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The age-old alarm of Nagorno-Karabakh

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2 April 2016, we again heard the alarm bell. He came from Nagorno-Karabakh. Which side first opened fire in Nagorno-Karabakh is difficult to answer today and at the same time very simple. Although officials from both sides accuse each other of escalating the conflict, it is clear who first started this war. And why.

The head of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, Vagif Därgahly, in an interview with the central Russian channel by telephone, said that at night on April 2, Armenian troops began shelling Azerbaijani territory. “There are dead and wounded among the local population. In response to the attack by the armed forces of Azerbaijan, the command, measures were taken on preventive strikes. ”

In turn, the press secretary of the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Armenia Artsrun Hovhannisyan stated on April 2 that heavy fighting is being carried out using tanksartillery aviation. “The enemy has already lost two helicopters, two drones and three tanks,” Hovhannisyan said.

The next day, 3 of April, the details of the beginning of the conflict became known, reported by the plenipotentiary representative of the NKR (the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic was formed by 2 September 1991) in Moscow Albert Andryan: “In 02.00, the Azerbaijani army after a massive artillery preparation launched an offensive along the entire front line ".

The journalist-orientalist Vadim Arutyunov, having contacted by telephone with his sources in the NKR, said that the fighting on the morning of April 2 began in two of the seven districts of the republic. “There is a border post of Armenian border guards in the Martuni district. Azerbaijanis wanted to strike at them, and hit the secondary school. Two children were injured there, one 12-year-old schoolboy was killed. The injured children in a state of shock were sent to the hospital in Stepanakert. The soldiers of the defense army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic gave them a fitting rebuff. 30 people of Azerbaijanis died. They sent a helicopter to pick up the dead, the Armenians knocked out their helicopter. Now Azerbaijanis have relocated to the north, to the Martakert region, ”explained Arutyunov.

Representatives of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic noted that the Azerbaijani side used aviation, heavy artillery and multiple rocket launchers during the attack. Such a major clash occurred for the first time since the cease-fire and the announcement of a truce, i.e. from May 1994 of the year.

Yerevan and Baku have been sharing this land for many years. Even history the two sides divided, pulling historical evidence to their side.

It is believed that the history of Nagorno-Karabakh originates from six caves located in the area of ​​the Vorvan village of Azykh (which means “unripe grapes”). This village, located in 900 meters above sea level, became famous after the remains of an ancient man were found here. The Azerbaijani side immediately took this ancient person to itself and called for renaming the village, completely ignoring the resistance of the local residents. What can we say that the Azerbaijani ideologists immediately tied up a few words and came to the conclusion that the Azerbaijani people started here: the cave “Azokh” became known as “azih”, and this word became the primary basis of the word “Azer”.

It is worth noting that the problem of relations between the two peoples was not solved either in Tsarist or in Soviet Russia. This point on the map of the country was a long ember, capable at any moment with a favorable “ignition” and unfavorable political wind to erupt instantaneously. This happened twice in the 20th century: in 1905-1907 and 1918-1920. And only a skilled external leadership of the third forces could briefly bring the warring parties out of the abyss of bloodshed.

There was no consensus among the Soviet leadership. The correspondence between the plenipotentiary of Soviet Russia in Georgia, Sergei Kirov, the RSFSR foreign commissar Georgy Chicherin, a member of the party’s Central Committee Grigory Ordzhonikidze (overthrown by the government of Armenia and Azerbaijan, created the ZSSR), the chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars Vladimir Lenin, the head of the SNK of Azerbaijan Nariman Narimanov is widely known. (real name Nariman Kerbalai Najaf-ogly), People's Commissar for the Affairs of Nationalities of the RSFSR Joseph Stalin on solving the problem of disputed territories on the border between Armenia th and Azerbaijan. Moreover, in one of his letters, Chicherin proposed to introduce Russian troops into the conflict areas.

After Armenia became a Soviet republic, 1 December 1920, the Azerbaijani government voluntarily renounced its territorial claims, sending a corresponding message that the former borders between the two countries are canceled, and three regions - Zangezur, Nakhchivan and Nagorny Karabakh - are recognized incorporated into the Armenian Socialist Republic.

However, after about seven months, in June 1921, the Azerbaijani leadership, in the person of Narimanov, demanded that Nagorny Karabakh be left as part of Azerbaijan, threatening to restore anti-Soviet groups.

But these threats did not work. A month later, in July, at a special meeting of the Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), it was decided to include Nagorno-Karabakh into Armenia. But the same day Narimanov categorically demanded the next day to postpone the resolution of this issue to Moscow, to the Central Committee meeting. And on the second day he re-convened a meeting of the Caucasus Bureau, at which the first decree was canceled. A new resolution was adopted, the resolution of which sounded as follows: “Based on the need for a national peace between Muslims and Armenians to the economic link between Upper and Lower Karabakh, its permanent link with Azerbaijan, leave Nagorny Karabakh within Az. SSR, giving it a wide regional autonomy with the administrative center in the city of Shusha, which is part of the autonomous region ”(CPA IML, f. 17, op. 13, d. 384, l. 67).

Over the next 70 years, Azerbaijan sought to clear the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh from the ethnic population and settle the area with Azerbaijani migrants.

The age-old alarm of Nagorno-Karabakh


Nagorno-Karabakh “burned” on the map of the Soviet Union during the years of perestroika, when the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century took place. It was then that the Soviet citizens learned about the bloody destruction of the Soviet civilian population, it was then that voices began to be heard that Gorbachev did not want to prevent the conflict that started, it was then that details of destruction, atrocities and fierce hatred began to spread throughout the country - a natural apogee of which was a natural man-made disaster. Spitak earthquake.

It seemed that nature itself had fallen on the bloody land, adding even more chaos and death. This temporarily stopped the howling parties. But only for a while. In 1991, the next, even more exacerbated situation occurred.



Historian Swante Cornell wrote: “Of all the Caucasian conflicts, the Karabakh conflict has the greatest strategic and regional significance. This conflict is the only one on the territory of the former Soviet Union in which two independent states are directly involved. Moreover, at the end of the 1990s, the Karabakh conflict contributed to the formation of groups of states opposing each other in and around the Caucasus. ”

In January, 1990, in response to the statement of the Nagorno-Karabakh autonomy about secession from Azerbaijan, unrest began in Baku: a wave of pogroms broke out in the Armenian quarters of Baku. And then - in Sumgait and Kirovabad. Spilled the first blood.

To prevent a massacre, a state of emergency was introduced by decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in Azerbaijan.

Meanwhile, on the territory of the Nagorno-Karabakh autonomy between Armenians and Azerbaijanis began shooting.

With the popular front led by Abulfaz Elchibeyev in Baku, the demands on the Armenians living in the republic became sharper. Immediately leave the country - this is the main requirement. With respect to those who did not want to leave their homes, force actions were held. Everywhere panic reigned, people were terribly frightened, fled from their homes with their children at five o'clock in the morning.

The Armenians left the ravaged villages along the mountain paths. For artillery fire, they became a good target. Similar columns of Azerbaijani refugees moved in Baku in the opposite direction.



In the autonomy of Baku, in consultation with Moscow, introduced a state of emergency. The units of the 4 Army stationed in Azerbaijan received an order: to suppress the centers of resistance, to carry out the “Ring” operation.

In early May, the 1991 of the 23 column of the airborne division entered Karabakh. The blocking of the Armenian villages was led by the Azerbaijani military. The capture of one village was led by the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan.

As a result of the operation “Ring”, the entire Armenian population of the Shaumyan district of Karabakh was deported. From Nagorno-Karabakh in 1990, about 30 Armenian villages were deported.

For the first time in Nagorno-Karabakh, hostage exchange began to be practiced. It has become a profitable business. Shooting went on more and more, people disappeared more and more quickly. The reports were becoming more disturbing. At the end of the summer of 1991, the whole world carefully observed the results of the referendum in Stepanakert, according to which the Armenians unanimously voted for secession from Azerbaijan and for the formation of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. There were voices for entry into Russia. She was looked upon as a savior.

In the meantime, a secret order was already being prepared in Moscow to withdraw armed forces of the Russian army from the conflict zone. This challenge, according to eyewitnesses, was like running away: to the mercy of fate dozens of officers and soldiers were thrown. And then there was an amazing metamorphosis. The Azerbaijanis, the recent allies, were shaking out the families of military personnel, shaking their suitcases on the ground, examining the contents, selecting what they liked, and shoving people like cattle into airplanes.

Orientalist journalist Vadim Arutyunov says that "everything is really simple." Literally not long ago, Aliyev met with the Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The media actively discussed the kiss of Aliyev with Erdogan. And the latter tried to escape, but Aliyev caught his hand, kissed him again, and together they embraced the building.

One of the main causes of aggression is to aggravate the situation in the region. Azerbaijan committed an act of aggression, knowing that Armenia will not be silent. Azerbaijan is a fraternal ally of Turkey. They even have one motto: one nation - two states. Knowing that Armenia is part of the CSTO, naturally, Russia will also intervene, so far, perhaps, not by military means. Naturally, the CSTO forces will be on the side of Armenia. This will be a kind of retaliation for Erdogan Putin.

Secondly, it is necessary to take into account one more important factor. It is known that for two months in Azerbaijan there has been an economic collapse associated with a sharp decline in oil prices and a fall in the national currency, manat: on March 12 of 2016, it collapsed. Because of this, rallies and demonstrations began in the country. Naturally, in order to divert the population from internal problems, it was necessary to begin hostilities. Yes, and Turkey helped. A month and a half ago, the Prime Minister of Turkey flew in and told Aliyev that you could start fighting, “the fraternal Turkish people will support all your undertakings,” Arutyunov said.



And, indeed, supported. In words. TASS reported that Recep Tayyip Erdogan "expressed support and solidarity in connection with the events on the contact line of the troops of Armenia and Azerbaijan."



According to political analyst Ivan Ivannikov, “the national idea of ​​Armenia in the 21st century is to recognize the Armenian Genocide as Turkey in 1915 a year, and Nagorno-Karabakh as part of the territory of modern Armenia. In fact, after the collapse of the USSR, Karabakh is a part of Armenia, but there has not been any legal recognition of this fact, and there is still no such thing. A legal fact of the legal status of the occupied territory and a permanent “sleeping conflict” of a military-political nature arose. The presence of a Russian military base on Armenian territory was a deterrent to the aggression of a well-equipped Azerbaijani army against Armenia. The introduction of sanctions against Russia by the USA, Canada and the European Union in 2014 a year has exhausted the country's economy a little. The United States understands that drawing Russia into new military conflicts will weaken its economy even more and may provoke protests of the population. This is all the more dangerous on the eve of the upcoming parliamentary elections in September 2016. Russia is not ready for protracted military assistance from the DPR, the LPR and more to Armenia in the event of a military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, Russia cannot leave Armenia in the lurch. In any case, the government of Azerbaijan made a big mistake if it turns out that it was the first to start this war. ”
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  1. 72jora72
    72jora72 April 4 2016 06: 18
    +13
    But there is also Transnistria, and there are still the same comrades who are ready to bring firewood and splash a petrol .....
    PS And in the Donbass, hailstones have already started to move .....
    1. karpah
      karpah April 4 2016 07: 34
      -60%
      And what should Azerbaijan do if 20% of its territory is occupied and the Azerbaijani population is expelled from the occupied territories? The world did not resolve the issue
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 4 2016 07: 56
        +55
        And what should Azerbaijan do if 20% of its territory is occupied and the Azerbaijani population is expelled from the occupied territories? The world did not resolve the issue

        Dear, do you recall how it all began? And how did Armenians and Russians in Baku begin to be cut and thrown out of windows? Or recall that it was the Armenians who were kicked out of their lands in Karabakh?
        PS We return the Golan Heights, right?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 08: 58
          -5
          Quote: 72jora72
          Or recall that it was the Armenians who were kicked out of their lands in Karabakh?

          I didn’t discriminate against both sides in Skype, there, for a glass of tea, both the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians admit that the Armenians began to butch in Karabakh, although at the official level they do not recognize this.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 April 4 2016 09: 06
            +12
            I didn’t prejudice in Skype with both sides, there, for a glass of tea, both Azerbaijanis and Armenians admit that Armenians started buchu in Karabakh, although they do not recognize it at the official level.
            I’m telling you again, it all started after Baku decided that Azerbaijan was only for Azerbaijanis ....
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 09: 09
              +1
              Quote: 72jora72
              it all started after Baku decided that Azerbaijan was only for Azerbaijanis ..

              What year did this happen? As far as I remember, Karabakh announced its secession from the Azerbaijani Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. And it started ...
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 April 4 2016 09: 41
                +16
                What year did this happen? As long as I remember
                This is a very common disease nowadays "I remember here but I don't remember here" is called .......... and began in 1988 in Sumgait, continued in 1990 in Baku and other large cities.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 09: 50
                  -9
                  Quote: 72jora72
                  This is a very common disease nowadays "I remember here but I don't remember here" is called .......

                  Wash you forgot! In this case, I now take complete neutrality, I do not take sides. Just looking back at the facts of history.
                  Even Russia does not recognize Karabakh, in spite of the fact that Armenia is a strategic ally. They played at one time in nationalism and got a bunt for all for many years.
                  1. kotdavin4i
                    kotdavin4i April 4 2016 09: 57
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Even Russia does not recognize Karabakh

                    Moreover, even Armenia itself does not recognize Karabakh as a state ...
                    1. Mahmut
                      Mahmut April 4 2016 18: 55
                      +7
                      Butch in Karabakh started the Armenians. But bucha buce strife. It all started with the fact that the Baku authorities decided to close all Armenian schools in Karabakh and prohibit the Armenian language in office work (as well as after the Maidan). And this is where the overwhelming majority of inhabitants are Armenians. Well, they began to buzz. But without blood. There are all kinds of rallies, demonstrations. And in response, they immediately received the Sumgayit massacre. So a week before the Sumgayit massacre, in all city hospitals they began to free the beds, leaving only the most difficult ones. That is, in the Baksovet (now it is called the government house) they were aware of everything earlier, but most likely they also planned events.
                      1. Bakht
                        Bakht April 4 2016 19: 12
                        -1
                        Nonsense and nothing more
                      2. Mahmut
                        Mahmut April 5 2016 06: 47
                        +1
                        Bullshit is when Azerbaijanis accuse Russia of occupying Crimea and Donbass. Even if this is so, then in the Crimea live Russian people in the Donbass too. But what you forgot on the lands inhabited by Armenians. Oil is not there, and grapes rarely ripen. And in general, Heydar did little to flog his son if he decided to put horns on Russia. The friendship of Aliyev and Erdogan against Putin is the friendship of a ram with a wolf against a shepherd.
                  2. visitork67
                    visitork67 April 4 2016 21: 10
                    0
                    That's a deer. Just to swing the tongue. A lot of things and who does not recognize. There are reasons. You can deny the Pythagorean table at your leisure.
                2. 72jora72
                  72jora72 April 4 2016 10: 09
                  +32
                  The first armed conflict broke out in October 1987 in the Armenian village of Chardakhly (in the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR) - the birthplace of the marshals of the Soviet Union, Baghramyan and Babajanyan. The conflict flared up after an Azerbaijani who was known for his Armenian-phobic views was appointed director of the state farm of this Armenian village. Residents of the village began an action of civil disobedience.

                  October 18, 1987 A protest rally was held in the center of Yerevan in connection with the expulsion of the Armenian population of the village of Chardakhlu.

                  December 1, 1987 Several hundred armed police officers and young Azerbaijanis (mostly residents of Kirovabad), encouraged by the local party leadership, attacked Chardakhlu. Local Armenians organized a defense, which allowed them to take out their families, and then leave for themselves. There was no talk of continued resistance, since the local authorities, the police, stood on the side of the attackers. For resistance to authorities, 40 people were arrested. So back in 1987. the first Armenian refugees appeared. In the village Armenian monuments, a church, a cemetery were destroyed.

                  After the events in Chardakhlu, the Karabakh Armenians realized that the Azerbaijani leadership took a decisive course to oust the Armenians from the NKAR and the adjacent territories of Northern Artsakh. Prior to this, such tactics had already led to the crowding out of the Armenian population of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.


                  Here is the very beginning of the Karabakh conflict ....... the point of no return.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 10: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: 72jora72
                    December 1, 1987 Several hundred armed police officers and young Azerbaijanis (mostly residents of Kirovabad),

                    The late Apollo was there at that time, then he was still a cadet of police. From weapons he had a rubber club and that’s all.
                    In his opinion, then it was necessary to introduce the military and pile on both of them and there would be no conflict now. \\ And most of the police officers who were transferred there were Russian.
                    Quote: 72jora72

                    After the events in Chardakhlu, the Karabakh Armenians realized that the Azerbaijani leadership took a decisive course to oust the Armenians from the NKAR and the adjacent territories of Northern Artsakh.

                    I remind you that then the leadership of Azerbaijan was subordinate to Moscow. And the leadership of Baku did not decide anything. It was just that in Moscow they saw a real picture of who started what.
                    Quote: 72jora72

                    Here is the very beginning of the Karabakh conflict ....... the point of no return.

                    A sea of ​​blood was shed, and for what?
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 April 4 2016 19: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      The late Apollo was there at that time, then he was still a cadet of police. From weapons he had a rubber club and that’s all.
                      In his opinion, then it was necessary to introduce the military and pile on both of them and there would be no conflict now

                      I discussed this with him, with Alibek and with Omar, everyone agreed that Dzerzhinka was not enough there with a clear order request If there was an order, there would be neither Vilnius nor Chechnya
                      and even David (if anyone remembers him) agreed with this
                    2. garnik64
                      garnik64 April 4 2016 23: 49
                      0
                      The order was, Operation Ring.
                  2. Foxmara
                    Foxmara April 4 2016 20: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I remind you that then the leadership of Azerbaijan was subordinate to Moscow. And the leadership of Baku did not decide anything. It was just that in Moscow they saw a real picture of who started what.

                    Who was sitting there, Gorbachev? And what did he see and through what points? He himself was accused of somehow suspiciously following one scenario and he supposedly could not know.
                3. Bakht
                  Bakht April 4 2016 12: 07
                  -9
                  This is a very common disease nowadays "I remember here and I don't remember here" is called

                  This was also noted by the independent Israeli publicist Robert David. He expressed his opinion after visiting Yerevan and Baku in May 1991: “In NKAO, without incitement from the outside, they would not have cut the branch on which they were sitting. Apparently, it was no accident that the Armenians, the people with a huge sister community in the United States, played the role of a Trojan horse in the Soviet camp. Nagorno-Karabakh became the first plague of the nationalist plague. "It did not occur to anyone that if they, the Armenians, at some point more than all other rights in the world became necessary the right to self-determination of the nation, they can freely, fully use it, leaving from NKAO to Armenia. But they want to leave together with the territory in which they live! And without the territory they do not want. The most important thing for these people is the territory in which they live, and not the self-determination of the nation. Self-determination of Armenians already exists, how many times will one nation be self-determination ?! ".

                  The main political slogan of the Karabakh movement was Miatsum! Miatsum - shouted in Khankendi, miatsum - shouted on Theater Square in Yerevan, miatsum - repeated by Russian democrats, miatsum - dazzled with Union media, miatsum - flashed on the screens of central television channels - everything merged into some kind of Miatsumi ecstasy!

                  In this ecstasy, for some reason, no one remembered that Miatsum is Reunion, Reunion is Anschluss, Anschluss is War, War is a TRAGEDY OF PEOPLES!

                  No one remembered that the enslavement of Europe by fascist Germany, the Anschluss of Austria and the Sudetenland, began with the Miatsum.

                  In the Yerevan park named after Pushkin in October 1987, the first meeting of the "Karabakh" committee took place. It was convened by the leaders Igor Muradyan and Levon Ter-Petrosyan. At this rally, the battle hymn "And after all, today Karabakh needs living idols" with a very militant ending: "We will be able to despise both death and the fear of prison in order to save our Karabakh", and on January 25, 1988, after these rallies, Azerbaijan began the first hundreds of Azerbaijani refugees expelled from the Kafan and Meghri regions of the Armenian SSR arrived, and three months later, on February 24, 1988, blood was shed for the first time during the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict: two Azerbaijanis were killed in the NKAO.

                  The eviction of Azerbaijanis from Armenia has a long history.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht April 4 2016 12: 15
                    +1
                    Azerbaijan is only for Azerbaijanis ....


                    S. Kaputikyan: "... Turks, especially their Azerbaijani wing, should always be broken. The fight against every Azerbaijani must be carried out at the level of the state program."
                    ----
                    Corresponding member of the Armenian Academy of Sciences Rafael Ghazaryan, speaking at the rally of many thousands on the Theater Square of Yerevan at the beginning of the events, stated bluntly: "For the first time in decades, we have been given a unique opportunity to cleanse Armenia."
                    ----
                  2. visitork67
                    visitork67 April 4 2016 21: 15
                    0
                    Good words. Applause.
                  3. garnik64
                    garnik64 April 4 2016 23: 57
                    0
                    It came to the Armenians relatively recently. Before this, the Turks used this idea.
              2. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak April 4 2016 13: 38
                +2
                Quote: 72jora72
                Here is the very beginning of the Karabakh conflict

                Now tell us all about the Azerbaijanis, refugees from Armenia. Or has this never happened?
                1. 72jora72
                  72jora72 April 4 2016 14: 03
                  +7
                  Now tell us all about the Azerbaijanis, refugees from Armenia. Or has this never happened?
                  Did I really assert that there were no Azerbaijani refugees or am I glad that tens of thousands lost their homes and became refugees ??? Or have you read somewhere that I am a "fan of the Armenian national team" ??
                2. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak April 4 2016 14: 32
                  0
                  Quote: 72jora72
                  Have you read somewhere that I am a "fan of the Armenian national team" ??

                  I just read what you personally wrote! And you draw conclusions yourself. I'm just asking.
                3. 72jora72
                  72jora72 April 4 2016 14: 58
                  +2
                  I just read what you personally wrote! And you draw conclusions yourself. I'm just asking.
                  And where did you read about my denial of Azerbaijani refugees.
                  I don’t deny Ossetian and Georgian in South Ossetia or Russian, Ukrainian, Moldavian, Romanian refugees in Transnistria ....
                4. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak April 4 2016 15: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: 72jora72
                  And where did you read about my denial of Azerbaijani refugees.
                  I have not read a specific answer to my question.
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Now tell us all about the Azerbaijanis, refugees from Armenia. Or has this never happened?
                  I saw only a wagging tail.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator April 4 2016 15: 06
          -4
          Quote: 72jora72
          The conflict flared up after an Azerbaijani who was known for his Armenian-phobic views was appointed director of the state farm of this Armenian village. Residents of the village began an action of civil disobedience.

          Here is a confirmation to you that the Armenians started because of nationalism. They didn’t want to submit to Azeri and began to storm. Why don't Russians buzz when they have an Armenian leader? Because slaves?

          Quote: 72jora72
          October 18, 1987 A protest rally was held in the center of Yerevan in connection with the expulsion of the Armenian population of the village of Chardakhlu.

          OCTOBER 18.
          >>> December 1, 1987 Several hundred armed police officers and young Azerbaijanis (mostly residents of Kirovabad), encouraged by the local party leadership, attacked Chardakhla. >>>

          So it turns out that in Yerevan they began to hold a rally in October, and the Armenians were expelled only in December?

          Who do you want to deceive and blame for nationalism then?
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara April 4 2016 20: 42
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Russia does not recognize Karabakh, in spite of the fact that Armenia is a strategic ally. They played at one time in nationalism and got a bunt for all for many years.

        both sides periodically want Putin to call the other side on the "secret phone" and solve all their problems ... in a certain direction. And they never tire of declaring that they are independent states. Back to USSR! Then everything was decided by the Kremlin and again they were dissatisfied. If everyone is independent, then let them take responsibility and come to an agreement.
    2. uranium
      uranium April 4 2016 16: 43
      -5
      Before the events in Sumgayit, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Azerbaijani settlements on the territory of Armenia was preceded. But you are silent about this, I can’t believe that you are not in the know.
    3. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik April 4 2016 20: 11
      -1
      or maybe it began in 1987, when Azerbaijanians began to be killed and driven from Armenia? we live in the 21st century, the whole history of those years remains.
      Honestly, it’s hard for me to understand one thing, the humpbacked USSR collapsed with the hands of Armenians through Karabakh (this is an axiom), so why do you love them so much?))
    4. uranium
      uranium April 10 2016 22: 05
      0
      Typical Armenian version hiding under a Russian name. Are you tired of telling your Armenian long-suffering tales? A true Russian doesn't give a damn about the Azerbaijanis or the Armenians, and introducing people into error is already your profile.
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  • kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i April 4 2016 09: 16
    +3
    Quote: 72jora72
    Azerbaijan is only for Azerbaijanis.

    It’s very strange ... why was I Russian born here and live (in Baku) and there are more than 100 people like me and in Armenia (according to 000) less than 2011 - and then mostly old people ???
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 4 2016 09: 30
      +1

      Very strange ... why I was born Russian and live here (in Baku)
      And in January of the 90th they slaughtered Russians and Armenians?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 09: 43
        -2
        Quote: 72jora72
        And in January of the 90th they slaughtered Russians and Armenians?

        And what kick did the Azeris in Karabakh, the Armenians give, in what year?
        But who started that, didn’t you answer?
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 April 4 2016 10: 16
          +1
          And what kick did the Azeris in Karabakh, the Armenians give, in what year?
          But who started that, didn’t you answer?
          On February 5, 1993, the NKR Defense Army proceeded to the consecutive liberation of the settlements occupied by the Azerbaijani army .....
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz April 4 2016 12: 08
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what kick did the Azeris in Karabakh, the Armenians give, in what year?

          What is Karabakh. Since the 87th, Azerbaijanis have been expelled from Armenia.
          And those who wanted to slaughter the Armenians in Sumgait and Baku were refugees driven out of Armenia itself.
      2. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i April 4 2016 09: 52
        +3
        Quote: 72jora72
        And in January of the 90th they slaughtered Russians and Armenians?

        I have been here since 1978 (year of birth). Were YOU here then? By the way, again about the "Sumgait massacre" - if you raise the issue like that - look on the internet for one of the main participants, Eduard Grigoryan. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Lg47rrZys)
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 April 4 2016 10: 18
          +8
          I have been here since 1978 (year of birth). Were YOU here then? By the way, again about the "Sumgait massacre" - if you raise the issue like that - look on the internet for one of the main participants, Eduard Grigoryan. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Lg47rrZys)
          Read the politicians of Ukraine, in Odessa, no one burned anyone, Donetsk and Lugansk fired on itself for two years ....
          1. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i April 4 2016 11: 47
            +1
            Quote: 72jora72
            Read the politicians of Ukraine, in Odessa, no one burned anyone, Donetsk and Lugansk fired on itself for two years ....

            Well, let's not switch from one topic to another, you asked a specific question, I specifically answered you. No one disputes the facts - what was it was - BUT not all as you just said above!
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 April 4 2016 12: 18
              +3
              Each has its own truth, you have your own, the parents of my classmate who fled from Baku (because they were kicked out of their apartment .... how glad they were that they were not killed and even allowed to take personal things with them), their own.
            2. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 4 2016 14: 51
              -2
              Quote: 72jora72
              Everyone has their own truth

              Stop making bullshit! Yes, people were running away, yes thereafter their apartments were occupied, but I don’t know of cases when people were expelled from housing.
              A year ago, my friend moved to Russia. He had two apartments in Baku, and before moving he sold them. And no one took anything from him!
            3. 72jora72
              72jora72 April 4 2016 15: 04
              +4
              Stop making bullshit! Yes, people ran away, yes, after that their apartments were occupied, but I don’t know of cases when people were driven out of their homes.
              A year ago, my friend moved to Russia. He had two apartments in Baku, and before moving he sold them. And no one took anything from him!
              Bullshit you, dear. You write a year ago, and I write what happened in 1990 ......
            4. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 4 2016 15: 11
              -2
              Quote: 72jora72
              and I write what happened in 1990 ..

              Have you personally seen what happened in 1990? NO! so what is the story about?
              For the gifted, I explain, my friend lived in Baku for the entire period from birth to last year. He hoped that he could live there all his life. But, I decided to move after me. We then lived and worked together, now we live nearby.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 47
            0
            A year ago, my friend moved to Russia. He had two apartments in Baku, and before moving he sold them. And no one took anything from him!


            Not everything is so simple with us (s) :).
          3. garnik64
            garnik64 April 5 2016 03: 16
            -1
            This is about the Armenians.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 4 2016 14: 45
    0
    Quote: kotdavin4i
    One of the main participants is Eduard Grigoryan.

    They already said about him that he grew up without a father, his mother is Azerbaijani. But that was in a different article.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 4 2016 14: 56
      +3
      This logic kills me. He is an ethnic Armenian. For example, an Azerbaijani human rights activist grew up without parents, and was brought up in an Armenian family. And nothing - In the 90s, he worked almost in the government at the Popular Front. Nobody remembers this?

      Yesterday, in all seriousness, they wrote here that Prokhanov was from Azerbaijan. Conclusion - you can’t believe him. But Tarasov is also from Azerbaijan - but the Armenians believe him and often quote him. Logics!!! I do not understand this.

      Grigoryan is an ethnic Armenian, an active participant in the pogroms in Sumgait and a criminal. And the same criminals participated in the pogroms. But the label hung on the whole of Azerbaijan.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 4 2016 15: 16
        0
        Quote: Bakht
        Grigoryan - ethnic Armenian

        According to a number of documents, his mother is Russian, his father died in 1969. His father’s relatives did not support relations with them.
        And that is not the point. If a person is an abomination, it does not depend on the nation. An abomination, it is an abomination everywhere.
        http://www.peeep.us/db1c5abb Прочитай, хотя, особо не доверяй и этому.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 4 2016 14: 36
    -4
    Quote: 72jora72
    And in January of the 90th they slaughtered Russians and Armenians?

    Who, what provocateur told you this garbage about the Russians? We weren’t slaughtered, especially in the first half of January; the attitude towards Russians changed after the 20th. But even then we were not slaughtered.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 4 2016 14: 44
      -1
      Radio OBS (one grandmother said) And after all, a person is sure ....
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 4 2016 14: 57
        -2
        Unfortunately, this is not treated. )))
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 15: 06
          0
          Yes you are right. It is necessary to tie with these disputes. Do not convince. To you personally, as an addition, and information about refugees and apartments. Often sold below cost. But the apartments were for sale. You are from Baku and should know the Armenikend region. In our area, not a single apartment was seized. All my neighbors, the Armenians, left and were replaced by the Yerazi. But the apartments were sold and bought. And then already (personally filled out the documents) in the USSR, due to the Karabakh conflict, they were allowed to make an unequal exchange. I myself filled out several hundred exchange documents of Armenian apartments in Baku for residential buildings and apartments in Kafan and Meghri. Almost all apartments were exchanged.

          But it is interesting to those who survived all this. After 25 years, it is difficult to understand for those who use rumors. There are very few unregistered apartments. But about 4 years ago, one Armenian family filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court of Azerbaijan. And she was paid compensation !!!! For an illegally seized apartment. I will try to find a link to this fact.
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 4 2016 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          I will try to find a link to this fact.

          If anything, then in PM. My bachanakh with his family lived in a five-story building on Inglab, near a tram park. On leaving, they designed and sold the apartment. Although she was not owned. Not a cooperative house. And I lived in the 4th microdistrict, on Dzhabiev.
        3. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 15: 36
          +1
          There is nothing secret here. This was covered in the press. There's a bit of a confusing story. The family is mixed. Filed a wife - Russian. But still, the Court of Appeal upheld the verdict

          The forced migrant, a member of the family of martyr Makhlug Atakishiyev, evicted by appeal court from the Baku apartment in which she settled in 1993, appealed to the Supreme Court of the republic with a cassation appeal. This was reported to ANS TV by Makhluga Atakishiyeva herself. According to her, she asks to suspend the execution of the judgment until the occupied territories are released from Armenians.
          Recall that, according to the decision of the Court of Appeal, the family of internally displaced persons and a martyr who settled in the indicated apartment is subject to eviction, and the apartment is returned to its former owners - Armenians by nationality, who are citizens of Azerbaijan, Osipov Vyacheslav Khachaturovich, his wife Osipova Taisia ​​and their son Vilen. The judge of the Court of Appeal Javanshir Mammadov, who made this decision, said in an interview with ANS TV that he considered the case on the merits. He was not informed about the presence of other family members, except for Taisia ​​Osipova, registered at this address: "The plaintiff in this case is Osipova Taisiya Petrovna, who is of Russian nationality. Only she is registered in the registration sheet at the indicated address. The case file does not contain information regarding the settlement of the apartment by Armenians ".
          According to the judge, first court made the right decision, according to which the apartment is subject to return to the previous owners, but it is said about the postponement of the execution of the sentence until the liberation of the occupied lands. The Court of Appeal upheld the decision of the first court. Taisiya Osipova remained dissatisfied with the court decision and appealed to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court upheld part of the sentence, according to which the apartment, which was in Osipova’s property, was to be settled by her, and Atakishieva Mahluge Huseyn gizi and her family were ordered to release the indicated territory.
          By a court decision, the family of the internally displaced person was recommended to re-apply to the first court to provide her with an apartment, or to request a delay in the execution of the court sentence until the liberation of the occupied territories.
          The Judicial Collegium for Civil Cases of the Supreme Court, defending the decision, declares that regardless of nationality, civil law was respected and protected. On the other hand, no information regarding the Armenian nationality of the plaintiff's family members was passed in court.
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 4 2016 18: 48
          0
          Thank. It's not a matter of secrecy, but of volume. I do not like great materials in the forum. And not everyone understands and appreciates this.
  • yesdvt
    yesdvt April 5 2016 02: 58
    0
    Yes, because Azerbaijan will be richer and more people here.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 4 2016 13: 34
    0
    Quote: 72jora72
    it began after Baku decided that Azerbaijan was only for Azerbaijanis
    Yes, but much earlier, the Armenians decided that Armenia was for the Armenians. And this was one of the mononational republics in the USSR.
    Armenia, which during the Soviet period was the most mono-ethnic republic in the USSR (about 94% of Armenians) ...

    http://historick.ru/view_post.php?cat=13&id=102
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 23
      -4
      Yes, but much earlier, the Armenians decided that Armenia was for the Armenians. And this was one of the mononational republics in the USSR.


      And by the way, they were very right. All republics were supposed to be mono-ethnic. Less would be a problem now.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 4 2016 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        All republics were supposed to be mono-ethnic.

        I could not bear it. I decided to ask the same. And how do you see it personally regarding the Soviet times of the RSFSR or present-day Russia. Get a comprehensive answer and I do not hope. Yesterday I read the answers.
        The attempt to create a mono-ethnic Ukraine seems to have failed.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 15: 22
          +3
          I represent mono-ethnic Russia .... Where will the Bashkirs, Mordovians, and all other autonomous republics be evicted? Only a true Aryan could write this. And the one who dreams of the borders of Russia within the Moscow principality.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 29
          -1
          And how do you see it personally regarding the Soviet times of the RSFSR or present-day Russia.


          In the RSFSR there were autonomous regions that could be national.

          Get a comprehensive answer and I do not hope. Yesterday I read the answers.


          I can tell you the same thing.
      2. co-creator
        co-creator April 4 2016 15: 18
        +1
        How do you propose to divide Tatarstan?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 12
          -1
          How do you propose to divide Tatarstan?


          Why share it?
          1. co-creator
            co-creator April 5 2016 01: 04
            0
            Quote: alicante11
            Why share it?

            So all the same, you should live in your own way, they say, like the Armenians get to get strangers.
  • uranium
    uranium April 4 2016 16: 40
    +2

    Baku for Azerbaijanis ?? It all started with the fact that the Armenians started shouting Karabakh for the Armenians, not so distant 1988, remember. Those who voted for secession from the USSR I remember you 99% of Armenians were for secession from Russia and Azerbaijan 95% were for preserving the USSR. Who betrayed whom ??
    Who is friend and who is enemy.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik April 4 2016 20: 04
    +1
    You can still many, many times ... says, but from this the lie will not become true ..
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 4 2016 16: 36
    -1
    Which buch? Do you mean the movement for joining the NKAR to the ArmSSR?
    1. uranium
      uranium April 4 2016 17: 21
      +3
      Buchu for joining Karabakh to Armenia. And the separation of Armenia from the USSR. Or did you forget the attacks in the Moscow metro in the 70s when the Armenians blew up and demanded independence ??
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 4 2016 17: 50
        +2
        Quote: uran
        Buchu for joining Karabakh to Armenia. And the separation of Armenia from the USSR. Or did you forget the attacks in the Moscow metro in the 70s when the Armenians blew up and demanded independence ??


        Yes, there was such a very resonant terrorist attack in the USSR, explosions in the Moscow metro and department store, a gang of Armenian Dashnaks led by Zatikyan. And then there was a court in which Zatikyan and accomplices watered Russia with mats and mud
  • evgenm55
    evgenm55 April 4 2016 09: 34
    +4
    As for the heights, I don’t know ... Do we need them? And I completely agree. When their same brothers in faith, the Persians and Turks slaughtered, raped, etc. they were looking for protection from the white king, and when, at the expense of the entire state, they were raised, configured, received, we all, it turns out, are bastards.
  • uranium
    uranium April 4 2016 16: 38
    0
    What nonsense do you write ?? when the Russians were killed in Baku ?? thank God all these moments we experienced and were witnesses of these events.
    A simple question of how Russians are treated in Azerbaijan and in Armenia can be seen by the number of Russians living in these republics in Armenia: 15 people; 000 Russians in Azerbaijan.
    15 Russian schools in Azerbaijan Carl 15 Russian schools. In Armenia, how much ??? I will answer you if you do not use Google 0 zero.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 4 2016 16: 39
    0
    A competent article on the structure, namely, the author drew attention to the history of the conflict, starting from the 20th century.
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K April 4 2016 23: 42
    -1
    And how Armenians with Russians in Baku began to be cut and thrown out of windows

    I know about the massacre in Baku not by hearsay. My aunt lived then in Baku. Well, Azerbaijan’s neighbors hid ...
    But the Armenians are also busy. They not only expelled all Azerbaijanis from the NKR, but also seized purely Azerbaijani territories, for example, the city of Agdam, known in the days of the USSR for its cognac and port. Now this fifty thousandth city is in ruins, all the inhabitants were expelled.
    The atrocities were mutual, clearly provoked from the outside. A repetition of this madness cannot be allowed.
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  • Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 08: 22
    +1
    if something in 1989 in Nagorno-Karabakh lived 145000 Armenians, and 40000 Azerbaijanis!
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        1. Bquunited
          Bquunited April 4 2016 09: 08
          -5
          Khazars! But the Armenians didn’t even smell there.
      2. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 10
        +1
        if something the Azerbaijan state appeared only in 1918, and Armenia much, much earlier! learn history
        1. Bquunited
          Bquunited April 4 2016 09: 23
          -3
          hahahahahahah. I understood everything with whom I’m talking. all the best to you.
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 32
            0
            I also realized that ran into an Uzbek dervish! gee gee gee
        2. tundra
          tundra April 4 2016 10: 04
          +9
          Strange, I remember from history there was a long time ago the state of Urartu, then the Armenian provinces of Persia and Turkey, then the Erivan province of the Russian Empire. Did you study with Mussolini there? He wanted to announce everything to Italy, the Roman Empire.
          So in what year did the State of Armenia appear? Something I'm confused.
          In general, as with the statehood of Azerbaijan.
          As you listen to some and others, all are great.
          That's just why the majority are breaking into Russia.
          1. dogens
            dogens April 4 2016 10: 57
            -1
            Quote: tundra
            Strange, I remember from history there was a long time ago the state of Urartu, then the Armenian provinces of Persia and Turkey, then the Erivan province of the Russian Empire. Did you study with Mussolini there? He wanted to announce everything to Italy, the Roman Empire.
            So in what year did the State of Armenia appear? Something I'm confused.
            In general, as with the statehood of Azerbaijan.
            As you listen to some and others, all are great.
            That's just why the majority are breaking into Russia.


            And the trend began to leave Europe for Russia, and they have long been looking at them as salvation. That is, Europe is greater than us? If people cannot sit still, this does not mean that they have no history.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator April 4 2016 15: 21
              0
              Quote: dogens

              And the trend began to leave Europe for Russia, and they have long been looking at them as salvation. That is, Europe is greater than us? If people cannot sit still, this does not mean that they have no history.

              What percentage of Russians left for Europe?
              1. dogens
                dogens April 4 2016 17: 44
                0
                Quotation: blooded man
                Quote: dogens

                And the trend began to leave Europe for Russia, and they have long been looking at them as salvation. That is, Europe is greater than us? If people cannot sit still, this does not mean that they have no history.

                What percentage of Russians left for Europe?


                The scale of emigration to Europe is not particularly significant. In 2011, they called the figure of about 2,5 million. I remember that number. This is less than one fifth of the population of our Capital.
                But this is only Europe. There is still the USA. There is still Israel. And there you can peek the numbers. I think they will not be catastrophic either.
                But.
                Communicate with the younger generation, and you will understand that here the majority survives than lives. Most live and see when a wizard arrives in a blue helicopter, gives an iPhone and calls for himself to the Western world.
                Here the scale is catastrophic. If our citizens, looking at the West (I will not write about Europe) as a savior, then we have no future. I talked about that trend.
                And to such people, that the curtain of iron, that free Russia, is still good where we are not.
  • Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 25
    +3
    But what about Israel with the occupied lands of the Palestinians?
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  • siberalt
    siberalt April 4 2016 10: 07
    +17
    In 1990, he was in an NGO as part of the operational investigation group of the Prosecutor's Office of the USSR. They were investigating the case of Manucharov (director of the QMS, numbering about 300 workers). It was assumed that he stole stones from the quarry and sold them to the local KBO for the manufacture and illegal sale of gravestones and curbs. As a result, the version was not confirmed and Manucharov was released from custody in Moscow. In fact, the matter was political. In the course of the investigation, it was necessary to inspect all the district cemeteries. Not a single "left" stone (gravestone) was found. But another thing turned out. In many cemeteries there were graves of the Heroes of the Soviet Union. And, not rarely, not one at a time. Almost all cemeteries contained old gray gravestones in Armenian dated from the 17th century and earlier. The Azerbaijani graves were dated no earlier than the middle of the 20th century. There were also other, even more ancient cultural monuments, including temples. And they were all Armenian. At the same time, a "war with cemeteries" was waged in the settlements where Azerbaijanis lived. They destroyed Armenian graves and tombstones, turned old gravestones out of the ground and threw them out of sight.
    That begs the question. And who occupied whom there? Armenians do not need someone else. They are Orthodox.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 4 2016 10: 25
    +5
    Quote: karpah
    And what should Azerbaijan do if 20% of its territory is occupied

    And what do the Palestinians and Syrians (Golan) do? Azerbaijan is also not soft and fluffy - Nakhichevan was once the Armenian territory, but now the Azerbaijani population is there, and the Armenians do not go there.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 4 2016 11: 45
      +6
      Before poking this card, show the map Az. SSR. And compare with the territory of NGOs. Armenians have lived there for centuries. And they declared an independent republic according to the results of a national referendum. Or do you think that Crimea is not ours? Then explain how the people can occupy themselves? laughing
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 4 2016 12: 12
        +4
        The same applies to lies about 20% of the occupied territory of Azerbaijan. I first heard the same figure in 1988 from fellow Azerbaijanis when the mess started. To clarify, we take the data and TSB. The territory of Azerbaijan is 40,1 square meters. km The territory of NPO is 4,4 square meters. km By simple arithmetic, we get about 10%. Or fear have big eyes? Many years have passed since then, but the nationalist propaganda in the present Ukraine has been precisely practiced in Azerbaijan since the late 80s.


        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 12: 23
          -5
          Check the calculator. And carefully review the materials if you want to be in the subject. Your numbers show exactly what exactly 20%. Maybe a little more or a little less, but about 20% this is.

          That's always the case. Without knowing anything about the essence of the conflict, they write what horrible.
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 13: 19
            +2
            gee gee gee you even have special calculators in azerbaijan!
            1. Bakht
              Bakht April 4 2016 13: 26
              -3
              What they put in their head, they will receive it. If you put wrong numbers in the calculator, then the result is wrong. Let the author count again. In Azerbaijan, the calculator is the right one. But the sibiralt citizen obviously put something wrong in his head.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 4 2016 15: 27
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        show the map of Az. SSR. And compare with the territory of NGOs. Armenians have lived there for centuries.

        Armenians there (in NPOs) lived much earlier than the founding of the Azerbaijan SSR. And I laid out the Card in order that most do not know where Nakhichevan is located and how it became part of Azerbaijan. And if you look at it impartially, the Armenians have more rights to Nakhichevan than the Azeris to NGOs. hi
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 15: 39
          -1
          Do you think you are right from Noah? Or before the flood?

          According to the concluded agreements, which are still in force, Nakhchivan belongs to Azerbaijan. And the Armenians have no rights to it. Well, if you take the legendary cards on which there is neither Russia nor the United States, then you can say anything.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 14
          +3
          And if you look at it impartially, the Armenians have more rights to Nakhichevan than the Azeris to NGOs. hi


          Nonsense do you say what kind of rights Armenians may have against Azerbaijanis? This is nonsense. They should forgive and give everything, as Russia should repent to everyone and pay everyone. Fig you gentlemen!
    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 4 2016 12: 21
      +3
      It is very significant that on the provided map the Nakhichevan autonomy of Armenia is colored in the color of Azerbaijan, when it never belonged and does not belong. That’s the whole answer of who was preparing for the war and who was the first to attack.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht April 4 2016 12: 26
        -2
        Quote: siberalt
        It is very significant that on the provided map the Nakhichevan autonomy of Armenia is colored in the color of Azerbaijan, when it never belonged and does not belong. That’s the whole answer of who was preparing for the war and who was the first to attack.

        Hmm ... Strong knowledge. Just for fun ... Do you at least for a second believe in the lies that you write?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 30
          +3
          That is amazing. Yesterday everyone lied to you, today they lie. What does the most different people. One you are telling the truth.
          At the same time, yesterday you called upon the Armenians to take "two steps back", to return the NKR and then there will be peace. But when I suggested that you step back and return to the contact line and sign the peace, you did not agree. Also, for some reason, in your opinion, the NKR should return to Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan to Russia - this is naivety and delirium on my part. Double standards, however. Don’t you?
          1. Bakht
            Bakht April 4 2016 14: 37
            -3
            I already wrote. I have a strong feeling that I'm talking to a child. So. Return to the line of demarcation, I agree. On the line of the administrative borders of the NKAR as of January 1, 1988. Who else agrees?

            About NKR. Are you really a kid or so dumb? Once again for the dull ones. Nagorno-Karabakh seceded from Azerbaijan ILLEGAL. The decision to withdraw was REJECTED by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR as illegal. You tore a vest on yourself until half an inch about the fact that your country is the USSR. So carry out the decision of the Supreme (!) Legislative (!) Body of "your" country.

            And I asked to bring at least one argument why the NKR should be part of Armenia? You have not written anything. Double standards? Have you read the constitution of Armenia?
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              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 39
                +3
                12 July Session of People's Deputies of the District Council of the NKAO adopted an unconstitutional decision on secession from the Azerbaijan SSR.


                You don’t understand?
                On fingers. Azerbaijan is part of the USSR. NKAO is part of the USSR and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan left the USSR, NKAO left Azerbaijan. Why does Azerbaijan have the right to leave the USSR, but NKAO does not have from Azerbaijan?
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht April 4 2016 15: 50
                  -2
                  On the fingers again

                  According to the Constitution of the USSR (the highest law of the country), only republics had the right to secede from the USSR. The territories and regions had such a right only after considering their request in the Supreme Council of the respective Republic. Do you understand this nuance? The illegality of such a decision stems from the fact that the Supreme Council of the Region adopted the decision without notifying the Supreme Council of the Republic. That is ILLEGAL.

                  The second moment that you do not notice. In 1988, the USSR still existed. Even the Baltic republics did not come out of it. So in 1988, Azerbaijan was part of the USSR and obeyed the laws of the USSR.

                  The third point. Azerbaijan never left the USSR. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine left the USSR and de facto the USSR ceased to exist.

                  So I hope you understand everything? The decision to secede from Azerbaijan was illegal and was canceled by the highest authority - the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. In 1988. Remember this date.

                  Now give me one argument that the NKR should belong to Armenia?
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 24
                    +4
                    According to the Constitution of the USSR (the highest law of the country), only republics had the right to secede from the USSR. The territories and regions had such a right only after considering their request in the Supreme Council of the respective Republic.


                    That's how. So, we cling to legal formulations. Yes, there was a right of exit. And how was the procedure for withdrawing Azerbaijan from the USSR? As well as the procedure for the exit of the NKAR from Azerbaijan.

                    The illegality of such a decision stems from the fact that the Supreme Council of the Region adopted the decision without notifying the Supreme Council of the Republic. That is ILLEGAL.


                    Who is against it? Illegally but correctly. 130 thousand of Armenians versus 40 thousand of Azerbaijanis. The territory is Armenian. Why are you climbing something? You, there, say, 40 thousand Russians are there, let us on this basis we will annex Azerbaijan to Russia. Not?

                    The second moment that you do not notice. In 1988, the USSR still existed. Even the Baltic republics did not come out of it. So in 1988, Azerbaijan was part of the USSR and obeyed the laws of the USSR.


                    I notice. AND THEN Azerbaijan had rights to the NKAR. But after leaving the USSR - no longer. Forgive and let go, as you Russia.

                    The third point. Azerbaijan never left the USSR. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine left the USSR and de facto the USSR ceased to exist.


                    Russia successor, join, restore historical justice - WELCOME!

                    Now give me one argument that the NKR should belong to Armenia?


                    Give me my statement that the NKR should belong to Armenia.
            2. Your friend
              Your friend April 4 2016 14: 43
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              About the NKR. Are you really a kid or so dumb?

              Do not stoop to insults.
              Quote: Bakht
              About NKR. Are you really a kid or so dumb? Once again for the dull ones. Nagorno-Karabakh seceded from Azerbaijan ILLEGAL. The decision to withdraw was REJECTED by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR as illegal. You tore a vest on yourself until half an inch about the fact that your country is the USSR. So carry out the decision of the Supreme (!) Legislative (!) Body of "your" country.

              I think whoever wins this military conflict is true. This conflict cannot be ended in a peaceful way. But the Russian Federation should not get into this, on whose side.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht April 4 2016 14: 52
                +1
                So I got it already .... I wrote yesterday that my tolerance is ending. Some letters remained. And they need to write on the fence.

                So in the morning (already two days) it is said about this. And why break the spears? There will be a war and nothing can be done. Shellings, provocations, victims, sporadic military activity. So we will live until we learn to fight. Only now there may not be enough time. As if around Karabakh quiet and smooth. It is necessary to solve the problem. If you write nonsense here, then war. And there is nothing to discuss.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 40
                  +2
                  So in the morning (already two days) it is said about this. And why break the spears? There will be a war and nothing can be done.


                  So do I say that there will be no war? I am just saying that there is no need to justify your aggression with legal casuistry and double standards.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht April 4 2016 15: 52
                    -1
                    Remove the word "aggression" and I agree. But I don't use casuistry either. I say that the aggressor is on my land and I carry out operations on MY own land. I do not claim for one centimeter of foreign land. So don't be confused with terminology.
                  2. alicante11
                    alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 27
                    +1
                    Remove the word "aggression" and I agree.


                    I will not clean. And I’m not confused. Because no matter how legally you dodge, you actually attacked the Armenians in the NKR, and not they attacked you.

                    I say that the aggressor is on my land and I am conducting operations on my land


                    This land is NOT YOURS for 25 years. In fact. Legally - yours, but in fact - not yours. Therefore, legally, you are not an aggressor, but in fact an aggressor.
                  3. uranium
                    uranium April 4 2016 16: 56
                    -3
                    The territorial integrity of Azerbaijan is recognized by all states, including Russia. Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan. The aggressor is Armenia occupied the territory of Azerbaijan.
            3. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 4 2016 16: 44
              -2
              Quote: Bakht
              So I got it already .... I wrote yesterday that my tolerance is ending. Some letters remained. And they need to write on the fence.

              why do you prove the opposite to the local audience)))
              A couple of comments were written by everyone. A Russian man from Baku writes that they didn’t cut us in the 90s, but people who don’t live there insist otherwise)))
              The State Department and Turkey are to blame, well, the Azerbaijanis themselves are to blame)))
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 4 2016 17: 00
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                Quote: Bakht
                So I got it already .... I wrote yesterday that my tolerance is ending. Some letters remained. And they need to write on the fence.

                why do you prove the opposite to the local audience)))
                A couple of comments were written by everyone. A Russian man from Baku writes that they didn’t cut us in the 90s, but people who don’t live there insist otherwise)))
                The State Department and Turkey are to blame, well, the Azerbaijanis themselves are to blame)))

                Why not show him? In a normal tone, reasonably, he does it very well.
                And not like yours - savagery and abomination:
                "One of the speakers called for the slaughter of Armenians and destruction everywhere, the leaders immediately began to shut him up, went out, which the majority in the audience did not like, because everyone wanted what this gentleman said, these leaders were called traitors and Russian sixes)))"
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 4 2016 19: 05
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                A Russian man from Baku writes that they didn’t cut us in the 90s, but people who don’t live there insist otherwise)))

                And I talked with the same Russian from Baku, and he says that Armenians and Russians were slaughtered, a young Armenian woman was raped in front of his father by a group. On the street, in broad daylight. People were thrown out of the windows by the house.
                If you think that the events of the year 90 were nothing more than a peaceful rally, I wish your compatriots to experience this in Moscow. negative
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 33
          +2
          I have a strong feeling that I'm talking to a child.


          and I have a strong feeling that I’m talking to a lover of double standards.

          So. Return to the line of demarcation, I agree. To the line of the administrative borders of the NKAR as of January 1 1988 of the year.


          And why EXACTLY on this line, and not on the line on January 1 2016?

          You tore your vest on yourself until half an inch that your country is the USSR. So carry out the decision of the Supreme (!) Legislative (!) Body of "your" country.


          With pleasure I will push you Azerbaijanis back to Russia.

          And I asked to bring at least one argument why the NKR should be part of Armenia? You have not written anything. Double standards? Have you read the constitution of Armenia?


          And where did I say that the NKR should be a part of Armenia? Give a quote, pliz, or apologize, but at the same time for the "stupidity" is also desirable. You have to be more restrained and calmer. I already said yesterday "Jupiter, you are angry, so you are wrong" (c).
          1. Bakht
            Bakht April 4 2016 15: 57
            0
            I say that according to all laws, the NKR should be part of Azerbaijan. And you stubbornly disagree. So where should she be? Self? I asked you to read the Constitution of Armenia. Have you read? You have vague ideas about the history, geography of the region, about laws, about international law. What else to talk about with you. I can explain all this to the child. But with such a stubborn as you argue is useless. ! January of 1988 suits me because it is the border of the NKR. And January 1, 2016 is the border of occupation. Still not clear?

            You have double standards in every message. And you know, to be honest. You bothered me with your ignorance.

            "Shame a liar, play a fool and argue with a woman
            All the same as drawing water with a sieve.
            Deliver us from these three, O God. "

            Attributed to Lermontov.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 32
              +3
              Self?


              A day is clear that independent. And now an independent NKR state may express a desire to be accepted into Armenia.

              You have double standards in every message. And you know, to be honest. You bothered me with your ignorance.


              Notice that for two days you have insulted me, while I explain to you my very simple position. Do what you want others to do with you.
              Left the USSR, let go of the one who wants to leave your state. It's illegal? But fair. And the law is not always equal to justice.
              That’s all, and then the war will judge. Apparently, the Armenians again fought back, possibly losing a couple of high-rises.
  • co-creator
    co-creator April 4 2016 15: 23
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Nakhichevan was once the Armenian territory,

    What year was that? Well, immediately when did the Armenian population make up at least half of the population?
  • Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 April 4 2016 11: 28
    +2
    What should the Arabs do? After all, the territory of the Palestinian state and the Golan Heights are occupied and the local population is partially expelled, partly became second-class people ?. the world did not resolve the issue
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 4 2016 12: 29
    +5
    Quote: karpah
    Is the population expelled from the occupied territories? The world did not resolve the issue

    Whose cow would moan ... Didn't they expel the Arab population themselves? Didn't they occupy the territories? And there is only one way out, the Armenians crush the Azerbaijanis once and for all with all the consequences, or vice versa. Only an effective military victory "a la Berlin 1945", and one of the opponents must calm down forever. Otherwise, the conflict will drag on for centuries. And knowing what the Turks are like in case of victory, I "root" for Christian Armenia. Of course, the ideal option is to make peace, find a compromise and live normally, but alas , from the realm of fantasy.
  • Pig
    Pig April 4 2016 14: 13
    +1
    the more they kill each other the better
  • alicante11
    alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 19
    +2
    And what should Azerbaijan do if 20% of its territory is occupied and the Azerbaijani population is expelled from the occupied territories? The world did not resolve the issue


    Even if this territory is "returned" to Azerbaijan, nothing will stop, the Armenians will demand revenge. Here already, as in Palestine, who is to blame is all the same, but the strongest is right.
  • SIMM
    SIMM April 4 2016 14: 25
    +2
    What to do? Go home, not crawl like cockroaches all over Russia
  • iouris
    iouris April 4 2016 20: 35
    0
    Both territories - the territory of the Russian Empire, the USSR. There are two options, as usual. Plan A - cut out all Armenians. Option B - recognize de facto de jure.
    The third option is dialectic:
    A. if the Russian Empire or the USSR is restored, in which both peoples become "fraternal".
    B. if you create Great Turan, in which there will be neither Armenians, nor, incidentally, Kurds.
  • shans2
    shans2 April 5 2016 02: 26
    -1
    I remember Palestine, and real people all over the world kindle,)
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 April 4 2016 06: 20
    +13
    And, indeed, supported. In words. TASS reported that Recep Tayyip Erdogan "expressed support and solidarity in connection with the events on the contact line of the troops of Armenia and Azerbaijan."
    These comrades have already forgotten how their Turks chemira during the Ottoman Empire? Those who do not remember stories are doomed to its repetition ...
    1. Safar
      Safar April 4 2016 07: 42
      +9
      These comrades have already forgotten

      Armenians? Remember perfectly. Or are you talking about Azerbaijanis? So these are the Caspian Turkomans by nationality, in Nazi Turkey they will only be welcome.
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 4 2016 08: 25
        +7
        Turks treat Azerbaijanis as vassals.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 4 2016 10: 38
          +4
          Quote: garnik64
          Turks treat Azerbaijanis as vassals.

          How Romanians are towards Moldovans! wink
    2. Seal
      Seal April 4 2016 07: 49
      0
      These comrades have already forgotten how their Turks chemira during the Ottoman Empire?

      Yes, indeed, it is somehow incomprehensible, who do you mean by "these comrades"?
  • Klos
    Klos April 4 2016 06: 25
    0
    “It should be noted that the problem of relations between the Armenian and Georgian people was not resolved either in Tsarist or Soviet Russia.” What does the relationship between Armenians and Georgians have to do with it?
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 4 2016 06: 30
    +1
    No wonder all this is started ... The West decided to recoup ..
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 4 2016 07: 23
      -7
      Quote: parusnik
      West decided to recoup ..

      for what and on whom?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik April 4 2016 07: 51
        +5
        Maintenance is not stability .. On the borders of Russia .. Yes, and the coincidence is strange, in Syria, the liberation of territories from ISIS continues, and in Karabakh the conflict escalates ..
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 4 2016 08: 04
          -8
          Quote: parusnik
          Maintenance is not stability.

          Again, the "Hand of the State Department"? Are the NKR and AZ themselves interested in stability?
          Quote: parusnik
          On the borders of Russia.

          yes, now it will start about the "underbelly".
          Quote: parusnik
          Yes, and a strange coincidence, in Syria, the liberation of territories from ISIS continues, and in Karabakh the conflict escalates ..

          How is this connected?
          1. Vitwin
            Vitwin April 4 2016 08: 07
            -9
            Quote: Pinky F.
            How is this connected?

            Do not bother - a person thinks on a TV))
            Here they scare the great Turan to Baikal downstream))
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 08: 28
              +2
              Yes, especially the United States does not scare anyone! To date (and for 2015 too), the Pentagon has a total of 625 bases in the United States, the total number of military facilities is 3,7 thousand. There are 860 bases abroad, most of all in Germany (305), Japan (158) and South Korea! The question arises: why is the US so much?
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. April 4 2016 09: 52
                -6
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                The Pentagon has a total of 625 bases in the United States, the total number of military facilities is 3,7 thousand. There are 860 bases abroad, most of all in Germany (305), Japan (158) and South Korea! The question arises: why is the US so much?

                Ay-yai-yay ... Was such an abundance of bases annoying you just now, when they started shooting again in the NKR? The connection of these statistics with a specific subject bother to explain.
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            3. Vitwin
              Vitwin April 4 2016 09: 30
              -4
              Quote: Vitwin
              Do not bother - a person thinks on TV

              I thought one Comrade, and already counted four teleheads wassat tongue
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. April 4 2016 10: 17
                -4
                Quote: Vitwin
                I thought one Comrade, and already counted four teleheads

                maybe, I think. Three branches with a Karabakh theme.
              2. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik April 5 2016 14: 37
                0
                and I counted at least five liberalists!
          2. parusnik
            parusnik April 4 2016 08: 10
            0
            What do you think about this ..? Express your opinion ... about "underbelly", "Hand of the State Department"? Are the NKR and AZ themselves interested in stability? How is this connected?... I would like to hear hi
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. April 4 2016 09: 27
              -8
              Quote: parusnik
              I would like to hear

              yesterday this topic was discussed. In short: conspiracy chatter about the "underbelly" and "Washington's hand" has nothing to do with the Karabakh fuss. These are all variations of the common mantra "everything and everything is against us." To pull these clichés by the ears to all conflicts of low intensity and to see signs of a "third world" is, at least, not smart. The sluggish Armenian-Azerbaijani Karabakhophrenia is aggravated from time to time, should we look for a geopolitical intrigue in this?
              1. dogens
                dogens April 4 2016 11: 10
                +9
                Quote: Pinky F.
                yesterday this topic was discussed. In short: conspiracy chatter about the "underbelly" and "Washington's hand" has nothing to do with the Karabakh fuss. These are all variations of the common mantra "everything and everything is against us." To pull these clichés by the ears to all conflicts of low intensity and to see signs of a "third world" is, at least, not smart. The sluggish Armenian-Azerbaijani Karabakhophrenia is aggravated from time to time, should we look for a geopolitical intrigue in this?


                Good. All of you are right. But there are some details.
                1). First, small states are unlikely to develop a conflict without the support of a larger partner. Whose side the Russian Federation takes is in principle understandable. It turns out that Azerbaijan climbed with an open rear, to fan the conflict?
                2). In the near future, expect the concern of representatives of the State Department, UN, OSCE, Greenpeace, and other rascals on this clash. Excuse me, conspiracy theorists are not conspiracy theorists, but the common line of Azerbaijan and Western partners will be obvious. And this is just a concern that they shouldn't have at all at such a distance. I do not exclude that they will unanimously talk about their "disapproval", etc.

                I think how you feel about conspiracy theology, but there are a number of facts linking everything into one picture.
                1. It cannot be said that the Russian Federation does not bother anyone now.
                2. All countries have their own interests that could be promoted to those places where the interests of the Russian Federation are now.
                3. In order not to broadcast the box, the real pressure from all sides is felt so in everyday life, in a simple layman.
                4. It would be possible to say that in Ukraine there is nothing, I invented the whole box. But there is. And how the West promotes its interests there is visible, and what is being said is visible.
                5. In addition to the box there is also the Internet. Which allows you to watch not from one side, but from several.
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 32
            0
            Are NKR and AZ themselves interested in stability?


            And who is asking them? In a geopolitical game, they are bargaining chips.
        2. 222222
          222222 April 4 2016 11: 32
          +3
          Escalation of armed conflict !! but not WAR
          1.The conflict broke out, oddly enough, when Russia did not go to the United States for a nuclear arrow led by the United States. and successes in Syria .. after the "withdrawal of aviation" .. say you are here with a brush .. the usual technique used by tan with dissent
          2. Can Azerbaijan and Armenia themselves resolve this dispute?
          ..a judging by centuries of history, never ..
          -military way -no. as the armies are approximately equal .. and the economies of both states simply do not allow them to wage war .. madness to destroy --- by political means .. this is a deadly move for the leaders of both countries.
          3. Can the powers that be and the closest allies intervene in this dispute and solve the problem
          USA and France a strong Armenian lobby at the top and any issue not in favor of Armenia will fail.
          Turkey was supposedly a friend of Azerbaijan. She herself was stuck in the problems of the region. Further supplies were beneficial for her and her military-industrial companies. , military advisers. and loud statements .-- all that she can now .. Her direct appearance in the conflict will provoke retaliatory actions from the CSTO ..
          3. Solving the problem within the UN. here the Kosovo Case-law made by the UN and the decision of the International Court of Justice in The Hague ((.. October 8, 2008, at the proposal of the delegation of Serbia, the UN General Assembly appealed to the International Court with a request to make an advisory opinion on this issue and answer the question: “Does Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence comply with international law?” [1] The relevant General Assembly resolution was supported by 77 states, 74 countries abstained and 6 voted against)))). This is a UN provision in which people who decide to secede from a state is not required to ask the authorities of that state ...
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D
          0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0
          %B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%
          B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0
          The "" Advisory Opinion was read out on 22 July 2010 at an open meeting in the Great Hall of Justice at the Peace Palace in The Hague. This opinion is not binding. The court unanimously decided that it had jurisdiction over the case, decided by nine votes to five to issue an advisory opinion, and by ten votes to four (Judges Tomka, Koroma, Skotnikov, Bennouna) decided that the declaration of independence of Kosovo did not violate international law.
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. April 4 2016 12: 24
            -3
            Quote: 222222
            the conflict broke out as it is not strange when Russia did not go to the United States on a nuclear arrow

            Oh yeah! Signs - they are everywhere ...
            Quote: 222222
            and the economy of both states simply does not allow them to wage war ..

            no war is at stake.
            Quote: 222222
            armies are roughly equal.

            I would not say.
            1. 222222
              222222 April 4 2016 15: 56
              +1
              Pinky F. RU Today, 12:24 ↑
              ... Pinocchio .. !!! laughing hi
            2. Your friend
              Your friend April 4 2016 16: 12
              0
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Oh yeah! Signs - they are everywhere ...

              Our "patriots" are no different from Ukrainian maydauns. Only for those "Putin is to blame for everything," and for our "patriots" - "Pin ... do..sy is to blame for everything."
  • oldav
    oldav April 4 2016 07: 10
    +10
    I know many Azerbaijanis. They have a cult of returning NGOs. They constantly cry for the lost. In social accounts and in simple conversations, one topic; terrible Armenians and unhappy we. Perhaps no one urged them, but they decided.
    1. Yereke
      Yereke April 4 2016 11: 35
      -4
      I can say the same thing about the Russians about the cult of the return of the Crimea was and cried .. in the end ..
      1. oldav
        oldav April 4 2016 13: 24
        +5
        There was no cult. Crimea is Russian for 250 years and most Russians live there. For centuries, Karabakh was Armenian; it was joined by the Bolsheviks to Azerbaijanis. If you want to compare, then Armenia is Russia that has returned its land.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 13: 34
          -3
          From time immemorial is when? When was the Karabakh Khanate?

          Having the good fortune to give V.I.V. all the best the keys of the Shusha fortress and the treaty concluded with Ibragim Khan of Karabagh on his coming with all his family and Karabagh possession into eternal citizenship of V.I. onago, in my presence, I take the liberty of ever more truly congratulating V. I. V. on this new expansion of the Russian Empire

          From the most comprehensive report of Prince Tsitsianov of May 22, 1805:

          Yes, "from time immemorial" ... Poor centuries ...
          By the way, "from time immemorial" Moscow was a vassal town of Kiev. Is that an argument ?? !! And Great Armenia was a vassal formation of Parthia. King Tiridates of Great Armenia was from the Parthians. Oh, those would-be historians.
          1. garnik64
            garnik64 April 5 2016 04: 09
            0
            The Turks of the Persian Empire conquered Karabakh in the 18th century. Karabakh itself from the upland and plain parts had several times the area of ​​today's Nagorno-Karabakh. From the plain part, the Armenians went to the mountains. In general, during the capture of Baku by Peter the Great, the Parsis (Taty) were protected by the Persian-speaking people, and where is this people. It is necessary to assimilate peoples from the Turks. Armenia was different great, small, Cilician. Sometimes the kings of Armenia had the title of king of kings, and sometimes vassals of larger states.
            And your Sultan is a Kurd.
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 4 2016 12: 28
      -2
      Quote: oldav
      I know many Azerbaijanis. They have a cult of returning NGOs. They constantly cry for the lost.

      Interestingly, and your acquaintances Azerbaijanis probably say that
      Quote: oldav
      I know many Russians. They have a cult of the return of the Crimea and the revival of the USSR. They constantly cry for the lost. In social networks and in simple conversations, one topic; horrible hohls ...
  • Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ April 4 2016 07: 17
    +1
    You look at Ukraine and think: stop people. No need to fight.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 April 4 2016 07: 33
      +5
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      You look at Ukraine and think:

      It’s clear that they didn’t read the article, but at least read the headline - all the bread -
      The age-old alarm of Nagorno-Karabakh

      And think more about your homeland - about Russia! Khokhlobrati themselves let out of their harlot.
      1. Oleneboy_
        Oleneboy_ April 4 2016 14: 13
        -1
        I read the headline. The thought was probably not formulated as long as you did not understand.
    2. lex locis
      lex locis April 4 2016 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      You look at Ukraine and think: stop people. No need to fight.


      You tell Parasha this. The LPR and the DPR are not at all eager to fight, they want to live normally, and not jump until you drop ...
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 4 2016 07: 31
    +5
    Thanks Polinushka- another good article! and as for the conflict - I am completely on the side of the Armenians - although there were excesses too - my great-great-grandfather- Cossack defended them from the Turks ........ and Vera that we don’t say alone. Thank you again for the article!
    1. Seal
      Seal April 4 2016 07: 56
      +8
      About friendship based on religion.
      First, Russia is a secular state.
      Secondly, Islam in Russia is as legal and traditional as Orthodoxy.
      And toss such ideas that Russia needs to be friends with someone only because these someone is “Christians” - this means trying to bring fragmentation into the unity of the peoples of Russia.
      Here, for example, is a system of soldiers of the Russian Army. Of these, 30% are atheists, 30% are Christians of all directions, 30% are Muslims, the rest are Buddhists, Lamaists, and so on. And what, will you address them with a speech that “Muslims who are friendly to us in Christ are going to offend Muslims” ???
      Bullshit? Bullshit !!!
      Especially considering that, from the canonical Orthodox point of view, Gregorians are the essence of heretics. Deny the Holy Trinity.
      And further.
      1. Knight dogs who? The most Christian of Christians, who also had the blessing of the Pope himself.
      2.Poles 1612 who? Muslims? No, no less true Christians than knight dogs !!!
      3. The Swedes near Poltava in 1709, what did they pray on the rugs to the East?
      4.French 1812 ?? Well, if not particularly believers, then certainly not Muslims.
      5.Germans 1914 and 1941? What was written on the buckles of the Nazis?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser April 4 2016 08: 52
        +4
        That's right, dear <Sil>, the church should be separated from the state, and the school from the church. Otherwise, there will be eternal "boots of the Inquisition" and "nights of St. Bartholomew." And making a state religion in a multi-confessional country is tantamount to state suicide.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser April 4 2016 08: 52
        +1
        That's right, dear <Sil>, the church should be separated from the state, and the school from the church. Otherwise, there will be eternal "boots of the Inquisition" and "nights of St. Bartholomew." And making a state religion in a multi-confessional country is tantamount to state suicide.
    2. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      Thanks Polinushka- another good article! and as for the conflict - I am completely on the side of the Armenians - although there were excesses too - my great-great-grandfather- Cossack defended them from the Turks ........ and Vera that we don’t say alone. Thank you again for the article!

      For the Armenians? And it even seemed to me that I had to be for my country, for my citizens. The next "brothers"? Aren't you bored?
      1. wolfhound
        wolfhound April 4 2016 12: 22
        +1
        and such citizens, even for blacks, privations with all socialist determination to send others into battle, and to fight on the couch on the TV
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer April 4 2016 07: 33
    +7
    Russia can expel Azerbaijanis without serious consequences. At our construction sites and factories you can meet representatives of any nationalities, and these only in the markets and small wholesale warehouses rub. There is no place for drones here. Hit the ruble according to the manat!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 4 2016 07: 47
      0
      Quote: Foresterer
      Russia can expel Azerbaijanis without serious consequences.

      Already? And with what fright? And certainly sanctions on tomatoes!
      1. Foresterer
        Foresterer April 4 2016 08: 27
        +5
        Go to any market in any city in Russia and you will understand. This contingent does not even pay taxes to our budget, our country will not lose anything if there are no taxes, and it will be easier to put things in order in the markets and small wholesale food stores without them. I personally know several Armenians who work in our city, that is, they actually work, and I also personally know several Azerbaijanis who "spin" in our markets.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 4 2016 09: 48
          -1
          Quote: Foresterer
          Go to any market in any city of Russia and understand.

          I don’t understand something of the connection between the shooting in the NKR and the vegetable market somewhere in Uryupinsk.
          Quote: Foresterer
          I know several Armenians who work in our city, that is, they really work

          Armenians who actually work in "Comedy" and bombils, of course, cause more sympathy, yeah. But again - what side to Karabakh to your sympathies?
          1. Foresterer
            Foresterer April 4 2016 11: 37
            +7
            I have never heard something, that there would ever be some kind of massacre of strangers in Armenia or aggression towards a stranger, but in Azerbaijan more than once, and who started, everything is clear here. But where do you get such sympathies for Turkish from, and the fact that this is according to the teachings of Turkey is no longer in doubt, it is not clear. I expressed my opinion based on the fact that Russia is in a military alliance with Armenia, and I foresee that the representatives of the Azerbaijani diaspora will not build our eyes in the event of our full assistance. Well, personally ... Turkey was the enemy of my grandfathers, great-grandfathers, I was not my friend and will never be, now, like for my son. Azerbaijan, supporting Turkey and Turkey, supporting Azerbaijan for me on the same scale. Our pilot, killed by these basmachi, is there, the same are the Chubarovs with Islyamov, there is trash from Turkey, which is now preparing to take away our Crimea in Ukraine. Russia is on the other side and I am with it and my family and my friends and 99% of those present at the military academy. If you don’t understand from which side Karabakh is here, then at least read the history of relations between Russia and the Caucasus. And about market trash, I mean that if we also have to impose some sanctions in the event of a big war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, the deportation of Baku gas workers will harm Baku, and Russia will only benefit.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 4 2016 12: 12
              0
              Quote: Foresterer
              I never heard something that there would ever be any massacre of strangers in Armenia or aggression towards a stranger,

              ahh well, if you have not heard, then this was not))))
              1. Qyomur
                Qyomur April 4 2016 12: 36
                0
                Well, taking into account the fantastic statements of Azerbaijani historians, politicians, and all those who are not too lazy to tongue (I personally honored to hear this from them on network resources) that the Armenians in Baku, Sumgait and other cities began to smash the local Azerbaijani population and only in the answer to this was the expulsion and pogroms of Armenians, your arguments about hearing and not hearing can be attributed to the same stories. Although maybe you take into account all historical cases, starting with ancient history? In particular, the legend of the murder of Ike Bel?
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht April 4 2016 12: 54
                  0
                  Well, the statements of Armenian historians even got the Ren TV and personally Prokopenko. What was wrong with Ike? Any evidence? Crime scene inspection protocol? Did you have a fingerprint?

                  I don’t know where and why you heard enough. But I've heard a lot of nonsense these days here. The Armenian interpretation is driving crazy. Have to take a timeout. Mosk boils.
                  1. Qyomur
                    Qyomur April 4 2016 13: 22
                    +5
                    You see, the difference between us and you in the first place is that we treat you as a defeated enemy and no more. You spend millions on anti-Armenian propaganda. If you are so right, so confident in the legality of your claims, consider yourself unfairly oppressed, then WHY to spend such funds on propaganda and escalation of hysteria? It seems to me, if the truth were on your side, then there would be no need to seek evidence, cultivate hatred and intolerance.
                    It’s just that, logically, it doesn’t fit together, why should we escalate the situation in the NKR, if the modern reality is such that the NKR lives its life calmly, even without legal recognition, without any ideas of revenge.
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht April 4 2016 13: 39
                      0
                      The difference is that we treat you as invaders. Azerbaijan does not spend much on propaganda. There is not so much hatred in Armenia anywhere in the world. Azerbaijan spends money and energy on weapons. Does Karabakh live a calm life? Well, you can leave these tales for internal use.

                      It is enough to google the Internet and it will immediately become clear who spends how much on propaganda.

                      And the most important thing. There are no "defeated enemies". This is exactly what we are talking about the last days. So everything goes to war. I just try to reach out to sane people. Not up to you. For you and opponents like you, I simply point out false statements.
                      1. Qyomur
                        Qyomur April 4 2016 14: 56
                        +1
                        Well, if so, it may not share with me, but as you put it with sane people, why did the Armenians start the current hostilities?)
                        They shout, they shout, but not a single justification has been expressed about motivation and reasons. Anyway, as I say now, the Titanic sank V.I. Lenin.
                        I beg you, please tell me your officially named reason for the outbreak of hostilities
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht April 4 2016 15: 17
                        0
                        "My official" is somehow frivolous. There is either mine or official. I do not hold any official posts.

                        It is advantageous for Armenia to maintain tension on the front line in order not to comply with the decision to liberate the occupied regions. If you nevertheless look carefully at the messages, then practically everywhere it is said that "the occupied regions must be liberated from the Armenian troops." So, the hostilities allow Armenia not to fulfill this point. And this point of the ceasefire agreement is now pointed out by all parties. And the United States, and Russia, and the European Union. And even members of the CSTO. Armenia will continue shelling and provocations to continue the occupation. Moreover, this is not about the NKR, but about 6 OCCUPIED regions. It is under this name that they pass under all international agreements.

                        It is a logical explanation. My personal. I do not know the official. You can search the Internet.
                      3. Qyomur
                        Qyomur April 4 2016 16: 26
                        0
                        Speaking your official, the officially named reason for your side was meant. I quite correctly put it, but you did not understand.
                        Quote: Qyomur
                        I beg you, please tell me yours officially named the reason for the outbreak of hostilities
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 36
        +1
        I don’t understand something of the connection between the shooting in the NKR and the vegetable market somewhere in Uryupinsk.


        Do not spoil where you eat. Armenia is an ally of Russia, where they work. So they lowered their tail and quietly trade in a bazaar in Russia.

        Armenians who actually work in "Comedy" and bombils, of course, cause more sympathy, yeah


        No, but in Armenia our WB. Therefore, the Armenian position is closer to us in any way.
        1. Your friend
          Your friend April 4 2016 14: 45
          -1
          Quote: alicante11
          No, but in Armenia our WB. Therefore, the Armenian position is closer to us in any way.

          Why on earth? For Armenians, the position of the Maidan was much closer than the position of the Russian Federation. I remember how they in their publics sent greetings to the brothers Ukrainians. And you should now go to their sites and enjoy the flows of slops that the Armenians pour on us.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 41
            +1
            Why on earth?


            No, but in Armenia our WB.


            Is it clear? Nothing personal just business.
            1. Your friend
              Your friend April 4 2016 16: 19
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Is it clear? Nothing personal just business.

              And what, what is our base there? What does this have to do with the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia. For good this base should not be there.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 41
                +1
                And what, what is our base there? What does this have to do with the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia. For good this base should not be there.


                On good, our bases should be in Armenia and Azerbaijan and in Georgia and in other former republics of the USSR - because it is a pre-field. It’s better to fight on someone else’s territory than on your own. Is it clear?
                1. Your friend
                  Your friend April 4 2016 16: 55
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  On good, our bases should be in Armenia and Azerbaijan and in Georgia and in other former republics of the USSR - because it is a pre-field. It’s better to fight on someone else’s territory than on your own. Is it clear?

                  Ischo one stratech.)))
                  How many bases are there in China? None? Is China fighting on its territory ??? Byad ...))))
                  How many military bases did the USSR have? Yes dohrenischi. And how did it end? By wars on the territory of the USSR - in the Caucasus, in the prenistria, in Central Asia ...
                  But local strategies need more bases - beautiful and different.))))
    2. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: Foresterer
      Go to any market in any city in Russia and you will understand. This contingent does not even pay taxes to our budget, our country will not lose anything if there are no taxes, and it will be easier to put things in order in the markets and small wholesale food stores without them. I personally know several Armenians who work in our city, that is, they actually work, and I also personally know several Azerbaijanis who "spin" in our markets.

      Yeah, go to the websites of the Armenians and be glad what exactly they think about you and your country. And how they drowned for maydanutyh ... with such friends of enemies it is not necessary.
      1. garnik64
        garnik64 April 5 2016 04: 29
        0
        Please, the site is in the studio. And for the real Ukrainians, with two hands, because they are one people with the Russians. Not to be confused with the Banderavites. "Thanks" to the Bolsheviks.
  • wolfhound
    wolfhound April 4 2016 12: 25
    +2
    why sanctions, the Rosselkhoznadzor itself must do its job, and the price tag that Azerbots line up for their pimidors is spomidory, they just want to put a couple of boxes on their heads)))))))))))))) hi
  • grandson of the hero
    grandson of the hero April 4 2016 07: 47
    0
    Lord's neighbors! Take a look around, wake up. Or do you want to be on the 404 map?
  • Bquunited
    Bquunited April 4 2016 08: 23
    -16%
    Crimea squeezed back !!!! And what is impossible for Azerbaijan to return its lands, which were not given to anyone but occupied, by the occupied? What place do you think? Blow up on the weight of the world about the double standards of the West and what yourself? This is damn occupied land! For more than 20 years, Russia has contributed to not solving the problem. Like Israel for the United States and Armenia for Russia is a necessary splinter of geopolitics. And it would be more profitable to be friends with richer and more prosperous neighbors. The benefits in cooperation with Azerbaijan are much greater than with the Armenians who beg all the time. GABALA station + permanent defense orders for NAL !!
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 08: 41
      +4
      I repeat by 1989, 145000 Armenians lived in Nagorno-Karabakh, only 40000 Azerbaijanis! hold a referendum! and friendship was only in the USSR, and under capitalism, man is wolf to man!
      1. Bquunited
        Bquunited April 4 2016 09: 05
        +2
        NKR may be a disputed territory. and 7 regions of Azerbaijan?
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 19
          +3
          and maybe also return the islands of Japan! gee gee gee
        2. shans2
          shans2 April 5 2016 02: 43
          0
          woe to the vanquished (c) ahaha
        3. garnik64
          garnik64 April 5 2016 04: 33
          0
          7 districts in exchange for recognition of the NKR.
    2. Vitwin
      Vitwin April 4 2016 09: 12
      +5
      Quote: bqunited
      . GABALA Station +

      Sorry to deceive - the rental price was 7 million Baku per year, excluding associated costs.
    3. Vitwin
      Vitwin April 4 2016 09: 12
      0
      Quote: bqunited
      . GABALA Station +

      Sorry to deceive - the rental price was 7 million Baku per year, excluding associated costs.
      1. Bquunited
        Bquunited April 5 2016 12: 21
        0
        And if Russia had resolved the dispute, Azerbaijan would have given it for 100 years free of charge.
    4. Yereke
      Yereke April 4 2016 11: 34
      -4
      they have a different logic, if it is profitable for them, it’s good and everyone is to blame. If it is necessary differently, the USA will blame everywhere and this is the land of Armenians))
      1. Your friend
        Your friend April 4 2016 14: 33
        -1
        Quote: Ereke
        they have a different logic, if it is profitable for them, it’s good and everyone is to blame. If it is necessary differently, the USA will blame everywhere and this is the land of Armenians))

        "The USA is to blame" - how nice it is.)))
      2. shans2
        shans2 April 5 2016 02: 45
        0
        Kazakhstan will still return to us primordially Russian lands after Nazarbayev’s death, remember my words)))
    5. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 12: 05
      0
      Quote: bqunited
      Crimea squeezed back !!!! And what is impossible for Azerbaijan to return its lands, which were not given to anyone but occupied, by the occupied? What place do you think? Blow up on the weight of the world about the double standards of the West and what yourself? This is damn occupied land! For more than 20 years, Russia has contributed to not solving the problem. Like Israel for the United States and Armenia for Russia is a necessary splinter of geopolitics. And it would be more profitable to be friends with richer and more prosperous neighbors. The benefits in cooperation with Azerbaijan are much greater than with the Armenians who beg all the time. GABALA station + permanent defense orders for NAL !!

      What are you minus? I wrote everything correctly. Azerbaijanis pay the Russian Federation currency for weapons, and the Armenians are just another parasite. And this eternal howl about the ancient wise people offended by all. Go through the forums of the Armenians, read their articles - not a gram of a good attitude towards the Russian Federation, even the Armenians living in our country pour mud on us.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 41
        +1
        And this eternal howl about the ancient wise people offended by all.


        This is geopolitics, son, almost (s) :).
    6. alicante11
      alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 39
      +1
      Crimea squeezed back !!!! And what is impossible for Azerbaijan to return its lands, which were not handed over to the occupied by anyone, to anyone?


      Crimea was "squeezed" when the outskirts were completely sold to the West. So this is a kind of punishment - patting on the buttocks, like rodents in 2008. If you don’t calm down, then we will inform you too, because you oppose our ally, and, therefore, on the side of the West.
      Although, of course, Armenia is still that ally.
  • raid14
    raid14 April 4 2016 08: 25
    +4
    A multi-move policy with a military bias, Turkey, represented by Azerbaijan, decided to conduct "reconnaissance in force", provoke Russia to retaliate. The goal is clear as daylight, to create a hotbed of military instability in the Caucasus, a temporary or long-term diversion of Russia's military, financial and information resources from the Syrian conflict.
    Try to embroil Russia with Armenia (through opposition-minded "patriots" who advocate insufficient actions to provide military assistance within the CSTO with the subsequent withdrawal of the republic from this organization and the closure of our military base) and Iran (Azerbaijanis are predominantly Shiites, provocations and shelling of Iranian territory allegedly army) as a temporary ally in Syria.
    1. Bquunited
      Bquunited April 4 2016 08: 47
      +1
      And therefore, Russia must do everything in its power to resolve this conflict, and not blindly protect the Armenians. She has been doing this for 22 of the year.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 00
        +4
        Armenians defend themselves, they have a combat-ready army! while we help, we defend our interests!
        1. Bquunited
          Bquunited April 4 2016 09: 06
          -4
          Laugh in the morning !!
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 22
            -2
            like you about seven Azerbaijani regions!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 09: 07
        +5
        Quote: bqunited
        not blindly defend the Armenians. She has been doing this for 22 years.

        Selling modern weapons to Azerbaijan wink
        1. Bquunited
          Bquunited April 4 2016 09: 25
          +2
          Money money money! They didn’t interfere with anyone. The USA is doing the same. They give weapons to Israel and sell them to their neighbors.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 4 2016 09: 28
            0
            Quote: bqunited
            . They give weapons to Israel and sell them to their neighbors.

            For example, to whom?
      3. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 4 2016 09: 24
        0
        Russia owes nothing to anyone!
      4. alicante11
        alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 41
        0
        And therefore, Russia must do everything in its power to resolve this conflict, and not blindly protect the Armenians. She has been doing this for 22 of the year.


        Those. should force Armenians to cleanse the NKR? Because Azerbaijan does not agree to anything else.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 14: 58
          +2
          You are not tired of posting falsehoods from time to time. Give at least one link where it is said at the official level that Azerbaijan plans to deport Armenians. Or shut up, for God's sake. And then I will soon be banned.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 45
            +2
            You are not tired of posting false from time to time


            I’m just not limping on this leg, unlike you.

            Give at least one link where it is said at the official level that Azerbaijan plans to deport Armenians.


            Well, which of us is a child? Hitler also officially declared war on Poland for the attack on the radio station, and the USSR as a preventive measure against the attack.
            Or do you seriously think that the Armenians living on the territory of the NKR together with the flowers will meet the Azerbaijani troops? for some reason, it seems to me that they will meet you with bullets and grenades. And the Armenians from Armenia will help them by supplying these grenade bullets. And what will you do?
            1. Bakht
              Bakht April 4 2016 16: 00
              0
              no link? So they lied. That was all I needed to know.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 34
                0
                no link? So they lied. That was all I needed to know.


                You see a gopher, and he is (s).
                Can you answer the question what will you do with the resisting Armenians in the captured NKR?
      5. shans2
        shans2 April 5 2016 02: 49
        0
        Russia can fuck Azerbaijan, it is in its power, for this conflict can be removed only by the complete victory of one side and the division of the vanquished with the loss of statehood, will it work? we have no other recipes for Turkoman in Russia.
        Azerbaijan, however, cannot live in peace, apparently.
  • VP
    VP April 4 2016 08: 31
    +4
    Armenians have a powerful lobby in Europe and in the States.
    I think it will seriously connect
  • cap
    cap April 4 2016 09: 30
    +1
    "The introduction in 2014 of sanctions against Russia by the United States, Canada and the European Union a little depleted the country's economy. The United States understands that drawing Russia into new military conflicts will weaken its economy even more and may cause protest actions by the population. This is all the more dangerous in on the eve of the upcoming parliamentary elections in September 2016. Russia is not ready for protracted military assistance to the DPR, LPR and even Armenia in the event of a military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, Russia cannot leave Armenia in trouble. In any case, the Azerbaijani government made a big mistake, if it turns out that it was the first to start this war. "

    Absolutely competent and correct article.

    But let's not forget the main thing.
    The conductor in the orchestra called MIR, while the United States.
    This must be remembered by Russia when making decisions so as not to fall into the traps set by him (the conductor). hi
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  • Olezhek
    Olezhek April 4 2016 09: 54
    +1
    Strange ... I read the article and thought that it was written by an Armenian ... however ... request

    In fact, there are no good and bad ones like there ... as in most inter-ethnic conflicts.
  • Leprekon
    Leprekon April 4 2016 10: 39
    0
    Above all praise! You can’t even believe that the article was written by a woman (I didn’t find information anywhere).
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 4 2016 10: 59
    0
    "Russia is not ready for protracted military assistance to the DPR, LPR and even Armenia in the event of a military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan." - All huge warehouses with ammunition and mothballed equipment, Soviet-made, were emptied at once.
  • atamankko
    atamankko April 4 2016 11: 10
    +1
    Timely and competent article, thanks to the author.
  • Yereke
    Yereke April 4 2016 11: 32
    -5
    where is the base of the Russian Federation ... whom will it defend, regardless of who is to blame -Armenia ... who occupied foreign lands-Armenia ... and who is always to blame-Azerbaijan ... And this is the logic of this journalist and probably the majority of Russians are zombified by the TV and lobby of Armenians . Then I am for Azerbaijan !!!
    1. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 14: 37
      0
      Quote: Ereke
      where is the base of the Russian Federation ... whom will it defend, regardless of who is to blame -Armenia ... who occupied foreign lands-Armenia ... and who is always to blame-Azerbaijan ... And this is the logic of this journalist and probably the majority of Russians are zombified by the TV and lobby of Armenians . Then I am for Azerbaijan !!!

      Ti for your cup of kumis, but not for Azerbaijan. ))).
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 April 4 2016 14: 44
      0
      Then I am for Azerbaijan !!!


      But who would doubt that they are always allies for the enemies of their allies.
      In the course of the expression about "our son of a bitch"? Then we will punish ourselves, but for now we must protect. Otherwise, why then unions?
    3. shans2
      shans2 April 5 2016 02: 56
      0
      And I am for Semipalatinsk and the entire northern original Russian territory, which had left under the Bolsheviks to the artificial state-university of Kazakhstan, as artificial as Azerbaijan, wait)
      1. Bquunited
        Bquunited April 5 2016 12: 27
        0
        Rabbit you are a weapon of mass destruction. Your thoughts break your brains. Your original lands are Moscow, Novgorod, and Ryazan Oblast.
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 4 2016 11: 41
    +1
    People! Think it over! People! Think it over! You are all crazy ... request
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 4 2016 12: 39
    +1
    Quote: Ereke
    I can say the same thing about the Russians about the cult of the return of the Crimea was and cried .. in the end ..

    and everyone talks about where he itches. Look at the comments on the Karabakh branches - most of them are again the same bagpipes "Washington", "NATO", "Erdogan", "Donbass", "our underbelly" and others that have little to do with the topic. In the end, the masters of building geopolitical logical chains end up in an odious confrontation between the Russian Federation and the United States and generally forget where they started.
  • Docent1984
    Docent1984 April 4 2016 13: 37
    +1
    My relative took part in the Karabakh conflict, and since then neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis want to have anything to do ... There is hardly anyone good there, but someone bad. But there are the results of a referendum, which was quite fair. After all, all the former Soviet republics that illegally left the USSR, automatically returned to the starting point - December 31 1922 of the year - this is from a legal point of view. Where was NKAO at that time? That’s the whole story. But it is difficult for their elites to accept that even if formal, but sovereignty over this alien territory has been lost. The situation is very similar to that which arose in Abkhazia. The same formal sovereignty, the same reference point, and, alas, the same military losses in peacetime ...

    And, as always, everyone is waiting to see what Russia will do. It seems that our problems in this world are only we are trying to solve ... It is not difficult to predict how everything will end - "Again there is boarding ..."
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 4 2016 13: 45
      0
      According to Western studies, the referendum CANNOT be considered fair "Due to the difficult security situation and persecutions against the Azerbaijani population."

      It was carried out in 1991 and thus by 1922 the sending was incorrect. By the way, just then Nagorno-Karabakh was part of Azerbaijan.
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 April 4 2016 15: 43
        +4
        Why is this incorrect? Azerbaijan appeals to the decisions taken within the USSR. And since he denounced the union treaty, automatically any normative legal acts adopted during the period of membership in the USSR become invalid. And the same decision to create AOC within the AzSSR too. Who was Nagorno-Karabakh before that? Republic. With the right to hold a referendum. And yes, I don't give a damn about the opinions of Western researchers. As well as any adequate person. For all referendums that are not going according to their canvases, in principle, are not held correctly) After March 14, I have been to Crimea many times, and personally communicated with those who were "taken to electoral precincts under automatic weapons" wink Songs about Western justice - this is not even funny)
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 16: 06
          0
          Want legal casuistry? You are welcome. A mistake in your constructions at the very beginning

          "And since he denounced the union treaty, automatically any normative legal acts adopted during the period of membership in the USSR lose force. And the same decision to create AOC within the AzSSR too." Azerbaijan denounced something? I do not know. Maybe. But ALL Republics left the country within the boundaries in which they existed in the USSR. Even Ukraine and Crimea.

          And Russia has declared itself the successor of the USSR and has OBLIGED to fulfill all the agreements concluded by the USSR. These are the results of the Second World War and the Nuclear Disarmament Treaty. And all the rest. According to the Moscow Treaty, Nakhichevan belongs to Azerbaijan and this treaty bears the signature of the representative of the USSR. Nakhichevan is a separate point there and "belongs to Azerbaijan and is not subject to transfer to a third party."

          The fact that the Armenians claim Nakhichevan is not news. The eyes are larger than the stomach.
          1. Docent1984
            Docent1984 April 5 2016 09: 49
            0
            First, remember what document determined the liquidation of the USSR? These are the Bialowieza agreements signed by three parties - the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR. There is no Azerbaijan here. Was a referendum on secession from the USSR within the framework of the legislation in force at that time held? Of course, no) Azerbaijan remained in the legal field of the Constitution of the USSR? Not! That is, Azerbaijan, like all other republics, refused to fulfill the union agreement unilaterally, that is, it denounced this very agreement. In this case, he has no right to appeal to any law, regulation or decree of any organ of the USSR. And until the 1923 of the year, Nagorno-Karabakh was not part of Azerbaijan. But the referendum was held in NKR. The results are known. Do you seriously think that they do not reflect the real state? Well, to be honest, do you really think that Armenia has occupied the NKR, oppresses its inhabitants, is at war with Azerbaijan, and the Karabakh people are sleeping and see how to join it? Well, you know better than us that this is nonsense. You see, we all too implicitly want our empire to recover within the borders of the 1945 of the year, but it is already obvious that this is impossible in principle. You just have to come to terms with the fact that people in the NKR DO NOT WANT to Azerbaijan.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht April 5 2016 11: 59
              0
              A referendum on the preservation of the USSR was held in Azerbaijan and the majority voted to preserve the Union. The referendum was not held in NKR and Armenia. They were for the collapse of the USSR. After the Bialowieza conspiracy, no referendum was held anywhere.

              The referendum on the secession of Karabakh was held in the context of ethnic cleansing. The citizens of NKAR of Azerbaijani origin were not asked. That is why it cannot be considered legal. Do you know the difference between the referendum in Karabakh and the Crimea? Tatar population of Crimea participated in a referendum and therefore still lives in Crimea.

              Is Karabakh depressed as a result of the war? so what's the problem? Will also return as a result of the war. Or will not return. I do not understand then the groans on the site. Whoever sows the wind must wait for the storm.

              Explaining for the hundredth time. I don't need Karabakh now. The status of Karabakh will be determined AFTER the liberation of the AZERBAIJANi regions.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 53
        +1
        According to Western studies, the referendum CANNOT be considered fair "Due to the difficult security situation and persecutions against the Azerbaijani population."


        I would not doubt it. This is the West. Double standards are their bread. They also deny the Crimean referendum. But the Kosovo branch, without any referendum, is the norm.

        By the way, here on your part they cited data on 130 thousand Armenians in the NKAO and 40 thousand Azerbaijanis. So what is the outcome of the referendum? Here, you can't even get enough "carousels" for being a part of Azerbaijan.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 16: 08
          0
          You will not learn how to work with documents. I asked you to read what secession is. There are no carousels of the required number of votes about secession. Secession is not a presidential election where you need 50% and 1 vote. This is a completely different referendum.

          It is difficult to talk to a person who ABSOLUTELY does not own the material. For such there is a definition of "militant illiteracy"
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 37
            0
            It is difficult to talk to a person who ABSOLUTELY does not own the material. For such there is a definition of "militant illiteracy"


            It is difficult to talk with a person who substitutes legal concepts with concepts of justice. For this, too, there is a definition ... but I will not write it, so as not to become like you.
    2. Your friend
      Your friend April 4 2016 14: 35
      0
      Quote: Docent1984
      And, as always, everyone is waiting for what Russia will do.

      I hope Russia will not do anything. This is the business of Azerbaijan and Armenia.
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 April 4 2016 15: 46
        0
        Alas, this will not work ... We do not know how to rake the heat with other hands ...
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 April 4 2016 15: 54
        0
        I hope Russia will not do anything. This is the business of Azerbaijan and Armenia.


        And I honestly hope I do. Only quickly and without unnecessary losses. It seems that we have learned this recently. And both brawlers in the stall.
        1. Your friend
          Your friend April 4 2016 16: 17
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          And I honestly hope I do.

          What are you hoping for? Have you been invited there, invited to rake their problems? Forever, we get into some kind of conflict that is not ours (how are allies / Slavs / little brothers insulted), and then we are surprised when our former brothers spit in our faces.
          Quote: alicante11
          Only quickly and without unnecessary losses.

          Waiting for your suggestions.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 47
            +1
            What are you hoping for? Have you been invited there, invited to rake their problems?


            And we don’t need to invite. We ourselves know where to come to us.

            Forever we get into some kind of conflict


            Well, VD, the situation obliges.

            and then we are surprised when our ex-brothers spit in our face.


            Russia's problem is that we believe that we are replacing the concept of "state" with the concept of "people." For example, the Bulgarians, it would seem, have nowhere to be "brother" (although the Ukrainians are not even brothers, but brothers), but Bulgaria fought two wars on the opposite side. And Ukraine is now screaming heart-rendingly about aggression and genocide of Russians in the Donbass. But these are not peoples, these are states. It's just that the state is stronger than the people and it can crush it. And therefore the fraternal peoples must be protected from unfriendly states. By the way, the Americans have mastered this technology very well. True, for evil. Not for protection, but for the robbery and destruction of peoples.
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            2. Your friend
              Your friend April 4 2016 17: 11
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              Quote: alicante11
              And we don’t need to invite. We ourselves know where to come to us.

              Therefore, the Bulgarian brothers fought in 2 world wars for Germany, therefore, the vast majority of Serbs want to be in the EU, not the Customs Union, therefore, Ukrainians vote in elections for outright Baanders and Nazis, so the Turks bring down our military plane .... Well, we ourselves know where come to us, keep it up.))))
              Quote: alicante11
              Well, VD, the situation obliges.

              What does it oblige to?
              Quote: alicante11
              Russia's problem is that we believe that we are replacing the concept of "state" with the concept of "people." For example, the Bulgarians, it would seem, have nowhere to be "brother" (although the Ukrainians are not even brothers, but brothers), but Bulgaria fought two wars on the opposite side. And Ukraine is now screaming heart-rendingly about aggression and genocide of Russians in the Donbass. But these are not peoples, these are states. It's just that the state is stronger than the people and it can crush it. And therefore the fraternal peoples must be protected from unfriendly states. By the way, the Americans have mastered this technology very well. True, for evil. Not for protection, but for the robbery and destruction of peoples.

              Raw? The Bulgarian people vote for the pro-NATO and pro-EU parties. The Serbian people vote for proesovskie parties. The Ukrainian people vote for the pro-NATO, Bandera parties. And so yes, the people are not to blame, the rulers are to blame. What fantasy world do you live in?
  • puffnutiy
    puffnutiy April 4 2016 13: 41
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    Does anyone have information how many Russians are serving in the army of Azerbaijan? Attack helicopter pilots Azerbaijanis? It seems like Azerbaijan has withdrawn the base for training combat swimmers in the Caspian, how true is this?
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 4 2016 13: 49
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      There are no mercenaries. There is no exact figure. Perhaps some Russians from among the citizens of Azerbaijan serve in aviation. Azerbaijan has a fairly large stratum of the Russian-speaking population. And ethnic Russians too. There are no restrictions on their admission to military schools.
      1. puffnutiy
        puffnutiy April 4 2016 16: 46
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        Mercenaries do not interest me. Moreover, they do not belong to the regular army. I ask about Russians, citizens of Azerbaijan. I have heard that the Azerbaijani army is especially careful not to oppress ethnic Russians. All conditions for normal service are created for them.

        It is especially interesting if ethnic Russians are in this special unit:

        "The Navy also includes a marine battalion and a special naval sabotage and reconnaissance center - military unit 641 (a detachment of combat swimmers), stationed on the seashore, in the Zikh region on the outskirts of Baku (not far from the Naval Academy). the unit is called a brigade. It was created on the material basis of the former naval reconnaissance point of the Caspian Flotilla of the USSR Navy. "

        proof: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/5542

        1. Bakht
          Bakht April 4 2016 17: 02
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          I got out of the discussion.

          Russian citizens of Azerbaijan are called up for military service on a common basis. I have not heard of any privileges. True, my friend once said that he is trying to equip the platoon of management with Russian and Russian-speaking Azerbaijanis. Many instructions and instructions in Russian. A translation is not always good. It is better to read in the original.
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna April 4 2016 14: 01
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    I have a proposal, for Azerbaijanis. For those who are citizens, but not patriots. Why fight, take and redeem Karabakh from the Armenians. You have money, fruits, vegetables, flowers, etc. And still shake the criminal gang. Here and scrape and you can not fight.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 4 2016 14: 18
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      This is funny .... Gumilyov read about Mode?
  • Bakht
    Bakht April 4 2016 16: 27
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    I am leaving the discussion, for the simple reason that the arguments are exhausted. There is no need to hear anything new and constructive. But in English I can’t leave. I advise all lovers of law and law to read the article. Not the fact itself is interesting, but the legal justification of the European Court of Human Rights. Or we live in some kind of legal field or use the right of the strong. Who has a baton heavier. So choose for yourself. With regard to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, the European Court expressed itself very clearly. This is aggression and occupation. There is no other interpretation. If someone believes that he knows more in law than judges, then the flag in his hands and the wind in his hunchback

    http://aze.az/id/120507

    Excerpts

    the war began with calls for the inclusion of Nagorno-Karabakh in Armenia and, in particular, noted in this connection the joint decision on "reunification" adopted in December 1989 by the Supreme Council of the Armenian SSR and the regional council of Nagorno-Karabakh.
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    The court ruled that Nagorno-Karabakh and the Lachin region and other nearby territories are currently under occupation and that the concept of military occupation is applicable to this situation, in accordance with international law.
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    “NKR” is not recognized by the state in accordance with international law, thereby confirming the position of the international community, which rejected this essence and refused to recognize the situation created by force against the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, accompanied by ethnic cleansing and other gross violations of international law, as legal.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 April 4 2016 16: 48
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      Or we live in some kind of legal field or use the right of the strong.


      Or we adhere to the principles of justice.
  • Zeeke
    Zeeke April 4 2016 17: 44
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    As soon as Russia intervenes, they immediately begin to poke a finger and shout the aggressor. Russia is a world evil.
  • Bakht
    Bakht April 4 2016 19: 18
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    http://ru.oxu.az/war/125499
    Destroyed 170 invaders, 12 units of armored vehicles.

    http://haqqin.az/news/67332
    A letter from the Karabakh minister surfaced in social networks
  • tochila
    tochila April 4 2016 20: 14
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    The Karabakh khanate became part of Russia in 1805 and in one of the museums in Moscow there is a certificate on this occasion !! Originally a Russian land !!! Send troops to the Karabakh Way and disperse all the hooliganism there !!!! In the morning they wake up in Stepan at the railway station Polite people !!!
  • iron.white
    iron.white April 4 2016 20: 27
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    It's a shame that they will again begin to look for the hand of Moscow. And I want everyone to tell everyone the truth !!!
  • Bakht
    Bakht April 4 2016 20: 30
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    CSTO Allies betrayed Armenia

    http://www.armenianreport.com/pubs/127558/
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    The Kremlin is to blame for everything!

    http://www.armenianreport.com/pubs/127549/
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    So what is happening in Askeran?

    http://www.armenianreport.com/pubs/127556/
  • Bakht
    Bakht April 4 2016 20: 43
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    Armenia is ready for compromises in the Karabakh settlement.

    As reported by ArmenianReport with reference to the Russian news agency RIA Novosti, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan stated.

    What kind of compromise is in question, it is not specified. But recent events clearly indicate that the country's authorities can surrender part of the territory of Artsakh under the pressure of the same Russia.
  • Xent
    Xent April 4 2016 22: 31
    +1
    Damn, and there appeared mushrooms the heroes of the Internet war. Terrible and immortal, and most importantly quote only what they need ...
    Come on, stand in front of the monitor and save your homeland - Azerbaijan.
    PS Just so as not to point the arrow at me ... I’m already fighting for my own and have time to look here.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 5 2016 00: 04
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      Azerbaijan does not let volunteers go to the front

      http://ru.oxu.az/war/125409
      1. shans2
        shans2 April 5 2016 03: 02
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        Volunteers will immediately tell about the real losses to their relatives in the rear, this is similar to death for Azerbaijan). But to keep soldier’s losses is not a problem.
  • Gulo
    Gulo April 4 2016 23: 05
    +1
    Quote: 72jora72
    But there is also Transnistria, and there are still the same comrades who are ready to bring firewood and splash a petrol .....
    PS And in the Donbass, hailstones have already started to move .....

    Quote: 72jora72
    But there is also Transnistria, and there are still the same comrades who are ready to bring firewood and splash a petrol .....
    PS And in the Donbass, hailstones have already started to move .....


    To this you can add the south of Kyrgyzstan, and until Tajikistan is completely "happy". The picture is not very encouraging. It will be hard for us.
  • estixnumx
    estixnumx April 5 2016 09: 00
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    I know only one thing, complete idiocy is happening now, then it will put everything in its place who is right and who is to blame. This enmity began after Armenia adopted Christianity. At the moment, I can only wish sincere good luck to my colleagues on the other hand, to the military doctors of the Azerbaijan Army, give Allah to help you save many lives. And he himself for that withdrawal because the sofa troops of all the countries concerned have entered into mortal combat. With great respect to all participants in the forum, captain of the military medical service of the Armed Forces of Armenia.
    PS. MAI is an abbreviation of my surname, name and fatherland and not Moscow Aviation, if someone does not understand hi
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 5 2016 21: 51
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    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Volga Cossack
    Thanks Polinushka- another good article! and as for the conflict - I am completely on the side of the Armenians - although there were excesses too - my great-great-grandfather- Cossack defended them from the Turks ........ and Vera that we don’t say alone. Thank you again for the article!

    For the Armenians? And it even seemed to me that I had to be for my country, for my citizens. The next "brothers"? Aren't you bored?
    I said something against my country ????? No! I said Against Muslims ???? no - I just said from the massacre - by the way by the Muslims - the Cossacks saved the Armenians! and it is a fact!
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 5 2016 22: 08
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    Quote: Volga Cossack
    Quote: Your friend
    Quote: Volga Cossack
    Thanks Polinushka- another good article! and as for the conflict - I am completely on the side of the Armenians - although there were excesses too - my great-great-grandfather- Cossack defended them from the Turks ........ and Vera that we don’t say alone. Thank you again for the article!

    For the Armenians? And it even seemed to me that I had to be for my country, for my citizens. The next "brothers"? Aren't you bored?
    I said something against my country ????? No! I said Against Muslims ???? no - I just said from the massacre - by the way by the Muslims - the Cossacks saved the Armenians! and it is a fact!
    I said something about the state religion in Russia, again - NO !!! REDUCE SUDARI! So anything can be interpreted!
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 6 2016 07: 41
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    Quote: Wolfhound
    and such citizens, even for blacks, privations with all socialist determination to send others into battle, and to fight on the couch on the TV

    Are you talking to me????? Ali know me personally ?????? here it’s right past - I’m not sending into battle and taking away not a couch warrior. unlike apparently from you !!!! And who are you, let me ask ???? Beloletochnik ????
  • Marat07
    Marat07 April 23 2017 00: 51
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    Few people remember how the initiation of the Karabakh problem in Armenia began systematically, thoughtfully and cunningly.

    By the decision of the USSR government, a chemical plant of high power was to be built in Kazan until 1992. The Armenian functionaries in the Central Committee of the CPSU and the State Planning Commission of the USSR managed to achieve, as has often happened in the past, the transfer of this construction to Abovyan.

    In the late 80s, an environmental non-governmental committee was unexpectedly created, which organizes demonstrations against the construction of this plant with the slogans: "Crystal air - the wealth of Armenia", "Air of Armenia - the future of Armenia", etc. And suddenly (suddenly!) These slogans disappear and slogans about supporting separatism in the NKAO appear: "Karabakh is an exam of perestroika!", "Moscow, restore justice!" etc., and the committee on ecology turns into a committee on Karabakh.

    Separatism in the NKAR began under social slogans.

    One of the main arguments of the Karabakh separatists was that the number of Armenians in the NKAO, in percentage terms, is decreasing.

    And this main PR argument of the Armenian side was a big lie, and, unfortunately, to this day they are used to deceive world public opinion. The percentage really decreased, but the reasons were not those that Armenian ideologists spoke of.