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Lynxes and Kites instead of Tigers?

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In reconnaissance companies of reconnaissance battalions of motorized rifle and tank brigades and divisions armored vehicles "Tiger" will be replaced by combat reconnaissance vehicles BRM-3K "Lynx" and BRM-1K "Korshun". According to a representative of the RF Ministry of Defense, which is quoted in the Izvestia newspaper, the replacement is due to the fact that the Lynx and Korshun BRMs have more effective protection and weapons. In addition, it is reported that "Lynx" and "Kites", unlike "Tigers" have laser rangefinders and thermal imagers.


From the statement of the interlocutor of the newspaper "News":
The decision to replace the Tigers with military vehicles was made at the end of last year. Armored vehicles will not be replaced everywhere, but only in reconnaissance companies of reconnaissance battalions of motorized rifle and tank brigades and divisions. In the companies of deep intelligence, the Tigers will remain. The experience of recent large-scale exercises in the south of Russia showed that armored cars in the modern battlefield, where artillery is used, aviation, tanks and precision weapons are too vulnerable.


Lynxes and Kites instead of Tigers?


Replacing the “Tigers” by far from the new “Lynx” and “Kites” is connected with the fact that these armored vehicles went through a serious modernization. In particular, they received equipment in the form of cameras and new communication and detection systems.

For reference: BRM-3K saves components and assemblies from the BMP-3. Combat weight - 19,6 T. Track crawler track - 2760 mm. Ground clearance - 450 mm. Maximum speed (highway) - 70 km / h. The range of the fuel reserve - 600 km. It is equipped with a pulse radar that can detect a person at a distance of 5 km, a car or armored vehicles - up to 12 km. In two armored vehicles installed thermal imaging device intelligence 1PN71 and active-pulse night vision device 1PN61.
Photos used:
http://topwar.ru/54944-boevaya-razvedyvatelnaya-mashina-brm-3k-rys.html
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  1. Lukich
    Lukich April 1 2016 19: 00
    +28
    Replacing the "Tigers" with far from new "Lynxes" and "Kites" is connected precisely with the fact that these armored vehicles went through a serious modernization.

    to paraphrase, everything is new, it is a well modernized old smile
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 April 1 2016 19: 33
      +37
      Tigers will still remain in their niche.
      In the Crimea and Sevastopol, on asphalt, rapidly. Just handsome.
      God forbid, but still come in handy for high-speed entry.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 1 2016 20: 52
        +14
        Quote: Michael67
        Tigers will still remain in their niche.

        Yes.
        Each cricket must know its hearth.
        BMP-based armored personnel carriers are of course preferable when conducting reconnaissance during hostilities, for example, in a reconnaissance reconnaissance patrol (combat reconnaissance patrol), when strong enemy fire is possible.
        For stealth and fast movement, wheeled vehicles are better.
        The main thing is that l / s is well versed in all the capabilities of technology.
        At one time in the reconnaissance battalion where I had to serve, when using the BRM-1, and this BRM was well "stuffed" with various reconnaissance equipment, there were problems.
        1. Parkan
          Parkan April 1 2016 22: 22
          -2
          for exploration it’s time to use platforms already on electric traction
          1. SU69
            SU69 April 1 2016 23: 45
            +5
            Quote: Parkan
            for exploration it’s time to use platforms already on electric traction

            Better pepelats. laughing
        2. field engineer
          field engineer April 1 2016 23: 39
          0
          Nothing stands still.
      2. kamski
        kamski April 1 2016 21: 47
        +1
        No Tigers can replace an armored personnel carrier of an infantry fighting vehicle, even with aswalt, even where. By the way, the BMP and BMD have a very smooth ride and control is even better than the Tiger
        1. field engineer
          field engineer April 1 2016 23: 43
          0
          It all depends on the driver, especially she BMP.
    2. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce April 1 2016 20: 16
      +15
      In reconnaissance reconnaissance battalions of motorized rifle and tank brigades and divisions, Tiger armored vehicles will be replaced with combat reconnaissance vehicles BRM-3K Rys and BRM-1K Korshun.
      It's funny ... In the nearby motorized rifle brigade "Tigers" have never been seen, but they are already being replaced by "Lynx".
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 1 2016 21: 11
        +10
        I almost sounded the alarm by the name: I thought it was being pushed by Italians instead of our cars. But it turned out that just good wheeled vehicles are replaced with even better tracked ones. Nevertheless, firepower is seriously higher - the autocannon is not a machine gun. Yes, and patency is better.
    3. Maksus
      Maksus April 1 2016 21: 20
      +5
      The "reconnaissance battalions" sounds rather strange, that there are any other companies there? Platoons only.
      And what if the team only matalygi? This is hemorrhoids again with the supply.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 1 2016 21: 37
        +6
        Quote: Maksus
        The "reconnaissance battalions" sounds rather strange, that there are any other companies there?

        Aha 8))) There are still companies of intelligence and electronic intelligence in reconnaissance battalions.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus April 1 2016 21: 47
          +2
          And, I realized, it was precisely the scouts who were combatant. The question is removed.
      2. krot_tank
        krot_tank April 1 2016 21: 38
        +4
        Intelligence includes:
        - company "R";
        - company electronic warfare;
        And it weighs separately a restless company of UAVs. Although 100% works on the NDS connection. Most likely org. nominally include in R baht
      3. moskowit
        moskowit April 1 2016 22: 01
        +4
        Previously, there was a reconnaissance company in the motorized rifle regiment, in which there were platoons on the PT-76 and a motorcycle, which corresponded to the assigned reconnaissance tasks. There was a mess in the division, with a more complex structure corresponding to more complex tasks ...
    4. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot April 1 2016 21: 38
      +4
      "The experience of recent large-scale exercises in southern Russia has shown that armored vehicles on a modern battlefield, where artillery, aircraft, tanks and precision weapons are used, are too vulnerable."

      And before the teachings, it was not clear wink
      1. lelikas
        lelikas April 1 2016 22: 15
        +4
        Quote: The Cat
        And before the teachings, it was not clear

        It is more interesting that for such exercises, where the Tigers mocked from tanks, aircraft and precision weapons. Although the last three, BMPshnaya armor will not save. so only a more powerful weapon.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 1 2016 22: 43
          +4
          Yes, they did not "snipe at the tigers," but it just turned out that there was actually nothing to conduct reconnaissance with.
    5. kamski
      kamski April 1 2016 21: 44
      +5
      Tigers Lynx for combat parts nonsense. As a command vehicle to replace the UAZ, yes. But NEVER TIGER will replace BMP. BMD. BTR BMR is a fact the legacy of Taburetchkin and whores must be removed from the sun
      1. Parkan
        Parkan April 1 2016 22: 26
        0
        they indicated the meaning of the replacement in that after Rysys and Korshuns, laser sights, radars, and other equipment were upgraded, well, firepower, well, patency would also go to + from the replacement, and armor, so it was fine for soap
      2. max702
        max702 April 2 2016 00: 00
        +5
        Quote: kamski
        As a command vehicle to replace UAZ yes

        And why is this necessary? pepelats for 5 million with expensive operating costs .. Give the commanders not the UAZ 469, but the same UAZ Patriot with air conditioning, they will be happy! It is necessary to face the truth in peacetime, the Patriot is preferable from all sides, it is both the price and comfort and ease of maintenance, and with the BD it is an armored personnel carrier, an infantry fighting vehicle or a Motolyga ... Even in the US Army, most of all the military loved the army version of the Ford Bronco for comfort problem-free .. And the Tiger is no longer an UAZ but also not an armored personnel carrier at all .. Not a fish, not meat .. Pay attention in the armies of the whole world, having played enough with "Hammero" similar crafts, they switch either to lighter or heavier vehicles ..
      3. The stranger
        The stranger April 2 2016 02: 42
        +1
        And he does not replace the UAZ. Weighs and cost how many UAZs, and what gives more? Even the permeability is not significantly higher. Even when they came up with it, it was clear that a deaf clone of evolution. In the profile conferences, then everything was ground up, and so it happened. It is no longer a UAZ, and there will never be a BRDM. Ponty "like a Humvee", that's all. At what they imposed, when the Americans began to move away from these show-offs, disappointed.
        Would have made then a normal UAZ, maybe 3172, but at least "Jaguar". But no - it was a pity for the money for that plant - they made another one rich. Pontovo same. And the armies were vparili Patriots, with what in Latin :) Which are also not very UAZs, very much.
  2. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 1 2016 19: 01
    +18
    Everything is logical: the unification of the chassis of heavy equipment.
    Besides, motorized riflemen and tankers are really better off having "heavy" BRMs. And the "tigers" will remain in the "light" units and separate parts of the intelligence / special forces.
    1. ruAlex
      ruAlex April 1 2016 20: 10
      +1
      I hope everyone thought it out smile
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 1 2016 21: 39
      +4
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Everything is logical: the unification of the chassis of heavy equipment.
      Besides, motorized riflemen and tankers are really better off having "heavy" BRMs. And the "tigers" will remain in the "light" units and separate parts of the intelligence / special forces.

      It's not that.
      By their intelligence. capabilities, even the old BRM-1K are far ahead of the "Tigers"
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 1 2016 22: 11
        +8
        For the minus one:
        The BRM-1K in its old, non-modernized version is a night light, a day sight, a range finder, a PSNR-5 radar, a direction-finding receiver for detecting enemy radar, VHF and HF communications, topographic and navigation equipment, including gyrocompass ...

        And the "Tiger"? Only the eyes of the machine gunner sticking out of the hatch?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 4 2016 09: 59
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          For the minus one:
          The BRM-1K in its old, non-modernized version is a night light, a day sight, a range finder, a PSNR-5 radar, a direction-finding receiver for detecting enemy radar, VHF and HF communications, topographic and navigation equipment, including gyrocompass ...

          And the "Tiger"? Only the eyes of the machine gunner sticking out of the hatch?

          The question, of course, is interesting... (with)
          The fact is that the equipment of the "Tigers" of reconnaissance units depends on whether the Ministry of Defense purchased the reconnaissance version of this BA or simply shoved the basic version of the vehicle into the reconnaissance battalion without any body kit. In the latter case, yes, the main and only means of reconnaissance is a pair eyeballs mk1.
          But the configuration of the "reconnaissance game" is not inferior, or even surpasses the BRM: radar, thermal imager, video cameras (mounted on a retractable mast) + UAV, satellite communications.
          But it seems to me that the Ministry of Defense went along the path of saving - and found itself in the same position of a stingy, paying twice: first for the "tigers", and then - for the modernization of old BRMs and the purchase of new ones.
  3. Anisim
    Anisim April 1 2016 19: 01
    +32
    The tigers in the Crimea have done their job with their appearance ... It is necessary to find a "golden mean" Enough already on the UAZ and the grooves to go on assignments ...!
    1. wolfhound
      wolfhound April 1 2016 20: 10
      +20
      About UAZ you in vain so. there are places in our vast Motherland where the tiger will not pass, and the UAZ will slip through, the mass of overall characteristics, and the commander’s ass is cheaper to ride on UAZ, fuel consumption and engine resource consumption are different, UAZ and Tiger
      1. Anisim
        Anisim April 1 2016 20: 46
        +2
        Quote: Wolfhound
        About UAZ you in vain so. there are places in our vast Motherland where the tiger will not pass, and the UAZ will slip through, the mass of overall characteristics, and the commander’s ass is cheaper to ride on UAZ, fuel consumption and engine resource consumption are different, UAZ and Tiger

        I dream about UAZ ... A reliable car and unpretentious! The main thing is to treat it gently, then it won’t let you down! I went for thanks ...
  4. dr.star75
    dr.star75 April 1 2016 19: 03
    +13
    The laws of evolution are inexorable. both in wildlife and in technology. It is gratifying that the MO responds to this online.
  5. VP
    VP April 1 2016 19: 10
    +10
    Only "Saxons", only hard))
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 April 1 2016 19: 15
      +8
      Quote: VP
      Only "Saxons", only hard))

      Leave this second hand for dill.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 1 2016 19: 12
    +12
    Reconnaissance is always ahead. Where it is difficult it will go around. "Lynx" has good maneuverability and the ability to overcome water obstacles afloat. And "Tiger" can do that? The front edge should be saturated with remote reconnaissance and detection systems as much as possible. And for reconnaissance raids and operations I really prefer the tracked vehicle.
    1. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 April 1 2016 20: 15
      -9
      Lynx, as far as I remember, is done on the basis of iveco, the engine is weak, in the program "the polygon everything is told about it"
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 1 2016 20: 28
        0
        Quote: RUSSIAN39
        the engine is weak
        And if it is pushed to the front line to open the situation, and even with the dynamic course of the battle, then the protection is worse and the ability to fight back or play the role of linear infantry if the current situation is in question.
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok April 4 2016 17: 17
        0
        a diesel engine of 500 horses is not enough for you and caterpillars? "Lynx" is an art reconnaissance vehicle based on the BMP-3.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 20: 59
      +3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      .A for reconnaissance raids and operations, I really give preference to the tracked vehicle.

      painfully caterpillar rumbles, and intelligence loves silence! wink
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 1 2016 19: 15
    +4
    Technology updates are always pleasing. Like installing an updated sighting system on the SU24. A completely different effect.
  8. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 1 2016 19: 16
    +27
    There is no point in reconnaissance armored vehicles if they are at least inferior in terms of maneuverability to vehicles of which the unit is equipped.
    Everything should be smart.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 1 2016 19: 44
      +11
      Quote: Gray Brother
      There is no point in reconnaissance armored vehicles if they are at least inferior in terms of maneuverability to vehicles of which the unit is equipped.
      Even the Chinese have complete "feng shui" in this regard.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 1 2016 20: 01
        +8
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Even the Chinese have complete "feng shui" in this regard.

        Wheel equipment is also needed, troops do it anyway, they mostly move on roads, it’s more rational to drive armored cars in this situation - it’s faster and has more motor resources, but it’s not suitable for the battlefield.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt April 1 2016 20: 16
          +7
          Of course, both heavy all-terrain vehicles and even light buggies with ATVs are welcome. There should not be any distortions of one to the detriment of the other. To perform the entire spectrum of tasks, the intelligence chief should have a whole set of tools and special equipment at hand.
        2. Parkan
          Parkan April 1 2016 22: 30
          0
          and it is desirable to make this armored car hybrid, so that in silence on electric traction in the rear of the enemy crawl
  9. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 April 1 2016 19: 19
    0
    Friends, apologize. Off-topic. Americans dumped information, someone may be in the know?
    According to the American press, the Yars missile system is being deployed in Syria. As evidence, Jane's Strategic Forces magazine, which hosts the article, cites a satellite image taken as recently as March 30, 2016.

    It is alleged that the picture shows the 15U175M launcher, which was made in Russia. These installations are part of the Yars soil complex (RS-24). Geographically, the installation is located in the zone of the Russian Hmeimim air base.

    American journalists claim that this is the first discovery of the Yars complex outside of Russia. This launcher could be delivered to Syria by sea, on the landing ship of the Black Sea Fleet.

    The article also notes that the pictures also show how construction work is being carried out. This, according to the American press, indicates that Russia plans to create a base for the continuous deployment of Yars missile systems in Syria.

    The Yars PC-24 is an intercontinental solid fuel ballistic missile. It is part of the Topol-M family, being a later version of this class of missiles.



    Photo source: en.wikipedia.org
    1. VP
      VP April 1 2016 19: 22
      +27
      Yeah, and Ash in the Euphrates launched.
      This bmpd is joking on April 1st.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 April 1 2016 19: 28
        +1
        It's a pity.........
        1. Armax
          Armax April 1 2016 20: 44
          +3
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          It's a pity.........

          I haven’t heard about YARS, but information about Iskander appeared in the Dushenov. War program.
          Starting from the 14th minute.
      2. avt
        avt April 1 2016 19: 32
        +9
        Quote: VP
        Yeah, and Ash in the Euphrates launched.

        No. There, near the Kurdish region, Vladimir Monomakh entered the reservoir, Vladimir Monomakh "will make the promised two launches of Bulava" from there from Euphrates. So what about ,, Ash "is definitely a joke
        Quote: VP
        This bmpd is joking on April 1st.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 April 1 2016 20: 09
          +2
          Most likely, a complex "very similar to Iskander" at the base in Syria was lit up. And then, after several translations, it turned into YARS. Well, then, especially on April 1, it will turn into anything.
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 April 1 2016 20: 09
          +1
          Most likely, a complex "very similar to Iskander" at the base in Syria was lit up. And then, after several translations, it turned into YARS. Well, then, especially on April 1, it will turn into anything.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v April 1 2016 19: 28
      +5
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      , someone may be in the know?

      Only representatives of the SGA! Our strategic missile forces absolutely do not need such march throws! They can do everything without leaving the territory of the unit!
    3. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 19: 38
      +3
      Pure fake. Although, can a fake be clean? Paradox. Yes, only here, after all, they celebrate April 1.
    4. KRIG55
      KRIG55 April 1 2016 19: 41
      +1
      Nonsense! What is the point to excite the world community and bring to Syria! a highly unstable country complex that from any point in Russia gets any potential adversary. Do not read the newspapers!
    5. weksha50
      weksha50 April 1 2016 19: 43
      +1
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      Friends, apologize. Off-topic. Americans dumped information, someone may be in the know?



      No need to catch April Fools jokes ...

      Yars, whoever needs, and from the territory of Russia will get ...
    6. 31rus2
      31rus2 April 1 2016 20: 06
      +2
      Dear, fear has big eyes, there is "Iskander", but not "Yars", think for yourself what "Yars" to do there
    7. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      Friends, apologize. Off-topic. Americans dumped information, someone may be in the know?

      bully bully bully
    8. poma
      poma April 1 2016 21: 04
      +1
      But was there one YRS or just a dozen?
    9. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 1 2016 21: 17
      0
      I do not know what the British smoke, But the yars in Syria are nonsense of a pink mare, for what the fuck is he ?????
  10. avt
    avt April 1 2016 19: 25
    +14
    The experience of recent large-scale exercises in the south of Russia showed that armored cars in the modern battlefield, where artillery, aircraft, tanks and precision weapons are used, are too vulnerable.
    laughing Who would have thought ! Well, except for the "scoops" who did not understand happiness wassat movement on wheels on all these armored rails of recent years, including "wheeled" tanks. The result is simple - we cut a circle and returned to where it began - BDM on the basis of BMP-3, and in the absence of a sufficient number of the latter to even more ancient BRMs - 1. request
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    .Tam where it is difficult it will go around. "Lynx" has good cross-country ability and the ability to overcome water obstacles afloat. And "Tiger" can it?

    Mom Daragaya! So many times this was said to all those who drooled an idiot at the sight of a wheeled menagerie from exhibitions. laughing
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    .A for reconnaissance raids and operations, I really give preference to the tracked vehicle.

    But all one pretenders - it all sucks, in the West no one has been fighting for a long time. fool But the fact is that all this wheeled madness is a police version of pokatuski against Papuans armed with Berdan in Africa, and then not everywhere, but where it’s dry, I think it won’t reach everyone and cling
    In the companies of deep intelligence, the Tigers will remain.
    That is, the same "in-depth reconnaissance" on the highway to go crunching drying ... wassat
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 19: 44
      +4
      Finally, we stopped listening to what the white gentleman was saying. We have the wrong system grenades. Ugh, roads. Directions.
      I apologize, but "deep exploration", is that what they sell in the Champs Elysees?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 1 2016 20: 10
        +1
        Quote: avva2012
        I apologize, but "deep exploration", is that what they sell in the Champs Elysees?

        My eye also caught hold of it, I can only assume that the reconnaissance group will use it only in safe areas as, respectively, transport, and then legs.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 April 1 2016 20: 25
          +1
          The fantasy played out. 205., Paris, guide, “cafe bistro, appeared because the Russians came in their“ tigers ”and said,“ quickly, quickly, eat. ”Does history develop in a spiral?
    2. cdrt
      cdrt April 2 2016 01: 14
      +1
      Quote: avt
      I would have thought! Well, except for the "shovels" who did not understand the happiness of traveling on wheels on all these armored strips of recent years, including "wheeled" tanks. The result is simple - we cut a circle and returned to what it started with - the BDM on the basis of the BMP-3, and in the absence of a sufficient number of the latter to the more ancient BRM-1.


      On the one hand, the experience of the Americans, they wrote in the military press after Iraq 2003 that scouts should be transferred to the BRM only without armored cars, on the other hand, the Israelis, it seems, use jeeps quite well in the platoon of battalions, and the Americans, in fact, also reconnaissance on the BRM was never completely translated, left in half with armored cars
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 4 2016 10: 18
      0
      Quote: avt
      Who would have thought ! Well, except for the "scoops", who did not understand the happiness of movement on wheels on all these armored strips of recent years, including "wheeled" tanks. The result is simple - we cut a circle and returned to where it began - the BDM on the basis of the BMP-3, and if there is not enough of the latter, to the more ancient BRM-1.

      Hehe hehe ... a would a respectable genie be kind to remind - who until 1989 produced and actively pushed wheeled BRDM into the army? So the "scoop" paid tribute to the wheeled BA.
  11. Lanista
    Lanista April 1 2016 19: 31
    +3
    I also don’t understand why many people see armored cars in the role of universal army vehicles in sweet wet dreams.
    1. Anisim
      Anisim April 1 2016 19: 38
      +2
      Quote: Lanista
      I also don’t understand why many people see armored cars in the role of universal army vehicles in sweet wet dreams.

      I often have this one in my dreams ... (I don’t understand why ..)
      1. wolfhound
        wolfhound April 1 2016 20: 35
        +1
        I also dream of such a thing, I remember envied the battalion commander for an urgent term ... My wife says against feed ... Thanks to Putin for the second time in a year the excise tax on fuel was raised
    2. VP
      VP April 1 2016 19: 41
      +2
      Duc humvi, it’s cynogenically and brutal because, in the solder of fortune, there are a lot of cool pictures)
      1. Anisim
        Anisim April 1 2016 20: 09
        +4
        Quote: VP
        Duc humvi, it’s cynogenically and brutal because, in the solder of fortune, there are a lot of cool pictures)

        I am a volt.! I'm on such an UAZ .. I want a ride!


  12. erased
    erased April 1 2016 19: 36
    0
    On another resource in one of the comments to the article there was a question - why they again take "Lynx". Someone confused the BRM-3 with the Lynx-Iveko armored vehicle. It's funny.
    With the BRM-3 it is clear, but why return the BRM-1? Or are there not enough triples?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 1 2016 19: 41
      +2
      Quote: erased
      but why return the BRM-1?

      Nothing needs to be returned, old enough to upgrade. Wikipedia as much as 700 pieces, as of the current year, shows.
    2. avt
      avt April 1 2016 19: 43
      +6
      Quote: erased
      With the BRM-3 it is clear, but why return the BRM-1? Or are there not enough triples?

      wassat And where do they come from! ?? They do not reproduce by budding. Remember how Makarov's governors sang along in the time of Taburetkin - BMP-3 sucks! On a count it, and even then it is better to burn. And the cars are needed already yesterday, so they take what they have from storage and bring them in. Here is the Shaman of the modder - how he fought no matter what for the BMD-4M and the Shell "! He even promised to take the wheels, if only 4 -ku missed before the series - "Iveka" showed the LADY in Sokolniki, they say we are using it. But how mocked! What was the leapfrog with the manufacturer!
      1. Speedy
        Speedy April 1 2016 23: 24
        0
        Lynxes like in Rubtsovsk on a tractor did. And now it’s kind of like doing it if they’re walking around the site ...
    3. cdrt
      cdrt April 2 2016 01: 11
      0
      Quote: erased
      On another resource in one of the comments to the article there was a question - why they again take "Lynx". Someone confused the BRM-3 with the Lynx-Iveko armored vehicle. It's funny.


      Yes, here is the same noted.

      Quote: erased
      With the BRM-3 it is clear, but why return the BRM-1? Or are there not enough triples?


      And how many BRM-3K there are for the whole RA - 40 pieces, I think, it will not be typed
  13. activator
    activator April 1 2016 19: 37
    +5
    It is a pity that Russia did not support the Belarusians with their stalker. In 2005, he worked with a peasant from Malyshev, he was in Pakistan when they sold tons of 84 tanks. So he was at the exhibition and saw the stalker very much impressed him. At the training ground he spoke miracles and when he moved backwards through a mound, the truck burst and here a few years later I find this video on a tube. A lot of things were told, but somehow everything went by the ears for the French, something like water obstacles being overcome on tanks. Half a day at the place tanks were preparing, then they transported them to the river for two hours, or maybe more I don’t remember anymore. When ours arrived in half an hour, we were ready, and the French were still caulking half a day. When asked what for so long they said, well, like they drove, they shook everything up again.
    1. Lunic
      Lunic April 1 2016 19: 45
      +8
      Video about stalker
      1. wolfhound
        wolfhound April 1 2016 20: 28
        0
        But how is he hiding from panoramic sights, and from RPGs and ATGMs of the 1st and 2nd generation? and such a large crew?
      2. SSeT
        SSeT April 1 2016 23: 43
        0
        Here, by the way, is a great example of a modern BRM - the Stalker-2T. with interchangeable equipment an ideal machine for RGR and RDG. even in the database. When completing it, it can solve the whole spectrum of intelligence tasks, why ignore it - I’m a mystery
    2. activator
      activator April 1 2016 20: 27
      0
      It’s strange, I can’t find that video there the video ended just when the stalker backed up the hill and at the turn the truck burst even was heard.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 1 2016 19: 42
    +3
    Everything is correct. A reconnaissance vehicle in a serious mess must also be "resistant" to means of destruction. Not less than the average BMP. And then falls the first victim, along with perfectly trained fighters. Tiger, he is not bad, but he also has armor ... and weapons, and cannot swim.
  15. 31rus2
    31rus2 April 1 2016 19: 46
    +2
    Dear, everything is correct, weapons, cross-country ability, unification, protection, all this is only a part of the advantages "
  16. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok April 1 2016 19: 59
    +3
    a controversial decision, because at one time it was not in vain that they came up with a mess, and in 1989 they began its modernization. Even in that version, the BRDM-2M (A) with its 7 tons, wheels, torsion bars and a diesel engine of 130 horses is also able to swim, but quieter, shorter and eats less than a solarium.
    So it was necessary to take it as a basis for a new development. And if you need on the tracks, then you need to reduce the length (with decreasing weight) and the volume of the engine, put an uninhabited tower ...
    The crew of the car consists of 6 people: the commander of the reconnaissance group, the commander of the car, gunner, driver, navigator, and also the telegraph and radio operator.
    the crew can be safely reduced to 4 people, which means that the internal volume can also be reduced.
    1. avt
      avt April 1 2016 20: 12
      0
      Quote: 4-th Paradise
      a controversial decision, because at one time it’s not in vain that they came up with a mess,

      It's just hard to see that wheeled BRDM, the same "one" was invented when the same BMP was not in the experimental hardware? Yes, just in the project. Is it just that out of fear, they came to unification on the basis of the BMP-3 in the USSR? "Happiness in the wheels did not know?
      Quote: 4-th Paradise
      And if you need on the tracks, then you need to reduce the length (with decreasing weight) and the volume of the engine, put an uninhabited tower ...

      A lot of things to do .... had to be done YESTERDAY. But NOBODY did it in the 90s. Now they realized it. Well, at least there is a variant of the same "Troichet" and with a dviglom in front and an uninhabited tower .... but it still needs to be tested and done, but the cars are needed yesterday.
    2. 31rus2
      31rus2 April 1 2016 20: 14
      0
      Dear, the equipment needs to be changed, not the chassis, but the installation of the DUM yes I agree with this, and even a mini UAV, yes, an automatic data transfer system, information processing here, a lot of work
      1. SSeT
        SSeT April 1 2016 23: 46
        0
        The fact that they crammed into the Tiger of intelligence will easily fit into the same Stalker, and the place will remain. and combat capabilities and stability will increase at times. Here you have the BRM of a new time, almost ready
    3. wolfhound
      wolfhound April 1 2016 20: 32
      +1
      In order to get to this, you must first burn one hundred cars with a crew in real combat ....
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 1 2016 22: 54
      +2
      Quote: 4-th Paradise
      crew can be safely reduced to 4 people

      It is impossible. On the contrary, it is necessary to increase.

      Only two people go to the outpost. Wound up like mules.

      And the crew is already 4 people. The commander and operator in the tower, intelligence means they rule. Svyazyuk in touch, and in several networks. The driver is generally sacred.

      Quote: 4-th Paradise
      set up an uninhabited tower

      Do not forget about the main purpose of this kind of machines. This is not firing. Armament is solely for self-defense. After installing all the equipment on the PRP, there was only one PCT left.
      1. SSeT
        SSeT April 1 2016 23: 48
        0
        Plus, that's right. still it would be nice to have a place under the "three" RG ... repeat
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok April 4 2016 08: 51
        0
        Quote: Spade
        It is impossible. On the contrary, it is necessary to increase.

        Only two people go to the outpost. Wound up like mules.

        And the crew is already 4 people. The commander and operator in the tower, intelligence means they rule. Svyazyuk in touch, and in several networks. The driver is generally sacred.

        1. Lynx is an artillery reconnaissance vehicle, not a military, remote control unit, and is designed so that fire spotters can, while sitting in bushes or on a tree, carry out artillery fire adjustment. For combined arms intelligence, this remote control is optional. etc...
        Quote: Spade

        Quote: 4-th Paradise
        set up an uninhabited tower

        Do not forget about the main purpose of this kind of machines. This is not firing. Armament is solely for self-defense. After installing all the equipment on the PRP, there was only one PCT left.

        2. Uninhabited towers are different, even with an ordinary PC on board, but take up less space. Management can be made duplicated, for example, bring to the console the commander of the tank and the radio operator. As a result, a separate operator sitting in the center of the car and occupying a huge place is not unnecessary.
        3. The military intelligence machine is designed to move along enemy rear lines, in front of the advancing units, and not stand in the caponier behind the positions of its troops, and therefore it should be as inconspicuous as possible. But by hanging on top of it versatility, you get a huge coffin visible for tens of kilometers in which 20 technicians are sitting, a cover battalion ...
  17. avva2012
    avva2012 April 1 2016 20: 07
    +1
    It is interesting, but, based on the terrorist attack in Dagestan, the "Tiger" would have withstood better than the UAZ, albeit armored. And, if so, why not use it for "internal" needs?
  18. Hauptam
    Hauptam April 1 2016 20: 20
    +3
    It's high time, you can't compare the "armored car" and the BMP. What technique was the least serious in the SA. Correctly BRDM 2. Better yet, use the "2T Belarusian stalker".
    1. Nehist
      Nehist April 1 2016 21: 28
      0
      Why didn’t you mess? Crawls better than tracked, floating. He would have modern equipment and there would be no price
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 1 2016 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Nehist
        Crawls better than tracked

        ?
        You are greatly mistaken. He's not really "creeping" ...
        1. Nehist
          Nehist April 1 2016 22: 16
          +1
          Kama, like with his winch, he will pull himself out anywhere you can’t tell about goose if she sat on her belly. A wheeled vehicle specifically for tactical reconnaissance has more advantages than a tracked one. But again, it all depends on the theater of technology Universal technology unfortunately has not yet been invented
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 1 2016 22: 38
            +1
            Where the BRDM pulls itself out with a winch, the geese will simply not get stuck. And where they sit on their belly, the winch to the BRDM will simply not help.

            Too high, prone to tipping over, buggy engine, no intelligence, and there is nowhere to put them.

            Initially, they were going to replace the BRM-1K with BRM-3K in reconnaissance missions, and the BRDM-2 with BRDM-3
            Then Deripaska's managers started pushing the Tirga, trying to replace both cars, which is impossible in principle.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist April 1 2016 23: 25
              0
              Well, it’s generally known that we don’t bring technology to our minds. How many self-made modernizations in the troops are coordinatingly improving equipment cannot be counted. But for some reason, Nikam does not come to the head to summarize this experience, and if it does, then our army bureaucracy, which will infiltrate the civilian, will ruin all positive undertakings. Lynxes and kites are mediocre machines. According to the idea, a new highly specialized machine is needed.
              1. 4thParasinok
                4thParasinok April 4 2016 17: 04
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Too high, prone to tipping over, buggy engine, no intelligence, and there is nowhere to put them.

                1. that's just a diesel engine was installed on the BRDM-2M, and even 40% more powerful than gasoline.
                2. The suspension has already been replaced with a torsion bar with spring
                3. A controversial issue, especially if you make an uninhabited tower with the same KPVT.
                4. I spoke about the creation of new specialized wheeled vehicles using the experience of the BRDM, and not about the resumption of production
            2. cdrt
              cdrt April 2 2016 01: 07
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Initially, they were going to replace the BRM-1K with BRM-3K in reconnaissance missions, and the BRDM-2 with BRDM-3
              Then Deripaska's managers started pushing the Tirga, trying to replace both cars, which is impossible in principle.


              I wonder why the Lynx has a steel case, when the BMP-3 has aluminum?
              1. Herman
                Herman April 2 2016 01: 22
                +1
                In "Frontline illustration 2008-11 - Armored infantry vehicle BMP-3 ch2" about this it is written:
                "... BRM-3K is made on the units and assemblies of the BMP-3, but not entirely on its basis. In fact, it is a completely different machine, although it is very similar to the BMP-3 in chassis. The BRM-3K has a steel armored body of the original design. , which in its configuration only resembles BMP-3. RMZ (Rubtsovskiy machine-building plant from Altai) had excellent armored hull production, but unlike Kurgan, it was not reconstructed for the production of aluminum hulls. Hull protection is not lower than that of BMP-3 .. . "
                Copied from the "partisan base".
  19. Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe April 1 2016 20: 47
    0
    What is the meaning of an "intermediate" transition if NEW PLATFORMS are on the way?
    1. black
      black April 1 2016 21: 02
      0
      We must serve and fight now.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt April 2 2016 01: 06
      0
      Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
      What is the meaning of an "intermediate" transition if NEW PLATFORMS are on the way?


      How many years are BMP-3 brought to mind?
      So the new platforms in the troops will be brought to mind 10 years for sure
  20. Double major
    Double major April 1 2016 21: 10
    +1
    Cool. Taburetkin is given a position. His bedding is freed with the return of the paintings. And the Lynx, who do not go in winter, is returned to the army ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt April 2 2016 01: 05
      +1
      Quote: Twice Major
      And the Lynx, who do not go in winter, is returned to the army ...


      Why read an article if "I have my own opinion."
      BRM-3K Lynx ...
  21. sounddoc
    sounddoc April 1 2016 21: 55
    +3
    Still, the "Tiger" is a police operations vehicle for the rapid transfer of personnel with light weapons to the hotbeds of internal conflicts! No more, no less ...
    With the current development of anti-tank weapons among "sworn friends", this "armored car" on the battlefield is a weakly armored mobile target. Even the GAZ-233036 "Tiger" (SPM-2) is an armored vehicle, has a 5th class of ballistic protection GOST R 50963-96 "(wiki) in the photo - a version of the" Bison "for the riot police. Tracked, well-armored, with modern weapons and modern electronics, equipment will be able to solve problems under enemy fire and save the life of the personnel.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist April 1 2016 22: 18
      +1
      Tasks under enemy fire are solved by MBT. And the patrol and reconnaissance equipment is basically not intended for this.
  22. Parkan
    Parkan April 1 2016 22: 42
    0
    if you leave the wheeled chassis for reconnaissance operations (although it is better to have caterpillar and wheeled chassis in stock), then such a chassis should already be equipped not only with stele technologies in the IR and radio range, but also with sound. For this hybrid engine it is.
  23. cdrt
    cdrt April 2 2016 01: 04
    0
    Interestingly, but how many of the same Lynxes are. It seems they were either in one part, or in two
  24. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 2 2016 05: 54
    0
    Initially, it was not worth changing tracked vehicles to wheeled .. Russia is not a country in which the level of road infrastructure allows the use of wheeled vehicles only in reconnaissance activities ..
  25. tchoni
    tchoni April 2 2016 08: 21
    +2
    Well, right now, they will meah. I will say this - the goose will not provide the tactical mobility needed by the scouts. The survivability of the goose BMP three thousand kilometers. Overhaul mileage tymyach 15. The wheeled tiger has 30 thousand on wheels and 100 thousand on everything else. As for patency - are you going to attack the swamp? without bridges and roads? Viter in sratsu - as they say skakly. I’ll say this about weapons: shooting for a scout is tantamount to a failure of the task. And further. The wheeled machine is an order of magnitude quieter than the goose. And landing and landing in a tiger is more convenient. So for tactical intelligence, this is a step back.
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY April 2 2016 15: 45
      +1
      Quote: tchoni
      As for patency - are you going to attack the swamp? without bridges and roads?

      And what about the fighting on the highway and autobahns? And the infantry at the PS-1/2/3/4 lying on the couch?
      We will need and we will pass through the swamp.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 2 2016 22: 11
        -1
        Quote: BIGLESHIY

        And what about the fighting on the highway and autobahns? And the infantry at PS-1/2/3/4 lying on

        Mostly yes! They fight where there are material values. Where there is something to capture and defend. And in the swamp to catch nefig, except for dampness and malaria ... And for the swamp bmp is too heavy. Motoliga on wide gsyanki, where else did not go ...
    2. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander April 2 2016 19: 51
      0
      goose does not provide tactical mobility needed by scouts

      It's funny to even read such a pearl. What is the fact that the other cars are almost the same in speed and speed. But the Tiger's passability is much weaker, which will LIMIT ITS TACTICAL MOBILITY.
      The survivability of the goose BMP thousand three km

      In order to run over these thousands in a REAL war, you still need to try and be lucky ... The German "Tigers" also had crazy reserves in terms of the resource of any bearings and so on ... but all this was not useful in a REAL war then.
      I’ll say this about weapons: shooting for a scout is tantamount to a failure of the task

      You probably confuse the concepts of reconnaissance with the help of reconnaissance groups, where you really need to be quieter than the water and below the grass, and reconnaissance in the zone of the broken enemy defense, where these vehicles should actually be used. So, if you went to reconnaissance by car, then be sure that no "quiet" noise will help you, you will be found even if you make noise or you will drive quietly. Well, when driving through an unknown area, you can run into any troubles and then the more powerful your weapon, the better for you ...
      Yes, and landing and landing in the tiger is more convenient

      And in a Mercedes C class, the landing and disembarkation are GENERALLY GORGEOUS, so let's ride it on reconnaissance.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 2 2016 22: 35
        +1
        You have a nickname "former battalion commander" haven't played enough with tracked vehicles? Really you never had to march at least a hundred kilometers? and skrrst BMP on the road remember? kilometers 40 otherwise you will kill everything and the engine and hodovka. especially in summer. Mekhvoda grew these 100 km even if squeeze and hang on a carnation - he is not. And the landing, if in combat - the same. Especially in the heat.
        Noise does not affect visibility - yes, it determines it! Tank, and you begin to hear bmpshku earlier than to see. But for reconnaissance, the main thing is to see and hear the enemy. Understand: busy intersection or not? Is there anyone in the village or what? And if you really decide to conduct reconnaissance, and not stand on the block until the blue of a broken BMP is blue, you will quickly roll these unfortunate 3000 (provided that the BMP was driven from the factory, and not from the remot, where it was sculpted from what was .)
        What a tiger, what BMP in order to burn would be enough to hit one RPG or something like that. If you run into someone else's watch, then, as a rule, the tactics here are as follows: whoever shed the first one is good for him.
  26. kalita
    kalita April 2 2016 11: 50
    0
    Russian weapons are the best in the world.
  27. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force April 2 2016 12: 16
    0
    so what did we think before? how much money was thrown away or laundered again? and before we didn’t think, before we promoted the novelty a tiger report and taking it as a visor as we like to do it without thinking about its relevance and necessity
  28. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander April 2 2016 19: 25
    +1
    My opinion is a "Tiger" car only to carry generals in the frontline zone, but in no case for reconnaissance or even more battle. Well, they released a couple of hundred and enough for pampering.
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  30. 2005 Aleksey
    2005 Aleksey April 3 2016 18: 36
    +1
    I have no words. The article is informative.