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Russian Aerospace Forces used Ka-52 Alligator helicopters in Syria

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For the first time in Syria, the combat use of Russian Ka-52 "Alligator" helicopters was observed. We are talking about helicopters that were delivered to the SAR about two weeks ago. If you believe the information sources, then these rotary-wing machines operating in the Syrian Arab Republic, are now three.


Russian Aerospace Forces used Ka-52 Alligator helicopters in Syria


The Ka-52 helicopters were deployed to support the Syrian government army from the air in the area of ​​the settlements of Palmyra and El Qaryatane. Christian El Qaryatayn freed from militants LIH on the eve.



It is reported that this video was made precisely in the area of ​​El-Karyatayn, held igilovtsami from August last year.

Earlier there was information that Russian helicopters Mi-28H were also used in Syria, which provided assistance to Syrian troops in the Palmyra region.

Ka-52 helicopter gunships of the Russian Aerospace Forces launched a series of strikes against the accumulation of manpower of ISIS militants and their off-road vehicles equipped with heavy machine guns and anti-aircraft installations.

The helicopter is armed with air-to-ground and air-to-air guided missiles. In addition, the Ka-52 uses unguided rockets and small arms and cannon weapons.
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  1. RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette April 4 2016 07: 09
    +76
    That's right, testing and running in a real battle requires everything from uniforms to alligators!
    1. just exp
      just exp April 4 2016 07: 13
      +16
      there it seems that even the Iskander was tested, but as for me, I would have sent the armature there, just a couple of pieces for testing, so that I could identify all the flaws.
      what do you have to immediately warn the media that the car is experimental, and they are not afraid to lose it, because it was designed for this.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf April 4 2016 07: 21
        +65
        Quote: just EXPL
        . . . but as for me, I’d send the armature there, just a couple of pieces for testing, so that I could reveal all the flaws.
        what do you have to immediately warn the media that the car is experimental, and they are not afraid to lose it, because it was designed for this.


        Yeah, classified developments and not afraid to lose. The project has not yet reached the final stage of testing, while it is being tested. . . in vitro, and you IMMEDIATELY send all Secret technologies to Syria. By the way, it is not necessary to carry Armata somewhere, you can install and try individual elements in combat conditions. . . and not stand out.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 4 2016 07: 40
          +20
          Quote: RussianRoulette
          That's right, testing and running in a real battle requires everything from uniforms to alligators!


          This is true, but many people (USA) who want to get samples need a reasonable approach.
          1. just exp
            just exp April 4 2016 08: 25
            +2
            and how will they receive them? to send American special forces so that they would take out the damaged armature in a backpack from the territory controlled by Assad?
            1. vic58
              vic58 April 4 2016 09: 30
              +5
              Laughing! These "clever men" for the sake of cutting the budget, will draw "a Russian tank army raping the poor peace-bearded inhabitants"! hi
              1. just exp
                just exp April 4 2016 13: 20
                0
                in more detail pzhlst.
                what clever men, what a cut budget and so on.
                otherwise you should read it, then our officials should start an information campaign against Russia. which seems not only illogical, but also impossible.
          2. ilyinval61
            ilyinval61 April 4 2016 09: 16
            +2
            Russia signed the first contracts for the export of Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopters, the head of the Rosoboronexport delegation at the Le Bourget air show Sergey Kornev told reporters on Thursday. It is not specified with what countries and how much contracts are concluded. Here are the samples !!!!
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel April 4 2016 10: 59
              +7
              To Egypt. It is necessary to fill the hangars of the Mistrals with the appropriate equipment.
        2. just exp
          just exp April 4 2016 08: 25
          +2
          to be afraid of losing means that the BM can be shot down, and not that it will be left in the enemy’s territory, which will tow it to the states, would you at least read some news about Syria, Assad is there, the Ishilov’s run away, and even if the Ishilov’s and beat the car ( but for this you need to send samples there in order to see how they behave and how they will fight with them, until only mines come to mind) they, with all desire, will not be able to tow anything and nothing, well, they can’t do it at all.
        3. ML-334
          ML-334 April 4 2016 08: 30
          +1
          I heard that Damansky was razed to the ground because of an experienced tank.
          1. pilot8878
            pilot8878 April 4 2016 09: 22
            +20
            Quote: ML-334
            I heard that Damansky was razed to the ground because of an experienced tank.

            "Don't read newspapers in the morning." Ask about the question before talking nonsense. The T-62 was lost. But not an experienced one, but just a new, just put into service, a tank. And not on the island itself, but on the ice of the river. To prevent the Maoists from getting it, it was fired upon by artillery, the ice broke, the car drowned. But later the Chinese got it anyway. For some reason, the picture cannot be inserted. You can independently search for an image of the T-62 in the Beijing Museum.
            1. cap
              cap April 4 2016 10: 57
              +4
              Quote: pilot8878

              "Don't read newspapers in the morning." Ask about the question before talking nonsense. The T-62 was lost.


              He was friends with the doctor of the unit, who was a medical instructor in Damansky.
              He was awarded for the Damansky medal - "For Courage" (this is in the border troops!). Well, I was going to the Academy! (Residency) (with the medal "For Courage" they took without an exam!)

              A characteristic was naturally needed. And it is endorsed by the Special Department (well, this is in shaggy years).

              So this "tovarisch" -captain, maybe out of envy or just out of service zeal, just got it out with questions (in his office) "Well, what was he talking about Damansky?"

              -Yes, we are Comrade Captain, perhaps in the service, and about women, well, when we drink ... but nothing about Damansky .... " laughing

              Received. I don’t know if I’m alive now.
              That something like this.
              But you don’t need to be afraid, because it’s more expensive for yourself.
            2. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel April 4 2016 11: 00
              0
              "Eh, youth!" +
            3. yehat
              yehat April 4 2016 21: 13
              0
              t62 was hit by stupidity - they put it on the side of the Chinese for a demonstration like "this is what we are"
              in general, did stupid things at first, did not believe that the Chinese would attack
          2. 16112014nk
            16112014nk April 4 2016 16: 02
            +5
            Here is this Daman island. True, it is now said that the Chinese fell asleep on the channel for their part, that is, in the picture on the left, and now there are no islands.
          3. 16112014nk
            16112014nk April 4 2016 16: 09
            +6
            And here is the very T-62 tank. During the battle he was hit from an RPG into a caterpillar and lost speed. The crew left the tank. So that the Chinese did not get the tank, they tried to destroy it with artillery, but it fell through the ice. Subsequently, the Chinese got it (in 1969) and it is now in the Beijing Museum.
        4. vic58
          vic58 April 4 2016 09: 22
          +2
          This is the test! The Yankees sold anti-tank systems of the "moderate" opposition ... plus Turkey is not far off laughing
      2. qarzu
        qarzu April 4 2016 09: 17
        +3
        and crew life is that cannon fodder?
      3. Sergey Polt
        Sergey Polt April 4 2016 13: 50
        0
        Yes, it will take more than one month to study there ...
      4. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig April 4 2016 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: just explo
        so I would send the armature there, just a couple of pieces for testing, so that all the flaws would be revealed.

        How do we know what actually was and is there? Maybe the "Armata" drives at night, or maybe the T-50 was marked!
      5. Lily
        Lily April 4 2016 19: 39
        0
        And the crew ?! What to do with the crew ?!
      6. yehat
        yehat April 4 2016 21: 10
        0
        Why send armature?
        who will steer it ???
        we refused ground operations, and the Syrians could at least cope with the T72 and T90
        and then there are enough problems
      7. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 April 5 2016 09: 54
        0
        I would not declassify Armata for the gang of bandits
    2. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 4 2016 07: 15
      +24
      Seriously took up the development, direct combat use. . . They are working on cooperation with the Regular Army. All communications, surveillance, guidance. . . coordination. Experience is not replaceable and colossal, for a minimum investment.
      1. Foresterer
        Foresterer April 4 2016 07: 21
        +10
        No training ground, no exercises of real military operations can replace!
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 April 4 2016 11: 40
        +1
        I agree, the main thing is not to lose cars and crews ... pah, pah, pah. At the cottage guys!
    3. Oleneboy_
      Oleneboy_ April 4 2016 07: 20
      +6
      I agree. It is necessary to experience everything that is possible.
      1. Igor F.
        Igor F. April 4 2016 08: 37
        +2
        And in a combat situation! To identify those places where it was possible to improve and fix something ..
    4. Blondy
      Blondy April 4 2016 07: 33
      +21
      I'm bastard with these Russians, this is the withdrawal of troops with rotation! Kuzhugetych, haven’t there been a break-in there yet, a couple of pieces are not weak?
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris April 4 2016 07: 45
        +8
        Our foreign policy reminds me of the times of "Mr. NO" - that was the name of A. Gromyko in the West .. He turned them around as he wanted ..
        Quote: Blondy
        I'm bastard with these Russians, this is the withdrawal of troops with rotation! Kuzhugetych, haven’t there been a break-in there yet, a couple of pieces are not weak?
      2. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 April 4 2016 08: 12
        +33
        Quote: Blondy
        this is the withdrawal of troops
    5. shark913
      shark913 April 4 2016 08: 48
      +2
      So it’s also a good advertisement, now it’s the turn of them!
    6. Trotil42
      Trotil42 April 4 2016 10: 28
      +4
      What? Mentally it turned out ... rheumatism at "friends" we will treat ... though I'm afraid hemorrhoids will appear ... something like that ..
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka April 4 2016 19: 53
        +1
        What? Mentally it turned out ... rheumatism at "friends" we will treat ... though I'm afraid hemorrhoids will appear ... something like that ..

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        The best remedy for the disease "neither to see it for yourself, nor to show it to others" is not necessary to be afraid - candles "Caliber", act softly and soothingly (forever), relieve the most acute pain below and headache above! The pain goes away along with those parts of the body where it hurts! "Caliber" - instant delivery! wassat
    7. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 April 5 2016 09: 52
      0
      Forward Ka-52, and Mi-28, put more fear on the barmaley
  2. Bacha
    Bacha April 4 2016 07: 12
    +5
    Aviation on large objects has worked, now more jewelry work has gone, and at the same time we are rolling machines on combat use.
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 April 4 2016 14: 44
      0
      Quote: Bacha
      Aviation on large objects has worked, now more jewelry work has gone, and at the same time we are rolling machines on combat use.

      Everything is wonderful with aviation. I just noticed how "ushatan" the tanks of the SAA were. The video shows how they manually send a shell into the barrel, but the main load is on the ground troops. It would be necessary to throw more BTTs on them, one battalion on the T-90 will not win the war.
  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 4 2016 07: 13
    +8
    Well, we are waiting for new contracts for "Alligator"!
  4. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 4 2016 07: 13
    +7
    Long awaited news, we will wait for the evaluation of the results from our "partners". If they are silent, then it is effective.
    1. Lyton
      Lyton April 4 2016 07: 50
      +2
      Judging by the fact that many Western media wrote about our dead spotter, they closely monitor and warm their ears for the participation of our military in this war, collect data, so to speak.
  5. tootsy
    tootsy April 4 2016 07: 13
    +6
    The territory of Syria is a large training ground for improving combat skills. And the aviation and navy have shown to the amers in real conditions that it’s better not to go to us.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 April 4 2016 07: 20
      +14
      Quote: stopka
      The territory of Syria is a large training ground for improving combat skills. And the aviation and navy have shown to the amers in real conditions that it’s better not to go to us.

      The United States created this training ground, and now it works for Russia.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 4 2016 07: 21
    +15
    Good luck to our pilots! Their work is already associated with a specific risk - they are within the reach of various small-caliber ZSUs and MANPADS. Apparently, the time has come to change the "sledgehammer" to a scalpel. Many people compare "Apache" with "Alligator", they say, our heavy. Well, he's STRONGLY armored. Not Kevlar mats. Once again courage and good luck to our pilots, trouble-free operation of equipment and successful demonstration of the advantages of our new helicopters. If ours work successfully, a great future awaits a coaxial scheme! Russia is the only country in the world building such helicopters in series.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 April 4 2016 09: 09
      +1
      Hi!! Qashqa is the Navy's privilege. When Peter went on a long campaign, one feature of foreign sites on warships became clear. Our Kashka not everywhere can sit on the helicopter deck. Too heavy car. And the Fleet never ordered fly swatters. This is our fleet. Now the Ground Forces have a coaxial machine. We have something to be proud of.
      1. dauria
        dauria April 4 2016 10: 55
        -1
        Now the Ground Forces have a coaxial machine. We have something to be proud of.


        It’s not clear why in the army aviation there are two motley vehicles of the same purpose and almost identical characteristics (Mi-28 and Ka-52)? So that everyone from the factories, repairmen, suppliers, service staff, flight schools was not bored? They would throw a coin, since it is impossible to choose wisely.
        The question is too serious, do not yell here about "healthy" competition. It is needed before serial production, and only (and preferably on paper)

        Even for different purposes, the Mi-8MT and Mi-24, and even then quite decently "got along" in mixed squadrons for some replaceability of at least individual units and retraining of crews.
        1. kamski
          kamski April 4 2016 19: 13
          0
          KAMov specialized for the Navy, MIL for the ground forces is in the USSR And why everything was mixed incomprehensibly
        2. shifro
          shifro April 5 2016 09: 59
          +1
          How many times has this topic been raised in the circles of pilots? I will give a few examples during the discussion in Grozny and in the regular combat regiment (pilots from Torzhok, flying at 50 and 28, also took part).
          The majority of votes were cast by the Mi-28 - the main reason was the crew of 2 people. (when conducting local operations - an extra pair of eyes is very important, again, firing). The downside of the Mi-28 is that it's a small cabin (after the Mi-24) - when the bulletproof glass is next to your head, the first sensations are unpleasant (imaginary claustraphobia). The second is NV over the cabin (door) itself - and the head dreamed from shoulders. And the habit of the standard - a crew of 2 people. The Ka-50 is good for fighting a "mass" enemy, when it is not particularly burdened with searching for targets - here, as a fighter, it beats the Mi-28. The result of all the disputes - conversations boiled down to the fact that a combat helicopter regiment should have: a squadron on the Ka-50 (one Ka-52 type target designation helicopter per link), a squadron on the Mi-28 with a pair of cheleadnie and a squadron (flight) of transport workers, reconnaissance and target designators. When discussing the TTD, the helicopters were discarded and the helicopters were viewed purely subjectively - "what would you fight on if tomorrow is a war."
          1. wizarden
            wizarden April 5 2016 20: 53
            0
            Forget about the Ka-50. Their mass production was closed in 2009. There are 6 of them left flying as training machines. Now they are doing only double Ka-52s, which by 2020 should be riveted by about 140 pieces.
  7. Safer
    Safer April 4 2016 07: 22
    +4
    Eh, still would be a video from the sighting system. Well, the morning started with good news.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka April 4 2016 07: 24
    +2
    test, not special of course, but I would suggest to additionally equip our turntables with active protection systems in the same way as our tanks, i.e. the destruction of MANPADS with an oncoming shot ...
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 4 2016 11: 04
      0
      Why oncoming. There is a missile withdrawal from the target. This is more humane!
    2. Name classified
      Name classified April 4 2016 15: 50
      +3
      On the turntable, such a scheme will not work. For so many anti-aircraft missiles, a direct hit is not required, it is enough to detonate in the immediate vicinity of the target and hit the target with a shock wave and fragments. A counter-shot will lead precisely to this. It’s fragments to the tank, that the elephant’s pellet, and the helicopter can be seriously battered, not tank armor after all ...
  9. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 4 2016 07: 27
    -6
    This video will be cooler
    1. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey April 4 2016 07: 34
      +34
      Title does not match content, original video:
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian April 4 2016 07: 37
        +4
        Downloaded to warfiles.ru .... moderators missed
      2. gloomy fox
        gloomy fox April 4 2016 15: 32
        +4
        I agree, why the inscriptions on the diploma, in English for the Russian pilot.))
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    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian April 4 2016 07: 36
      +2
      why in English the data on the monitor, what kind of setup in net
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 4 2016 07: 42
        +16
        why in English the data on the monitor, what kind of setup in net


        This video has been around ten years old.smile
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 4 2016 09: 51
          +5
          And unfortunately, we do not have thermal imagers with such a resolution yet ...
      2. Ayujak
        Ayujak April 4 2016 07: 45
        +9
        So it is necessary to analyze what you are looking at. Do not believe everything they write. I saw this video in the net. As soon as I saw the English Hud (head-up display), I immediately closed it. Those who mount, simply fill in the "number" of views. Such rubbish is full.
      3. Manul
        Manul April 4 2016 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: Scandinavian
        why in English the data on the monitor, what kind of setup in net

        We all want our helicopters to be the best. Even in my youth, I read the characteristics of the Ka-50 and Mi-28 in the "Technique-Youth". And I'm still waiting for them to become really the best. The path is thorny and long.
    3. old pioneer
      old pioneer April 4 2016 07: 38
      +2
      Maybe I’m wrong, but this campaign has been on the Internet for more than a year now. Only he is about the work of American helicopters ....
    4. Same lech
      Same lech April 4 2016 07: 41
      +4
      smile
      Scandinavian, pay attention to the details in the information ... in this case, you used a fake ... more carefully with this (I also pierced this a couple of times)
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 08: 40
      +5
      Quote: Scandinavian
      This video will be cooler

      Amer's video from Afghanistan
    6. kit-kat
      kit-kat April 4 2016 09: 51
      +6
      How donkeys are sorry ...
    7. Felix99
      Felix99 April 4 2016 10: 16
      +3
      Humane, did not shoot at the horse
    8. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot April 4 2016 17: 40
      +3
      Quote: Scandinavian
      This video will be cooler


      This is stopudovo not VKS
  10. Svetlana
    Svetlana April 4 2016 07: 33
    .
    To increase the payload, you can use duopacter-monocycles. They are a rubber wheel,
    to the horizontal axis of which two electric motors with screws are attached on the sides, like quadrocopters.
    The payload is fixed to the horizontal axis passing through the monowheel bearing. This device makes off-road movement by tilting the axes of both screws in the direction of movement, and turning by changing the speed of the screws. Since the payload rolls on the ground on the wheel at a speed of up to 150 km / h, its weight can be increased in comparison with a payload of a quadrocopter of the same power.
  11. Svetlana
    Svetlana April 4 2016 07: 33
    -3
    To increase the payload, you can use duopacter-monocycles. They are a rubber wheel,
    to the horizontal axis of which two electric motors with screws are attached on the sides, like quadrocopters.
    The payload is fixed to the horizontal axis passing through the monowheel bearing. This device makes off-road movement by tilting the axes of both screws in the direction of movement, and turning by changing the speed of the screws. Since the payload rolls on the ground on the wheel at a speed of up to 200 km / h, its weight can be increased in comparison with a payload of a quadrocopter of the same power. You can also attach extendable rods to the axis of the wheel to ensure the device bounces when it is necessary to fly through small obstacles.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana April 4 2016 21: 36
      -4
      Turns can be carried out due to different angles of inclination of the axes of the screws.
      In another embodiment, the apparatus comprises 2 motor wheels, for example of the Duyunov type, connected by a horizontal axis. In the middle of the horizontal axis connecting the wheels, a shaft perpendicular to the axis is fixed to the gimbal suspension, ending with a helicopter screw (propeller), closed around the perimeter by a ring safety nozzle. The nozzles are secured by a casing to the horizontal axis connecting the wheels. A propeller shaft passes under the casing. Before starting the movement, the wheels are on the ground, the propeller shaft with a propeller in the nozzle at the end of the shaft is located at an angle to the ground surface, because The diameter of the nozzle with the propeller is larger than the diameter of the wheels.
      To drive the apparatus into motion, the propeller shaft with a propeller is untwisted by the engine. Under the action of the vertical component of the propeller traction force and the moment of forces created by Duyunov motor wheels, the safety nozzle comes off the ground. The horizontal component of the propeller traction force drives the apparatus. Taxiing is carried out by differential rotation of the motor wheels. To stop the apparatus, the electric motors of the motor wheels rotate the horizontal axis (connecting the wheels) around its axis so that the propeller shaft with the propeller takes a vertical position. In this position, the horizontal propeller thrust is reset.
  12. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz April 4 2016 07: 43
    +3
    Quote: Volka
    test, not special of course, but I would suggest to additionally equip our turntables with active protection systems in the same way as our tanks, i.e. the destruction of MANPADS with an oncoming shot ...

    On it will turn out, there will be a lot of debris, and they are worse for the aircraft than the rocket itself. The hull of an airplane or helicopter is made of thin aluminum alloy, it is for fast-flying hard debris like cardboard.
  13. Leks69Rus
    Leks69Rus April 4 2016 07: 45
    +4
    Hmm, they buy expensive helicopters stuffed with electronics, night hunters, and combat use comes down to the same nursa and machine gun. And why then spend the money, would you buy the good old Mi-35 or Mi-28 without a radar. No, of course, combat use is a plus in any case, but too typical tasks. Desert, the enemy does not have MANPADS, works as nurses in squares. Need night use and shooting high-speed pickups on the go, this is an experience
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 4 2016 07: 50
      +5
      You are narrowly looking at the task, not only the flying bomb from the Flying apparatus is being worked out. . . and a complex of interconnection as a whole and the operation of all systems in hot, arid, conditions.
    2. Izotovp
      Izotovp April 4 2016 07: 53
      +1
      It has already been discussed here that we still have problems with guided weapons: it does not meet modern requirements and the competition in India showed this very well, as there was an article recently.
    3. Grenader
      Grenader April 4 2016 08: 30
      +4
      Quote: Leks69Rus
      Hmm, they buy expensive helicopters stuffed with electronics, night hunters, and combat use comes down to the same nursa and machine gun. And why then spend the money, would you buy the good old Mi-35 or Mi-28 without a radar. No, of course, combat use is a plus in any case, but too typical tasks. Desert, the enemy does not have MANPADS, works as nurses in squares. Need night use and shooting high-speed pickups on the go, this is an experience

      It’s just that not in all cases the use of high-precision missiles is required. Not the fact that there was no shooting of high-speed pickups on the go, we just see what we were shown. If they want to show more, they will show.
    4. Victorio
      Victorio April 5 2016 12: 43
      +1
      Quote: Leks69Rus
      Hmm, they buy expensive helicopters stuffed with electronics, night hunters, and combat use comes down to the same nursa and machine gun. And why then spend the money, would you buy the good old Mi-35 or Mi-28 without a radar. No, of course, combat use is a plus in any case, but too typical tasks. Desert, the enemy does not have MANPADS, works as nurses in squares. Need night use and shooting high-speed pickups on the go, this is an experience

      =====
      so high-precision weapons and money cost, but for Toyota and the available weapons are enough. pilot experience, machine behavior, instrument operation - is that not enough ?!
    5. Victorio
      Victorio April 5 2016 12: 43
      0
      Quote: Leks69Rus
      Hmm, they buy expensive helicopters stuffed with electronics, night hunters, and combat use comes down to the same nursa and machine gun. And why then spend the money, would you buy the good old Mi-35 or Mi-28 without a radar. No, of course, combat use is a plus in any case, but too typical tasks. Desert, the enemy does not have MANPADS, works as nurses in squares. Need night use and shooting high-speed pickups on the go, this is an experience

      =====
      so high-precision weapons and money cost, but for Toyota and the available weapons are enough. pilot experience, machine behavior, instrument operation - is that not enough ?!
  14. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 4 2016 07: 48
    0
    If I made it right, the Ka-50 beauties flashed there too. good
    Cool! drinks

    PySy: And yet "Black Shark" is a much better name than "Alligator" hi
  15. sa-ag
    sa-ag April 4 2016 07: 54
    .
    Bad, to be honest, training ground, no opposition, and this is a bad experience
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 4 2016 08: 03
      +8
      1. Which is already there.
      2. It depends on what tasks to practice.
      3. Well, not following the example of Some. Climbing insolently breaking all the rules in order to work out at a GOOD training ground.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 4 2016 08: 06
      +12
      Quote: sa-ag
      Bad, to be honest, training ground, no opposition, and this is a bad experience

      What makes you think that there is no opposition? Large-caliber machine gun and ZU-23 is not a reaction? Well, is there any opposition in Palestine? Any database is an experience and it cannot be universal; each situation has its own actions and counteractions. Or do you suggest sending helicopters for slaughter without preparation and stripping, will this be a good experience for you?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: sa-ag
      Bad, to be honest, training ground, no opposition, and this is a bad experience

      But what about the gas sector?
    4. Almatinets
      Almatinets April 4 2016 09: 32
      +10
      and when Assad jackals tore from all sides, and Israel bombed in the guise - like a good experience ?!
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    7. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 4 2016 09: 54
      +6
      Does the Israeli Apache have any opposition in the fight against the Palestinians? On the video, they generally freeze and slowly shoot people ..
      1. Professor
        Professor April 4 2016 09: 59
        .
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Does the Israeli Apache have any opposition in the fight against the Palestinians? On the video, they generally freeze and slowly shoot people ..

        They shoot not the people, but exclusively children and women. Why be shy? Any DShK and MANPADS are not counted. The main video where "they generally freeze and slowly shoot people" do not forget to show us ... wink
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        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 4 2016 16: 28
          +5
          Professor, I’m not talking about who shoots whom. If the state of Israel considers it necessary to hold anyone accountable, then I personally do not mind. But the opposition, I think is weaker than in Syria, because your specialists simply do not allow much to the Lebanese and Palestinian regions. And in Syria, the entrance yard is in this regard. At least I did not hear MANPADS, but there were ATGMs.
          I can’t post it, but I’ve seen it several times on the frames of the chronicle. And if you want an example of counteraction, then look at the chronicle of Mi-24 flights in the Donbas .... How many Apaches would fly there for example?
          1. Professor
            Professor April 4 2016 19: 20
            -7
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Professor, I’m not talking about who shoots whom.

            You mean how "they freeze and slowly shoot the people" where the truth is only that they "hang".

            Quote: Zaurbek
            opposition, I think is weaker than in Syria, because your specialists simply do not allow much to the Lebanese and Palestinian regions. And in Syria, the entrance yard is in this regard. At least I did not hear MANPADS, but there were ATGMs.

            We do not control the external borders of Lebanon and Gaza. Both have MANPADS. Their missile arsenal surpasses that of any European country, and Hezbollah also has "Pantsiri".

            Quote: Zaurbek
            Would many Apaches fly there for example?

            Apaches fought quite a few. What is Iraq worth?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek April 4 2016 19: 45
              +2
              Do not find fault with the word "people". In Iraq, the situation was the most difficult for the Apaches, I agree. But: the air defense was knocked out at the beginning, there was interference. I do not know if Saddam had MANPADS and what generation they were, and calibers up to 23mm are weak against such devices.
              About Donetsk forgot to quote and answer ....
              1. Professor
                Professor April 4 2016 19: 51
                -4
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Do not find fault with the word "people". In Iraq, the situation was the most difficult for the Apaches, I agree. But: the air defense was knocked out at the beginning, there was interference. I do not know if Saddam had MANPADS and what generation they were, and calibers up to 23mm are weak against such devices.

                Sadam had it all.

                Quote: Zaurbek
                About Donetsk forgot to quote and answer ....

                I do not comment on the war in Ukraine.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 April 4 2016 20: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  Sadam had it all.

                  More precisely, everything was already request
  16. Avis24
    Avis24 April 4 2016 08: 08
    +4
    This is definitely not a training ground. And there is opposition there. At least training in finding a goal, organization of management and interaction. And just hone skills in piloting technique.
  17. Professor
    Professor April 4 2016 08: 11
    -7
    Ka-52 is my favorite helicopter, but why again NURSY? 17th century damn ... angry
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz April 4 2016 08: 15
      +13
      Would you prefer to beat bearded men with guided missiles? Too much honor for these jackals
      1. Professor
        Professor April 4 2016 08: 29
        -9
        I understand that some are not surprised by hammering nails with a microscope. Nevertheless, precisely high-precision weapons make this helicopter a formidable weapon. With NURSami and Mi-2 copes.
        Precisely high-precision weapons, and not NURSs, allow minimizing collateral damage. The use of NURSs from the hands of carpet bombing.
    2. old pioneer
      old pioneer April 4 2016 08: 21
      +17
      They don’t shoot silver bullets at cans ...
    3. Manul
      Manul April 4 2016 10: 12
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      Ka-52 is my favorite helicopter, but why again NURSY? 17th century damn ...

      belay Come on, Professor ... !!! When did this Ka-52 become your favorite helicopter? Only Apache, you’ll bring such a contrast to a heart attack. I just wanted to say about the article - well, finally, Sokolov’s ( hi ) it will not be possible to give one of his favorite arguments about the lack of real combat use.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 4 2016 10: 22
        -1
        Quote: Manul
        Come on, Professor ... !!! When did this Ka-52 become your favorite helicopter? Only Apache, you’ll bring such a contrast to a heart attack. I just wanted to say about the article - well, finally, Sokolov () will not have the opportunity to give one of his favorite arguments about the lack of real combat use.

        1. He was always my favorite. Check out my comments.
        2. This can be called a real combat use with a stretch. In the same way, it was already used in Chechnya.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 4 2016 11: 02
          +3
          In Chechnya, the Black Shark was used.
          1. Manul
            Manul April 4 2016 12: 39
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            In Chechnya, the Black Shark was used.

            I think you shouldn't find fault with the words, allegories are quite acceptable here. But the standard eternal professorial "tail wagging" is there. Now this is not a combat use. This means that the Ka-50 was not used in the Chechen company according to this rhetoric in combat. Conclusion - if you do not use Halfire and do not shoot bearded men covertly from behind a hillock, then all the use of helicopters is not combat.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 4 2016 12: 47
              -8
              When we observe the opposition, then we'll talk about full-fledged combat use. hi

              PS
              Speaking of beards.


              PPS
              Application for the sake of application.

              1. Manul
                Manul April 4 2016 13: 14
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                Speaking of beards.

                1. The first video is gorgeous, thanks. For that we appreciate you, sometimes you post good material.
                2. I knowingly wrote about the hillock - where is the opposition to Apache at least one? Stealth is his hobby. Do not send his trenches or columns to storm. And fly over the battlefield?
                3. A hint about the idle use of CABs is understandable. But slurred. (In the video you can’t distinguish the place where Sushka was hollowing, well, both Halfira and TOW also miss) The main argument for their successful use is that they are crowding the bastards. I hope that this infection will be cleaned out soon.
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 4 2016 13: 30
                  -3
                  Quote: Manul
                  1. The first video is gorgeous, thanks. For that we appreciate you, sometimes you post good material.

                  And the old woman is proruha.

                  Quote: Manul
                  2. I knowingly wrote about the hillock - where is the opposition to Apache at least one? Stealth is his hobby. Do not send his trenches or columns to storm.

                  Seriously? There are tons of videos where helicopters trenches or columns storm, with opposition and not really. Here is at least the ancient Cobra.


                  Quote: Manul
                  3. A hint about the idle use of CABs is understandable. But slurred. The main argument for their successful use is that they are crowding the bastards. I hope that this infection will be cleaned out soon.

                  What do not you understand? Why use anti-tank submunitions against an enemy who does not have tanks? Application for application?
                  1. Manul
                    Manul April 4 2016 13: 50
                    +6
                    Quote: Professor
                    What do not you understand? Why use anti-tank submunitions against an enemy who does not have tanks? Application for application?

                    So you raised the topic of the unjustified use of Ka-52mi NURSs. And now you don’t like KABs for jihadmobiles .. Yes, it’s hard to argue with you. Anyway, you’ll transfer the conversation to another plane.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 4 2016 13: 56
                      -8
                      Quote: Manul
                      So you raised the topic of the unjustified use of Ka-52mi NURSs. And now you don’t like KABs for jihadmobiles .. Yes, it’s hard to argue with you. Anyway, you’ll transfer the conversation to another plane.

                      No. Talking about the same thing. Not rational use of weapon systems. Where there is no need, a modern helicopter with ancient NURS is used, and not an ancient helicopter with NURS or a modern helicopter with modern guided missiles. Also unnecessarily used cluster bombs with anti-tank homing submunitions. I am generally silent about the CD. For that now someone will write down: "combat proven". request
                      1. Manul
                        Manul April 4 2016 22: 44
                        +4
                        Quote: Professor
                        No. Talking about the same thing. Not rational use of weapon systems. Where there is no need, a modern helicopter with ancient NURS is used, and not an ancient helicopter with NURS or a modern helicopter with modern guided missiles. Also unnecessarily used cluster bombs with anti-tank homing submunitions. I am generally silent about the CD. For that now someone will write down: "combat proven".

                        He beat himself on the hands so as not to answer - all day long, you still don’t argue, but mock so that people would fall either into the chain of your intricacies, blurring the topic of discussion, or so that the opponent was tired of scouring after your evasions. Since the utema has "faded away", I will continue without much flooding.
                        1.USA used any new weapons in their new unleashed (maybe even for this) conflicts
                        2. NURSY in a desert area against a scattered enemy l / s, without close combat contact with units of friendly or own troops - that’s it.
                        3. NURSs are not ancient weapons. An automatic gun is, in principle, ancient. Well - a heavy machine gun. However, your Apache (well, the Cobras, since you remembered them) regularly use them. But in principle, these are the same unguided shells, only smaller than the caliber. So your bias and manipulation of the facts are obvious.
                        4. I assume that you meant something. For example, that it is not permissible to shoot "weapons of mass destruction", but it is necessary that each bullet be smart. Only then you did not agree. And you have been understood, as it should be. And our audience is not stupid, but exacting and attentive to trifles ..
                      2. Professor
                        Professor April 5 2016 06: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: Manul
                        1.USA used any new weapons in their new unleashed (maybe even for this) conflicts

                        We did it, but we did it already, and no one would dare to say, "let's test it in battle." Can you have facts to refute my statements?

                        Quote: Manul
                        2. NURSY in a desert area against a scattered enemy l / s, without close combat contact with units of friendly or own troops - that’s it.

                        It’s not that it’s not the NURSs on their own (although I don’t remember something about the NURSs from Apache in the desert using the same ISIS), but the ancient NURSs from the modern Ka-52 platform. About NURSy with mammoth Crocodile Mi-24 I am not writing anything. This is normal.

                        Quote: Manul
                        3. NURSs are not ancient weapons.

                        No. This is a modern weapon of the 1969 model. laughing

                        Quote: Manul
                        4. I assume that you meant something. For example, that it is not permissible to shoot "weapons of mass destruction", but it is necessary that each bullet be smart. Only then you did not agree. And you have been understood, as it should be. And our audience is not stupid, but exacting and attentive to trifles ..

                        No, not that I meant.
                        1. A modern platform must be equipped with modern weapons, otherwise it makes no sense.
                        2. In urban areas, high-precision weapons must be used to reduce the likelihood of collateral damage.
                    2. Nightrain
                      Nightrain April 5 2016 07: 10
                      +2
                      NURSY, Apache in Afghanistan do not give you peace, a volley of NURSs is closer to the end of the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz4yxYJ1gvk
                    3. Professor
                      Professor April 5 2016 07: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: NightRain
                      NURSY, Apache in Afghanistan do not give you peace, a volley of NURSs is closer to the end of the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz4yxYJ1gvk

                      This is a rare video, even more rare than the Ka-52 and guided weapons.

                      Quote: NightRain
                      That will be for you, on bmpd see the new video with Ka-52 and ATGMs in Syria - http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1830645.html

                      He fires, however, exclusively NURSami.
                    4. Nightrain
                      Nightrain April 5 2016 07: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor

                      This is a rare video, even more rare than the Ka-52 and guided weapons.

                      What are the criteria for determining rarity? Operation in Afghanistan - 2001-2014. Hellfires have not yet been invented? heh)

                      Vidosov with the use of Hydra saw an overdig, just the videos are not so spectacular, therefore they are lost on the Internet.

                      Quote: Professor

                      He fires, however, exclusively NURSami.

                      Oh, I don’t think that in combat conditions, half of the suspension will be hung with ATGMs just to impress. In Syria, Rosvooruzheniye is conducting a PR company, be patient, we'll see the use of ATGMs.

                      And then - videos from ATGMs of the Iraqi Mi-28 are available.
                    5. Professor
                      Professor April 5 2016 07: 54
                      -1
                      Quote: NightRain
                      What are the criteria for determining rarity?

                      By prevalence.

                      Quote: NightRain
                      Oh, I don’t think that in combat conditions, half of the suspension will be hung with ATGMs just to impress. In Syria, Rosvooruzheniye is conducting a PR company, be patient, we'll see the use of ATGMs.

                      No ATGM application videos yet.
          2. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution April 4 2016 14: 08
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            What do not you understand? Why use anti-tank submunitions against an enemy who does not have tanks? Application for application?

            Well against "light armored" units, why not test it?
            1. Professor
              Professor April 4 2016 14: 21
              -1
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              Well against "light armored" units, why not test it?

              Comrades, you are confusing something. War is not a testing ground. Too expensive in case of failure. Place a pick-up at the training ground, equip it with sensors, surround with high-speed cameras and test for health. No one will bother you to approach the target and record the test results. The target does not shoot back. wink
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 4 2016 20: 54
                +2
                On your video from Apache, too, no one was shooting back.
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 4 2016 20: 54
                0
                On your video from Apache, too, no one was shooting back.
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              4. Bochik
                Bochik April 4 2016 23: 19
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Phantom Revolution
                Well against "light armored" units, why not test it?

                Comrades, you are confusing something. War is not a testing ground. Too expensive in case of failure. Place a pick-up at the training ground, equip it with sensors, surround with high-speed cameras and test for health. No one will bother you to approach the target and record the test results. The target does not shoot back. wink

                They tell you that there is no point in using precision weapons in the desert across the squares. And if so, let's fly on the trash, and we will preserve modern turntables and wait for a more suitable war. And there is nothing to gain combat experience and test equipment in real conditions. So, based on your logic? At home there command than the bandyuganov to drive. At least on the "Merkava", at least on the bike ... And here strategists and tactics in the headquarters are no more stupid than you. And they know no worse than you where and what technique to use and how to send bearded men to the gurias.
              5. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution April 5 2016 15: 53
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Comrades, you are confusing something. War is not a testing ground.

                And who says that he had not been tested at the training ground before? A war thing is generally expensive, and weapons should be used and tested precisely in combat operations (where most of the shortcomings are revealed), and not just at the training grounds.

                As for the target, you won't have much time to shoot back (I can't imagine how you are going to shoot down these ammunition), "when things you don't know are dropped over you, you don't start thinking about how to shoot them down." As for me, everything went well, almost all the ammunition was activated on the target.) Apparently there was a large parking lot for pickups and possibly tanks.
              6. Manul
                Manul April 5 2016 21: 39
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Comrades, you are confusing something. War is not a testing ground. Too expensive in case of failure.

                Prof, that's why they use new weapons in real combat, because this is always the finishing touch for this type of weapon (you yourself often grumble that you "did not participate in real b / d"). Only after that, this type of weapons begins to enjoy active demand on the arms market. Well, opponents begin to "respect" him. Be afraid.
                Z.Y. People, plus a professional sometimes, but in principle, do not minus. Are you not used to his manner of communication? When it disappears, without it, it immediately becomes boring. In principle, this concerns many. Do not swear, do not spread rot (nobody has a button for this, admins) and good comments and articles for everyone! hi
      2. Awaz
        Awaz April 5 2016 14: 25
        0
        in the first video along the way, as well as our kherachat from minimum distances. Maximum kilometer to the targets.
      3. rubidiy
        rubidiy April 5 2016 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        When we observe the opposition, then we'll talk about full-fledged combat use.

        how are you going to watch it ??? Raise your butt and stand with the camera over the working KA-52. If you survive after a dozen or two captured flights, you may be lucky to see a MANPADS missile deflected from the KA-52. But to watch - not toss the bags.
        But purely so that you can’t sleep today, I’ll inform you that there was a launch on MI-28N, and so is the message about the effectiveness of the on-board electronic warfare systems that worked. hi
  • Nightrain
    Nightrain April 5 2016 06: 52
    0
    That will be for you, on bmpd see the new video with Ka-52 and ATGMs in Syria - http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1830645.html
  • Oslyabya
    Oslyabya April 4 2016 08: 15
    +6
    I think that only materials from the "17th century" are merged into a pop video :)

    And standing food for thought will be watched and dismantled behind the scenes.
  • darksoul
    darksoul April 4 2016 08: 36
    0
    the question is ... why on existing videos that mi-28, ka-52 use nurses and birds ... I have never seen a gun work, yet its ammunition is cheaper and more effective than manpower and lightly armored vehicles
  • axay032
    axay032 April 4 2016 08: 37
    +2
    The video on the new sighting system, on the new helicopter, is overkill.
    Too much extra information for foreign eyes.
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 April 4 2016 08: 55
    0
    Tests of new turntables in combat conditions allow us to identify the inevitable roughness (for further modernization) and provide invaluable experience to the personnel.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 4 2016 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    but why again NURSY? 17th century damn ...

    The use of specific weapons depends on the tasks and the situation in the theater of operations, and not on your "wishes", I think there people will be smarter than us in these matters, what, where and how to use it. So excuse the "professor" for not consulting lol
    1. Professor
      Professor April 4 2016 09: 39
      -8
      Quote: Alget87
      The use of specific weapons depends on the tasks and the situation in the theater of operations, and not on your "wishes", I think there people will be smarter than us in these matters, what, where and how to use it. So excuse the "professor" for not consulting

      Thank you for not immediately sending me to @@@. Rudeness is the norm of life? fool

      The fact that there are people "smarter than me" I doubt. I have no doubt that they are more informed. Nevertheless, the use of NURSs with the Ka-52 is waste, bungling and squalor.
      1. Slon1978
        Slon1978 April 4 2016 09: 48
        +10
        Was it squandering or squalor? "Whirlwind" or something to shoot at the bearded, so that God forbid collateral damage (this is in combat positions) not to fuck? Will it not be wasteful? Or do you propose to raise the Mi-24 for shooting with NURS, and they say the Ka-52 or Mi-28 will be expensive? So it makes sense to test the Ka-52 and Mi-28 in combat conditions. And personally, I have no data on the cost of a flight hour of the Mi-24 in comparison with the Ka-52 or Mi-28, if you have - share it, I will be grateful. Somehow you have problems with logic, Mr. Professor ...
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          1. 1c-inform-city
            1c-inform-city April 4 2016 10: 14
            +5
            Armament is used according to the conditions of the battle. The task is to destroy the rifle division dispersed throughout the desert. You will be chasing after each bearded one. By the way at night, both ka and mi 28 work very well. But only the Syrians have no conditions for filming at night.
      2. Slon1978
        Slon1978 April 4 2016 09: 48
        +5
        Was it squandering or squalor? "Whirlwind" or something to shoot at the bearded, so that God forbid collateral damage (this is in combat positions) not to fuck? Will it not be wasteful? Or do you propose to raise the Mi-24 for shooting with NURS, and they say the Ka-52 or Mi-28 will be expensive? So it makes sense to test the Ka-52 and Mi-28 in combat conditions. And personally, I have no data on the cost of a flight hour of the Mi-24 in comparison with the Ka-52 or Mi-28, if you have - share it, I will be grateful. Somehow you have problems with logic, Mr. Professor ...
      3. Sergey Polt
        Sergey Polt April 4 2016 14: 53
        0
        Amateur, come to visit us, we will carry water to you ...
    2. Manul
      Manul April 4 2016 10: 15
      +6
      Quote: Alget87
      The use of specific weapons depends on the tasks and the situation in the theater of operations, and not on your "wishes", I think there people will be smarter than us in these matters, what, where and how to use it. So excuse the "professor" for not consulting

      As for me - not a gram was rude to the professor. He talks in such a tone through life. And the topic about NURSy looks like a substitute for our Proff.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 4 2016 10: 04
    +1
    The best way to test the capabilities of new military equipment is to use it in conditions of not real training, but real combat. Which Russia now implements in Syria.
  • valent45
    valent45 April 4 2016 10: 09
    +1
    Whatever the adversaries beat, everything will go. Than then just destroy the old shells,
    it’s better to destroy them on the heads of the barmalei!
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 4 2016 10: 14
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    Thank you for not immediately sending me to @@@. Rudeness is the norm of life?

    Ai-yayai, what offense we are and how specifically I was cheated, it is possible in more detail, so that next time, God forbid, it would not hurt such a sensitive nature.
    Quote: Professor
    The fact that there are people "smarter than me" I doubt.

    Yeah, "professor", you obviously won't die of modesty, well, excuse that our MO and General Staff did not consult, now they probably bite their elbows.
    Quote: Professor
    the use of NURSs with Ka-52 is squandering, gagging and squalor

    Decide, "professor", then this is not this, then it is not that, ahh, probably after the weekend the head is bo bo, so you need to hang over, well, or reduce the dose, otherwise it's not the case in the morning to carry all kinds of nonsense and rush at people not good, especially for a "professor". Be ashamed request
    1. Professor
      Professor April 4 2016 10: 27
      -3
      I am glad that my message has reached the addressee. hi
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 4 2016 10: 41
        +2
        it seemed to me that in the video the terrain is pretty even, I don’t hear about air defense at barmalei (pah, pah) so why in this case complicate it?
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 4 2016 20: 00
        0
        Professor, you’re being neglected today ..... It’s like you write everything about the case. hi
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 4 2016 20: 00
        0
        Professor, you’re being neglected today ..... It’s like you write everything about the case. hi
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 4 2016 10: 37
    +7
    Quote: Manul

    As for me - not a gram was rude to the professor. He talks in such a tone through life. And the topic about NURSy looks like a substitute for our Proff.

    So I am about the same, well, what can you do if a person has such a delicate and vulnerable nature, though only in relation to oneself beloved, well, in relation to others, one may not be particularly "driven" in behavior towards others, I have 4 out of 5 "Bans" just because of the "professor" and the land of his "atalef", led to sin and "handed over" immediately to the moderators.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 4 2016 10: 50
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Collateral damage is your 200s from friendly fire.
    Collateral damage is hundreds of civilians who are silent in your (only your) media.
    Collateral damage is much more expensive than any Vortex. This is an axiom.

    "Professor" accept, calm down and come back to yourself!
    1. cap
      cap April 4 2016 11: 21
      +5
      Quote: Alget87
      "Professor" accept, calm down and come back to yourself


      Bank for "Professor" is not greasy. laughing One cucumber is mine.
      To your health drinks
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 4 2016 11: 29
    +3
    Quote: cap
    Bank for "Professor" is not greasy. One cucumber of mine.
    To your health

    Thank you! laughing Help yourself to your health! And for the "professor" the bank is not greasy, what he is gloomy today, he wrote this, even if you stand, even if you fall, and so let him be happy, maybe let him go wink
    1. cap
      cap April 4 2016 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: Alget87
      Quote: cap
      Bank for "Professor" is not greasy. One cucumber of mine.
      To your health

      Thank you! laughing Help yourself to your health! And for the "professor" the bank is not greasy, what he is gloomy today, he wrote this, even if you stand, even if you fall, and so let him be happy, maybe let him go wink

      Thanks for the call!
  • Redfox3k
    Redfox3k April 4 2016 11: 58
    +7
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Alget87
    The use of specific weapons depends on the tasks and the situation in the theater of operations, and not on your "wishes", I think there people will be smarter than us in these matters, what, where and how to use it. So excuse the "professor" for not consulting

    Thank you for not immediately sending me to @@@. Rudeness is the norm of life? fool

    The fact that there are people "smarter than me" I doubt. I have no doubt that they are more informed. Nevertheless, the use of NURSs with the Ka-52 is waste, bungling and squalor.

    Israel is a rich country, it can afford to give every Palestinian a "hellfire", and Russia, alas, only NURS and Grads and more ... from the breadth of the Russian soul! Nothing for "friends" is a pity.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec April 4 2016 13: 12
    +2
    This is called "Hello watchdogs"! It is not clear what else they want to sit there ..
  • cap
    cap April 4 2016 16: 44
    0
    And why am I not a Jew ???? laughing
  • Just BB
    Just BB April 4 2016 17: 53
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Ka-52 is my favorite helicopter, but why again NURSY? 17th century damn ... angry


    This is how you multiply the barrel artillery "by zero" ...

    Why do you dislike S-8? A normal projectile is an almost three-inch cannon.
    The scattering of C-8 in flight and the circular probable deviation was 0,3% of the range, and the effective launch distance was 2000 m. Plus almost a kilogram of explosives and one and a half kilograms of 3-gram fragments (for a high-explosive fragmentation variant).
    Even if he doesn’t hit his forehead, he will make a fool for a long time
    1. Professor
      Professor April 4 2016 19: 28
      -2
      Quote: Just BB
      Why do you dislike S-8? A normal projectile is an almost three-inch cannon.

      He was normal about 40 years ago.

      Quote: Just BB
      The scattering of C-8 in flight and the circular probable deviation was 0,3% of the range, and the effective launch distance was 2000 m.

      On well? Dispersion at a distance of 2000 m is 6 m? Well then, it's just a precision weapon. lol
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 4 2016 19: 50
        +2
        All true, only whom in Syria to shoot ATGM? There are few armored vehicles at bearded men, bunkers are possible. For entrenched infantry, better NURSami. In Syria, and 24ok is enough. It seems to me that only nighttime use will be useful.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 4 2016 19: 50
        0
        All true, only whom in Syria to shoot ATGM? There are few armored vehicles at bearded men, bunkers are possible. For entrenched infantry, better NURSami. In Syria, and 24ok is enough. It seems to me that only nighttime use will be useful.
      3. Just BB
        Just BB April 5 2016 06: 07
        +1
        Quote: Professor

        He was normal about 40 years ago.



        On well? Dispersion at a distance of 2000 m is 6 m? Well then, it's just a precision weapon. lol


        40 years ago he was even very normal, because they replaced the C-5, among which only the C-5C worked "sensibly" - "mowed" the landscape to the ground, from the rest the "spirits" only sneezed - a lot of dust rose - no more.

        If you are a "professor", you should know perfectly well that the radius of destruction from explosives = 1kg is 3 meters. This is only overpressure, and also debris.
        Or a projectile needs a "squirrel in the eye" what
        1. Professor
          Professor April 5 2016 06: 55
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          Quote: Just BB
          40 years ago it was even very normal, because it was replaced by the C-5, among which only the C-5C worked "sensibly" - "mowed" the landscape to the ground, from the rest the "spirits" only sneezed - a lot of dust rose - no more.

          And I about it. 40 years, however, have passed and now NURSs do not meet the realities. The bourgeoisie practically do not use them, and of those that are in the warehouse do guided missiles. Of course they saw money. wink
          Aircraft Guided Rocket APKWS II

          Quote: Just BB
          If you are a "professor", you should know perfectly well that the radius of destruction from explosives = 1kg is 3 meters. This is only overpressure, and also debris.

          I am not a real professor, but I have some education and even a scientific degree. hi
          The scattering of NURSs of 6 meters at a distance of 2000 meters is not science fiction. This does not happen.
          They wrote about Hydra that its KVO at a distance of 3000 meters is 5-6 meters, but
          1. I do not believe
          2. They are converted into managed ones.

          1. Just BB
            Just BB April 5 2016 17: 49
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            Professor
            The scattering of NURSs of 6 meters at a distance of 2000 meters is not science fiction. It does not happen.

            From the story "Letter to the Scientific Neighbor" by Anton Pavlovich Chekhov (1860-1904). The author of this letter, “Don Troops, a retired squad of noblemen,” Vasily Semi-Bulatov, writes to his neighbor:
            “You composed and printed in your clever articulation, as Fr. Gerasim, as if on the greatest luminary, in the sun, there are black spots. [b] It cannot be, because it can never be. [/ b] How could you see spots in the sun, if you can’t look at the sun with simple human eyes, and why spots on it, if you can do without them? What kind of wet body are these spots made of if they do not burn? Do you think fish live in the sun? Excuse me the poison dope that so stupidly cut! I'm terribly devoted to science! ”


            A cannon, which means maybe a sniper rifle (12,7) - maybe, and right in the eye, but a rocket projectile even 6 meters away - no
            1. Professor
              Professor April 6 2016 08: 42
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              Quote: Just BB
              A cannon, which means maybe a sniper rifle (12,7) - maybe, and right in the eye, but a rocket projectile even 6 meters away - no

              Exactly. A cannon can, but no Nurs. ATGM can, but RPG not. request
              1. Just BB
                Just BB April 7 2016 05: 50
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                yes Sitting boy and girl in the sandbox.
                Girl - "Erase, what beautiful Easter cakes I get, and my molds are better, and I have a little red scoop!"
                Boy: "And I ... And I .. And I can p-o-piss you!" what
  • Torins
    Torins April 4 2016 19: 25
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    Quote: dauria
    Now the Ground Forces have a coaxial machine. We have something to be proud of.


    It’s not clear why in the army aviation there are two motley vehicles of the same purpose and almost identical characteristics (Mi-28 and Ka-52)? So that everyone from the factories, repairmen, suppliers, service staff, flight schools was not bored? They would throw a coin, since it is impossible to choose wisely.
    The question is too serious, do not yell here about "healthy" competition. It is needed before serial production, and only (and preferably on paper)

    Even for different purposes, the Mi-8MT and Mi-24, and even then quite decently "got along" in mixed squadrons for some replaceability of at least individual units and retraining of crews.

    That would not completely lose engineering and labor. Yes, and they are not the same, I would say generally different, both in cost and in capabilities. And in the same squadron and attack aircraft with a fighter they can get along, so what do we refuse? From a fighter? From the attack aircraft?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 5 2016 03: 17
    +1
    Well, FIG knows. I represented the work of the Alligators differently.
    More like control, reconnaissance and target designation machines.
    That is, under them goes a group of workers, attack rotorcraft.
    And then, as banal Crocodiles worked out with pencils and that’s all.
    Although maybe the idea was ...
    1. Just BB
      Just BB April 5 2016 06: 26
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      Zomanus
      Well, FIG knows. I represented the work of the Alligators differently.

      So the design bureau, when it created the Ka-50, had a different idea ...
      Only the pilot training system remained from the Mi-2 era.
      Tell me, why are there 2 pilots on the helicopter? They must perform different functions: "one is flying, the other is bombing."
      But the "bombing" today has training (education) as a pilot, and he is looking forward to the moment to move to the left or upper seat - he has a higher education and needs team growth.
    2. rubidiy
      rubidiy April 5 2016 18: 01
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      Quote: Zomanus
      And then, as banal Crocodiles worked out with pencils and that’s all.
      Although maybe the idea was ...

      frankly, I am still somewhat skeptical of these statements about the attack helicopter gunner. what The truth here is that the KA-52 really has a place under the fuselage to install equipment that will make it such an information hub, BUT why would it have such combat capabilities? You take a look at its aerodynamics: it's a spitting-wing rotor-wing attack aircraft. God himself told him to do the calls. In addition, you need to understand the difference between combined arms and special operations. In a real battle ALL modern attack helicopters use speed and switch to NVD. At the same time, the consumption of ATGMs and 30mm shells is sharply reduced, but NARs are spent from the heart.
      Continuing the topic of sharpening the KA-52 for special operations, I would like to point out that it’s just a turret with a 30mm gun in them that is much more useful than a K-52 gun mounted on board and bowing in azimuth to a small number of degrees.
      All this talk about special forces was intended to "save" the car during the times of the shameless Milev lobby. And it succeeded! And now it acts as it should: it uses its speed, handling and maneuverability (especially in the mountains). In all fairness, one should not forget about the disadvantages of the coaxial scheme. In general, it's great that the army aviation has both the KA-52 and the MI-28N. And the pictures with Apaches hanging at an altitude of 500-700m, shooting scattered groups of people, not all of whom were even militants, just get out of your head. Hover shooting is very well practiced by our pilots. It's just not about real combat conditions.
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy April 5 2016 17: 33
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    Mikheev lived ... soldier drinks
  • Mentat
    Mentat April 5 2016 18: 06
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    Quote: just EXPL
    to be afraid of losing means that the BM can be shot down, and not that it will be left in the enemy’s territory, which will tow it to the states, would you at least read some news about Syria, Assad is there, the Ishilov’s run away, and even if the Ishilov’s and beat the car ( but for this you need to send samples there in order to see how they behave and how they will fight with them, until only mines come to mind) they, with all desire, will not be able to tow anything and nothing, well, they can’t do it at all.

    You think badly. Do not tow anything anywhere. They will organize an ambush, for a few minutes they will launch specialists who dismantle the electronics and remove the parameters of the devices. The performance characteristics of new technology are always secreted for the effect of surprise. Communication and tank control equipment can also be state secrets and contain technological lead samples.
    Nobody in their right mind and firm memory will drag Armata into conflict zones.
  • cedar
    cedar April 5 2016 18: 11
    +1
    We are there not only rolling out equipment and flight crews on a real battlefield, but also advertising it (in the specific case of Ka 52) for potential buyers. Volleys of NURSs look much more spectacular than the launches of ATGMs, and the psychological impact on the enemy from NURSs, and this is a barrage of fire and fragments, should also be taken into account, which our military experts undoubtedly take into account. All the way ..!
  • Nasty
    Nasty April 6 2016 15: 49
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    Oh, we have beautiful cars, chorezmatic, brutal, unlike the western ones. That Mi-24, Ka-50/52, Mi-28. It's expensive to see!
  • Grach710
    Grach710 April 6 2016 19: 11
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    What a beautiful machine, harmony is simply unique. hi