The Ministry of Defense ordered a new batch of Su-30CM fighters

In the framework of the state defense order, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation issued to Irkut Corporation (included in the KLA) a contract for the delivery of the next batch of Su-30CM aircraft. This is reported on Online military department.

“The state supply contract was signed by Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov and President of Irkut Corporation PJSC Oleg Demchenko,” the release said.

According to the press service, “in accordance with the terms of the contract, by the end of 2018, more than 30 multipurpose Su-30CM fighters will be transferred to the VCS.” The cost of the transaction is not specified.

Help Ministry of Defense: “The Su-30SM is a highly maneuverable multi-functional fighter for gaining air supremacy of the 4 ++ generation. Fighters have been delivered to the Russian Ministry of Defense since 2012 in the interests of the Aerospace Forces and the Naval Fleet».

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[Runx135]

I went to see what the new S-30 is. And this is old man Su. :)

[DMB_95]

Su-30SM is a good choice for the Army. Super maneuverable and at the same time - double, i.e. and you can fight and train young pilots. It would be good if the SU-35 is not forgotten.

[cniza]

They have excellent cars and one base, they will also serve Russia.

[the most important]

Quote: DMB_95

Su-30SM is a good choice for the Army. Super maneuverable and at the same time - double, i.e. and you can fight and train young pilots. It would be good if the SU-35 is not forgotten.

Airplanes are both good! If not difficult, explain what is their difference? the majority did not serve in fighter aircraft. During my service (30th Air Force of the USSR Air Force) there were none at all ...

[the most important]

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Quote: DMB_95
Su-30SM is a good choice for the Army. Super maneuverable and at the same time - double, i.e. and you can fight and train young pilots. It would be good if the SU-35 is not forgotten.
Airplanes are both good! If not difficult, explain what is their difference? the majority did not serve in fighter aircraft. During my service (30th Air Force of the USSR Air Force) there were none at all ...

And minus is from whom ??? The situation resembles a professor who is not able to answer a student's question. A simple question ... I’m not a cadet of a flight school, so that I could be blamed for the simple question in the exam. Although, this is your right ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: the most important

And minus is from whom ???

From a great aviation specialist who has outplayed War Thunder a bit.

[tracker]

30th double with PGO (front horizontal plumage) differ in gliders avionics is certainly modern, but does not reach the SU-35S, for 35 matches the range is outstanding up to 3800 km, shorter than 30 it is a modified SU-27 glider, and 35 is just the last squeak on both the engine and avionics, and iron, well, except of course the T-50, there are already conceptual differences

[Wolka]

and in addition to the above, if my memory serves me, then the Su-30 SM has engines with a deviating thrust vector, which makes it much more maneuverable with fellow wing ...

[DMB_95]

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Quote: DMB_95

Su-30SM is a good choice for the Army. Super maneuverable and at the same time - double, i.e. and you can fight and train young pilots. It would be good if the SU-35 is not forgotten.

Airplanes are both good! If not difficult, explain what is their difference? the majority did not serve in fighter aircraft. During my service (30th Air Force of the USSR Air Force) there were none at all ...

The difference, for example, is that the SU-30SM is double and the SU-35 is single. Although there are still many differences between them. And I didn’t set you a minus.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: DMB_95

Su-30SM is a good choice for the Army. Super maneuverable and at the same time - double, i.e. and you can fight and train young pilots. It would be good if the SU-35 is not forgotten.

The main purpose of the second crew member is an operator of weapons for attacking ground targets, as well as using as a command vehicle to control tactical units. Such a plane was conceived back in Soviet times. True, by the time the Russian Ministry of Defense began to buy it, the electronics made such progress that the need for a second crew member seemed to disappear, and the hanging aiming container for the Su-30 for full use on the ground is still not ready.

[inkass_98]

You still won’t believe it, but the Su-35 is also based on the Su-27 glider. But the filling is different.

[Rokossovsky]

You won’t believe it, but the Su-35 is also based on the Su-27 glider

I'm afraid you're wrong here. Glider Su-35 significantly redesigned and strengthened, compared with the Su-27. Only the outlines remained similar.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Rokossovsky

You won’t believe it, but the Su-35 is also based on the Su-27 glider

I'm afraid you're wrong here. Glider Su-35 significantly redesigned and strengthened, compared with the Su-27. Only the outlines remained similar.

So in fact the word "is based" in this case and does not mean that everything should be unchanged.

[Sergei1982]

Guys before the pile
Su-35S at the Dzemgi airfield are on alert with missiles RVV-SD

[Runx135]

The title, Thank God, corrected. It was written C-30CM. And the fact that the plane is good is not in any doubt.

[chikenous59]

According to the press service, “in accordance with the terms of the contract, by the end of 2018, the videoconferencing will be transferred to more 30 multipurpose fighter Su-30SM. "

Why is our press service having such a habit? Is it really impossible to say the exact amount, no secret will be revealed

[old pioneer]

Consider that 39!

[chikenous59]

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Consider that 39!

I doubt that 39) They like to embellish the news with us.

[gergi]

Then 38. Again, in doubt? I emphasized here a little, everything as you wanted.

[Michael67]

Why are you figuring everything out - better, worse ...
The whole world recognizes that our DRYES are the best.
And to all, billions are not spent on improvements for flights at subzero temperatures and in the clouds.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: gergi

Then 38. Again, in doubt? I emphasized here a little, everything as you wanted.

Most likely 31

[VP]

It is fundamentally important for you to know - 34 or, say, 35?

[chikenous59]

Quote: VP

It is fundamentally important for you to know - 34 or, say, 35?

Yes, why?

[VP]

Write a request to the MO or to the manufacturer. Fundamentally important questions are specified in this way and not by visitors to Internet resources.
If I need to know something at work, not presumably, but I’m surely contacting (depending on the situation or an official request, or by e-mail, or by phone) who is directly responsible for this question.

[chikenous59]

Quote: VP

Write a request to the MO or to the manufacturer. Fundamentally important questions are specified in this way and not by visitors to Internet resources.
If I need to know something at work, not presumably, but I’m surely contacting (depending on the situation or an official request, or by e-mail, or by phone) who is directly responsible for this question.

Do not be clever) I did not ask you or other users for quantity information.

[VP]

Quote: chikenous59

Do not be smart)

Good )
It just seems to me that this really doesn’t seem significant - there are 3 years ahead (16, 17, 18) and during this time the order can be quite freely adjusted both to plus and minus. And there can be many reasons for this.
For example, thirty are being modernized and the plan will be adjusted to reflect the issue of modernized ones.
Or they will decide to spend more money on "fifty" at the expense of thirty.
Or the release will go ahead and order an additional "bonus"

[chikenous59]

Quote: VP

It just seems to me really not significant

Not critical for me either)
The style itself surprises me.
I understand marketers promise us battery life to (key excuse) 2 times longer.
But the military department may indicate the amount)

[alexmach]

vote for 36

[Dmitry Potapov]

Balm for the soul. But it is necessary to increase production, build new factories so that everyone has enough jobs and aircraft, and not any production outside Russia under licenses! Enough of the fact that AK is stamped by someone who is not lazy, and that surprisingly even the Chinese cannot fuck AK, AK is AK.

[Trigger-Happy]

At the weekend, they talked about the SU-35 in a military reception - the car is excellent, the pilots spoke very well about it !!! But the military knows better what to buy.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Trigger-Happy

At the weekend, they talked about the SU-35 in a military reception - the car is excellent, the pilots spoke very well about it !!! But the military knows better what to buy.

I believe that for the 5th generation of pilots they will be trained along the Yak-130 chain (school) - Su-30SM - SU-35S - T-50.

[alexmach]

But what's the point in such a sequence? to try everything?

[VP]

Su-30 double, i.e. There is an operator who can work accentuated on the ground.
Well, the price difference between 30 and 35, they say that at least twice.

[iliitchitch]

This is to the question "the very little thing for export". And small batches - because there is a constant revision, for example - the SU-34, the SU-34M is already being prepared, Syria has shown sores.

[Roman 57 rus]

Precisely, about small parties, representatives of "Sukhoi" say that the Su-34, in general, each subsequent one comes with even small, but modifications.

[avg-mgn]

In Syria, the plane showed itself well. If necessary, they will make a fine-tuning and will go to the troops a good and not deadly expensive car.

[Pvi1206]

The Russian Air Force appreciates this aircraft. So there is a reason.
Therefore, they decided to buy a new considerable batch.
And the troops and industry are good.
Potential foreign customers will also pay attention to this fact ...

[Spartanez300]

Our factory workers order the country additional advanced fighters, all in chocolate.

[tomket]

Of the entire Su-27 family, the Su-30SM is perhaps the most developed, versatile and combat-ready. He will be equally good both in strikes against ground targets and in a battle with Raptors. By the way, it was his Indian version that conducted training battles with the F-22, according to the results of which the opponents turned out to be worthy of each other, despite the apparent difference in generations.

[gergi]

We do not need to be measured with a pin.do.stan who is longer. The principles we have are different, we have cheaper and more efficient, they are more expensive and beautiful. At the merchants, the main wrapper is to suck the suckers more expensive. SU-30 is an excellent aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

Do Su 30cm engines have the same engines as Su-35s? Do they have supersonic afterburner?

[Evgesh91]

for which I really like him, this is an additional plumage front, well, sooooo beautiful! and here I am also interested in the fundamental difference between him and 35, I join the most important

[VP]

Big difference. Starting from the price. Continuing with the fact that the Su-30 is double. And ending with the engines - at thirty there is a modification of the 31st engine, at the thirty-fifth 41st. Well, the differences in avionics.

[Stas157]

Quote: VP

Big difference. Starting from the price.

And the possibilities are about the same! The Su-35 sees a little further, flies a little faster, but the tasks are the same, therefore they order the Su-30 much more than the Su35. The Su-30 has the best price / performance ratio.

[VP]

Quote: Stas157

The Su-30 has the best price / performance ratio.

Perhaps the best.
But sometimes you need the best efficiency and not the best ratio.
Therefore, in addition to the already delivered 48 thirty-fifths, in December 50 more aircraft were ordered with a delivery time until 2020
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2016/01/11/623419-50-istrebitelei-su-


35

[Stas157]

Quote: VP

But sometimes you need the best efficiency and not the best ratio.

Absolutely agree. You need to have both those and those planes! So the Russian Defense Ministry also believes.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Runx135

I went to see what the new S-30 is. And this is old man Su

The SU-30cm is an excellent aircraft. We certainly would like all the old planes to be replaced with the SU-35 and PAK-FA, but the trick is that the SU-35 and PAK-FA are expensive aircraft and their efficiency is often excessive.
Even the Americans printing money cannot afford to replace all their old combat aircraft with the F-22.

[abc_alex]

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Airplanes are both good! If not difficult, explain what is their difference? the majority did not serve in fighter aircraft. During my service (30th Air Force of the USSR Air Force) there were none at all ...

The difference is that this is the development of different "branches" of the original Su-27.
Initially, there are 4 of them.
Base Su-27 - the T-10 family.
"Sparka" Su-27UB - T-10U.
Deck Su-27K - T-12.
Multipurpose Su-27IB - T-10V.

Depending on who got these four models for modernization, today they are the Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35.
Su-30 is a modernized in Irkutsk T-10U (T-10U2).
Su-35 is a direct development by the head office of the Sukhoi (Poghosyan) Su-27 (T-10) design bureau through the Su-27M project.

Of the technical differences, the main focus of avionics at different ranges is probably the main thing. The Su-30 declared the detection range of the main targets 120-140 km. The Su-35 claimed 350-400 km.

[the most important]

Thanks! My question was asked for those who only understand this issue. About two years ago, a "liberal" newspaper published a long article about these two planes. They compared everything and concluded: 30 is just a miracle !!!, 35 is a completely unusable plane and with an exorbitant price. 35 lobbies Poghosyan and spits on the opinions of the military and destroys the Su-30, while the military prefer 30. Moreover, the plant producing 30-ku is not included in the SU holding. Considering that it is not worth believing what is written in the newspaper, I also asked the opinions of knowledgeable people.

[alex80]

Thus, today it is contracted and delivered to the troops:
Su-30SM - 90 aircraft (contract for 60 + contract for 30)
Su-35S - 96 aircraft (2 contracts of 48, although the second one seems to have not been concluded yet)
Total in the near future 200 modern heavy fighters, not counting those undergoing the modernization of the MIG-31.

[VP]

Have time. In December.

[alexmach]

I thought something that 30s more.

[kirieeleyson]

Eh was once a real special in Sushki, especially the 30th. Hmm, the composition of the commentators has completely changed))

[VohaAhov]

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Quote: VP

It is fundamentally important for you to know - 34 or, say, 35?

Yes, why?

I heard somewhere that the number of aircraft ordered is 36 units, i.e. three full squadrons, or one fighter regiment of three squadrons.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: VohaAhov

I heard somewhere that the number of aircraft ordered is 36 units, i.e. three full squadrons, or one fighter regiment of three squadrons.

36. Moreover, 28 for the Air Force and 8 for the Navy. http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1828574.html

[hartlend]

The main thing is that rearmament is in progress, money is being allocated. It's good.

[Zomanus]

Good news. You need to understand that these planes will replace the retiring.
For we still have technology in the bulk of its times as a Union.
And this is sickly so years old to her ...