Day of the Ukrainian fool, or How much is the gas independence of Ukraine?

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For everything in this life you have to pay. For any product, for any act, for any opinion. Even for spitting in the direction of a neighbor. And in the latter case - it will hurt to pay. Unless, of course, the neighbor is not a coward and is not a "physically weak hlyupik." This is an axiom that everyone knows. Most simply believe in the word, and especially the "stubborn" understand through a broken nose or a sore ass.

Day of the Ukrainian fool, or How much is the gas independence of Ukraine?


Today is Fool's Day! Nothing offensive about it. Remember our tales. Ivan, though a fool, and his wife Vasilisa the Beautiful. Well, in a pinch, Wise. And those, like normal, were left with a nose. We agreed on a bird in the hands, got a sparrow ...

But, alas, most fools have no luck. Most pay for stupidity. That is exactly what happened to the Ukrainian fools.

1 April ended the action of the "winter package", agreed by Ukraine, Russia and the European Union on gas supplies to Ukraine. The discounts offered by Russia ordered a long life. Those 17,77 American "rubles" that we gave to the "brotherly country" will now go where it should be. In the Russian budget.

For almost two months, the Ukrainian oil industry in every way hinted about the negotiations. It seems we don’t need to, but Russia without such a buyer ... And every time we received a simple and clear answer. Are your president and prime minister talking about everywhere? The fact that Ukraine has completely abandoned the procurement! So what to talk about? You do not buy, we do not sell. Just talk? It seems like the sale of sand on Mars? And why should we? We need to work.

Russia estimated its goods at 212 $ per thousand cubic meters. Ukraine also bought, according to Yatsenyuk, for "around 200". Everyone laughed. In addition to the Ukrainians. They believed! One of the richest oil producing countries in Europe, Slovakia can afford to sell gas cheaper than Russia.

Belief in European gas for Ukraine could not be shaken by any arguments. That is the difference between faith and knowledge. I believe - and no nails! And for some reason the Russians didn’t really try to “shake”. Believe is your right.

But time is ticking. The term of the agreement ends. Yes, and reports on the work must be given. At least for those who may give another loan. Quarter is over. Report published.

Yatsenyuk: "In January, we bought European gas at a price of around 200 $." Demchishin: "Somewhere less than 170 $ - this is the base price in hubs, and with transport you get a little less than 200 ...". This is what the "Moses" of the campaign in Europe "fed" on Ukrainians.

And here is what the Ministry of Economic Development has published. The price of gas purchased in Europe in January was 231 $! The ministry, by the way, is not Russian or European. His, Ukrainian.

Well, economists are square, remember arithmetic! I'm not asking for higher mathematics. He himself is not strong. But I know arithmetic. How many there, it turns out, the dollars you paid for stupidity? Not yours. You are smart. For the stupidity of Europeans and Russians. That we do not understand your desire to throw a lump of dirt in our direction.

I will help to save a couple of your working days. Yes, and textbooks on arithmetic you probably have the same as for stories. Who knows what counts ... For every thousand cubic meters Ukraine paid "extra" 19 $. And then we read how much we bought in January. 900 million cubic meters.

Total: more than 17 million dollars you had extra. There is nowhere to go. And only for January 2016. But in dollars is not so formidable. But in your hryvnia beautifully obtained. Even writing about such an unnecessary "denyuzhku" for Ukraine is scary. Grandmothers retired Maidan organize.

I will not say that, having learned the situation, the people of Ukraine will demand an answer from the authorities. Will not require. Faith ... she is. No evidence required. But about the fact that stop whining about the economic collapse - I will. And about the war, which supposedly "eats" the lion's share of the budget, I will not keep silent either. Each fact and occasion - his Pavlik Morozov.

Should at least some ordinary worldly wisdom awaken in Ukrainians. Money through love. Even those that seem just to give. This "just so" harvested for grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Today? Today your mothers and fathers are dying. Dying of hunger. Fight for discounted products in "Auchan" your mother! A package of products from customers take away your children!

Jump - lost the Crimea. Skok - war in the east. Jump - no space. Dap - no fleet. Sparrows. What jumped on?

Worldwide Fool's Day is a fun holiday. Fools are probably the smartest of us. They are not afraid to be fools one day a year. But for Ukraine, April Fools' Day, alas, is becoming a national holiday. Happy national degeneration. Maybe enough to build the opposite? Maybe better than everyone? Build, build new houses, factories, factories, holiday homes. To build is to give people the prospect of life.
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  1. +32
    April 4 2016 06: 16
    This behavior is commonplace for ukropitekov. During these two years, everyone has become accustomed and not surprised. The impression that the juntiats are competing who will make more and faster to destroy their country. One word - Ruin.
    1. +40
      April 4 2016 07: 21
      A conversation between two Ukrainians: - And yet I do not understand why Ukraine refused to buy gas at 200, but in the end agreed to buy at 230 ?!
      - What are you? The stump is clear, stealing expensive gas is more profitable.
  2. +19
    April 4 2016 06: 17
    They love money.

    This axiom is not for Ukraine. The main thing is to put more salt in the neighbor's soup.
    1. +14
      April 4 2016 06: 50
      Quote: EvgNik
      They love money.

      This axiom is not for Ukraine. The main thing is to put more salt in the neighbor's soup.

      A mad dog - 7 miles is not a hook: Ukraine is going to buy gas from Australia.
      The Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Volodymyr Demchishin noted that the country may purchase liquefied natural gas from Australia in the future.
      “Australia has great prospects in terms of LNG. True, so far this is not connected with Ukraine, since we do not have the necessary terminal, and in addition, Turkey does not pass such cargo through the Bosphorus ”
      At the same time, he noted that he had already discussed the difficult situation with the Bosphorus with the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources of Turkey, Berat Albayrak.
      “The more gas offers there are on the market, the lower the price will be. We are buyers of gas and are interested in having more. If I can’t buy directly, I’ll buy it indirectly. It is clear that (Australians) cannot deliver LNG directly to Ukraine. But in theory, they can deliver fuel to Poland or Lithuania, and through these terminals we can get gas in Ukraine ”


      Original news RT in Russian:
      https://russian.rt.com/article/156764
      1. +17
        April 4 2016 06: 57
        Quote: Voha_krim
        It is clear that (Australians) cannot deliver LNG directly to Ukraine. But in theory, they can deliver fuel to Poland or Lithuania, and through these terminals we can get gas in Ukraine

        Well, at what price will gas be released? But the price for Ukraine, apparently, is not the main thing. If only not Russian. Strange people.
        1. +20
          April 4 2016 07: 18
          EvgNik
          Well, at what price will gas be released? Strange people.
          1. 0
            April 4 2016 23: 14
            Will not help already.
        2. +8
          April 4 2016 07: 48
          I’m wondering, but have the inhabitants of Ukrogabon already learned how to make loafers of dung?
        3. +4
          April 4 2016 11: 50
          Quote: EvgNik
          If only not Russian. Strange people.

          What can you do? Austrian-Polish blood education and the desire to sit on two chairs.
          1. 0
            April 6 2016 15: 19
            Education Austro-Hungarian most likely.
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    2. +11
      April 4 2016 09: 29
      Quote: EvgNik
      The main thing is to put more salt in the neighbor's soup.

      You are not right! Salt is also worth something. But the neighbor doesn’t give a damn about borsch - here we are forever! hi
      1. +3
        April 4 2016 11: 08
        Quote: Egoza
        Salt is also worth something

        I agree, got excited, overestimated.
    3. 0
      April 4 2016 23: 12
      Quote: EvgNik
      The main thing is to put more salt in the neighbor's soup.

      C'mon salt ...
  3. +9
    April 4 2016 06: 20
    It seems that the Ukrainians have not reached the bottom yet, although they say whoever fell or rose, but it seems this is not about them ...
  4. +39
    April 4 2016 06: 36
    All my life, since 1982, when I went to school, I was touched by the craving of saloyed for exclusivity. Either they see you feeding Russia, then nothing will fly without them, then they have the most melodic language, a beautiful banknote, the best vodka and other crap, BUT ... at the same time one small but very important detail was missed-A MIND, I repeat for stubborn special-UMOM did not try to stand out? And as I understand it, it’s not fate to see ... and the First of April, they should have a public holiday, let alone they know and love to celebrate any dubious dates ... As Lavrov said, well, you understand .... wassat
    1. +12
      April 4 2016 06: 59
      Quote: Shiva83483
      The first of April, they must have a public holiday

      It seems that the first of April every day happens to them. So you get one big holiday.
    2. +1
      April 5 2016 15: 56
      Unfortunately, "exclusivity" is too tempting a trap, history shows that even smarter peoples stepped on the same rake ...
  5. +19
    April 4 2016 06: 37
    Should at least once in the Ukrainians wake up ordinary, worldly wisdom... Woke up, wisdom and left .. to the distant cordon .. Only no one noticed ..
    1. Alf
      +1
      April 4 2016 19: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      Should at least once in the Ukrainians wake up ordinary, everyday wisdom ... Woke up, wisdom and left .. to the distant cordon .. Only no one noticed ..

      Wisdom visited me today
      Sat, sat
      And ... gone.
  6. +11
    April 4 2016 06: 39
    The favorite pastime of all fools is cutting down on which they themselves sit and in this "svidomye skakuny" are not alone there are still some people in Europe such as the Turks (I remember in Russia all the "idiots" were called that way before)! But on such a scale, they are ahead of the rest of the planet to shit on their own heads! Well, since they don't need gas, it means they have accumulated strategic reserves of "dung", a flag in their hands and a drum around their neck!
  7. +7
    April 4 2016 06: 49
    Quote: EvgNik
    They love money.

    This axiom is not for Ukraine. The main thing is to put more salt in the neighbor's soup.

    And once again visit the USA, Europe with an outstretched hand and a sour face. To cry loudly about the aggression of Russia, maybe they will throw something. But only there they began to understand that they are simply being milked by "cunning" ukronatsiks.
  8. +6
    April 4 2016 06: 50
    The "khataskrains" have tilke about sebe thoughts. In relations between states, only self-sufficiency should prevail and there is no need to talk about former and current "brothers, sisters and such crap." There should be no adaptation to situations. Left the family, be so kind as to feed yourself, and not beg for privileges.
  9. +5
    April 4 2016 06: 51
    The article is in the order of delirium - to the Censor - to cry out)))))) Perevozniki ........ or Zradniki - they don’t understand it themselves))))
    1. Erg
      +1
      April 4 2016 15: 22
      You are right - the effect will be like yeast in a toilet. lol
    2. 0
      April 4 2016 20: 05
      By the way, how correctly are re-makers or re-makers?
      1. 0
        April 4 2016 20: 40
        Quote: arkady149
        mutations

        This option is correct in terms of language, but in fact - you need to use quotation marks hi
  10. +5
    April 4 2016 06: 56
    I completely agree with the author, but I know for sure that ours will be emitted and will again make a discount on gas. This has happened more than once. And by the way, have you already forgotten about the duty of dill? But to snag this junta about gas was possible immediately after the Maidan.
    1. +3
      April 4 2016 07: 16
      And what to know then? The Germans receive gas through the northern stream via 150 ... plus transportation costs-170 ... Gazprom announced the same price for Ukraine ... around 170 ...
      1. +2
        April 4 2016 10: 03
        Do not understand. That is, last year's discount price was 212 bucks. This year the discount was canceled and the price became 170?
        Zashibis!
        1. +7
          April 4 2016 11: 50
          syndicalist NL Today, 10:03 ↑
          Do not understand. That is, last year's discount price was 212 bucks. This year the discount was canceled and the price became 170?
          Zashibis!


          yeah. I do not understand the general fun here on the site.

          while everyone here is competing in wit and, as it were, hokhlov’s hands off, at the same time, Russia is giving all the big discounts, losing money and volumes. I don’t understand anything. what is the fun of it and who is the result of fools? hoh.ly with gas for 170 or Gazprom with gas for 170 and volumes like a cat cried? or Russian regions that are without gas and where Gazprom has no more ambitions and investments?
          1. Erg
            +1
            April 4 2016 15: 25
            Gazprom private office. Do not judge strictly.
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        2. 0
          April 5 2016 04: 49
          Quote: syndicalist
          This year the discount was canceled and the price became 170

          Gas price depends on oil price
      2. +2
        April 4 2016 10: 04
        Quote: domokl
        And what to know then? The Germans receive gas through the northern stream via 150 ... plus transportation costs-170 ... Gazprom announced the same price for Ukraine ... around 170 ...

        Yes? And in the text of the article you have:
        Russia valued its goods in 212 $ per thousand cubic meters.

        So 170 or 212?
        By the way, is the price announced by the Ministry of Economic Development of Ukraine (231 $) the price with Ukrainian VAT or not? In Ukraine, it is 20%.

        By the way, I correctly understood that according to your data, Germany’s gas, after passing through the Nord Stream, sells at 170 $ per thousand cubic meters, and for Ukraine - at 212 $ per thousand cubic meters at the border. And this is at a discount of 17,77 $ (which was provided at the expense of the export duty). That is, now the price of Russian gas at the border for Ukraine without a discount is 240 $ per thousand cubic meters. And to the internal one must add 20% VAT and transportation costs. Or are the numbers different?
        1. +4
          April 4 2016 10: 12
          Quote: Mik13
          So 170 or 212?

          The article should be read carefully ... An article about a specific month-January of the 2016 of the year ... And the cost of gas for Germany and Ukraine in 150 and about 170 is for the second quarter of the 2016 of the year ... That's all.
          Now the price for Ukraine without a discount will be around 170 ... There will not be a discount for sure.
          1. +3
            April 4 2016 10: 50
            Quote: domokl
            The article should be read carefully ... An article about a specific month-January of the 2016 of the year ...
            Sorry, I did not find a date binding in the article.

            Quote: domokl
            The cost of gas for Germany and Ukraine in 150 and around 170 is for the second quarter of 2016 of the year ... That's all.
            Now the price for Ukraine without a discount will be around 170 ... There will not be a discount for sure.
            And here a very ambiguous situation may arise. If the Russian Federation will bring the price of gas for the EU, which goes through the gas transportation system of Ukraine in accordance with the price of gas through the joint venture, then it will really be more profitable for Ukraine to buy this gas in Slovakia.

            Because, firstly, for gas from Slovakia Ukraine has already received quite a rather big fee for the transit of this gas to the EU through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. And despite the fact that formally gas is more expensive, but part of this price has already remained in the pocket of the Ukrainian occupation administration.

            And secondly, the "reverse" of this gas is virtual, EMNIP. That is, in fact, the real costs of transporting it are slightly less than those paid for. According to the documents, he went through the pipe "back and forth", but in real life he stayed in the underground storage facilities and never made it to the EU.

            But in order to understand whether this scheme is working now or not, you need to know the real prices in the EU and the technical condition of the Ukrainian gas transportation system. I do not have such data.
        2. +1
          April 6 2016 16: 04
          Quote: Mik13
          is the price with Ukrainian VAT or not? In Ukraine, it is 20%.

          Without VAT.
          VAT then from the final consumer



          Then immediately to the budget, full VAT, otherwise VAT would have to be from the importer, VAT from the distributor, VAT from the consumer.
          The amount of VAT would not change (if you do not take into account theft), but a lot of trouble, and transparency is not very, and plebs will not understand (gas independence from damned cotton ...)
      3. 0
        April 4 2016 10: 20
        Googled and found:
        http://www.dw.com/ru/%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%
        B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%83-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7-%D
        0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B/a-19159361
        It turns out that Ukrainians are right. Indeed, without a discount it is much cheaper!
  11. +10
    April 4 2016 07: 09
    from the fact that dill economically falls lower and lower, the ordinary Russian man in the street does not feel better, because once Ukraine reaches the bottom, Russian "quilted jackets and Colorado" (Russia) will have to once again tighten their belts tighter and lend a helping hand to the "Ukrainian brothers" forgetting about their needs and the troubles of domestic taxpayers ...
    1. +2
      April 4 2016 10: 11
      Quote: Volka
      will again have to tighten their belts again and lend a helping hand

      I agree with the high probability of such a development. At the same time, it is necessary to consider the situation with the refusal to help starving non-brothers. All the same, Russia flies on expenses. It’s necessary to dig a ditch at the border, pour dust, kerosene ... After all, the infection will climb, it will climb. Well, the DNI and LC at their border will fight back. And on the rest of the border?
  12. +3
    April 4 2016 07: 12
    Let's wait for the article of Tarakashi. Chet is gone. How is it today?
  13. +2
    April 4 2016 07: 13
    But who will explain this to an ordinary Ukrainian?
    Even so, who dares to explain this to the people in Ukraine?
    Given the fact that their sources of information are not very crowded.
    And the fight against domestic separatism on the march.
    So the rules, while they believe.
    1. +4
      April 4 2016 08: 18
      Quote: Zomanus
      But who will explain this to an ordinary Ukrainian?
      Even so, who dares to explain this to the people in Ukraine?
      Given the fact that their sources of information are not very crowded.
      And the fight against domestic separatism on the march.
      So the rules, while they believe.

      Since the advent of the Internet, they have more than enough sources of information. And millions work in Russia and keep in touch with the house.
      The main thing is not to be lazy to move your brains.
    2. 0
      April 4 2016 10: 26
      Quote: Zomanus
      who dares to explain this to the people in Ukraine?

      Nobody in Ukraine will do it. As soon as it happens that this is happening in Ukraine, there are also explanators.
  14. +7
    April 4 2016 08: 00
    You might think that it is Yatsenyuki and Demchishiny who decide where to buy gas and where not. Their task is to follow the instructions from the TOP and not forget about your pocket.
  15. +5
    April 4 2016 08: 54
    The main curator of Ukrainian politics is not interested in the economy and the fate of this country.
    The main thing is to weaken Russia.
    To this end, the USSR was collapsed. To this end, attempts to create centers of tension along the perimeter of Russia do not stop.
    But the net effect will be the opposite - Russia will strengthen its power and restore itself as a pole of power as opposed to the United States.
    1. +1
      April 4 2016 11: 08
      Speak correctly. How can we allow Western loans to go into the Russian pocket?
      The revival of the Russian Empire cannot be allowed (it does not matter under what flag and with what state system). We must not allow the Russian people to gain the identity that we have deprived of it. We must not allow the economic and cultural revival of the Russian people. Therefore, the most selective scum, backed up by our authority, will be in charge of everyone. We won’t give them money, let them rob the people. But we will not give them up either legally or illegally. The government, led by a high-level Scientologist, will create monstrous crap, but no one will blather, because you will blather. yaku, as you know, for gilyak, and for gilyak no one is willing. So they have what they have.
    2. Erg
      +1
      April 4 2016 15: 33
      Quote: Pvi1206
      But the net effect will be the opposite - Russia will strengthen its power and restore itself as a pole of power as opposed to the United States.

      Do not try to say this to the Yankees, or else, the hour is not equal, they will lift the sanctions, and stop shitting at our doorstep. lol
  16. +5
    April 4 2016 09: 01
    Sparrows. What jumped on?

    I watched on TV how these jumped in the Netherlands jumped! Savages maydanutye! It feels like they are ALL zombies! This is just kapets !!! Spring is in full swing !!! fellow
  17. 0
    April 4 2016 11: 00
    From 01.04. the discount has expired.
    And what is the new gas price?
  18. +4
    April 4 2016 11: 25
    What was required to prove, perhaps the author could make references to the mine-economic development of Ukraine, otherwise it is necessary to prove especially stubborn separately.

    Reach until May, and again patriotic frenzy will go. 2 years stretched on canned cucumbers, stretched another year. So I admit my mistake, I underestimated the apassionality of a significant part of Ukrainian society.

    ps still interesting infa for comprehension: there are no acquaintances left in Kiev, they have left, some are on the "land" to the gardens, there is no work, some are by their relatives - to Moldova, Belarus and Russia.

    Zs: 15 months have passed (since December 2014 of the year), and not a single Ukrainian channel began broadcasting in Belarus. moreover, a number of programs were removed from cable broadcasting ...
    1. +1
      April 4 2016 12: 37
      Quote: Gomel
      It has been 15 months (since December 2014), and not a single Ukrainian channel began broadcasting in Belarus. moreover, a number of programs were removed from cable broadcasting ...

      This is very true! And then Old Man, kissing Poroshenko, allowed, it was, broadcasting a Ukrainian television channel to Belarus!
  19. +3
    April 4 2016 12: 51
    Vsevsevrete! This is Putin's fault! (And who else?) wassat
  20. 0
    April 4 2016 13: 11
    The price of gas is tied to the price of oil with a certain time lag, it seems in 3-6 months. Those. to calculate the price of gas, they look at what the oil price was six months ago and consider it. Considering that oil prices have fallen sharply lately, a decrease in gas prices is quite expected, which is why it seems that the discount was canceled, and the price has even become lower.
    1. Erg
      0
      April 4 2016 15: 37
      Funny out. As if shoppers were bidding in a store ...
  21. -1
    April 4 2016 14: 03
    So in the end Ukrainians were able to lower our price.

    If there used to be 210 $, now it is less than 180 $.

    Good negotiators on the other hand ...

    The article only pours salt on a wound, Gazprom jokes about Ukraine, but at the same time tries to get into their market with all its might. Indeed, before the Ukrainian gas gas market was the largest for our exports (only Germany was close to Ukraine in terms of consumption).
  22. -5
    April 4 2016 17: 03
    Those 17,77 American "rubles" that we gave to the "fraternal country" will now go where it should be. To the Russian budget.
    wassat wassat wassat
    I would also write in the pocket of Russian citizens tongue

    No one wondered why Ukraine has 20 times less GDP than Germany, and 2 times less population consumes more gas?
    Who, whom, and how much naeb ...?
    1. +7
      April 4 2016 17: 32
      laughing Is it hard to live with a wooden head? Or are you used to it already?
      This money will not go into our pockets, but to solve strategic problems. Russians have not thought of their own hut for a long time. Read how the Russians reacted to the operation in Syria, to the humanitarian convoys in the Donbass. We are not rednecks .. We are Russian ...
      1. -1
        April 4 2016 18: 48
        Quote: domokl
        laughing
        This money will not go into our pockets, but to solve strategic problems. .


        Buying American bonds? English real estate? Israeli passports?
        Comrade do not trust the bourgeois even if they are Russian.

        "" DO NOT GIVE ME FLOWERS. GIVE IMMEDIATELY MONEY "" laughing
  23. -2
    April 4 2016 18: 48
    Yes, no one in Ukraine already think ...
  24. +1
    April 4 2016 19: 02
    It’s time to do something with Gazprom, the state is in the state! For example, living in Latvia it’s not very clear to me what kind of organization this is in Russia, by itself or what ?!
  25. +1
    April 4 2016 22: 14
    The controversial beginning of the article: "You have to pay for everything in this life. For any product, for any act, for any opinion. Even for spitting towards a neighbor. And in the latter case, it will hurt to pay. If, of course, the neighbor is not a coward and not “physically weak little squishy.” This is an axiom that everyone knows. Most simply believe in a word, and especially “stubborn” understand through a broken nose or aching ass ... “I think these words can be applied to both Ukrainians and Russians. .. Let everyone be responsible for his actions, there is nothing to impose ideas, humiliate the people and consider himself a decider of destinies ... Russia in its behavior with Ukraine resembles a thief-drinking companion, while one is "passed out" in connection with recent events, the other is trying to rip it off to the bone ... Wouldn't the other be ashamed when the memory returns to the first ???
    1. +1
      April 5 2016 05: 14
      We, on the contrary, will be very happy when memory, conscience and sanity will return to Ukraine! good
  26. 0
    April 6 2016 10: 51
    For Ukruina, April Fools' Day has become a universal and endless national holiday! "And uk * s all jump and jump, Maidans burn and burn ...". They burn with tires and cocktails. Whom did the United States and Co. turn into once normal people? And now they are burning with a keen desire to hang this ukrouzhas on Rossiyuyu. To feed the hungry Svidomites, to restore the destroyed by them ... "Help to the brotherly people" is called. There is a queue of such "brothers" to the horizon ...
  27. 0
    April 6 2016 13: 31
    When citizens jump, the economy cries ..
  28. 0
    April 6 2016 14: 20
    Free cheese only in a mousetrap.
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