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Helicopter SuperHind Mk IV, shot down in Nagorno-Karabakh, entered Azerbaijan from Ukraine

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The Azerbaijani helicopter shot down in the Karabakh conflict zone is a modernized Ukraine Mi-24 SuperHind Mk IV, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


Helicopter SuperHind Mk IV, shot down in Nagorno-Karabakh, entered Azerbaijan from Ukraine


The fact that the car was modernized in Ukraine is evidenced by the “Barrier-V guided missile containers of the Luch design bureau in Kiev, lying on the site of the crash,” notes publication author Lev Romanov.

According to him, “12 of such helicopters in the period from 2010 to 2011. Were modernized at the Konotop aircraft repair plant AVIAKON together with the South African company ATE,

As a result of the work done, “the machines received a new sighting system with thermal imaging channels, better equipment for crew cabs with multifunction displays, modern communications and navigation,” Romanov writes.

Helicopter used as weapons aviation 20 mm caliber gun.

“The above-mentioned aviation versions of the Ukrainian Barrier-V missiles are guided by a laser beam and are capable of hitting targets at a distance of 7500 m,” the agency said.

Previously, these helicopters were repeatedly demonstrated during military parades and were intensively used in exercises. However, the first combat use for the machine ended in tragedy.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 4 2016 13: 34
    0
    So handsome and scrapped. Ukrainians are underdeveloped or drank again.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 April 4 2016 13: 37
      +20
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Ukrainians are not working or drank again.

      "Downed in the zone of the Karabakh conflict ... "or do you think the Mi-28N or Ka-52 are invulnerable machines ?!
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 4 2016 13: 39
        +28
        Quote: evgenii67
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Ukrainians are not working or drank again.

        "Downed in the zone of the Karabakh conflict ... "or do you think the Mi-28N or Ka-52 are invulnerable machines ?!

        I think: they shot down - there is a way for him.
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist April 4 2016 13: 50
          +33
          In general, I really do not like it all. Surely there were some instigators and performers here, blood was shed, and no one was any easier.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 4 2016 14: 30
            -5
            Quote: 4ekist
            Surely there were some instigators and performers here.

            It happened.
            If you follow the news, every year their aggravation happens as it gets warmer.

            By the way, a similar situation was in Georgia, in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. In the spring, one shot, and off we go, before the cold weather ...

            This situation can only be resolved radically, again as in Georgia. Just God forbid we ourselves climb into this swamp. Let NATO and the Turks solve this problem, in the end, Armenia and Azerbaijan are their creations.
            1. Your friend
              Your friend April 4 2016 15: 48
              -7
              Quote: Spade
              This situation can only be resolved radically, again as in Georgia. Just God forbid we ourselves climb into this swamp. Let NATO and the Turks solve this problem, in the end, Armenia and Azerbaijan are their creations.

              With such non-"patriotic" thoughts, you will soon cease to be a marshal. Here common thoughts are not welcome. (((
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 4 2016 16: 22
                -1
                Nonsense. I have enough rating. 8)))
            2. Altona
              Altona April 4 2016 18: 02
              +6
              Quote: Spade
              Let NATO and the Turks solve this problem, in the end, Armenia and Azerbaijan are their creations.

              ---------------------
              We have in the center of Moscow full of actors and creatures of the CIA and NATO, so maybe NATO will give Moscow to Moscow? What torment? Give and see.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 4 2016 20: 40
                -2
                Quote: Altona
                Quote: Spade
                Let NATO and the Turks solve this problem, in the end, Armenia and Azerbaijan are their creations.

                ---------------------
                We have in the center of Moscow full of actors and creatures of the CIA and NATO, so maybe NATO will give Moscow to Moscow? What torment? Give and see.

                Do you distinguish between the people of Russia and the peoples of other states? Or do you want to die for the brother of the Armenians or the brother of the Azerbaijanis? So go ahead, no one bothers you.
                1. sergo42
                  sergo42 April 5 2016 07: 32
                  0
                  Correctly! This is not our conflict, and there’s no sense climbing into it. It’s better to help Donbass !!!
            3. alexmach
              alexmach April 4 2016 22: 56
              +1
              after all, Armenia and Azerbaijan are their creations.

              Explain the idea, how is it that they are their creatures?
            4. asiat_61
              asiat_61 April 4 2016 22: 58
              0
              Since when, Armenia and Azerbaijan, the creation of NATO?
              1. sergo42
                sergo42 April 5 2016 07: 38
                0
                Because these two countries are Participants in the NATO Individual Partnership Plan since 1994, as well as another NATO program - partnership for peace. As different clever people say here - learn the materiel.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach April 5 2016 09: 08
                  +1
                  Members of the NATO Individual Partnership Plan since 1994


                  Uh-huh and these "independent" countries from what year? And tell me which of the Soviet republics was the first to adopt the declaration of "independence"? Is NATO also to blame for "eating your own pie better alone"?
      2. SerAll
        SerAll April 4 2016 13: 43
        +1
        Good day to all, we think that "invulnerable machines" defines the skill and skills of the pilot / s on the one hand, the skills and abilities of countering the pilot / s on the other hand. Judging by the speed of "landing", these are the guys from the LDNR-))))
        ps well, what to do, nothing flies in / in Ukraine, and it’s necessary to work out / improve the skills)))
        1. max73
          max73 April 4 2016 13: 46
          +1
          flashed, like, humor ... Russian grammar, at least, learn ... and do not disgrace the Russian language.
          1. SerAll
            SerAll April 4 2016 13: 48
            +5
            And you, excuse me, want to show me something? justify
            1. neo.
              neo. April 4 2016 14: 07
              +1
              Quote: SerAll
              justify

              I think a colleague max73 drew attention to this -
              Quote: SerAll
              pilot skills
              (s) must be in parentheses.
              Quote: SerAll
              work out / improve
              separated by commas or in brackets.
              Quote: SerAll
              we we think that "invulnerables machines "defines the skill and skills of the pilots on the one hand, counteraction skills andоpelaтtsu on the other hand.
              Invulnerability cars!
              Generally a contradiction:
              "machine invulnerability" is determined ... by the skills and abilities of counteractionоpelaтtsu on the other hand.
              Пеpelats, if based on the film "Kin-Dza-Dza" (although, perhaps, through "o" - you are so "pinned") hi
        2. sgazeev
          sgazeev April 4 2016 13: 57
          0
          Quote: SerAll
          Good day to all, we think that "invulnerable machines" defines the skill and skills of the pilot / s on the one hand, the skills and abilities of countering the pilot / s on the other hand. Judging by the speed of "landing", these are the guys from the LDNR-))))
          ps well, what to do, nothing flies in / in Ukraine, and it’s necessary to work out / improve the skills)))

          Rather, the krivorukovy izer pilot. In the First Karabakh war, from the side of the izers the Slavs were present, it did not help. Why are the Slavs? There was a Transcaucasian Military District, many took root and took the oath of ayzers. Now we can retire or rest.
      3. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU April 4 2016 13: 46
        +19
        Quote: evgenii67
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Ukrainians are not working or drank again.

        "Downed in the zone of the Karabakh conflict ... "or do you think the Mi-28N or Ka-52 are invulnerable machines ?!


        Without an electronic warfare and jamming station, a pinwheel, even with LCD displays, is the same pinwheel as with analog indicators. I am already silent about divisive data, target designation, interaction with all groups of my army in a single information field.
      4. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris April 4 2016 13: 57
        +3
        There are no invulnerable cars .. By the way, the instrument complex and sights on this machine are very good.
        Quote: evgenii67
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Ukrainians are not working or drank again.

        "Downed in the zone of the Karabakh conflict ... "or do you think the Mi-28N or Ka-52 are invulnerable machines ?!
      5. dauria
        dauria April 4 2016 14: 42
        +8
        do you think Mi-28N or Ka-52 invulnerable cars ?!


        Everyone is vulnerable, the question is tactics. 7,5 km, certainly better than the old 5 km. But even this is not enough for a modern helicopter over a modern battlefield. And to use it as a transport for "hunting saigas" with shooting from a cannon or machine gun - this circus should remain only in Hollywood action films.
        Even a relatively weak, but organized air defense from MANPADS and a small one quickly landed the helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas. Those who want cool "selfies" are gone.
    2. Maksus
      Maksus April 4 2016 13: 37
      +4
      In general, it is South Africa, you never know where components were installed on it. Though in the Kurgan-Tube. Computers are also assembled here, but this does not mean that they are becoming Russian.

      But this design on the nose, it really interferes with the navigator, no?
      1. MARGEL
        MARGEL April 4 2016 13: 42
        0
        I take this calmly .. Everything is going according to plan!
    3. kitamo
      kitamo April 4 2016 13: 43
      +8
      if they modernized in Ukraine, then I won’t be surprised if he himself fell ... request
      1. igor67
        igor67 April 4 2016 13: 58
        +23
        Minus from me, for stupidity. I worked for 15 years at AVIAKON, with the Union of military unit 21653, this rembase for more than 70 years, the history is in the internet, and so it was at this enterprise that all the repair documentation for mi24 was developed, for the entire time the repair did not fall not a single machine, the modernization was carried out by order of the client, and what is the fault of Ukraine that brought down the turntable. Russian mi-24s are being repaired by the technology developed in the repair shop, as it was directly agreed with the Mil design office and the Rostov enterprise
    4. Altona
      Altona April 4 2016 14: 04
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So handsome and scrapped. Ukrainians are underdeveloped or drank again.

      ----------------
      These are the Armenians well done, dumping lyuli to the aggressors. And the non-brothers everywhere want to be noted, climb with their weapons and specialists, rattle the lids from the boilers. It’s just an itch on us and our allies.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 4 2016 14: 15
        0
        And who is the "aggressor"? And who is the "ally"?
        1. Altona
          Altona April 4 2016 15: 08
          +6
          Quote: Spade
          And who is the "aggressor"? And who is the "ally"?

          -------------------
          Azerbaijanis are aggressors, they started it. Allies are Armenians, but we keep elements of our military infrastructure from them. I try to use my sources through friends in the NKR.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 4 2016 15: 50
            0
            Quote: Altona
            Azerbaijanis are aggressors, they started it.

            Is not a fact. Only from the words of the Armenians.

            Quote: Altona
            Allied Armenians

            Is not a fact. Only from the words of the Armenians.

            Quote: Altona
            we keep elements of our military infrastructure with them.

            Because the Armenians could not get guarantees from NATO to maintain control of Armenia over the occupied territories.
            And then there is the sale of weapons by Russia to Azerbaijan ... So far I had to refuse to sign the "Association Agreement with the EU" and remain in the position of "tender calf"
            Last summer, the peak of the Russia-NATO confrontation ...
            A three-day seminar of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly is held in Yerevan, in which an unprecedented number of delegates from member countries of the bloc took part.
            1. Starshina wmf
              Starshina wmf April 4 2016 16: 02
              +11
              Armenians have no reason to start, there and so all of them.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 4 2016 16: 20
                -3
                Quote: Starshina wmf
                Armenians have no reason to start, there and so all of them.

                Not "them". But I want to.

                Armenia was afraid to declare Karabakh a part of its territory.
            2. Altona
              Altona April 4 2016 17: 58
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              Is not a fact. Only from the words of the Armenians.

              ----------------
              So we Turks are allies in your opinion? Who are clearly behind the backs of Azerbaijanis. I do not impose my opinion on anyone, but I believe that the NKR is directly and unambiguously subjected to aggression from Azerbaijan. Moreover, this point was presented to me 6 years ago, it is almost doctrinally spelled out in the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan as "the return of control over the lost territories." Apparently you have few houses pierced by shells, my friend in the NKR still has a dilapidated family 3-storey house with holes from shells in the walls.
            3. In100gram
              In100gram April 4 2016 20: 41
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Is not a fact. Only from the words of the Armenians.

              We'll find out over time. There is no truth yet, there will be stuffing from all sides. Hybrid war, "you know" (S)
              PS: I believe the Armenians more. I think so
            4. Alexander 3
              Alexander 3 April 4 2016 20: 52
              +1
              On the territory of Armenia there is a large military base, which is one of the guarantors of peace in this region. In the 70s, he served there when the base was in Akhalkalaki.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 4 2016 20: 59
                +1
                Quote: Alexander 3
                A large military base is located in Armenia

                Quote: Alexander 3
                served there when the base was in Akhalkalaki.

                Armenia? Huh? what
  2. max73
    max73 April 4 2016 13: 35
    .
    right now, a stream of comments will start ... oh, such-and-such Ukraine, ah, such-and-such Aliyev ... for the audience of this site - this is the norm)) and, tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, huh?
    1. max73
      max73 April 4 2016 13: 49
      .
      everything goes according to plan)) minus .... correspondent.net?)))))))))))) I waited 10 minutes ... there is no answer to the question))) as required to prove - the audience of this resource can only with couch without getting up urry screaming ..)) straight as the Ukrainians. no better
      1. SerAll
        SerAll April 4 2016 13: 53
        -2
        no, Maths teacher_)
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara April 4 2016 14: 12
        +21
        You are minus not for the truth, but for trolling. It is one thing to call for adequacy, another to call everyone a loser. What are you DOING if everything is bad for you here?
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 4 2016 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: max73
        there is no answer to the question)))

        It's just that Russia does not offer such a product to the market. Not profitable. Low-cost Mi-35, "adult" Mi-28 and Ka-52.

        Want to upgrade your Mi-24 from availability? Do this at your own risk. Apparently, it didn’t work out very well.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 4 2016 13: 58
      +4
      Quote: max73
      tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, but

      Almost half of Azerbaijan's combat helicopters are Russian Mi-35s. For the sake of purchasing a batch of these cars for border guards, they even suspended the program of modernization of the available "crocodiles" ... These are the pies with kittens.

      What can be blamed by Aliyev is only savings. Even the South African option of modernization could be more effective in attracting other contractors. Those Israelis who have strong military-technical relations with Azerbaijan.
      1. igor67
        igor67 April 4 2016 14: 12
        +7
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: max73
        tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, but

        Almost half of Azerbaijan's combat helicopters are Russian Mi-35s. For the sake of purchasing a batch of these cars for border guards, they even suspended the program of modernization of the available "crocodiles" ... These are the pies with kittens.

        What can be blamed by Aliyev is only savings. Even the South African option of modernization could be more effective in attracting other contractors. Those Israelis who have strong military-technical relations with Azerbaijan.

        I talked with the guys from the repair shop, everything there is a problem with South Africa's adaptation to the crocodile, along with the modernization of the machine, they are undergoing scheduled repairs, I also found repair of mi8 of Heydar Aliyev,
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 4 2016 14: 20
          +4
          Quote: igor67
          I talked with the guys from the rembase, all the same there is a problem with South Africa, the adaptation for crocodile

          If they weren’t there ... The South African men did the equipment for their ATGMs. It is not so easy to screw someone else’s, even if the documentation control system is the same, laser beam.
          1. igor67
            igor67 April 4 2016 16: 30
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: igor67
            I talked with the guys from the rembase, all the same there is a problem with South Africa, the adaptation for crocodile

            If they weren’t there ... The South African men did the equipment for their ATGMs. It is not so easy to screw someone else’s, even if the documentation control system is the same, laser beam.

            And this is the AIRACON for Algeria did
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev April 4 2016 14: 02
      0
      Quote: max73
      right now, a stream of comments will start ... oh, such-and-such Ukraine, ah, such-and-such Aliyev ... for the audience of this site - this is the norm)) and, tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, huh?

      You ask Aliev, what is more about trading or a statesman in it? ”So the Bulgarians were led, pulled to the pshkah.
    4. Altona
      Altona April 4 2016 15: 12
      +4
      Quote: max73
      right now, a stream of comments will start ... oh, such-and-such Ukraine, ah, such-and-such Aliyev ... for the audience of this site - this is the norm)) and, tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, huh?

      -------------------
      Azerbaijani tanks from Russia, and in the best configuration. But the Armenians are great, they were able to knock them out. I can't say about Aliyev. But once in Odnoklassniki I had an acquaintance Ijran Rustamzade, a former submariner from a nuclear-powered cruiser, now (maybe already an ex) Deputy Defense Minister of Azerbaijan. It seems that all people are sane one by one, but all together are unbearable. Speaking about the NKR, it is a very beautiful place, and how it is shot from the Azerbaijani side is simply unthinkable.
    5. Starshina wmf
      Starshina wmf April 4 2016 16: 03
      -1
      Ukrainians probably cheaper, and they are against Russia like the Azerbaijanis.
    6. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 April 4 2016 19: 33
      0
      Quote: max73
      right now, a stream of comments will start ... oh, such-and-such Ukraine, ah, such-and-such Aliyev ... for the audience of this site - this is the norm)) and, tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, huh?

      What is the question of price-quality know ???
      They were able to offer a profitable upgrade, mainly on imported, fairly good components.
      Why didn’t our plants do this ?? ... I don’t know .... Either there was no need, or they thought slower, or this industry was not at all interested ..... Now this topic, with imported components, is completely closed, sanctions .. ...
    7. The comment was deleted.
    8. In100gram
      In100gram April 4 2016 20: 45
      0
      Quote: max73
      the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, but

      The article says:
      Quote: max73
      “12 such helicopters in the period from 2010 to 2011. were modernized at the "Konotop aircraft repair plant" AVIAKON "together with the South African company ATE"

      PS: minus is not mine, although you deserve
    9. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 5 2016 00: 26
      0
      Quote: max73
      right now, a stream of comments will start ... oh, such-and-such Ukraine, ah, such-and-such Aliyev ... for the audience of this site - this is the norm)) and, tell me why, the helicopter was not modernized in Russia, huh?

      And you ask the Croats to assess the quality of the modernization and repair of the MiG-21 carried out by Ukrainian "experts"))))) The topic is fresh, you will find it.
      Get a lot of impressions, and without all the hats from the audience of this site. Quite drawn to an international scandal, without any "so and so"
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 4 2016 13: 37
    +19
    Do not hang the peasants nose 11 more pieces left. Enough for two weeks, and there the war will end.
  4. Misha Honest
    Misha Honest April 4 2016 13: 39
    +1
    Sorry - a little off topic, but urgently ...
    Lavrov: Russia stands for the preservation of Transnistria as part of a united Moldova
    Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1459764514
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 4 2016 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: Misha Honest
      Lavrov: Russia stands for the preservation of Transnistria as part of a united Moldova

      Lavrov is a very consistent politician. Transnistria into united Moldova, Donbass into united Ukraine, refugees, after unity, to Russia.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest April 4 2016 22: 34
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        Lavrov is a very consistent politician. Transnistria into united Moldova, Donbass into united Ukraine, refugees, after unity, to Russia.

        I really want to hope for this, but the last sparks of hope for the adequacy of the Kremlin are melting like snow outside the window ... request
        1. Karabin
          Karabin April 4 2016 22: 44
          +1
          Quote: Misha Honest
          but the last sparks of hope for the Kremlin’s adequacy melt away,

          I have not had them since April 14th.
  5. VP
    VP April 4 2016 13: 40
    +7
    Well, any helicopter can run into, the fact that the skakly changed the armament complex does not affect this.
  6. 4ekist
    4ekist April 4 2016 13: 44
    +16
    Quote: Misha Honest
    Sorry - a little off topic, but urgently ...
    Lavrov: Russia stands for the preservation of Transnistria as part of a united Moldova
    Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1459764514

    I’m sure if Moldova will adapt to the PMR, and not vice versa.
    1. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest April 4 2016 13: 46
      +8
      Quote: 4ekist
      I’m sure if Moldova will adapt to the PMR, and not vice versa.

      Keyword - if... hi
      1. skifd
        skifd April 4 2016 20: 55
        -2
        Quote: Misha Honest
        Quote: 4ekist
        I’m sure if Moldova will adapt to the PMR, and not vice versa.
        The key word is if ...


        You can rest assured that this is exactly what it is supposed to do. As well as "kraina" should become "food", but gradually reformatted to be more loyal and adequate. And this will be, do not hesitate - so many times the condemned "Minsk Agreement" provides a legislative justification for the gradual squeezing out of pid ... "partners" from the political field, and not only "nenki", dashing trouble is the beginning ... to believe the frivolity of "Minsk-2", if so many copies around it have already been broken. Time and patience which we all are so clearly lacking ...
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest April 4 2016 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: skifd
          You can rest assured that this is exactly what it is supposed to do. As well as "kraina" should become "food", but gradually reformatted to be more loyal and adequate. And this will be, do not hesitate - so many times the condemned "Minsk Agreement" provides a legislative justification for the gradual squeezing out of pid ... "partners" from the political field, and not only "nenki", dashing trouble is the beginning ... to believe the frivolity of "Minsk-2", if so many copies around it have already been broken. Time and patience, which we all obviously lack ...

          I think that many will agree with me that Minsk-2 already, in general, does not care about all the parties. Only Moscow still clings to these agreements, as to the holy grail. Yes, perhaps the Yankees, to blackmail them constantly with Moscow ... The rest are already fighting with might and main ... request
          As I see it, you actually offer 400 thousand Russians in Transnistria to give to the mercy of Moldova and Romania? Want a repetition of the Donbass scenario? And the opinion of the Pridnestrovians themselves about all this, you, like our government, have forgotten to find out?
        2. Karabin
          Karabin April 4 2016 22: 18
          +1
          Quote: skifd
          Like the "kraina", it should become "food", but gradually reformatted into a more loyal and adequate

          Like Poland, for example.
          Quote: skifd
          Only once the condemned "Minsk Agreement" provides a legislative justification for the gradual squeezing out of pid ... "partners" from the political field, and not only "nenki", it’s a start.

          The partners do not give a damn about the "legislative substantiation" and from the political field the "nenki" kicked out just that little pro-Russian that still remained.
          Quote: skifd
          You just have to be naive to believe the frivolity of "Minsk-2"

          You have to be a double-dealer to treat "Minsk 1 and 2" as a boon for the Russian people.
          Quote: skifd
          Time and patience

          Tell it to the inhabitants of Horlivka.
  7. rosstov
    rosstov April 4 2016 13: 44
    +2
    There they probably have a "modernized" chip - after 12 hours of flying, turn off all engines, and - welcome to the store for the next car, nothing personal, commerce. And here everyone is fighting - why did he fall?
  8. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 4 2016 13: 47
    +1
    So was the helicopter shot down or not? Each side speaks differently. There is a photo or video. Lay out.
    Does the article have a picture from some exhibition or something?
  9. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik April 4 2016 13: 51
    +2
    Beautiful car.
  10. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 4 2016 13: 52
    +20
    I looked at Azerbaijani publics, there is such a tin that my eyes are 5 kopecks. The type of Armenians is supported by Moscow, etc., where, etc. - Anything about the Russians, I don’t even want to write these KAMAZ slops. It is obvious that the Azerbaijanis are letting the Turks off the leash, the youth is being promoted mainly. Here is a video of the downed Mi-24
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 14: 12
      +17
      Quote: kirieeleyson
      I looked at Azerbaijani publics, there is such a tin that my eyes are 5 kopecks. The type of Armenians is supported by Moscow, etc., where, etc. - Anything about the Russians, I don’t even want to write these KAMAZ slops. It is obvious that the Azerbaijanis are letting the Turks off the leash, the youth is being promoted mainly. Here is a video of the downed Mi-24

      Yeah, look at the public of the Armenians. There is the same tin - the Russians sell weapons to Azerbaijanis, the Russians benefit from this war, the Russians leaked us. They all stand each other there - this once again confirms that under no circumstances should one climb into this conflict. They want to kill each other, forward is their own business.
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 4 2016 14: 23
        +1
        Yes, there is such a thing, it’s better not to read all this.
      2. gray smeet
        gray smeet April 4 2016 14: 28
        +2
        Both sides are good, that Armenia, that Azerbaijan - both sides will blame Russia. Someone should be extreme in these disassemblies (in their opinion) - both sides look at the former metropolis as the culprit. This conflict once again proves that the peoples of the outskirts of the empire lived peacefully only as part of a single country! And if they fought, then jointly, against external enemies. Recent conflicts are evidenced by Georgia, Azerbaijan-Armenia, Moldova - Transnistria, Ukraine. Tense relations (on the verge of cross-border conflicts) -Uzbekistan-Tajikistan, Uzbekistan-Kyrgyzstan.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 4 2016 14: 41
        +1
        And it is better for the Armenians to keep quiet about these deliveries. They themselves are to blame. We are not going to sign an association agreement with the EU ...

        Russian arms supplies to Azerbaijan are just a hint to the Armenian elites that the consumer attitude towards Russia, which dominates there, is not a very wise policy
        1. Altona
          Altona April 4 2016 15: 17
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          And it is better for the Armenians to keep quiet about these deliveries. They themselves are to blame. We are not going to sign an association agreement with the EU ...

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          The Armenians seem to be counting on their large lobby in the USA and France. But how can these "associations" help them, if even geographically Armenia is in no way connected with its Western diasporas? This is of course incomprehensible.
    2. pint45
      pint45 April 4 2016 14: 55
      0
      Do not go to our kindergarten with your rattles.
  11. V.ic
    V.ic April 4 2016 13: 55
    0
    For some reason, any aircraft ends up "on the ground" as a result. True, the degree of integrity is different.
  12. dvg1959
    dvg1959 April 4 2016 13: 58
    0
    All that is tragic, Ukraine is necessarily involved.
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 April 4 2016 14: 00
    +7
    Quote: evgenii67
    Downed in the zone of the Karabakh conflict ... "

    The situation is familiar. In South Ossetia, Georgian troops also used Ukrainian weapons. In general, I think all our friends need to get ready - Ukraine will certainly put weapons to their neighbors and forgotten conflicts will come to life. I think they will spoil them in Moldova, Turkey, and Central Asia. hi
  14. ydjin
    ydjin April 4 2016 14: 12
    0
    It’s unfortunate that my fellow Sakhalinites, who were still living in the USSR, were already after Nagorno-Karabakh, and all the murders there, the Armenians and Aiserbadzhanins stood and said that they were brothers and respected each other. Now everything is new. There was no history of a common country of the USSR, there is only bestial hatred. New politicians came, redrawn history. Next, voile! DIVIDE AND RULE! Until Russia takes you to itself, there will be civil strife! Oh, it's time to restore the USSR! Otherwise, people die and local authorities shake their dividends! But when we were all together! Think with your head until the option is canceled ...
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 14: 14
      -2
      Quote: ydjin
      Until Russia takes you to itself, there will be civil strife!

      What??? Where do you come from .... (((((
    2. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo April 4 2016 16: 14
      +2
      Quote: ydjin
      It’s unfortunate that my fellow Sakhalinites, who were still living in the USSR, were already after Nagorno-Karabakh, and all the murders there, the Armenians and Aiserbadzhanins stood and said that they were brothers and respected each other.

      I had exactly the opposite. In our battery, there were Azerbaijanis and Georgians with Armenians in training. Not from the very beginning, but somewhere closer to taking the oath, their own mafia "civilized" clans began to form between Georgians and Armenians on the one hand and "low" nations such as Azerbaijanis, Russian Balts and Asians on the other hand. Most of all, the "civilizers", not without the hidden zeal of our sergeant major, a conscript from Dagestan of our battery, hated Azerbaijanis, I remember sitting on a bench, and an Armenian came up to me and began to tell me in a "brotherly way" - how vile Azerbaijanis are and you can never believe them and in one place they have intercourse with each other, etc.
      Do you call this "friendship of peoples"?
      Thank you, but I don’t need such a false friendship, and there was no “friendship of peoples”, especially in the Soviet Army in the 80s, for sure, just the comrade officers did not know much about this matter. Yes, and until today they prefer not to know, so as not to upset themselves.
      1. dauria
        dauria April 4 2016 16: 58
        +1
        Thank you, but I don't need such a deceitful friendship, and there was no "friendship of peoples" especially in the Soviet Army in the 80s for sure


        All this is nonsense. In our unit, they were given luli at once to both "left" and "right". Military investigator-prosecutor-tribunal-disbat (if not a prison) every two years. Everything is like silk, all brothers. (Before the change of the call, who saw the whole process). Then repeat. And to miss the beginning of the conflict - and the Russian "prayer" Russians from the "taganka" will cut, although the border between them is a park and a river-shit.
        The order of the commander is 100% dependent. And on "friendship of peoples" and other philosophy do not care and forget.
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  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 4 2016 14: 18
    0
    It is not worth buying weapons from Ukraine. Their aura is bad. winked There and the Croats will confirm. (if cho, I'm not a philologist) recourse
  16. skeptic
    skeptic April 4 2016 14: 19
    +2
    But I feel equally sorry for both Azerbaijanis and Armenians ...
    It is a pity that for the sake of unfit politicians and false ambitions, young guys are dying.
    By the way, to the question of the Conspiracy.
    I agree with Lavrov - and here the ears of the Conspirators stick out.
    Neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan needs this.
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  18. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k April 4 2016 14: 42
    +3
    Perhaps, nobody experiences special joy from the Nagorno-Karabakh massacre in Russia in Russia. Azerbaijan and Armenia, think twice before it’s too late, you are led by Erdogan and Uncle Sam as rams for slaughter.


    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: evgenii67
    Downed in the zone of the Karabakh conflict ... "

    The situation is familiar. In South Ossetia, Georgian troops also used Ukrainian weapons. In general, I think all our friends need to get ready - Ukraine will certainly put weapons to their neighbors and forgotten conflicts will come to life. I think they will spoil them in Moldova, Turkey, and Central Asia. hi


    Ukrainians do not know how to arm their army, almost tanks-monuments and 85mm d-48 guns are already in use, and you say ....
  19. sery volk
    sery volk April 4 2016 15: 32
    +4
    Azeris have no chance in a full-fledged war, the Armenians are more motivated, and they are fighting better, the first war showed this, in which case the Armenians will destroy the oil fields in the Caspian Sea, and Baku will end, they only keep oil.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 4 2016 15: 57
      +5
      However, Azerbaijan has an absolute superiority in all types of weapons, from aviation to the MLRS and OTRK.

      Only T-90 with 100 pieces + BMP-3M - 100 pieces. The Armenians 35 have relatively new T-72BAs from the presence but with BTRZ before the sale, and 55 BMP-2 from the presence of BTRZ. The rest is used without kapitalok or the Soviet legacy in general (about 200 T-72Б and 20 T-80 + all BMP-1). In Azerbaijan, the majority of T-72Bs underwent modernization and received a TPV + positioning system on the battlefield, plus automated control systems were introduced, new command and control systems (bought up from Israel).

      In general, in terms of armaments, Azerbaijan over the past years 7 has bought billions for 20-25 dollars from around the world, and Armenia only penny purchases, gifts and loans.

      Although by skill and "darling" the Armenians will be better here.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 4 2016 16: 05
        -6
        This will not save Armenia from defeat.
        1. VP
          VP April 4 2016 18: 13
          +1
          The Saudis snapped off again yesterday. And they are abruptly packed.
  20. drilled
    drilled April 4 2016 15: 36
    -1
    Does this optical stray with a visible gun in the nose cover the operator’s view?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 4 2016 15: 53
      +1
      These are the eyes. There assembly - TPV, optical zoom and so on. Eyes do not see it.
      1. drilled
        drilled April 5 2016 10: 21
        0
        Ie it is believed that the operator does not look through Plexus? Why then a cabin? Put him then in the salon, cling to computers, why should the cab be fenced? Talk nonsense. A helicopter is not a tank for you, here the situation instantly changes, and you can’t keep track of it in the monitor.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 4 2016 16: 10
      +1
      There are probably four channel systems: laser, optical, thermal imaging, night vision.
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 4 2016 16: 18
    +5
    The republics wanted to be independent and became. Let them now resolve themselves. They will ask for help, let them give in return whatever their own. Clean business ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 4 2016 16: 29
      +4
      Armenia is in the CSTO - therefore, the window of maneuvers is rather narrow. If Armenia officially declares that it was attacked (and not Karabakh) and appeals to the CSTO, it will be necessary to react or the bloc will prove insolvency.
      1. Your friend
        Your friend April 4 2016 16: 31
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Armenia is in the CSTO - therefore, the window of maneuvers is rather narrow. If Armenia officially declares that it was attacked (and not Karabakh) and appeals to the CSTO, it will be necessary to react or the bloc will prove insolvency.

        Do you seriously consider the CSTO a "serious" bloc? Are you joking?))))
      2. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz April 4 2016 18: 30
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Armenia is in the CSTO - therefore, the window of maneuvers is rather narrow. If Armenia officially declares that it was attacked (and not Karabakh) and appeals to the CSTO, it will be necessary to react or the bloc will prove insolvency.

        Azerbaijan will not go further NKR, but it has not yet entered there. A difficult situation, Lavrov probably in the soap.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 4 2016 16: 41
    -1
    Of all the CSTO, Russia will just twitch .... I think that if Belarus and Kazakhstan would jerk, then Azerbaijan and Turkey would have enough weeks to give Armenia two weeks.
  23. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin April 4 2016 18: 10
    +1
    It is a pity that the two brotherly people for us cannot find mutual understanding.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 4 2016 18: 33
      +1
      Peoples are not subjects in politics, but objects. Peoples are needed in order to supply soldiers. If you agree that communist public property can be privatized, get ready for endless wars in which
      Quote: Rossiyanin
      two fraternal peoples for us cannot find mutual understanding
      .
      I have the honor.
    2. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 20: 39
      0
      Quote: Rossiyanin
      It is a pity that the two brotherly people for us cannot find mutual understanding.

      Wahahahaha .... Have Armenians and Azerbaijanis already become our "brotherly peoples"? Ukrainian "brotherly people" are not enough for you? I hope you’re joking.
  24. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 4 2016 18: 40
    +2
    The situation is very complicated ... Armenia is in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and our contingent is there ... If they start to hurt, then we will have to harness it otherwise the Collective Security Treaty Organization will cease to exist ... Russia has obligations ... Ah, for such cases, yes, special people, otherwise he will be sent again and efficiency will be as always, heaps of corpses, and the generals of the order and medals ... People for special operations in Russia do not seem to be needed, these are mercenaries))) ... In the Russian army there are professionals who are from unemployment came to serve for 30 thousand rubles as a daycare on the bedside table ... Sorry, I was distracted ... Azerbaijan is our neighbors and have a common border with us ... And accordingly, if we join the side of Armenia they will close the border and in every possible way will spoil already open and take anti-Russian position ... But they border Dagestan ... They can then carry out a direct flow of terrorists to Russia and of course weapons and other things ... I think the United States has nothing to do with it ... Otherwise, what's the point of defrosting this conflict ... Nagorno-Karabakh - land of Armenians the fact that they administratively became part of Azerbaijan under the USSR, and after the collapse of the USSR, it means nothing ... Azerbaijan does not have any rights to the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh, and what they lost besides this is the result of consolidating the results of the war ... Armenia in general there was no point in starting a war ... First of all, they are quite happy with the results of the armistice, secondly, Armenia has fewer resources, starting a war is suicide for them ... And for what, to capture Azerbaijan? ))) Azerbaijan definitely started the war ... Moreover, they did not hide their intentions ...
  25. atamankko
    atamankko April 4 2016 19: 10
    -1
    Sorry for those who have to fly these "modernized" turntables.
  26. Sergey333
    Sergey333 April 4 2016 19: 50
    +1
    And what about the fact that it is modernized in Ukraine? There are plenty of our weapons, but the Ukrainians are simply damping.