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Why is it that the Dutch are so concerned about the fate of Ukraine?

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In Holland, a referendum will be held on the attitude of the subjects of the kingdom to the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU.


I really want to understand who and why needed this referendum, if all 28 EU member states, including the Netherlands, have already ratified this agreement?

Why is it that for the seemingly insignificant reason, like Ukraine, the Dutch decided to hold the second history country plebiscite? They are not Swiss, who often joke to themselves that their favorite thing is to vote for something.

Consider two versions that are not only not contradict each other, but also closely interrelated.

So, the first and well-known version is that the referendum was initiated by Euro-skeptics opposing the arbitrariness of the European bureaucrats and the EU as a whole.

By itself, Ukraine does not particularly care about them, it is important for them to show the “fuckin 'mother” to officials from Brussels, who, in their opinion, have usurped all power in the European Union.

Local activists prepared an e-petition, under which more than 450 thousands of people signed up quite quickly. In order for the referendum to take place, it is necessary to collect at least 300 thousands of signatures.

Until recently, the Western press either silenced the very fact of the plebiscite, or covered this event in the spirit that it was not necessary to go to it.

In general, nothing foreshadowed trouble for the Ukrainian European integrators, if 3 March 2016 of the year, like a bolt from the blue, were not heard by the well-known statement of the head of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker: 20 years, as well as a member of NATO. "

It became obvious to everyone that Ukraine was rudely and unceremoniously “drained”. At the same time, the European media began to vigorously exaggerate the topic of the referendum, which, of course, significantly increased the turnout of its potential participants.

Let me remind you that according to the legislation of the Netherlands, a plebiscite can be considered valid if at least 30 percent of voters took part in it.

So, the quorum is reached, the result is known. According to all opinion polls, the Dutch are guaranteed to bury the great Ukrainian dream of 6 on April 2016.

The second version is that Europe in the person of Angela Merkel decided in such an elegant way to escape from the Ukrainian trap, into which she rashly pleased her thanks to the titanic efforts of Washington. Then it will be possible to explain to the Americans that the democratic choice of voters must be respected.

Like, we are not to blame, the people decided everything for us!
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 6 2016 09: 56
    +7
    "According to all opinion polls, the Dutch are guaranteed to bury the great Ukrainian dream on April 6, 2016."

    And will it affect something? request This is a "decorative" democracy.
    1. Vend
      Vend April 6 2016 09: 59
      +18
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "According to all opinion polls, the Dutch are guaranteed to bury the great Ukrainian dream on April 6, 2016."

      And will it affect something? request This is a "decorative" democracy.

      It is not yet known whether they will be buried. They can make the same rigging as with the Scottish referendum.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 6 2016 10: 02
        +6
        Quote: Wend
        They can make the same rigging as with the Scottish referendum.

        With a high probability. yes
        1. WKS
          WKS April 6 2016 10: 31
          +11
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: Wend
          They can make the same rigging as with the Scottish referendum.

          With a high probability. yes

          In addition, almost half of Holland’s voters have no idea that some kind of referendum will be held today, while the other half don’t even know exactly where this Ukraina is.
      2. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall April 6 2016 10: 03
        +5
        Or maybe it will all end with Ukraine’s accession not to the EU, but to the Netherlands.
        1. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 April 6 2016 10: 22
          +3
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Or maybe it will all end with Ukraine’s accession not to the EU, but to the Netherlands.

          But it would be just wonderful. The Dutch may have repaid their debts for their province. And the experience in managing colonies has been accumulated over hundreds of years. And they don’t need to give them discounts, at Euro prices, without any discounts. Voila! Almost alone ++++!
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets April 6 2016 10: 24
            +4
            Quote: Kuzyakin15
            And the experience in managing colonies has been accumulated over hundreds of years.

            Do you mean Slave Coast? smile
          2. Max repp
            Max repp April 6 2016 10: 27
            +3
            Yeah, especially Leopold 2 in Congo
            1. Weyland
              Weyland April 6 2016 21: 47
              0
              Leopold is Belgium (although, of course, the closest relatives). But South Africa - it's the Dutch!
              The Dutch East India Company had a profit of 600%. Do you know why? 90% of the profits came from piracy!
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        2. tol100v
          tol100v April 6 2016 10: 42
          0
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Or maybe it will all end with Ukraine’s accession not to the EU, but to the Netherlands.

          To create new pearls you need to smoke a lot!
          1. tiredwithall
            tiredwithall April 6 2016 11: 40
            +2
            Smoking harms your and our health. Ministry of Health
        3. avt
          avt April 6 2016 11: 06
          -1
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Or maybe it will all end with Ukraine’s accession not to the EU, but to the Netherlands.

          "Rear-wheel drive" and stoned?wassat
      3. Pereira
        Pereira April 6 2016 11: 03
        +2
        Let's wait until tomorrow, we'll see.
      4. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol April 6 2016 12: 14
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And will it affect something? request This is a "decorative" democracy.

        Very influential ...

        - Suppose most of the Dutch people on April 6 vote against ratification of the agreement. What's next? The referendum is advisory (it’s like the mantra is always repeated, say, by Ukrainian officials) and is non-binding. For example, I heard that some members of the D66 party (the 66 Democrats party has 12 seats in parliament) called for ignoring the results of the referendum in case the majority vote against it, and ratifying the Ukraine-EU Agreement anyway.

        Here is what the Dutch MP, HARRY VAN BOMMEL, answered to the question:

        - It's impossible. Most parliamentarians, including the Labor Party (one of the two ruling parties in the coalition), have already said that if opponents of the agreement win, MPs will demand that the government stop the ratification process. Yes, both houses approved the treaty, but the ratification process was stopped. Accordingly, the agreement cannot enter into force if the Netherlands does not ratify it. All EU members must complete the ratification and verification process.

        Here is the official conclusion of the legal service of the European Parliament, which says: “If the procedure for ratifying the“ mixed agreement ”(and the agreement with Ukraine refers specifically to the“ mixed ”), temporarily implemented or not, will not succeed in one or more states— EU member, the entire agreement cannot enter into force. ” This means that neither the agreement as a whole, nor any part of it has been accepted! This is not a cafeteria where you can take one dish and put the other aside - this is not the case.

        Accordingly, if the Netherlands does not complete ratification of the agreement, it will not formally enter into force.


        http://www.2000.ua/mnenija/intervyu/gollandskij-deputatbolshinstvo-na-referendum
        e-skazhut-net-soglasheniju-s-ukrainoj.htm
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 6 2016 10: 02
      +19
      Quote: Vladimirets
      And will it affect something?

      Actually, according to the rules, if at least one of the EU countries is against, then there will be no visa-free regime, which is what they actually dreamed about on the Maidan. There are still visas, and their issuance is even tightened. So this is really a chance for the EU to beautifully merge Ukraine. Those. they will still use it to the fullest - buy land. the remaining enterprises, but here in Europe - figurines.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN April 6 2016 10: 05
        +2
        I do not know such a country Ukraine!
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 6 2016 10: 09
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Actually, according to the rules, if at least one of the EU countries is against, then there will be no visa-free regime, which is what they actually dreamed about on the Maidan.

        Elena, this referendum is "consultative", i.e. simply recommending for his government, he can very easily be hammered by the ruling circles with proper pressure from the outside. yes
        1. dauria
          dauria April 6 2016 10: 36
          +1
          it can be very easily beaten by the ruling circles with due pressure from the side.


          With good "pressure" everything is possible. smile Especially it is necessary throughout the EU, and the Netherlands too. (Duty-free market)
          But the people there are used to being allowed to tweet. Even the "severe suffering of chickens laughing at the Ukrainian poultry farms "they are outraged. They can be recalled at the elections. So it is possible to" score ", but it is not" very easy ".

          It seems to me that they will "take note of it", and the people will calm down, explain, they say, we will trade, and visas "then, perhaps, we need to look, someday, if we decide ... and the opinion of the people necessarily take into account "
          1. andr327
            andr327 April 6 2016 14: 19
            +1
            I once said that this referendum is a good (only) move by Westerners to try to get out of shit where America drove them.
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik April 6 2016 11: 05
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          just recommending for his government, it can be very easily beaten by the ruling circles with due pressure from

          You can, of course, score, but you can use it on the contrary. This is how the EU decides (or states).
        3. your1970
          your1970 April 6 2016 12: 35
          0
          there are other approaches — the parties will have to get out very much - why did they drag this suitcase without a handle to Europe / Holland ...
      3. lexxxus
        lexxxus April 6 2016 10: 15
        +11
        Judging by the reports on the network: "People who have come to leave their vote are trying to hide their faces. Apparently, they fear revenge from Ukrainian radicals ..."

        Moreover, who actually shot down flight MH17, they probably guess.
      4. gergi
        gergi April 6 2016 11: 02
        +2
        Beautifully merge Ukraine? Rather, gracefully hang on our neck the ruin that remained of Ukraine through their efforts. Nooo, in Europe, so in Europe. Let them themselves now this shitty Svidomo consume. And on zdorovichko.
    3. DMB_95
      DMB_95 April 6 2016 10: 05
      +8
      No, well, how can the descendants of ancient ukrov, inventors of the wheel, the Black Sea and the Internet - not to let Euro Sortir ?!
    4. Sharapov
      Sharapov April 6 2016 10: 18
      +2
      I agree, because this plebescid is an analogue of our opinion poll and its result has no legal force. As they decide overseas, so be it.
      I just don’t understand, in the article does the author seriously take this event as historical, or just fool around?
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 6 2016 12: 37
        -1
        read the post a little higher, about the seriousness, the parties have a serious mover there, so it’s more difficult just to cast votes
    5. Samen
      Samen April 6 2016 10: 24
      +4
      The second version is that Europe in the person of Angela Merkel decided in such an elegant way to break out of the Ukrainian trap

      Interesting perspective!
      Holland - the savior of a German official ?! In geyrop, everything is through w ..., however.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser April 6 2016 10: 46
        0
        Quote: Semen
        Holland - savior of a German official

        Orange Cookies - Orange Revolution. Very symbolic.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser April 6 2016 10: 46
        0
        Quote: Semen
        Holland - savior of a German official

        Orange Cookies - Orange Revolution. Very symbolic.
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    7. siberalt
      siberalt April 6 2016 10: 29
      +1
      It seems that the Dutch will bury the Ukrainian dream in the heads of the Ukrainians themselves. Especially after the murderous New York Times article that called Ukraine "a swamp of corruption." Today will begin laughing
    8. Wolverine
      Wolverine April 6 2016 10: 29
      0
      That decorative is understandable, but on the other hand, the public opinion is becoming known not only in Holland but throughout the European Union. Ordinary citizens will draw conclusions, there are not so many who are quite stubborn, most normal people ...
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  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 6 2016 09: 58
    +4
    But in the end, this referendum does not affect ANYTHING? Or I don’t understand something!
  3. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 April 6 2016 10: 01
    +1
    Still, let's not listen to sociologists (just remember the home-grown Levada - how much can you trust the results of their polls?). Better to wait for the official results. Otherwise, in all the media, this referendum is so actively covered, as if we were voting for something.
  4. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 6 2016 10: 06
    +6
    Europeans jump unambiguously. Eurosceptics took part here, yes, but the governments of leading European countries are hardly dreaming of putting another 40 million people on their necks and feeding them with bad loans. In addition, they have already received the Ukrainian market. Everything turns out smoothly - there are incomes, but no expenses.
    Dutch propaganda video (no translation needed):
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall April 6 2016 12: 23
      +4
      Lenya Brezhnev and Honecker are resting.
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  5. akudr48
    akudr48 April 6 2016 10: 06
    -6
    Again we were worried about Europe, the Dutch feel sorry for the poor, they will have to think about UKR.A.H.

    It’s high time to think about yourself in Russia, otherwise even the National Guard had to be created for those who think differently.
    1. evgenm55
      evgenm55 April 6 2016 10: 37
      +4
      I don’t think that it was so easy to inflate services and systems - there used to be a huge Union and all these services were just in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It’s just that everything is back to square one. As many as 60 percent are serving, and the rest are cabinet. I think everything is right.
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 6 2016 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: akudr48
      and even the National Guard had to be created for those who think not so.

      It is not good to write comments without reading the question. Organizational reform of the Internal Troops and the Ministry of Internal Affairs is underway. Nothing new, in fact, has been created.

      Although ... some organisms "who think wrong" would not hurt to spend a year or two in one of the health camps in Mordovia.
    3. gergi
      gergi April 6 2016 15: 57
      +1
      By all means! Personally for you! National Guard! You don’t think so, but what? Alternatively, that is an ass, not even ours, but Mr. Obama. Here the National Guard will correct you gently, so as not to shit past the shock, as you like. Not in the stable, where you have the place. Kindly correspond.
  6. Abbra
    Abbra April 6 2016 10: 06
    +4
    In my opinion, everything is very simple. I am leaning towards the second version. With such a pivotal democratic focus, the EU wants to completely abandon Ukraine. For she already fucked everyone there ...
    1. DMB_95
      DMB_95 April 6 2016 10: 16
      +1
      Seriously, yes, I agree. In the current realities of the EU, such a clamp is not needed. Problems and so full. A democratic "excuse" will not hurt.
  7. Phosgene
    Phosgene April 6 2016 10: 10
    +3
    It's all about money, no one wants to feed tens of millions at their own expense. Now the EU does not need labor, they don’t know what to do with millions of hungry and frostbitten Arabs who are clearly not going to comply with the laws of their host countries.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 6 2016 10: 11
    +1
    Today in "Vesti 24" I have already heard calls from the Dutch to support Ukraine, because it is so correct, and most importantly, it resists Russian aggression. Honestly, it's even funny to hear that. Have they still not understood who is who? If you do not understand it means something with their brains, but most likely they are stoned. And how in the "hour of silence" Ukrainian flags flutter on the Dutch square.
  9. V.ic
    V.ic April 6 2016 10: 11
    +3
    The USSR also held a referendum on its preservation. And the result? It is still visible in the form of his "remnants".
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 6 2016 10: 13
    +1
    Europe needed a reason to merge Ukraine and at the same time justify itself to the United States.
    And they came up with such a reason ...
  11. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 April 6 2016 10: 18
    +3
    So, the quorum is reached, the result is known. According to all opinion polls, the Dutch are guaranteed to bury the great Ukrainian dream of 6 on April 2016.

    Do not run ahead of the engine ....
    The results of the referendum (if it does take place) can be corrected in the "right" direction ...
  12. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 6 2016 10: 24
    0
    Gee..A question of UA participation in NATO must be resolved by referendum in Albania. Member ...

    (ps. It would be interesting to see how the nerds and gops in embroidered shirts will be tying their booklets to Gypsies in Tirana)
  13. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist April 6 2016 10: 30
    +1
    Not a curtain yet! Let's take a look! A little patience and ....
    ... we'll see "who and why" !!!
  14. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll April 6 2016 10: 32
    0
    According to recent polls, only a little over a third of the Dutch are against.
    By the way, it’s not funny, but if Ukraine is rolled with the EU, then for it it will be only a plus. If all this svidomu husk about Europe is discarded, from an economic point of view, without the EU, Ukraine will have at least some chance to crawl to the cemetery without outside help.
  15. Kibl
    Kibl April 6 2016 10: 32
    +1
    Even if the Dutch oppose the association of Ukraine in the EU, they will still rig the vote. If the US president is cheating, then what can we say about all kinds of referenda there! The same thing happened in Latvia at the referendum on the country's accession to the EU. Even on the day of the referendum, when any advertising is banned, President Freiberga herself at the polling station called on the population to join the EU! She is such a Western democracy!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 6 2016 11: 56
      -2
      Quote: KIBL
      , still rig the vote.

      why such difficulties? And who needs it?
  16. el-nino
    el-nino April 6 2016 10: 36
    +1
    The referendum doesn’t really affect anything. The association agreement has already been foiled. Moreover, the Ukrainian authorities, who
    1. fiercely failed to fulfill anti-corruption conditions wassat
    2. thwarted the execution of the Minsk process without ending the war in the east of the country negative
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  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 6 2016 10: 56
    +1
    Is it really not clear that the EU is simply looking for an excuse to "pull its leg" out of the trap called Maidania. If they wanted to, they would have driven this referendum with legal squiggles under the plinth, no one would have twitched.
  19. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 6 2016 10: 57
    0
    Probably Holland was for Ukrainians some beautiful ideal country ---- with its beautiful Dutch flowers: roses, orchids, tulips. Also other plants and their derivatives brought from distant lands. Also, eroticism and debauchery. And the Dutch ---referendum!
  20. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 6 2016 11: 07
    +3
    Would it be better if they were concerned about the fate of the relatives of compatriots who died in the MH 17 disaster ?! And at the same time, how do the murderers of the Dutch live in the skies over the Donbass: "Do you want bandits and murderers to take a break from their" war "bloody deeds and the bodies of their victims in prosperous Europe as a resort? we will give "pocket money"! only we will collect the "childlessness tax" from the relatives of your atrocities (you killed their children!) and we will bring you on a silver platter with a blue-pink border right after the association, and even kiss your brotherly, VZASOS !!!
  21. wandlitz
    wandlitz April 6 2016 11: 08
    0
    Merkel decided in such an elegant way to break out of the Ukrainian trap, which she recklessly landed in thanks to the titanic efforts of Washington. So, the quorum is reached, the result is known.
    And the main thing is that "the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe." Plus, it was done by someone else's hands, Merkel has nothing to do with it.
  22. iliya87
    iliya87 April 6 2016 11: 11
    +3
    The Netherlands did not ratify the agreement, Google author to help
  23. semuil
    semuil April 6 2016 11: 42
    0
    Let them think carefully, otherwise you will have to smoke dill instead of your own grass.
  24. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov April 6 2016 11: 50
    +1
    Holland is not Hohland!
  25. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg April 6 2016 12: 01
    0
    What the heck! Yes, finally merge in the ecstasy of Ukraine and Geyropa! An excellent symbiosis will turn out, however, in which an influx of migrants from the Middle East will seem like flowers!
  26. Gunther
    Gunther April 6 2016 12: 06
    +1
    As the Dutch vote for me, it’s obvious - they’ll give Nezalezhnaya a ride.
    Why, there is a third version, thus showing the fig to the top of the European Union, their dissatisfaction with the policies of European officials.
  27. engineer74
    engineer74 April 6 2016 12: 15
    0
    There are two countries: the Netherlands, where football and tulips, and the Netherlands, where dope and p ... um ... alternatively oriented individuals!
    I wonder which one of them holds the referendum? smile
  28. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 6 2016 12: 55
    0
    Mark Rutte, PM Netherlands:
    "We must help Ukraine develop a society with the rule of law and democracy. The vote" for "was supported by both the Jewish minority and the LGBT community, so I urge the Netherlands to come and vote" for "

    No comments.
  29. Al1977
    Al1977 April 6 2016 14: 04
    0
    But didn’t Russia try to draw Ukraine into all its integration projects? Didn’t they feed Yanukovych and Azarov, didn’t they invest the grandmother there? But what about the three billion that we owe?
    And don't they "smear" anyone who is against Moscow in Ukraine and idolizes anyone, even a scumbag, but who is for Russia.
    It looks like the wife left her husband, and now call her a prostitute and say how unlucky the new husband is, the stupid man they say, tormented her .. And he expects her to return.
  30. dvg1959
    dvg1959 April 6 2016 17: 39
    0
    "Europe is trying to escape the Ukrainian trap in such an elegant way, into which it has recklessly fell thanks to the titanic efforts of Washington. It will be possible to explain later to the Americans that the democratic choice of voters must be respected."
    I support this conclusion.
    But Europeans are in for great shocks, the older brother from Washington will provide them.
  31. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev April 6 2016 19: 03
    0
    It would be nice for the Dutch demarche to succeed. Let it be so.