"Admiral Kuznetsov" in the fall will enter the Mediterranean Sea with fighters Su-33 and MiG-29K on board

Airborne cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" will lead the Russian naval grouping in the Mediterranean Sea, on board will be carrier-based aircraft Su-33, Su-25UTG and MiG-29K, reports MIC with reference to tass.

“In accordance with the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Admiral Kuznetsov will enter the Mediterranean Sea in September-October, where he will head the permanent grouping of ships of the Russian Navy. The cruiser will carry on board the mixed air group of carrier-based Su-33, Su-25UTG and MiG-29K aircraft, ”a military source told the agency.

He noted that "MiG-29K / KUB fighters were tested on the Kuznetsov in the 2009 year, but since then they have not been stationed on a cruiser on an ongoing basis."

“In the months remaining before the start of the cruise, the crews of the aircraft will hone skills of takeoff and landing on the deck of the aircraft carrier at ground test training complexes in Saki and Yeisk,” the source added.

Help "MIC": “MiG-29K is a new Russian carrier-based fighter designed for the air defense of ship formations, gaining air supremacy and destroying surface and ground targets. The contract for the supply of Navy 24 aircraft in single and double versions was concluded in February 2012 year. "

Comments

[SHAMAN]

I hope our pilots misbehave in the middle of the world ...!

[svp67]

Quote: SHAMAN

I hope our pilots misbehave in the middle of the world ...!

Do not hope that everything wakes up decently - they will beat hard and accurately ...

[Kos_kalinki9]

and right on target.

[Finches]

It's good! Speaking a little Aesopian language, through a joke about a husband and wife - When I come in - this is us come in. But when you will go - this is us will go...

[ECT]

I think it is planned to work with the new "Egyptian" helicopter carriers. By this time they will already be completed.

[Sergei1982]

I don’t know where to place, a new contract for the Su-30SM

As part of the implementation of the state defense order GOZ 2016-2018, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and PJSC Irkut Corporation, part of the United Aircraft Corporation, entered into a contract for the supply of multipurpose fighters to the Russian Aerospace Forces
Su-30SM.

The state contract for the supply was signed by Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov and President of Irkut Corporation Oleg Demchenko.

In accordance with the terms of the contract, by the end of 2018, more than 30 Su-30SM multi-role fighters will be handed over to the Air Force.

[Observer2014]

"Admiral Kuznetsov" will enter the Mediterranean in autumn with Su-33 and MiG-29K fighters on board "
What gang was trying to attack Aleppo yesterday?

[donavi49]

Watching about what episodes. Only Nusra achieved success - taking Eys. And there, the Hezah with the Iraqis perished mainly, that is, the most trained and persistent.

An SSA was advancing on Khan Fog - that is, the most that are not moderate. Also yesterday Ahrar began to push in the south of Aleppo, also on the Fog.

In Latakia, Ahrar and the SSA are trying to overcome the village of Nahshebe and are fighting on Kitsaba with tanks and artillery. There are fights.





Only Kuzya will not come soon, but you need to crush cast iron now. And there are basically forces for this, however, while the Moscow Region has taken such an official position:
HMEIMIM (Syria), April 2 - RIA Novosti. Syrian troops were forced to leave their positions in the El-Es area of ​​Aleppo province after the shelling and attack of Jabhat al-Nusra, Sergei Kuralenko, head of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties in Syria, told reporters.
"In the area of ​​the settlements of El-Es, Abur-Rvel and Khan-Tuman of the Aleppo province, the Jabhat al-Nusra gangs, after half an hour of artillery preparation, went on the offensive and forced the government troops, who had an order not to respond to provocations, to leave their positions in the region El Es and move off in a northeast direction", - he said.

[dyksi]

Yes, with such orders, you can retreat to Damascus. Once again I am convinced that there is nothing peaceful in the truce. You can also remember the Donbass, where the ukrovoyaks, taking advantage of the truce, meter by meter, absorb the territory of Dobass. I hope the Armenians in Karabakh will take this into account and do not buy such gizmos. In Syria, the militants need a truce only to lick their wounds, replenish "personnel" and weapons, regroup and voila, a new offensive. All the most combat-ready Syrian units are now in the south of the country, and in the north, through Idlib, convoys with people and weapons are quietly passing. We took the VKS out early. Map of battles in the south of Alepo. El-Eis is surrendered, there are battles for Khan-Tuman, Barn was able to return.

[Pvi1206]

And he will continue to test in a situation close to the combat ...

[Spartanez300]

Also test the decks in a combat environment.

[Safer]

Oh, there will be a cry ... I already see these headlines "The EU and NATO strongly condemn the actions of Moscow, which has sent an aircraft carrier group to the Mediterranean." ...

[midivan]

Quote: Safer

Oh, there will be a cry ... I already see these headlines "The EU and NATO strongly condemn the actions of Moscow, which has sent an aircraft carrier group to the Mediterranean." ...

and we will tell them that he took "Mildronate" meldonium "to help the Syrian army and who will slam the fins and meldonut the might, either shallow or the bottom

[Leprekon]

Still, and "Nakhimov" with calibers in PU!

[Knight Rider]

And they wanted to send it like in the summer ... Well, okay, then it’s going to work with Migami

[cesar65]

I'm glad that MiGs are finally included in the air group. 25 years ago took part in the creation of the first MiG-29K

[ametist415]

Sukhoi always pressed Mikoyan's design bureau.

[aviator65]

Greetings, colleague!

[WE ARE MAKING]

And you say the Russian aircraft carriers are not needed ... Not 11 of course like the United States, but at least one for each fleet is necessary :)

[Winnie76]

So far, they have done well without Kuzi. Maybe we will finally see in business ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: AGAIN

And you say the Russian aircraft carriers are not needed ...

and then he directly helped out?))) while he’s walking, you can iron out from the territory of the Russian Federation at least something ... and then, just annoying that pilots with at least experience, how will it be? this is for staff members a hundred landings, a common thing, but ours? on the fingers ... not ours, not ours. there is no serious contribution, there will be no serious return.

[kamski]

Without a catapult and the springboard itself does not look very serious.

[Safer]

Not very serious? It is itself a combat unit, and even carries an aviation group on itself, which can work for any purpose. Where is it more serious? Does your catapult make an aircraft carrier serious?

[ametist415]

Load the plane to the maximum of bombs and missiles, fill up a full tank and you will not take off. Trampoline - sabotage, only catapult.

[Safer]

With a full BC (10 suspension units) and 9 tons of fuel on board the SU-33, they easily take off. I don’t quite understand what are you appealing to? Only one SU-33 sank while landing on the TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov (cable breakage aerofinisher). 100% take-offs were successful. Well, except for the incident, during the SU-27k test, when the afterburners burned the shield.

[ametist415]

At the springboard, the aircraft has to bring out engines with full boost. Increased turbine wear and fuel consumption, the aircraft will fly by less and the operating time will be shorter.

[midivan]

Quote: ametist415

At the springboard, the aircraft has to bring out engines with full boost. Increased turbine wear and fuel consumption, the aircraft will fly by less and the operating time will be shorter.

and what is our problem? no engines? ran out of oil for fuel?

[ametist415]

At 4:15 minutes you can see how they take off from the catapult. The Americans specifically criticized their aircraft carriers and at the same time they were built so that the Russians would rely on it, and they succeeded, we built a pre-aircraft carrier with a springboard.

[Safer]

Thank you, now I understand more. In this case, the question is - Do you start planes from American and European aircraft carriers without afterburner? Well with a catapult then? Start exactly the same. Explain: Why is one take-off system worse than another?

[ametist415]

Read all my comments on this article, everything is clear there, I hope. The bitter truth is the truth that many do not like.

[Drmadfisher]

take a look at your little hooks, maybe you’ll understand, though .......

[ametist415]

what are you fucking chtoli

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ametist415

the Russians turned to it, and they succeeded, we built a pre-aircraft carrier with a springboard.

The pioneers in such, with a springboard, aircraft carriers were the British. Then we built a series. Today GB is building 2 AVUs with jumps. And what from this?
Who was "led" where? Maybe something else?

[voyaka uh]

Saving. A full-fledged aircraft carrier with a catapult is very expensive.
The British saved for their light Harriers.
Their latest Queen Elizabeth class under construction has a springboard, but
the project also provides for the possibility of mounting a catapult
(dimensions and layout allow). Insured ...

[albert]

On "Ulyanovsk", which was never completed, they also planned a catapult and a springboard.

[midivan]

Quote: ametist415

At 4:15 minutes you can see how they take off from the catapult. The Americans specifically criticized their aircraft carriers and at the same time they were built so that the Russians would rely on it, and they succeeded, we built a pre-aircraft carrier with a springboard.

I’m certainly not competent in this industry, I could be wrong, but I heard (read) a long time ago that ours refused a catapult (steam), primarily due to the fact that in conditions of negative subzero temperatures, freezing occurs on the steam, ice and so on and so on, and we seem to have everywhere the middle-earth

[Stanislas]

Quote: ametist415

The Americans specifically criticized their aircraft carriers and at the same time they were built so that the Russians would rely on it, and they succeeded

Criticize your aircraft carriers and continue to build them so that the Russians are led ... Why are you doing this with logic? Well, you didn’t have a relationship with her, what now, immediately kill her?

[kamski]

When starting without a catapult, the engines are put into the "emergency afterburner" mode before the start of the takeoff run, which leads to premature depletion of their resource and increased fuel consumption. In addition, the lower rate of the air group's ascent into the air dictates the condition of a longer waiting period at the assembly point, which also leads to excessive fuel consumption, a decrease in the combat radius, etc.

[kamski]

Yes, of course, with a catapult, the aircraft carries a heavy load, the time it takes for the aircraft to fly into the air is also not many times, but an order of magnitude higher. In addition to the advantages of a catapult is its lower threshold for sensitivity to take-off conditions. An aircraft carrier with a catapult can continue to carry out take-off operations with more stringent parameters of pitching, wind, waves, etc.

[ism_ek]

The catapult allows you to start from the deck of a turboprop aircraft drills (early warning radar). The rest of the catapult has no significant advantages. But there are a lot of shortcomings. The catapult is difficult to operate and requires a lot of energy. Catapult, significantly complicates the ship and reduces its sailing time.
If our Kuznetsov floats as much as being repaired, then American aircraft carriers equipped with a catapult are repaired twice as much as they are floated.

Remember, the French president threatened ISIS with his atomic aircraft carrier with catapults ....

[kamski]

for a ship with a nuclear reactor there is no such thing as a lack of energy will be as much as needed. The operation of aircraft carriers in the United States showed very high reliability, by the way 4 catapults stand on them. Look at which Air Group the United States carrier carries and what is on board Kuznetsov. And this is not a big difference, I won’t write about the pros earlier. With all the apparent simplicity of the Catapult, the USSR could not finish it, so Kuznetsov was born without a catapult

[midivan]

Quote: kamski

An aircraft carrier with a catapult can continue to carry out take-off operations with more stringent parameters of pitching, wind, waves, etc.

and landing? or not the main thing? the main thing is to kick him, but is another story going to sit down or not?

[igorra]

There is not much sense in sending militarily, I think testing and gaining experience come first.

[ism_ek]

In Syria, it was possible to do without the "Caliber", but the ship must sail, otherwise it must be sent for scrap.

[chunga-changa]

Looking forward to. I hope there will be combat sorties.

[Severok]

If only the power plant "Kuzi" did not fail again .... And so - seven feet under the keel and clear sky!

[ametist415]

Can he do this more than once? I don’t think so.

[cap]

Quote: ametist415

Can he do this more than once? I don’t think so.

Rotten photoshop. Do not disgrace. At IN not kindergarten.
Or do you not understand yet?
The main thing is not clear, what are you pursuing with provocative questions?
Already three throws provocative. If I am not mistaken.

[ametist415]

This is not photoshop.

[mike_z]

So what? What do you want to prove these videos? Guys are experiencing pitching sedatives. And we do this periodically, in accordance with the requirements of the regulations. Are they raising planes dynamically? And then we created a stationary roll and are happy. What is so special? Please explain.

[ametist415]

My position is this, my old comment is:
Etc. 11435 trough, and CVN - high-tech, fairly versatile ships. Is it idiocy or deliberate wrecking to have RCC on an aircraft carrier if you are always guarded by a missile cruiser and not one. Instead of launching shafts, free space is best used for the needs of an air wing. Due to the relatively small displacement, it shakes it elementarily, and you will not take off. In general, AB should be large, atomic and with catapults. It's a shame that we were going to make such a ship - pr. 1160, but the top leadership blocked this decision and instead did the pre-Avian carriers pr. 1143. This is wrecking with elements of treason.

As a result, we have normal ships in the pictures, and they have:
- What did you do today?
- Drifting on an aircraft carrier!))

[kamski]

That's right, you need to look at things objectively

[ametist415]

Thank you!

[Drmadfisher]

two govnososa ..............................

[mike_z]

Quote: ametist415

In general, AB should be large, atomic and with catapults.

I repeat once again for major specialists: the VM doctrine of the USSR did not provide for the construction of aircraft carriers. Right or wrong not to judge me, I'm just a mechanic. The cruiser was built. But an aircraft carrier! What the hell is the Kuznetsov missile cruiser guarding? In life, this was not, he is self-sufficient, because the cruiser in the first place. And you are trying to compare ships of different classes. It is nonsense. Its tasks are not the same as those of an aircraft carrier. And, I dare to assure you, as a squadron headquarters officer who traveled many miles on the Kuznetsov, that this is a combat ship. Although there are many disadvantages.

[ametist415]

That's right, it's not right not for me to judge, I'm just a mechanic.

This is a fear of responsibility for oneself, one’s thoughts and actions. Let others decide, I'm just a mechanic. This is slave psychology, a big problem for many people. One of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR.

[mike_z]

Quote: ametist415

This is a fear of responsibility for oneself, one’s thoughts and actions. Let others decide, I'm just a mechanic. This is slave psychology, a big problem for many people. One of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR.

Sweetheart! You messed up the sites. This is not "Censor" or "Glory to Ukraine", but "Voennoye Obozreniye". They discuss technical issues here, mostly.
Well, but in essence the next stupidity you expressed ... I would like to look at the state where everyone is responsible for making political decisions. In my opinion, this was the last time practiced at the Novgorod veche. And even then, the people spoke out, and the prince made a decision and was responsible. And I took the Oath and served where the Motherland sent. Russian officers were never slaves. And for such statements do not get too short for the full.

[ametist415]

Tighten a little intelligence to solve one simple operation, to understand with the advent of Khrushchev and the elimination of Stalin, who was going to build an ocean carrier fleet, the VM doctrine of the USSR became wrong.

[mike_z]

Quote: ametist415

I do not think.

Do not think in vain. He can do this and have done it more than once. And what are the doubts, actually? The sea is different, does it shake wrong? Or do you think that Americans raise aviation with such a roll? Do not raise. And we do not raise. Or did you mean something else? Besides the roll?

[ametist415]

All Full Ahead and Hard Port or Hard Starboard. I certainly exaggerate, but:

In any case, the ABG power plant should be reliable and able to operate at maximum
mode for a long time. So, when conducting military operations and the average rate of up to 3-4 sorties per plane per day, it will be necessary to provide up to 200 daily sorties. Consequently, the duration of all take-offs and landings will be about 480-500 minutes (landing of one aircraft 1.5-2 minutes, take-off of one aircraft 0.5 minutes). All this time, about 8-8.5 hours, AB should go at a speed of 28-30 knots. If you add time to this set of this
speed (at least 3-4 such speed sets for takeoff and 3-4 for landing), then the total duration of the AB movement at a speed of more than 25 knots can be about 9 hours. Thus, about 38% per day of a power plant should operate at a mode close to maximum.

Excerpt from the book of V.P. Kuzin, V.I. Nikolsky Navy of the USSR 1945-1991.

[mike_z]

Complete nonsense! When flying aircraft, the US aircraft carrier has a stroke of no more than 9 knots !!! Where did the authors of this opus get such data? And he develops 30-32 nodes during relocation, usually at night. I participated in tracking the most at that time (1985, Mediterranean, EM "Sovremenny" pr.956) by the modern CCV USA "Dwight Eisenhower", for 3 weeks in a row! Every night we announced BG-1 for BCH-5, because developed up to 32 knots and kept the course up to 5 hours! Never lost an aircraft carrier! Never! Then we chased Chester Nimitz for a couple of days. almost the same. The rest of the timing is set out correctly - takeoff - 2 aircraft per minute, landing 1 aircraft in 2-150 minutes, up to 8 takeoffs and landings per shift at XNUMX o'clock.

[kamski]

Dear you are talking nonsense, who told you this. The speed of an aircraft carrier when launching aircraft depends on weather conditions. At launch and landing, the wind speed and direction of the aircraft carrier are taken into account, the aircraft carrier turns in the direction of the wind if conditions allow. The rest is done with screws, there are certain requirements

[mike_z]

What did I write? I don’t know about the Amers, but the “Kuznetsov” speed of the oncoming air flow must be at least 9 knots. I am not a navigator or a pilot, so I explain simply. If the wind is strong (headwind of course), then the ship can have a speed of 9z.-Vwind "Eisenhower" during the work of aviation never developed a high speed, we did not even develop an average speed (13 knots), went small.

[VP]

And why such a roll so that everything goes in the hangar?
Purely something poikikovsky?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ametist415

Can he do this more than once? I don’t think so.

I would like to ask obscenely, but I just left the "bathhouse", so I will ask in print: why? my child, this is not a boat, and in general, go do your homework already ... well, or crush pimples ... also more benefit.

[ametist415]

Do not be distracted, work.

[Drmadfisher]

go to guano. penguin driver

[ametist415]

you got into a bad matrix for you

[vglazunov]

This news should affectionately bury the hopes of terrorists and their accomplices in the person of the USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia ...

[donavi49]

Why? There are more planes at Khmemim now than Kuzya can even accommodate on paper. In reality, there will be 4 Su-25UTG (which do not carry any weapons at all, to lighten the weight and improve the aerodynamics of the 4 pylon under the PTB, the rest are tightly cut), 4-6-8 MiGs and as many Dryers.

The transfer of 12 Ducklings to Khmemim much more lowers the chances of broads and sponsors than Kuzya. That's real.

[vglazunov]

It is inappropriate to compare the base on the mainland and Kuzya, but mobile support "from different angles" on the battlefield does not even hurt

[X Y Z]

I foresee a new article by our friend Dave Majumdar, in which he compares our aircraft carrier and the latest American aircraft carrier.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

And in conclusion he writes that it is incorrect to compare them

[ametist415]

Would you compare the Lada "four" with the Mustang?

[mike_z]

I see you are an expert in our fleet. I can explain - we took "Kuznetsov" to the Federation Council in 1992. Yes, shipbuilding has stepped forward since then. But I dare to assure you that the ship is modernized and fully operational. And not his age in this case is the decisive factor. This is not an aircraft carrier in the full sense of this class of ships, but an aircraft-carrying cruiser, so your comparison has nothing to do with reality. Kuznetsov has his own tasks and he fulfilled them even in the worst times. It was not easy for us, these were not pleasure cruises, of course, but, I repeat, we completed the tasks. And the Americans, by the way, have always had a high opinion of us.

[ferdiperdozzz]

Quote: ametist415

Would you compare the Lada "four" with the Mustang?

With a horse in the sense of? Well, more precisely with a horse.

[VP]

You are terribly blazing.

[the villain]

Quote: ametist415

Would you compare the Lada "four" with the Mustang?

It depends on what the car is for, it may come out that the comparison of nichrome is not in favor of the Mustang

[shinobi]

It will help the Syrians to clean the coastline from the ISIS, and cut off the supply by sea. Something like that.

[Stas157]

Finally! This is exactly what Syria still lacked! An aircraft carrier with the new Mig-29K in Syria, in addition to Caliber, is like a cherry on a cake! Without this, the picture of a demonstration of Russian power would not be complete. Maybe, of course, there is no urgent need for practical application. But the pilots and sailors need to run in and check in a serious matter.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Stas157

But the pilots and sailors need to run in and check in a serious matter.

I patiently waited for sound thought. Waited.
In the North - the polar night, frosts. To keep the flyers from losing their skills, they need to train all the time. Therefore, even in prosperous Soviet times, TAKRs all the time went to Mediterranean for the winter. “Kiev” was more fortunate. He went to Cuba in 1982. Received the Order of the Red Banner.
Yes, the commander will receive a combat order to maintain the operational regime and prevent the naval activities of the unfriendly Syria sides off the coast of the SAR. Most likely in the Latakia region. But, even if all this had not happened, TAVKR would have gone to the Mediterranean for the winter anyway.
Pilots need to train, fly. And here it will even be interesting: in the role of a real enemy, NATO members will play along. So much for the "interception of the VTs", and if you're lucky, then you can "tinker". And there was such a practice in Soviet times. Alifanov and Kolya Edush on a flying log (YAK-38M) managed to put the French into a stupor. And this also happened. Again, it will be possible to work out the combat use of the BC. If such a task is set. It all depends on the tasks set.
Best regards,

[demiurg]

I wrote in a different topic, they just run around the su-33 and instant-29k in combat conditions. On an aircraft carrier, fuel for aircraft and ammunition for another week. And replenish only from the shore. The SVVP-24 decks do not have, just like the Su-24m will not be able to throw simple cast-iron, only guided weapons. But it’s expensive, and there’s no sense in it anymore, everything that can be processed into ferrous metal before them from Khmeinima. They scare the Turks, they will see the world, they will get acquainted with the new theater. It’s also a necessary thing.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: demiurg

And replenish only from the shore.

But have tankers already run out? Or does KKS not count?

Quote: demiurg

get acquainted with the new theater.

It's a good thing, of course. But "theater" has been studied. Unless, of course, svidomye new islands were not poured there and fairways were not laid ...

[aszzz888]

Again, bubuinia will conquer that we are sending troops! Already before September, in advance, they will begin to worry!

[mvg]

Quote: vglazunov

This news should affectionately bury the hopes of terrorists and their accomplices in the person of the USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia ...

Already crap ... As soon as the news of the media was opened ... It was yours, Kuzya himself went out to sea, and NEVER the last time to work out air defense (an aircraft carrier goes out on exercises to shoot with Daggers or Wasps ), and right already with the planes !!!

[samoletil18]

Maybe it was possible to implement the SVVP-24 aircraft. Well or something like that. High-precision marine-based cast iron will appear . Let the partners be scared.

[goblin xnumx]

at least painted - it’s nice to look, but if they brought the GEM to life, it’s very good, it’s already the benefit of the preparation for the trip :)

[Wiruz]

But have you already prepared a squadron for him? The destroyers there, cruisers, well, frigates at least?
What is the point in AB if there is no full AUG? Ah, yes, Ponte. Zhurnalyugi still say "an aircraft-carrying cruiser that has no analogues in the world"

[albert]

By that time "Ustinov" will be out of repair. Here it is to send with a couple of frigates for escort.

[Evil 55]

I don’t know if it’s worth driving a ship from the Northern Fleet to Mediterranean, which in fact has no seats that are not shot by "Calibers" from the Caspian, Sevastopol or Tartus .. Geyrop is already shaking in a fit at the sight of the St. ...

[niksan2002]

They must constantly be reminded of their presence, and all the same advertising, any kind of. They are afraid, then respect.

[PSih2097]

Aircraft cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov will head the Russian naval group in the Mediterranean Sea; on board will be carrier-based aircraft Su-33, Su-25UTG and MiG-29K, the military-industrial complex reports with reference to TASS.

There is no such ship in the Russian fleet. The author, at least read the wiki before writing.
There is a Heavy Aircraft Carrier Cruiser (TavKr) "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov".
It is a pity that there are no "Varyag" and "Ulyanovsk" ... It is a pity ...

[Phosgene]

Turkey has 14 submarines. I hope the command has the intelligence to drive the nuclear submarines to cover the only aircraft carrier in the Russian Federation.

[mike_z]

According to international rules, boats of a nuclear power plant cannot enter the Mediterranean Sea. But it happened ... I’m silent.

[Yugra]

It’s a pity that we have only one handsome man ...

[Olegi1]

Quote: mike_z

According to international rules, boats of a nuclear power plant cannot enter the Mediterranean Sea. But it happened ... I’m silent.

Can I have a link? Something is not believed, one of my acquaintances, being the commander of the nuclear submarine, even as I drove to Middle-earth under the USSR, told me personally. As there now - I do not know.

[mike_z]

Quote: Olegi1

a friend of mine, being a submarine commander

You are silent about your friend. Don't tease the geese. And about the status of the Mediterranean, delve into the internet, I have no time. The fact that they "stopped by", I know no worse, but I think one case was made public, when our nuclear submarine ripped open our cargo ship with grain "Vozrozhdenie", I don’t remember the year, but it smelled like crazy! But! Then the USSR was! Shut up, how cute. Today all the liberals would pour out tubs of mud.