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Oil, budget and liberals

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The Liberal West is indignant: Russia will not fall into the pit of the economic crisis. The industry feels not so bad; in two months of 2016, she even showed a slight increase. Unemployment has not jumped to a catastrophic value. Imports are low: a diversified Russian economy produces most of what it consumes. Gold reserves are also large.


Oil, budget and liberals


Finnish entrepreneur, board member of the Association of European Businesses, managing partner of Avara, polyglot (English, Russian, Finnish, Swedish, Spanish) Jon Hellevig on the pages "Awarablogs" He spoke about the incorrect approach to Russia as a gas station in the West (as “to a gas station disguised as a country”).

In the West, they asserted that the Russian economy was "torn to shreds": after all, the Russians do not know how to do anything except drain oil from the depths.

But now, the publicist notes, the share of tax revenues in the form of deductions from the sale of oil and gas in Russia fell to 21%, but no collapse of the Russian economy is observed.

“Well, now their dream of low oil prices has come true, but one way or another, it could not lead to the destruction of the Russian economy,” the Finnish journalist notes with irony.

The industry not only did not collapse, but showed a slight increase (by 1%) for two months of the current year and falling only insignificantly (by 3,4%) for the entire 2015 year. Unemployment remained at 5,8% of the economically active population.

The balance of trade for the year showed 46% of exports (tremendously!), Thereby saving 160 billion dollars in the Russian treasury.

Imports are at a historically low level, but this is explained by the fact that “most of what it consumes, the diversified economy of Russia currently produces domestically.”

According to the latest data, gold and foreign exchange reserves amounted to $ 370 billion.

Last week, the expert continues, haters of Russia poured "a whole tub of cold water" on their heads, saying that by the end of February, the share of oil and gas in the country's tax revenues had dropped to 21%.

This figure went far away from 50% - the budget level that Western “experts” usually give for Russia, proving its dependence on oil and gas.

A Finnish analyst believes that the new data suggests that Russia has a “sufficiently diversified economy” and other sources of income at the times when the price of oil goes down.

By Western standards, Russia today has a perfectly acceptable budget deficit (as expected, it will be 3,8% of GDP for the consolidated budget compared with 4,6% in the previous year).

There may be some misunderstanding. The fact is that the Russian government reported that the share of oil and gas sales in federal budget revenues fell to 37,4%, and not to 21%, which the analyst is talking about. He himself explains this discrepancy.

The key word here is “federal.” For “some archaic reasons,” the expert writes, the Ministry of Finance of Russia publishes its reports in terms of the “federal budget” concept. Finn thinks it can be "misleading." It would be correct to talk about a consolidated budget.

Due to the adopted accounting policy and administrative rules, the budget system of Russia is divided into three main categories: the federal budget, regional budgets and state social insurance funds. Various types of taxes are sent to one of these budgets, and only their full consolidation demonstrates the total income of the state, the publicist points out.

All receipts of the personal income tax and about two-fifths of the income tax, as well as social security contributions (“payroll taxes”) remain outside the federal budget. It is easy to imagine how this division varies from one year to another; in fact, it has happened over the years.

Therefore, "it is absolutely pointless to copy large headlines announcing oil and gas revenues from one of the parts of the state budget." This is harmful primarily to those who make decisions in the economy.

In most countries, the listed types of taxes are contained in one budget. For example, just look, say, at the budget of the United States. Therefore, the expert believes that those who analyze Russia's dependence on oil and gas and take into account the role of raw materials in Russian public finances should be operated on with indicators of the consolidated budget, and not the federal one.

Awara allowed back in December 2014 of the year that the Russian economy is much more diversified and modern than it is thought. The stability of Russia during the period of sanctions and low oil prices has been largely proven. So who harms Russia with the myth of oil dependence?

According to the Finn, the wines of “liberal economists and their media” are here, who “distort” the situation by manipulating export shares and tax revenues from the oil and gas industry in Russia. Hellevig thinks that these people "hate" the raw materials industry, because it "helps to preserve Russia's independence."

According to the analyst, Putin "for many years led the economy" so that the decline in oil prices "did not destroy the country."

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We will add a different opinion from ourselves, this year expressed ... V.V. Putin.

The biggest harm for Russia is not the sanctions, but the oil and gas revenues that the Russian government is accustomed to counting, the Russian president said in a January interview with the German edition of Bild.

“With regard to the greatest harm that is being done by the current situation, of course, above all, harm to our economy - this is harm from lower prices for traditional goods of our exports. But in the first and in the second there are negative, but, oddly enough, there are also positive things, ”he said. vestifinance.ru.

“When oil prices are high, it is very difficult for us to keep from using oil revenues for current expenses. And in our opinion, the non-oil and gas deficit has grown to a very dangerous level, ”Putin told the publication. - Now we have to lower it. And it heals. "

“We have a general deficit, there are non-oil and gas revenues. There are revenues that we receive from oil and gas, the president explained. - The overall deficit is small. And if you clean the oil and gas, then from the oil and gas is too large. And in order to reduce it, a country such as Norway, for example, sends a significant part of non-oil and gas revenues to reserves. It is very difficult to refrain from spending, I repeat, the income from oil and gas for current expenses. The reduction of these expenses is improving the economy. This is the first.

And here is the second: “And the second: everything can be bought for petrodollars. And when the income from them is high, then there is a destimulation of their own development, especially in high-tech industries. We are now seeing a decline in GDP by 3,8%, industrial production - by 3,3%, inflation has increased to 12,7%. This is a lot, but at the same time, we maintain a positive balance of foreign trade, and for the first time in many years, our exports of products with high added value have significantly increased. This is definitely a completely positive process within the economy. ”

Thus, V. Putin spoke about the greatest harm to the economy "from lower prices for traditional goods" of Russian exports. “Traditional” is oil and gas. High prices for oil and gas lead to discourage development: “everything can be bought for petrodollars”. That is, and it is harmful. It is clear that a strong dependence on the sale of raw materials, and at the same time on the conjuncture of the world market, harms Russia. It's hard to argue with that.

Hellevig, we recall, believes that the raw materials industry "helps to preserve the independence of Russia."

Probably, Arab monarchies, Qatar or Saudi Arabia, also retain their “independence” in the same way. That's just not clear why they are from 1970's. participate in the petrodollar deal with the United States. Probably for even greater independence.

Only a strong and high-tech country that is able to provide for itself can be truly independent, and not one that pumps out raw materials from the depths and sends to “partners”, and buys American “treasuries” for the money.

As for the “liberal economists and their media” mentioned by Hellevig, aren't the liberals seated by someone in the economic block of the government? An elephant was not noticed, right?

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  1. The black
    The black April 5 2016 06: 23
    +36
    Michelle in the fight against the Putin regime,
    soul and body very tired.
    And taking away a comrade from the party,
    ceased to be the banner of "Parnassus" laughing

    Which liberals? We have no liberals. There is a handful of thieves who plundered Russia in the 90s, and when they were torn from the feeder, they found another, in the form of grants from the West. These people will never think about people and the country.
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna April 5 2016 07: 01
      +79
      Which liberals? We have no liberals.


      1. ILYA M
        ILYA M April 5 2016 07: 27
        +4
        JUST "BRAVO !!!!". You can't say more precisely.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 5 2016 08: 09
          +6
          Quote: Black

          Which liberals? We have no liberals. There is a handful of thieves who plundered Russia in the 90s, and when they were torn from the feeder, they found another, in the form of grants from the West. These people will never think about people and the country.


          Absolutely, they only dream of a trough, but a bigger mouth and that’s all.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 April 5 2016 08: 34
            +18
            Quote: cniza
            Absolutely, they only dream of a trough, but a bigger mouth and that's it

            Exactly:
            1. Lelek
              Lelek April 5 2016 11: 35
              +13
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Exactly:


              Add a colon:
              (cry.)
              1. 1rl141
                1rl141 April 5 2016 13: 27
                +8
                Are there Russians in this gang?
                Soothing one thing, in this gang there is Katz. And Katz always offers to give up.
              2. Bort radist
                Bort radist April 5 2016 15: 35
                +2
                Trinity is why they called Trotsky winked Dreams Dreams ...... lol
          2. region58
            region58 April 5 2016 14: 41
            +24
            Quote: cniza
            they only dream of a tub, but a bigger mouth and that’s it.

            Here is an opinion:
    2. Finches
      Finches April 5 2016 07: 09
      +37
      Iosif Vissarionovich, as an intelligent and far-sighted politician, understood the depth of the abomination and baseness of the liberal - traitors! Moreover, having an example that the seemingly unshakable monarchical regime fell and not by the will of the Bolsheviks, Koba, like no one else knew, that the revolutionaries had nothing to do with the change of the regime, but only because of the total betrayal of the liberal stratum of tsarist Russia! He made the only correct decision - to wipe them into camp dust, which allowed the country to withstand fascism, become an industrial state, fly into space ... But he did not take into account the fact that liberalism is a hydra, which instead of a severed head grows five, which ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR! Nevertheless, I still think that "Camp dust" for our liberals is the best faction in the political structure of the country ...!
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan April 5 2016 08: 48
        -17%
        Quote: Finches
        Joseph Vissarionovich, as an intelligent and far-sighted politician, understood the whole depth of the abomination and baseness of the liberal - traitors! Moreover, having an example that the seemingly unshakable monarchical regime had fallen and not by the will of the Bolsheviks, Koba, like no one else knew, that the revolutionaries had nothing to do with the regime change, but only because of the total betrayal of the liberal stratum of Tsarist Russia !!

        I am sure that if you said that Stalin and the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the fall of tsarism in the era of the final victory of socialism, you would have very, very big problems. Until the change of profession. And diet. And in general, the mode of existence.
        The Leninist slogan of the development of an imperialist war into a civil one was put forward by the emigrant Ulyanov back in 1915. And in 1918 successfully implemented. Having shot the king with the children at the same time, to the fall of which he did not have, in your opinion, nothing to do.
        1. Stalnov I.P.
          Stalnov I.P. April 5 2016 09: 16
          +13
          Open the story to a connoisseur and see how the king abdicated and what people stood behind it, there is not one revolutionary there, only dignitaries and high generals, nicholas himself was still that JUDAH, i.e., all the king’s entourage had a hand in overthrowing the monarchy.
        2. tank64rus
          tank64rus April 5 2016 09: 54
          +8
          Lenin himself was dying during the execution of the tsar and his family, after the Socialist Revolutionary Kaplan put four bullets into him during a rally at the Michelson plant. By the way, she is from the entourage of Trotsky and Sverdlov, so she was then very quickly removed. Dzerzhinsky learned about the execution at the meeting, his words are known, the general meaning of which, what these have done. Trotsky and Sverdlov were directly related to the execution. Sverdlov was soon overtaken by the "hand of the proletariat." Well, Trotsky received his much later. Always at the top of the Bolshevik Party, as in any other, various groups fought for power. To imagine that it was a monolith means stupidly repeating propaganda.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 April 5 2016 16: 39
            +2
            tank

            The Bolsheviks, in fact, did not know anything about the royal family. They generally had nothing to do with this family. They had their own business to the throat. True, someone even managed to take care and the royal family was allocated a guard who, in fact, kept this family as much as he could. In the last house of the royal refuge, the entire population around helped as much as they could. The king, this is the governor, an untouchable person. This has been laid in the mind for centuries.

            Ayvot why the king’s relatives from abroad did not invite the king and did not save him. This is also worth considering.
        3. tank64rus
          tank64rus April 5 2016 09: 54
          -1
          Lenin himself was dying during the execution of the tsar and his family, after the Socialist Revolutionary Kaplan put four bullets into him during a rally at the Michelson plant. By the way, she is from the entourage of Trotsky and Sverdlov, so she was then very quickly removed. Dzerzhinsky learned about the execution at the meeting, his words are known, the general meaning of which, what these have done. Trotsky and Sverdlov were directly related to the execution. Sverdlov was soon overtaken by the "hand of the proletariat." Well, Trotsky received his much later. Always at the top of the Bolshevik Party, as in any other, various groups fought for power. To imagine that it was a monolith means stupidly repeating propaganda.
        4. Stanislas
          Stanislas April 5 2016 09: 55
          +8
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          if you said that Stalin and the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the fall of tsarism in the era of the final victory of socialism, you would have very, very big problems
          Stalin has nothing to do with the "era of the final victory of socialism" (XXI Congress), unless the dead people from the other world form a personal attitude to what is happening on earth, and what happened under Khrushchev is not about that. Everything is correct about Lenin's slogan of the development of an imperialist war into a local - civil war. There, some of the prominent party members after the victory in the Civil War wanted to arm the people with kerosene, straw, matches and move them to Europe - to kindle a global fire. Stalin, on the other hand, ended the global class wars that he had not started, moved on to an open ideological struggle in the press with his fellow party members, and having received the support of the majority and with the resistance of opponents, he applied the policy of a targeted struggle against the enemies of the people (not the proletariat, mind you!). This was not a theoretical debate of political scientists on talk shows, but a struggle between politicians, whose interests are behind the fate and lives of millions of people. Stalin outlined his position in his work "Marxism and the National Question" (1913) and then expounded on almost all issues openly, and his actions did not differ much from his words.
        5. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad April 5 2016 12: 26
          0
          Dap Morgan (1)
          I am sure that if you said that Stalin and the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the fall of tsarism in the era of the final victory of socialism, you would have very, very big problems. Until the change of profession. And diet. And in general, the mode of existence.
          The Leninist slogan of the development of an imperialist war into a civil one was put forward by the emigrant Ulyanov back in 1915. And in 1918 successfully implemented. Having shot the king with the children at the same time, to the fall of which he did not have, in your opinion, nothing to do.


          I gave you +, but they will devour you here with giblets. Since Lenin / Stalin / KPSS is not touching, not discussed and not criticized. And all who are "not for" -the Russophobes and traitors and the 5th column.

          In general, I am touched by the communist quality of fine-tuning the facts to the desired conclusion. That's who was the true 5th column in 1917. The army was destroyed from the inside, 1MV was handed over to the Germans, the Russian peasantry, the Cossacks, officers - under the root. Even Finland! (the province was deaf, useless to anyone) - and that one was lost ...

          "-" is easier to divide into two. wink
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        6. Finches
          Finches April 5 2016 13: 48
          +3
          Are you from the camp who convince everyone that the Bolsheviks overthrew the tsar, and then Stalin personally shot the billion who overthrew the tsar ..? laughing
        7. Vadim42
          Vadim42 April 5 2016 14: 40
          +7
          You got already with the tsar and his children, he is that the only victim before or after the revolution. A simple family from the Oryol province is worse? At least the king had the opportunity to rule ......
        8. gladcu2
          gladcu2 April 5 2016 16: 33
          +2
          Cap. Morgan

          Tsarism at one time tried to fall. So much so that the state collapsed with a bang. The Bolsheviks did a great job to restore this state.
        9. Nick
          Nick April 5 2016 20: 49
          +3
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          The Leninist slogan of the development of an imperialist war into a civil one was put forward by the emigrant Ulyanov back in 1915. And in 1918 successfully implemented. Having shot the king with the children at the same time, to the fall of which he did not have, in your opinion, nothing to do.

          You are not up to date simply! The tsar’s power fell in Russia as a result of the February, bourgeois, liberal-democratic revolution, to which the Bolsheviks had a very indirect relationship. All power in the country passed to the Provisional Government, headed by A.F. Kerensky. The Bolsheviks, however, came to power as a result of the October Revolution, as a result of which the Provisional Government was dispersed.
          And the former imperial family, along with the service staff, you are right, the Bolsheviks shot dead without judgment.
      2. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 5 2016 13: 42
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Joseph Vissarionovich, as an intelligent and far-sighted politician, understood the whole depth of the abomination and baseness of the liberal - traitors!
        For lovers of Joseph Vissarionovich for memory:

        With the beginning of the forced collectivization of agriculture and accelerated industrialization in the late 1920s - early 1930s, as well as the strengthening of Stalin's personal power, repressions became widespread. They reached a special scope in 1937-1938, when the NKVD bodies were 1,58 million arrested man and sentenced to be shot 682 thousand. person. Are there not many traitors?

        In only two and a half months - from the second half of November 1927 until the end of January 1928 - 2288 people were expelled from the party for membership in the “left opposition” (another 970 oppositionists were expelled before November 15, 1927). The cleansing of the party from the opposition continued throughout 1928 ...

        In total for 1930-1931, as indicated in the certificate of the Department for Special Migrants of the Gulag of the OGPU, 381 families with a total number of 026 people were sent to special settlement. For the years 1-803. 392 dispossessed arrived in special settlements.
        In 1929-1931, dozens of scientists were arrested and convicted in the so-called "case of the Academy of Sciences."

        1932 - the case of the Siberian Brigade, one of the largest writings long before 1937.

        Hundreds of former officers who served in the Red Army in 1930-1931 were arrested and convicted in the case of "Spring".

        The expelled party members came under repression in the first place. The bulk of the Bolsheviks, who played leading roles in 1917 or later, in the Soviet government, was executed. The only member of the original Politburo of 1917 who survived the purge was Stalin himself.. Of the other five, four were shot, and the fifth, Leon Trotsky, expelled from the party, expelled from the country and killed in 1940. Of the seven members of the Politburo elected between the 1917 revolution and the death of Lenin, four were shot, one (Mikhail Tomsky) committed suicide suicide, and only two (Molotov and Kalinin) survived.

        Of 1966 delegates to the XVII Congress of the CPSU (b) ("Congress of Winners"), held in early 1934 (the last congress before the purge), 1108 were arrested, and most of them were shot.

        In June 1937, a trial was held of a group of senior officers of the Red Army, including Mikhail Tukhachevsky (see Tukhachevsky Case). The accused were charged with preparing a military coup, scheduled for May 15, 1937.

        By September 1938, the main task of great terror was completed. Terror began to threaten a new generation of party, Chekist and military leaders who advanced during the terror. In July-August 1938, a mass judicial execution was carried out of previously repressed party leaders, military leaders, NKVD officers, intelligence officers, figures of the Comintern, intellectuals and other people. This was the beginning of the end of the great terror.
        http://www.encyclopaedia-russia.ru/article.php?id=161

        Repressions stopped only with the death of a tyrant.
        1. Finches
          Finches April 5 2016 13: 49
          +11
          And here is another comrade who claims that Stalin personally shot a billion! laughing
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS April 5 2016 18: 07
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            And here is another comrade who claims that Stalin personally shot a billion!

            and these "chubaisyats" also claim that Lenin ate children. belay

            Just for some reason, the discussion of the article slipped into a discussion of the Bolsheviks.
            But the article is "life-affirming", because according to the article we have substituted everything for import.
            I remember Khristenko also shouted that by the 15th year we will reach 90% localization in medicines and 70% in machine tool production belay IIIiiii ???
            And nothing!
            And in the article again cotton candy, supposedly from some Finn, only became sweeter.
            I know for sure how we imported:
            -Rule 2,5 times lowered- budget easier
            excise taxes on benz and diesel fuel raised-budget easier
            - with pensions they cheated - it’s very easy
            -Now they will raise sugar and there will be a surplus.
            And so that it would be completely sweet to us, now we will have the National Guard. thrice thrilling!
            But I don’t understand why we are "import substitution" at the expense of the people, and especially everything is sweet in the TV channel and in the words of officials. request
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A April 6 2016 11: 36
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            And here’s another comrade, who claims that Stalin personally shot a billion!

            Read R. Medvedev, have a bite to eat, Suvorov-Rezun, and polish Solzhenitsyn - you can’t count even that!
            Stalin personally shot a billion!
            He shot, and even ate ... laughing
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 April 5 2016 16: 46
          +8
          Dimer Vladimir

          What do you write so much? It has long been proven statistically and in terms of logic. The number of state repressed as well as rehabilitated corresponds in time and in terms of population, as the usual amount is comparable with other countries of the world.

          These false ideas about the bloody Bolshevik regime are only a form of warfare.
        3. Stanislas
          Stanislas April 6 2016 08: 21
          +2
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Hundreds of former officers who served in the Red Army in 1930-1931 were arrested and convicted in the case of "Spring".
          Do you think that among the white officers who sided with the Reds, were there those who did not agree with the ideology and politics of the new government and who at the first opportunity would have stuck a knife in her back? Were among the officers of the Red Army ideological and other supporters of Trotsky, who was the People's Commissar for Military Affairs until 1925, who actively supported him in the early 30s? Did they all pose a danger to the cohesion and combat readiness of the army amid the events in Europe? Was it necessary to eliminate this danger? If you answered negatively to one of the questions, put your minus and give reasons.
        4. Nick
          Nick April 6 2016 20: 07
          0
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Repressions stopped only with the death of a tyrant.

          You lie like Khrushchev, who, together with Eikhe and other bandits of the "old guard", was the most active organizer and participant in the repressions. Stalin managed to end mass repressions only by 1939, having turned the head of all this old Bolshevik camarilla
      3. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 5 2016 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        He made the only right decision - to erase them in camp dust, which allowed the country to withstand fascism


        The People’s Commissariat of Defense kept a careful record of repressed commanders. As reported in the memorandum of the head of the NGO department for the command staff of Shchadenko sent to Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov and Andreev, from March 1, 1937 to March 1, 1938, 21,3 thousand people were dismissed from the Red Army, including for political reasons 17,4 , 5329 thousand people, of which 1 people. was arrested. The repressions concerned primarily the top command staff, but the lower and middle command links also turned out to be seriously weakened. Only from January 1 to November 1937, 14,5, more than XNUMX thousand captains and lieutenants were dismissed from the Red Army ...
        http://nnm.me/blogs/vicsd/istreblenie-komandnogo-sostava-krasnoy-armii-v-37-38-g



        Come on - tell us how the extra cadres of the Red Army helped to resist fascism (or rather, National Socialism, since the Mussolini party was called fascist) - a rare go
        1. Finches
          Finches April 5 2016 14: 40
          +13
          Well, first, let's get on you! Secondly, let’s do it without insults, although this already suggests that apart from copy-paste you do not have a single argument of your own against Stalin! I will not waste time arguing, but theoretically, even if you agree with you, or rather, not by you, but by the data that you provide, I will answer that this is not a reason to put dirt on the history of our people! Yes, there were repressions and Stalin the tyrant - on the one hand, but on the other hand, over the years of his reign in the agrarian country, the Dnieper hydroelectric station, Uralmash, KhTZ, GAZ, ZIS, plants in Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk, Norilsk, Stalingrad were built. They won the war against National Socialism, if you are so meticulous to definitions, rebuilt the country after total devastation, created atomic technologies and launched mankind into space ....! By the way, over 25 years of Russia, only now new plants and cosmodromes are beginning to appear, and when you ruled your beloved liberals, for some reason only oligarchs appeared ... So in a historical, strategic form for the Russian state - Stalin, this is good! And in general, to shit the past of your state with shit is the last thing! Here the Bolsheviks made this mistake by starting to cross out the past and history punished them for that ...

          Once again - you cannot politely and with dignity lead a dialogue, leave with VO! Rudeness is not in our honor! hi
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          2. atalef
            atalef April 5 2016 14: 55
            0
            Quote: Finches
            that apart from copy-paste you have no argument of your own against Stalin!

            Yes, I think the same with you, or you personally knew Stalin 7
            Quote: Finches
            even if you agree with you, or rather not by you, but by the data that you provide, I will answer that this is not a reason to pour dirt on the history of our people

            Do you think that in the history of peoples (and any) - there can be no dirt?
            Quote: Finches
            Yes, there were repressions and Stalin the tyrant - on the one hand, but on the other hand, over the years of his reign in the agrarian country, the Dnieper hydroelectric station, Uralmash, KhTZ, GAZ, ZIS, plants in Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk, Norilsk, Stalingrad were built.

            and for this it was necessary to shoot the innocent and put them in prisons? Separate children from parents? etc .
            Was it just that necessary?
            Quote: Finches
            They won the war against National Socialism, if you are so meticulous to definitions, rebuilt the country after total devastation, created atomic technologies and brought mankind into space

            Well, this is already under Khrushchev.
            ]
            Quote: Finches
            and when you ruled your beloved liberals, for some reason only oligarchs appeared.

            For the first time, Russian entrepreneurs appeared on the Forbes magazine's list of the world's richest people in 1997. The first five looked like this: Boris Berezovsky - $ 3 billion; Mikhail Khodorkovsky - $ 2,4 billion; Vagit Alekperov - $ 1,4 billion; Rem Vyakhirev - $ 1,4 billion; Vladimir Potanin - $ 700 million; Vladimir Gusinsky - $ 400 million
            --- 6 persons !!!!
            Under Putin, how many have become?
            The list of the world's richest entrepreneurs, which Forbes published in 2008, included 87 Russian billionaires
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            2. IS-80
              IS-80 April 5 2016 15: 11
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              --- 6 persons !!!!
              Under Putin, how many have become?

              Are you an hour communist?
            3. Finches
              Finches April 5 2016 15: 15
              +6
              No! He wasn’t a sign! I believe that Stalin, like Peter 1 - the same tyrant played an extremely positive role in the development of the state! I believe that repression was necessary and justified! I believe that it is necessary to objectively evaluate the role of the individual in history, and if it concerns the head of state, then, based on the development of the whole country at the end of his leadership, the progressive movement that he laid down, and not concentrated facts, is only bad or only good! The same applies to GDP! Khrushchev, a poor leader for a socialist economic and political formation, unlike Stalin, Gorbachev and Yeltsin with 6 billionaires are evil, and GDP with 87 billionaires is good for Russia! Here is such a historical paradox! I have something to compare with - I have been serving in the army all this time, and as you know, everything is known in comparison! Plus, on the whole, I believe that the capitalist, or as they try to call it in the West, democratic system of human development is even worse than a socialist one, but we have what we have!
              1. atalef
                atalef April 5 2016 15: 45
                -8
                Quote: Finches
                I believe that repression was necessary and justified!

                is your family hurt

                Quote: Finches
                I believe that it is necessary to objectively assess the role of the individual in history, and if it concerns the head of state

                If objectively, it somehow does not fit with yours
                Quote: Finches
                And in general, to shit the past of your state with shit is the last thing! Here the Bolsheviks made this mistake by starting to cross out the past and history punished them for that ...

                Quote: Finches
                then, according to the result of the development of the whole country at the end of his leadership, the progressive movement that he laid down, and not concentrated facts, is only bad or only good!

                Well then, in the final fact - everything is very sad
                USSR - collapsed
                U.S. Europe overtaken in all respects
                China - economically, etc., etc.
                ---- this is the result of development
                Quote: Finches
                The same applies to GDP!


                Well, Caesar’s wife is beyond suspicion
                Quote: Finches
                Gorbachev and Yeltsin with 6 billionaires - evil

                Quote: Finches
                and GDP with 87 billionaires is good for Russia! Here is such a historical paradox

                cognitive dissonance
                Quote: Finches
                I have something to compare with - I have been serving in the army all this time, and as you know, everything is relative

                brain rupture
                Quote: Finches
                Plus, on the whole, I believe that the capitalist, or as they try to call it in the West, democratic system of human development is even worse than a socialist one, but we have what we have!

                it reminds me of an old Jewish anecdote
                Two Jews are talking.
                “I don’t understand why people so admire this Caruso?” Speaking tongue-tied, googling, singing - you will not understand anything!
                “Have you heard Caruso sing?”
                - Yes, I got some of his repertoire Rabinovich sang on the phone
                1. nikolay_major
                  nikolay_major April 6 2016 15: 21
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  is your family hurt


                  Is yours hurt?
              2. The comment was deleted.
                1. Finches
                  Finches April 5 2016 15: 58
                  +7
                  By God, I don’t have time to answer you in detail, to all your taunts, which you consider riding polemics - but nevertheless, Russia has a much richer history than the history of Israel and besides that you crucified Christ, there is nothing special to boast of - no offense ! hi
                  All that you have created by people from other countries - although Jews, but educated in the USSR, other countries, you have nothing of your own but ruins! However, like your hosts from the USA - but these ruins do not even have! But in Russia there was plenty of everything - it was, is and will be! Everything is created for centuries by the will and hands of the multinational people! And each generation has its own era - with mistakes and achievements ...
                  I apologize again for this harshness!

                  The joke is stupid - I lived under both socialism and capitalism! Capitalism is complete shit!
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 5 2016 16: 50
                    -6
                    Quote: Finches
                    nevertheless, Russia’s history is much richer than the history of Israel

                    Interestingly
                    Quote: Finches
                    besides the fact that you crucified Christ, there is nothing special to boast of to you - no offense!

                    In the Army you speak all your life wink
                    Quote: Finches
                    All that you have created by people from other countries - although Jews, but educated in the USSR, other countries, you have nothing of your own but ruins!

                    God be with you, where do we get the ruins from? We have no history
                    Quote: Finches
                    But in Russia there was plenty of everything - it was, is and will be!

                    Only one thing scares me, are you an officer?
                    Quote: Finches
                    The joke is stupid - I lived under both socialism and capitalism! Capitalism is complete shit!

                    I can upset you, you did not live at that, not at that.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches April 5 2016 17: 01
                      +9
                      Moreover, a Russian officer!

                      By the way, if you have chosen such a tone of conversation - why did I write wrong? And what you have - nothing! One usury ... Yes, and all my life I can only hear the cry of the Jewish people - the most oppressed on earth - they drove from Egypt, then the Holocaust, then the 7th Earl ..., but where not stick to the Forbes list - a Jew .. .Already the territory was cut to you in a stunned place - live and rejoice! No - they began to teach everyone how to live and spread rot on the poor Palestinians ... By the way, Joseph Vissarionovich created the Jewish Autonomous Region - it is true that it is almost impossible to find a Jew there, but nevertheless, but there are no Russian republics, and not really much! blame us for all mortal sins ... I wish you a good life - wonderful with very good capitalism! I am happy for you!
                      I live the same and everything suited and suits me - my story, my people and my land! And I'm proud of all this! I have the honor!
                      1. atalef
                        atalef April 5 2016 19: 01
                        -9
                        Quote: Finches
                        Moreover, a Russian officer!

                        Sorry, but judging by the level of your commerce, there’s nothing you can do to cast a shadow over this title.
                        Quote: Finches
                        You have chosen - and what have I written wrong?

                        Yes, everything is fine, everything absolutely corresponds to both the level of your education and erudition.
                        Quote: Finches
                        Yes, and all my life I can only hear the cry of the Jewish people - the most oppressed on earth - they drove from Egypt, then the Holocaust, then the 7th Earl.

                        seventh say laughing
                        Quote: Finches
                        I live the same and everything suited and suits me - my story, my people and my land! And I'm proud of all this! I have the honor!

                        have a nice one you too.
                        Officer belay hug and cry.
                      2. Finches
                        Finches April 5 2016 19: 52
                        +9
                        Yes, yes! The tarpaulin boot! And I’m very glad that my low level amused your pride and perhaps even helped to increase your self-esteem ... Where are we tossed! My message cuts can not be compared with your posts on the forum - the beauty of the presentation, the depth of human thought and encyclopedic education! laughing

                        But I returned to recover - the 5th column! Here you are right, I was mistaken, although she didn’t disappear anywhere with the military, but something drew seven! Probably the port ... laughing

                        And yet, despite the fact that your culture is much higher than mine - you can’t get personal! I did not offend you! hi
                      3. atalef
                        atalef April 5 2016 20: 09
                        -7
                        Quote: Finches
                        Yes, yes! The tarpaulin boot! And I am very glad that my low level amused your pride

                        those.?
                        Quote: Finches
                        It may even have contributed to increasing your self-esteem.

                        Compared to you, it’s not difficult
                        Quote: Finches
                        Where are we too clumsy! My message cuts can not be compared with your posts on the forum - the beauty of the presentation, the depth of human thought and encyclopedic education!

                        Thanks, flattered
                        Quote: Finches
                        although we have military

                        you are probably a couple with Baikonur - the military laughing
                        Quote: Finches
                        but something pulled the seven! Probably on port ...

                        surely
                        Quote: Finches
                        And yet, despite the fact that your culture is much higher than mine -

                        Well, why are you so about yourself wink , according to culture, we still have someone who ... ottom (as my company said), more precisely, used another more common word
                        Quote: Finches
                        I did not offend you!

                        Yes, and I am you.
                      4. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A April 6 2016 11: 58
                        +3
                        Quote: Finches
                        Yes, yes! The tarpaulin boot! And I'm very glad that my low level entertained your pride and perhaps even contributed to the increase of your self-esteem ...

                        The low cultural level is good because you can always spit on the interlocutor. Do not be shy, Eugene, spit! What for you ..ovn..osr..ach? You seem to be on the first day at VO - you clashed with the Stars and Stripes ... Anyway, everything is always the best for them and everything is always the only right thing - they are the "chosen ones." Only no one remembers why they were elected ...
              3. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A April 6 2016 11: 50
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                besides the fact that you crucified Christ, there is nothing special to boast of to you - no offense!

                good
                It was not their Jews that were Kherson ...
                And all the Maidan two thousand years ago is to blame - "Crucify! Crucify!"

                And further. You, Eugene, are not quite right
                Russia has a much richer history than the history of Israel
                They probably consider the Old Testament their history. If so, then where do we go before them ... laughing
        2. Cro-Magnon
          Cro-Magnon April 5 2016 21: 18
          +5
          And the GDP of RUSSIA in 1997 do not tell me !? And how many billionaires in the USSR were in 1986?
          And you, too, knew all the innocents personally ?! And all convicted criminals are always innocent with their words ?!
          But missile and other subjects in the USSR appeared only under Khrushchev, such as these topics under Stalin were banned? But Beria, whom Khrushchev destroyed without arrest and trial, also did not contribute to our missile, nuclear, computer and other scientific achievements! Meli Emelya ...
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 5 2016 16: 49
      +6
      Dimer Vladimir

      Recommendations to you. Leave all these speculations about bloody Stalin. Ruler he was tough, but correct.

      And you in your tenacity just save the topic.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 17: 56
        0
        Subject "spam". Auto-corrector, shob it ..
    4. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 5 2016 17: 03
      0
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      how the redundant cadres of the Red Army helped to counter fascism

      If a general’s military coup were to succeed, a civil war would begin in the country, with the participation of German troops on the side of enemy agents - Tukhachevsky, Yakir and Putna.
    5. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 5 2016 17: 03
      +1
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      how the redundant cadres of the Red Army helped to counter fascism

      If a general’s military coup were to succeed, a civil war would begin in the country, with the participation of German troops on the side of enemy agents - Tukhachevsky, Yakir and Putna.
    6. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon April 5 2016 21: 06
      +1
      Well, where do we win the war without the Tukhachevskikhamarnikovyakirs ... alone Napoleons and Murats ... have you heard about the Civil War !? We are still great-grandchildren and grandchildren can’t come to terms with the results of that war, and you’re talking nonsense about the absence of enemies of the people, avengers, saboteurs and wreckers! And this is among the people who took part in the war directly and indirectly! Or that now these enemies are also not in the country's leadership ?! Some benefactors of the motherland! If so, then you should go to the Napoleons ... in the ward!
    7. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 6 2016 09: 00
      0
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Come on - tell us how the extra cadres of the Red Army helped to counter fascism
      "Red Army's lack of cadres" (by the way, are you not an Estonian?) - this is a distortion against the background of the fact that at that time there was an active staffing of the army with cadres (about 10% were cleared out, and 200% were introduced). If today we had to confront corruption in the court, for example, what percentage of the staff, in your opinion, would the judiciary “lose”?
    8. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 6 2016 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      from 1 March 1937 year to 1 March 1938 year, 21,3 thousand people were fired from the Red Army, including for political reasons 17,4 thousand people, of which 5329 people was arrested.

      But did you calculate how many officers were dismissed from the Soviet Army from March 1 to 1989 to March 1 to 1991? Or from the Russian Army from 1 March 1992 to 1 March 1995? True, no one shot - yes ... But they did it even worse - they just threw them to the mercy of fate. And the military officers went to the guard, to the market, to the bandits, to the construction site - they needed to feed the family ... But they were replaced Pasha Mercedes, and later - Taburetkin .... About a moment and the storming of Grozny tell? ....

      I don’t need to tell here how the tyrant Stalin destroyed the army ... Otherwise, I will write out such an account for the Democrats - they don’t have enough to pay for their black blood ....
    9. Nick
      Nick April 8 2016 15: 38
      0
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Come on - tell us how the extra cadres of the Red Army helped to resist fascism (or rather, National Socialism, since the Mussolini party was called fascist) - a rare go

      Go from, the Red Army was rid of the cadres preparing the coup. As for the repressions of 37-38, including in the army, they were organized by the same "old guard" who fought to preserve personal power and "warm" places
  2. Vadim42
    Vadim42 April 5 2016 14: 30
    +1
    Great, pleased with the comment. It would not hurt to give lectures of this format in high school.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 5 2016 16: 56
      +1
      Vadim42

      Unfortunately, it is too early to give lectures on the view of modernity in terms of historical experience at school. Wrong age.

      Young people need to be taught differently, systemically.

      Such lectures are good for the generation of 40 years. Those who have tried the whole story in their own skin.
  3. Nick
    Nick April 5 2016 20: 38
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    Nevertheless, I still think that "Camp dust" for our liberals is the best faction in the political structure of the country ...!

    I applaud !!! good hi
  • kit_bellew
    kit_bellew April 5 2016 12: 01
    0
    The whole truth about the liberals at the time said Saltykov-Shchedrin. Those interested can read here: http://vseskazki.su/avtorskie-skazki/saltykov-shchedrin-chitat/liberal-chitat.ht
    ml
    And we ... but no, and we had, there were real pillars of liberalism. Hypnotoad Novodvorskaya, for example laughing
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 5 2016 06: 24
    +18
    The West insisted that the Russian economy was “torn to shreds”.. Tear, did not break .. but we have many problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..
    1. venaya
      venaya April 5 2016 06: 28
      +12
      Quote: parusnik
      We have many problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..

      This is something: "Liberals pointing the way"Did I understand correctly?
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 5 2016 06: 40
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      The West insisted that the Russian economy was “torn to shreds”.. Tear, did not break .. but we have many problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..

      and the party in power, and there are liberals, and the GDP itself does not deny its "liberality" -the circle is closed ??? who to drive ???
      1. atalef
        atalef April 5 2016 06: 58
        -1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: parusnik
        The West insisted that the Russian economy was “torn to shreds”.. Tear, did not break .. but we have many problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..

        and the party in power, and there are liberals, and the GDP itself does not deny its "liberality" -the circle is closed ??? whom to drive??

        Hey . Andrew.
        It is best to drive moonshine, as soon excise taxes on alcohol will again increase.
        but without a glass. statement
        Industry doesn't feel so bad; in two months of 2016, it even showed a slight increase. Unemployment did not jump to a catastrophic magnitude. Imports are low: a diversified Russian economy produces most of what it consumes.

        definitely not digesting.
      2. midivan
        midivan April 5 2016 07: 07
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and the party in power, and there are liberals, and the GDP itself does not deny its "liberality" -the circle is closed ??? who to drive ???

        do not confuse liberal and liberal smile
      3. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 08: 43
        -2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and the party in power, and there are liberals, and the GDP itself does not deny its "liberality" -the circle is closed ??? who to drive ???

        To drive all mutters and pseudo-patriots.
      4. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan April 5 2016 08: 51
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: parusnik
        The West insisted that the Russian economy was “torn to shreds”.. Tear, did not break .. but we have many problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..

        and the party in power, and there are liberals, and the GDP itself does not deny its "liberality" -the circle is closed ??? who to drive ???

        Drive Putin, download and burn tires, which is incomprehensible.
      5. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 April 5 2016 13: 54
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        whom to drive ???

        Drive Purgu Juric laughing
        Zdarova prisoner of conscience lol
    3. ver_
      ver_ April 5 2016 08: 23
      +2
      ... so they are - these liberals are only liberals liberals ..., for the rest, those who are not liberals - a feeding trough is not provided ..., for them a fork in all 4 paws and teeth on a shelf ..
    4. Suhov
      Suhov April 5 2016 09: 14
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      . Break, did not break .. but we have a lot of problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..

      Or maybe we have one problem: the Liberals from the "big" road?
    5. Al1977
      Al1977 April 5 2016 10: 08
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      One of them is Liberals and Roads ..

      They were chosen and supported by the people. The rating of the president is 82%, the government and personally Medvedev more than 60%.
      Are you tired of trolling yourself? Go to the polls and choose not liberals. Tell me openly, WHO represents your true-to-last-instance views? Who! Zyuganov? Maybe Zhirik? Mironov?
      Or WHAT country in the modern world is your ideal? Who! North Korea? Cuba? Venezuela?
      Or is it Russia, with President Putin? You do not like Russia, get the fuck out of here then.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 17: 48
        +1
        Al1977

        Why are you persecuting all of you?

        Who chose them? They chose themselves. And previously, young people were taught that the USSR was bad, that the Communists were enemies, that everything that had happened before was nonsense.

        Why did they say that?
    6. Dimal777
      Dimal777 April 5 2016 13: 06
      +3
      you know, of course, I want to believe that everything is ok with us! BUT personally the increase in excise taxes on fuel killed me, well, how did anyone think it would accelerate inflation now? and privatization? I think the pictures of liberals should be supplemented by siluanov, nabiulina, etc. Enemies everywhere they only play in the good and bad cops.
    7. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 5 2016 16: 59
      +1
      Parusnik

      In the West, they say a lot. And all sorts of stupid things.

      The dogma that the USSR collapsed due to falling oil prices is especially touching.

      And they believe the same. And laughter and sin.
      1. Cro-Magnon
        Cro-Magnon April 5 2016 21: 32
        +1
        And also due to the fact that 15 thousand were lost in Afghanistan ... in the Chechen wars, a hundred thousand were lost and Russia didn’t break out, and the Soviet Union didn’t look like ...
    8. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 6 2016 13: 23
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      but we have a lot of problems .. One of them Liberals and roads ..

      One of them can be solved with the help of asphalt rollers. And what about the roads? laughing
  • RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette April 5 2016 06: 32
    0
    Our classic wrote, you need to know that they do not understand Russia!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 5 2016 07: 03
      +2
      Quote: RussianRoulette
      you need to know that they do not understand Russia!

      Not only them ... what
      1. atalef
        atalef April 5 2016 07: 14
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: RussianRoulette
        you need to know that they do not understand Russia!

        Not only them ... what

        That's for sure . 2 articles at the same time
        Oil, budget and liberals

        Anxious summer 2016. The thoughts of the pressure cooker

        And somehow it is not clear - which of the authors is lying?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 5 2016 07: 16
          +4
          Quote: atalef

          And somehow it is not clear - which of the authors is lying?

          Both! Everything will be completely different, in a couple of days there will be an article (I think it will) in which the third scenario will be indicated.
          Healthy hi
          1. atalef
            atalef April 5 2016 07: 23
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Both! Everything will be completely different, in a couple of days there will be an article (I think it will) in which the third scenario will be indicated.

            He is.
            If the West does not like it, then we are doing everything right.
            Hi !!!
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. April 5 2016 08: 27
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              He is.
              If the West does not like it, then we are doing everything right.

              Sasha, we’re all nishtyak. Megamind Siluanov said on the third day that our economy is in stand by mode, you know, it’s located. Shchya ka-a-ak .... In short, only through the efforts of sober people in the government is its rapid leap restrained. The Russians are not yet ready for manna from heaven. We must gradually accustom to abundance.
              1. Boos
                Boos April 5 2016 09: 01
                +3
                It's time to publish "Putin's Tales" as a separate book. Stalin warned against "dizziness with success", Putin's head was dizzy with arrogance from failures. The same liberal as the Russian-Navalny scarecrow. We see the performance further, Putin is already worthy of an Oscar. Putin's business is in the reliable hands of the Chubais, Siluanovs and Rottenbergs!
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 April 5 2016 17: 51
                  -2
                  Boos

                  There’s no need to touch Putin. GDP, holds the planet in his hands. If it weren’t for him, a lot of bad things could happen.
              2. atalef
                atalef April 5 2016 10: 20
                +1
                Quote: Pinky F.
                Quote: atalef
                He is.
                If the West does not like it, then we are doing everything right.

                Sasha, we’re all nishtyak. Megamind Siluanov said on the third day that our economy is in stand by mode, you know, it’s located. Shchya ka-a-ak .... In short, only through the efforts of sober people in the government is its rapid leap restrained. The Russians are not yet ready for manna from heaven. We must gradually accustom to abundance.

                What a beautiful word - in anticipation - he said interestingly - in anticipation. What?
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 5 2016 10: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  pending. What?
              3. IS-80
                IS-80 April 5 2016 11: 36
                +2
                Quote: Pinky F.
                Sasha, we’re all nishtyak. Megamind Siluanov said on the third day that our economy is in stand by mode, you know, it’s located. Shchya ka-a-ak .... In short, only through the efforts of sober people in the government is its rapid leap restrained. The Russians are not yet ready for manna from heaven. We must gradually accustom to abundance.

                Liberal, fifth column, State Department agent. smile
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 5 2016 11: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Liberal, fifth column, State Department agent.

                  Who are you?
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 April 5 2016 12: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: Pinky F.
                    Who are you?

                    YOU!
                    1. Pinkie F.
                      Pinkie F. April 5 2016 13: 07
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      Who are you?

                      YOU!

                      aah ...
                      well, at least not from these laughing
                      1. IS-80
                        IS-80 April 5 2016 13: 31
                        +3
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        aah ...
                        well, at least not from these

                        Hare, Pig, Dogs, Zhentschen and Kiselev. Pretty decent people. You have to grow and grow before them.
                      2. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. April 5 2016 13: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Pretty decent people. You have to grow and grow before them.

                        unconditionally. And which of them is the tip of evolution - a pig or Kiselev?
                      3. atalef
                        atalef April 5 2016 13: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Pretty decent people. You have to grow and grow before them.

                        unconditionally. And which of them is the tip of evolution - a pig or Kiselev?

                        Pig of course.
                      4. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. April 5 2016 14: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: atalef
                        Pig of course.

                        damn it, again the xoxls rule ... No, there is no thread of alternative evolution?
                      5. atalef
                        atalef April 5 2016 14: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Pig of course.

                        damn it, again the xoxls rule ... No, there is no thread of alternative evolution?

                        in alternative evolution - only Kiselev.
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                      7. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. April 5 2016 14: 36
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        in alternative evolution - only Kiselev.

                        NOT-EE-ET !!!
                      8. Imperialkolorad
                        Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 21: 50
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        in alternative evolution - only Kiselev.

                        I do not like either Kiselev himself or his face, but I am simply delighted with the reaction of the liberals to the main "propagandist of the Kremlin."
                  2. IS-80
                    IS-80 April 5 2016 14: 43
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    Pig of course.

                    And also a cultured person is called. How not kosher. negative
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                3. IS-80
                  IS-80 April 5 2016 14: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Pinky F.
                  unconditionally. And which of them is the tip of evolution - a pig or Kiselev?

                  Alas, you have to take you as a reference point.
                4. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 5 2016 14: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Alas, you have to take you as a reference point.

                  I agree. Otherwise, judging by you, a dead-end branch awaits. My condolences.
                5. IS-80
                  IS-80 April 5 2016 15: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Pinky F.
                  I agree. Otherwise, judging by you, a dead-end branch awaits. My condolences.

                  Strange, but I thought you did not like Kiselev. And here you are directly eager to evolve into it. smile
                6. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 5 2016 16: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Strange, but I thought you did not like Kiselev. And here you are directly eager to evolve into it.

                  so you didn’t leave me a choice (
                  Yes and not the worst option)
                7. IS-80
                  IS-80 April 5 2016 16: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Pinky F.
                  so you didn’t leave me a choice (
                  Yes and not the worst option)

                  Kremlebot, a traveler!
                8. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 5 2016 16: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Liberal, fifth column, State Department agent.

                  ((
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Kremlebot, a traveler!

                  ))
                9. IS-80
                  IS-80 April 5 2016 16: 49
                  0
                  Do not be like the Americans. They once thought that Putin was simple and understandable. smile
                  And suddenly.
  • Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 08: 46
    +5
    Quote: atalef
    He is.
    If the West does not like it, then we are doing everything right.
    Hi !!!

    Gold words. It really is. As a rule, in Russia, the worst times coincided with the approval of our actions by the West.
    Coincidence? I do not think so!
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2016 10: 20
      -2
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Quote: atalef
      He is.
      If the West does not like it, then we are doing everything right.
      Hi !!!

      Gold words. It really is. As a rule, in Russia, the worst times coincided with the approval of our actions by the West.
      Coincidence? I do not think so!

      2000s mean?
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 5 2016 10: 45
        0
        Quote: atalef
        2000s mean?

        lower the time bar a little lower)
      2. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 19: 14
        0
        There is no end to the 80s and 90s when the USSR and then Russia surrendered their positions around the world for thanks, when the population was rapidly impoverished and even more rapidly dying out. As soon as the head began to lift just in the zero years, the regime abruptly became bloody and democracy began to disappear.
        In general, and in general, I do not need to tell when and how it was in my country. Especially drawing information from biased sources of Western propaganda and national treason from the Russian Federation.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 20: 13
          0
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          No end 80s and 90s

          And in the 2000s, were relations with the West already bad? Forgotten in my opinion.
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          As soon as the head began to lift just in the zero years, the regime abruptly became bloody and democracy began to disappear.

          yes, okay you - golden zeros.
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          In general, and in general, I do not need to tell when and how it was in my country. Especially drawing information from biased sources of Western propaganda and national treason from the Russian Federation.

          Is that something? I come in every 2 years, and here I go again in 10 days.
          Yes, and my friends come every year - I know what I'm talking about.
          1. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 21: 55
            0
            Quote: atalef

            And in the 2000s, were relations with the West already bad? Forgotten in my opinion.

            They began to deteriorate the farther the stronger as Russia began to defend its interests. In the early XNUMXs they were still rather weak for an active confrontation.
            Quote: atalef
            yes, okay you - golden zeros.

            Either I or you did not understand sarcasm. And the zero ones were really good, especially against the background of the 90s.
            Quote: atalef
            What is that? I come in every - 2 years, and here I go again in 10 days.
            And friends come to me every year - I know what I'm talking about.

            Then you either communicate with atypical Russians or your eyes are already completely blocked by propaganda.
  • IS-80
    IS-80 April 5 2016 11: 16
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    He is.
    If the West does not like it, then we are doing everything right.
    Hi !!!

    Well, Duc, it’s the Israeli government that doesn’t sleep at night, thinks whether they did everything right so that the West would like it. And we are GREAT POWER. We are all there is no decree. We have our own custom, our own sovereign democracy, in general, we want to turn it around. Envy. laughing
    1. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 19: 15
      0
      Quote: IS-80
      Well, Duc, it’s the Israeli government that doesn’t sleep at night, thinks whether they did everything right so that the West would like it. And we are GREAT POWER. We are all there is no decree. We have our own custom, our own sovereign democracy, in general, we want to turn it around. Envy.

      Jews, to their credit, just eat help from the United States and act as they are more convenient and profitable.
  • Nsk 54
    Nsk 54 April 5 2016 06: 40
    +2
    Where did the author take the data? Industry grew only in February (1%), and February-January fell (-0.7%).
    Do not forget that 2016 is a leap year.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 5 2016 07: 27
      +11
      Quote: Nsk 54
      Where did the author take the data? Industry grew only in February (1%), and February-January fell (-0.7%).
      Do not forget that 2016 is a leap year.

      And then the leap-twist? Remember the signs of the zodiac, and the predictions of Wang.
      1. Vitwin
        Vitwin April 5 2016 08: 31
        +7
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And here the leap-warp

        How? On one day, fellow for economic growth according to Siluanov-Ulyukaev more laughing
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    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 5 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Quote: Nsk 54
      and February-January fall (-0.7%).

      well, so tenths of a percent is considered a statistical error. So, everything is ok laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 5 2016 12: 50
        +4
        I liked the expression, at a government meeting - "We have seen a NEGATIVE GROWTH OF ECONOMY" - think about this "deep" phrase.
      2. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 5 2016 14: 56
        -3
        Well, you got out again liberalist laughing
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 April 5 2016 06: 43
    0
    Quote: venaya
    Quote: parusnik
    We have many problems .. One of them is Liberals and roads ..

    This is something: "Liberals pointing the way"Did I understand correctly?

    In addition to the above: Liberals, indicating the path along which ALL others send them ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 5 2016 06: 43
    -3
    No wonder the GDP worked in the KGB.
    Does everything important for the country in secret.
    The West complains that it cannot predict its actions.
    The West persuades itself that its sanctions hinder the development of our country.
    The opposite result: the West suffers losses, and the national economy of Russia is developing, making the country independent of the West.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2016 07: 00
      -3
      Quote: Pvi1206
      No wonder the GDP worked in the KGB.
      Does everything important for the country in secret

      including billions in offshore transfers
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Apad complains that it cannot predict its actions.

      but why did you decide that he complains?
      Quote: Pvi1206
      The West persuades itself that its sanctions hinder the development of our country.

      Yes, something like shouting - More sanctions - in the State Duma and law - vexed.
      Quote: Pvi1206
      The opposite result: the West suffers losses, and the national economy of Russia is developing, making the country independent of the West.

      Optimistic. yes
      1. geek2101
        geek2101 April 5 2016 07: 10
        +4
        The Russian Federation, at least, is trying to resist - your government, however, either simply sold out to mattresses, or built into their system and pretends that nothing is happening.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 07: 11
          -4
          Quote: geek2101
          - your government is either just sold to the mattresses, or built into their system and pretends that nothing is happening.

          nothing really happens with us.
          1. geek2101
            geek2101 April 5 2016 07: 19
            +9
            Yeah. Nothing happens in the grave either, but this does not mean that its inhabitant is doing well, because the worst has already happened to him. wink
            1. atalef
              atalef April 5 2016 07: 29
              -2
              Quote: geek2101
              Yeah. Nothing happens in the grave either

              That case. when the living envy the dead laughing
              Quote: geek2101
              about this does not mean that its occupant is doing well, because all the worst has already happened to him

              Optimistic. don't rock the main boat laughing
          2. ILYA M
            ILYA M April 5 2016 07: 34
            +3
            You are a cynic and a liar. Skillfully interpret / distort the facts. Not only in this article.
      2. midivan
        midivan April 5 2016 07: 15
        +12
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Pvi1206
        No wonder the GDP worked in the KGB.
        Does everything important for the country in secret
        including billions in offshore transfers

        do not strain about it all the more you smile
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, something like shouting - More sanctions - in the State Duma and law - vexed.

        Duc relevance is already boring smile
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 07: 19
          -3
          Quote: midivan
          do not strain about it all the more you

          Yes, then what? Our police and tax authorities have already opened investigations on the Israelis (after publication) --- and you?
          1. midivan
            midivan April 5 2016 07: 53
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Yes, then what? Our police and tax authorities have already opened investigations on the Israelis (after publication) --- and you?

            recourse and our police recently took over the autobuses, purebred Georgians!, but they don’t want to sit down, a thief on a thief, brother on a brother, oranges in a thug’s hut, there was a SOBR and a prosecutor who asked very strictly, “Are you a thief? uh, uh, beginner, ne joke, I’m the first person to have a hill, do you have a trunk? request grated in general rosins grated like that! got a hungry moth, in general they rubbed it and twisted it, and it’s kind of released it, we have the police, and there’s gas in the kitchen laughing
          2. Boos
            Boos April 5 2016 09: 42
            +2
            We have a category of non-judiciary, and everyone is familiar with President Putin. What? Not true?
          3. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 April 5 2016 14: 06
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            and you ?

            And we have a Seagull .....
          4. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer April 5 2016 14: 07
            +3
            And we can’t - how can it be?
            Will the sun he be checked by those whom he appointed? Do not make me laugh :)

            I imagine both the prosecutor Chaika appointed by Solntselikim and the gene (the hushed case of the protection of the casino where the son of the prosecutor was involved in the case)
            they go to Pu and say - Volodya I'm sorry - they should check you ...
            You have no relation to the offshore cellist? No - well, we thought so ... Well, we'll go ..? :))
          5. IS-80
            IS-80 April 5 2016 14: 52
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            Yes, then what? Our police and tax authorities have already opened investigations on the Israelis (after publication) --- and you

            In my opinion, outspoken anti-Semites and Russophobes settled in the State Department. Spreading vile slander against honest citizens of Russia and Israel. And it is a pity that Israel was led to this provocation.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 5 2016 07: 18
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        including billions in offshore transfers

        You mean Poroshenko laughing
        Quote: atalef

        Yes, something like shouting - More sanctions - in the State Duma and law - vexed.

        Yes, somehow everyone is already tired of yelling, not fashionable.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 07: 22
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You mean Poroshenko

          Really. How are Ukrainians?
          wink
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, somehow everyone is already tired of yelling, not fashionable.

          Yes . fashion is so changeable.
          Do you remember how quickly the fashion on Strelkova passed. laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 5 2016 07: 45
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Really. How are Ukrainians?

            I don’t know, but a schukher for the whole world. At the Censor, people are trying to convince that the withdrawal of Powder dough into offshore is not a violation of the law.
            Quote: atalef
            Do you remember how quickly the fashion on Strelkova went

            Shooters, Shooters .......... what No, I don’t remember. And who is it?
          2. ver_
            ver_ April 5 2016 08: 32
            +3
            ... the Moor has done his job ..
            1. Imperialkolorad
              Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: ver_
              ... the Moor has done his job ..

              As for this Moor, I will never speak badly of him. For when, including I fought without getting up from the couch, he defended the lives of people who consider themselves Russian, with weapons in their hands.
              But he got into politics in vain. That’s the whole story.
      4. Vitwin
        Vitwin April 5 2016 08: 35
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Optimistic

        Rather, the diagnosis))
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 5 2016 08: 42
          -2
          Quote: Vitwin
          Quote: atalef
          Optimistic

          Rather, the diagnosis))

          yeah, kidding me all ... You would have a TV with one program ... Go to sleep and wake up with Kiselev ...
          1. Vitwin
            Vitwin April 5 2016 08: 52
            +1
            Quote: Pinky F.
            ... you would have a TV with one program.

            Ugh, ugh, that I did you a bad thing)))
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. April 5 2016 09: 08
              0
              Quote: Vitwin
              Ugh, ugh, that I did you a bad thing)))

              (infernal-sardonic): Hahahahahaha ....
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov April 5 2016 12: 30
                -2
                and before they said 40 billion in Putin's o_O accounts

                question: who stole from the darkest the remaining 38 billion o_O

                Is Navalny better at investigating choli?

              2. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik April 5 2016 14: 58
                -2
                Yes, watch the Ukrainian 112 channel! and calm down
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      5. IS-80
        IS-80 April 5 2016 12: 47
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        including billions in offshore transfers

        Chot a little money this time found. laughing
        Quote: atalef
        but why did you decide that he complains?

        EEEEE .. And what does not complain?
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, something like shouting - More sanctions - in the State Duma and law - vexed.

        Well, Duc got tired of screaming for a whole year.
        Quote: atalef
        Optimistic.

        Do we be sad. We live in the best country in the world and all other countries envy us.
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        2. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 13: 56
          +3
          Quote: IS-80
          We live in the best country in the world.

          Wonderful country

          Quote: IS-80
          and all other countries envy us

          I doubt it.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 April 5 2016 15: 01
            0
            Quote: atalef
            I doubt it.

            Do not doubt. smile
            Quote: atalef
            Wonderful country

            good
          2. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 22: 04
            0
            Quote: atalef
            I doubt it.

            So it's not evening yet.
      6. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 18: 05
        -1
        atalef

        Politicians, the level of GDP, do not retire.

        They either die a natural death or, well, or ...

        Therefore, personally, GDP, money is not needed, but he took care of his family.

        Therefore, your statements about money and offshore in relation to GDP seem silly.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 19: 05
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          Politicians, the level of GDP, do not retire.

          They either die a natural death or, well, or ...

          Therefore, personally, GDP, money is not needed, but he took care of his family.

          Therefore, your statements about money and offshore in relation to GDP seem silly.

          and he keeps the family’s money in a savings bank? belay laughing
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 April 5 2016 20: 43
            0
            Quote: atalef
            and he keeps the family’s money in a savings bank?

            Do you think Putin does not trust friend Herman? Taki drop it.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 April 6 2016 18: 01
            0
            atalef

            I did not look into GDP in my pocket.

            If they hold money in banks, then in vain. In the means of production, money must be kept.
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 5 2016 22: 22
          +2
          Quote: gladcu2
          Therefore, personally, GDP, money is not needed .. Therefore, your statements about money and offshore in relation to GDP, look stupid.

          Under one condition, that a citizen intends to reside in the country.
      7. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 21: 59
        0
        Quote: atalef
        including billions in offshore transfers

        Appearances, passwords. Just do not refer to the left films of British journalists, which have become worse than British scientists.
        Quote: atalef
        but why did you decide that he complains?

        Well, persuaded, they don’t complain, but they brazenly lie.
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, something like shouting - More sanctions - in the State Duma and law - vexed.

        Maybe they decided to work, not grind their tongues (a joke of course).
        Quote: atalef
        Optimistic.

        So in our time we can only cope with the positive.
  • VP
    VP April 5 2016 06: 51
    0
    Now there is another resource for the economy.
    This is the Panama offshore scandal.
    I think that after him the people screech out of the offshore home, realizing that the offshore havens are a complete fiction.
    I even admit that this scandal was inspired by the Darkest One who has been hinting for the second year already "guys, let's start returning from offshore companies, we have just for you the amnesty is still valid until the summer of 2016" wink
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2016 07: 10
      +4
      Quote: VP
      Now there is another resource for the economy.
      This is the Panama offshore scandal.

      Well, well
      They will break (citizens of the states) for whom law enforcement agencies will begin to investigate.
      And yiwu against whom to investigate? The entire elite of Russia sits in these offshore.
      Including all friends and Peskov’s wife.


      Quote: VP
      I think that after him the people screech out of the offshore home, realizing that the offshore havens are a complete fiction.

      Yes, in honor of what?
      Quote: VP
      I even admit that this scandal was inspired by the Darkest One who has been hinting for the second year already, “guys, let's start returning from offshore companies,

      Yes Yes . that case. laughing laughing
      Quote: VP
      we have just for you amnesty is still valid until the summer of 2016

      this is all not true. sand clearly said
      The Russian authorities were ready for publication: on March 28, a spokesman for the Russian president Dmitry Peskov said that an “information dump” was expected in the coming days against the Russian leadership, primarily President Vladimir Putin.

      Read more at RBC:
      http://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/04/2016/570176ae9a794775a47178d5
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 5 2016 07: 47
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        this is all not true. sand clearly said

        Sanya, but why the hell Putin put the loot offshore? What for? What is the point? Moreover, as shown by the Cypriot practice, the loot can be lost.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 08: 00
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: atalef
          this is all not true. sand clearly said

          Sanya, but why the hell Putin put the loot offshore? What for? What is the point? Moreover, as shown by the Cypriot practice, the loot can be lost.

          Well, Cyprus and Verginsuje wass all the same things, but why get it? Nothing forever under the moon - why do the children of Gorbachev and Yeltsin live abroad? Yes, and 90% of the Russian elite is the same?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 5 2016 08: 23
            +10
            Quote: atalef
            Well, Cyprus and Verginsuje wass all the same things, but why get it?

            Sanya, I can assume that Putin has more than 2 billion bucks, but if they are, then it’s definitely not an offshore. Putin is far from a nerd to take the loot offshore. This is silly. And even if it was there, it would have long been known to everyone, without any journalists. In short, complete nonsense, there’s nothing to even discuss. What would you understand, Putin is not a man of one day, what were his predecessors, which you mentioned below.
            Quote: atalef
            Why do the children of Gorbachev and Yeltsin live abroad?

            If you trade in the Homeland, then where else do you live?
            Quote: atalef
            Yes, and 90% of the Russian elite is the same?

            Mngo heard from journalists where Putin’s daughters live, photos of houses and other things. One problem, everyone knows where his daughters live, but not one journalist was able to photograph them. They probably don’t leave the house and dad forbade them to go to the windows wink
            1. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer April 5 2016 14: 42
              +4
              There are a couple of slippery spots in the offshore topic:

              1. State banks do not give money to anyone on credit in offshore, but here they give ... who can not refuse state banks? Who can get money in Russia at a state bank at 1,5% + LIBOR rate? Anyone who considers (confuses) these banks with his pocket.
              - The last one I heard about was a certain businessman Shamalov, to whom a friend of his father-in-law sold Sibur's shares .... oh yes - he sold it at a market price, as he said. and so the state bank allocated money for this transaction at the magic rate of 1,5% + LIBOR.

              2. I am confused by the question that the shares of KAMAZ and VAZ are bought up by Troika Dialog and transferred to the company ... cellist? For $ 100000?
              Yes, this package was two orders of magnitude more expensive!

              -
          2. evil partisan
            evil partisan April 5 2016 09: 26
            0
            Quote: atalef
            ... the children of Gorbachev and Yeltsin live abroad ... And 90% of the Russian elite is the same?

            I do not understand sad . And from what hangover did you send me abroad too ?? am
            Hi spiteful! drinks
          3. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 22: 08
            0
            Quote: atalef

            Well, Cyprus and Verginsuje wass all the same things, but why get it? Nothing forever under the moon - why do the children of Gorbachev and Yeltsin live abroad? Yes, and 90% of the Russian elite is the same?

            So Gorbachev and Yeltsin surrendered the country's interests, but Putin did not. Moreover, GDP did one of the most terrible things, namely, it paid off almost all its debts. Nothing shines behind the hill, only death.
        2. ver_
          ver_ April 5 2016 08: 42
          0
          ... he’s quite enough of what he has - tea is not immortal ... and in another world - he doesn’t need money ... By the way: I believe that it’s very disappointing when I leave for another world to leave a lot of dough on this ..
        3. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 22: 06
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sanya, but why the hell Putin put the loot offshore? What for? What is the point? Moreover, as shown by the Cypriot practice, the loot can be lost.

          Here, the fate of the money of Gaddafi and Yanukovych is even more indicative.
      2. VP
        VP April 5 2016 08: 56
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        They will break (citizens of the states) for whom law enforcement agencies will begin to investigate.

        What exactly to investigate?
        What law enforcement?
        Who even organized these offshore companies, do not remind? laughing
        It’s not those who have some organs there breaking up, those who understand that the offshore guarantees nothing to anyone and doesn’t hide anyone from anything, what can they take for guzka at any time. Moreover, both representatives of the country of his citizenship and representatives of any other country.
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, in honor of what?

        In honor of the fact that holding large capitals in offshores, withdrawn "in an almost honest way" loses its meaning and adds problems. For example, in our case, excommunication from state tenders, I don't know how in Israel with this, maybe there really is "in honor of what."
        Quote: atalef
        Yes Yes . that case.

        And why not, there is no compromising evidence on him in these materials.
        Quote: atalef
        sand clearly said

        The fact that the materials do not draw on a throw-in against the President of the Russian Federation due to the absence of at least some specifics.
        If Poroshenko and Cameron are indicated explicitly and directly, then Putin is not there from the word "in general".
        I’m not saying that I’m just writing that he, among others, is, in fact, profitable. So why not assume for banter wink
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 18: 49
        -2
        atalef

        Those who can do fraud in offshore companies are citizens of several countries. And they have a mentality of not belonging to the citizenship of any state.

        Since money took the form of electronic exchange. It is strange to assume that financial flows are not monitored.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 19: 07
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          Those who can do fraud in offshore are citizens of several countries

          delirium
          Quote: gladcu2
          And they have a mentality of not belonging to the citizenship of any state.

          interesting idea
          Quote: gladcu2
          Since money took the form of electronic exchange. It is strange to assume that financial flows are not monitored.

          You have the flag of Canada, and according to the level of committees, as if writing from a remote village.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 5 2016 09: 52
      0
      "I even admit that this scandal was inspired by the Darkest One" ////

      Do not exaggerate its significance. Putin's share in these documents
      - 0.0 ... percent. He lit up only 2 billion, Kovalchuk -
      1 billion. Nonsense, small things. Aliyev, for example, is an order of magnitude larger.
      There came out 11 million documents on more than 200,000 offshore companies.
      And the presidents, and drug dealers, and athletes ...
      1. VP
        VP April 5 2016 10: 10
        -2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        He lit up only 2 billion

        Can I quote with Putin and two billion?
        Well darn not "everyone knows" but specifically?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 5 2016 10: 32
          +2
          None of the 12 offshore presidents lit up
          states and other "bigwigs" did not register companies and accounts in their own names.
          There are no such dumb ones.
          Registration of companies and nominee account holders - always
          on relatives or close friends.
          But for the police and tax authorities of any country - this is not an obstacle
          for investigation. During interrogations, usually relatives / friends
          split who is the true owner of the money (in exchange for his
          immunity).
          1. VP
            VP April 5 2016 11: 31
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            None of the 12 offshore presidents lit up
            states and other "bigwigs" did not register companies and accounts in their own names.
            There are no such dumb ones.

            Poroshenko, no?
            In general, I realized - as usual, an empty idle talk about nothing, only the amount has sharply lost weight this time, the sturgeon decided to cut laughing
          2. dogens
            dogens April 5 2016 11: 39
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But for the police and tax authorities of any country - this is not an obstacle
            for investigation. During interrogations, usually relatives / friends
            split who is the true owner of the money (in exchange for his
            immunity)
            .

            Excuse me, are we talking about illegal and hidden incomes?
            I.e. He has a peasant Petya, he has a wife Zoya, and her daughter Alenka, as if on a chocolate bar. Petya washed money. He started this money in Cyprus, opened Gmbh Alenka, made his daughter the first person, and his wife the founder. He lived happily ever after. Suddenly, rumors spread around Petya, and the law enforcement agencies of another country took his wife and daughter for soft tissue. And they say that your company has illegal money in its capital. WTF?
            Again. In another country. Policemen. They say. Your money is not legal! If you consider that your company is nominal and you do not appear in Cyprus, it is very interesting how you can be scared and how they will be pricked. And what inviolability, if you are in a zone of reach.
            That is, only property can suffer. Arrest of accounts, seizure of property. OK. Here I think that Alenka, that Zoe, that Pete, testify against each other it makes no sense. Money is common nominally. That so together everyone will lose, that so.
            If Petya is also a big official, then his reputation will suffer next, but even here his relatives will not give up. Since they will follow and lose all their preferences. So that the clans will never give up their own, they have a completely mutually beneficial "symbiosis" (what a cool alternative to the word "official's family").
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 5 2016 12: 16
              +3
              I agree with you. In the largest clans, "leaders" are not surrendered.
              But the tax authorities usually need to find a connection. Not required
              "frank confession" to bill and fine
              for the export of capital and tax evasion.
              In Israel, too, large-scale cases will now go against the rich and firms,
              which lit up in the "panam gate".

              Poroshenko also made an offshore for himself in 2014 (in violation of the law).
              I decided to play it safe.
              But offshore without transactions. So it will probably come dry out of the water.
            2. atalef
              atalef April 5 2016 19: 10
              0
              Quote: dogens
              more times. In another country. Policemen. They say. Your money is not legal! If you consider that your company is nominal and you do not appear in Cyprus, it is very interesting how you can be scared and how they will be pricked.

              What nonsense, for the country of the owner of offshore - they are just legal, then offshore.
              Quote: dogens
              If Petya is also a large official, then his reputation will suffer, but here he will not give up his relatives.

              It all depends on your police, they handed over like nice ones.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 5 2016 12: 53
        -1
        Santobarbar on the topic "Putin stole" continues.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 5 2016 06: 58
    +2
    West is indignant

    They soon have a stroke due to this indignation. No matter how Russia does not want to die, and the people take up the pitchfork. Resentment grows into an understanding of the impossibility of its efforts to collapse our country, hence the constant stress.
    Hellewig thinks these people “hate” the commodity industry because it “helps maintain Russia's independence».

    But Fin is right. You look at some actions of the government and the thought arises of intentional sabotage.
    1. epsilon571
      epsilon571 April 5 2016 14: 50
      +2
      That's it deliberate! The fish is known to rot from the head, and an offshore incident is an excellent indicator of the cleanliness of power. Of course, we must responsibly approach such information, but the fact that it affects not only Russia, but also other countries, tells us that this is not an easy informational stuffing. The crooks of all countries and peoples must understand - to hide their income from the State is a crime, it will be followed by exposure and general shame.

      I can’t say whether Mr. Putin understands this, judging by the publications “not quite”. For an honest politician, such information affects honor and dignity, and its investigation must be open and extremely thorough. But the statement of Mr. Peskov - we all know, but you are not supposed to know, it looks like childish babble. At a time when the whole country is fighting corruption, everyone should know about it! From here I draw my conclusion - our bureaucrats have once again been caught by the hand, they are playing a double game, and this is disgusting, ashamed and unacceptable!
      1. atalef
        atalef April 5 2016 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: epsilon571
        For an honest politician, such information affects honor and dignity, and its investigation should be open and extremely thorough. And here is the statement of Mr. Peskov - we all know, but you shouldn’t know, it seems like babble

        Why are you babbling?
        He is there (along with his wife, Navka 0, the same appears, which is probably why
        Peskov became not so much a source of fear or disgust as an interest worthy of a soap opera, as all attention was riveted on his watch worth 600 thousand dollars and a magnificent wedding with the Olympic champion in figure skating

        well and his answer
        In response to the indignation and ridicule in social networks (“Do not be distracted, please, and continue to follow Ukraine,” a tweet from Usa Peskov tweeted), the presidential spokesman said that the watch is a wedding present from Navka, and that “really, watches are very expensive. But they cost significantly less than some comrades indicate. ” Navka confirmed his words: “I am an Olympic champion. I work a lot, including the whole summer, ”she said in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda. - Before my wedding, of course, the question arose - what to give to my beloved man? And I found a way out for myself and bought this beautiful watch. ”

        The problem with the explanations of Peskov and Navka is that the Kremlin’s press secretary took pictures with this watch on his hand almost four months before the wedding. That photo appeared on Instagram of Peskov’s daughter from Elizabeth’s first marriage, who decided not to attend the wedding for her mother.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 19: 17
        -2
        epsilon

        What is the attitude of government towards offshore?
        What do you want to say that GDP hides its headstock abroad?

        What's the point?

        I understand that if you are a resale businessman, a consignment of goods has left earnings in a country where there is minimal taxation.

        And what about the GDP?

        The gross domestic product is just set to catch such fans to sit on two chairs.
  • pts-m
    pts-m April 5 2016 07: 29
    0
    It seems that the Geisoyuz West and the mattress have forgotten about the saying of the Russians ... "Don't dig a hole for your neighbor, as you yourself can fall into it" ...
  • Karabin
    Karabin April 5 2016 07: 41
    +8
    As for the “liberal economists and their media” mentioned by Hellevig, aren't the liberals seated by someone in the armchairs of the economic bloc of the government?

    And who are these "someone" who is able to cram the enemies of the liberals into the chairs of the ministers of the economic bloc of a sovereign country? Also, bypassing such a President and Grand Duke of Tauride and Syria? State Department? CIA? Mi-6? Martians? They beat the guarantor (zombified, irradiated, blackmailed with children) when the government was formed? I would like to get an answer to this from Chuvakin, who was reviewing, and other fed-growing public. Or maybe everything is much simpler and you don't need to look for a cat in a dark room? Liberal ministers are sitting in their chairs because the liberal president presented this government, headed by the liberal prime minister, for approval by the Duma. The Duma approved this cabinet by the majority of liberal votes. All. Therefore, we have what we have. And the liberals have the whole country.
  • tomeng
    tomeng April 5 2016 08: 03
    -3
    Quote: atalef
    including billions in offshore transfers

    How tired of you all. You did see payments from those accounts? Or in the silence of the night, personally, with their white pens, overloaded a ruble into these accounts overloaded money? Evidence or keep quiet like a fish on ice.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2016 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: tomeng
      Quote: atalef
      including billions in offshore transfers

      How tired of you all. You did see payments from those accounts? Or in the silence of the night, personally, with their white pens, overloaded a ruble into these accounts overloaded money? Evidence or keep quiet like a fish on ice.

      Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are
      1. Vitwin
        Vitwin April 5 2016 08: 46
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are

        I was surprised that even penguins in Antarctica know about this ...
        1. Boos
          Boos April 5 2016 14: 27
          +1
          Penguins already do not know anything, they pray from morning to evening, they bow to Constantinople! Gundyaev baptized them all, it is a pity he himself did not stay with them ...))) Joke!
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 5 2016 08: 51
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are

        ... yes!
        Someone has spiritual bonds!
        And someone has an "inner core" ... retrievable from time to time! and used as a radical persuasion - like a club!
        ... stake, they say, all of you on the head!
      3. VP
        VP April 5 2016 09: 42
        -2
        Those. "Putin's hundred thousand billions" from the same category? I thought so laughing
      4. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 5 2016 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 19: 31
        -2
        atalef

        Money does not unreasonably transfer money from country to country. You will pay a tax that will remove all the attractiveness of this transfer.

        "Offshore" is from English, "offshore". It assumes a place where it is present for various reasons, the minimum taxation bar. Large businessmen like to register their companies there. In fact, those are citizens of countries who do not want to pay taxes in their country.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 20: 14
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          Money does not unreasonably transfer money from country to country. You will pay a tax that will remove all the attractiveness of this transfer.

          Dilettantism.
          The company is registered in offshore, taxes are not paid
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 April 6 2016 18: 19
            0
            atalef

            What you can’t connect logic?

            Have you tried to transfer at least somehow a bag from country to country? From 10 to 30% of taxes. And especially if it declares it as an inheritance.

            Offshore companies are good because they allow you to make transactions under the flag of a country where taxes are low. Often not withdrawing money unnecessarily.

            You, as a woman, are having a dispute.

            Minus, call names, accuse. Are you hysterical or "holidays"?
      6. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 22: 11
        0
        Quote: atalef

        Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are

        So they can not eat. You answer the case, what is your evidence.
    2. xabaroff.ven
      xabaroff.ven April 5 2016 09: 23
      +4
      tomeng
      You want to say that there is no theft among the ruling plutocracy. What is in the government, the State Duma, the Presidential Administration, the prosecutor’s office, etc. (to city and rural administrations), there are continuous disinterested, honest champions of Russian prosperity. (Serdyukov for example). Far from it. One of many examples - not one large construction site in recent years has not done without corruption and financial scandals. This is only according to statements by officials and about cases that cannot be hidden because of the size of the media stolen and therefore become known. Naturally, nobody knows the account numbers, they didn’t steal it for that. Question is where is the money? the answer is in p .... (ask the gynecologist). True, he says that they are not there either. Offshore remains.
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  • tomeng
    tomeng April 5 2016 08: 08
    -2
    Quote: atalef
    Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are

    that is, Putin’s offshore is your folk religion? then stop missioning here, believe yourself silently.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 5 2016 10: 17
      -1
      Quote: tomeng
      Quote: atalef
      Have you seen spiritual bonds? And they say they are

      that is, Putin’s offshore is your folk religion? then stop missioning here, believe yourself silently.

      Broadcast from Peter?
      1. VP
        VP April 5 2016 10: 32
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Broadcast from Peter?

        No, no, you need to say "the very bad word" and disdainfully pull with a shoulder, then everyone will gasp at once and begin to believe you and condemn your opponents, but it worked in kindergarten
      2. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 5 2016 22: 12
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Broadcast from Peter?

        Take higher from the Kremlin.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov April 5 2016 08: 18
    +1
    The Liberal West is indignant: Russia will not fall into the pit of the economic crisis. The industry feels not so bad; in two months of 2016, she even showed a slight increase. Unemployment has not jumped to a catastrophic value. Imports are low: a diversified Russian economy produces most of what it consumes. Gold reserves are also large.

    I would also mind the economic bloc of our government.
  • husband
    husband April 5 2016 08: 50
    +12
    In February 2016 (one more working day more) by February 2015, cement - minus 16,3%; building brick - minus 38,2%; small wall blocks - minus 24,2%; large wall blocks - minus 35,9%; paving slabs - minus 22,1%; reinforced concrete structures - minus 23%; tile - minus 12,5%; facade tile - minus 30,4%; steel building constructions - minus 9,2%; metal doors - minus 9,9%; wooden window blocks - minus 12,1%; wooden door blocks - minus 18,6%; housing commissioning - minus 23,1%.

    In Rubles, a 25-40% drop in the main segments of the economy - construction and the car market. 60% in dollars !!!!!
    In one year !!! This is torn to shreds. If you do not understand now what happened, then it will come in a year. Our GDP is already less than $ 1 trillion.
    US and EU GDP at $ 17 tril, China - $ 13 tril. They have a recession - a drop of 2%, and we only have 60!

    The country crashed into a concrete wall at full speed, and you still live in illusions.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 5 2016 10: 12
      +7
      Quote: sot
      The country crashed into a concrete wall at full speed, and you still live in illusions.

      This site is an ideological war. not economic. We are good - enemies are all around, we are surrounded, but we will repulse and we will defeat all. Who needs your numbers. The main thing is Obama, Erdogan, Poroshenko and Merkel are stupid, do not understand anything, and our boss is oh * but a smart super guy and we are the coolest in the world. And you are here about the numbers ... who cares? Troll is not a mathematician, Troll is a writer)))
      1. dogens
        dogens April 5 2016 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: Al1977
        Quote: sot
        The country crashed into a concrete wall at full speed, and you still live in illusions.

        This site is an ideological war. not economic. We are good - enemies are all around, we are surrounded, but we will repulse and we will defeat all. Who needs your numbers. The main thing is Obama, Erdogan, Poroshenko and Merkel are stupid, do not understand anything, and our boss is oh * but a smart super guy and we are the coolest in the world. And you are here about the numbers ... who cares? Troll is not a mathematician, Troll is a writer)))


        This is just not a question of Putin. And not in the economy. The question is precisely in ideology. And if our discussions led to at least something useful in the ideology of officials, then we could rejoice. If we would come to a common denominator in ideology, and someone would pick it up and execute it well too. But, apparently, talking into milk)))
        If we count the numbers here, ponder, poured, we will have no effect anyway.
        Here is a comrade cited figures. And what? Well, someone thought. And what? I went to my wife complained. And what? We need an ideology, a plan, an embodiment of a plan. And this is an excuse for action.
        By the way, the comrade above could still say a word about the size of our reserve fund, for knocking out illusions, not a bad argument.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 April 5 2016 12: 00
          +1
          Quote: dogens
          The question is precisely in ideology.

          The idiology of the 21st century is extremely simple. Living with dignity and freedom. Freedom of movement around the world ... and this requires money. Earn - invest in yourself, hobbies, sports, creative implementations.
          And everything else. all these communisms, rising from their knees and other ideological ravings, to cover up poverty. The more the country is impoverished, the more and more pathos it will palm off on ideas. Vaughn, North Korea, PPC which is ideological. And if they didn’t see the world on TV, then their thoughts would be different and life would be different.
      2. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 5 2016 11: 54
        +2
        Quote: Al1977
        The main thing Obama, Erdogan, Poroshenko and Merkel are stupid, do not understand anything

        Yes, no, the flow of consciousness in this direction for some is limited to quoting Lavrov. Plus a couple of pictures with a bear and a naked torso of GDP.
      3. bk316
        bk316 April 5 2016 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Al1977
        This site is an ideological war. not economic.

        And how can a site go at all? economic war?
        You didn’t confuse the internet with reality?
        So yes - ideological.
        Only the numbers of ideology are not a hindrance, although it was the shit that at one time refused to use numbers in the ideology (bloody rubble, prison of nations, the light of freedom, red-brown, the whole civilized world) why are there numbers? As he said, fighting the Germans in the radio at a rally: he’d paid the goats.
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 5 2016 20: 01
        -1
        Al1977

        What did you want to say that in the Russian Federation everyone is stupid, and all are smart around?

        Not trying to find the reasons for the decline in production?

        Again GDP, leaked?
        1. atalef
          atalef April 5 2016 20: 16
          0
          Quote: gladcu2
          What did you want to say that in the Russian Federation everyone is stupid, and all are smart around?

          What do you mean. vice versa
          Quote: gladcu2
          Not trying to find the reasons for the decline in production?

          Nah, dumb ones
          Quote: gladcu2
          Again GDP, leaked?

          Do not touch the holy.
    2. VP
      VP April 5 2016 12: 03
      +1
      Do not share a link? It is desirable not to use "non-spending" resources.
      Here is the Rosstat, with a little analysis
      http://aftershock.news/?q=node/383828
      And where did you dig the data from? Or is it a secret?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 5 2016 13: 06
      -1
      In general, our GDP for 2015 - $ 1,8 trillion and construction and the car market, I would not call the main, segments, GDP indicators - all this is like consumer goods - someone bought, someone sold, someone resold, someone built, froze until better times, but someone doesn’t need this, because everything is already there. The main indicator of our economy is export, last year it amounted to 540 billion dollars.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 5 2016 15: 18
      +3
      Quote: sot
      In February 2016 of the year (one working day more) to February of 2015


      Who are you writing this to? To grandfather's village?
    5. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 5 2016 19: 48
      0
      Quote: sot
      In Rubles, a 25-40% drop in the main segments of the economy - construction and the car market

      Um .. construction - read, mortgage, highly overvalued - fell .. car market - "screwdriver" + imports, money is made (conventionally, we don’t shout loudly, trying to think) - on the same building (overvalued, I repeat) ..

      So what?? belay

      Quote: sot
      This is torn to shreds

      Well, yes, yes .. Do you measure with your wallet? wink

      Quote: sot
      The country crashed into a concrete wall at full speed

      Mdya .. we have different countries, campaign negative
    6. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon April 5 2016 21: 53
      -2
      And you can tsyfiriki tezhe but not in relative but in absolute values ​​and in comparison with the United States, since with China, I think the voiced GDP is underestimated to the real, and the amers are vice versa and moreover at times! Recently I learned that less than 6% of "workers" are employed in the manufacturing sector in the USA ... what do the rest do ...! ??
      I do not argue that our economy has entered a peak, moreover, in 2012, before the sanctions ... but your comparisons with the liberal soul ...
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander April 5 2016 08: 51
    0
    “When oil prices are high, we are very hard to hold on from the use of oil revenues for operating expenses. And our non-oil and gas deficit has grown, in my opinion, to a very dangerous point, ”Putin told the publication. - Now we are forced to lower it. And this heals».


    Improvement should not occur thanks to blows to the head yes

    That is why there is the BRAIN (government), in order to realize that it is always necessary to "get healthier" to myself to strive for this. .
  • Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic April 5 2016 09: 02
    +2
    Wrong with the release date of the article. Five days ago it was necessary.
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan April 5 2016 09: 22
    0
    Only a strong and high-tech country that can provide for itself, and not one that draws raw materials from the bowels, can be truly independent.
    Well you tell this to Japan wink
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. April 5 2016 09: 37
    +5
    I am not a supporter of GDP, but not a supporter of all this liberal forgiveness ... when the government and the government say that they could not solve the problem of oil money, then ask yourself the question, who are you? Power or not, the power of power is that it professionally solves the problems that arise, regardless of whether there is oil or gas or there are no such examples, Roosevelt was the first at the beginning of the 20th century who divided the Rockefeller empire, Roosevelt in the 30s, the times of depression in the USA , Stalin's industrialization of the country, when the GDP in some years reached 30%, Lee Kuan Yu prime minister of Singapore. The role of personality in history has not yet been canceled. The authorities and the first leaders are evaluated and remembered in history by the way they acted in the most severe conditions. Frankly speaking, the government completely failed in domestic politics, in particular, economics, personnel, ideology, and this whole crisis shows all the flaws of the authorities, from corruption to their behavior and lifestyle, clearer and clever decisions that are closer to the body, and it’s NOT VISIBLE.
  • atamankko
    atamankko April 5 2016 10: 22
    0
    There are a lot of people in the power of people far from economics, finance and jurisdiction,
    therefore, we sing and dance well, but we forgot about the life of a simple working people.
  • runway
    runway April 5 2016 10: 45
    +4
    Well, data on Panamanian offshore surfaced, so what?
    Already published data on racket of enterprises and palaces. Even by the clock and sweatpants. And nothing. He didn’t resign. I didn’t even apologize. Waiting for repentance in vain - where there is no conscience and compassion for one's neighbor, demons revel there.
    Now about "Don't make yourself an idol" - the disappointment will be very bitter. And although there are still those who hope that our current leaders only think about the people and the country, the government has already estimated the cost of human life - it is much less than the cost of a watch on their hand.
  • koshmarik
    koshmarik April 5 2016 11: 41
    +1
    Nearby Europeans have a very short memory. During the Second World War, the industry of ALL Europe worked for Hitler, for more than 5 years we had no economic ties with Western Europe. So what? The people and the army not only survived, but also destroyed fascism and freed the helpless Europeans from it, and then there were some sanctions there. Naive.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 5 2016 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: koshmarik
      and then there are some sanctions

      I believe that for them, the salary equal to their refugee allowance is just an indicator of the crisis. But we don’t think so. We do not measure the economy in numbers, but measure spiritual bonds. And therefore, everything is fine with us.
      And where does the sanction come from? Or are you on the sanctions list, then I envy you))))
      So then we also imposed sanctions on them))) We also tore their economy))))
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer April 5 2016 14: 57
        +2
        Mistake - refugee allowance of 800 euros. The average salary of a European is 3500-4500 euros minus taxes.
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik April 6 2016 07: 49
          -1
          Lying! Only a few countries in Europe, Scandinavian countries receive such salaries! Even in Germany, the average salary is from 2000-2500 euros! And how much do they receive, for example, in Moldova or Bulgaria?
  • Governor
    Governor April 5 2016 13: 55
    +7
    Yes, in fact, Western politicians are right, the economy of Rosseyushki is really torn. She is dying rapidly, but the authorities are killing her and only the blind can not see it.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 5 2016 14: 59
    -2
    Quote: Pinky F.
    Yes, no, the flow of consciousness in this direction for some is limited to quoting Lavrov. Plus a couple of pictures with a bear and a naked torso of GDP.

    Yes, but of you, the intellect is rushing, you are our prolific, you have scribbled so many comments, but no sense, meaningless words and a couple of pictures with a kindergarten theme, that's your whole "stream of consciousness", but don't worry, until "Marshal "there isn't much left with your abilities.
  • DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer April 5 2016 15: 07
    +5
    Why make unpopular decisions in the economy, make loans available to industrial enterprises, develop infrastructure - when you can simply depreciate the ruble?
    Rob business and the entire population.
    But for export, goods immediately become interesting at a price - nothing that you can’t import high-tech equipment (since it’s not manufactured and it’s impossible to produce all the necessary equipment) - it's that simple ...
    Reducing infrastructure costs is exacerbating the crisis.
    In the crisis of 2008-2010, China invested in the construction of high-speed rail, in bridges, roads — in short, in infrastructure and emerged from the crisis as an even richer and stronger state.
    Russia did exactly the opposite ... Hey in the government! You may not be the smartest, but does the example of others teach you nothing at all?

    The government in general, in theory, should create the conditions for business. Our government distributes quotas, sets excise taxes, collects statistics - in general, if it does not exist, it will be even easier for the economy ...
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 5 2016 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Why make unpopular decisions in the economy

      The president’s rating is 82%, which indicates the unconditional support of the population of his policy. This policy. Plus TV, which transferred the population from our country to Ukraine and Syria. THERE is bad .. somewhere far away ... But we, on the contrary, are the only ones in the world doing the right thing. What reforms are you talking about? What for? To whom? Hunger in the country does not mean everything is fine.
      Wealthy people want freedom ... starts asking questions to the president. And the beggar will fight with Obama.
  • Infernal man
    Infernal man April 5 2016 17: 52
    +3
    Who writes such articles and why is understandable. But I read komenty and don’t understand whether every second oligarch here has no emphasis on the crisis and they are doing well, whether these are children sitting on their parents’s necks and simply don’t understand what’s happening with the economy, they don’t control price conditions, work situation, etc.
    In my life, alas, things are not so rosy. Not everything is so good with work - there are no objects. More precisely, that is, that is not - while I somehow support the pants, but there is no stability or growth. At the same time, natural needs are growing (something broke down there at home, something was needed there, etc.), and the prices of imported goods are now 2 times higher than our income, which did not increase. All spare parts, all electronics, things are all imported and, accordingly, 2 times more expensive than usual.
    During this crisis, the entire accumulated "fat layer" of the family budget was spent in this way. So we can safely say that I am getting poorer in front of my eyes with such a chic and problem-free economy, which the author and others like him are flooding about here.
    I’ve long been accustomed to assessing the real existence of problems in the economy by business - there are objects, then everything is fine, people are building. There are no objects, so people have become impoverished and have decided to postpone the construction for now. Now there are no objects.
    ... Yes, and much more indicative of the fact that in the event of a collapse in oil prices, we introduce additional excise taxes on gasoline ...
    Well, let’s continue to sing the mantra that everything is fine with us and that the smart government of effective managers is doing everything right. Maybe someone will believe. But no matter how much you say “halva”, your mouth will not become sweeter.
  • Infernal man
    Infernal man April 5 2016 17: 56
    +2
    But such articles, which always praise the government, the situation, the guarantor and others, calling for humility, are a solid order so that people would believe and wait while the bureaucrats continue to fill their pockets. This is your "import substitution" here, you walk in sandals, you buy cheap products in bulk in the markets, so that it would be cheaper ... But the bureaucrats are fine, be sure they are getting richer and there is no crisis.
  • Infernal man
    Infernal man April 5 2016 18: 00
    +4
    Still, in pursuit.
    The name touches, as if something is slightly wrong now - all the liberals, the fifth column and grant-eaters.
    Not happy with Putin’s policies? - liberalist!
    Not satisfied with the government? - traitor!
    Do you have a crisis? Yes, you are clearly from the fifth column!
  • Grave of B. Cross2
    Grave of B. Cross2 April 5 2016 19: 18
    +1
    Found a stale 2 billion? In fact, according to various estimates, 1,5-2 trillion dollars have been exported from the country since 1993. Oligarch, nothing personal. Under the "guarantor" they also take out and will take out. The whole laughter is that most of this dough will be confiscated by the West. And what, to steal stolen goods is normal. And there is some degree of justice in this.
  • Stoler
    Stoler April 5 2016 19: 54
    +2
    The "stability of the economy" of Russia is explained by the lack of its own production of basic (and almost all) consumer goods and completely electronics! THIS IS THE WHOLE FOCUS !!!
  • epsilon571
    epsilon571 April 5 2016 23: 07
    +2
    And here is the first sign of an offshore scandal. As I already said, everything happens honestly and openly, though not with us yet.

    ***
    Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnløigsson resigned after the offshore scandal, which the media has already dubbed "Panamagate" - by analogy with the famous Watergate. 2239

    * 05.04.2016/19/22, XNUMX:XNUMX

    Gunnleugsson left his post under public pressure. The petition for his resignation was signed by more than 16 thousand Icelanders, and the Icelandic opposition even demanded a vote on a vote of no confidence in the country's center-right government, Interfax reports.

    Earlier this week, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalism released the Panama Papers of law firm Mossack Fonseca, which contains evidence of the involvement of several world leaders in tax evasion, money laundering and other scams. Among others, the Icelandic Prime Minister appears in these documents.

    As it turned out, in 2007, the prime minister and his wife founded the offshore company Wintris in the British Virgin Islands.

    Read more on NTV.Ru
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 6 2016 05: 41
    +3
    The biggest harm for Russia is not the sanctions, but the oil and gas revenues that the Russian government is accustomed to counting, the Russian president said in a January interview with the German edition of Bild.

    The thought expressed by the GDP is more than fair. But the question arises of a respected GDP.
    And who is to blame for the fact that you have such a government? After all, not a single key position in this government is filled without your "approval from"? Moreover, not a single serious discussion of Russia's economic problems is complete without your participation. So why are the barrels rolling on some "unknown" to you government and on some liberals. After all, those Russians who have made a fortune and continue to profit from petrodollars are hardly liberals. They are inherently inveterate conservatives and would never want to change the order that took shape under Yeltsin and strengthened under you for "grabbing" Russia's national wealth and stealing their super profits over the hill. The guilt of the liberals is still scanty. They just also want to fall into the state trough, and they are wiped off. And what is interesting, as soon as one of the liberals gets to the bottom of the trough, he immediately becomes a conservative and growls "don't touch, mine"