did not come true, and, in principle, at that time people had the opportunity to defend their will. The point is probably that now it is too late to drink Borjomi, and even if someone says something, there’s no point, even if you bombard all instances from the presidential administration of the Russian Federation to the UN and Washington with letters, no one will establish the old relations and everything is as it was before will be. Therefore, perhaps all the resources will be thrown into the furnace of hatred for the Russian Federation, the "Svidomo" part of the population in a priori thanks to the media will support this line, those who did not fall for the media and understand what kind of "Europe" is coming here, and the further the more, the awareness that only the Russian Federation could stop everything and did not do it, thus it will turn even the people who initially sympathized with the Russian Federation against themselves. I can’t even imagine how Russia is going to resolve this issue, it seems that, as usual, it will put it on the back burner, only not a question as such, but a lot of other things and who ...
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 6 2016 17: 44
        +1
        Quote: ars_pro
        Yes, people had hopes in the Russian Federation, but they did not materialize

        what were your hopes? that Russia will send troops and declare war on the outskirts? are you out of your mind?
        Well, and how do you think she could stop without military intervention?


        Quote: ars_pro
        I can’t even imagine how Russia is going to solve this issue.

        Yes, why should Russia all ????? do you live there!!!!! you decide how to live !!!!! we are for the fact that you yourself do not want to live without the Nazis did nothing, and Russian mothers should send their children to fight for you ????
        1. ars_pro
          ars_pro April 6 2016 19: 19
          +4
          Quote: Lukich
          what were your hopes?

          Everyone probably has his own, for myself I can only say
          Quote: Lukich
          that Russia will send troops and declare war on the outskirts? are you out of your mind?

          Wait, nothing was said about the introduction of troops, much less about declaring war, reconsider your conclusions
          Quote: Lukich
          Well, and how do you think she could stop without military intervention?

          A correctly asked question is sometimes half the answer)
          Quote: Lukich
          Yes, why should Russia all ????? do you live there!!!!! you decide how to live !!!!! we are for the fact that you yourself do not want to live without the Nazis did nothing, and Russian mothers should send their children to fight for you ????

          You are probably very emotional), so many questions ranging from health to peace
          1. Lukich
            Lukich April 6 2016 19: 39
            +1
            Quote: ars_pro
            Everyone probably has his own, for myself I can only say
            Quote: Lukich

            do not share which? Did they promise you something?
            Quote: ars_pro
            Wait, nothing was said about the introduction of troops, much less about declaring war, reconsider your conclusions

            so what help did you expect?
            Quote: ars_pro
            You are probably very emotional), so many questions ranging from health to peace

            I am not very emotional, but I got these conversations that the GDP has leaked outskirts. promised and did not. but no one has yet said what he promised. Crimea without any conversation took a vote and returned to their homeland. Donbass in arms defends its independence
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty April 6 2016 20: 21
              +3
              Quote: Lukich
              but got this talk that the GDP has leaked outskirts. promised and did not. but no one has yet said that he promised


              Well, here is an example of his promise from 04.03.2014, which many in Ukraine took as a promise of protection from the APU:

              "Our troops will stand behind the women and children. Let them try to shoot them."
              Video on YouTube:
              1. Lukich
                Lukich April 6 2016 20: 47
                +1
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Well, here is an example of his promise from 04.03.2014, which many in Ukraine took as a promise of protection from the APU:

                and these many did not think that this would be a declaration of war? and these many did not think that the GDP could send troops only if asked about it? how could he just send troops into the territory of a sovereign state? these many thought that they would sit on the couch, and Russia to fight for them? what have many done ??
                here is the story of ukrainian
                "As for the betrayal ... well, the cunning mayor Kernes, so all pro-Russian and persecuted by Svoboda (there was already an attempt on his life, he was treated later in Israel) promptly provided assistance to the rebellious townspeople, brought tents and a field kitchen, introduced his security structures into the ranks of defenders city ​​and a week later safely seized the lists of 170 thousand people who joined the militia - with phone numbers and addresses (not surprisingly, all the city's assets are sitting) "
                What did these 180 do? What have you really done to give an occasion to send troops? or to introduce something like curtses in their backs?
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: Lukich
                  how could he just send troops into the territory of a sovereign state?


                  And why did he then ask and get permission for this from the State Duma?
                  1. Lukich
                    Lukich April 6 2016 21: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    And why did he then ask and get permission for this from the State Duma?

                    got permission to WHAT? to enter the troops for no reason?
                    1. Hlavaty
                      Hlavaty April 7 2016 09: 28
                      +1
                      "The Federation Council allowed Putin to send troops to Ukraine. March 1, 2014"
                      https://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/01/sovfed/
              2. Lukich
                Lukich April 6 2016 20: 52
                +1
                Quote: Hlavaty
                "Our troops will stand behind the women and children. Let them try to shoot them.

                and where is the APU in Kharkov? where is shooting at civilians? what cheated?
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Lukich
                  and where is the APU in Kharkov? where is shooting at civilians? what cheated?

                  He said it back in March. And there were troops in the Crimea. But when the Donbass flashed, troops were no longer found.
                  1. Lukich
                    Lukich April 6 2016 21: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    And there were troops in the Crimea.

                    they were always there. and crimea returned without firing a shot
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    But when the Donbass flashed, troops were no longer found.

                    and the second year the miners are fighting on their own with regular troops? and guns and ammunition fall from the sky?
                    1. Hlavaty
                      Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 44
                      +2
                      Quote: Lukich
                      and the second year the miners are fighting on their own with regular troops? and guns and ammunition fall from the sky?


                      This is more like a dead end. How many more years will it last? This is no longer a war, but some kind of money laundering. From all sides.
                      1. Lukich
                        Lukich April 6 2016 22: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        This is more like a dead end. How many more years will it last? This is no longer a war, but some kind of money laundering. From all sides.

                        I do not understand what you want ???? so that Russia will solve your questions for you, and while you are sitting on the couch, you’ll see how it ends ??? I know one thing, as soon as you yourself force the bucket to fulfill the Minsk agreements, Donbass will get freedom and even then, according to the Crimean scenario, it can become part of the Russian Federation as a federation. or whatever they want. this will be a signal to others. in the meantime, sit and wait, and Donbass will achieve his
                      2. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2016 09: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Lukich
                        I do not understand what you want ???? so that Russia decides your questions for you,


                        Yes, you at least solve your questions.
                        I already wrote that when a war against Russia is being prepared on the territory of neighboring republics (not only Ukraine), it is no longer only "our questions". This already directly concerns Russia.
                        How does Russia solve these issues?

                        Quote: Lukich
                        I know one thing, as soon as you yourself make the bucket execute the Minsk agreements

                        Can you teach how unarmed and unorganized citizens can force the Kiev authorities to implement the Minsk agreements?

                        Or do you just provoke people to thoughtless actions so that they too are raked in the SBU or simply killed?
          2. ars_pro
            ars_pro April 6 2016 20: 50
            +5
            Quote: Lukich
            do not share which? Did they promise you something?
            And you know, in general, there were hopes and very specific ones, for example, I would be interested in seeing Ukraine in the Customs Union, and yes they promised me this and not only me,
            Quote: Lukich
            so what help did you expect?

            Specifically for myself, I basically do not need help, well, except for the material, but I will earn it myself.
            Quote: Lukich
            got this talk that the GDP has leaked outskirts. promised and did not. but no one has yet said what he promised.

            Well, actually GDP was promised, and once promised it will be done, some efforts in Minsk are worth it, for the sake of Donbass, another thing is that the conditions are not met
            1. Lukich
              Lukich April 6 2016 20: 56
              +1
              Quote: ars_pro
              And you know, in general, there were hopes and very specific ones, for example, I would be interested in seeing Ukraine in the Customs Union, and yes they promised me this and not only me,

              she was in the customs union, what are you talking about? belay
              Quote: ars_pro
              Well, actually, the GDP promised, and once promised it will do,

              what did he promise you? take part in Russia? What exactly?
              1. ars_pro
                ars_pro April 6 2016 21: 46
                +3
                Quote: Lukich
                she was in the customs union, what are you talking about?

                No, there wasn’t a chip that they didn’t give
                Quote: Lukich
                what did he promise you? take part in Russia? What exactly?

                Heh yes calm down, he didn’t promise me anything, accept? The first time I hear, on the contrary, I fully supported the integrity of Ukraine. It seems that you were in Creos all this time)
                1. Lukich
                  Lukich April 6 2016 22: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: ars_pro

                  No, there wasn’t a chip that they didn’t give

                  sorry, your truth. so you were invited more than once.
                  1. ars_pro
                    ars_pro April 6 2016 22: 19
                    +2
                    Yeah, they invited, but there would have been norms in general, voiced unrealistic amounts with joint cooperation and production modernization, it’s another matter that ordinary people would not have gotten anyway, but the chances of a coup would have been much lower if Ukraine had already been in the TS at that time
      2. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 16
        +4
        Quote: Lukich
        Yes, why should Russia all ????? do you live there!!!!! you decide how to live !!!!! we are for the fact that you yourself do not want to live without the Nazis did nothing, and Russian mothers should send their children to fight for you ????


        Why this pathos? Let's look at the situation more calmly and soberly. This is pure geopolitics.
        Russia owes no one and is not to blame for anything - this is just to cover up talk about wine and duty.

        All problems arose from serious mistakes that Russia made in its policy after the collapse of the USSR. Then Russia found itself surrounded by the former Soviet republics, in respect of which it was not necessary to play with "democratic" principles. It was necessary to raise the question of controlling the situation in these republics. But Russia let everything go by itself.

        What immediately took advantage of the West and began to pump money into the promotion of Russophobia in these republics and the preparation of war in the CIS. I think the Russian special services were aware that camps were being set up to train militants and propagandists-agitators in Transcarpathia, Poland, and the Baltic states. Why didn’t Russia create such camps to train her supporters? Indeed, in those camps, training was clearly directed against Russia. And this is no longer the internal affairs of Ukraine and other republics. This is a purely Russian problem - they are preparing a war against you, but you are not blowing a mustache.
        The West massively created pro-Western public organizations and parties in all republics (not only in Ukraine). And he persistently crushed the pro-Russian. Why didn’t Russia defend the existing pro-Russian parties and organizations? Why not create new ones? How was she going to defend her interests? Feeding the Yanukovych? Mistake.

        In general, for many years Russia did not care what was happening in the republics. And when the anti-Russian Maidan banged, Russia suddenly "woke up" and began to demonstrate that it does not care what is happening in Ukraine. Pay attention - so far only in Ukraine, and so far no attention has been paid to what is happening in other republics.

        And here a strange situation arose: Russia suddenly did not care what was happening in Ukraine, but she did not know what to do about it. It is not possible to compensate for years of inaction in a few months - numerous supporters will not appear out of nowhere. They need to be grown, train, provide. Pro-Russian political forces will not arise out of nowhere - they must be created and defended. And this takes years. But they are not there - everything is happening now, we must respond. And Russia does not know how to react. Some kind of fuss continues with repeatedly betraying local elites, but this is the road to nowhere.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty April 6 2016 21: 17
          +3
          Russia's problem is the lack of a coherent policy towards its neighbors. As life has shown - politics "live as you want, just don't meddle with us" does not work. The West immediately replayed in its favor. Russia is trying to take some steps, but so far it is difficult to call them particularly successful. Often continues to step on an old rake.

          For example: why did pro-Russian Ukrainians have distrust of Russia?
          Russia made it clear that it is interested in having its supporters in Ukraine. And no concrete actions followed the words. And some pro-Russian Ukrainians took to the streets, hoping for the support of Russia. And they came under the most severe distribution - who burned out in Odessa, who were quietly strangled in the Dnieper, Zaporozhye and Kharkov, who are still sitting in the Security Service of Ukraine as the hero of this article, and who is already impossible to find. How did Russia support them? No way. Was it difficult to organize photo exhibitions of the Odessa House of Trade Unions throughout Europe and America? Russia did not even try. As well as not trying to help the hero of the article.

          It turned out that people were provoked to active actions, and then simply threw. This gave rise to resentment and greatly undermined confidence in Russia. Now people in Ukraine will not be deceived. Even to Putin’s words.
          Need a case. And not only in the Donbass, but throughout Ukraine.
          I don’t see them yet.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich April 6 2016 21: 25
            +1
            Quote: Hlavaty
            Need a case. And not only in the Donbass, but throughout Ukraine.
            I don’t see them yet.

            I will answer briefly. GDP cannot be responsible for what Yeltsin has done. Donbass wanted independence and began to fight for it, we helped him. Crimea helped. the rest of the outskirts is sitting exactly on the ass and waiting for the weather by the sea. wait further
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty April 7 2016 09: 50
              +2
              Quote: Lukich
              GDP cannot be responsible for what Yeltsin heaped


              Firstly, he still has to, because he is the head of Russia.

              Secondly, we are not talking about the fact that he should answer for someone. The point is that a large country (such as Russia) is doomed to keep its smaller neighbors under control. If she wants to live more or less calmly and develop.
              Russia cannot pretend to be the same country of the second (or third) world as Ukraine. Otherwise, it will fall into several countries of the second (or third) world.

              This is the logic of the existence of large states: either it controls the processes in small neighboring states, or it itself becomes a small state.
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  • Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 6 2016 16: 25
    +5
    Quote: black
    We are very, very good. We are for Russia and against the Maidan.

    We are ordinary. And many hoped for Russian help.
    But I don’t even know how to confront the armed and trained unorganized civilians.

    Quote: black
    I just don’t know where to insert the phrases: ... we ourselves are not local and ... help someone than we can.


    Judging by the flag, how do you like the most local to dump in the United States? From there it is more convenient to criticize those who live in Ukraine?
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 6 2016 17: 51
      +1
      Quote: Hlavaty
      We are ordinary. And many hoped for Russian help.

      for what help? on the entry of troops and the war with NATO?
      Quote: Hlavaty
      But I don’t even know how to confront the armed and trained unorganized civilians.

      But how has Donbass been opposed for two years? without the help of Russia? who wants to do, who does not want to come up with excuses. There were 170 of you. it is a force, but they did it and waited for the master to arrive and judge everyone. and Donbass did not wait and took everything into their own hands
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 6 2016 18: 07
        0
        Quote: Lukich
        for what help?

        If we are talking about confrontation with the West, then we probably hoped for the same help that the West provides its supporters: organizational, financial, military, etc.

        Quote: Lukich
        But how has Donbass been opposed for two years? without the help of Russia?

        Here is Donbass and shows what happens when Russia provides assistance somehow secretly, but does not want to officially recognize it. Decay begins - crime flourishes, some murky people appear in power (a sure sign of the restoration of the oligarchs' influence), people's leaders are suspiciously dying, etc. That is, the state is not being built, because under the Minsk agreements there will not be any LDNR, but there will be "separate areas of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions." Therefore, those who are now in power in the LPNR feel like temporary workers with a very vague prospect and can only guess what will happen to them when control over the border with Russia is transferred to the Kiev authorities (as provided by the Minsk agreements).
        1. Lukich
          Lukich April 6 2016 18: 44
          +1
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Here the Donbass shows what happens when Russia renders assistance somehow stealthily, but does not want to officially recognize it.

          rzhunemogu)))) what officially recognize ???? they are not part of the outskirts. fighting for federalization. recognize independence
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 6 2016 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: Lukich
            they are not part of the outskirts

            Before rzhatnemoch))) read the declarations and constitutions of the LDNR - they fought for independence. It was then they were dropped into the Minsk agreements. With the participation of Russia.
            1. Lukich
              Lukich April 6 2016 19: 34
              +1
              Quote: Hlavaty
              read the declarations and constitutions of the LDNR - they fought for independence.

              no need to juggle. for the exit, they declared after the troops were sent there. and even then there was no referendum. and according to the constitution
    2. black
      black April 6 2016 18: 07
      0
      I live in Krasnodar.
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf April 6 2016 12: 11
    +1
    Kernes by nationality is the same as the "God-chosen" Waltzman. Automatically, the enemy of the people. JV Stalin, you can’t deceive. He took them right away. But why the so-called "Russians" in Kharkov chose him is an interesting question It is clear that the flaw of our "authorities" or direct sabotage.
  • koshmarik
    koshmarik April 6 2016 12: 33
    +3
    If in the Donbass "For" and "Against" Russia 90x10 of the population, then in Kharkov initially 50x50 with minor situational fluctuations in both directions. That is why there is still no KhNR and Moscow is not speeding up this process.
    1. el-nino
      el-nino April 6 2016 14: 01
      0
      Quote: koshmarik
      then in Kharkov initially 50x50 with insignificant situational fluctuations in both directions.
      .

      I would also add on the side of the Maidan there were officials, small business, large-scale officials. That is, the most energetic, confident citizens.
      The proletariat and pensioners reached out to Russia. Initially, without having an organization, having lost the support of activists from Russia after the border was closed, the movement quickly fizzled out. And after the "development" of Avakov as the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it generally bent
  • avia12005
    avia12005 April 6 2016 14: 25
    +7
    It should be understood that Kharkov from the city of scientists, workers, cadets (there were 7 schools!) And students for 25 years turned into a city of merchants and students. The latter were fooled by the Russophobic propaganda during these 25 years, the merchants have never done uprisings. So, as it is not regrettable, no shocks of the junta in Kharkov can be expected. And Mikhalych, I personally know him, sorry. Courage and resilience to him. And health!
  • pts-m
    pts-m April 6 2016 14: 29
    -4
    Open YouTube and take a look at the videos shot in the Halkivah. There’s not a production, but a completely natural shot about the question of fascism. The reaction of all ages and the singing of young girls about gilyaka, misiskolyka, etc. Here their true attitude towards Russia is shown there.
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 6 2016 16: 29
      +3
      Quote: PTS-m
      .Here, their true attitude towards Russia is also shown there.

      You are ridiculous ... You judge the "true attitude" of Ukrainians to Russia by american youtube! request Hug and cry!
  • Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 April 6 2016 18: 45
    0
    If only he did not suffer the fate of the lawyer Grabovsky and Oles Buzina ...
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff April 6 2016 21: 12
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    What the "democratic" world does not protest and does not demand the release of these people .. But for the murderers, bones ready to lie ..

    then another "world". turn it over.
  • Shustov
    Shustov April 7 2016 00: 08
    +4
    Quote: Lukich
    But what did the Okraintsy themselves do for this ??? Donbass did and they helped him. or are they doing without Russian help there?

    You are talking nonsense. People stood up against the Security Service of Ukraine, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, special forces and other trained and strong young people, and most of them spontaneously are at the behest of the heart.
    Have you ever stood in front of an armored personnel carrier? Have you ever stood unarmed in front of a hostile armed Nazi, at least you cursed him, what does the light stand without being afraid, but suddenly it burns? If not, then do not tell me and people that someone did not get up.
    Look what kind of patriots they are here !! ?? You are now going to CTO in Dagestan. Well, why did someone from the regulars of the site go there !! ???? Helped the locals, helped the operatives! ?? No need to rush into the embrasures, maybe someone a psychologist, maybe a techie well, in general, someone went there as volunteers and you are respected including ?????
    And do not roar or minus.
  • Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander April 7 2016 00: 20
    -4
    The article looks like an excuse why Kharkiv residents did not follow Donbass and Lugansk. To do this, they took the example of one (!) Person and give it out as a SAMPLE. There are a lot of mythical "traitors", some kind of "lists" ... If you want to do something, you will find the means, if you DO NOT WANT, you will find the reasons ... Kharkiv residents did not want to, like in Donbass ... Well, this is their choice. When their area is populated by the Turks, then maybe they want?
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 7 2016 09: 57
      +3
      Let's see how you deal with this in Belarus. I do not wish you such shocks at all, but apparently - you are next in line for the Maidan.
      The truth will be easier for you - you will have before your eyes an example of Ukraine, about where silly dreams and complacency lead. Maybe this will help you somehow.
      And you will hope for Russian help even more than the Ukrainians - you are a union state.