Intense fighting takes place in the conflict zone in Nagorno-Karabakh

Disturbing news come from Nagorno-Karabakh. With new force in the region, fighting broke out between the parties to the protracted conflict. The press service of the main military department of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic reports that Azerbaijani forces on the night of April 2 took offensive actions in several directions at once (southern, southeastern and northeastern).

Interfax referring to sources in the NKR Ministry of Defense reports that the Azerbaijani army used artillery and Aviation. A source in the Armenian Ministry of Defense reports that one of the helicopters of the Azerbaijani Air Force was shot down. Baku denies the information about the downed helicopter.

From a note by the press secretary of the Armenian Ministry of Defense on Facebook Artsrun Hovhannisyan:

Azerbaijan launched an open attack, along the entire length of the border with Nagorno-Karabakh, there are fights.

Armenian sources write that the Azerbaijani soldiers made an attempt to strike also those military units that are in the rear.

Intensive armed clashes in the Nagorno-Karabakh region are also reported by the Azerbaijani media, citing the country's main military department. The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reports that battles are taking place in the Tartar and Agdam directions. During the battle used mortars, artillery and small weapon. At the same time, it is reported that the Armenian troops are launching artillery strikes on the frontline Azerbaijani settlements. There are victims and destruction.

From the message on the official website MO of Azerbaijan:

On the night of April 2, Armenian troops carried out a number of sabotage operations in the frontline zone. Fire was opened from various types of weapons, including rocket launchers and mortars. We put at risk the lives of people inhabiting the border villages. To prevent the intensification of military operations from the Armenian side, the command of the army of Azerbaijan assessed the situation, and on the basis of this, an immediate response was given.

The exact death toll at this time is not reported.

As you can see, the messages about who actually provoked another round of armed conflict, differ exactly in the opposite direction. It remains to hope that reason will prevail, and the authorities of both Armenia and Azerbaijan will stop the fighting, which can lead to disastrous consequences for the entire region.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Has spring aggravation begun? The next stage in the Donbass? The Americans brought their sixes to a new war on the outskirts of the Russian Federation.

[SRC P-15]

Or maybe Turkey stirs up water? Isn’t she doing the job of provocation on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan? Turkey realizes its threat?

[svp67]

Quote: oleg-gr

Has spring aggravation begun?

Seem to be...

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or maybe Turkey stirs up water?

I think that it definitely could not have done without it ...

[hrych]

Azerbaijan is apparently living out its measured period. Like any artificially created formation. Yes, actually military affairs is not to sell tomatoes.

Preliminary caresses and went to the bedchamber ...

[Boz_canavar]

drink you urgently need to quit

[hrych]

I don’t drink, it’s time for someone with hash to finish - this is a fact ...

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: hrych

here it’s time for someone with hash to finish - this is a fact.

Secretary of State Expresses US Concern Over Ceasefire Violation on Contact Line ... (REGNUM)
Who will translate this statement into a normal, widely understood political language?

[Yuyuka]

Secretary of State Expresses US Concern Over Ceasefire Violation on Contact Line ... (REGNUM)
Who will translate this statement into a normal, widely understood political language?

translation -
Something bothers me Honduras ... And you do not rub him (s) The second part is the answer of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs

[sherp2015]

Quote: Yuyuka

Secretary of State Expresses US Concern Over Ceasefire Violation on Contact Line ... (REGNUM)
Who will translate this statement into a normal, widely understood political language?

Someone wants to drag Russia into this conflict

[Mahmut]

Yes, there is no spring aggravation. Just a generational change. Those who "got" their own have retired by age. In their place came young, greyhounds, unbeaten. While unbroken.

[Mikhalych 70]

From experience. Pidorgi both sides. Arrived from everywhere.

[cap]

Quote: sherp2015

Quote: Yuyuka

Secretary of State Expresses US Concern Over Ceasefire Violation on Contact Line ... (REGNUM)
Who will translate this statement into a normal, widely understood political language?

Someone wants to drag Russia into this conflict

Someone wants to drag Russia into this conflict
Essentially ...!

[NordUral]

Russia again incites Armenia to war. What else can they say in the State Department.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

drink you urgently need to quit

and what is he wrong about, you can tell how many years to INDEPENDENT Azerbaijan

[Seal]

how old is INDEPENDENT Azerbaijan

Exactly as much as independent Armenia. And independent Georgia. These three republics are no different from each other.

[Imperialkolorad]

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan is apparently living out its measured period. Like any artificially created formation. Yes, actually military affairs is not to sell tomatoes.

Not for nothing in Soviet times, Armenians were considered capable of military affairs, and Azerbaijanis were not. the legitimacy of this opinion was shown by the Karabakh conflict.

[aksakal]

Quote: ImperialKolorad

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan is apparently living out its measured period. Like any artificially created formation. Yes, actually military affairs is not to sell tomatoes.

Not for nothing in Soviet times, Armenians were considered capable of military affairs, and Azerbaijanis were not. the legitimacy of this opinion was shown by the Karabakh conflict.

- Are you sure that the Armenians acted in Karabakh on their own? Or were the professionals acting in the hands of the Armenians, whose handwriting we distinctly saw in Izvarino, Debaltseve and recently in Palmyra? The handwriting is clearly one, and it looks like Amer. Or I'm wrong?

[Koldunja]

And I see the same handwriting as on Mayidan. And it also looks a lot like handwriting from Libya and Iraq. And if you look closely at the spelling of the word "concern", you get a spilled Yugoslavia ...

[Imperialkolorad]

Please specify your thoughts more specifically. Yes, our vacationers helped the Donbass near Izvarino and Debaltseve, again, our military experts advised the Syrians in Palmyra. the Americans have nothing to do with, their handwriting is rather the destruction of infrastructure.

[aksakal]

Quote: ImperialKolorad

Please specify your thoughts more specifically. Yes, our vacationers helped the Donbass near Izvarino and Debaltseve, again, our military experts advised the Syrians in Palmyra. the Americans have nothing to do with, their handwriting is rather the destruction of infrastructure.

Quote: Koldunja

And I see the same handwriting as on Mayidan. And it also looks a lot like handwriting from Libya and Iraq. And if you look closely at the spelling of the word "concern", you get a spilled Yugoslavia ...

- Oppanki, for sure, Amer style in Libya and Iraq.
It’s clear that they have pushed me to cons, with understanding sarcasm you are very ill, you have to speak directly and directly. So here are the words:

Quote: ImperialKolorad

Not in vain during the Soviet era Armenians were considered capable of military affairs

- I directly answer - these are not more capable Armenians, they were helped by military specialists from Russia. The best proof of this is the so-called. Terter's operation looks a lot like Izvarino-Debaltsevo-Palmyra.
If the Armenians planned the Terter operation, then the Armenians planned the Izvarino-Debaltsevo-Palmyra. But in Ukraine, I know only one Armenian, and even he does not paint his people at all

[garnik64]

The terter operation was not completed unfortunately. The Kremlin stopped, at the request of Aliyev.

[Imperialkolorad]

Quote: aksakal

It’s clear that they have pushed me to cons, with understanding sarcasm you are very ill, you have to speak directly and directly.

Well, call here so many stubborn dill grazes that dull the perception of sarcasm. There are many people who would consider your words to be true.

Quote: aksakal

- I directly answer - these are not more capable Armenians, they were helped by military specialists from Russia.

I don’t understand the varieties of modern Armenians, but I’ll name Bakhramyan from the past, nothing comes of the Azerbaijanis. And in occasion of counting or not counting someone capable of a military path. In the USSR, they did not give large shoulder straps to the Chechens. Ball is one general. Think who he is? That's right, Dudaev.

[sgazeev]

Quote: aksakal

Quote: ImperialKolorad

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan is apparently living out its measured period. Like any artificially created formation. Yes, actually military affairs is not to sell tomatoes.

Not for nothing in Soviet times, Armenians were considered capable of military affairs, and Azerbaijanis were not. the legitimacy of this opinion was shown by the Karabakh conflict.

- Are you sure that the Armenians acted in Karabakh on their own? Or were the professionals acting in the hands of the Armenians, whose handwriting we distinctly saw in Izvarino, Debaltseve and recently in Palmyra? The handwriting is clearly one, and it looks like Amer. Or I'm wrong?

I doubt that the Armenians in conjunction with the Pendos, rather ayzers, they were the first to start.

[Barnaul, Altai]

well you are a cap!
I even minusanul.
You tell such things obvious to children in the morning, do not litter the air!

[Seal]

I doubt that the Armenians in conjunction with the Pendos, rather ayzers, they were the first to start.

In vain doubt.

From the report on lobbying in the USA for 2014.
In total, in 2014 more than $ 5 billion was spent on lobbying in America. So, Congress took 2,1 billion from lobbyists, and the US Chamber of Commerce received $ 170 million. The five leading companies that spent the largest amount of funds on foreign policy lobbying included: Squire Patton Boggs ($ 17), Akin, Gump et al ($ 755), Podesta Group ($ 000), Brownstein , Hyatt et al ($ 17), and Holland & Knight ($ 150). The US-Israel Social Affairs Group has maintained a leading position. The Israeli lobby has obtained from Congress not only an increase in external allocations amid a general budget cut, but also the allocation of $ 000 million to improve the Iron Dome missile defense systems.

The second line is still kept by the Armenian National Committee of America, which, compared to last year, has noticeably increased. So, in the group of Armenian affairs of the Congress today are 113 legislators against 92 in 2013. Besides, members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees:
for international affairs (House of Representatives and Senate),
on external appropriations (House of Representatives and Senate)
and leader of the Senate Democratic Majority.
The Armenian lobby managed to maintain the allocation by the US government of free financial assistance to Armenia and the NKR, lobby for the adoption by the state of California of a resolution recognizing the independence of the NKR, as well as the adoption by the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs of the "Act in support of justice on the Armenian Genocide" and the "Return of Christian Confiscated Christian Turkey shrines. "

The problem for the Armenians is that Azerbaijan is now very good friends with Israel. And the Israeli lobby is almost twice as strong as the Armenian one!

Armenia therefore still officially refuses to recognize that Crimea is Russia, because it is afraid that the United States will excommunicate it from its feeding trough.

[kryuger.mark]

It will go further along the rolled-up one. Aber.Media will report on a massive invasion of the Altai armored militia, the Pskov paratroopers, from those that the former brothers Ukrainians did not finish off, well, etc., in the same vein.

[pilot8878]

Quote: aksakal

- Are you sure that the Armenians acted in Karabakh on their own? Or were the professionals acting in the hands of the Armenians, whose handwriting we distinctly saw in Izvarino, Debaltseve and recently in Palmyra? The handwriting is clearly one, and it looks like Amer. Or I'm wrong?

In 1991, professionals from the same military schools fought on both sides. But the respective nations prevailed.
And now the "professionals" from Durtia and the State Department are instigating on the one hand the 102nd military base of the RF Armed Forces, located in Armenia. But neither the one nor the other take part in the database. For now, perhaps.

[Seal]

The handwriting is clearly one, and it looks like Amer. Or I'm wrong?

Most likely you are mistaken. It’s one thing - the Americans are providing financial support to Karabakh. And the perfect other is what you assumed. And the States of Karabakh is fed well.
From the report on lobbying in the USA for 2014.

In total, in 2014 more than $ 5 billion was spent on lobbying in America. So, Congress took 2,1 billion from lobbyists, and the US Chamber of Commerce received $ 170 million. The five leading companies that spent the largest amount of funds on foreign policy lobbying included: Squire Patton Boggs ($ 17), Akin, Gump et al ($ 755), Podesta Group ($ 000), Brownstein , Hyatt et al ($ 17), and Holland & Knight ($ 150). The US-Israel Social Affairs Group has maintained a leading position. The Israeli lobby has obtained from Congress not only an increase in external allocations amid a general budget cut, but also the allocation of $ 000 million to improve the Iron Dome missile defense systems.

The second line is still kept by the Armenian National Committee of America, which, compared to last year, has noticeably increased. So, Today, 113 lawmakers are members of the Congressional Armenian Affairs Group versus 92 in 2013. In addition, members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees:
for international affairs (House of Representatives and Senate),
for external appropriations (House of Representatives and Senate)
и Senate Democratic Majority Leader.
Armenian lobby has managed to maintain the allocation by the US government of free financial assistance to Armenia and NKRlobby the adoption by the state of California of a resolution recognizing the independence of the NKR, as well as the adoption by the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs of the "Act in support of justice on the Armenian Genocide" and the "Act on the Return of Christian Shrines Confiscated by Turkey."

The problem for the Armenians is that Azerbaijan is now very good friends with Israel. And the Israeli lobby is almost twice as strong as the Armenian one!

Armenia therefore still officially refuses to recognize that Crimea is Russia, because it is afraid that the United States will excommunicate it from its feeding trough.

[72jora72]

Or professionals acted at the hands of the Armenians,

And who acted with the hands of the Azerbaijanis? And there were no American and Turkish advisers and instructors, and the "Gray Wolves" were not there? and Russian and Ukrainian pilots fought on both sides in almost equal proportions.

But in Ukraine I know only one Armenian, and even he doesn’t paint his people at all wink

In 14g in the Donbass, I met in the militia both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, normal men who know how to fight .... and there weren’t any chicks among themselves.

[sgazeev]

Quote: ImperialKolorad

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan is apparently living out its measured period. Like any artificially created formation. Yes, actually military affairs is not to sell tomatoes.

Not for nothing in Soviet times, Armenians were considered capable of military affairs, and Azerbaijanis were not. the legitimacy of this opinion was shown by the Karabakh conflict.

100500

[Andrew 447]

[/ quote] Not for nothing in Soviet times, the Armenians were considered capable of military affairs, and the Azerbaijanis were not. the legitimacy of this opinion was shown by the Karabakh conflict. [/ quote]
There were many Azerbaijanian officers in the tactical level of the platoon-battalion with a high level of professionalism (personal experience), including across the river. But the operational planning and strategy in the Azerbaijani army is a disaster, it catches the eye according to the results in Karabakh.

[fif21]

Quote: hrych

Preliminary caresses and went to the bedchamber ...

Aliev caressed Although our recently, too, had a friendship with Erdogan. The collapse of the USSR will burp us more than once. And the policy of Russia in this matter is not intelligible, so the Azerbaijanis are looking for an ally in the person of Turkey.

[sufix]

Quote: fif21

Although our recently, too, had a friendship with Erdogan.

And what did you gentlemen expect. Turkey is practically a neighbor of Azerbaijan, which, together with the Americans, has been successfully promoting its business and investment in the economy of Azerbaijan over the past 20 years. Georgia and Azerbaijan for Americans and Turks give access to Caspian oil and the method of its transportation. In addition, Azerbaijan really has no geopolitical ambitions, and the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is an unplayed card in the hands of the American vassal. So the money is pouring into them.
Won't they bite a nursing hand?
Russia of course offers a vehicle, but in fact it is not bad for them. The only risk in my opinion is to become a bargaining chip in the big geopolitical game between Russia and the West. However, there are risks everywhere.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: fif21

The collapse of the USSR will burp us more than once. And the policy of Russia in this matter is not intelligible, so the Azerbaijanis are looking for an ally in the person of Turkey.

The collapse of the USSR will regurgitate not only us. The whole mess in the world is the consequences of the collapse of the USSR. Under him, mattresses still could not so freely introduce "democracy" around the world. I do not know what kind of ally Turkey is for Azerbaijan, but the fact that excessive rapprochement with Ankara in the absence of a common border will turn out sideways for Baku.
At one time, Baku drew maps on which he cut a part of Northern Iran and for sure Iran did not forget about these pranks. As if Azerbaijan did not have to share its southern territories.

[larand]

Quote: hrych

Azerbaijan is apparently living out its measured period.

The feeling that all of humanity is crazy. Maybe the universal mind decided to stop useless experiments on creating something reasonable on the planet and began to wash test tubes with biomass?

[Baikonur]

Quote: hrych

Preliminary caresses and went to the bedchamber ...

Quote: svp67

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or maybe Turkey stirs up water?

I think that it definitely could not have done without it ...

x / f "the last thing cooked" - Erdogan. The last Secret mission is to stir up the Karabakh! Before retiring to a well-deserved retirement. The ears of the jackal are still visible!
I have already said that they will now nightmare Central Asia. Near the borders of Russia. Karabakh is the beginning. Uzbekistan-Kyrgyzstan is next in line (also, by the way, reconnaissance and preparation is already in full swing)

[hrych]

The funny thing is that Armenia does not border with the Russian Federation, but it was Syria that connected us with Iran, it became our secret, as in the song ... Supply if what happens through the Caspian and Iran, and taking into account our specialists will again be like Debaltsevsky, Palmyra and for example the Ganja cauldron. After all, war does not mean victory, someone will be defeated.

[garnik64]

The Armenian Ganzak (Ganja, Kirovabad) should be freed. Then the oil and gas pipelines will be under the control of Armenia, and therefore Russia. The borders will be common with Russia. They need a corridor through Fizuli, Jabrail and Kafan, connecting the territories of Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan, they will fulfill the dream of the Turks. .... from Constantinople to Astana. This is a minimum program for the Turks. For this purpose they have been going on since the beginning of the 20th century.

[Yeraz]

Quote: garnik64

Armenian Ganzak (Ganja, Kirovabad) should be released.

Ganja became Armenian)))
As the appetite increases when the back of a large Russian bear)))

[garnik64]

Ganzak, ask the Persians. You were not here, how do you know.

[Yeraz]

Quote: garnik64

Ganzak, ask the Persians. You were not here, how do you know.

Well, personally, my relatives were in the Iravan khanate where the tsar moved you))) And what Putin said about you in the forehead smiling)))

[andj61]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: garnik64

Ganzak, ask the Persians. You were not here, how do you know.

Well, personally, my relatives were in the Iravan khanate where the tsar moved you))) And what Putin said about you in the forehead smiling)))

It's useless to argue about history. The Armenians lived here for a very long time, and the confrontation between Iran and Turan (and this is the name, including Azerbaijan, they called) is described in the Persian epic "Shah-name". The resettlement of the people for tens of kilometers back and forth does not matter much. And the Armenians moved from the so-called. "Turkish" Armenia, and Azerbaijanis - including those from "Iranian" Azerbaijan. Both peoples have lived here for a very long time - it is necessary and even necessary to negotiate!

[ultra]

Quote: andj61

Armenians lived here a very long time

Absolutely, proto-Armenian tribes lived there before the emergence of the state of Urartu, and this is the 8-10th century BC.

[Seal]

Absolutely, proto-Armenian tribes lived there before the emergence of the state of Urartu, and this is the 8-10th century BC.

At that time, it was not Proto-Armenians who lived there, but Hurrians. The descendants of the Hurrians are Kurds.
Strabo "Geography":
"12. The ancient history of this nation is approximately the following. As I said, Armen from the Thessalian city of Armenia, located between Fera and Larissa on Lake Beba, went on a campaign to Armenia with Jason. Kirsil from Farsal and Media from Larissa, participants in Alexander's campaign, claim that Armenia received its name from him. Part of Armen's companions settled in Akilisen (which in former times was subject to the Sofenes), while others - in Sispiritis up to Kalachena and Adiabena behind the Armenian mountains (in Asia Minor - R.G.) It is further said that the clothes of the Armenians are Thessalian; for example, long tunics, called Thessalian in the tragedies, tied with a belt around the chest, and outer clothing with fasteners ... "
"Armen came from Armenia - one of the cities near Lake Bebeida, between Feram and Larisa. Armen’s satellites occupied the regions of Akilisenu and Sispiritida up to Kalahana and Adiabena, and he even left Armenia of the same name with him." (Strabo. "Geography", XI part, p. 503)

XNUMXrd Century Roman Historian Marc Justian Justin also noted that Armen was from the city of Armenia in Thessaly (near Lake Bebeida) and was the founder of Armenia. And on the northeastern coast of the Aegean was the region of Thrace, which became the next camp for the Armenians, who, having got here, further settled in Phrygia in Asia Minor. Then the Armenians settled inland Asia Minor - south of Lake Van and at the source of the Euphrates - that is, at the junction of the borders of modern Turkey, Syria and Iraq. It is this route Thessaly-Thrace-Phrygia and further to the Euphrates River and the south of Lake Van that ancient authors have shown as a way of nomadizing Armenians.
А according to the "father of history" HerodotusPhrygia was located next to another historical area - Cappadocia. At the time of Herodotus (XNUMXth century BC), the ancestors of the Armenians lived "above the Assyrians", up the Euphrates - the river that, according to the historian, separated Armenia from Cilicia. He specially noted that the Armenians came to their country from the West. Herodotus also pointed out that the Armenians are the descendants of the Phrygians.
А Strabo (I BC - I AD) writes about the new Armenia in Asia Minor, where the Armenians moved from the Balkans: "Araks (Araz - R.G.) flows through Armenia, and Kir (Kura - R.G.) - through Iberia and Albania ..." "The largest of them Cyrus. It originates in Armenia ... ".
The fact that the ancestral home of Armenians is located outside the South Caucasus and even Asia Minor outstanding Russian scientist I.M.Dyakonov... Based on the linguistic analysis of the ancient Armenian language, "it is revealed, first of all, that it is Indo-European ...". Then Dyakonov states: "since the ancient Armenian language is not related to the languages ​​of the autochthonous of the Armenian Highlands - Hurrians, Urarts, it is clear that it was brought here from outside." The famous Armenist G.A. Kapantsyan came to similar conclusions in a special study on the "pre-Caucasian homeland" of the Armenians, who believed that the Armenians should be confined mainly to the space between the upper reaches of the Euphrates (Kara-su), Chorokh and Araks ", where they moved from Balkan (Thessaly).

Based on the above, it can be stated that the Armenians are not the autochthons of Asia Minor, especially the South Caucasus.

[Seal]

And the Armenians moved from the so-called. "Turkish" Armenia, and Azerbaijanis - including those from "Iranian" Azerbaijan. Both peoples have lived here for a very long time - it is necessary and even necessary to negotiate!

Yes, they never agree. Therefore, if they are destined to fight, then let this happen as soon as possible. Better to start a fight now, before they both got serious, or even, God forbid, nuclear weapons.

[garnik64]

My wife from Baku does not mean that he is Armenian.

[ultra]

Quote: Yeraz

Iravan khanate where the king moved you

Armenian tribes inhabited this territory long before the arrival of Turkic tribes in the South Caucasus. Learn the history.

[andj61]

Quote: ultra

Armenian tribes inhabited this territory long before the arrival of Turkic tribes in the South Caucasus. Learn the history.

Still, the main territory of Armenia was to the south: Lake Van ,, Ararat, Erzurum, and further to Trebizond. And Armenia expanded to the southwest; in the direction of the present Antalya-Alania, Iskanderun, Aleppo. Cilician Armenia was there in the Middle Ages. In the territory of modern Azerbaijan 2000 ago, Iranian-speaking peoples lived quite definitely, some Albanians unknown in the language, as well as Turks. In large numbers, the Turks arrived there a little later, but at about the same time - about 2000 years ago - there was strong pressure on the Turks from Iran by the Wed. Asia, and a little later - and from the Caucasus. And very often these lands were ruled by Iran, but also enjoyed considerable independence. The main territory of Azerbaijan and the Caspian coast itself was never part of Armenia.

[Seal]

Strabo "Geography":
"12. The ancient history of this nation is approximately the following. As I said, Armen from the Thessalian city of Armenia, located between Fera and Larissa on Lake Beba, went on a campaign to Armenia with Jason. Kirsil from Farsal and Media from Larissa, participants in Alexander's campaign, claim that Armenia received its name from him. Part of Armen's companions settled in Akilisen (which in former times was subject to the Sofenes), while others - in Sispiritis up to Kalachena and Adiabena behind the Armenian mountains (in Asia Minor - R.G.) It is further said that the clothes of the Armenians are Thessalian; for example, long tunics, called Thessalian in the tragedies, tied with a belt around the chest, and outer clothing with fasteners ... "
"Armen came from Armenia - one of the cities near Lake Bebeida, between Feram and Larisa. Armen’s satellites occupied the regions of Akilisenu and Sispiritida up to Kalahana and Adiabena, and he even left Armenia of the same name with him." (Strabo. "Geography", XI part, p. 503)

Roman historian of the III century Mark Junian Justin also noted that Armen was from the city of Armenia in Thessaly (near Lake Bebeida) and was the founder of Armenia. And on the northeastern coast of the Aegean was the region of Thrace, which became the next camp for the Armenians, who, having got here, further settled in Phrygia in Asia Minor. Then the Armenians settled inland Asia Minor - south of Lake Van and at the source of the Euphrates - that is, at the junction of the borders of modern Turkey, Syria and Iraq. It is this route Thessaly-Thrace-Phrygia and further to the Euphrates River and the south of Lake Van that ancient authors have shown as a way of nomadizing Armenians.
Herodotus: Phrygia was located next to another historical area - Cappadocia. At the time of Herodotus (XNUMXth century BC), the ancestors of the Armenians lived "above the Assyrians", up the Euphrates, the river that, according to the historian, separated Armenia from Cilicia. He specially noted that the Armenians came to their country from the West. Herodotus also pointed out that the Armenians are the descendants of the Phrygians.
And Strabo (I B.C. - I C.E.) writes about a new Armenia in Asia Minor, where the Armenians moved from the Balkans: "Araks (Araz - R.G.) flows through Armenia, and Cyrus (Kura - R .G.) - through Iberia and Albania ... "" The largest of them is Cyrus. It originates in Armenia ... ".
An outstanding Russian scientist writes that the ancestral home of Armenians is located outside the South Caucasus and even Asia Minor I.M.Dyakonov... Based on the linguistic analysis of the ancient Armenian language, "it is revealed, first of all, that it is Indo-European ...". Then Dyakonov states: "since the ancient Armenian language is not related to the languages ​​of the autochthonous of the Armenian Highlands - Hurrians, Urarts, it is clear that it was brought here from outside." The famous Armenist G.A. Kapantsyan came to similar conclusions in a special study on the "pre-Caucasian homeland" of the Armenians, who believed that the Armenians should be confined mainly to the space between the upper reaches of the Euphrates (Kara-su), Chorokh and Araks ", where they moved from Balkan (Thessaly).

[andj61]

Quote: hrych

The funny thing is that Armenia does not border with the Russian Federation, but it was Syria that connected us with Iran, it became our secret, as in the song ... Supply if what happens through the Caspian and Iran, and taking into account our specialists will again be like Debaltsevsky, Palmyra and for example the Ganja cauldron. After all, war does not mean victory, someone will be defeated.

The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reports that the fighting is taking place in the Terter and Agdam directions.

Pay attention - nowhere is it said that the battle is going on in Nagorno-Karabakh, but indicated - in the region of Nagorno-Karabakh ...
Actually - in the part of Azerbaijan occupied by the Armenians, which has no relation either to the territory of Armenia or to the territory of Karabakh. There is no dispute at all on this land ...

[st25310]

The conflict in Karabakh is beneficial for Russia, the entry into NATO of these republics disappears. South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Donbass. I can’t lose how we let the Baltic states go to NATO ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: st25310

The conflict in Karabakh is beneficial for Russia, the entry into NATO of these republics disappears. South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Donbass.

To whom, to whom, and Russia such a conflict is needed the least, as, in fact, any conflict on the borders.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Vladimirets

Well, to whom, to whom, and Russia needs such a conflict the least,

Yeah, we got a hemorrhoid near by. Now Russia will urgently have to reconcile the neighbors who have parted in earnest. This is the case when you have a severe brawl behind the wall, but you can’t call the district policeman, because the precinct - you yourself. So in any case you have to harness. Lavrov, another smut ... How is it all stumbling.

[Seal]

To whom, to whom, and Russia such a conflict is needed the least, as, in fact, any conflict on the borders.

Where are our borders and where is the "conflict"

[sgazeev]

Quote: st25310

The conflict in Karabakh is beneficial for Russia, the entry into NATO of these republics disappears. South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Donbass. I can’t lose how we let the Baltic states go to NATO ...

There is a conflict, the path is closed to NATO. And Russia does not need conflicts at all.

[Reptiloid]

The Americans always break their slogans like the Wahhabis (the connection is visible !!!). They can do a lot for the evil of Russia.
But to break your rules --- even more so!

[Tersky]

Quote: st25310

The conflict in Karabakh is beneficial for Russia,

And what? That's where in the Caucasus Russia needs it as hemorrhoids during constipation. Russia suffers a headache from the state 404.

Quote: st25310

the entry into NATO of these republics disappears. South Ossetia and Abkhazia,

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are republics that were part of Georgia, and, as you know, NATO has already given them carte blanche despite the fact that it has disputed territories with these republics.

Quote: st25310

Donbass.

And this is not an arc at all, there is practically a civil war going on, if Urkain has territorial disputes then with Russia in part of the Crimea, which she cannot see as her own ears, even in a mirror. But who really benefits - guess right away.

[gergi]

The word CAN here is inappropriate. Turkish-American ears stick out too clearly. Another hotbed of instability at our borders. The world scum continues its anti-human activity.

[Imperialkolorad]

At the expense of the Americans, I would not argue. The USA has a rather influential Armenian lobby. Azerbaijan did not even hear about that.

[Seal]

Yes, influential. But there is a problem.
From the report on lobbying in the USA for 2014.
In total, in 2014 more than $ 5 billion was spent on lobbying in America. So, Congress took 2,1 billion from lobbyists, and the US Chamber of Commerce received $ 170 million. The five leading companies that spent the largest amount of funds on foreign policy lobbying include: Squire Patton Boggs ($ 17), Akin, Gump et al ($ 755), Podesta Group ($ 000), Brownstein , Hyatt et al ($ 17), and Holland & Knight ($ 150). Big changes have also occurred in the Top 000 leading ethno-lobbying influence groups. The US-Israel Social Affairs Group has maintained a leading position. The Israeli lobby has obtained from Congress not only an increase in external allocations amid a general budget cut, but also the allocation of $ 12 million to improve the Iron Dome missile defense systems.

The second line is still kept by the Armenian National Committee of America, which, compared to last year, has noticeably increased. So, in the group of Armenian affairs of the Congress today are 113 legislators against 92 in 2013. In addition, members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees: on international affairs (the House of Representatives and the Senate), on external allocations (the House of Representatives and the Senate) and the leader of the Democratic majority of the Senate. The Armenian lobby managed to maintain the US government’s allocation of gratuitous financial assistance to Armenia and the NKR, lobby the California state to adopt a resolution recognizing the NKR’s independence, as well as the adoption by the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs of the "Act in support of justice on the Armenian Genocide" and the "Return of Christian Confiscated Christian Turkey shrines. "

The problem for the Armenians is that Azerbaijan is now very good friends with Israel. Therefore, the Israeli lobby in the US Congress supports whom? And the Israeli lobby is almost twice as strong as the Armenian one!

[DanSabaka]

This is least beneficial for the Turks .... Military operations call into question the transit of oil and gas to Turkey through pipelines laid through Azerbaijan ....

[Eragon]

Quote: DanSabaka

This is least beneficial for the Turks .... Military operations call into question the transit of oil and gas to Turkey through pipelines laid through Azerbaijan ....

The most important question is who benefits? In case of victory of Azerbaijan, I don’t know, there are many questions, and in case of victory of Armenia, it is definitely Russia. And not only the United States is able to "stir up" wars ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Eragon

and in case of victory of Armenia - definitely Russia.

In the event of Armenia’s victory, Azerbaijan will have little left, and I think that the Armenians are well aware that they will still take the territory, Turkey will join the war. Azerbaijan has nowhere to retreat, but it has long been preparing for the war, it’s necessary to return the territory

[hrych]

Quote: Pilat2009

Azerbaijan has nowhere to retreat

If we take a physical map, it will immediately become clear that the Armenians captured the mountainous part, then the plain. In fact, Azerbaijanis need to storm the mountains, and here the technical advantage is insignificant. Also, Azerbaijanis constantly flaunt that they are Türks, which means that they are steppes by origin. Highland Armenians with experience of several thousand years, they know the terrain better, even physical features (adaptation of the body) are better, in the mountains a man of the plain quickly gets tired, this is due to the amount of hemoglobin in the blood and the discharge of air. I do not own the information, but it would be more competent for the Turks to form mountain units from ethnic Lezghins, etc. Although it is easier to back down ...

[garnik64]

Most likely Lezghins and Talyshs in the first echelon. As in 90 years.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Eragon

Quote: DanSabaka

This is least beneficial for the Turks .... Military operations call into question the transit of oil and gas to Turkey through pipelines laid through Azerbaijan ....

The most important question is who benefits? In case of victory of Azerbaijan, I don’t know, there are many questions, and in case of victory of Armenia, it is definitely Russia. And not only the United States is able to "stir up" wars ...

And yet, probably it is beneficial for the United States!
Azerbaijan is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and, in the event of a serious cut with Armenia, may provoke the involvement of countries joined by a collective security treaty, as aggression is shown in relation to one of the members of the agreement (Armenia). It did not work to drag Russia into the war with Ukraine and Turkey, they will try to do this through the Karabakh problem. In any case, for mattresses, war has always been a priority, especially on foreign territory and by the wrong hands.

[hrych]

Nobody dares to invade Armenia because the treaty on the CSTO says a lot. It’s easier for the Turks to simply declare war on the Russian Federation and kill themselves without unnecessary manipulations ... The war will be limited to the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region and the captured mountainous regions and sadly for Azerbaijan, the Russian Federation will help with weapons, etc.

[Seal]

In the CSTO, just like in NATO, all decisions are made only with the consent of all members of the organization. And the fact that Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan will subscribe to this adventure - to support Armenia - I deeply doubt something. Moreover, Armenia was not attacked. The battles are fought on the territory captured by the Armenians.
In fact, the CSTO made a big mistake by accepting its members to Armenia. It would have to be like in NATO - if you have problems with your neighbors - first solve them - then come sign up.

[Seal]

Azerbaijan is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and, in the event of a serious cut with Armenia, may provoke the involvement of countries joined by a collective security treaty in the conflict, as aggression is shown towards one of the members of the agreement (Armenia).

That is unlikely. And in the CSTO, just like in NATO, all decisions are made only with the consent of all members of the organization. And the fact that Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan will subscribe to this adventure - to support Armenia - I deeply doubt something. Moreover, Armenia was not attacked. The battles are fought on the territory captured by the Armenians.
In fact, the CSTO made a big mistake by accepting its members to Armenia. It would have to be like in NATO - if you have problems with your neighbors - first solve them - then come sign up.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Nyrobsky

provoke the involvement in the conflict of countries united by a collective security treaty,

I give a tooth, none of the CSTO members will go there. They don’t need it. Maximum peacekeeping troops will be introduced along the demarcation line, and then if it comes to the Armenia-Azerbaijan border, some time ago the Kazakh comrades directly said here that they are rooted from Turks and related to Azerbaijanis

[Observer2014]

"SRTS P-15 Turkey speak!
Most likely. Only to us, what side? Well, the Armenians are clinging to the Azerbaijanis. What is really that Adler will be empty? I talked with one veteran of that first war. From the Armenian side. So he said that.
"Well, they captured Karabakh, so what? Rocks and nothing else. They quarreled with people forever. That's all."

[avt]

Quote: Observer2014

"SRTS P-15 Turkey speak!
Most likely. Only to us how sideways then?

Both.

Quote: Mitek

Exactly. Donbass followed.

While Petsya will pinpoint, but ......

[hrych]

Quote: Observer2014

Rocks and nothing more

This philistine view, for us (readers of the Military Review), is the cutting off of a hostile state, both a member of the North Atlantic Alliance, and the Wahhabi gang from the Caspian Sea and measures to prevent the creation of a common belt from Central Asia to Hellas.

[Seal]

Well, how, cut off? I would like to see your "clipping" on the map. Can you draw?

[hrych]

Armenia and Iran cut through the Turkic world, also the most developed and ambitious country, i.e. Turkey is deprived of the opportunity to control the resources of Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, hence the critical dependence on the supply of the same gas from Russia, which in the event of a conflict will be shut off, which is more than 60%. If we take the failed Nabucco, then it would pass straight through Yerevan directly, however, it was planned to bypass Armenia, to please the anti-Armenian ideology, and lengthening it foolishly, and this became another nail in the grave of this project. The same Georgia, although flirting with Erdogan, incidentally, Adzhar’s contradictions climbed up after Mishiko’s departure, etc. Plus, control over the Karabakh ridge, as well as the Greater Caucasus, ensures that a large and motorized army will not pass through a natural fortress with walls thousands of meters away. Actually, the Baku regime will soon receive one more confirmation. It’s hard to believe about the friendship of the Russian Federation with Azerbaijan due to the massacre of Armenians. this people is both an ethnic, economic and religious competitor. The Azerbaijani diaspora in Russia with its mentality of sympathy among the people does not cause the Caspian at all and in the future, as the treasure of the Earth will be divided between Iran and Russia, the rest will be taken to flight because the time of small principalities ends.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And you would have told him that you would not have fought then, abandoned your land, given everything to the Azerbaijanis, they would have greatly respected them for this ...

[Retvizan 8]

In vain you so simplifies the situation. Armenia is our union state. Russia covers them.
I even talked with the Azeris, their verdict - if it weren’t for Moscow, we would have figured out the Armenians for a long time!
By the way, Perdogan promised problems with Azerbaijan.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Retvizan 8

By the way, Perdogan promised problems with Azerbaijan.

Then something like that looms in the subject, In the US there is a party on a nuclear topic, there are Erdogan, Aliyev and Poroshenko.
The fact that the conflict in Karabakh will be unleashed, after the Russia-Turkey conflict, it was a matter of time, and this time coincided so well with the summit in the USA, I expected the conflict in the Donbas to worsen after the arrival of Gunpowder from the Washington Regional Committee, and here on you, Karabakh, What to say? The United States and Turkey did not forgive us the victory in Syria, and sent an invitation to the war on another front, I’m afraid we will just be offered two dishes of Donbass and Karabakh. Yeah, I didn’t think that Aliyev would cave in under a changing world.

It is symptomatic that the exacerbation was preceded by a series of diplomatic conflicts. At the end of January in Strasbourg, at a session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), British parliamentarian Robert Walter introduced a draft resolution on "the escalation of violence in Nagorno-Karabakh and other occupied territories of Azerbaijan." The document called for "withdrawing Armenian forces from Nagorno-Karabakh" and "to approve full control of Azerbaijan in these territories." Moreover, just a few votes were not enough to pass a resolution.

Well, to continue the theme, this is the Polish epic with monuments, and an invitation to Poland for the American contingent of the Armed Forces, as well as in the Baltic countries. What is it for? I'm afraid it's not in vain that Putin did not go to this summit, no matter how our "partners" were preparing a setup for him there.

[Yuyuka]

Well, to continue the theme, this is the Polish epic with monuments, and an invitation to Poland for the American contingent of the Armed Forces, as well as in the Baltic countries. What is it for? I'm afraid it's not in vain that Putin did not go to this summit, no matter how our "partners" were preparing a setup for him there.

information is in the air ... I talked about the same thing - nothing happens just like that, the Big Game is too big! The pressure on us has sharply increased on all fronts, even seemingly in the details, but as the devil later turns out to be in the details ... As long as our leadership manages to take a step ahead, God forbid they keep this distance ... Too much force has been thrown against Russia, here not by number, but by decreasing (s) you can only win!

[Seal]

Armenia is our union state. Russia covers them.

Yes, we cover them. But it is not allied to us. Armenia is an ally only to itself. And she listens to the States. Since it is the States that allocate money for the maintenance of Karabakh. Therefore, this our "ally" has not yet recognized and does not recognize that Crimea is Russia. Afraid that the States will be weaned from the trough.

[weksha50]

Quote: Observer2014

Likely.Only to us sideways then?Well, Armenians grapple with Azerbaijanis.What is really Adler empty?

Um ... Armenia is a member of the CSTO ... That is, it is our ally ... Here's a "bite" for you ... Another attempt to tie Russia into more than one trap, but into another ...

And Adler then - what do ???

[gergi]

Armenians are quite capable of throwing Azerbones on their own. There, motivated people, they were cut more than once without exception, these are not market traders. Tofiki with Mamedov do not want to fight, they want to trade.

[sherp2015]

Quote: weksha50

Another attempt to entangle Russia not in one trap, but in another ...

One hundred percent!

[ultra]

Quote: weksha50

And Adler then - what do ???

And you go there and guess right away!

[midivan]

Quote: ultra

Quote: weksha50

And Adler then - what do ???

And you go there and guess right away!

I think he will understand in Sochi

[Mikhalych 70]

The airport in Adler ...

[Seal]

Adler is a district of the city of Sochi.

[Seal]

That is, it is our ally ...

Armenia is an ally only to itself. And she listens exclusively to the States. Since it is the States that allocate money for the maintenance of Karabakh. And Armenia falls no less than from us. Therefore, this our "ally" has not yet recognized and does not recognize that Crimea is Russia. Afraid that the States will be weaned from the trough.

[Observer2014]

I want to express my gratitude to the "hrych" for the disclosure of the topic. It was very interesting to understand the essence of the problem. Thank you again.
P / S But the Armenians themselves let them protect themselves on earth. Ours should act as in Syria if that, and no more.

[sherp2015]

Quote: Observer2014

is Adler empty? I’ve talked with one veteran of that first war. From the Armenian side. So he said that.
"Well, they captured Karabakh, so what?

Exactly! I think Adler, like the entire Black Sea coast on which the Armenians have "graciously settled", will definitely not be empty. Too well they have occupied a warm land in recent years.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Observer2014

"SRTS P-15 Turkey speak!
Most likely. Only to us, what side? Well, the Armenians are clinging to the Azerbaijanis. What is really that Adler will be empty? I talked with one veteran of that first war. From the Armenian side. So he said that.
"Well, they captured Karabakh, so what? Rocks and nothing else. They quarreled with people forever. That's all."

It all started with the massacre of Armenians in Baku.

[72jora72]

Well, they captured Karabakh and what? Rocks and nothing more

Have you yourself been in Armenia or Karabakh ??

[Imperialkolorad]

Turkey and muddy. Moreover, Armenia has no border with Russia. But with Turkey and Azerbaijan there.

[Kostyar]

As you can see, the messages about who actually provoked the next round of armed conflict vary exactly the opposite.

Conductor Zaokayansky, for them it’s manna from heaven .....

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Bone

Conductor Zaokeyansky

http://www.vesti.az/news/287835
02 April 2016
ARMENIAN PRESIDENT DISCUSSED ARMED CONFLICT IN NAGORNO KARABAKH WITH US SECRETARY OF STATE
Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan at a meeting in Washington with US Secretary of State John Kerry discussed the escalation of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Other issues on the regional and international agenda were also raised. The meeting was held as part of a nuclear summit in the US capital.
"The agenda of high-level Armenian-American relations, topical international problems, the crisis in the Middle East, the situation in the South Caucasus region, existing challenges, the current stage of the negotiation process on the Karabakh settlement and other issues of mutual interest were discussed at the meeting," at the press service of the President of Armenia.
It is reported that S. Sargsyan "attached great importance to the role of the United States in preserving regional security and stability, in particular the involvement of the United States in the process of peaceful settlement of the Karabakh problem. as a co-chairing country of the OSCE Minsk Group, "Interfax reports.
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Well, that would not post 2 times

http://www.vesti.az/news/287359
IN AZERBAIJAN 100 SCHOOL GRADUATES CAN NOT READ OR WRITE
The results of final exams in Azerbaijan revealed a depressing fact.

APAC was informed by the State Committee on Civil Law, among schoolchildren in grades 9 and 11, not only was the lack of mastery of the curriculum revealed, but even students who could neither read nor write.

“Among schoolchildren of the 11th grade - 24, 9th grade - 76 people. These statistics were identified based on the protocols of exam managers. Given that such cases are not noted in the protocols of most examiners, we can assume that there are actually more such facts, and the situation is much worse.

It is strange that these students finished up to the 9th, and even the 11th grade. The number of 11th grade students who cannot read and write by district (city) is as follows: in Sabirabad district, 6 people, in Lankaran - 4, in Hajigabul - 3, in Tovuz - 2, in Dashkesan, Gadabay, Gazakh, Goranboy, Imishlinsky, Astara, Lerik, Yardimli and Masalli regions - one at a time. The number of students in grades 9 who do not know how to read and write is as follows: in the Astara district 12 people, in Sabirabad - 9, in Lerik - 8, in Gadabay, Tovuz and Masalli regions - 4 people each, in Gazakh, Geranboy and Barda districts - 3 each, in the Dashkesan, Shamkir, Agstafa, Agjabadi, Agdash, Yardymlinsky and Hajigabul districts - 2 each, in Gakh, Kalbajar, Gabala, Ordubad, Khizyn, Agdam, Khachmaz and Dzhabrail districts one at a time, -

[Seal]

From the report on lobbying in the USA for 2014.
In total, in 2014 more than $ 5 billion was spent on lobbying in America. So, Congress took 2,1 billion from lobbyists, and the US Chamber of Commerce received $ 170 million. The five leading companies that spent the largest amount of funds on foreign policy lobbying include: Squire Patton Boggs ($ 17), Akin, Gump et al ($ 755), Podesta Group ($ 000), Brownstein , Hyatt et al ($ 17), and Holland & Knight ($ 150). Big changes have also occurred in the Top 000 leading ethno-lobbying influence groups. The US-Israel Social Affairs Group has maintained a leading position. The Israeli lobby has obtained from Congress not only an increase in external allocations amid a general budget cut, but also the allocation of $ 12 million to improve the Iron Dome missile defense systems.

The second line is still kept by the Armenian National Committee of America, which, compared to last year, has noticeably increased. So, in the group of Armenian affairs of the Congress today are 113 legislators against 92 in 2013. In addition, members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees: on international affairs (the House of Representatives and the Senate), on external allocations (the House of Representatives and the Senate) and the leader of the Democratic majority of the Senate. The Armenian lobby managed to maintain the US government’s allocation of gratuitous financial assistance to Armenia and the NKR, lobby the California state to adopt a resolution recognizing the NKR’s independence, as well as the adoption by the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs of the "Act in support of justice on the Armenian Genocide" and the "Return of Christian Confiscated Christian Turkey shrines. "

The problem for the Armenians is that Azerbaijan is now very good friends with Israel. Therefore, the Israeli lobby in the US Congress supports whom? And the Israeli lobby is almost twice as strong as the Armenian one!

Therefore, this our "ally" has not yet recognized and does not recognize that Crimea is Russia. Afraid that the States will be weaned from the trough.

[weksha50]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or maybe Turkey stirs up water? Isn’t she doing the job of provocation on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan? Turkey realizes its threat?

Sound reasoning ...

There was a lull for too long ... And too "in time" for some it caught fire again ...

[Ramzaj99]

No matter who you are, a black-assed monkey will go to America, so when he returns, he begins the war .........

[dyksi]

There are mattresses behind the Turks, I think that they will try to set fire to other hot spots around Russia.

[iouris]

Firstly, Erdogan directly stated this. Secondly, it reduces the possibility of creating a threat from Armenia. Turkey is NATO, NATO is the United States. So everything is logical.
This conflict was predicted, so the time to prepare a non-linear response was enough.

[g1v2]

Armenians and az-ts have been shooting for a long time and both sides want to solve the conflict with a war that everyone intends to defeat. Of course, we reassure them, because the war between us and the two countries with which we have normal relations is frankly disadvantageous to us. We have a base in Armenia, but in Azerbaijan we agreed to build radars. Again, relations with Aliyev improved. Of course, the external push was unambiguous - someone gave Aliyev guarantees of assistance. In principle, while Azerbaijan does not creep into the territory of Armenia itself, we are not obliged to intervene - let them play. But if it strikes at Armenia, then we will have to intervene, but would not want to. However, any frozen conflict will have to come to something sooner or later - and let's see where everything goes. It is a pity that Azn is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, because then we could well not intervene at all in the conflict between the allies.

[sgazeev]

Quote: SRC P-15

Or maybe Turkey stirs up water? Isn’t she doing the job of provocation on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan? Turkey realizes its threat?

More likely than not. The Armenians will blow the Isaacs anyway.

[warriordima]

It also seems that the links of one chain, first the export of their ovs from Turkey by ami., And now they decided to inflate the old coals.

[Mitek]

Quote: oleg-gr

Has spring aggravation begun? The next stage in the Donbass? The Americans brought their sixes to a new war on the outskirts of the Russian Federation.

Exactly. Donbass followed. Here is a possible explanation for the withdrawal of aircraft from Syria. And it all started after the meeting of Erdogan with Obama. Not for nothing, because mattresses so defiantly abuse Turkey and distance themselves from it.
The worst thing is that Van will have to extinguish the fire from Ryazan or Pskov, and rhinos will trample here a la refugees.

[atalef]

Quote: Mitek

Exactly. Donbass followed. Here is a possible explanation for the withdrawal of aircraft from Syria.

Is Russia going to fight with Ukraine?

Quote: Mitek

And it all started after the meeting of Erdogan with Obama.

Have they met? Maybe I missed something?

[avt]

Quote: atalef

Have they met? Maybe I missed something?

handled, like everyone else on the gangway in turn, but the Velikoukr media wrote under the photo - "meeting" and "accepted" without specifying how many grams And so yes - only Biden as the head of all Great Duchy.

[Makk]

Have they met? Maybe I missed something?

Apparently they missed, probably at that moment they trained sarcastic smirks in front of the mirror.
See the Nuclear Security Summit.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Mitek

Exactly. Donbass followed. Here is a possible explanation for the withdrawal of aircraft from Syria.

Is Russia going to fight with Ukraine?

Quote: Mitek

And it all started after the meeting of Erdogan with Obama.

Have they met? Maybe I missed something?

I don’t always agree with atalef, but in this particular case, for what, minus? Asked specific questions. You need to give specific answers. Or do nothing. I don’t understand.
For example.

Quote: atalef

Is Russia going to fight with Ukraine?

It is possible that it will be forced into peace for aggression.
If you don’t know, Ukraine (judging by the Ukrainian media and the statements of their politicians) is already at war with us. So, everything is within the play.

Quote: atalef

Have they met? Maybe I missed something?

Obama met with Erdogan on April 1 on the sidelines of a nuclear security summit. The leaders of the two countries discussed efforts to combat the Islamic State group, banned in Russia.
http://lenta.ru/news/2016/04/02/obama_turkey/

[ultra]

Quote: atalef

Is Russia going to fight with Ukraine?

It’s Ukraine who is going to fight with us, even the number of killed Russian special forces, marines and others is already fighting for tens of thousands !!! Do you not know?

[72jora72]

Is Russia going to fight with Ukraine?

And where did you see Ukraine in the Donbass ???? ......... it was there in the best of times with a mouse dick .....

[vlad66]

Quote: oleg-gr

The Americans brought their sixes to a new war on the outskirts of the Russian Federation.

It didn’t work in Ukraine, it didn’t work out against the Turks, they try it here. It was not for nothing that Aliyev traveled to Washington.

[work67]

Erdogan flew to America, and so it began. Spring has less effect.

[Finches]

Our military academies teach military affairs in the present way officers and those and others .... Moreover, I am talking with Azerbaijanis - the Armenians are to blame, Azerbaijanis with the Armenians! And no one wants to agree - that’s the problem ... But Armenia is a member of the CSTO, tomorrow they will ask for help, Turkey will ask for help from Turkey, a member of NATO ... Such problems in our region are beneficial only to the Anglo-Saxons! Russia needs to intervene on the highest level and fast enough! It’s easy to start a war - it’s hard to stop!

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Finches

.After all, Armenia is a member of the CSTO, tomorrow they will ask for help,

Is not one berry field ????
(honestly thought Donbass ) After all, Petya hinted about peacekeepers
not casual, I think these teachings were
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Posted by: 31 mar. 2016
CVO peacekeepers worked out "operation forcing peace»

[Finches]

Everything is possible, but Azerbaijanis will also ask for Turks!

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Finches

Everything is possible,

Comt already began to collect a bunch of Old
https://cont.ws/post/238281
The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. Online streaming
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12:43 - The army is in full control of the situation in Karabakh, said the Prime Minister of Armenia.

Armenian Armed Forces fully control the situation in the Karabakh conflict zone, Armenian Prime Minister Hovik Abrahamyan stated, the press service of the government said.

"The Armenian military forces, inflicting significant losses and throwing back the enemy, are in full control of the situation," Abrahamyan said during a government meeting called on Saturday.

12:42 - Nagorno-Karabakh reported the destruction of 2 helicopters, 2 tanks and 2 drones.

Air defense forces of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) destroyed several pieces of equipment of the Air Force of Azerbaijan, the press service of the Ministry of Defense reports.

12:41 - Vladimir Putin called on the parties to the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh to a ceasefire.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is deeply concerned about reports of resumption of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh. The head of state called on the parties to restraint, said spokesman for the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

12:36 - Armenia announces the destruction of the sabotage group of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan.

This was stated to reporters in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia.

According to representatives of the military department, at the approaches to the village of Levonarch, the special forces unit of the Defense Army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) identified and destroyed the enemy’s sabotage and reconnaissance group, which retreated, leaving the place of their victims, the Interfax agency reports.

11:59 - Tension on the contact line of troops is still ongoing. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.

The Ministry noted that the Azerbaijani artillery launched a powerful fire attack on the predetermined coordinates of the enemy troops, incapacitating its military equipment, personnel and other military equipment.

[Seal]

Armenia is a member of the CSTO, tomorrow they will ask for help

Well, they will ask. SO WHAT ? In the CSTO, just like in NATO, all decisions, except procedural, are taken with the full consent of all members. Something I deeply doubt that Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan will sign up for Armenia. And what the Old Man will decide is not a fact.

[hrych]

Quote: Seal

Something I deeply doubt that Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan will sign up for Armenia.

Correctly, just like NATO, Britain and the USA decide, the rest are in the wings. The very essence of the CSTO is not to fight Tajiks with Azerbaijanis, but to be saved by the Russian army from evil neighbors. And coordination of actions will come down to the basic principle - to hold out a bit and not to interfere, providing our troops with territory and airspace.

[atalef]

Quote: oleg-gr

Has spring aggravation begun? The next stage in the Donbass? The Americans brought their sixes to a new war on the outskirts of the Russian Federation.

When problems begin in the economy, war is the best way to distract the population from internal problems.

[Yegorchik]

Quote: atalef

When problems begin in the economy, war is the best way to distract the population from internal problems.

It seems that not only problems in the economy pushed Azerbaijan, but also that Russia allocated a preferential loan for the supply of armaments to Armenians and the implementation of deliveries under this loan will put an end to Azerbaijan’s advantage in armaments. The Armenians were going to put a bunch of nishtyaks, including the Avtobaz complex, as a result, Azerbaijan , swelling a bunch of funds in the purchase of weapons, decided to start the operation while its advantage is maximized.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is a myth ... War does not distract anyone, but on the contrary only exacerbates the contradictions between power and society, within society, especially when there are problems in the economy, which leads to the further collapse of the country ... An example of Russia after the Russo-Japanese war ... And from revolutionary ideas were not distracted by the people and this power didn’t add any popularity ... In addition, the people began to despise the army and navy ... They began to call ships - self-propelled guns, beat sailors, etc ....

[Bruss]

And here the ears of Japanese intelligence are already sticking out! Specific!

[Observer2014]

"atalef" "When problems start in the economy, war is the best way to distract the population from internal problems."
I absolutely understand your whole leitmotif. All your comments. You seem to have moved to Israel from Ukraine. So smoke here in VO as you can. Smoothly drive the topics in the right direction for you. Sparite comments with ultrasound speed. Yes, why did they leave Ukraine? Probably, life was around? And I personally know a little more than a lot of people like you from Ukraine in Israel. I have distant relatives living in Israel. I was lucky to move from Lvov. except for gratitude to fate they do not feel any feelings. Because as Jews. And apparently you are not even a Jew, but as in that joke "a Jewish wife is not a luxury but a means of transportation."

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

I absolutely understand your whole leitmotif. All of your comments. You seem to have moved to Israel from Ukraine

I AM ?

Quote: Observer2014

. Here and smoke here on V.O. how can

Everyone smokes - as they can.

Quote: Observer2014

.Back comments with ultrasound speed. Yes, why did you leave Ukraine like that?

Well, for this I had to come at least

Quote: Observer2014

And people like you from Ukraine

This is you from Ukraine, and I, sorry - no

Quote: Observer2014

So they, except for gratitude to fate, feel no feelings whatsoever. Because they are Jews.And you apparently are not even a Jew,

[Observer2014]

"atalef" Quote:
". Here and smoke here on VO as you can"
Firstly, you can’t.
And secondly, "Everyone smokes - as they can." Your words?!
So that I have not found more use for myself there, how to be "atalef"?
Apparently not.
For me, V.O. a hobby, And for you a profession. And what and what would you do here about V.O.
We will look at you as a person without a homeland and a flag.

[Observer2014]

By the way, why did you decide that I was from Ukraine? I am Russian, I was born in Russia. 4 hours by car to the monument "the center of Russia in Novosibirsk. Well, yes, for you there 4 hours by car is more than a country there and back.

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

By the way, why did you decide that I was from Ukraine?

And with something decided that I?

Quote: Observer2014

I am Russian, born in Russia

I am a Jew, was born in Belarus and lived there for exactly a month, I have lived in Russia all my life

Quote: Observer2014

4 hours by car to the monument "center of Russia in Novosibirsk

Well ?

Quote: Observer2014

Well, yes, for you there 4 hours by car is more than a country back and forth

observer, you say

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

So that I have not found more use for myself there, how to be "atalef"?

What to sit on in?

Quote: Observer2014

For me, V.O. hobby, And for you a profession.

Strange, in my opinion everything in VO has already been known for a long time (with the exception of apparently ) that I'm generally a power engineer.

Quote: Observer2014

we will look at you as a person without a homeland and a flag

Well, in general, I do not care.

[An60]

Israelis are pros!

[ultra]

Now it’s clear why the US is constantly starting a war.

[tilovaykrisa]

What does the US Six have to do with it? There, without the United States, everything has been going to war for about 20 years, there, the brawl and without external intervention, the Armenians not just climbed into the CSTO and the Azerbaijanis bought new weapons, if anyone is involved, it is Turkey.

[st25310]

The war did not stop there, only on our television this is not shown. And Turkey for Azerbaijan as Ukraine and Belarus for Russia. They sleep and see when the Ottoman Empire will annex them.

[vodolaz]

Azerbaijanis and others like them play out, Georgians have already received. Although a little, as it turned out.

[atalef]

Quote: vodolaz

Azerbaijanis play out

I don’t know, without any connection to the NKAR, etc., Azerbaijanis have always been prettier to me.
Simply, they never had great-power chauvinism among them, unlike the Armenians who shouted about Great Armenia at every corner.
And they are more sincere and more hospitable. IMHO.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

I don’t know, without any connection to the NKAR, etc., Azerbaijanis have always been prettier to me.
Simply, they never had great-power chauvinism among them, unlike the Armenians who shouted about Great Armenia at every corner.
And they are more sincere and more hospitable. IMHO.

There is no such obvious priority for me: there are Azerbaijanis among friends and acquaintances, and Armenians.
The Azerbaijanis have a very sharp division into the so-called. "city" and "village", that is, highly educated and cultured, and frankly backward. For Armenians, this is much less. And if they say about Great Armenia, then as about the distant past. Still, today's realities do not even allow for this. And now they rather position themselves as the second most influential diaspora in the world - after the Jewish one.

[vodolaz]

Quote: atalef

Quote: vodolaz

Azerbaijanis play out

I don’t know, without any connection to the NKAR, etc., Azerbaijanis have always been prettier to me.
Simply, they never had great-power chauvinism among them, unlike the Armenians who shouted about Great Armenia at every corner.
And they are more sincere and more hospitable. IMHO.

I am not talking about people, but about the state. There is enough dirt everywhere.

[sherp2015]

Quote: atalef

I don’t know, without any connection to the NKAR, etc., Azerbaijanis have always been prettier to me.
Simply, they never had great-power chauvinism among them, unlike the Armenians who shouted about Great Armenia at every corner.
And they are more sincere and more hospitable. IMHO.

))) Good afternoon, Alexander!
Why are you so unflattering about your brothers? ))))

[garnik64]

Rather, they are brothers to you. Billionaires and deputies of the State Duma from ..... settled firmly as before the October Revolution.

[72jora72]

Has spring aggravation begun? The next stage in the Donbass?

Dear, this stage has already begun almost a month ago, just now Syria has come to the first place in the media and practically do not write anything about Novorossia ....

[skrabplus.ru]

Now it’s clear why GDP removed a portion of aviation from Syria

[TsUS-Air Force]

how in one book was written, what spring exacerbation? what are you talking about? just spring, zielonka went to the spirits of money threw here and intensified :)

[Turkestan]

Next STAGE CENTRAL ASIA. No stability belt is created around RUSSIA

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: oleg-gr

Has spring aggravation begun? The next stage in the Donbass? The Americans brought their sixes to a new war on the outskirts of the Russian Federation.

Since Armenia is in the CSTO, the grouping of Russian troops in Armenia should be strengthened. Recently, Azerbaijan has been quite heavily arming itself, buying air defense systems "Iron Dome" from Israel and not only ...

[Seal]

Since Armenia is in the CSTO, the grouping of Russian troops in Armenia should be strengthened.

Well, where is the logic? Azerbaijan was also in the CSTO. Then he came out of our clearly pro-Armenian policy. But tomorrow may come in again.

In addition, in the CSTO, just like in NATO, all decisions, except procedural, are taken with the full consent of all members. Something I deeply doubt that Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan will sign up for Armenia. And what the Old Man will decide is not a fact.

[RUSS]

Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense announces capture of several strategic heights and settlements in Nagorno-Karabakh as a result of a military operation, Trend reports. In Baku, they announced a breakthrough in the line of defense of the Armenian troops.
The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan called the operation a counterattack, which was launched in response to the provocations of the Armenian Armed Forces on the night of April 2.

The Azerbaijani military announced the destruction of six Armenian tanks, 15 artillery mounts and fortified engineering structures, as well as the fact that the losses of the Armenian army killed and wounded exceeded 100 people.

At the same time, 12 servicemen of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were killed, one Azerbaijani Mi-24 helicopter was shot down and one tank was damaged in a mine. The decision on retaliatory measures in the directions of Agdere-Terter-Agdam and Khojavend-Fizuli was taken by the command of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, the publication notes

[Vadim237]

And here’s the downed turntable itself

[goblin xnumx]

probably in tajikistan they will also stir up something - nobody wrote something from there for a long time, but wrote one, so they banned him ...

[svp67]

Poorly. Now we should expect the advance of Ukraine in the Donbass and Turkey in Syria ... Spring is getting too hot. What a summer it will be.

[Bort radist]

Karabakh blazed. In one place, stew in another set on fire. When the mattress smokes ....

[monk10]

While we chew the snot and run a little bit to agree and send information to the amers, it will be so. We need to pursue our policy, and let them coordinate their actions with us.

[HAM]

Bad, very bad news .....

[RUSS]

The Ministry of Defense of Armenia officially confirmed the attacking actions that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces took on the night of April 2 along the entire line of contact with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR), Armenpress reports.

According to the Armenian Ministry of Defense, Baku used tanks, artillery and air forces, with the help of which it planned to invade the territory of the NKR.

The agency, citing the Information and Public Relations Department of the NKR Defense Army, reports that the aggressor was driven back along the entire line of contact and suffered significant losses.

Fighting continues, Armenpress writes.

"The authorities of Azerbaijan bear all responsibility for such an unprecedented tension on the contact line," the NKR Defense Army Information and Public Relations Department said.

The armed forces of the unrecognized republic called on the international community, especially the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, to pay attention to the situation and expects urgent targeted intervention to maintain control of the situation, "in order to avoid large-scale military operations."

[Ze Kot]

Quote: RUSS

The Ministry of Defense of Armenia officially confirmed the attacking actions that the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan took on the night of April 2 along the entire line of contact with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

Well, what for? Do not live peacefully?

In Baku, the Formula-1 stage is to pass soon, money has been poured into it ... Will people go there after that? What loss of funds will be ..

[weksha50]

Quote: RUSS

The armed forces of the unrecognized republic called on the international community, especially the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group pay attention to the situation and awaiting urgent targeted intervention

Well ... And who among these Minsk "co-chairs" will react ???

That's right ... First of all, they expect intervention from Russia ...

Armenia is an ally ... Azerbaijan is not a friend, but not an enemy ...

The situation, although not a stalemate, but rather worthless ...

[avt]

Quote: weksha50

Azerbaijan is not a friend, but not an enemy ...

And so ....

Quote: weksha50

Armenia is an ally ...

But not Karabakh. Russia didn’t sign up for CSTO through Karabakh. So if you decide to bomb Yerevan from Ankara or Baku, well then, by agreement of the parties, from the availability of funds.

[Seal]

I think that Nazarbayev will make every effort so that even in this case the CSTO (or at least Kazakhstan) remains on the sidelines. And Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are likely to support Nazarbayev.

[weksha50]

Quote: avt

Well, if from Baku or Ankara they decide to bomb Yerevan, then by agreement of the parties from the availability of funds. Again, BY AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES within the CSTO with EXTERNAL aggression

I agree ... I did not think a bit ...

[Seal]

Armenia is an ally ...

Armenia is an ally only to itself. And she listens exclusively to the States. Since it is the States that allocate money for the maintenance of Karabakh. And Armenia falls no less than from us. Therefore, this our "ally" has not yet recognized and does not recognize that Crimea is Russia. Afraid that the States will be weaned from the trough.

[tomket]

Now Armenia and Azerbaijan, during the escalation of Russia and Turkey, and there it started .... Although the current US administration is unlikely to escalate.

[weksha50]

Quote: tomket

Although the current US administration is unlikely to escalate.

Hmm ... Horns and hooves in this situation are Azerbaijani and Turkish ...

And whose ears ??? Is not the Amer’s current administration ???

[Pvi1206]

Oil has fallen in price. Azerbaijan ran out of money. The population begins to worry. He had to cheer him up with something. So it started.

[svp67]

Quote: Pvi1206

Oil has fallen in price. Azerbaijan ran out of money. The population begins to worry. He had to cheer him up with something. So it started.

And who gave them confidence that they will win? After all, the loss in such "exhilaration" may cost Azerbaijan too much. Usually "this" ends in a revolution, or at least a government crisis.

[donavi49]

Well, in general, the army of Azerbaijan is much stronger than the Armenian, if you exclude the base and support of the Russian Federation. Azeris have 100 T-90, and Belarusian T-72, and Tornadoes, and TOSs, and BMP-3, and all sorts of Israeli-Turkish MLRS, artillery, cars, UAVs. Also good air defense - S-300PMU + Pechora2TM + Tor + Barak-8.

[svp67]

Quote: donavi49

Well, on the whole, the army of Azerbaijan is much stronger than the Armenian, if you exclude the base and support of the Russian Federation.

Because of the brackets, it’s worthwhile to bring out the landscape of that theater. Mountains, and in them it will be easier for the defender to repulse the attacks of a stronger and more numerous enemy.

[hrych]

Quote: donavi49

Well, in general, the army of Azerbaijan is much stronger than the Armenian,

In general, the SA army is stronger than Yemen, but hostilities are already taking place in the territory of the SA, although this is not advertised in order not to cause an oil panic before the fall of the Saudi house (by the way, pay attention to the latest statements by the Saudi prince and the announcement of the sale of the Saudi national oil company) ... the presence of more equipment and personnel does not mean anything, the more Azerbaijan needs to conduct an offensive operation on the deeply echeloned defense of the enemy. Where the cost of the tank is commensurate with the cost of an ATGM shot on the other hand.

[donavi49]

AND? Yemenis have been living in war since 92. But the Saudis are not. They climbed in 2008 and received from the then Houthis, whom Saleh kept in the mountains. However, no conclusions were drawn when the Americans "asked" Saleh to leave, hinting at Muammar, and a puppet from SA - Hadi came to power. At first, even the people supported him, and the Houthis were sitting in the mountains. But after a few months, Hadi was able to turn the people, the army and even the southern tribes against him. As a result, the Maidan, the victorious march of the Houthis to Sana'a, the flight of Hadi to Aden, the victorious march of the Houthis to Aden, while even the southern tribes supported them (this is the same as the North and South Koreans will go to beat someone else now), the flight to an unknown ship to Saudi Arabia, tearful requests to restore constitutional order in the country and return the throne - the beginning of the intervention in Yemen.

It’s very, very optimistic and even dreamy to say that the Hussites are seriously threatening the Saudis, specifically on the issue of the fall of the country.

On the one hand, the Southern tribes, which, under the grants of the Saudis, their weapons drove the Hussites back, hold the entire industrial South. From the east, the interventionists are still threatening Sana'a. In the north, the Saudi mountains are really nightmare, however, even if, in addition to the suburbs and border towns, the Husits ​​take and hold on the Shiite city of Jinzan, nothing particularly critical will happen.

Now the people's committees (Hussites) launched an unexpected attack and almost recaptured Taiz in the South. It got to the point that they were thrown into a counterattack by the AQAP, armed with the RPG-32, Minimi, all sorts of G-36 and other things that were distributed from the army depots (and this is just an epic - even the Americans were worried and started bombing the AAPP, which the Saudis were transporting on their transport from east and south to Taiz).

However, there is a very complex conflict in which the Saudi army showed complete unwillingness to fight at all levels, logistics, military training, discipline and command. In contrast, from the UAE, which the task of creating a bridgehead for an attack on Sana'a was completed by taking Marib and declaring victory, they left the active phase of the operation.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It’s not necessary to think that it’s possible to destroy a tank directly with one ATGM ... During the battles in Grozny, our old T-72Bs received several hits with various anti-tank weapons and remained on the move, destroying the enemy’s identified firing points by return fire ... Of course, DZ also saved and skillful maneuvering (the tank never set sides and stern to the enemy), and lowering the ammunition load (only automatic loader) and the lack of fuel in the upper tanks, and of course tactics (tank carousel - worked in pairs, one covers and conducts observation, the second works in advance revealed enemy firing points, then they change, then they are changed by another pair of tanks and so on until victory ... I read about one battalion, so they had no losses at all, while they constantly took part in offensive operations, and even shots were launched against them ...

[Vitwin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

. I read about one battalion,

That's exactly what I read - you would have been there when they broke through to the Minute, looked at how the armor burns, minus you

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

then they change, then they are changed by another pair of tanks and so on until victory ... I read about one battalion, so they had no losses at all,

Strategist? Have you heard anything about Budanov? And what victory did you register here?
You better talk with the database participants under the vodka, but I do not advise them to tell you anything about what you read, they will beat you.
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[atalef]

Quote: donavi49

Well, in general, the Azerbaijani army is much stronger than the Armenian, if you exclude the base and support of the Russian Federation

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

[Stas157]

Quote: atalef

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

Will be forced. Connected by contract. Another thing Russia will do everything to prevent it from reaching the war!

[Pereira]

I believe that the Armenians are able to cope on their own if they help with weapons.

[atalef]

Quote: Stas157

Will be forced. Contract bound

With whom, with the NKAR?
Russia does not recognize the NKAR.

Quote: Stas157

Another thing Russia will do everything to prevent it from reaching the war!

There will be a war, a gun hanging on the wall should shoot and now in Azerbaijan the situation most conducive to war.
The question is different, how can Russia get in if hostilities are waged in the NKAR, given that
1. NKAR is not part of Armenia
2. Russia does not recognize the NKAR.

[Pereira]

But no way. What for?
Let the territory belong to the one who needs it.

[avt]

Quote: Stas157

Will be forced. Contract bound

Quote: atalef

With whom, with the NKAR?
Russia does not recognize the NKAR.

Quote: atalef

1. NKAR is not part of Armenia

Namely, only for Armenia, as agreed by the parties within the framework of the CSTO under the FOREIGN ARGESSION.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Stas157

Will be forced. Connected by contract.

Until Azerbaijan enters the actual territory of Armenia or attacks our base, there is no point in interfering. And how is it spelled out in the treaty? If, in the "case of aggression by another state," and the Armenians are the first to start, then no.

[ultra]

Quote: Stas157

Will be forced. Connected by contract.

Connected with Armenia, but what does Karabakh have to do with it?

[Seal]

Will be forced. Connected by contract.

What agreement are you talking about now?

[dyksi]

If full-scale military operations really begin there, with the participation of aviation and ground forces, then Russia will get involved, there is a contract and ace is registered there.

[538246]

As I know, Nagorno-Karabakh does not belong to Armenia. And at the moment it is recognized by one state of Hawaii. Which contract can be more detailed?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: dyksi

If full-scale military operations really begin there, with the participation of aviation and ground forces, then Russia will get involved, there is a contract and ace is registered there.

You would read this agreement, it says that Russia will provide assistance to Armenia, but not to Nagorno-Karabakh. NKR is an unrecognized republic, not even recognized by Armenia, and legally Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, moreover, there is a so-called security belt - it is part of the territory of seven regions of Azerbaijan that are actually occupied by the NKR troops, which occupy favorable dominant heights for defense of the NKR territory, while these territories have nothing to do with Nagorno-Karabakh. Russia will never fight for Nagorno-Karabakh, but it will fight for Armenia, but Azerbaijan has no territorial claims against Armenia, and is not going to attack Armenia. If the war starts, then Armenia and Azerbaijan will fight in Nagorno-Karabakh, no one will directly attack each other.

[garnik64]

And you listen to the eternal president of Azerbaijan. So they presented Armenia to the Armenians.

[ultra]

Quote: dyksi

then Russia will get involved, there is a contract and there is an ace registered.

The agreement does not say that Karabakh is part of Armenia, therefore Armenia will act independently.

[SHAMAN]

Quote: atalef

Quote: donavi49

Well, in general, the Azerbaijani army is much stronger than the Armenian, if you exclude the base and support of the Russian Federation

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

In the open, no ... but like so we can warn the mouse!

[co-creator]

Quote: atalef

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

It was still not enough to fight for the Armenians. If Putin goes for it, he will be the biggest idiot.

[SHAMAN]

Quotation: blooded man

Quote: atalef

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

It was still not enough to fight for the Armenians. If Putin goes for it, he will be the biggest idiot.

We are holding back Armenia ... Shkolota! They can capture Baku ..! (All the tomatoes will be transferred by tanks ..)))))

[dauria]

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

atalef

“Einstein, do not tell God what to do” (Niels Bohr)

[alicante11]

Russia is unlikely to engage in an open confrontation with Azerbaijan.

Atalef, are you tired of prophesying? It doesn't come true. Assad had already sat out for a month, the "withdrawal" of the Aerospace Forces turned into the capture of Palmyra. Also here, amers do not care about all the agreements, why do we have to comply with something? Moreover, this is our zone of influence, and everyone here must walk in line with Russia. And who does not understand this, we will organize "peace enforcement" or "Crimean".

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

Assad has been sitting out like a month,

month, just a month.

Quote: alicante11

"withdrawal" of the VKS turned into the capture of Palmyra.

And how many such palmyra are left before a complete victory?

Quote: alicante11

Also here, amers do not care for all contracts, why should we observe something?

What are you talking about?
those. do you think that Russia will fight against Azerbaijan, because of Armenia More precisely, the NKAR, which itself does not recognize.

Quote: alicante11

Moreover, this is our zone of influence and everyone here should go in front of Russia

Where else is the zone of influence and what would go along the string?

Quote: alicante11

And who does not understand this, we will organize "peace enforcement" or "Crimean".

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Quote: alicante11
Assad has been sitting out like a month,
month, just a month.

So he said that in March, but a little wrong with the month ... or year ...
It happens. The prophets also have an unenviable fate - they are always misinterpreted.

Relentlessly crazy girl
Shouted: "I clearly see Troy fallen to dust!"
But clairvoyants - however, like eyewitnesses -
In all ages, people have been burned at the stake.

[alicante11]

month, just a month.

How much do you need? Someday, of course, he will leave, or die. It was about until February.

And how many such palmyra are left before a complete victory?

I strongly doubt the possibility of achieving it thanks to you and the amers. But the fact that either Russian assistance is still sufficient suggests that Russia is not merging Syria.

those. Do you think that Russia will fight against Azerbaijan, because of Armenia fool, or rather NKAO, which itself does not recognize.

Do not fight, but force peace. South Ossetia and Abkhazia were not recognized before the war either. And if we fight, then not for the Armenians, but for the interests of Russia in this region.

Where else is the zone of influence and what would go along the string?

Judging by what is happening in Syria, she is approaching you, so you can begin to learn to walk on a string in advance :).

Smiley set, i.e. nothing to say, so to speak, the drain counted?

[Kazbek]

Quote: alicante11

Moreover, this is our zone of influence, and everyone here should go in front of Russia.

It’s a good time for Azeri to resolve the issue of the "occupied territories". And not just now, but in the coming years. Due to the sanctions, the fall in oil prices, the cost of Crimea, Donbass, Syria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and, as a result, agro-huge problems in the Russian economy, the Kremlin will be extremely problematic to participate in this conflict.
The "ball" is on the side of Baku - to decide here and now, or wait until the situation in Russia is even worse .. and Moscow, in principle, will not care what is in Karabakh ..

And who does not understand this, we will organize "peace enforcement" or "Crimean".

Yeah as if the Turks did not organize a "treacherous stab in the back" ..

[alicante11]

It’s a good time for Azeri to resolve the issue of "occupied territories".

If GDP allows.

The ball "is on the side of Baku - to decide here and now, or wait until the situation in Russia is even worse .. and Moscow, in principle, will not care what is there in Karabakh .."

Do not wait, the situation in Russia is only improving.

Uh-huh lol as if the Turks did not organize a "treacherous stab in the back" ..

Well, we have long wanted to seize Constantinople, just the reason will be.

[avt]

Quote: Kazbek

It’s a good time for Azeri to resolve the issue of "occupied territories".

"They decide", already in VKontakte the Azeri upload their photos with the severed head of the Armenian. You can go through the link through Regnum. Not soldiers - animals.

[hrych]

Actually, everything seems to have ended already, the aggressor was thrown back with losses, the blitzkrieg failed. The reliability of the combat reports also showed that the Armenians, speaking of the downed turntable, did not lie, but the opposite side did, denying this fact. And now I had to admit when the video appeared.
We are waiting for the resignation of the commander of the armed forces of Azerbaijan.

[hrych]

In general, something like this:

[Yeraz]

Quote: avt

Not soldiers - animals.

I have already said that the new one will be more cruel. The first recognized each other. Khojaly stamped in that war and no one will spare each other.
This moment has 1 plus. The combat zones will be instantly cleared of civilians. The Armenians understand that Azerbaijanis will be even harder to avenge Khojaly, and Azerbaijanis remember Khojaly.

[garnik64]

In the memory of the Armenians such Khojaly in relation to himself for a century is enough.

Look at YouTube, Khojaly. Between hunger and fire. Power at the cost of lives.

[scrap123]

they have no spirit of war)

[weksha50]

Quote: donavi49

The Azeris have ...

Just about ... and the Armenians have ... And practically all the weapons (well, the majority) are ours, Soviet-Russian, and on the one and the other ...

And the conflict is still the one from the Soviet era almost got ...

And how to put out this fire ??? And how can Russia not become an enemy, neither one nor the other ???

If you want, you don’t want, but you have to take sides, otherwise this conflict cannot be extinguished ...

Whose? Not even a conversation - of course, an ally in the CSTO ...

[Seal]

In the state interests of Russia, we need Azerbaijan, not Armenia. This is easily proved. So far, there, in the Transcaucasus, the conflict is smoldering, from which we are supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore to NATO side. And thus give the opportunity to Europe and the Ukrainians to build all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or deliveries of Turkmen gas to Ukraine and further to Europe. And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia. What is our national interest here? Constantly losing money directly (gifts from Armenia) and indirectly (the transit that was supposed to go through us goes by us)? Is this our state interest? Let's imagine that Georgia is entering or has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us: a) if Azerbaijan then joins b) if Armenia then joins NATO. Let's start with the last one. If Armenia joins NATO (especially when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or if Georgia is not a member of NATO, then we can assume that Turkey’s NATO member has yet another area in the east. And that's all. For us, the entry of Armenia into NATO does not create absolutely any problems. We do not have common borders with Armenia. But if Azerbaijan joins NATO, especially when Georgia is already a member of NATO, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Moreover, having appeared on the Caspian Sea, NATO may begin to control that eastern side of the Caspian Sea. Do we need it? We urgently need to change the vector of politics from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us). By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already soaped themselves with rail transit to China past Russia. And if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea. And Armenia ... Yes, to hell, we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains. It is to our advantage that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !! And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan to ourselves, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties it to Russia, then the Armenians may again begin to take Karabakh.

[Nekarmadlen]

Rich is not the one who has a lot of money, but the one who knows how to manage it correctly)))))

[ultra]

Quote: donavi49

in general, the army of Azerbaijan is much stronger than the Armenian,

On paper, yes, here the Saudis are much stronger than the Hussites in terms of weapons and what, what are the successes of the Saudi coalition?

[garnik64]

Thanks to the CSTO ally.

[monk10]

Some after this invigoration will calm down forever. Sad or vile. How right?

[An60]

Right-breasted!

[Human Factor]

It looks like. In Ukraine, too, ran out of money.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Human Factor

It looks like. In Ukraine, too, ran out of money.

The last (?) Loan, if I am not mistaken, was in August or September. Further friendly pats on the shoulder and carrots in front of the nose ...

[Chersky]

Judging by official comments, the Azerbaijanis started the same.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Chersky

Judging by official comments, the Azerbaijanis started the same.

Vesti AZ spokesman for the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan Vagif Dyargahly.

“On the night of April 2, Azerbaijani positions were fired from mortars and heavy machine guns. Settlements located along the front line were bombarded. The Azerbaijani side has taken retaliatory measures, ”V. Dyargahly said.

According to him, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are taking retaliatory measures along the front line in the Agdam, Terter, Khojavend, Fizuli directions.
“In the near future, the public will receive extensive information about the situation on the front line,” he stressed.

[garnik64]

Armenians need to keep the liberated territories, and Azerbaijanis to return what they got free then. So think about who needs it.

[weksha50]

Quote: Chersky

Judging by official comments, the Azerbaijanis started the same.

However, at all times during this conflict, the official comments of the opposing sides were surprisingly unanimous in spirit ...

One pointed to the other as the guilty ...

So all these official statements are like the results of surveys conducted by Levada ... If you want, believe it, but if you want, don’t believe ...

Who muddied the first mess - now they themselves will not figure it out ...

[Bulrumeb]

Azerbaijan launched an open attack, fighting is ongoing along the entire border with Nagorno-Karabakh

Where are Azerbaijanis, there are ears of Turks

[Boz_canavar]

I will disappoint you, we are the Turks.

[Pereira]

What is this disappointment? This is a statement of fact -Turks incite Azerbaijanis. And if you consider yourself to be an instigator, Azerbaijanis can ask you personally.

[Boz_canavar]

with all due respect I disagree with you Turkey has nothing to do with it.

[Pereira]

The ideas of pan-Turkism, destabilization in the Caucasus, Turkish propaganda in Baku. And this has nothing to do with it? Of course, while the Turks do not shoot at the Armenians. Till.

[hrych]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

we are the Turks

Cool, only the majority of Kurds live in Turkey, tens of millions of Muhajirs and others. And, with regards to the Ottomans, they themselves killed them at the beginning of the 20th century and overthrew the last Osman = Abdul-Hamid II.

[Seal]

last Osman = Abdul Hamid II.

But what kind of Ottoman is he if he was an Armenian mother? And actually the Ottoman blood in it was, God forbid, 0,001% Look through who the Ottoman sultans married. At least one Sultan had at least one ottoman the mother of that shahzade who became the next sultan?

[Otshelnik]

Armenians again in their role. They lie and steal. And they do not lie skillfully. Yesterday, they dreamed that the Armenians shot down an Azerbaijani helicopter. Maybe in computer games the Armenians can shoot down a helicopter, but only in the game.

The information that the Armenian armed forces shot down a helicopter of the Air Force of Azerbaijan does not correspond to reality. This was reported to Vesti.Az by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.

“Information about the downed helicopter of the Air Force of Azerbaijan is a blatant and cynical lie. All technical and aviation facilities are in place. This is another provocation of the Armenian side, ”the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said.

A spokesman for the Defense Ministry said the ministry would make an official statement on the situation on the front line in the near future.
http://vesti.az/news/287827

[Pereira]

Yes of course. We all remember how the Azerbaijanis beat the Armenians in the tail and mane, triumphantly ending the war in Karabakh.
I have no doubt that the series of brilliant Azerbaijani victories will continue.

[Boz_canavar]

did you look bad? there he openly said how Russian troops participated on the side of Armenia and he is a more or less knowledgeable person directly ex-in Karabakh more than once.

[pig killer]

Nevzorov reported another, although his engagement by Azerbaijanis
from the diaspora to St. Petersburg. was obvious.

[Boz_canavar]

what else ??? he openly said how Russian troops participated on the side of Armenia!
more than Nevzorov of Karabakh from Russian experts, no one is so knowledgeable, a person directly ex in Karabakh repeatedly!

[ultra]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

like Russian troops

It is always easier to justify your defeats by the participation of a third force than to look for real reasons.

[garnik64]

As well as on the side of Azerbaijan, in addition to 2000 thousand Mujahideen, 600 Chechens, Kazakhs, gray wolf cubs (who fought on the side of the Chechens against the federals) and Turkish, etc.

[Pereira]

The fact is that when there was a war in Karabakh, Russian troops stood on both front lines.
For money, they imitated the shooting of some in the direction of Armenia, some of Azerbaijan, although they aimed, of course, from scratch. I know this from the officer who really was there and shot. These are not my inventions.

[ultra]

Nevzorov said a lot of things and you won’t understand when he told the truth then or now. Do you have any evidence of the participation of Russian troops on the side of the Armenians?

[RUSS]

Baku said that information about allegedly shot down by the Armenian military helicopter of the Air Force of Azerbaijan does not correspond to reality. This was reported to Interfax by the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.

“Information about the downed helicopter of the Air Force of Azerbaijan is absolutely a lie. All technical and aviation facilities are in place. This is another provocation of the Armenian side, ”a spokesman for the ministry said.

Earlier, the press secretary of the Minister of Defense of Armenia, Artsrun Hovhannisyan, wrote on his Facebook page: “Azerbaijan has launched an open attack, fighting is ongoing along the entire length of the border with Nagorno-Karabakh.” He said that the Azerbaijani side launched artillery attacks on peaceful settlements and places of permanent deployment of a number of military units.

Sources in Armenia claim that a Mi-24 helicopter was shot down near Mount Mrav.

[garnik64]

Already recognized one helicopter. On the first channel passed.

[ultra]

Already recognized as the loss of 3 tanks.

[Hubun]

Americans muddied all the water, dogs.

[askort154]

It seems that the results of Erdogan’s trip to the USA. Our base is in Armenia.
There are two options, either Erdogan got the go-ahead, or he was “offended” by a cold reception, the loser in Syria, decided to go “to the bank”, organize another war and involve Russia. Rather, the second option. As soon as Aliyev fell for it? How was he "convinced"?

[Talgat]

"... We can only hope that reason will prevail and the authorities of both Armenia and Azerbaijan will stop the hostilities, which could lead to catastrophic consequences for the entire region ..."

Unfortunately, events are driven not by "reason" - but by the interests of the parties - and each pulls in his own direction. As well as before the 1st or 2nd world wars. There is no need to rely on the rationality of politicians - that the "smart uncles" will agree, and so on. Countries can be put in a situation - as has happened more than once in history - when decisions and development of an event will be catastrophic for everyone (but for someone from afar it can be very beneficial)

The ideal situation for Armenia is for everyone to forget and leave NPOs - but this will not work - t will not allow Azerbaijan

For Azerbaijan - to take back the NGOs - but Armenia will resist - and Russia is behind it. Iran is likely to take a pro-Russian position - which, in fact, is already doing.

Azerbaijan, as we all understand, will be supported by Turkey - and thereafter NATO - that is, escalation will involve more and more forces -

The interests of the United States and the West are obvious here - to drag Russia into the conflict in the Caucasus - and then Russia will be bound by this conflict - and will not be able to pursue the policy it needs in Ukraine or in Syria or Central Asia, etc.

Sometimes I think. maybe Russia and Armenia should negotiate conditions with Azerbaijan (neutral status - non-deployment of Turkish or NATO forces, pipeline routes, some kind of geopolitical or economic benefits - etc.) - and cede this NGO - relocate all Armenians from there to Armenia or Russia - and stabilize this site? Will less peace be reconciled with Azerbaijan and Turkey?

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Talgat

and cede this NGO - resettle all Armenians from there to Armenia or Russia

1) Relocate to Armenia? Very boldly said. Do you know that the inhabitants of Armenia do not consider all other "Armenians" as people? Especially if they have no direct relatives in Armenia. Ask the Armenians of Baku who tried to move to Armenia in the late 80s - early 90s of the last century. As a result, the majority ended up in Russia.
2) If it’s not a secret, why to Russia, and not to Kyrgyzstan or Kazakhstan? Or in the USA, which is even better. An example of the resettlement of Meskhetian Turks from Russia is still in memory.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Talgat

Azerbaijan, as we all understand, will be supported by Turkey - and then NATO

There is a mistake, NATO will not support Azerbaijan.
Because of NATO, an agreement on mutual assistance has not been signed with Turkey in the event of an attack on one of the countries, more precisely there is help, but there is no direct intervention of the armed forces. NATO blocks Turkey in this decision.

Quote: Talgat

Sometimes I think. Russia and Armenia may need to negotiate conditions with Azerbaijan (neutral status - non-deployment of Turkish or NATO forces, pipeline routes, some kind of geopolitical or economic benefits, etc.)

Azerbaijan has chosen a neutral status, there are even no thoughts about the deployment of foreign forces, and pipelines have already been built.
But if NPOs and 7 districts around NPOs are returned, Azerbaijan will host the Russian base.

[co-creator]

Eraz so was the offensive and the counteroffensive then? What really happened there?

[Yeraz]

Quotation: blooded man

Eraz so was the offensive and the counteroffensive then? What really happened there?

Nobody knows that.
About 100 military men from both sides die there every year.

And each time Azerbaijan declares that Armenia opened fire and as a result of return fire the aggressor was silent.
Also, Armenia claims Azerbaijan opened fire and shuts up with return fire)))

Therefore, the reports are completely different throughout the conflict period. Only those who are in the trenches know.

[ultra]

Quote: Yeraz

, Azerbaijan will host Russia's base.

Why do we need a base in Azerbaijan?

[ultra]

Quote: Talgat

resettle all Armenians from there to Armenia or Russia

And if they do not want?

[Seal]

NGO - resettle all Armenians from there to Armenia or Russia

Foolish !!! And let’s you better place them in yourselves, eh? We already know that in the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories there’s nowhere to spit, so as not to get into the Armenian.

[dchegrinec]

It looks like Azerbaijan began to conduct a destructive policy. It moved away somewhere in the wrong place and "climbs into the bottle." There are countries: they know what they will get and still crawl under their fists.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: dchegrinec

.Got off somewhere to the wrong place

Went away We must call Klitschko ...

[Otshelnik]

Listen smartass, since when has the liberation of your land become a destructive policy ??? !!!

[Clueless]

Actually, it was quite expected, or have you already forgotten that Americans were evacuated from Turkey? In this conflict, the Turks clearly could not do without Turks, they will obviously announce themselves soon, and then it starts.

[gg.na]

Quote: Bad

Forgot that Americans were evacuated from Turkey? In this conflict, the Turks clearly could not do without Turks, they will obviously announce themselves soon, and then it starts.

Everything is right! At first they whispered to Tihari (giving the EBCU Even More Valuable Instructions to the farther) with their farther they took them out quickly and they didn’t have any bribes from them! But the pedogan will be an entertainer, but at the direction of the partners! Something like this !

[Boz_canavar]

about the wet statements of the Armenians about the downed helicopter - they dreamed in a dream

[Bruss]

But could you briefly explain what the essence of the problem is? Why is this territory controversial? I heard the Armenian version, now I would like to hear the Azerbaijani!

[garnik64]

This territory was annexed by the Persian Empire in Armenia in the 4th century, when the Turks were not at all close. After the invasion of the Turks, they spread to the northern part of Azerbaijan and the territory of historical Armenia itself.

[garnik64]

Already 2 helicopters, 2 UAVs were shot down, and 2 tanks were shot down.

[Yegorchik]

Quote: garnik64

Already 2 helicopters, 2 UAVs were shot down, and 2 tanks were shot down.

Has the Azerbaijani aircraft carrier been sunk or have just surrounded its submarines?
Star, but you should know the measure, otherwise you’ll hit the whole army of Azerbaijan in 2 days on the Internet.

[garnik64]

Well, that’s fun .. Read the comment from ultra above. He got ahead of me. I’ve been mistaken for 3 tanks already.

[atalef]

Quote: garnik64

Already 2 helicopters, 2 UAVs were shot down, and 2 tanks were shot down.

[garnik64]

After all, they can not be dragged by the Jews with the Turks. Two fraternal people, before the arrival of Erdogan.

[garnik64]

Watch Russian television.

[ultra]

The Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense reported that 12 Azerbaijani soldiers were killed in battles with Armenian troops in Nagorno-Karabakh. An Azerbaijani Mi-24 helicopter was shot down and a tank was blown up by a mine.
Trend News Agency reports that six Armenian tanks, 15 artillery installations, as well as fortified engineering structures, were destroyed in battles.
“More than 100 military personnel of the Armenian armed forces were destroyed and wounded,” the agency claims.
The army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, in turn, said that the Azerbaijani troops lost two helicopters, two drones and three tanks.

[avt]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

about the wet statements of the Armenians about the downed helicopter - they dreamed in a dream

They posted the video from the crash site, and yours confirmed that there was no objective control over the tanks for anyone. Well now, include that they themselves shot down theirs. Yes - yours already in Contact with a severed head took a picture and laid out, the Armenians showed your entire 200s, not dismembered.

[rotmistr60]

This is the result of Aliyev’s communication (there has long been a difference with senior Aliyev) with representatives of the US State Department, plus the active work of the Turkish special services, which feel at home in Azerbaijan. Personally, my soul lies with Armenia.

[rom8726]

and I have no soul for any of the "grateful" neighbors. We came here back in the 199s from the same Karabakh, they gather in flocks, walk in crowds, behave like owners and squeeze business

[Bruss]

It’s not so simple!

[Viktor fm]

This news will be worse than similar Syrian.

[Mountain shooter]

It seems that the Turks are setting fire to the region. They inspired the Azerbaijanis that it was time to try. In Azerbaijan, the financial crisis, the best way to distract the population - a small victorious war? Someday we will find out the real background of events. But obviously not now.

[Boz_canavar]

no one inspired us, Nagorno-Karabakh will be cleared of all gangs of formations.

[Redfox3k]

My minus. Kiev thinks the same about the LPNR. Before talking about "bandit formations", think first of all about the people inhabiting NGOs. I certainly understand that you are from Azerbaijan, I understand your jingoistic patriotism, but cool it down. Turn on your head, who needs your hurray-patriotism today and for what.

[Otshelnik]

Let’s cool down, but we’ll free our lands from the beginning !!! Yes, we would also have to avenge all the meannesses of the last 100-150 years ...

[Retvizan 8]

Bold statements. It only seems to me that you are sitting somewhere warm in a cozy sofa, and not in a trench near the borders of NK?

[ultra]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Only surrenders to me you sit somewhere warm

And I’m just so sure of it! Kizdet not tossing bags!

[ultra]

Quote: Otshelnik

Let’s cool down, only from the beginning we will free our lands!

Are you already standing in line at the draft board?

[atalef]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

no one inspired us, Nagorno-Karabakh will be cleared of all gangs of formations.

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

[Stas157]

Quote: atalef

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Like it not, but Israel is the territory of Palestine, Jordan and Syria!

[Boz_canavar]

whatever you say, Jews are the original inhabitants of this region, when there were no Arabs in the project either

[rotmistr60]

You probably don't know the Old Testament at all, especially the Book of Exodus. You probably need to remind that the exodus of the Jews (slaves) was from Egypt (according to you, "then there were no Arabs in the project"). What happened next in my opinion is not worth explaining to you, tk. useless.

[alicante11]

whatever you say, Jews are the original inhabitants of this region, when there were no Arabs in the project either

Like it or not, this is not about antiquity, what was there at all, figs knows, some say that there was a Mongol-Tatar invasion, others say lies, but about the times when international law was already in force.

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

but about the times when international law was already in force.

those. The Budapest memorandum and recognition of the borders of Ukraine and Russia (each other) --- was before international law?
Further about international law and Palestine --- can you give more details?

[Cat man null]

Quote: atalef

Budapest memorandum

Alexander,

Do not make me funny .. memo randum - this is about nothing ..

[atalef]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Don’t make me funny .. memo randum is nothing.

They don’t put signatures on anything and they don’t give state guarantees

Memorandum on security guarantees in connection with the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest Memorandum) - interstate document guaranteeing compliance with the provisions of the CSCE Final Act, the UN Charter and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons with respect to Ukraine as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty [3]. Signed on December 5, 1994 by the leaders of Ukraine, USA, Russia and Great Britain.

France and China, two other parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, possessing nuclear weapons at the time of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum, provided similar guarantees by making the relevant statements, but did not put their signatures on this document

[Cat man null]

Quote: atalef

They don’t put signatures on anything and they don’t give state guarantees

And they write the words on the fence .. Alexander, it’s not for me to explain the difference between the memorandum (protocol of intentions, type), and the Agreement .. for example

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

They don’t put signatures on anything and they don’t give state guarantees

Is the network an annex to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons? It cannot be otherwise ...
Therefore, it is necessary to ratify it by the signatory parties. But the most surprising, both Russia and Ukraine have not ratified this memorandum.
That is, there are two options:
1. The memorandum is in itself - but then this is a protocol of intent and it is not necessary to legally implement it.
2. Memorandum is an annex to the contract. But since it has not been ratified by the parties, it has not entered into force and it is not necessary to fulfill it either.

[ultra]

Quote: atalef

They don’t put signatures on anything and they don’t give state guarantees

There are no special international guarantees for Ukraine giving it any special rights that distinguish it from the rights of, say, Russia. Such a document existed, it was signed by the Russian president. But the fact is that this “Memorandum” is not an international treaty, because it does not have and never had a legally binding force: the parliaments of the guarantor countries (not only Russia) did not ratify it.

[alicante11]

those. The Budapest memorandum and recognition of the borders of Ukraine and Russia (each other) --- was before international law?

And what does Russia and Ukraine have to do with it? I spoke about the claims of the Jews in Palestine.

[ultra]

Quote: atalef

Budapest memorandum and recognition of the borders of Ukraine and Russia

Yeah, and the country of the GDR was, a member of the UN, by the way, and annexed by the state to a member of NATO, without any referendum.

[avt]

Quote: atalef

Further about international law and Palestine --- can you give more details?

Since when? From the statement of Barak Khuseinovich that Israel should return to the borders of 1968, or from the moment Gromyko shouted at the UN to the Arabs to leave the sector for the state cut to the Jews by the decision of the UN Security Council? Type two were planned in the mandated territory of the shaved, well, which before leaving Menahen Begin blew up in the hotel "King David".

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

whatever you say, Jews are the original inhabitants of this region, when there were no Arabs in the project either

I advise you to read about the Semites .....

[ultra]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

these are the original inhabitants of this land,

Well, if so, then the Turks are not the original inhabitants of these parts!

[atalef]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: atalef

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Like it not, but Israel is the territory of Palestine, Jordan and Syria!

Did Jesus tell you that?
Although he forgot, he was an ancient ukr.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Stas157
Quote: atalef
Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.
Like it not, but Israel is the territory of Palestine, Jordan and Syria!
Did Jesus tell you that?

Now we are not even talking about Karabakh. The fighting is on the territory of Azerbaijan itself, which has long been occupied by the Armenians.
And as for Palestine - historically this was the name of ALL this territory - and present-day Syria, and Jordan and Israel, and Lebanon, and the current "Palestinian" enclaves.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: atalef

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Like it not, but Israel is the territory of Palestine, Jordan and Syria!

It is very interesting to hear the answer from Israel. Only Moses should not be touched.

[An60]

Look at yourself and silently give it back, then comment.

[alicante11]

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Just like the Golan - the territory of Syria.

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

Just like the Golan - the territory of Syria.

Since when ? More precisely, from what year?

[alicante11]

Since when ? More precisely, from what year?

Since the same year, as the NKAR - the territory of Azerbaijan.

[ultra]

Since the formation of the SAR in the current (internationally recognized) borders.

[atalef]

Quote: ultra

Since the formation of the SAR in the current (internationally recognized) borders.

That is, since 1946
And who gave them the Golan? England and France, first dividing the remnants of the Ottoman Empire, and then mandated by England?
And it’s strange why. is the Golan Heights (like the Syrian) - called the Golan?

Archaeological excavations that began back in the late 2th century and became systematic only after the Six Day War have uncovered many architectural monuments that testify to the existence of a large Jewish population there, at least from the time of Herod I to the Arab conquest in the XNUMXth century. The ruins of synagogues, columns with images of Jewish symbols and with inscriptions in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek were found in the villages of Hamat-Gader, Khirbet-Kanaf, Kafr-Kharib, the city of Katzrin and in many other places [XNUMX].

Learn the story. Syria is related to the Golan, less than Ukraine to the Crimea.

[Seal]

Archaeological excavations that began back in the late 2th century and became systematic only after the Six Day War have uncovered many architectural monuments that testify to the existence of a large Jewish population there, at least from the time of Herod I to the Arab conquest in the XNUMXth century. The ruins of synagogues, columns with images of Jewish symbols and with inscriptions in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek were found in the villages of Hamat-Gader, Khirbet-Kanaf, Kafr-Kharib, the city of Katzrin and in many other places [XNUMX].

http://rg.ru/2014/04/30/biblia-site.html

Professor Herzog stated: “These excavations led to the fact that it became clear that the Israelites had never been to Egypt, never roamed the desert, never conquered the land to later hand it over to the Twelve Tribes of Israel. None of the central events in Jewish history was confirmed the outcome, for example, could concern only a few families, whose history was then expanded and "nationalized" for theological reasons. "

A professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Lee Levin, wrote in his essay “Biblical Archeology”: “Egyptian sources do not mention the presence of Jews in this country ... Evidence of the conquest and settlement of the land of Canaan is as contradictory as the territory that included Israel in ancient times” (link on L. Levin was given by Michael Messing in The New York Times).
And here is the opinion of two more archaeologists: the head of the Department of Archeology at Tel Aviv University Israel Finkelstein and the archeologist and historian Neil Asher Zilberman. They claim that during the time of David and Solomon there was no kingdom, and the Old Testament itself was compiled much later, three hundred years later. The purpose of the compilation was the desire to create a national identification of Jews. Jerusalem at the time of David was a "poor village." And David himself should be considered, if not a fictional character, then a seedy tribal leader, who for some unknown reason was turned many centuries later by Jewish historiographers into the ancestor of the great dynasty.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: atalef

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

"If this is your land, fight!" - A.G. Lukashenko
The times of balobolstvo are evidently gone. The time has come to pour blood on the earth, moreover, all over the world. But was it earlier, as otherwise, that territorial disputes were different?

[ultra]

Quote: atalef

Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

De jure yes, de facto no.

[Victorio]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

no one inspired us, Nagorno-Karabakh will be cleared of all gangs of formations.

Ukrainians say the same about Donbass

[Semen Semyonitch]

That is, the full-scale hostilities with a very unpredictable outcome and very predictable losses do not bother you?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Semyon Semyonich

full-scale fighting

full-scale - on the scale of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Sneakers do not tell .. strategists, whip ..

Either a helicopter was shot down, or not .. chamomile, damn it ..

[Neohumanoyd]

This is a serious statement! Do you think this is something more than another aggravation ??? You would not argue with fools, but it would be better if you would explain what is happening now .. I feel you know something ....

[ultra]

Why aren't you at the forefront?

[Million]

I think this business could not have done without the Americans.

[Yarik]

We urgently need to cancel the arrangement of the mosque at Kuznets. To arrange a synagogue in revenge.

[slava5553]

The nuclear security summit has passed, instructions from the "big boss" have been received. In what other place did Uncle Sem give the go-ahead for the war?

[igorra]

It’s called Aliyev traveled to the USA, received support and forward. The son is not at all a father; he has fallen far from seeing a peach.

[Boz_canavar]

influential Armenian diaspora in the United States - I will open my eyes to you - the United States supports Armenians, where the president of Armenia is now - in the United States at the summit (like your ally)

[garnik64]

Where is your president? You are right about the United States; they are not interested in defeating Armenia.

[Boz_canavar]

Well, we understand this, but what does your strategic ally Armenia do at this decaying summit in the USA?

[co-creator]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

influential Armenian diaspora in the usa - I will open my eyes to you - the usa supports Armenians,

I agree. Moreover, I’m even sure that they advised the United States to leave the base in Armenia in the 90s of the Russian Federation. They kicked us from everywhere, but for some reason they left us and did not speak a word against it. For good Putin, it was necessary to curtail the base slowly back in the mid-2000s. but unfortunately, the Russian Federation also has a large Armenian lobby, and we did not have our own independent foreign policy.

Armenians do not care about the Russian Federation and we actually "protect" them on the initiative of the same USA.

[ultra]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

at the summit (supposedly your ally)

He is an ally, not a vassal.

[Seal]

Armenians communicate with the Yankees
From the report on lobbying in the USA for 2014.
In total, in 2014 more than $ 5 billion was spent on lobbying in America. So, Congress took 2,1 billion from lobbyists, and the US Chamber of Commerce received $ 170 million. The five leading companies that spent the largest amount of funds on foreign policy lobbying include: Squire Patton Boggs ($ 17), Akin, Gump et al ($ 755), Podesta Group ($ 000), Brownstein , Hyatt et al ($ 17), and Holland & Knight ($ 150). Big changes have also occurred in the Top 000 leading ethno-lobbying influence groups. The US-Israel Social Affairs Group has maintained a leading position. The Israeli lobby has obtained from Congress not only an increase in external allocations amid a general budget cut, but also the allocation of $ 12 million to improve the Iron Dome missile defense systems.

The second line is still kept by the Armenian National Committee of America, which, compared to last year, has noticeably increased. So, in the group of Armenian affairs of the Congress today are 113 legislators against 92 in 2013. In addition, members of the Armenian caucus are the chairmen of the following committees: on international affairs (the House of Representatives and the Senate), on external allocations (the House of Representatives and the Senate) and the leader of the Democratic majority of the Senate. The Armenian lobby managed to maintain the US government’s allocation of gratuitous financial assistance to Armenia and the NKR, lobby the California state to adopt a resolution recognizing the NKR’s independence, as well as the adoption by the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs of the "Act in support of justice on the Armenian Genocide" and the "Return of Christian Confiscated Christian Turkey shrines. "

The problem for the Armenians is that Azerbaijan is now very good friends with Israel. Therefore, the Israeli lobby in the US Congress supports whom? And the Israeli lobby is almost twice as strong as the Armenian one!
Armenia is an ally only to itself. And she listens exclusively to the States. Since it is the States that allocate money for the maintenance of Karabakh. And Armenia falls no less than from us. Therefore, this our "ally" has not yet recognized and does not recognize that Crimea is Russia. Afraid that the States will be weaned from the trough.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Where are you, USSR !? The spotted reptile has heaped up so much that the devils of the ages can not, even though again unite everyone in the USSR, and Joseph Vissarionych with Lavreny Palych in the characters, I represent the "concern" of the "partners"

[Stas157]

Quote: Boz_Canavar

no one inspired us, Nagorno-Karabakh will be cleared of all gangs of formations.

Zombie said!))) The war in Karabakh is the road to nowhere! This is a disaster for Azerbaijan! Nobody needs it except the USA and Turkey! The alignment of forces is clearly not on the side of Azerbaijan! Russia will be forced to intervene. Do not be a pawn in the wrong hands.

[Otshelnik]

Well, do not bother us on the hike to anywhere !!! And keep your "worries" with you!

[Yegorchik]

Why zombies? Why do you begin to call a person who has his own point of view different from yours? For him, this is a war for his land seized by the occupiers and he is a patriot of his country as you are his own. And why should Russia intervene? This conflict does not fit the CSTO treaty, or do you seriously think that the Armenians are allies of Russia? The Armenians are situational clings for the most part oriented to the West and sucking the udder of Russia only because their country is strategically NATO is not needed in FIG.

[Boz_canavar]

Thank you for your objectivity Igor

[atalef]

Quote: Stas157

The war in Karabakh is the road to nowhere! This is a disaster for Azerbaijan!

They want to return their territories. The road to nowhere happened when Armenians squeezed these territories from Azerbaijan.

Quote: Stas157

The alignment of forces is clearly not on the side of Azerbaijan

It’s just on his side, but I think it’s not going to end with anything.

[Stas157]

Quote: atalef

They want to return their territories. The road to nowhere happened when Armenians squeezed these territories from Azerbaijan.

Yes, Azerbaijan as a state has never been, but Armenia is a centuries-old state whose lands occupied the territory of modern Azerbaijan right up to the Caspian.

Quote: atalef

It’s just on his side, but I think it’s not going to end with anything.

If a serious war begins (which I think Russia will not allow) between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Russia will not be able to stay away.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Stas157

but Armenia is a centuries-old state whose lands occupied the territory of modern Azerbaijan right up to the Caspian.

And in what period of history was this ?? I’m just curious to know about your data)))

[Stas157]

Quote: Yeraz

And in what period of history was this ?? I’m just curious to know about your data)))

Yes, this is not my data! There is more than enough data in the network if you dig in! Well, for example, this is what French historians say about Armenia and Azerbaijan, which are difficult to convict of bias:
At 1,18 minutes, a map of ancient Armenia.

[Seal]

As the adjutant of Pan Ataman Gritian Tavrichesky Papondopulus said in the film "Wedding in Malinovka" Take it, take it, I'll draw it for myself. "
Now, if you had presented a GENUINE ancient map, then it would be a different matter.
And so .. after all, the Catalan Atlas dating from 1375 AD is considered to be the oldest of the GENUINE maps that have survived to this day. Alas, nothing earlier in the originals has reached us (before the New Time). Try to find Armenia on it at all. Good luck searching

[garnik64]

Empire of Tigran the Great. How do you know about him. Your story begins from the 11th century. It is still loudly said. Specifically, your tribes of Akkoyuns, Kara-Koyuns appeared later.

[Seal]

And yours not earlier. And Georgian too. The oldest of the GENUINE maps that have survived to this day is the Catalan Atlas, dating from 1375 AD. Alas, nothing earlier in the originals has reached us (before the New Time). Try to find Armenia on it at all. Good luck searching

[andj61]

Quote: Stas157

Yes, Azerbaijan as a state has never been, but Armenia is a centuries-old state whose lands occupied the territory of modern Azerbaijan right up to the Caspian.

Yes, Armenia has never occupied the territory to the Caspian! The territory of present Antalya-Alania in Turkey was owned by the Armenian principality, and never by the coast of the Caspian Sea.
And on the territory of Azerbaijan, and present Armenia, there were many different Turkic states that existed at the same time as Great Armenia, and even after it.

[Yeraz]

Quote: andj61

Yes, Armenia has never occupied the territory to the Caspian!

It is useless))) Now they will prove that the village of MyardakYAN near Baku is an ancient Armenian village))) Like ShuvalyAN)))

[ultra]

Quote: Stas157

Yes, Azerbaijan as a state has never been, but Armenia is a centuries-old state whose lands occupied the territory of modern Azerbaijan right up to the Caspian.

They didn’t occupy, the Armenian lands were in the territory of modern Turkey-Kars, Trebizond, territories in the area of ​​Lake Van. Actually, the Russian army liberated these territories in the 1st World War. But then a coup of 17 years did not happen, and they could overcome Constantinople.

[Seal]

Yes, Azerbaijan as a state has never been, but Armenia is a centuries-old state whose lands occupied the territory of modern Azerbaijan right up to the Caspian.

Excuse me, but can I ask you to present at least one written DOCUMENT left over from this "centuries-old" state, clearly dated "in the meantime"?

[alicante11]

They want to return their territories. The road to nowhere happened when Armenians squeezed these territories from Azerbaijan.

Arabs also want to return their territories, for some reason this does not bother you.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

They want to return their territories. The road to nowhere happened when Armenians squeezed these territories from Azerbaijan.
Quote: Stas157
The alignment of forces is clearly not on the side of Azerbaijan
It’s just on his side, but I think it’s not going to end with anything.

Armenia only "wrestled" Karabakh. But to ensure this squeezing out, it additionally occupied 20 percent of the territory of Azerbaijan. This is the road to nowhere.
And according to the balance of power, here, in my opinion, it is clear to everyone: the army of Azerbaijan will be stronger now, but it will not see victory and both sides will wash it with blood. After all, losses in the offensive 3: 1 compared with the defenders. Yes, even in the mountains and in prepared positions.
Here you just need to negotiate.

[Redfox3k]

Hard. Isn’t it easier to introduce a visa regime?

[grandson of the hero]

Russia can’t turn aside from this conflict and stay away. Finding right or wrong is very difficult. The conflict is very old, and the roots are so general ...
I'll tell you about one trip to Baku as part of an auto television column. On our side, we were immediately warned: "It is better for this not to cross the border (the man has an Armenian surname, but the Muscovite is in the third generation - his ancestors fled from the vicinity of Lake Van), they will stop you and he will simply be lost, forever. Do not risk it, he is there for about five minutes. "Ten and more anything, but nothing good." Already on the other side, at the customs, we got into a conversation with the long-range. Six months ago, he was carrying a cargo from Belarus to Iran. The sender has an Armenian surname, Polish citizenship. He lagged behind at the border for three days and was not allowed to go under various pretexts. And they warned: if you are going to balk, the cargo along with the truck will simply disappear, right here, at the customs ...
But in the real incitement to the conflict there is not the slightest doubt in the direct assistance of the Turkish side.

[Thompson]

Apparently it's time to return Ararat!

[Boz_canavar]

who are the Armenians?

[An60]

Well, not for you?

[atalef]

Quote: An60

Well, not for you?

So Ararat is kind of like in Turkey.

[Bruss]

Ararat specifically in Turkey!

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

So Ararat is kind of like in Turkey.

70s, Armenia. Real history. Guide: "Attention, on the right we can see the symbol of Armenia, the Great Ararat mountain, which is temporarily located in the territory of Turkey!"

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Quote: atalef

So Ararat is kind of like in Turkey.

[co-creator]

Quote: Thompson

Thompson (1) Today, 11:04 am New
Apparently it's time to return Ararat!

DREAM OF THE ARMENIANS, THAT THE RUSSIANS WOULD CONQUER ARAAT FOR THEM AND HAVE GOT OUT THERE FROM THERE.

[rotmistr60]

Quote: atalef
Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Did the atalef decide that again? Before writing this, I would talk with the Armenians. I hope that your brains would set a quick slider for you.

[Yegorchik]

Quote: rotmistr60

Quote: atalef
Like it or not, and the NKAR is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Did the atalef decide that again?

No, this is a statement of fact.

[rotmistr60]

And who witnessed this fact? Do not tell me a citizen of Kazakhstan? Your avatar is certainly cool. Did you have to serve yourself?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: rotmistr60

And who witnessed this fact?

Is the UN enough? Or all countries to list including Russia?

[Shark Lover]

Aghdam direction ..... Remember, the barmatuha used to be Aghdam !!!

[kalita]

Russia must again reconcile these freaks. Our bases are in Armenia and if anything, then Azerbaijanis will have to be tight.

[donavi49]

However, again, the Azeris have superiority in the initial technique. They bought both MSTU, Tornadoes, and TOSs, and about 100 T-90CA, and about 100 Belarusian T-72 pumped up to SIM with an Israeli SLA, plus they have a lot of good city-like batch reloading (Turkish and Israeli) in the war in the mountains, it will work very, very well, they also have about 100 BTR-80А and about 100 BMP-3М - which, again, in the mountains will be a great help for mobile connections (Armenians have nothing to counter), and they have BMP-2 converted by Elbit with the installation of TPV and other sweets. Plus, the Azeris really have a lot of all kinds of Matadors, Gyurz and other Cobras - nevertheless, this is an armored and land-resistant vehicle, unlike UAZs of Armenia.

Plus, the Armenian army has degraded in recent years, salaries are small, purchases on credit or as a gift, again in the last 1,5 years a whole chain of political crises and mass protests took place, which should also be taken into account. Unlike relative calm in Azerbaijan, active purchases of equipment, high salaries from the military, and generally the highest prestige of service, active combat training, both at home and abroad.

That is, if the porridge really starts brewing, it’s not a fact that it will be possible to get by with the limited support of the Armenians. Plus, the Azeri had a really good anti-aircraft defense, C-300PMU + TORA + BARAK-8 + Pechora 2TM + any Wasp-Arrows in relief would be quite effective.

By the way, there in Syria, the broads as if on command went on a large-scale offensive in South Aleppo.

They took the key NP El Ace, the skyscraper and are now making their way to the Khan Fog - which could bring down the entire position of the Syrian Army. At the tip is Nusra, who has deployed troops from Idlib, Ahrar and Jeysh al-Tahrir. Most likely, they will have to be distracted and cast iron equalized. For there the front is held by the NDF, freshly formed units from those mobilized in Latakia and Homs, as well as Iraqi volunteers as cement.

[Neohumanoyd]

If this regional conflict develops into a full-fledged war, the Russian side will bear great responsibility and great financial losses. They are trying to exhaust us, having bogged down in conflicts in all directions. And for hot and stupid goals - imagine for a minute (purely hypothetically) the Armenian side has launched a full-scale attack on Azerbaijani territory, do you think Putin will not stop this ?, and will not return the sides to their original borders ???

[Anchonsha]

Dear friend, where did you get that it was the Armenians who went on the offensive? Here it is just not profitable for them to start a war game.

[v1tz]

Why did the Communists at one time not leave Karabakh in Armenia: but they could easily do it. The Armenian roots there are much deeper after all, and the Karabakh khanate was formed there only in the 18th century and the migration of Turks there.

[TiGRoO]

Because the Communists (including myself) were naive. Thought with mass education, the peoples will not be at enmity on the basis of nat-sign, but people are too easy to push against each other ...

[v1tz]

I agree ... in the Soviet period they were stuffed with territories who needed and not needed, including the territory of Ukraine, we thought everything would be one whole, but it turned out to be a "bomb".

[ultra]

Quote: v1tz

Why did the Communists in their time not leave Karabakh in Armenia:

Yes, they tricked a lot of things.

[Yarik]

Communists, opportunists, masturbators and other -ists. And why not just leave it that way until it "settles down"?

[Seal]

How did Kartli Tsar Vakhtang VI justify himself to our Peter I, why he and other Georgian and Armenian kings and bastards did not come to our aid in 1722, when our troops occupied Derbent, starved in him, because the storm destroyed all our sea vessels with supplies .
And he said that he walked, walked, but did not reach. Since he was forced to suppress the Lezghin uprising in Karabakh.

So what follows from this?
The first one. It is likely that in the beginning of the 18th century, Karabakh was under Georgian (Kartli) jurisdiction.
The second one. At the beginning of the 18th century, Lezgins lived in Karabakh. Which at the most inopportune moment rebelled against Vakhtang VI Kartli.

[akudr48]

It will be difficult for Russia to reconcile these proud princes, God forbid to intervene directly.

Given the military operations in Syria, the fire in the Donbass, the troubled border with the Crimea, as well as the swelling Caucasus, this is exactly what their western progressive democratic community wants - to surround Russia with a ring of fire.

In these conditions, Donbass and Crimea should be priorities for Russia!

[Anchonsha]

Well, Aliyev’s friends will not stop now and will push him to military operations for a long time. But in vain, only people will be killed. Now. that Baku, that in Nagorno-Karabakh, equal forces are pulled together and there will be only great losses without victories.

[weksha50]

"It is hoped that the mind will prevail, and the authorities of both Armenia and Azerbaijan will stop the hostilities "...


Yes, there is no hope there ... And this NGO will blaze there, passing from hand to hand in the time range ...

This is lousy ... near our borders former citizens of the formerly once united country are fighting to death ...

PS Someone once without thinking drew borders, and after the collapse of the USSR, all these problems were a spark for igniting the bonfire of war ...

[Strashila]

It’s just that Azerbaijan’s dependence on the cost of oil is several times higher than that of Russia ... the influx of money from Russia from migrant workers and the diaspora has dried up ... plus spring exacerbation after visiting Turkey.

[vanavatny]

damn geography: forever we have that, “allies,” that their opponents do not cause anything with a stick between their ears. Armenians in general as an appendix: were we born with him or what?

[garnik64]

Take the ARMENIAN from the profile picture.

[vanavatny]

the fool doesn’t understand the difference between Soviet, Armenian, Russian, Jewish men and I got a sickle in my head on the parade ground with a hammer I’m now from the officer’s funeral and I didn’t come to all of you and if the gdp says with blood I will wash your diasporas

[vanavatny]

just argued and therefore forced to write: it is generally accepted that even among Armenians there are those who do not need to explain in detail what is conscience and honor

[MRomanovich]

The American analytical agency predicted an aggravation of the conflict in the second quarter of 2016 and, according to the scenario, according to the information agencies, they shoot at the Armenian soldier on April 1, after which the Armenians shoot from mortars towards Azerbaijan, then a serious conflict begins with mutual accusations. I don’t know exactly what happened there and how serious the conflict was in fact over the past day and a half, as I am not inclined to believe news sites, but a pre-planned scenario is clearly played out that is not beneficial to either side. In my opinion, the conflict is beneficial to the smoked president and his minions from NATO countries. To many, my suspicion seems too straightforward and even dumb, but people like you and I do the politics — not smarter and not dumber, and Western politics has become so straightforward and predictable (due to impunity, permissiveness, a sense of superiority) that even you don’t need to think whose hands it is.

[Eastern wind]

Azerbaijan is pro-Turkish ... everything.

[Seal]

Armenia is pro-American ... that's it.

[hrych]

In terms of finances, pro-American and pro-French, in terms of militarism, pro-Russian (or is there a French base in Gyumri?), And economically pro-Iranian. So the state conducts the correct state policy in the interests of its people. Her existence and state policy fit into the spectrum of our interests. Now we are thrashing economically along cut-off Turkmenistan, forcing them to develop gas flows to the PRC, and not to the West (by the way, I think we agreed with the PRC). And Erdogan sees Turkmenistan and cries, but he can’t do anything. By the way, Armenia is another reason to quarrel NATO members, again lower the Turks, etc.

[pts-m]

Interesting. They’re fighting for what? Mountains are mountains. I don’t understand a meaningless slaughter. Or markets were not divided.

[Otshelnik]

Azerbaijani troops recaptured tactical heights from the Armenians in the Agderin direction. Details of the causes of the clashes between the Azerbaijani and Armenian forces on the front line in Karabakh became known to Haqqin.az.

The Armenian troops opened fire on the eve of tactical heights in the Terter direction, from where they fired on the Azerbaijani civilian population. As a result of the counter-offensive actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, these heights were repulsed from the enemy and now Terter’s civilian population is not in danger.
http://haqqin.az/news/67144

[Kibalchish]

In principle, the logic of a normal ruler of Russia (not Putin) should be as follows - in Syria and Armenia we turn everything off, let them shoot each other until blue in the face, and focus on Ukraine.

[pig killer]

Russia is being pushed towards this "logic" by the United States, which launched its Ukrainian project in 2014.

[SHAMAN]

Quote: Kibalchish

In principle, the logic of a normal ruler of Russia (not Putin) should be as follows - in Syria and Armenia we turn everything off, let them shoot each other until blue in the face, and focus on Ukraine.

It is the West that offers us that ... Oh, you sly c ... uuka! ))))) At you here how many! We will water everyone ...!

[Shpagolom]

.... offer the position of an ostrich ... hide your head, but at this time in the ass are not afraid?
..Unfortunately (joyfully), the interests of the Russian Federation and in Syria ... Armenia ..... Ukraine .... and so on, because it is not Liechtenstein ....!
... Only in the case of Azerbaijan and Armenia of the Russian Federation it is impossible to categorically take any side, but only in the image of a peacemaker and arbiter!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Quote: Kibalchish

in Syria and Armenia we turn off all matters, let each other shoot at least until blue in the face, and focus on Ukraine.

The NATO general would applaud while standing.

[Koshak]

Here is a map for information.

[Chisayna]

Where's Yeraz? Probably feverishly packing his bags to leave for his historic homeland?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chisain

Where's Yeraz? Probably feverishly packing his bags to leave for his historic homeland?

I’m here and willingness to fly at the Highest Level. You don’t worry about me. I should at least die meaningfully defending my homeland and Muslim lands and should be in paradise (although I didn’t think about it, but not a bad bonus) Another question is whether you want to be there die for the Armenians, if so then I will be on the other side)))

[Stas157]

Quote: Yeraz

Do you want to die there for the Armenians, if so then I will be on the other side)))

Do not even hope! Russia, if anything, is unlikely to send its ground forces, but will act remotely! No-fly zone, precision weapons, etc. Azerbaijanis will have no chance! But, I want to reassure you, Russia will do everything so that the conflict does not develop into a large-scale war!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Stas157

Do not even hope!

and I do not want to hope.

Quote: Stas157

But, I want to reassure you, Russia will do everything so that the conflict does not develop into a large-scale war!

This will happen according to the policy of Russia will be such as there are changes I do not see.
But right now, yes, I will not return further to the growth of the conflict.

[Stas157]

Quote: Yeraz

This will happen according to the policy of Russia will be such as there are changes I do not see.
But right now, yes, I will not return further to the growth of the conflict.

I think that will not happen. Because relations with large and rich Azerbaijan are much more important for Russia than with poor little Armenia. Yes, and simply because Russia does not need this conflict in general! These two fraternal peoples fought with us in the Great Patriotic War, together we broke the ridge of the fascist invaders! This is not forgotten! I am sure Putin will agree with Aliyev.

[ultra]

Quote: Stas157

Because relations with large and rich Azerbaijan are much more important for Russia

Dear, you probably have little contact with representatives of these diasporas in Russia. Azerbaijan is very (to put it mildly) strong about Turkish sentiment, including in the Russian diaspora.

[Seal]

. Azerbaijan is very (to put it mildly) strong about Turkish sentiments, including in the Russian diaspora.

A rare and even the rarest Armenian family has no relatives in the United States. Including Russian Armenians.

[Aleksey11]

If you look at the map, it is obvious that a military conflict is inevitable. Therefore, Armenia and Azerbaijan need to make a compromise. In my opinion, this may be a concession of territories, as a result of which Azerbaijan receives a "passage" in the south and recognizes part of the territory of Karabakh for Armenia. The ratio of the proportions of the received territories is already a question of the Peace negotiations.

[Lexeus]

YES the Azerbaijanis do not need peace now and the land is not in the land, Istanbul is gearing, and he needs a fire in the region to draw Russia into yet another mess.

[Yeraz]

Ohh it has begun, the State Department, the Turks, the Azerbaijanis are traders, how can they not agree in peace))))

I won’t argue about the fact that THESE ARE THE LANDS OF AZERBAIJAN and the country that doesn’t want to give 2 rocks to the Japanese wants Azerbaijan to bargain over 20% of its lands.
And that there are 3 countries as co-chairs:
The USA is a Christian country, one of the most powerful Armenian diasporas in the world in terms of strength and number, and second only to the Jewish one in the USA.
France is a Christian country, the second largest Armenian diaspora in the world. There are a lot of Armenians in the government.
Russia is a Christian country-ALLY of Armenia.
And these countries are settling the dispute))))

It will happen that a war will break out - this is a fact, both from participants in the conflict and from outside.
Azerbaijan will chase the Armenians, but Russia will intervene and Azerbaijan will be killed.
And as a result of this, 2 scenarios will develop in Azerbaijan.
1. Azerbaijan will turn into an ultra-nationalist state hostile to the Russian Federation - Aliyev is now crushing nationalism.
2.Azerbaijan will turn into Syria. There will be Islamist and nationalist groups throughout the country without a single control.
Both scenarios harm the Russian Federation, since the Russian Caucasus will blaze. It’s one thing to crush terrorists there when the Azerbaijani border is controlled and everything is normal on the other side, it’s another thing if it is a passageway and also with support. The situation with Turkey, who cannot defeat the Kurds, because The PKK on the other side of the border in Iraq feels comfortable and Syria, where the terrorists in Turkey feel comfortable.
This is bogging down Russia in a conflict. Which harms it, but benefits its rivals.

In Azerbaijan, some say they won’t risk the pipes, but oil from Iraq and Syria is calmly traveling in caravans, although the entire region is engulfed in conflict. The same thing will happen here, oil and gas will continue to be withdrawn.


Therefore, comrades, jingoistic patriots (this does not apply to everyone, but to those who like to fight and dictate to strangers how to dispose of their land and set a tick to trade) do you want to continue to support the Armenians forward and die for them please, We will die for our Motherland anyway, you think you make us anything, it doesn’t make a difference. The Soviet generation is dying out, and the new nationalist and Islamic generation will be happy to die for Pan-Turkism and for Allah.ksta

Let’s just check the strength of the organizations created by the Russian Federation with the participation of Turkish countries.

[538246]

When Armenia joined the EAEU, Kazakhstan insisted on the exclusion of Nagorno-Karabakh from it.
Therefore, we do not consider Nagorno-Karabakh as the territory of Armenia, and in the event of an attempt to involve the CSTO forces in this conflict, it cannot be said that the mandate obliges Kazakhstan to take the side of Armenia. I think Russia in this international situation will not take part in the conflict. At the moment, everything depends from the desire to go to the end and from the Azerbaijanis themselves.

[iouris]

You won't be able to hide your head in the sand: the floor is concrete. This is geopolitics. Here the choice is made for a long time, if not forever. Either you firmly defend your geopolitical interests, or they eat you. And they will eat it.

[alicante11]

Therefore, we do not consider Nagorno-Karabakh as the territory of Armenia, and in the event of an attempt to involve the CSTO forces in this conflict, it cannot be said that the mandate obliges Kazakhstan to take the side of Armenia.

Don’t worry, no one is forcing you, it’s still pointless, zero tenths, etc. We’ll handle it ourselves, if you don’t know, then this alliance is needed solely to make it more difficult for you to wag your tail towards the West and so that if this wagging ends badly, you will have a reason to defend your borders on the distant approaches and on your territory.

[538246]

Can you be more specific? What are you talking about now?
About the role of Kazakhstan in the CSTO or the EAEU.
And what and how did you decide to cope?
From this place on in more detail.

[alicante11]

About the role of Kazakhstan in the CSTO or the EAEU.

About the role of the sixes in the CSTO and the EAEU.

And what and how did you decide to cope?

With putting things in order in your zone of influence. Rodents have already experienced this on their own skin, and anyone who wants can repeat their experience.

[538246]

Kazakhstan is one of the most active participants in the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The very initiative to create the CSTO and the EAEU belonged, among other things, to the President of the Republic N.A. Nazarbayev. and such initiatives for our integration activities, for collective efforts in the process of ensuring security, constantly come from the leadership of the republic. The task of the CSTO is to protect the territorial and economic space of the countries participating in the treaty through the joint efforts of armies and auxiliary units from any external military-political aggressors, international terrorists, as well as from large-scale natural disasters.

Unfortunately, I don’t know anything about your zone of influence. Perhaps it is limited by your psychedelic fantasy.

[alicante11]

Kazakhstan is one of the most active participants in the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

Can you find out more about this activity? For example, when Russian peacekeepers, who seemed to be your allies, were killed, tell us how Nazarbayev’s falcons came to their aid. So there is no need to talk about any activity. Kazakhstan, like other CSTO members, are simply springboards for the possible deployment of Russian troops in the event of a war with NATO.

Unfortunately, I don’t know anything about your zone of influence. Perhaps it is limited to your psychedelic fantasy

Well, for God’s sake, you can continue to bury your head in the sand, reveling in your “independence” until you get your Maydown, with all that it entails. Instead of actually helping allies.

[garnik64]

Nobody is counting on the Kazakhs. They will be on the side of their brothers. I am sure that Azerbaijan will suddenly succeed, Kazakhstan will be a problem for Russia.

[ultra]

Quote: 538246

When Armenia joined the EAEU, Kazakhstan insisted on the exclusion of Nagorno-Karabakh from it

Nonsense, Karabakh didn’t figure in any way there!

[538246]

In your opinion, where should customs posts be?

[His]

Hello! I wonder why there were no such wars during the USSR? Or why this incipient massacre did not happen several years ago, or, in extreme cases, this winter.
The borders of the Russian state are once again restless. We'll have to put things in order. And we are not to blame for this.
The story about our borders dates back to epic fairy tale times and does not stop.
They also ask whether Russians want war.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Own

Hello! I wonder why there were no such wars during the USSR?

Well, there was a strong KGB and the army, which froze it.
As soon as it weakened, everything burst into flames.
Right now in Dagestan there is no interethnic massacre, tomorrow bring Dagestan from the Russian Federation, they will immediately slaughter each other for the Kumyks, Avaristan and Lezgistan. And then there is the dispute over Khasavyurt with the Chechens)) And the Ingush and Ossetians will be inflamed with love for each other)))
The fact that it was kept silent and withheld did not mean that it did not exist.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Own

Hello! I wonder why there were no such wars during the USSR?

Since the USSR is socialist state. That is, based on the ideas of internationalism and friendship of peoples and with public ownership of the means of production.
As soon as this was abandoned as part of perestroika, everything collapsed. Endless conflicts began, both social (over property) and national (over land).

[alicante11]

I won’t argue about the fact that THESE ARE THE LANDS OF AZERBAIJAN and the country that doesn’t want to give 2 rocks to the Japanese wants Azerbaijan to bargain over 20% of its lands.

Don't compare Russia and Azerbaijan. Russia is a power, and Azerbaijan is a temporary entity on territory lost by Russia.

[SHAMAN]

Quote: alicante11

Don't compare Russia and Azerbaijan. Russia is a power, and Azerbaijan is a temporary entity on territory lost by Russia.

Tomato markets are holding.....

[Odysseus]

Quote: Yeraz

I won’t argue about the fact that THIS IS THE LANDS OF AZERBAIJAN

Legally, yes, it is impossible to argue. But in fact, Azerbaijan lost the first war.
I know Karabakh well - it is a mountain fortified area. It can be taken either by an army with a powerful air force, or by an army with excellent soldiers and absolutely insensitive to losses (such as the DPRK).
The Azerbaijani army will not take Karabakh. And no Russia (which will not interfere in the conflict) has anything to do with it. So why this senseless multi-year massacre?
Why can't we agree? For example, Armenia gives up 7 regions of Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan recognizes the NKR, both sides unblock the Nakhichevan-Karabakh border?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Odyssey

The Azerbaijani army will not take Karabakh. And no Russia (which will not interfere in the conflict) has anything to do with it.

Still, what does it have to do with it. We would have technologically bypassed them long ago and would have simply taken them out of starvation.

Quote: Odyssey

Why can't we agree? For example, Armenia gives up 7 regions of Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan recognizes the NKR, both sides unblock the Nakhichevan-Karabakh border?

Do you understand what you are proposing?? That is, Moscow conditionally breaks away from Russia, where the share of non-Russians at a certain point exceeds the share of Russians, along the way they seize purely Russian-populated regions, well, let’s say Pskov, Novgorod, Murmansk. And an Azerbaijani will come to you he says, why don’t you agree, they will give you these regions, and give you Moscow))))
This is complete nonsense.
2. These are our lands. Autonomy within the NKAO with the return of the Azerbaijani population of NKAO and complete expulsion from 7 regions where there was no one at all.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Yeraz

Still, what does it have to do with it. We would have technologically bypassed them long ago and would have simply taken them out of starvation.

Russia sells weapons to both sides, and to Azerbaijan they are much more modern (Armenians, by the way, are very unhappy with this). Technologically, the Azerbaijani army is stronger. What is Russia’s fault here and where is its intervention?

Quote: Yeraz

Do you understand what you are proposing?? That is, Moscow conditionally breaks away from Russia, where the share of non-Russians at a certain point exceeds the share of Russians, along the way they seize purely Russian-populated regions, well, let’s say Pskov, Novgorod, Murmansk. And an Azerbaijani will come to you he says, why don’t you agree, they will give you these regions, and give you Moscow))))

I propose a compromise. If it is bad, offer your own. As for your example, it is incorrect. After all, the Armenians did not take Baku from you. But that’s not even the point, Russia, faced with military or political defeat, has lost its lands many times. including in the 20th century. They survived nothing - they were not offended by the whole world. Imagine what would happen if Russia now began to wage a war to the bitter end for the return of all the territories that were part of the Russian Empire.
However, if you think that Azerbaijan has a chance to take Karabakh by military means, then it would be stupid on your part to compromise.
I treat both Armenians and Azerbaijanis equally well. In this case, I feel sorry for the people.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Odyssey

After all, the Armenians did not take Baku from you.

But they say that Baku is originally Azerbaijani, but Karabakh is not? This is where the dispute ends. No one can challenge the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and trade with it.

Quote: Odyssey

However, if you think that Azerbaijan has a chance to take Karabakh by military means, then it would be stupid on your part to compromise.

Only in one case, obtaining a guarantee from the Russian Federation about non-interference.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Yeraz

But they say that Baku is originally Azerbaijani, but Karabakh is not?

And who is original and who is not? You don’t understand. Your example is incorrect, because in it you say that Moscow (the capital and center of the state) was taken away from us, and you compare it with Karabakh, the outskirts of the state. If you are talking about Moscow, then you need to compare it with Baku. And no Baku, like I wrote to you, the Armenians did not take it from you. Your example would be correct if you compared the taking of Karabakh, say, with Russia’s loss of the North Caucasus.

Quote: Yeraz

No one can challenge the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and trade with it.

He cannot challenge it. Your statement (as well as the opinion of the Armenians who do not want to give you even 7 regions) is the path to an endless war, and most importantly to a hopeless war.
P.S. By the way, this stage of the war has already ended - the Azerbaijani authorities decided to unilaterally stop all military operations in the Karabakh conflict zone. RIA Novosti reported this today, April 3, with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.
Well, why was all this?

[alicante11]

Do you understand what you are proposing?? That is, Moscow is conditionally breaking away from Russia,

In general, I would be all for it; if Moscow broke away, more and more money would remain in Russia.
But seriously, I repeat once again, do not compare the incomparable. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia are territories of Russia that were legally separated from it, but remained in the zone of influence, and therefore only Russia can decide within what borders these entities may be located. The problem is that NATO is sticking its nose into this matter, which is trying to provoke Russian territories to oppose Russia, but rodents will tell you how this ends at the present time.

[garnik64]

If the co-chairing countries were Muslim, they themselves would have destroyed Armenia.

[Yeraz]

Quote: garnik64

If the co-chairing countries were Muslim, they themselves would have destroyed Armenia.

We are not talking about all co-chairs being Muslim, but a balance must be maintained.

[ultra]

Quote: Yeraz

Both scenarios harm the Russian Federation, since the Russian Caucasus will burn.

Azerbaijan's influence on the North Caucasus is minuscule!

[Yeraz]

Quote: ultra

Azerbaijan's influence on the North Caucasus is minuscule!

Are you so sure???
Your neighbor’s house is on fire and you think the fire won’t spread to you? You’re an optimist)))
The only independent country in the Caucasus with the largest Muslim population will burn; the North Caucasus will not catch fire))
Chaos Azerbaijan on the border with Dagestan, where a bunch of radical Islamists will only strengthen these radicals.

[ultra]

Quote: Yeraz

Are you so sure???

At 100%.

[SHAMAN]

Azerbaijan is Türkiye.....Crush them and that's it! We pump up Armenia with weapons, they are good wars in tank biathlon! You can even take Baku! (in a tricky way..)))

[el-nino]

If Russia and the United States do not intervene in the situation and use the conflict to their advantage, then both sides will quickly fizzle out.
And they will continue to hate each other, but quietly

[Lexeus]

On Facebook, Azerbaijanis are outraged that the Russian media is on the side of the Armenians......

[Yeraz]

Quote: Lexey

On Facebook, Azerbaijanis are outraged that the Russian media is on the side of the Armenians......

Well, the Azerbaijanis, lovers of Russia and gravitating towards the Russian world, are indignant. Others drew conclusions about Russia in the 90s. And these all believe and believe, but Russia breaks them off and breaks them off))))
Honestly, if it weren’t for Russia’s support for Armenia and so many victims in Karabakh and watching Turkish channels, Azerbaijan would have been the most Russified country in the CIS))

[iouris]

Not all Azerbaijanis sit on Facebook and write. Some work. In addition, these may not be Azerbaijanis. The position of Aliyev or those who can multiply him by zero is important.

[His]

Is there a lot of work for Azerbaijanis in Turkey? If only as cannon fodder for the great Ottoman Empire, and nothing more.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Own

Is there a lot of work for Azerbaijanis in Turkey?

Well, a lot of Azerbaijanis work in Turkey. And Azerbaijan’s main investments are there.

[His]

I know many Azerbaijanis in fruit and vegetable production and apartment renovation, and from the best side. Normal people communicate. Their children go to our schools. They are trying to settle here, buying housing. I don’t think that we are enemies with them. There is an impression that our relations with them are better at the everyday level than with Russians from the North Caucasus.

[ultra]

Quote: Own

They are trying to settle here, they are buying housing

Read what was said at the congress of the Azerbaijani diaspora, you will be “pleasantly surprised”!

[Yeraz]

Quote: ultra

Read what was said at the congress of the Azerbaijani diaspora, you will be “pleasantly surprised”!

But personally, at the congress of the 1st Azerbaijani diaspora in St. Petersburg, I witnessed 1 picture. One of the speakers called for slaughtering Armenians and destroying them everywhere, the leaders immediately began to shut him up, got out, which the majority in the hall did not like, since everyone wanted what he said this gentleman, these leaders were called traitors and the Russian six)))

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

.One of the speakers called for slaughtering Armenians and destroying them everywhere, the leaders immediately began to shut him up, went out, which the majority in the hall did not like, because everyone wanted what this gentleman said, these leaders were called traitors and the Russian six)))

Well, this only says one thing: you just need to be driven out of the Russian Federation. I don’t care about the Armenians, but there shouldn’t be massacres in the Russian Federation. In general, I would send both diasporas home only if I heard such conversations, it’s a pity that Putin is kind. This will backfire on us.

[ultra]

Quote: Lexey

On Facebook, Azerbaijanis are outraged that the Russian media is on the side of the Armenians...

The path will be remembered by their Facebook commentators when the Turks shot down our plane. They almost wrote boiling water with joy!

[got137]

Again they grapple. And they will cut themselves enthusiastically and intricately. The mentality, however. One consolation is that the terrain there is not suitable for a big war. So very soon they will get stuck in the chopping of the heights.

[askort154]

Last messages.
Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed concern!
Russian Defense Minister Shoigu held “consultations” with the defense ministers of Armenia and Azerbaijan!
It cannot be ruled out that this was an “amateur activity” of the military who came under the “control” of the Turks.
Logically, this is a “knife in the back” for Aliyev. It is not logical for him to associate with the “outcast” Erdogan.
He is not a sucker for politics. He graduated from MGIMO in the USSR. There they even turned the “thieves” into “thinkers.”

[Red jack]

If I constantly hit you in the back, it means you are weak and stupid.

[Chisayna]

I have a question for Yeraz. Let's say from science fiction. You recaptured Karabakh. AND ? What next? Will the entire Azerbaijani diaspora, from St. Petersburg in particular, go to Karabakh to make it a garden city?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chisain

You have won Karabakh. AND ? What next? Will the entire Azerbaijani diaspora, from St. Petersburg in particular, go to Karabakh to make it a garden city?

Well, Russia regained Crimea and all the Russians ran there to make a garden???
It is clear that government investments will begin there.
You understand, I’ve already said one thing a hundred times, an Azerbaijani is from the Russian Federation, especially with a Russian passport, it’s difficult to open a business there. Only their own people are not allowed there. And the fact that everyone will start buying land there for their old age and flying to rest in the summer is a fact.
Subsidies for refugees will stop. After all, water, electricity and everything else is free or subsidized for them. They will begin to send people there to their homes. And this will definitely affect the number of Azerbaijanis in Russia.
The St. Petersburg diaspora consists of residents of Shamkir, Talysh and Azerbaijanis from Georgia, of whom there are 500 thousand. And they do not belong to Azerbaijan, they are only Azerbaijanis by blood, and so are these residents of Georgia.
And most importantly, not for the first time, but then finally it will be possible to send those huge billions that are pumped into the army and into propaganda that Karabakh is the land of Azerbaijan to Karabakh and these will again be new places and most importantly, finally REFUGEES RETURN TO THEIR HOMES.

[Chisayna]

Well, get rid of your Russian passport. And all roads in Azerbaijan will be open for you. Another thing is that it’s safer for you to be in Russia. And the rest is all words.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chisain

Well, get rid of your Russian passport. And all roads in Azerbaijan will be open for you.

For me personally, a Russian passport is also open. I am a representative of 1 of the 2 ruling clans in Azerbaijan and there are few of us in Russia. This is also one of the reasons why Russian Azerbaijanis cannot get through there, since in Russia they are mainly representatives of the non-ruling class.

Quote: Chisain

Another thing is that it’s safer for you to be in Russia. And the rest is all words.

It’s safer for me there too, I don’t live at the front, I can get myself out of the army while I’m there. But I have dignity.
And so you are right. For now, all these are words. There will be a long war with mobilization, I will send a hashtag with my participation)))

[Yarik]

Yeraz (5) RU Today, 14:17 ↑ New
Quote: Stas157
but Armenia is a centuries-old state whose lands occupied the territory of modern Azerbaijan right up to the Caspian.
And in what period of history was this ?? I’m just curious to know about your data)))

That’s how it is, of course, but...there was, let’s say, the Roman Empire. A centuries-old state (Italy, Spain, Germany and England, partly, the Middle East and Africa). Continue the thought? My sympathies, of course, are with Karabakh.

[Stas157]

Quote: Yarik

That’s how it is, of course, but...there was, let’s say, the Roman Empire. A centuries-old state (Italy, Spain, Germany and England, partly, the Middle East and Africa). Continue the thought?

I absolutely agree with you! Therefore, the statement that Karabakh was once Azerbaijani does not prove anything.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Another war on our borders...

[Yeraz]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Another war on our borders...

Well, that’s what they said all the time, resolve this conflict quickly, because they will set fire, and when your neighbor has a fire, it will definitely spread to your house.
But the Russian is at random in action)))

[Bruss]

There is no need to incite ethnic hatred! This is punishable in the Russian Federation!!!

[alicante11]

Well, that’s what they said all the time, resolve this conflict quickly, because they will set fire, and when your neighbor has a fire, it will definitely spread to your house.

There can only be one solution, to make both sides subjects of the Russian Federation. If you don't do this, you will continue to cut yourself.

[co-creator]

Quote: alicante11

There can only be one solution, to make both sides subjects of the Russian Federation. If you don't do this, you will continue to cut yourself.

God forbid. Now, if both diasporas are sent back. then this will be the case.

[alicante11]

God forbid. Now, if both diasporas are sent back. then this will be the case.

Why don't you give it? Half of them have already moved to Russia. Only those who could find a job there remained, so we are not in danger of a new invasion of guest workers.

[black]

Just imagine, tomorrow there will be no shots fired in Karabakh. As usual. We fought and ate barbecue. And we have so much writing here.

[Yeraz]

Quote: black

Just imagine, tomorrow there will be no shots fired in Karabakh. As usual. We fought and ate barbecue. And we have so much writing here.

Well, it's always like that here.
Right now, in the Azerbaijani segment, the CSTO statement is already being replicated in which Azerbaijan is to blame)))
Right now there will be a speech from Turkey about full support for Azerbaijan and provocations of Armenia.
+ Turkish sentiments in society and minus Russian ones))
But the rest of the CSTO members are silent again))

[alicante11]

But the rest of the CSTO members are silent again))

Well, the forum Kazakhs have already disowned it. However, don’t be too happy, no one helped us with the rodents either, and we’ll deal with you just as quickly. Moreover, probably the majority have been in Russia for a long time and dream about the NKR only on the Internet, like you.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

IMHO, there will be no war with Azerbaijan.
The contingent in Armenia is clearly insufficient, and Iran will not allow our troops to go to war.
And Azerbaijan’s army is much stronger than the Ukrainian or Georgian: T-90, BMP-3, “Smerch”, TOS-1A, Jewish machine guns... Moreover, the equipment supplied by them is better than ours. In short, they armed it to their own advantage...

[Yeraz]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

IMHO, there will be no war with Azerbaijan.
The contingent in Armenia is clearly insufficient,

Well, why is there a contingent in Armenia?? Azerbaijan borders on the Russian Federation.

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

And Azerbaijan’s army is much stronger than the Ukrainian or Georgian: T-90, BMP-3, “Smerch”, TOS-1A, Jewish machine guns... Moreover, the equipment supplied by them is better than ours. In short, they armed it to their own advantage...

Yes, all this will be quickly destroyed by the Russian Federation, the forces are very unequal. Guerrilla warfare is another matter, which will lead to the Islamization of the country. And the Arabs will quickly light this fire here.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Quote: Yeraz

Azerbaijan borders the Russian Federation.

From the side of the border, the Azerbaijanis will be waiting for a blow: minefields, warehouses filled with ATGMs, air defense systems...

[igorv501]

Azerbaijan recently bought new military toys from Russia, apparently they are being tested in combat conditions.

[SHAMAN]

Aliyev swore that NK would recapture...)))) And he bought weapons worth 4 billion..)))
you are Aliyev.. and a pissant! If you go to Armenia... Baku will be captured..! I answer....Sing the songs for now)))))

[black]

As a young man, I am nostalgic for those times when veterans, with calluses from their caps, gathered at VO and did not write nonsense.

[Yegorchik]

Quote: black

As a young man, I am nostalgic for those times when veterans, with calluses from their caps, gathered at VO and did not write nonsense.

So this is MIKHAN, it seems that he is far from new to VO, but from normal comments he has finally slipped into inadequate urapatriotism.

[SHAMAN]

Quote: Egorchik

Quote: black

As a young man, I am nostalgic for those times when veterans, with calluses from their caps, gathered at VO and did not write nonsense.

So this is MIKHAN, it seems that he is far from new to VO, but from normal comments he has finally slipped into inadequate urapatriotism.

I'm getting nervous...reading the site! I don’t like to write boring comments (which no one reads)...Armenians forward to Baku..! Russia will support! But the Armenians can take Baku...in the 90s Russia held them back...NK remained behind them!Armenians drive tanks well and shoot accurately..!

[eskanderRUS]

There are Russian armed forces in Armenia and this is a very strong factor. If the eggplants continue to play and show off to the Turkish tune, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation will not hesitate, to get the mustachioed eggplant in the face in full, the Russian Federation has enough means of influence and experience. Moreover, the Caspian naval flotilla with Calibers is based near Eggplant and enters the operational space. Then it will definitely happen, goodbye!!!

[SHAMAN]

Now they will all be torn apart... ))))

[rubidium]

Quote: Mitek

This is a possible explanation for the withdrawal of aircraft from Syria.

don't make things up. A certain number of planes and helicopters have been withdrawn from Syria. But not all. In addition, they brought a lot of other things in return. For example, Iskander-M, attack helicopters MI-28N and KA-52. The loud statement about the withdrawal is just a political move aimed at both the internal “market” and the external one. How the completely logical withdrawal of a couple of dozen aircraft from Syria can be associated with an attack on Ukraine, only Svidomo Ukrainian knows...

Regarding Azerbaijan: there is no need to explain where the ears grow from. But you also don’t need to stupidly imagine the chain of master-housekeeper-servant. Incitement is just that: incitement. As a result, Aliyev will be thrown out... if he doesn’t quickly understand what he signed up for. And only then will Azerbaijan truly become a slave of the United States.

[Otshelnik]

Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan: "Azerbaijani villages have been liberated!"
http://haqqin.az/news/67170

[Olezhek]

In battles with the enemy, 12 servicemen of the Azerbaijani army became martyrs.

Is this a 1st world army? Or the 3rd?

The Arab-Israeli wars came to mind...

[Otshelnik]

12 Azerbaijani servicemen became martyrs, our helicopter was shot down.

The Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense has disseminated official information about the situation at the front.

As the Ministry of Defense reported to Oxu.Az, the Azerbaijani Army, with a lightning-fast counter-offensive, failed the enemy’s first line of defense, completely liberating several strategic heights and populated areas.

The heights around the village of Talysh, as well as the village of Seisulan, have been liberated.

To protect the city of Goradiz from the enemy threat, units of the Azerbaijani army captured the height of “Lalatyapya”.

Currently, the soldiers of our army are strengthening themselves in the liberated territories.

“In the battles, the Armenian side lost 6 tanks, about 15 artillery installations, the enemy’s fortified engineering structures were destroyed, and more than a hundred enemy troops were killed.

In battles, 12 servicemen of our army became martyrs. Also, a Mi-24 helicopter, involved in the operation to carry out air strikes on enemy positions, was shot down. One tank was disabled as a result of a mine explosion.

The leadership of the Ministry of Defense expresses its condolences to the families and friends of the fallen servicemen.”

In addition, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense warned Armenia that in the event of a repeated violation of the ceasefire, the strikes on the enemy would be more severe and crushing.

www.oxu.az

[Lekxnumx]

http://haqqin.az/news/67155 Как сообщает армянское издание EAdaily, азербайджанские подразделения отбили у противника 5 позиций на равнинной местности в Мардакертском районе. В настоящее время азербайджанская армия продолжает удерживать 3 позиции. Имеется множество погибших с обеих сторон.

[SHAMAN]

Quote: Lek3338

http://haqqin.az/news/67155 Как сообщает армянское издание EAdaily, азербайджанские подразделения отбили у противника 5 позиций на равнинной местности в Мардакертском районе. В настоящее время азербайджанская армия продолжает удерживать 3 позиции. Имеется множество погибших с обеих сторон.

We will tear everyone apart for Armenia! Erdogan the bastard is angering Russia again...We’ll crush Baku with tanks...!

[Otshelnik]

Quote: garnik64

The Armenian Ganzak (Ganja, Kirovabad) should be freed. Then the oil and gas pipelines will be under the control of Armenia, and therefore Russia. The borders will be common with Russia. They need a corridor through Fizuli, Jabrail and Kafan, connecting the territories of Azerbaijan and Nakhichevan, they will fulfill the dream of the Turks. .... from Constantinople to Astana. This is a minimum program for the Turks. For this purpose they have been going on since the beginning of the 20th century.

We will soon liberate Irevan...and in one day we liberated a couple of villages and several strategic heights...and that’s not bad...
PS if you want Ganja, don’t sit at home, let’s go to the front... we’re waiting, but maybe you think this time the Russians will also fight for you, as before?

[Chisayna]

Yeraz, he disappeared somewhere. He probably ran to buy a plane ticket to Baku.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chisain

Yeraz, he disappeared somewhere. He probably ran to buy a plane ticket to Baku.

It’s too early. No one will allow volunteers there. Only during mobilization. And why are you pestering me?? I understand that many here have a mantra, they are hucksters, they don’t have the spirit of war, well, that’s what the drunks who are commanded by women think there too. But this is childhood and not serious.

[cedar]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Mitek
Exactly. Donbass followed. Here is a possible explanation for the withdrawal of aircraft from Syria.
Is Russia going to fight with Ukraine?

Not “With” but “FOR” Ukraine, С its occupiers! Do you catch the difference?

[okroshka79]

Somewhere in 1996 I met an old Armenian friend of mine. whom I haven't seen for a long time. I ask, where have you been? It turns out that he fought in Karabakh and was the commander of a motorized rifle battalion. I ask, how is it that you, such a small country, have completely attacked your big neighbor? The answer amazed me. Everything turns out to be simple: Armenians served in the Soviet Army, and Azerbaijanis served in the construction battalion. I began to remember how many Azerbaijanis I came across in the military service, but I couldn’t remember anyone. But I remembered a lot of Armenians. And according to statistics, for every Azerbaijani Hero of the Soviet Union there are four Armenian Heroes of the Soviet Union. I think if no one comes forward with help on the side of Azerbaijan, the Armenians will beat them again. In general, all this is very, very bad. I am sure that the black Fuhrer could not have happened here either.

[Yeraz]

Quote: okroshka79

Everything turns out to be simple: Armenians served in the Soviet Army, and Azerbaijanis served in the construction battalion.

Yes, but not because the Azerbaijanis were bad warriors. This was such a Soviet practice. In case you didn’t notice, most of the Muslims were in the construction battalion. And in Tsarist Russia, Muslims were not called up at all.
My brother, a European and world boxing champion, served in a construction battalion.
My uncle graduated with honors from Moscow State University as a professor in the construction battalion.
Uncle is a construction battalion doctor.
And so the majority. And everyone was physically strong due to living in the mountains.

Quote: okroshka79

I think if no one comes forward with help on the side of Azerbaijan, the Armenians will beat them again.

This will not happen. In the 90s there were many experienced Armenian officers, but there were few Azerbaijanis, and this meager amount was thanks to Heydar Aliyev, who sought to send more Azerbaijanis to the war in Afghanistan. That’s all. But in 20 years, through the Academies of Turkey and the Russian Federation Many officers passed through. Plus those who gained experience in the first war. And there will no longer be a shortage of personnel.

Quote: okroshka79

I am sure that the black Fuhrer could not have happened here either.

Well, this is understandable. But why does the Russian Federation every time fall for a staged performance by the Americans, that’s the question.

[SHAMAN]

Armenian military registration and enlistment offices are calling apartments where reserve military personnel live and asking them to appear. “For those whose sons who served in the army receive calls from the military registration and enlistment offices and ask them to appear, doctors are also called,” a resident of Yerevan told a Gazeta.Ru correspondent.
Earlier it was reported that Azerbaijani forces attacked the positions of the Nagorno-Karabakh army

Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1459596511

Aliyev, you ran into trouble together with Erdogan....Russian markets, the cleansing will begin soon!

[Artura0777]

So the General Staff of Azerbaijan admitted the loss of the Mi-24 helicopter, and some on this site shouted at the top of their lungs that only in video games can Armenians shoot down a helicopter, tomorrow they will admit about a second helicopter. Aliyev is preparing to eat his tie)!

[mitya1941]

Tass reports According to the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, 12 servicemen of the Azerbaijani army were killed in the clashes. During airstrikes on Armenian positions, a Mi-24 helicopter of the Azerbaijani Air Force was shot down. In addition, one tank belonging to the Azerbaijani Armed Forces was blown up by a mine.

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3171918

[stapler 2]

Quote: oleg-gr

The spring exacerbation has begun

all this is a consequence of our search for “consensus” and “expressions of deep concerns”, and those who are looking for consensus are mostly beaten, although not openly, but planted... Stalls across Moscow have collapsed - the war in Karabakh has begun

[Wolka]

Here the enemy tribe is again trying to blow up the Caucasus (now Transcaucasia) and drag Russia into another conflict. Ukrainians also became more active as if on command...

[kotdavin4i]

http://istiglal.com/2016/04/02/%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%
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[Yugra]

Armenians are excellent warriors. They always hit the Azerbaijanis in the head. The CSTO has not yet said its word. But if they say, everyone will forget where Baku was...

[kotdavin4i]

Baku - the proper name is written with a capital letter, the CSTO will not say anything - the “Nagorno-Karabakh Republic” is not recognized by Armenia itself - not like Russia and the CSTO - for whom to “speak the word”?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Ugra

Armenians are excellent warriors. They always hit the Azerbaijanis in the head.

Ahh, that’s why for the last thousand years in this region there were only Turkic states))) Probably they were Armenian states))

[Imperial]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: Ugra

Armenians are excellent warriors. They always hit the Azerbaijanis in the head.

Ahh, that’s why for the last thousand years in this region there were only Turkic states))) Probably they were Armenian states))

Yes... noble warriors are now in Azerbaijan, who are they taking lessons from? the ISIS?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Imperial

Yes... noble warriors are now in Azerbaijan, who are they taking lessons from? the ISIS?

No. We learned from the Armenians.

The Azerbaijanis remember this Khojaly and Khojaly very well and will not spare anyone.
The new generation, well, except for those who live in the Russian Federation and somehow have contact with the Armenians, have no living experience. They only have knowledge of these atrocities of the Armenians and the younger generation will destroy the Armenians and there will be no mercy. And the Armenians know that the Azerbaijanis remember very well Khojaly will not miss the opportunity for revenge.

[Imperial]

Yeraz

There is only knowledge These are the atrocities of the Armenians and the younger generation will destroy the Armenians and there will be no mercy.

The generation of my grandfathers also had knowledge... but! They did not build gas chambers.

[Cat man null]

Quote: andj61

That is, there are two options:
1. The memorandum is in itself - but then this is a protocol of intent and it is not necessary to legally implement it.
2. Memorandum is an annex to the contract. But since it has not been ratified by the parties, it has not entered into force and it is not necessary to fulfill it either.

Exactly

Also - together.. I'm a book reader..

[Otshelnik]

Quote: gergi

Armenians are quite capable of throwing Azerbones on their own. There, motivated people, they were cut more than once without exception, these are not market traders. Tofiki with Mamedov do not want to fight, they want to trade.

Blitzkrieg of the Azerbaijani army: one push to Sarsang
http://haqqin.az/news/67175
we will trade...trophies-)) don’t sit at home, let’s go to the front, our people there will hand out gingerbread to yours))

[Bakht]

If the reports of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry are true, then in a day or two the fighting will stop. The shelling will continue.

This is what has always been said. War is inevitable if the occupation forces of Armenia are located on the territory of Azerbaijan. It’s unclear to me who is complaining about whom on Facebook. Kerry, Steinmeier, Lavrov and Mogherrini are talking about a ceasefire. That is, almost everything.

I. Aliyev is already tired of explaining to everyone “the presence of Armenian soldiers on Azerbaijani soil is war.” And no Erdogan, Obama or Putin can change this fact. So don't look for anyone's ears. All ears stick out from Yerevan.

[eskanderRUS]

Aliyev imagined himself to be a universal Caliph like Erdogan. The last one completely lost his mind because of the glasses of oil. I wanted the Boklazhaniya project to be closed, apparently the time has come. Let the Armenian brothers hit the Azerbaijanis to the fullest. God help!!!

[Warrior2015]

I still think that this could not have happened without Turkey. Most likely, Erodgan provoked Azerbaijan by promising support, and maybe even delivering weapons.

[dvg1959]

America persistently continues to pursue its policy of escalating armed conflicts in states bordering the Russian Federation.
Destabilizing the situation around the Russian borders and involving Russia in military conflicts is their priority.
In this case, it could not have happened without the participation of Turkey. They always followed their own selfish interests in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
In general, the situation is heating up.
And we must not forget about Transnistria and other unrecognized republics.

[Olezhek]

Strange. So much ado about nothing, but the site seems to be geared towards a military theme...
Has the Azerbaijani army achieved anything?
Occupied some territories, defeated the Armenians, took hundreds of prisoners?
What has the Azerbaijani army achieved in all these years?
There it is necessary to advance in mountainous terrain against a well-entrenched enemy.
Who was actually good at this?
Oh, the cannons are firing! Oh, the helicopter was shot down!
We need to discuss something specific. Shooting cannons at the enemy cannot be a goal, only a means.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Olezhek

So much ado about nothing, but the site seems to be geared towards a military theme...

Are you kidding me?? Nothing in a military vein has been discussed here for a long time. This site has become a jingoistic site with a diplomatic slant. Many specialists have fled from here. Instead of discussing occupied areas, the tactics of capturing and protecting the Armenians of these points, the use of equipment, here fucking Americans, Turks, Azerbots, traders, we'll tear you up, etc.)))

Quote: Olezhek

Has the Azerbaijani army achieved anything?

2 villages were liberated, one of which is the largest in the occupied area, and 5 heights around this village were occupied. The front line in this area was broken.
Since 94 there has not been a battle of such scale, much less so much land liberated.

[Olezhek]

1 But the “militaristic” articles here are through the roof.
About torpedoes and missiles... and about the entire submarine fleet.
The articles are interesting and different and all sorts...

2

and 5 heights around this village were occupied

Congratulations...are the Armenians running in panic???

3 Has the front line been broken?
Do the Armenians have one line of defense there?
Let's see what this will give and how (if any) the offensive will develop.
It’s too early to “wash” anything.

[Olezhek]

2 villages were liberated, one of which

The main thing is the defeat of the enemy army... killed, captured, fled to the rear...
And as far as I understand, this has not yet been observed....

[Yeraz]

Quote: Olezhek

The main thing is the defeat of the enemy army... killed, captured, fled to the rear...
And as far as I understand, this has not yet been observed...

So I’m not throwing around bravado here. This is 1 episode in one area with a limited contingent.
The unique thing is that this is the largest incident since the conflict.
To defeat the enemy you need more manpower and equipment.

[Bakht]

Quote: Olezhek

2 villages were liberated, one of which

The main thing is the defeat of the enemy army... killed, captured, fled to the rear...
And as far as I understand, this has not yet been observed....

U
The main thing is not to defeat the enemy. Many people still do not understand the situation.....

[co-creator]

Quote: Yeraz

Nothing in a military vein has been discussed here for a long time. This site has become a jingoistic site with a diplomatic slant. Many specialists have fled from here

What website are they discussing it on? I'm not being sarcastic.

Quote: Yeraz

2 villages were liberated, one of which is the largest in the occupied area, and 5 heights around this village were occupied. The front line in this area was broken.
Since 94 there has not been a battle of such scale, much less the liberation of so much land

We lost a helicopter, it is likely that another one was also lost. This is very serious especially for your army. You won't free much at this rate.

[kolexxx]

Video: The situation in Stepanakert after the escalation of the conflict http://24ri.ru/down/open/v-zone-karabahskogo-konflikta-nachalis-krupnomasshtabny
e-voennye-dejstvija.html

[Romanenko]

One can clearly read the simple, as usual lately, work from overseas. Azerbaijan has always been and is a pro-Turkish oriented state, it is not for nothing that Elham Aliyev and Erdogan have such warm negotiations and relations. It’s not even a matter of whether Aliyev was lured away or not, the Azerbaijanis have family relations with the Turks and there’s no getting away from that, it’s like Russia and Ukraine before the famous events. So we figured out how to get close, it doesn’t work in Ukraine, in Syria it’s just a mess, the crazy Balts again can’t cope with their homework, the Poles..... well, these are just experts at fighting with the dead. And Armenia is a member of the CSTO, the frozen conflict can be unfrozen, especially since you don’t mind the pieces of paper with the faces of the presidents, the dad in the white barracks will print as many of them as he wants. And just in case, the Kyrgyz and Tajiks are warmed up... So, guys, it’s still too early to rest. Even though he’s a fool again, the mattress makers can’t calm down and don’t want to. So there is clearly an intention here to make the Russian Federation a kind of Eurasian firefighter, putting out bulls here and there. I think we too will come up with something like a global fire extinguishing system, but it won’t seem like enough...

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Pilat2009

In the event of Armenia’s victory, Azerbaijan will have little left, and I think that the Armenians are well aware that they will still take the territory, Turkey will join the war. Azerbaijan has nowhere to retreat, but it has long been preparing for the war, it’s necessary to return the territory

Yes, it is necessary to return, but Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia and Belarus with the jumping Ukraine to the new Russian Empire! But not all at once, but after the local “elites” realized that peaceful coexistence apart was impossible. This takes a lot of time, but sworn “friends”, as always, are in a hurry with their “help”! No matter how they have to cry over the lost illusions about their hegemonism-anonism!

[Denis56rus]

Quote: Nekarmadlen

Rich is not the one who has a lot of money, but the one who knows how to manage it correctly)))))

golden words and put them in Putin’s ears

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Yeraz

The fact that it was kept silent and withheld did not mean that it did not exist.

Yes, it was not kept silent, but not cultivated by the current leadership of Azerbaijan, which is trying to play on the base nationalism of its citizens, like their best friend Perdogan the Turkish! Apparently, the Ukrainian lesson is of no use to them - everyone is striving from the 21st century to jump into the tribal system of the Middle Ages, instead of not arguing over small pieces of territory, but developing cooperation that is beneficial to all parties. But the personal ambitions of the rulers of Azerbaijan are above the interests of their own people! Alas, the current young population of Azerbaijan is practically a socially illiterate population with brains damaged by nationalism - an infection cultivated by the SGA for its domination over these countries! So no matter how this conflict ends (even with the victory of Azerbaijan, even with the victory of Armenia), the people of these countries will be the losers!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Vlad5307

which is trying to play on the base nationalism of its citizens,

Is this Aliyev playing?))))don’t tell the slippers of Azerbaijani nationalists))))) Simply having 1 million refugees, tens of thousands of dead whose relatives have 50-100 dead every year, even Aliyev finds it difficult to remain silent. He would completely forget about this problem ))

[Olezhek]

And characteristically, I will play the role of Cassandra: the army of Azerbaijan is not the Prussian or Japanese imperial army. There is no super-discipline or super-training there.

And as experience shows, advancing in the mountains is extremely difficult, although of course it is possible (Hannibal and Suvorov, I think, will agree with me)

They will butt heads at the line of contact, they will butt heads...

And if you resolutely attack, cutting off Nagorno-Karabakh and occupying relatively flat areas, then all this means thousands of dead and wounded... without a guarantee of result and with a guarantee of flank counterattacks.

So there will be no “kina”.

[tigran2]

Turkey, and maybe even NATO, want to distract Russia from the Syrian conflict and save some forces there. Without Turkey, Azerbaijan would never have decided to carry out a provocation of such a scale. By the way, thank you for the equipment purchased from Russia, which numbering 5 tanks is now in the cauldron, and will be a good gift for the Artsakh army.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Tigran2

which numbering 5 tanks is now in the cauldron, and will be a good gift for the Artsakh army.

Let's not make any assertions here. For now, I only trust information that is officially confirmed by both countries.
Sargsyan said 18 killed, and Azerbaijan 12 of their own - this is the data for me. And until I SEE it, I won’t believe the statements of the parties about hundreds of killed, about dozens of tanks.

[xent]

Dear people, especially Azerbaijanis, don’t make people laugh here. You didn’t take Seisulan and Talishch, and there’s no need for supermen here, we’ll take Yerivan... simply and clearly in the picture, see what’s going on in the Azeri media... I have nothing more to say.

[Otshelnik]

Quote: sgazeev

Quote: SRC P-15

Or maybe Turkey stirs up water? Isn’t she doing the job of provocation on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan? Turkey realizes its threat?

More likely than not. The Armenians will blow the Isaacs anyway.

I hasten to disappoint you, we have screwed up your outpost...to be continued...

[Redfox3k]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Quote: Kibalchish

in Syria and Armenia we turn off all matters, let each other shoot at least until blue in the face, and focus on Ukraine.

The NATO general would applaud while standing.

The applause smoothly turns into a standing ovation with shouts of “bravo!”

[iouris]

I will express my personal, not very politically correct, opinion. National enmity and wars in this fertile land will end only when the independence of Azerbaijan and Armenia is ended and both peoples become part of the empire. I don’t want to consider such an alternative as the complete destruction of one side or both at once. I don’t think that the formation of “Great Turan” from Hungary to Yakutia is a good idea.

[Bakht]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: andj61

Yes, Armenia has never occupied the territory to the Caspian!

It is useless))) Now they will prove that the village of MyardakYAN near Baku is an ancient Armenian village))) Like ShuvalyAN)))

Everything is much cooler. Darwin also proved that the first man descended from monkeys.

[Leprekon]

Only, information has just leaked that the supply of vegetables and fruits from Turkey will be replaced by Azerbaijan... and on you! Why did it happen? And most importantly, in a timely and precise manner - to the most vulnerable place of the Russia-Armenia-Azerbaijan triangle.

[cyber]

Russia should not interfere with the NKAO - this is a disputed territory between Azerbaijan and Armenia, and military operations on the territory of the NKAO are not covered by the CSTO agreement. Both sides want to possess NKAO - let them prove it with their military power since they do not want to negotiate. This is their choice! Apparently they forgot in Armenia and Azerbaijan what war is and decided to remind themselves! Their right - Russia has nothing to do with it.

Although, judging by the news, both sides now seem to be hoping that they will be “pressured” by influential states such as Russia or the United States to stop hostilities. Then, of course, both sides will say that they would have torn their opponents “like a hot water bottle” if they had not been stopped!
Therefore, Armenia and Azerbaijan must understand for themselves that the war is futile for both sides. And set the price for such understanding for yourself yourself.