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Theodosia shipyard "Sea" will begin to build rocket ships

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After the necessary modernization, the Feodosia plant “More” will receive an order for the construction of small rocket ships (MRK), reports RIA News message of Dmitry Rogozin.


Theodosia shipyard "Sea" will begin to build rocket ships


The plant was nationalized in May 2014-th after the annexation of the Crimea to the Russian Federation and for a long time stood idle without orders. Earlier, the issue of possible investments in the enterprise from the St. Petersburg "Pella" was discussed.

Rogozin promised that the first stage of the modernization of the plant’s capacities would pass until the autumn. “Everything that is trash (old Ukrainian orders), we will sort it all out and clean the workshop,” he said.

He said that the shipyard "during this year will increase the capacity of the slip-device launching ships, after which the shipyard will receive more serious orders, including the production of small rocket ships."

So far, the plant "produces some kind of cutters," Rogozin added.

Help Agency: "Plant" Sea "- a manufacturer of military and civilian ships: ships on hydrofoils, air cushions, air-caverns, gliding, as well as yachts and boats with hulls of aluminum-magnesium alloys. In Soviet times, the shipyard made amphibious assault ships of the Zubr type, unique anti-submarine ships of the Sokol project. ”
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RIA News. Sergey Mamontov
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  1. Gorynovich
    Gorynovich April 3 2016 11: 32
    +32
    Great! Rather, the "Zaliv" in Kerch would be involved - a unique shipyard!
    1. SHAMAN
      SHAMAN April 3 2016 11: 41
      +7
      So far, the plant "produces some kind of cutters," Rogozin added.

      Well accepted and waiting! With money, I think there will be no problem .. But specialists? The main problem here ... So decide! Timing is running out and the situation in the world ... We remember Rogozin!
      1. cniza
        cniza April 3 2016 11: 59
        +5
        With personnel yes a problem, but I think that from Nikolaev it will be possible to attract.
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 April 3 2016 16: 34
          +5
          With personnel yes a problem, but I think that from Nikolaev it will be possible to attract.
          Together with the city and the region. And 2 years ago.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 3 2016 11: 46
      +5
      Came across, Svidomo shipbuilders from Nikolaev? Now to work in Russian Feodosia! laughing
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo April 3 2016 12: 24
        +2
        During my time, the guys from Nikolaev worked in Volgograd (Krasnoarmeysk) on a slip for the renovation of Volgoneft tankers (and mine was there at that time) and on the construction of new ships for Palmali. This was in 207-2003, although in Nikolaev in I have been to the Nikotera berth myself, so there are probably few shipbuilders left in Nikolaev.
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 3 2016 11: 55
      +9
      Video topic:

      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 April 3 2016 13: 11
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Video topic:

        seemed to me or not?
        Rogozin, Aksyonov and a representative of the "tipsy" plant - their eyes run strangely or are tired lol
        1. Victor N
          Victor N April 3 2016 14: 20
          +4
          Nonsense! Only business was progressing
          "I will drink the ship, but I will not disgrace the fleet" - everything is in the spirit of good traditions.
    4. Monge
      Monge April 3 2016 12: 04
      0
      Rather, the "Zaliv" in Kerch would be involved - a unique shipyard!
      And it would be even more likely that the capacities were used in Nikolaev. Russian aircraft carriers would not be in the way. Poroshenko must be "persuaded"
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 April 3 2016 12: 09
      +13
      So, the Gulf works as much as it can. They launched AK Bars, immediately received the landing of shipbuilders, machine tools and firm orders. Now there are already more 2000 workers working there, against 800 earlier. The same Sea, for example - a year of boobs is crumpled, in the USC is not, in AK Bars is not, Pelle is not, nobody is.

      In the Gulf now:
      2 tanker for MO - 20k tons each, delivery of 2019, but the availability is very low. The plant is not yet ready for this. Here is the video - only one head section and small assemblies are assembled.


      2 search rescuer - A163 also until the 2019 year.

      They will also complete the Oceans (pr. 22100) for the FSB - after crossing the Volga-Don from Zelenodolsk.

      They still want to build a large passenger ship, but the customer fears for failure to meet deadlines. While there are estimates and bidding in general.
    6. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS April 3 2016 12: 16
      +3
      Quote: Gorynovich
      Rather, the "Zaliv" in Kerch would be involved - a unique shipyard!

      Yes, "Zaliv" will be more powerful, "Zaliv" has a dry dock.
      It seems that the Kerch "Zaliv" is very promising for the military-industrial complex.
    7. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim April 3 2016 13: 59
      +3
      Let me add to the agency's reference: The Sea shipyard was also the largest manufacturer of civil hydrofoil vessels of the Cyclone, Kometa, Voskhod, Olympia types.
    8. little girl15
      little girl15 April 3 2016 15: 21
      +1
      It's great! All shipyards in Russia are loaded with orders. And this shipyard will start producing small-tonnage vessels.
  2. lis-ik
    lis-ik April 3 2016 11: 32
    +2
    It will just produce exactly what is needed for the Black Sea Fleet, so as not to deliver to the circle.
  3. Dart2027
    Dart2027 April 3 2016 11: 35
    +11
    I wonder if it will be possible to build corvettes on it.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik April 3 2016 11: 38
      +9
      If the Zubr was built and anti-submarine, then probably the corvette will also master.
    2. Gorynovich
      Gorynovich April 3 2016 11: 54
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      I wonder if it will be possible to build corvettes on it.

      This is not even so important - let specialization steers.
      Why did I mention the "Bay" above - there you can build all - Before supertankers riveted.
      And "More" will now be revived. Pleases!
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 April 3 2016 11: 54
      +9
      What kind? 20380 is difficult to learn and that's it. Only on Amursky there are still contracted but not mortgaged.

      20385 - there will generally be a series of 2 boxes. The rest were canceled.

      New 20386 - it is doubtful that the Sea will take it right away.

      It is necessary to swing on the small, all sorts of Grachata, "cutters" for the FSB and MRK. Then, already, and for the corvette, you can take it. No, you can lay down even tomorrow and even an interstellar cruiser. But the result will be the same as with Perfect at the NEA.
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      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik April 3 2016 12: 11
        +3
        A question for you, as a knowledgeable person, seven corvettes 20380 were planned, whether they entered service, and what is there with "Perfect" because this is project 20385, if I'm not mistaken, and are they in service?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 3 2016 13: 20
          +10
          Not. Perfect regular 20380 with Redoubt and Fourke. No, he’s not in service, but in completion.

          The last 20380 with SV - will receive a new mast under the normal TsU Redutam.



          In action now:
          Stereguschiy - head with Cortic-M
          Clever, Steadfast, Brisk - with Redoubt.

          The rest are under construction.

          Loud build on the NEA - but the timing will be torn off for sure. In the video about Aldar, he is close-up, only the case is assembled.
          Aldar Tsydenjapov is only gaining


          Corvettes without UKKS - Retive and Strict plan to hand over in the 2019 year, in fact, only a new mast is officially confirmed on them, they can surrender from Furke Gromky and Aldar to the NPS, while it is not clear:
          Viktor Chirkov said that the new ships will be distinguished by new electronic weapons.

          Corvettes with UKKS Thundering and Agile are building on the NE. For Thundering from Kolomna, an import-substituting power plant came. But this is bad, since the installation is completely identical to 20380, and the corvette is heavier by 500 tons. Plus reliability, plans to use them as corvettes of the far zone - it seems gone. Thundering himself is in good readiness and there they were waiting from Kolomna for parcels with diesels and a gearbox in fact. Coming soon to water in high alert.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik April 3 2016 19: 15
            0
            Many thanks!
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 3 2016 13: 45
        +4
        As far as I know, in the USSR ships of the 3rd rank were produced there, but once the plant will be modernized. it is quite possible that a reserve for the construction of ships of the 2nd rank will be foreseen. This is interesting to me.
        Quote: donavi49
        It’s necessary to swing about a little

        I know this and wrote in the future tense.
        Quote: Dart2027
        will it be possible

        Now definitely not.
        Quote: donavi49
        plans to use them as corvettes of the far zone - it seems gone

        But were you going to? In my opinion, the far zone is frigates
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 3 2016 15: 29
          0
          But were you going to? In my opinion, the far zone is frigates


          Gathered, 20385 had to patrol and be present at other theaters, for example in the SPM, Atlantic and Aden as the same BNC / TFR 11540, with the reception of supplies at sea / from friendly bases. In general, go to three months. 20380, at least until the gas ducts of the new design prove their effectiveness (they’re putting them on the Stereguschiy right now) - they’ll definitely not let out from the Baltic, because the fires are constant.
      4. Haloperidol
        Haloperidol April 3 2016 14: 21
        +3
        Who told you that 20380 is ALL ?! 20.02.2015/20380/15 at Severnaya Verf (St. Petersburg) the corvettes “Zealous” and “Strogiy” were laid down. These are multipurpose missile frigates, such ships are needed by Russia as air. Such as you usually criticize 21631 for its low autonomy of 10 days, but your vaunted MRK 40 have an autonomy of only 10 days, do not have anti-submarine weapons, and their air defense MANPADS `` Flexible '' with its ability to intercept air targets with a XNUMX% probability causes only laughter and tears. And people like you rejoiced when RTOs with an autonomy of XNUMX days were driven to Syria, despite the fact that they are defenseless against Turkish submarines and almost defenseless against aviation. You yourself are not funny at your writing ?! People like you will bring Russia to the new Tsushima and they will ask for it from people like you.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 3 2016 15: 24
          +2
          Because the last 20380 at NE is laid and is being built, under the contract. I wrote about them:
          Corvettes without UKKS - Retive and Strict plan to hand over in the 2019 year, in fact, only a new mast is officially confirmed on them, they can surrender from Furke Gromky and Aldar to the NPS, while it is not clear:
          Viktor Chirkov said that the new ships will be distinguished by new electronic weapons.

          Further it is not clear what they will build on SV - maybe the new 20386, or maybe not.

          And you all mixed up. These are never frigates. These are corvettes with big problems in the reliability of the power plant (this is partly why they chose a reliable MTU for heavier corvettes with UKKS - to use them in the far zone). And the current 20380 with Redoubt (namely, Stable, Quick, Smart and Perfect - have problems with target designation for missiles through Furke - at Thundering and Agile, as well as Retive and Strict will put a new tower with fixed radar blades, but that's what they put on Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Loud unclear either Furke or the new mast).

          And yet, 20380 does not have UKKS, they can not be compared with 21631 RTOs. For the goals are different, for RTOs - striking at ground, surface targets. And 20380 has multifunctional tasks in the near sea zone.
          1. Haloperidol
            Haloperidol April 3 2016 16: 02
            +6
            Quote: donavi49
            Because the last 20380 at NE is laid and is being built, under the contract. I wrote about them:
            Corvettes without UKKS - Retive and Strict plan to hand over in the 2019 year, in fact, only a new mast is officially confirmed on them, they can surrender from Furke Gromky and Aldar to the NPS, while it is not clear:
            Viktor Chirkov said that the new ships will be distinguished by new electronic weapons.

            Further it is not clear what they will build on SV - maybe the new 20386, or maybe not.

            And you all mixed up. These are never frigates. These are corvettes with big problems in the reliability of the power plant (this is partly why they chose a reliable MTU for heavier corvettes with UKKS - to use them in the far zone). And the current 20380 with Redoubt (namely, Stable, Quick, Smart and Perfect - have problems with target designation for missiles through Furke - at Thundering and Agile, as well as Retive and Strict will put a new tower with fixed radar blades, but that's what they put on Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Loud unclear either Furke or the new mast).

            And yet, 20380 does not have UKKS, they can not be compared with 21631 RTOs. For the goals are different, for RTOs - striking at ground, surface targets. And 20380 has multifunctional tasks in the near sea zone.

            1) UKSK is at 20385, which will be supplied with diesel from 20380. MTU was installed because the furniture maker Serdyukov was driving, he was going to buy tanks in Italy, despite the fact that there are no decent tanks in Italy. This is a story of kickbacks and bribes from a thief, Monument '', which is related to Dimon Aifonchik and therefore is not subject to jurisdiction ... Reliability problems were mainly on the first non-serial corvette 'Guarding', on serial ships there are noticeably fewer problems. There are also problems with reliability with Ukrainian turbines, which were purchased for frigates 11365 and 22350. The turbine on Gorshkov simply burned out, but Serdyukov bought them because a corrupt furniture maker who received kickbacks from foreign manufacturers. 2) By versatility and the firepower of corvettes 20380 is almost as good as frigates, the main difference is only in autonomy, for frigates it is greater. 3) A contract has been signed for the construction of six more 20385 at Severnaya Verf (St. Petersburg) and three 20380 at the Amur. The diesel engines on them will be the same, possibly the Redut air defense system will be replaced with the Shtil air defense system, as was done on two corvettes which is now being built by Severnaya Verf (St. Petersburg) for Algeria. 4) Already built corvettes 20380 are quite different from each other. “Guarding” has a ZRAK “Kortik-M”, and the others have 12 “Redoubt” air defense missile systems each, so is it worth considering another type of corvette if “Redoubt” is replaced with “Calm” ?!
    4. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan April 3 2016 11: 59
      +7
      You can build corvettes if you wish. In the same Zelenodolsk, in which now only MRK Buyan-M are being built, in Soviet times, frigates were built, and now a `` bad dancer '' like fluttering Rogozkin, trousers '' interfere.
      1. yahont
        yahont April 3 2016 20: 48
        0
        You can build corvettes if you wish. In the same Zelenodolsk, in which now only MRK Buyan-M are being built, in Soviet times, frigates were built, and now a `` bad dancer '' like fluttering Rogozkin, trousers '' interfere.
        I dare to note that in Zelenodolsk they are building not only the Buyan-M MRK, but also patrol ships of the project 22160, the contract was signed for 6 ships, in tab 3, in 2017, if God willing, the first ship will be released, in terms of tonnage the ship is akin to the corvette of the project 20385, but surpasses it in autonomy and range by 2-3 times, so we'll wait. smile
        1. Phosgene
          Phosgene April 3 2016 21: 43
          +2
          The patrol ships of Project 22160 are the largest school of the Russian Ministry of Defense. There is no anti-submarine weapons at all, and as standard armament, the 57 mm cannon and the Gibka MANPADS have a probability of intercepting an air target of no more than 40%. On such a ship, only to drive poachers near the coast is no longer good. They write that it is possible to put rockets on it, but they are silent about the fact that it will take a lot of time to install the rockets, because some of the fuel tanks will have to be dismantled to place them. which will lead to a reduction in the cruising range. The most useless ships ordered for the Russian fleet. One gets the impression that this is the construction of RTOs instead of multipurpose well-armed ships - deliberate sabotage of the rearmament of the Russian fleet and high treason.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 April 3 2016 22: 53
            0
            Quote: Phosgene
            On such a ship, it’s not good to drive poachers only, near the coast, for more

            So they are built to carry out border patrol services, including chasing poachers. Such ships are also needed and they have their own tasks. The possibility of placing missiles touched this in case it completely shed.
            1. Phosgene
              Phosgene April 3 2016 23: 05
              +1
              Why then autonomy of 60 days, on a ship on which you can only drive poachers, off their shores ?! Maybe it’s better to immediately build ships with decent weapons, because if you lock it, there will be no time to remake the ship ?!
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 April 3 2016 23: 17
                0
                Quote: Phosgene
                Why then autonomy of 60 days, on a ship on which you can only drive poachers, off their shores ?!

                Do you think this is not necessary? Or do you think cruisers should be used for this? Yes, we need BC of the 2nd and 1st ranks - this is a fact. But ships are also needed for other tasks, and the possibility of arming was most likely done according to the principle - let it be better, even if it is not useful.
                1. Phosgene
                  Phosgene April 3 2016 23: 33
                  +3
                  Yes, I think the construction of relatively large and overly weakly armed ships is a mistake, especially against the background of frankly insufficient funding and low rates of construction of new warships. It is possible to drive poachers off their shores on cheaper, smaller ships, and the money that is wasted on 22160 would be better spent on Project 12418 missile boats, each of which carries 16 Uranium anti-ship missiles, a 76 mm automatic cannon and two six-barreled automatic cannons 30 mm. Turkey has a fairly large fleet and missile boats, each of which would be armed with 16 Uranium anti-ship missiles of the Russian Black Sea Fleet would definitely not hurt.
  4. Primipilus
    Primipilus April 3 2016 11: 36
    +5
    Great news, now there are shipyard piles on the Black Sea. We will forge iron without leaving the box office.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 3 2016 11: 39
    +9
    "Feodosia shipyard" More "will start building rocket ships"
    Well, great. Let them build.
    By the way, yesterday I bought a couple of bottles of Crimean wine. I tried it with my wife in the evening. Class! The price is super quality. "Georgian-Moldovan" wine adus.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas April 3 2016 11: 55
      +4
      Quote: Observer2014
      "Feodosia shipyard" More "will start building rocket ships"
      Well, great. Let them build.
      By the way, yesterday I bought a couple of bottles of Crimean wine. I tried it with my wife in the evening. Class! The price is super quality. "Georgian-Moldovan" wine adus.


      My wife and I have long been a year and a half, as the Crimean got hooked.

      How everything was decided with Crimea, I went to the store, where I usually buy wine, there is a consultant in the department, I ask:
      - how is it with patriotism?
      He brings me to a shelf with Crimean wine, shows:
      - everything is fine!

      Lately, especially good Saperavi

      Cheese for wine, however, so far only Argentinean suits, but meat is all ours

      Warships are needed, especially since there is its own production base at the Black Sea Fleet. Let this be a push for the shipyard, so that we can switch to civilian products.


    2. 23424636
      23424636 April 3 2016 17: 50
      +2
      300 BC Chersonesus exported 1 million buckets of wine corked in amphorae while the Gauls (French) ran through the forests with clubs. The best of the wineries Evpatoria trademark "Galitsinskie wines" - cheap and cheerful.
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 3 2016 11: 39
    +3
    All sorts of watercraft are needed, all sorts of watercraft are important. Boats and yachts are in demand, why it was not clear. In general, this is a hereditary disease among Crimeans, everyone is waiting, as in a restaurant, when they bring an order, it’s time to rebuild, you do not live in Ukraine.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad April 3 2016 11: 45
      +1
      “Everything that is trash (old Ukrainian orders), we will sort it all out and clean the workshop”
      I wonder what prevented this from being done by ourselves in two years ?. Crimean production needs to be loaded until the specialists have scattered.
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    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik April 3 2016 12: 17
      +1
      They are busy with others, for example, in Sevastopol, everyone is at war with the Changer, but they complain about life, I sometimes read "Outpost-Sevastopol".
  7. lis-ik
    lis-ik April 3 2016 11: 39
    +2
    Quote: Primipilus
    Great news, now there are shipyard piles on the Black Sea. We will forge iron without leaving the box office.

    This is of course very good, only Rogozin is a well-known "projector".
  8. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 3 2016 11: 40
    +3
    The main thing ... to maintain a certain equilibrium ... to load the plant with those products ... that had not previously been announced at other shipyards ... and why is it necessary to have a state defense order ?? ... we have half of the tankers participating in the northern delivery of Chinese-made ... might think about the civilian segment ... And it would be nice to have our own design bureau ... you see your projects will be successful ...
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 3 2016 11: 40
    +2
    It would be more likely for Russia to get the Nikolaev shipyard, where aircraft carriers were built.
    Hope for Ukraine’s accession to Russia is not yet necessary.
    But this will happen sooner or later.
    Maybe Ukraine will sell it to Russia?
    This would be a good option for our countries.
    1. cap
      cap April 3 2016 11: 44
      +6
      Quote: Pvi1206
      It would be more likely for Russia to get the Nikolaev shipyard, where aircraft carriers were built.
      Hope for Ukraine’s accession to Russia is not yet necessary.
      But this will happen sooner or later.
      Maybe Ukraine will sell it to Russia?
      This would be a good option for our countries.


      You do not forget who is the master of Ukraine. Rather, they will burn it than give it to Russia.
      And that they themselves will not master the "bite".
      But this will happen (integration or cooperation) only when Ukraine wakes up on its own.
      Sensible shipbuilders have long been in Russia with Russian passports.
      Where they work is not important. But I am responsible for the info.
      That something like this. hi
    2. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan April 3 2016 11: 56
      +5
      Russia has shipyards in St. Petersburg and in the north capable of building aircraft carriers and nuclear-powered cruisers. The aircraft carrier for India was being completed in the north, without any Ukraine. Rogozin is like an alcoholic-Yeltsin, just waggle his tongue. Yeltsin promised to lie down on the rails and did not lie down, Rogozin promised a tooth and did not keep his word, yap rotten. They cannot, and most importantly not want to provide Russia with new universal missile frigates and corvettes, which are necessary, among other things, for the escort of landing, transport and aircraft-carrying ships, what kind of aircraft carriers are there? Until such `` generals '' as Trepach-Rogozkin are in prison in Russia, nothing good should be expected for theft and disruption of the state defense order.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. April 3 2016 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        Until such `` generals '' as Trepach-Rogozkin are in prison in Russia, nothing good can be expected for theft and disruption of the state defense order.

        This is too much.
        Although the main practically agree.

        We have an interesting moment in the life of the state.
        If you don’t steal, he’s already a good person.
        But a good person. not a profession.
        So they scored decent non-professionals in managers.
        Hopefully, soon, with the mass grabs will be done away with. They will stop brazenly "cutting" the state order ...

        Then honest managers will be obliged to give way to professionals - those. whom there are not many left, and those who are now working on mini-salaries under the control of either poorly educated or resourceful egoists.
        1. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan April 3 2016 12: 54
          +8
          Quote: Sergey S.
          Quote: Corvetkapitan
          Until such `` generals '' as Trepach-Rogozkin are in prison in Russia, nothing good can be expected for theft and disruption of the state defense order.

          This is too much.
          Although the main practically agree.

          We have an interesting moment in the life of the state.
          If you don’t steal, he’s already a good person.
          But a good person. not a profession.
          So they scored decent non-professionals in managers.
          Hopefully, soon, with the mass grabs will be done away with. They will stop brazenly "cutting" the state order ...

          Then honest managers will be obliged to give way to professionals - those. whom there are not many left, and those who are now working on mini-salaries under the control of either poorly educated or resourceful egoists.

          1) Tell me which of them does not steal and why the thieves are not in prison ?! How many scandals have been about theft and not paying workers wages during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, and why was no one imprisoned, that there were no guilty ones ?! 2) How many other untalented and stealing officials receiving huge salaries are you going to load on the people’s neck, and what do you think the people are good for ?! For me, this is the wording - “Dismiss in connection with the inconsistency of the position held”, this is just for those who are stupid and do not steal, if any. In Russia, almost 150 million people live and, if desired, you can find both smart and those who do not steal, there would be a desire, but the desire is visible only in the fact that they recruit stupid thieves, but thieves, such as Serdyukov, with his relationship with Dimon Aifonchik.
          1. Victor N
            Victor N April 3 2016 14: 42
            0
            Yes, for any business to find willing and able to work, and not "get", even from 150 million - a big problem!
            You, my dear, definitely have a "manie" to plant. This is too serious, do not get carried away.
            1. Haloperidol
              Haloperidol April 3 2016 15: 02
              +6
              Do you want to continue calling the universities the names of thieves and crooks, whose anti-national reforms have driven millions of Russian citizens into the coffin, like Gaidar, and erect monuments to the alcoholic-EBN ?! “A thief should be in jail,” and universities should be called worthy names, not the names of cattle, which has a place on the gallows! I would like to see the University of Peter the Great in Russia, not the thief and crook Gaidar!
          2. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. April 3 2016 18: 26
            -3
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            Tell me which of them does not steal and why the thieves are not in prison ?! How many scandals have been about theft and not paying workers wages during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, and why nobody was imprisoned, that there are no guilty ones ?!

            All indiscriminately .... I do not understand, it’s impossible.

            I am sure that V.V. Putin, S.K. Shoigu. N.P. Patrushev ...

            And Rogozin does not steal ...

            Another thing is that their salary level does not correspond to the legalized minimum wage.
            this is not about theft, but about modesty, sensitivity, compassion and conscience.

            And yet, after EBN, now the leaders are much more decent. At least, rumors do not stick to some of the ministers, just as they are not trying to cheat them.
            1. owl
              owl April 3 2016 19: 56
              +5
              Quote: Sergey S.
              I am sure that V.V. Putin, S.K. Shoigu. N.P. Patrushev ...

              And Rogozin does not steal ...

              Another thing is that their salary level does not correspond to the legalized minimum wage.
              this is not about theft, but about modesty, sensitivity, compassion and conscience.


              You either put on "cowards" or take off a star with a hammer and sickle!
              1. Sergey S.
                Sergey S. April 4 2016 00: 36
                -2
                Quote: gufo
                You either put on "cowards" or take off a star with a hammer and sickle!

                Somehow I don’t really want to answer ... But ....

                It is not necessary to simplify the situation to the limit.
                Otherwise, a war without hope of survival ...
                Even the Revolution needs allies. at least temporary.
                Even the notorious bastards in certain conditions showed humanity and justice.

                And if there is now in people, even with a bit of delusion, a sense of perspectiveness and the establishment of a social system, one does not have to crumble it into fetid dust.

                But it’s totally bad about everyone - it’s clearly in the hands of our enemies.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS April 4 2016 00: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  I am sure that V.V. Putin, S.K. Shoigu. N.P. Patrushev ...

                  And Rogozin does not steal ...

                  Blessed is he who believes.
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  But it’s totally bad about everyone - it’s clearly in the hands of our enemies.

                  You first find out who our enemies are.
                  If from a class point of view, then the enemies are just those whom you listed.
                  and if you pour water on the mill of the bourgeoisie, then
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  You either put on "cowards" or take off a star with a hammer and sickle!

                  1. Sergey S.
                    Sergey S. April 4 2016 19: 47
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    First you find out who our enemies are. If from a class point of view, then the enemies are precisely those whom you have listed. And if you pour water on the mill of the bourgeoisie, then

                    That you understand the basics of the theory and practice of revolutionary struggle.
                    For example, the leaders of peasant and proletarian revolutions were anyone, but not peasants and proletarians.

                    Friedrich Engels - one of the most prominent grave diggers of capitalism - was generally a manufacturer.
                    Russian revolutions were made on the voluntary donations of Morozov.

                    Lenin, Trotsky, Plekhanov - not from the poor ...

                    And if they were all forced to remove the Red Star and the sickle with a hammer, then the poor and the proletariat would have failed ...

                    You need to look at today's affairs.
                    The leaders of Russia are so closely watched by all Western intelligence agencies that if there was something criminal, all ears would have buzzed for a long time.

                    And so one empty chatter and holy simplicity with a silly gullible honor ...
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 April 3 2016 12: 49
        -1
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        While in Russia such `` generals '' as Trepach-Rogozkin are not in prison, for theft

        Yes, you what! And why did Rogozin steal this? He can probably be accused of overly optimistic promises, but not theft! On the contrary, more than he did in the defense industry, no one brought criminal cases! Can you give as an example, someone who was at this place better than him?
        In the USSR, it was Beria, but he had other methods and possibilities.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 3 2016 12: 56
          +8
          Quote: Stas157
          Can you give as an example, someone who was at this place better than him?

          Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 April 3 2016 13: 00
            -1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov

            Well you woke up! The Soviet Union is no longer in the yard! And from the last? For that matter, Beria was perfect in this place, which I wrote about.
      3. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx April 3 2016 22: 01
        +7
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        Russia has shipyards in St. Petersburg and in the north capable of building aircraft carriers and nuclear cruisers. Aircraft carrier for India was completed just in the north, without any Ukraine

        What kind of shipyards are there in Russia? Let me ask you, which aircraft carriers can build? Just do not about the Baltic plant and Sevmash. The eagles were built at the Baltic Shipyard, but he was no longer engaged in military shipbuilding for a very long time, and Peter was let down there with such a creak. So without modernization, this plant will not pull.
        At the expense of Sevmash. There are three covered elengs. The so-called 40, 50 and 55 workshops. We are interested in the latter. So 50 workshop was built in 39 and has two slipway positions and 55 in the 70s and has three slipway lines. When designing 55 workshops, it was decided to descend through a common launching complex, the so-called bulk pool. It is clear that you are not a carrier or a cruiser in Elengi. Or the trigger weight will be 40-50%
        There is only one option left: use the bulk pool as a dry dock. Here is a photo of how they are doing it now. In the background are 50 workshops. So if you are planning to build an aircraft carrier there, then you can forget about the rest of the orders. (We will not see the launch of new boats on the descent until the age of 18). So Sevmash disappears. And it's cold there from scratch in the wind to sculpt a ship. And there is no tap.
        Ps A spoonful of honey. In the bulk pool, active work is underway on the starboard side of Nakhimov. They strengthen the base, prepare a pile field, expand the gateway. Which indirectly confirms that after 18 years 2 buildings will be driven there.
      4. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx April 3 2016 22: 17
        +5
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        Russia has shipyards in St. Petersburg and in the north capable of building aircraft carriers and nuclear cruisers. Aircraft carrier for India was completed just in the north, without any Ukraine


        Continuing the topic. This is Lazarev after returning from 30 ship repair. At the native pier. So it’s interesting. He was not only painted, but also restored all overboard fittings and the hull below the waterline. They cleaned up the cabins and cockpits, at the fighting posts and the bridge. But the most interesting thing is that equipment and apparatuses were demanted from him, like in Nakhimov. Maybe a place is being prepared for him. winked Well, I don’t believe that such efforts are just for the sake of scrap, fool Everything indicates that this is a preparation for towing.
        And by the way, from the zero slipway in Nikolaev there was a heap (rather a bunch) of metal, which I think will not be there soon.
        1. Phosgene
          Phosgene April 4 2016 00: 21
          +4
          I hope that you are right and the Russian fleet will retain at least three nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type. I agree with Sevmash and its loading by the construction of nuclear submarines. Peter remains, and it does not matter that they have not built large warships for a long time, but they have built civil, for example the icebreaker `` 50 years of victory. '' Of course, civilian shipbuilding is different from the military, but in St. Petersburg it will be easier to build a new destroyer of the type `` Leader '', or an aircraft carrier, than to count on the Ukrainian Nikolaev so far. After the dill from the Nikolaev factories there is little left, and if it starts there, as in the Donbas, then nothing will remain at all. And the construction of multipurpose corvettes 20380-20385 should be continued, but in Kaliningrad and Zelenodolsk, since the turbines for frigates and corvettes 11661 are not yet ready.
  10. Mercenary
    Mercenary April 3 2016 11: 41
    +1
    This is a job for the people and the navy for the boss and the people! Sensibly, and then wait for the Nikolaev partisans. laughing
  11. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch April 3 2016 11: 41
    +4
    As I understand it, soon specialists from other factories will go to Feodosia on long business trips. But RTOs will not soon see where the cajol visited - the Jew has nothing to do.
  12. xam0
    xam0 April 3 2016 11: 43
    +3
    So far, the plant "produces some kind of cutters," Rogozin added.
    He also said that after 20 years of "ownership" of the usraina, the plant looks like it has been bombed. Well, nothing, now we will restore it and it will still serve for the glory of the Russian fleet.
  13. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan April 3 2016 11: 47
    +1
    `` Make the fool pray to God, so he will pierce his forehead. '' In Russia, two shipyards are already building RTOs of two types, not only does this violate the earlier decision to abandon the multitype of ships, due to the complexity and high cost of their maintenance, but also slows down the replenishment of the fleet with multipurpose frigates and corvettes that it really needs. Turkey has 14 low-noise submarines, the lion's share of which has missile weapons, in the form of Harpoon missiles with an underwater launch, and MRKs against submarines of a potential enemy are completely defenseless and useless. Why not start building more universal missile corvettes 20385, with domestic engines, installed on 20380, capable of fighting both submarines and striking with caliber missiles at ground targets ?!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 3 2016 13: 37
      0
      Quote: Corvetkapitan
      Why not start building more universal rocket corvettes
      Again wrecking and tyranny of stupid and corrupt officials

      Because the plant is just recovering from the consequences of "independence". Life is not a computer game and setting up production will take time. It's better to start with RTOs, which won't be superfluous either, but we'll see. If, however, lay something more serious right now, then I'm afraid that it will turn out to be another long-term construction.
      1. Haloperidol
        Haloperidol April 3 2016 14: 08
        +3
        It’s better to learn how to build what you need right away than to learn to do what you don’t really need, and then retrain.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 April 3 2016 14: 59
          0
          Why retrain? In short.
          First, we need skilled workers who are able to qualitatively embody in metal what the designers came up with. That is, the culture of production. I would like to make a mistake, but I'm afraid that the quality of the first or second products will be average, simply because people did not have normal work.
          Secondly, we need to fully integrate plant management into our structures. There may also be different miracles.
          In general, let them earn the main thing, and there everything will be decided in the working order ..
          1. Haloperidol
            Haloperidol April 3 2016 15: 29
            +5
            Because the set of the hull of a larger ship will differ from the set of the hull of RTOs, the metal there will be thicker and therefore the welders will have to retrain. But what can I tell you, it’s hard to explain something to a person who has not worked in large-scale production for one day. Other equipment is needed, dies, machines, you can’t imagine how expensive it is and how difficult it is to transfer production that produced one product to the production of another. Now they do not require anything from the Crimeans except building hulls, the rest of the equipment will be installed and set up by visiting specialists, but it is not MRCs that need to be built, but universal warships, all the more so since the fleet does not receive much money, which means they need to build the most. submarines are useless.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 April 3 2016 15: 43
              0
              Quote: Haloperidol
              the metal will be thicker there and therefore the welders will have to retrain

              For a normal welder, this is not a problem.
              Quote: Haloperidol
              and how difficult is it to transfer production that produced one product to the production of another
              Well, why can I imagine. Only in the process of technical development does this happen every few years.
              1. Haloperidol
                Haloperidol April 3 2016 16: 15
                +5
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Haloperidol
                the metal will be thicker there and therefore the welders will have to retrain

                For a normal welder, this is not a problem.
                Quote: Haloperidol
                and how difficult is it to transfer production that produced one product to the production of another
                Well, why can I imagine. Only in the process of technical development does this happen every few years.

                1) For normal ?! The fact of the matter is that for a welder who has already cooked metal of a certain thickness, doing what he has already done is not a problem, but, when you don't know, but you forget '' is always a problem and the one who cooked only thin metal is not always welded thick will be able, all the more qualitatively. Therefore, I am writing that you must immediately learn to do what is necessary. A person who inseminated cows on a collective farm is not put to work with women, there is a difference, even though mammals, maybe so you will understand ?! 2) The story is about the same with production. An-96 can be made at a plant that is capable of producing the Il-2, although for this you will have to buy new machines, but if the plant only made the An-2, then it will not work to make the Il-96 on it, because making small and large is such the difference is that it is easier to build a new plant. So it is with ships. For the construction of large ships, a large dock and much more will be required, and this will force the plant to be rebuilt in such a way that it is easier to build a new one.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 April 3 2016 16: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Haloperidol
                  The fact of the matter is that for a welder who has already cooked metal of a certain thickness

                  On the same ship, metal is welded from a thickness of millimeters to tens of centimeters. I’m talking about the foundations on which equipment is installed, so there should be no problems.
                  Quote: Haloperidol
                  Building large ships will require a large dock and much more

                  Correctly. This is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned the construction of corvettes.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I wonder if it will be possible to build corvettes on it.

                  I don’t know how it is planned to modernize the plant, but I would like to have a reserve for the future, so who can ask in the subject?
    2. Mister22408
      Mister22408 April 3 2016 13: 39
      +1
      Our diesel engines for frigates cannot give birth (yet).
      1. Haloperidol
        Haloperidol April 3 2016 14: 28
        +5
        They can’t give birth to frigates, then you need to build universal corvettes 20380, they have domestic diesel engines and on 20385 they decided to put the same diesel engines as on 20380. MRK are useless against Turkish submarines.
  14. izya top
    izya top April 3 2016 11: 57
    +1
    dill holiday, they’ll mriyut that it’s all they will return for free fool they are now dominated by the "idea" - let the bridge be completed, and then we will take Crimea and Kuban bully
  15. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 3 2016 12: 06
    +1
    The plant in Primorsky "More" for two years now, the departments of the Russian Federation have not been able to divide it up ... Maybe Dmitry Olegovich will move things off the ground.
    The best cadres of workers and engineers have "joined" Petersburg since the 90s. All valuable equipment and metal reserves have been sold. Former labor heroes catch red mullet on the pier ...
    Under Ukraine, local gangsters did not allow him to be privatized (as it turned out - for the better). It's funny that a boat with the symbols of the Ukrainian Navy is still sticking out there "under repair". And whose is it?
  16. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 3 2016 12: 08
    0
    Good news for Crimeans, and Ukrainians let out bile.
  17. okroshka79
    okroshka79 April 3 2016 12: 17
    -1
    Dear Korvetenkapitan! Name at least one frigate-class ship built at the Zelenodolsk Shipyard named after Gorky? MPK pr. 1124 (M) was built, and not a little. Etc. 11661 - two units built and two buildings dismantled. But, they do not reach the frigate at all. Even "Admiral Grigorovich" - and that for some reason the TFR. But, this speaks only of a mess in the classification of our ships today, IMHO. Although the plant in Zelenodolsk is really good!
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan April 3 2016 12: 48
      +10
      1) In Vietnam, 11661 are called frigates, although I would call them corvettes, but they are already better than RTOs, because they are multipurpose and have anti-submarine weapons, in addition to anti-submarine missiles. 2) SKR is the Soviet name for frigates and in the Indian fleet, analogues of 11356 are called frigates. 3) See project 11541 `` Corsair '' proposed by Zelenodolsk shipyard, this is a further development of frigates 11540, the most modern version of which is now the frigate `` Yaroslav the Wise '' of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation. The 11541 frigates were supposed to carry 16 Uranium anti-ship missiles or 16 Yakhont anti-ship missiles, which clearly would not interfere with the Russian Black Sea Fleet. 11541 were supposed to carry 32 Dagger air defense missiles and 64 missiles of the anti-aircraft artillery complex `` Kortik '' with 2000 30mm shells. As artillery of the main caliber AK-100 with an ammunition reserve of 320 rounds. As an anti-aircraft artillery system RBU-6000 + 6 anti-submarine guided missiles and a helicopter. So dear, so learn the materiel before you put cons to me. And MRKs will become helpless targets for 14 Turkish submarines, they have no anti-submarine weapons, and the air defense systems are ridiculous - MANPADS `` Flexible '', with the probability of intercepting air goals no more than 40%.
      1. okroshka79
        okroshka79 April 3 2016 13: 54
        -1
        Let's talk about our fleet. What does Vietnam or India have to do with it? I did not write about the leapfrog in the classification of our ships by accident. Here one of two things: either I lagged behind the fleet, or really a mess. The Zelenodolsk design bureau, indeed, designed the SKR project 11540, and even using CAD, but the Kaliningrad Yantar built these two ships and had to build a dozen or so four or five such ships. Building a large, well-armed multipurpose ship is not easy. Moreover, when there was a terrible rollback in shipbuilding. Moreover, it is far from the building and the CVD itself that is important here, but the adjacent factories, suppliers of B and BT. And not only power plants, etc. It is not possible to quickly and in large quantities produce complex radio-technical equipment, in which the production cycle of manufacturing one product takes very many months and even years. And it is also very important for the organization of production - a large order from the Navy, and not a piece, as it is now. Therefore, they are still building what our industry can organize. And the same "Flexible" is not a good life. Fortunately, our MANPADS have evolved and have not stood still. And try it, work out Polyment-Redut to the required conditions. It is good that again the Sand Beam can be used in full. But what was left of her there? At least in 2004, when I was able to visit it on a business trip, only dilapidated buildings on the technical territory and antediluvian equipment remained from it. No need to whine and be smart! Go and work and improve our beloved fleet. I have the honor!
        1. Haloperidol
          Haloperidol April 3 2016 14: 05
          +4
          To listen to you, it turns out that the fleet needs to be armed with rowboats and men with clubs should be put in them, because this is easier than doing normal equipment. For Algeria, corvettes 20380 are being built on which instead of the Poliment-Redut air defense system there is the Shtil-1 air defense system, this is the answer to your question. universally. RTOs are useless against Turkish submarines, and given the constant funding problems, money should be spent on building universal corvettes and frigates, and not on RTOs, which are as useless against Turkish submarines as wooden rowboats.
          1. okroshka79
            okroshka79 April 3 2016 14: 30
            -1
            I answer you, as I once served on the connection of anti-submarine ships, that, by and large, corvettes and frigates against the sub are also useless. But the benefits are still there! Understand this pun, as you wish. But, in capable hands and with clever heads, these RTOs can be as useful as really anti-submarine ships.
            1. Haloperidol
              Haloperidol April 3 2016 14: 52
              +3
              Are you kidding me?! What can be the use of RTOs in the fight against enemy submarines if they do not have systems for detecting, tracking underwater targets, and there are no fire control systems for underwater targets ?! Are you hinting at the possibility of a preemptive missile strike against Turkish submarine bases ?! Where is the guarantee that all Turkish submarines will stand in the port and wait until you carry them ?! Usually, submarines go on combat duty and replace each other. If you served in the navy, this should be known to you.
              1. okroshka79
                okroshka79 April 3 2016 15: 15
                0
                Yes, I’m not mocking you at all! After all, not all the same, you can write here! And the fact that these RTOs have no means of detecting and destroying submarines, I already know well without you. And on the MRC many times in the sea I had to go and puke up to green snot five times per exit. In the Barents Sea they are so thrown, mom do not grieve! And the aroma of diesel exhaust on these boats is nothing! Calm down, please. I am sure that the command of the Black Sea Fleet and the commanders of formations know how and what to do. Tea, not dumber than ours !. A preemptive strike ... this is of course always good. Cheap and cheerful. But, there are other ways to combat the enemy pl. Do not forget about such a thing as military art. This is when you need to weaken the strengths of the enemy and maximize the use of their own.
                1. Haloperidol
                  Haloperidol April 3 2016 15: 35
                  +3
                  The heroism of the soldiers is a consequence of the stupidity and crimes of the generals! There are so many heroes in Russia, especially the dead, you should not increase their number due to dubious savings and the construction of incomplete non-universal ships.
                  1. okroshka79
                    okroshka79 April 3 2016 16: 05
                    -1
                    I have nothing more to add to you. Good luck! By the way, where does the heroism, stupidity and crimes of the generals? You can not answer. You all the same, absolutely, did not understand anything from the fact that I wrote to you in such detail and hard.
                    1. Haloperidol
                      Haloperidol April 3 2016 16: 22
                      +2
                      Yes, you only let the fog go. You were not the only one serving in the Navy, but the means of dealing with submarines with ships without anti-submarine weapons are known only to you ... Depth bombs, by sight, how are you going to dart during the Second World War ?! Lord, save Russia from Serdyukovs !
                      1. okroshka79
                        okroshka79 April 3 2016 17: 33
                        -1
                        "... What regiment did you serve in?" (from the movie "12 chairs"). Yes, no one with RTOs at submarines in a submerged position is not going to shoot. And the fog is for the couch admirals. But for meticulousness to get to the bottom of the truth - it is very commendable! By the way, "you" is written with a capital letter. Learn our native Russian. This is much more useful than practicing wikipedia knowledge here.
                      2. Simoom
                        Simoom April 3 2016 18: 05
                        +2
                        The truth of life is that today there are only two Russian submarines on the Russian Black Sea Fleet against 14 Turkish ones and really need multipurpose ships, and not dubious savings on the construction of universal MRKs. The Russian Black Sea Fleet has practically no new anti-submarine ships, all that is Antiques, Soviet-built and not MRCs are needed, but corvettes 20380-20385, since all Rogozins did not have enough time to organize the production of domestic turbines for frigates in time. Most of these foul-smelling officials only with the women in the saunas thump, budget money stealing and salaries are able to receive, the benefits of them are zero.
  18. skiff-xnumx
    skiff-xnumx April 3 2016 22: 30
    +3
    Quote: okroshka79
    Even "Admiral Grigorovich" - and that for some reason the TFR.

    11356 TFR only because during the tender for the supply of frigates of the Russian Navy, the North Raven was recognized as the ONLY supplier of frigates (stupidity and all the same that the projects are different) and to avoid litigation 11356 became TFR although in essence a frigate.
    1. okroshka79
      okroshka79 April 4 2016 13: 06
      -1
      Many thanks for the competent answer. But he says, indeed, that there is a complete mess in our Navy. As in the concept of fleet development. Personally, I, who served the fleet for 39 calendar years (including in preferential terms), do not understand the role of the Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff of the Navy in this matter: for what tasks has a fleet, how to develop, which ships and other means of warfare at sea to develop . So in the classification of ships. This is necessary, the commercial interests of the two plants dictate how to class warships! It would be funny if it were not so sad. Especially now, when the country's leadership has turned to face our Armed Forces and is allocating huge amounts of money for this.
  • pv1005
    pv1005 April 3 2016 12: 30
    +1
    He said that the shipyard "during this year will increase the capacity of the slip-device launching ships, after which the shipyard will receive more serious orders, including the production of small rocket ships."

    That is, just like that, he’ll just take it and get it? Without participation in the competition (tender)? Yes, it smacks of corruption. You are good gentlemen, either put on your underpants (start complying with the laws you wrote) or remove the cross (declare a command-and-control distribution system).
    PS I have nothing against the modernization of the shipyard and the construction of ships on it (including the military). But there is Russian law that directly prohibits such actions. And a person of this rank should not be so openly ignored.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 April 3 2016 12: 34
    0
    "The Feodosia shipyard" More "will begin to build rocket ships" ...

    And several problems are immediately resolved: the Black Sea Fleet is being strengthened, there is no need to drive finished ships over great distances, and the dependence on the straits for delivery disappears ...

    Greetings to the Turkish fleet and NATO in the person of Turkey ...
    1. Mister22408
      Mister22408 April 3 2016 13: 42
      0
      If there is a large radius missile defense system in the Crimea (on the shore) and reconnaissance, he would already be greeted.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 3 2016 12: 58
    +2
    Given that everything is pretty old at the Black Sea Fleet,
    the plant can be loaded with simple orders to begin with.
    And with the accumulation of experience and technology to move on to more complex.
    After all, everything is important, from self-propelled barges to tugboats and small tankers.
  • Buffet
    Buffet April 3 2016 14: 52
    +3
    Good luck! Shipyards are not superfluous. And for the Black Sea there is now not a plowed field.
  • common man
    common man April 3 2016 16: 16
    +2
    Question to the specialists on the site. And how realistic is it to do on the basis of the MRK, MPK (small anti-submarine ship)? Put means of detection of submarines. It seems there are gauges in the anti-submarine version. (Or is everything bad there?)
    1. Haloperidol
      Haloperidol April 3 2016 16: 34
      +4
      It is real to make an MPC from an RTO if it is replaced by anti-submarine missiles, with the corresponding replacement of fire detection and control systems. The whole problem is that in order to somehow replace the corvette 20385, or frigate 11356 you will need not one, but three ships based MRK. 1-missile. 2-anti-submarine. 3-air defense. In addition, RTOs have low seaworthiness and autonomy of navigation of only 10 days and you can not get rid of these shortcomings of small ships. For example, the corvette 20385 has an autonomy of 15 days, against 10 days for an RTO, and the autonomy of a frigate 11356 is 30 days. In addition, there are restrictions on seaworthiness. The smaller the size of the ship, the more it is thrown on the wave, and this affects its ability to use weapons. RTOs will not be able to shoot in a storm in which they can shoot a frigate, or corvette.
  • Haloperidol
    Haloperidol April 3 2016 16: 50
    +3

    The fact of the matter is that the ships are different and the thickness of the metal is not different for them. For example, the side of the Titanic was 3,8 cm thick, and the thickness of the sides of the Kazanka rowboat was only 1 mm. Not MRKs should be made, but corvettes at once, so that later not to redo production, not to retrain workers and not to be left with useless against Turkish submarines MRK. Time is running out, not much money is allocated and if the Black Sea Fleet does not receive a sufficient number of universal ships, history and people people like you will not forgive the new Tsushima.
  • cedar
    cedar April 3 2016 17: 27
    +1
    First of all, good news for the Theodosians. The plant will live and develop from simple production to complex. Taking into account the experience of building non-displacement vessels, it is quite possible to assume that starting with MRK, one day "More" will begin to build ekranoplanes for civilians and the Navy.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 3 2016 20: 46
    0
    God forbid that everything will turn out!
  • yahont
    yahont April 3 2016 20: 56
    0
    The news, frankly, made me very happy, first of all, these are jobs, and secondly, ships, I hope, in the future, not only military, but also civilians. And what kind of nomenclature of ships will be produced, I think the specialists will decide. It would not be bad to modernize the plant, to connect not only Pella, but also Zelenodolsk Shipyard, especially the latter churns out RTOs like cakes.
  • proud
    proud April 3 2016 22: 58
    0
    News-Class, but there is a question, but engines for new ships, where will we get it?
    1. Phosgene
      Phosgene April 4 2016 01: 08
      +1
      Since the end of 2014, domestic diesel engines from the Kolomna plant or the St. Petersburg plant Zvezda have been installed at Buyan-M MRKs. It would be better if they did not build MRKs, but universal corvettes with domestic diesels, as already mentioned here ...