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Russia is testing three projects of heavy drone

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Began testing three projects of heavy domestic unmanned aerial vehicles. The representative of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, who is at the FIDAE-2016 international exhibition in Chilean Santiago, said this in an interview with Interfax. From the message of the UAC representative:
This drone three projects in dimension three, five and ten tons. The vehicles are in varying degrees of readiness: some have already flown, others are preparing for the first flight.



Russia is testing three projects of heavy drone


According to the source Interfax, the development of heavy UAVs are engaged in Russian enterprises that are part of the structure of the United Aircraft Building Corporation. According to him, the Ministry of Defense has set the main parameters for the creation of heavy UAVs, and these parameters are priorities in the production of works.

From the statement of the expert:
The demonstrators have already been created, the flights of which have confirmed the correctness of the decisions made. According to the results produced product samples.


Recall that at the beginning of the year, Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov announced that the first Russian heavy drone was created, capable of not only conducting reconnaissance, but also striking at targets. According to some reports, the development of the UAV was carried out by specialists of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, the Sokol Design Bureau, as well as Transas-Aviation". On the characteristics of the UAV is not yet officially reported.
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  1. Oleg Lavrov
    Oleg Lavrov April 1 2016 14: 26
    +33
    Very popular equipment, nowadays. Good luck in your work!
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 14: 31
      +1
      the time will come, of course, information will appear, but it’s interesting. Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?
      1. dr.Bo
        dr.Bo April 1 2016 14: 37
        +33
        The disastrous nineties strongly threw us back!
        I hope to eliminate the backlog!
        1. cniza
          cniza April 1 2016 14: 59
          +11
          Quote: dr.Bo
          The disastrous nineties strongly threw us back!
          I hope to eliminate the backlog!



          If there is a desire, decision-makers, then be sure to catch up.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 April 1 2016 15: 10
            +8
            Quote: cniza
            If there is a desire, decision-makers, then be sure to catch up.

            ... how to say, we’ll go ahead soon, the very ideology of using drones is somewhat different from that of Zapadnikov ... we will wait for reliable information ... while everything is secret, except for the approximate weight of the vehicles ... hi
            1. poquello
              poquello April 1 2016 15: 58
              +1
              Quote: Inok10
              Quote: cniza
              If there is a desire, decision-makers, then be sure to catch up.

              ... how to say, we’ll go ahead soon, the very ideology of using drones is somewhat different from that of Zapadnikov ... we will wait for reliable information ... while everything is secret, except for the approximate weight of the vehicles ... hi

              An interesting strategic and economic moment - Russia has built factories for the production of diapers, and now has begun to show what weapons it makes.
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad April 1 2016 23: 30
                +2
                There is a reasonable hope to weld on supplies to the "civilized" world! laughing
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            2. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx April 2 2016 18: 43
              0
              theoretically - drones are used for reconnaissance and targeting in order to secure a soldier - but we have a different tactic as you say ... - a dead spotter - as a result of this tactic?
          2. vv3
            vv3 April 2 2016 01: 40
            +12
            Look how famously it turns out: we are already talking and building strike UAVs. But what about ordinary small UAVs, like their integration with other weapons. Where we have a common information field. As I understand it, they need the target’s coordinates to fire the Hurricane and the Coalition. the attack aircraft and the bomber worked, they should get the coordinates of the target. It seems to me that the funds I have listed are more destructive than any strike UAV, the main purpose of the UAV is to give such coordinates. Moreover, when creating an information field in real time, the leading role belongs to the UAV. the information field is created with the help of calculators, it provides for the presence of closed channels, repeaters, provides the exchange of information between reconnaissance devices and means of destruction, allows you to control the means of destruction from a single information and combat control centers. But the drone UAV is one of the elements of this system. Those. if there is not enough radius of destruction for other weapons, and there is no way to keep patrol guided aircraft means in the air, then they use shock UAVs. They can patrol zones for a long time. But again, their main function is to give out the coordinates of targets. As I understand, we have all this fiction Already have and we are missing only the drone UAV? It seems to me that an attempt to create such UAVs without creating such an information system is untimely and harmful. The lack of a developed information network, as the basis of modern warfare, which provides for the integration of weapons and reconnaissance equipment in real time, does not allow you to move forward and master modern methods of warfare It throws us back to the level of World War II, forces us to use spotters, and does not allow us to use all the capabilities of our ultramodern weapons. The same will happen with UAV drums if this information foundation is not created.
            1. Nonik
              Nonik April 4 2016 20: 37
              0
              But what about ordinary small UAVs, how their integration with other weapons.
              And just as in Syria - conventional reconnaissance UAVs are used and transmit coordinates - everything as you wrote. The drone UAV is the next step.
              1. Skif100500
                Skif100500 April 5 2016 17: 48
                -1
                And why do we need strike UAVs if there are missiles in stock? What for to produce superfluous devices?
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        3. vv3
          vv3 April 2 2016 00: 44
          0
          Look how famously it turns out: we are already talking and building strike UAVs. But what about ordinary small UAVs, like their integration with other weapons. Where we have a common information field. As I understand it, they need the target’s coordinates to fire the Hurricane and the Coalition. the attack aircraft and the bomber worked, they should get the coordinates of the target. It seems to me that the funds I have listed are more destructive than any strike UAV, the main purpose of the UAV is to give such coordinates. Moreover, when creating an information field in real time, the leading role belongs to the UAV. the information field is created with the help of calculators, it provides for the presence of closed channels, repeaters, provides the exchange of information between reconnaissance devices and means of destruction, allows you to control the means of destruction from a single information and combat control centers. But the drone UAV is one of the elements of this system. Those. if there is not enough radius of destruction for other weapons, and there is no way to keep patrol guided aircraft means in the air, then they use shock UAVs. They can patrol zones for a long time. But again, their main function is to give out the coordinates of targets. As I understand, we have all this fiction Already have and we are missing only the drone UAV? It seems to me that an attempt to create such UAVs without creating such an information system is untimely and harmful. The lack of a developed information network, as the basis of modern warfare, which provides for the integration of weapons and reconnaissance equipment in real time, does not allow you to move forward and master modern methods of warfare It throws us back to the level of World War II, forces us to use spotters, and does not allow us to use all the capabilities of our ultramodern weapons. The same will happen with UAV drums if this information foundation is not created.
        4. vv3
          vv3 April 2 2016 01: 39
          +12
          And now a simple example. Primitive and murderous to tears. In Syria, the main channel for supporting terrorists in the north, about 100 km of the border. We place one battery of Hurricanes and Coalitions in the Alepo area and on the other side of the corridor at friendly Kurds, like another 2 batteries, naturally guarded. They cover the entire corridor. Over the corridor from the side of Syria, we organize constant patrolling by a group of helicopter-type UAVs at an altitude of 3 km. The quantity is selected considering the properties of their surveillance systems. The simplest, with day and night vision systems, equipped with GLONASS receivers under the control of operators with the ability to transmit their coordinates to the operator, the operator, detecting the targets, controls the UAV so that it hangs over the target and at that moment receives the coordinates of the UAV. artillery and missile systems. Operators are sitting, for example, in Alepo. If there are inaccuracies in the example, do not judge strictly. This is not important. I chose the most primitive, very simple UAV. The corridor is closed. Where's the fantasy? One question: why is this not done? What am I wrong about? This is a small element of modern warfare that we cannot wage. It's a shame and a shame .... And they threw me a hundred minuses ... See below.
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          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 2 2016 07: 33
            +7
            It was smooth on paper ....
            You simplify things too much. Syria’s problem is not that they don’t know where to shoot! Syria’s problem is that they don’t produce ammunition, they have nothing to shoot. Russian ammunition will be brought in - the Syrians are advancing, they will not be brought in - they will retreat.
            Do you know how much one shot of a tornado costs? Do you know the ammunition consumption standards for hitting various targets?
            1. vv3
              vv3 April 2 2016 10: 01
              +4
              And in the DNI, too, is not enough ammunition? We taught them everything. But to force ukrov to strictly observe the line of demarcation we can’t. Or we don’t know that we don’t want to think about what we don’t want.
              1. dima mzk
                dima mzk April 2 2016 16: 20
                +2
                there since the days of the USSR warehouses chock, did not even have time to sell
          3. dima mzk
            dima mzk April 2 2016 16: 18
            0
            There are Turks complexity and NATO with their electronic warfare, there over Syria such a background with you your simplest will not even fly up.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 2 2016 16: 24
              -2
              What is necessary and says that the level of technology is the same for everyone. This means that simply no one can get away from the scale of the effects of enemy EMP. And how to expand the potential and scale through the density of email. nobody understands the magnetic process. Physics — it is physics.
          4. Dora2014
            Dora2014 April 2 2016 22: 04
            -1
            You do not know how to lead. You do not confuse your homeland with mine - they are not at all dissimilar. I am quite satisfied with our UAVs, especially those that you are not aware of. Be humble, not on the Maidan.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 2 2016 22: 11
              +2
              The enemy is not as dangerous as his own du..ak.
          5. Skif100500
            Skif100500 April 5 2016 18: 11
            0
            How many illustrations from MO do you need so that it is not "offensive and ashamed"? There is no full-fledged grouping of troops in Syria, only the combined air regiment has worked there, and the sailors and strategists have added. Why would we do all the work for the Syrians ... we have almost no ground forces there, only security and air defense.
        5. Fat
          Fat April 4 2016 11: 49
          -1
          there is no such "Eslm" as I read the "press" and "YES". "question". someone Stopped the state. A deadly race ... Kuzhgetovich was not a dream even then ... it was NOT the notorious 90 years old. No lagging! There is little conscience on US.
      2. YGV-97219
        YGV-97219 April 1 2016 14: 40
        0
        Keyword own, jean yes
      3. ssergn
        ssergn April 1 2016 14: 47
        +1
        Interestingly, but do not care?
      4. poquello
        poquello April 1 2016 14: 51
        +8
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        the time will come, of course, information will appear, but it’s interesting. Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?

        hit the corner, these are our KB
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 18: 10
          +15
          and where does the angle come from, I asked a question, I didn’t say anything, there was a question for the discussion, I thought I would get answers and explanations, and to me ABOUT ANGLE and MINUSES. . . talked called with knowledgeable people. It became interesting to me what technologies were used, everything was independent or something was borrowed (and I was stupidly MINUS, MINUS). . . because before that many devices were purchased or tried to organize assembly before the sanctions. . . maybe you have reasonality problems and logic?
          1. Ivan Burygin
            Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 18: 21
            -5
            Was the back included? Or a 5 year old boy who is "interested"? You (Israel) are still shut up in a rag about nuclear weapons. So if you are so inquisitive - open the world: does Israel have nuclear weapons, how many, what carriers? And what kind of pulled-off technologies did they cook?
            PS This is a problem with reasonableness if you naively assumed that the secrets of developing the latest weapons would be revealed to you ...
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 18: 35
              +18
              The back of what I turned on? And here is Israel and I? Our under a license agreement produced:
              manufacturer: Israel Aerospace Industries
              Bird I-400 and Surcher-2
              Number of devices 36

              THAT is what I meant it is a FACT, I am from Kazakhstan, Russian citizenship, I will not tell you anything about Merkava and nuclear weapons in Israel. . .

              FROM YOU aggression and rushing like a stung. . . be peaceable.
              1. Ivan Burygin
                Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 18: 38
                -21%
                Then a counter-proposal: turn on the brain when you write "opuses" in the comments. The tone may not be "moralizing - mocking and exclusive" used.
                PS About Israel - sorry, my site shows this flag on your nickname.
                1. Wild_grey_wolf
                  Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 18: 49
                  +12
                  Do not be rude and the tone will not be preachy, or you are used to having no consequences Speaking out. . . You insulted me and not you. And I still somehow adapt to YOU ​​after that. . . You are an interesting character.
                  1. Ivan Burygin
                    Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 19: 59
                    -12%
                    You flatter yourself, thinking that I was rude to you. Just dotted i. A pompous character like you doesn’t even have to be rude, they are simply ignored.
                    1. Wild_grey_wolf
                      Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 20: 17
                      +6
                      Quote: Ivan Burygin
                      You flatter yourself, thinking that I was rude to you. Just dotted i. A pompous character like you doesn’t even have to be rude, they are simply ignored.


                      what is my pomp, what you have militant points over AND are obtained. . . You in life also communicate this way and how it turns out that you can find understanding among those participating in the dialogue, well, although there are different people and somewhere this style of dialogue is welcome. . . to each his own. It’s not very good for you to ignore. And I don’t understand why I didn’t like you.
          2. poquello
            poquello April 1 2016 18: 47
            +1
            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            and where does the angle come from, I asked a question, I didn’t say anything, there was a question for the discussion, I thought I would get answers and explanations, and to me ABOUT ANGLE and MINUSES. . . talked called with knowledgeable people. It became interesting to me what technologies were used, everything was independent or something was borrowed (and I was stupidly MINUS, MINUS). . . because before that many devices were purchased or tried to organize assembly before the sanctions. . . maybe you have reasonableness problems and with logic ?

            ))) I didn’t try to surround you, but I couldn’t put more than two pluses.
            well, the people of the railway sleeps here like salmon caviar, ask questions more correctly,
            but it turned out - "do people know that you are a woodpecker?" , so they got angry
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 April 1 2016 20: 25
            0
            Game

            do not take close ...

            People do not know how to use the grading system.
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 20: 37
              +2
              Quote: gladcu2
              Game

              do not take close ...

              People do not know how to use the grading system.


              I do not perceive very closely. . . but I wonder where the dialogue will lead.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC April 1 2016 23: 20
                +1
                They will ban all the floods, sorry and offtopic.
          4. dauria
            dauria April 2 2016 00: 08
            +2
            talked called with knowledgeable people.


            Yes, just give a damn, these are not cons, so are emotions smile
            Only to you a question, really on this site hoped get at least a drop of information on such work? laughing

            Here either what is in "Google" (sometimes absurd), and extremely rare really valuable memories of the campaigners. (But old and certainly not secret)
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 2 2016 07: 09
              +7
              Quote: dauria
              talked called with knowledgeable people.


              Yes, just give a damn, these are not cons, so are emotions smile
              Only to you a question, really on this site hoped get at least a drop of information on such work? laughing

              Here either what is in "Google" (sometimes absurd), and extremely rare really valuable memories of the campaigners. (But old and certainly not secret)


              but not such a reaction, I expected it for sure))), especially when you write a topic for discussion, put the QUESTION mark, and turn into an accomplice of a foreign state. And he saw so much hatred of others and on a national basis, and so simple hatred of everyone. And for no reason. . . something like this.
      5. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU April 1 2016 14: 53
        +2
        I hope with a backlog on the front, and not just copying the American Predator. We not only need to drive alahakbarov across Syria, but also to put obstacles, to work with air-to-air missiles, etc.
      6. Kostyar
        Kostyar April 1 2016 15: 16
        +1
        Straight hands itch to look at these m .. m ... m, love, artworks !!!
      7. quote
        quote April 1 2016 15: 59
        +2
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Own development, based on Israeli developments or purchased technology there ?

        This is a masterpiece!
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 18: 20
          +2
          Quote: devis
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Own development, based on Israeli developments or purchased technology there ?

          This is a masterpiece!


          License agreements for the production of Israeli UAVs in 2005-2012
          I HERE had this in mind and there was a question, but in heavy drones, all of ours is interesting or the achievements of someone else were used. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION
          country Russia
          manufacturer: Israel Aerospace Industries
          Bird I-400 and Surcher-2
          Number of devices 36
          1. quote
            quote April 1 2016 19: 04
            -1
            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            I mean it

            Sorry. My jamb. I didn’t guess.
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 19: 14
              +1
              This is all the trouble. . .
      8. Deniska
        Deniska April 1 2016 16: 43
        -1
        Based on Israeli developments or purchased technology there?


        Is there no third option? All from "God's chosen"?
        1. Basarev
          Basarev April 1 2016 16: 52
          +1
          In general, I think that over time, drones will replace all manned aircraft ... And now, the creation of an unmanned attack aircraft would be the greatest success. The Americans are already remaking the A-10 into drones.
        2. bertgolz
          bertgolz April 1 2016 17: 21
          -13%
          Of course, of course, Russian-made drones have already lined up
        3. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 18: 23
          +1
          since there were contacts with Israel, what can I do about it, this is HISTORY, not to remove. . . what's so bad here. But not with heavy drone drones.
          Maybe we just speak different languages, mister.
      9. Gorynovich
        Gorynovich April 1 2016 18: 14
        +2
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Interesting Own developments, based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?

        Hardly bought.
        And if "on the basis", and gently violet: the fact that the Manhattan project was partially spioneer "did not affect the bottom line in any way - we have a vigorous loaf.
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 18: 46
          +1
          Well, I'm just glad, I have no doubt that there will be a magnificent device. . . Initially, my question had a different meaning, but here on the forum it was somehow strange turned upside down. Well, what are you doing? We are all different PEOPLE.
          1. warriordima
            warriordima April 2 2016 07: 28
            +1
            So seemingly light reconnaissance vehicles bought from the Jews., And here a fundamentally different technique, heavy vehicles, such giants took as DRY, for example, here Israel is not around, they do not have heavy drones.
            Your question to the audience caused such a "negative", since the question itself could not have been asked as inappropriate.
            1. atalef
              atalef April 2 2016 07: 37
              -1
              Quote: warriordima
              here Israel is not standing near, they do not have heavy drones.

              IAI Eitan (Heron TP) - Israeli multi-purpose UAV, developed by IAI based on IAI Heron. Compared to its predecessor, it is large and equipped with turboprop engines.

              The on-board equipment includes tracking and target detection systems in the optical, infrared and radio ranges, satellite navigation and shock complexes.
              The wingspan of the device is 26 m [3], which is comparable with the dimensions of the Boeing-737 airliner [4]. The ceiling is 13,7 km [3]. The flight duration is 36 hours [3]. It was reported about the possibility of "hanging" in the air at an altitude of 4,5 km above the controlled areas and the prospect of equipping a refueling system in the air. At a cruising speed of 296 km / h (maximum - 460 km / h), it can theoretically fly 14 km. The maximum take-off weight is 800 kg [4650] [3] The payload of the Eitan can reach 4 kg [1000].

              On Sunday, a new unmanned aerial vehicle "Eitan" (manufactured by the Israeli concern "Aviation Industry", IAI) was adopted by the Israel Defense Forces Air Force. This UAV, which is the largest in the world, surpasses Heron-1 drones and American counterparts in size, range, maximum height and payload.

              2010 year.
            2. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 2 2016 08: 32
              +2
              Quote: warriordima
              So seemingly light reconnaissance vehicles bought from the Jews., And here a fundamentally different technique, heavy vehicles, such giants took as DRY, for example, here Israel is not around, they do not have heavy drones.
              Your question to the audience caused such a "negative", since the question itself could not have been asked as inappropriate.


              I am used to dialogue in an adequate manner. . . with understanding people. Immediately without understanding, they made a spanking. . . it is not in Russian.
      10. mgfly
        mgfly April 1 2016 18: 14
        0
        self-imposed, import substitution after all announced))
        But seriously: that's why, if always new, then in any way copied from amers or someone else !? I remember a funny picture - on it there is a photo behind some of our experienced glider from a "dry" and from a similar angle a raptor - a dry raptor older than a raptor for a couple of decades, but they looked suspiciously similar ...
      11. stas132
        stas132 April 1 2016 18: 37
        0
        What's so interesting? All, as far as necessary and necessary, steal and buy technology. And from the economic side it is often more profitable to steal and buy and, on this basis, develop in the right direction. And to us, with our past perturbations, in general, everything is to our advantage.
      12. Finntroll
        Finntroll April 1 2016 18: 51
        +2
        Yes, I don’t care if this helps to catch up and push our own production a few steps forward, then even if they order the technology from the Pentagon, personally from the US Secretary of Defense. The Russian tank-building school also started with the Renault tank, and where did it come today? Right now we are not just in a trend, we are leaders.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 1 2016 19: 13
          -8
          Just do not be so naive. With the modern development of weapons, the tank is not an obstacle. Well, just do not have to be an idiot in order not to understand that the question is how much explosives with a rocket to bring, that the tank exploded from the inside. Therefore, tanks are tactical weapons, which means you need to invest money accordingly. According to the relevant regulatory forecasting models in combat, the tank is given up to five minutes of battle (Maybe less). Therefore, it is one thing to conduct hostilities with tanks with low-paid gangs and another thing to deal with a strategic adversary. Therefore, talk about trends on the panel. In reality, everything is somewhat different.
          1. Finntroll
            Finntroll April 1 2016 21: 06
            +4
            This is not a naive fact. Yes, a tank is a tactical weapon, and the electronic stuffing of a modern tank allows it to be a serious obstacle for any ground enemy. Conversations in the style of "I'll climb onto the roof, rip out the hatch, throw in a lemon and your" Armata "khan" leave it for the Censor, they like this hawala. Recent conflicts have shown that one tank lives on the battlefield for 5 minutes, and the other two with fire and caterpillars (in the same 5 minutes) decide the outcome of the battle in a positive direction. There is no alternative to the tank in the ground forces, and this is also not expected in the near future. All the drones, so far, are only beautiful and expensive toys, no one can replace a person on the battlefield, this is another fact. And finally, explain to me the dark how different things are in reality ???
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 1 2016 23: 33
            0
            With the development of electronic warfare, we will come to the conclusion that the tank can only be hit with a simple blank disc
      13. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 19: 36
        +1
        Russia’s cooperation with the Israeli IAI on UAV purchases began in 2009, when vehicles worth about $ 100 million were directly purchased from the Israelis. In 2010, Oboronprom signed a three-year contract with IAI for licensed production of several UAV types in Russia for the amount of $ 400 million, of which $ 300 million accounted for 10 complexes of the heaviest vehicles with a long Searcher flight (each complex includes a control station and several aircraft). The cost of the current contract is “approximately equal” to the value of the 2010 contract, said the source of Vedomosti in the aviation industry.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 1 2016 20: 54
          -7
          After this, to call the Russians smart is not enough. With the potential for innovation, patriotism and desire, he works for the good of the fatherland and after that giving such amounts to the side, it becomes clear that these are not friends of the Russian people. And now I’m starting to understand that it’s better not to deal with Russians. Drink vodka, poralesit, posslosovat is possible. But business is hardly worth doing. Conclusions suggest themselves.
          1. Dora2014
            Dora2014 April 2 2016 22: 12
            0
            Well, yes - you are on the Maidan much smarter than jumping. We are watching the whole country. We are not hurt and funny. Thanks for the science!
        2. gridasov
          gridasov April 1 2016 21: 30
          0
          The validity of my arguments that such contracts with Israel are useless, and consists in the fact that, by design, UAVs do not represent a new opportunity to increase neither the duration of flights, nor increase the payload, nor increase flight performance. There is nothing new in expanding the possibility of air dominance. The reason for everything is the basis - it is propulsion systems and propulsors. Propellers and propellers do not allow efficient conversion of engine operation and do not increase either speed, maneuverability, or payload, etc. In short, you can endlessly chat. but from this, aircraft cannot fly better. I say this based on the fact that we are able to position the device more efficient than a screw or propeller and, accordingly, than any aircraft turbine. If you are not connected with understanding the essence of the processes on the blades and processes in the turbine, then it is very difficult for me to explain anything to you.
      14. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 1 2016 21: 05
        0
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Own developments, based on the developments of Israel

        Can you tell me which specifically on this piece of technology in Israel?
        Yes, even those that are no longer anywhere and their RF needs to urgently buy (if sold, of course wink)?
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 21: 10
          +1
          Quote: Alekseev
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Own developments, based on the developments of Israel

          Can you tell me which specifically on this piece of technology in Israel?
          Yes, even those that are no longer anywhere and their RF needs to urgently buy (if sold, of course wink)?


          Personally, I repeat to you:
          License agreements for the production of Israeli UAVs in 2005-2012
          I HERE had this in mind and there was a question, but in heavy drones, all of ours is interesting or the achievements of someone else were used. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION
          country Russia
          manufacturer: Israel Aerospace Industries
          Bird I-400 and Surcher-2
          Number of devices 36

          What is unusual, I wrote. Everything on Our Resource has been written and Illuminated many times.

          By the way, thank you for the MINUS. Keep it up.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev April 2 2016 09: 36
            0
            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            Personally, I repeat to you:

            Personally, you do not need in PM either. smile The meaning of the forum in a wide discussion.
            But still, YOU somewhat misunderstand my question.
            After all, it was asked not about the availability of agreements, but about specific production technologies of the above UAVs. Of course, in the most general terms, those. documentation does not need to be stolen and published. laughing
            This, and not information about the existence of certain agreements with Israel, I am sure, causes the forum users and I, in particular, personally have the greatest interest.
            If you do not own such information, then there is no trial.
            PS
            For minus, do not be offended - this is a trifle, I already don’t remember something whether I put it or not.
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 2 2016 11: 40
              +1
              And why do I need to provide something, I asked a question. This was not a statement. The guys were in close contact with Israel, Iraq was shot down by an American drone ... and it seemed to be handed over to our intelligence. . . I wrote Development and a question mark, and production technology is another. . . how did you manage to attribute them to me.
        2. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 21: 15
          +1
          Quote: Alekseev
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Own developments, based on the developments of Israel

          Can you tell me which specifically on this piece of technology in Israel?
          Yes, even those that are no longer anywhere and their RF needs to urgently buy (if sold, of course wink)?



          Here is the answer not from me in the same style:

          Quote: Burieway
          boring Today, 15:02 ↑
          It's just that our current main drone "Forpost" is an Israeli "Surcher", licensed from Israel, don't get overwhelmed. And it is recognized that the Jewish devices are the best so far.
          It’s hard to imagine a UAV of 10 tons. The IL-2 had a take-off weight of 6,5. The torpedo bomber Il-4 has about 10.
        3. gridasov
          gridasov April 1 2016 21: 38
          +1
          The fact of the matter is that in Russia, in Israel, in America, all aircraft fly on the principles laid down in the century before last. If just that, propellers and propellers are not effective for converting the flow energy into a driving force. Therefore, I personally do not see even a competitive process in that someone has an advantage in the ratio of any parameters. All at the same level of technology. We are talking about a fundamentally new level of capabilities that are organized precisely by the mover and whose work is in other levels proportional to the operation of the engine. Well, if I say. that the flow vector forming the driving force of the flight can be instantly directed in any direction in azimuth and up to the opposite from the vector of the flight direction and without stopping the engine and propulsion and without loss of power, then you simply won’t believe it. But this is all simple and is a fact. This is called new technology. Rather, part of its advantages that it gives.
          1. Wild_grey_wolf
            Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 21: 56
            +1
            Quote: gridasov
            The fact of the matter is that in Russia, in Israel, in America, all aircraft fly on the principles laid down in the century before last.



            But does anyone argue with this or belittle the scientific and intellectual potential of leading countries. . . and that a new breakthrough push is also needed CORRECTLY. And I have no doubt that our device will be very beautiful. And own production.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 1 2016 22: 04
              0
              I don’t have to think much that I don’t understand that there is already a breakthrough. It concerns the opportunity to understand that hydro-gas-dynamic processes, in particular, turbulent ones, can be primarily analyzed mathematically, and not at the level of speculation and fantasy. And this already allows us to see what is hidden from our imperfect perception. Now the question is who will be the first to own these methods of analysis and calculation methods.
              1. Wild_grey_wolf
                Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 22: 15
                +2
                Quote: gridasov
                I don’t have to think much that I don’t understand that there is already a breakthrough. It concerns the opportunity to understand that hydro-gas-dynamic processes, in particular, turbulent ones, can be primarily analyzed mathematically, and not at the level of speculation and fantasy. And this already allows us to see what is hidden from our imperfect perception. Now the question is who will be the first to own these methods of analysis and calculation methods.



                Time will tell as they say, I am for Russia to make a breakthrough first.
              2. Dora2014
                Dora2014 April 2 2016 22: 31
                +1
                Hydro-gas-dynamic processes begin to be studied in the second semester of the first year of any aviation university in Russia. Aircraft fly specifically according to the laws of aerodynamics. You carry pseudoscientific nonsense with special terms. You are not an aviator - it is a fact. I have seen so many times ... but I'm not an obstetrician or a gynecologist.
          2. poquello
            poquello April 1 2016 23: 56
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            We are talking about a fundamentally new level of capabilities that are organized precisely by the mover and whose work is in other levels proportional to the operation of the engine.

            I have a déjà vu, or have I heard this six months, a year, a half and a half ago?
            Quote: gridasov
            the flow vector forming the driving force of the flight can be instantly directed in any direction in azimuth and up to the opposite from the vector of the flight direction and without stopping the engine and propulsion and without loss of power

            Newton, where are you going?
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 2 2016 00: 13
              0
              Newton did not strongly appeal to spin processes of motion. Moreover, he did not have knowledge of the laws governing the motion of a hydrogasdynamic flow. And even more so, he did not have the ability to simulate these processes at the expense of email. magnetic interactions. ... Therefore, do not blame me, but you need to possess knowledge from the past, but this should not limit the ability to understand the unknown. Actually, there is nothing new. Moel of the distribution of flows as on a "chessboard" - the alternation of longitudinal flows (and they practically do not exist), the running-in moments of the jets of contact and the moments of rotation of the main flows - all this opens up new possibilities.
              It is all the more insulting that you heard this. And nothing has changed".
              1. Dora2014
                Dora2014 April 2 2016 22: 33
                0
                Guys!!! He’s not in himself! And you are with him, as with the present!
          3. Dora2014
            Dora2014 April 2 2016 22: 21
            0
            Interestingly, what will you do with "g" when you turn the "flux vector in the other direction"? The engine will come off, or you will lose the rocket from the pylon. Science fiction is where the Maidan and the fighting hopak are. This is in your homeland.
      15. NordUral
        NordUral April 2 2016 11: 27
        0
        Good to borrow is not a sin.
      16. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 2 2016 11: 40
        0
        the time will come, of course, information will appear, but it’s interesting. Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?
        And why are you not satisfied with Israeli technology? Israel is one of the leaders in drones, and it is very good that we have access to their technologies.
      17. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 2 2016 11: 40
        0
        the time will come, of course, information will appear, but it’s interesting. Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?
        And why are you not satisfied with Israeli technology? Israel is one of the leaders in drones, and it is very good that we have access to their technologies.
      18. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer April 2 2016 13: 36
        0
        Both development and technology, as far as is known, are proprietary.
      19. dima mzk
        dima mzk April 2 2016 16: 09
        -2
        bought from China, OS Windows 98 processor 233 MHz
      20. nesvobodnye
        nesvobodnye April 3 2016 02: 09
        -1
        Even if not bought, but stolen, what's the difference if the result is positive?
        Our tank building and long-range strategic aviation also began with a simple copying of samples of Western weapons.
      21. Fat
        Fat April 4 2016 08: 23
        -1
        Everything has long been impersonal. The state of the planet is closer to the dupa. Say a few words in favor of "prosperity or prosperity in the field of TECHNO." Let me remind you that even those who did not have citizenship paid with their lives for the Russian nuclear component of defense. The more painful it is to perceive simply "naked facts" ... As in a tavern ... When ordering a march to a musician, it is foolish to count on a beautiful "meal"
    2. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus April 1 2016 23: 12
      0
      We look forward to the emergence of UAVs in agriculture!
  2. sir_obs
    sir_obs April 1 2016 14: 29
    +23
    It would be interesting to see in more detail how a strom of an aircraft modeller. The first drones I in a kindergarten folded from a sheet of copybook, but it looks like ...
    Good luck to aircraft manufacturers in all directions.
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris April 1 2016 14: 30
    +2
    Maybe work will appear at aircraft factories (Smolensk, Saratov for example)? Now there are many such machines, and the direction is promising ..
    1. quote
      quote April 1 2016 16: 05
      0
      Quote: dmi.pris
      You need such cars now


      many yes?
      (added a question mark).
    2. Dora2014
      Dora2014 April 2 2016 22: 36
      0
      Marshal! The Saratov aircraft factory was demolished a long time ago. There is a hypermarket now.
  4. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig April 1 2016 14: 33
    +1
    Yes, heavy impact drones are a necessary thing, as long as we lag behind them, but I think that not everything is lost.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 1 2016 14: 35
    +3
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Maybe work will appear at aircraft factories (Smolensk, Saratov for example)? Now there are many such machines, and the direction is promising ..

    And do not say a colleague. There are so many people in the country without work. But after all, many are willing to do the right thing! That job should be interesting. Yes, and there should be family income.
  6. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 April 1 2016 14: 36
    0
    It would be more likely to identify and treat “childhood diseases” - and in a series
  7. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 April 1 2016 14: 37
    +4
    Again, they hung the Moldovan flag - how much can I do?
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 April 1 2016 14: 47
      +13
      Quote: nazar_0753
      Again, they hung the Moldovan flag - how much can I do?

      Looks like the administrator burned you at some construction site and decided to joke wassat
    2. V.ic
      V.ic April 1 2016 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: nazar_0753
      Again, they hung the Moldovan flag - how much can I do?

      Probably Moldovan drinks tasted ...
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist April 1 2016 15: 45
      +1
      Quote: nazar_0753
      Moldovan flag hung - well, how much is it possible?

      Eh, one more time .... I remember this replica, they said - don’t worry, we’ll assume that it’s a special task. laughing
    4. quote
      quote April 1 2016 16: 02
      0
      Quote: nazar_0753
      It would be more likely to identify and treat “childhood diseases” - and in a series

      Quote: nazar_0753
      Again, they hung the Moldovan flag - how much can I do?

      There is something in this, "based" on the first quote.
      1. quote
        quote April 1 2016 16: 13
        0
        Quote: devis
        Quote: nazar_0753
        It would be more likely to identify and treat “childhood diseases” - and in a series

        And what about "adult ailments" who, sometimes, much later "climb out" because of haste?
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 1 2016 14: 39
    +4
    The most important thing in Russia is done in secret.
    And it is right...
    1. Blaster
      Blaster April 1 2016 15: 15
      +4
      The main thing is that everything that is done in secret should benefit Russia, and not individuals
  9. poquello
    poquello April 1 2016 14: 48
    +3
    Heh, and who told me that we do not have them.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 1 2016 14: 53
      0
      Quote: poquello
      Heh, and who told me that we do not have them.


      Formally, but not yet hi
  10. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz April 1 2016 14: 54
    +11
    I will eat sauerkraut ... BUT !!! The defense industry should plow !!!!! Children and grandchildren were sure that any lover would .... roll up his lip.
    1. TsShVS
      TsShVS April 1 2016 15: 18
      +8
      It’s better if we eat normally and generally live well, and that the defense industry works as it should!)
      1. sodick
        sodick April 1 2016 15: 44
        +2
        And what do you dislike about sauerkraut? Very tasty, and the Muscovites in public services are in demand when the documents are signed)
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 1 2016 16: 30
      +2
      This one will not put anyone on his knees anymore - in November he will be kicked out of the white house with his kick in the ass.
      1. SOKOL777
        SOKOL777 April 1 2016 22: 17
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        in November, he will be kicked out of the white house in the ass.

        Early rejoice, dear!
        Who will come instead of him?
        If Clinton in the world really smells of war, for this she goes there ...
        She has enough practice for this mission (when she was the US Secretary of State, the "Arab Spring" began).
        Representatives of the Clinton clan are part of the so-called "world government." The goals of this club have long been announced ... negative
        Today's lop-eared US president is a flower.
  11. Ivan Burygin
    Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 14: 56
    0
    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    the time will come, of course, information will appear, but it’s interesting. Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?

    Is this a subtle allusion to the exclusivity of "God's children"? You think a lot about yourself, you can see the mattress "economy torn to shreds" is contagious ...
    1. drilled
      drilled April 1 2016 15: 02
      +3
      It's just that our current main drone "Forpost" is an Israeli "Surcher", licensed from Israel, don't get overwhelmed. And it is recognized that the Jewish devices are the best so far.
      It’s hard to imagine a UAV of 10 tons. The IL-2 had a take-off weight of 6,5. The torpedo bomber Il-4 has about 10.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 1 2016 15: 25
        0
        Quote: Burieway
        It’s hard to imagine a UAV of 10 tons. The IL-2 had a take-off weight of 6,5. The torpedo bomber Il-4 has about 10.

        request Well now, composites - the hull can be lightened, engines are more efficient to deliver, even if the same IL-2 is assembled from new materials, equipped with a good engine and a remote control - it will turn out to be a cool heavy unmanned vehicle, it will only be noisy because of the screws.
        Ours would be some kind of miracle generator or some other car to come up with (hybrid - xs), so that flying purely on electric motors would be fast and long - that would be a breakthrough.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 1 2016 15: 48
          0
          Of course, well done, that do not lag behind global trends. Of course, drones will take their place. However, the introduction of new technologies in engines can become a real breakthrough for many years. The main solution is already there, but it is impossible to break through. It turns out like in the days of the pharaohs. There was already a light bulb, and mass consciousness had to be prepared for a thousand years.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 1 2016 16: 35
            -3
            Quote: gridasov
            in the time of the pharaohs. The light bulb was already

            belay
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 2 2016 01: 27
              +1
              It's funny ... there are at least 5 people who believe that in the days of the pharaohs there was already a LIGHT BULB .. lipidric, as I understand it ..

              Funny with us (s) laughing
            2. atalef
              atalef April 2 2016 07: 41
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: gridasov
              in the time of the pharaohs. The light bulb was already

              belay

              As I understand it, these are the great ancient UKRs, they sold the license to them. laughing
      2. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 19: 56
        +1
        Quote: Burieway
        It's just that our current main drone "Forpost" is an Israeli "Surcher", licensed from Israel, don't get overwhelmed. And it is recognized that the Jewish devices are the best so far.
        It’s hard to imagine a UAV of 10 tons. The IL-2 had a take-off weight of 6,5. The torpedo bomber Il-4 has about 10.



        I am glad that I came across a man who understood what I was talking about and not about any conspiracies I did not speak and did not praise the Israelites. . .
    2. bertgolz
      bertgolz April 1 2016 18: 31
      -3
      what are you, what are you, where are the children of God before you!
  12. vmo
    vmo April 1 2016 15: 00
    +1
    GOOD FELLOWS !!!!
  13. freejack
    freejack April 1 2016 15: 01
    +2
    A few years ago, we had a "complete disaster" with the drones !!! (((((And now ... wow! ... For monitoring, reconnaissance and target designation already in combat formation ... Heavy drummers are on the way!) Respect! hi
    1. bertgolz
      bertgolz April 1 2016 17: 27
      -5
      <A few years ago, we had a "complete trouble" with the drones> - now, as much as you want! If you want - a paper layout, if you want - great animation.
      1. shans2
        shans2 April 1 2016 21: 18
        +3
        fart vomits, really do not like it? hereditary protoucr? laughing
  14. Ivan Burygin
    Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: Burieway
    It's just that our current main drone, "Forpost", is licensed from Israel, don't get too excited. And it is recognized that the Jewish devices are the best so far.

    And no one is fuming. Simply the answer is incorrect, in the style of the Indian "exclusivity". With the same success, it can be stated that the Indian Indos "pulled off" a bunch of technologies from the USSR and Russia in the space, aviation and other areas. However, like Israel.
    1. drilled
      drilled April 1 2016 15: 10
      +3
      A bit wrong. They pulled people who created these technologies. This is more serious than the drawings.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 1 2016 15: 28
        +3
        Quote: Burieway
        A bit wrong. They pulled people who created these technologies. This is more serious than the drawings.

        technology was also thrilled be healthy, I think during the collapse of the USSR - from the Union republics (and ours) - a lot of things were taken from the military and other strategic developments of the USSR.
      2. ver_
        ver_ April 1 2016 15: 40
        +1
        ... each of them individually does not carry much information ..- each has its own piece of information: designers, technologists, programmers, ... and the higher the position, the less specific knowledge and more administrative commercial ...
      3. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 20: 04
        +1
        Well, they pulled off and pulled off who argues with this, there is a certain topic and the question I had was on this topic. . . but the fact that we are copying KNOW-HOW and we are copying. . . intelligence is no secret. . . but because of this it’s WHY to be agressive and nervous and measure the correctness of the question in our own manner))) Ivan Burygin is now measuring the correctness of the QUESTIONS and ANSWERS as I understand it.
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist April 1 2016 15: 50
      0
      Quote: Ivan Burygin
      With the same success, it can be said that the Indian Indos "pulled off" a bunch of technologies from the USSR and Russia in space,

      Let's remember how many developments our instructors intercepted and then became trendsetters. Fau, faustpatron, flamethrower, nuclear bomb.
  15. Million
    Million April 1 2016 15: 11
    +4
    It is good of course that we are developing new types of weapons. But the question arises: for whom are we doing? For ourselves at the expense of the budget? Or for sale to replenish the budget?
  16. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 1 2016 15: 14
    +15
    "Buran" is the very first super-heavy drone.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 1 2016 15: 29
      +6
      Quote: Rostislav
      "Buran" is the very first super-heavy drone.



      But the way it is ... It is strange that they somehow forgot about it ...
    2. bertgolz
      bertgolz April 1 2016 18: 33
      -6
      really! And it is still in use!
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 20: 44
        +2
        Quote: bertgolz
        really! And it is still in use!


        and it’s already used differently or not, the Main Successfully produced, launched and operating time remained. . . and you know what time it was.
      2. shans2
        shans2 April 1 2016 21: 23
        0
        20 years before the Americans were able to do something similar with a much smaller model ...... and now the United States uses space shuttles, and rockets to the moon, and engines, everything has gone somewhere too, no?
        What prevents the United States from flying back to the Moon, the Union rocket launcher is made of electronic tube, take it, do it fly .... but no, they can’t. Shuttles, too, safely about .... and they are not trying to build new ones, although the great thing, 25 tons were put into low orbit at any point and the dimensions of the compartment were impressive ...
  17. 123321
    123321 April 1 2016 15: 27
    +12
    Reconstruction of the airfield (I will not say where) is already underway for these devices. A parking place for 2 Il-76 aircraft, as well as a UAV squadron (4 medium-range and 4 long-range complexes). In 2016, it will be able to receive flights. apparatuses.
    1. n0isy
      n0isy April 1 2016 16: 24
      +9
      yes you, my friend, an intriguer: http: //former.rf/article/85460/


      Dossier ZR
      Steppe is a class 1 military airfield in the Olovyanninsky district of the Transbaikal Territory, east of the village of Step. In November 2010, it was closed. From 2013 to the present, it is under reconstruction. At different times, the following were based at the airdrome: 6th Bomber Aviation Regiment (1969-1990); 58th Aviation Regiment of fighter-bomber (1969-1990); 266th Assault Aviation Regiment (Su-25) (1990-2010).
      1. midivan
        midivan April 1 2016 21: 43
        +4
        Quote: n0isy
        yes you, my friend, an intriguer: http: //former.rf/article/85460/

        Well, why immediately the schemer laughing ? maybe a person doesn’t know that you can click on a picture and find it in Yandex or Google, and there choose what’s more to your liking either an article under it or a humor laughing
  18. grandson of the hero
    grandson of the hero April 1 2016 15: 37
    +1
    What we put on the wing - there is no doubt a single gram. What is there with the control system, its security and the elementary base on which all this is implemented?
    I am sure measures have been taken. And, therefore, nano- (this is not an abusive word, as it seemed to anyone) -electronics, related productions, programmers ... will be needed. That's where the main advantages are.
    What is very positive for devices of this class - there are no restrictions on human physiology (a fragile creature is all the same) and life support systems are unnecessary. If only the iron could withstand.
    1. aavolyr
      aavolyr April 1 2016 16: 00
      +2
      Once upon a time, in the army, my zampotech had a favorite saying in response to the complaints of techies, this thing broke - then it’s something to break, it’s a person if he is a person (finger to the top)! - never breaks ...
  19. bolgove
    bolgove April 1 2016 15: 38
    +2
    Oh scary April 1 to read such news here .... and suddenly joked? and everyone was already happy))
  20. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 1 2016 15: 45
    0
    Robot Wars - ALREADY SOON!
  21. Naum
    Naum April 1 2016 15: 48
    0
    For drones (Air, land, sea) - the future! The most valuable thing in any car is not iron, but man. And if the crew will fight at a distance, in a calm, safe environment, then this is a guarantee of success. We will also hear about the drone UAVs, submarines, ground modules.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 1 2016 20: 35
      0
      Naum, how does this future connect itself with the electronic warfare system?

      The drone concept seems to be related to the presence of bearded alhakbar.

      Then the question. And where do they bother anyone in the Russian Federation?

      Not to Europe with friendly help? :)
  22. Saburo
    Saburo April 1 2016 15: 49
    0
    I remember reading about "Skat" back in 2008, they promised that it would fly in 2010.
  23. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu April 1 2016 16: 05
    0
    With the military-industrial complex it seems to be leveling ... well done. When will the rest of the country be taken up?
  24. Mikelanjelo
    Mikelanjelo April 1 2016 16: 07
    0
    You can hold competitions among gamers and take on the service in the army
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp April 1 2016 16: 18
      0
      Tankers have already paid attention to gamers!
      Non-sickly drones are obtained! Mig-21 weighs 5000 empty, 10000 full.)))
  25. Ivan Burygin
    Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 16: 11
    -3
    Quote: Bort Radist
    Quote: Ivan Burygin
    With the same success, it can be said that the Indian Indos "pulled off" a bunch of technologies from the USSR and Russia in space,

    Let's remember how many developments our instructors intercepted and then became trendsetters. Fau, faustpatron, flamethrower, nuclear bomb.

    Are you so sure? Actually, the "legislator" of missile development (Brown) belongs to the Indos, nuclear weapons (Oppenheimer) are in the same place ... The fact that we have not lagged behind for decades on these topics is a merit of foreign intelligence. But the conversation in this case is about something else: the Wild_Grey_Wolf comment (from which the controversy began) is an attempt to raise a handful of territorial thieves among the Arabs to a state of Indian "exclusivity" and "with a pointing finger" to try to poke Russia into its "backwardness and savagery". This is not acceptable to me.
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 20: 49
      +1
      Wow, you’ve come up with this and you pulled all this out of my question. . . and why would I poke Russia. . . I'm already shocked by what you can imagine. So before the theory of conspiracy can be agreed.
  26. logix1312
    logix1312 April 1 2016 16: 29
    0
    fellow FINALLY!!!
  27. Torins
    Torins April 1 2016 16: 59
    0
    Quote: Ivan Burygin
    Quote: Bort Radist
    Quote: Ivan Burygin
    With the same success, it can be said that the Indian Indos "pulled off" a bunch of technologies from the USSR and Russia in space,

    Let's remember how many developments our instructors intercepted and then became trendsetters. Fau, faustpatron, flamethrower, nuclear bomb.

    Are you so sure? Actually, the "legislator" of missile development (Brown) belongs to the Indos, nuclear weapons (Oppenheimer) are in the same place ... The fact that we have not lagged behind for decades on these topics is a merit of foreign intelligence. But the conversation in this case is about something else: the Wild_Grey_Wolf comment (from which the controversy began) is an attempt to raise a handful of territorial thieves among the Arabs to a state of Indian "exclusivity" and "with a pointing finger" to try to poke Russia into its "backwardness and savagery". This is not acceptable to me.

    All that the Americans created in the 50s and 70s was created by specialists removed from Gremania, who were given resources and money, all that they did not have in Germany at the time of Hitler)) Specialists were not in a hurry to surrender to us, they knew that will work for free and behind barbed wire lol
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 1 2016 18: 24
      0
      It would be foolish to think that it was Soviet. and now the Russian scientific school is the most perfect and effective in the matter of innovative ideas on a variety of topics. Therefore, the Americans combined different scientific approaches. And in this we have achieved much better success both in the effectiveness and presentation of new ideas and their implementation. I recently read that over 20% of advanced ideas in Russia are the result of the work of scientific and technological revolution. Of course, it's always a balance. However, the main priority is given to "purely" developments. And, of course, in the theme that Russian submarines are already some stage after which the developers of other countries have reached. Therefore, when we position the new propulsion engine, it is strange to see complete indifference to such ideas.
  28. tchoni
    tchoni April 1 2016 17: 15
    0
    UAVs are a very important and necessary part of the Air Force of the future. However, I want to warn against a complete transition to unmanned air forces, since the electronic warfare is not asleep ...
  29. Nross
    Nross April 1 2016 17: 36
    0
    "trials of three heavy projects ...", from April 1, you, gentlemen.

    It seems to me that today the news is not worth reading at all ....
    1. Ivan Burygin
      Ivan Burygin April 1 2016 18: 34
      -2
      At interfax, this news passed yesterday. So - ignore your dreams.
  30. Gunther
    Gunther April 1 2016 18: 13
    +3
    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    ... interesting Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?

    As an advocate of free software and a patriot, I believe that "own development, based on the development of Israel" is based on our developments.
    And in fact, what to take from Israel besides dates?
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: Gunter
      Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
      ... interesting Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?

      As an advocate of free software and a patriot, I believe that "own development, based on the development of Israel" is based on our developments.
      And in fact, what to take from Israel besides dates?


      And I believe in our science by 100%, for this reason there is a question mark there, I hoped that Friends from Israel would tell us something interesting. . . but no received a Merry surprise from ours in the form of MINUSES)))
  31. Gunther
    Gunther April 1 2016 18: 38
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    Quote: gridasov
    Recently read that over 20%
    leading ideas in Russia are a consequence
    NTR work.

    The master wants to say that in this case the Pareto principle does not work?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 1 2016 18: 45
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      Of course it works. And I think that this is normal when some tension is held. No wonder the Americans realized their mistake that they destroyed the USSR. Full dominance in one area or another makes you commit actions that could not be done if there were no such advantages.
  32. Gunther
    Gunther April 1 2016 19: 11
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    These "Americans" (I call them pendoshkans - so as not to offend Mexico and Costa Rica) are real demons, they realized that further actions to dismantle the USSR could be unjustified and ineffective - they put the Pareto curve at their service.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 1 2016 19: 18
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      Excuse me, but the fact that the Americans are waging wars by corporations, and Russia as a whole country, makes them honor and recognition.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 April 1 2016 20: 43
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        gridasov

        What is the honor? In the loss of state sovereignty, for the sake of lobbying for interests?
        1. gridasov
          gridasov April 1 2016 21: 50
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          In the fact that they herded the bulls into the stall and completely control their behavior. The Americans have miraculously destabilized the global situation and are now playing their game. They changed the tactics of confronting countries with natural resources to develop energy-saving technologies and in the near future they will leave all countries with oil to fight each other. At the same time, they will already stand in the way of mastering new technologies and will be regardless of the conjunctural prices for oil and gas. The proof of what I said is the statistical data on investments in innovative developments over the past, even ten years. The war in Kuwait and Iraq is an opportunity not only to "rob" for free oil, but also to bring closer the possibility of introducing and mastering new technologies. There is no need to explain to those who do not see this.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 April 2 2016 00: 03
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            gridasov

            Do not admire publicly predatory principles of development.

            Americans may fall into a situation of internal confrontation. There may not be a worthy peacemaker if they split their state.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov April 2 2016 00: 20
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              I repeat a thousand times that emotions and commitment to certain things sometimes need to be left and work with information as raw materials. Therefore, I am only talking about those processes that are obvious and reasonably evidence-based.
              America has long lived in confrontation on many issues. Moreover, it is completely controlled at one level by the country itself, and at other levels with different groups of other countries. But the elites always adhere to some kind of their own and plan and goals that correspond to the tactics of "divide and conquer"
              We’ll add a hurricane later
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 2 2016 01: 29
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                Quote: gridasov
                Moreover, it is completely controlled at one level by the country itself, and at other levels with different groups of other countries. But the elites always adhere to some kind of their own and plan and goals that correspond to the tactics of "divide and conquer"

                You are slurred ...

                Quote: gridasov
                We’ll add a hurricane later

                in the brains ?? wassat

                He’s always there, hike .. request
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov April 2 2016 10: 28
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                  You are not a deeply intelligent person if you cannot give a definition to the phenomenon when roofs are torn down and trees are broken. You look even dumber than that you don’t realize that at the time of the pharaohs the principle of the operation of the light bulb was known, and the conveyor for their production was not created. But these are your problems.
            2. gridasov
              gridasov April 2 2016 10: 25
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              Yesterday it was reported that Saudi Arabia has created an investment fund of $ 2 trillion. dol to create a new model of the economy not based on raw materials. It is unlikely that anyone participating in these forums is able to find a connection between the discovery and invention of a simple physical process and the device that uses it and what is being created in Saudi Arabia. But this is already a global confrontation between the intellect of scientists from countries that entered into confrontation not on the fields of military battles. Therefore, smart people understand that at least the prerequisites for new ideas are needed in order to then buy millions of scientists who will harness themselves to solving problems. But if this prerequisite is not there, then it does not matter how much money is in the bank. When I talk about the novelty of the physical process used for the UAV flight, it has an incredibly huge meaningful value. This is exactly the support on the "cornerstone" on which the future model of a non-resource economy is built.
  33. Gunther
    Gunther April 1 2016 20: 39
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    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    And I believe in our science by 100%, for this reason there is a question mark there, I hoped that Friends from Israel would tell us something interesting. . . but no received a Merry surprise from ours in the form of MINUSES)))

    Yes, on the site, as you know, people are hot, and for a quote from "DMB" you can get a warning)))
    Well, what news from Israel, the Israeli Defense Ministry informed all military enterprises that the status of Russia, when approving arms deals, was changed from "ordinary" to "special", this is for the supply of S-300 to our Iranian partners, for vowing us with the Surcher-2 UAV »Since 1998, everyone already knows, as well as the fact that he is now working in Syria for the benefit of our Iranian and Syrian kamarads :-)
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 21: 01
      +1
      friends from Israel I had in VIDA regular visitors to this resource, Professor, Pupyrchaty and have not seen for a long time, then forgot their Nicky. I thought something would be told. . . and again in a good way.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 1 2016 22: 18
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        I certainly missed their minuses.
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 22: 23
          +1
          everything happens, the main thing is not to despair.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov April 1 2016 22: 37
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            Here I am. that the F-35 has constant engine problems. This is exactly what I have said many times that the area of ​​the "combustion chamber" should be brought out of the plane of the blade and should only come into contact with its periphery. Materials science is no longer enough. Technology has approached the milestone. Modernization will no longer help. She has exhausted herself. Only cardinal approaches can open room for new improvements. But you can't do without a beginning.
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf April 1 2016 22: 47
              +1
              You wrote this more than once in the comments. . .
              1. gridasov
                gridasov April 1 2016 23: 02
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                Quite right! I noticed . that many people generally inattentively read comments. And working with people allows me to see the obvious that people are not imbued with the meaning of what was said. They read words to fill their own illusions. Therefore, you have to, as it were, say: "make you see and feel." Sorry, but this is also technology.
              2. gridasov
                gridasov April 1 2016 23: 07
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                You yourself say that you would like to see a breakthrough in Russia. But I am not "hammering" thoughts into the minds of Americans or Chinese. It turns out that reproaching me is in fact the opposite?
                1. Wild_grey_wolf
                  Wild_grey_wolf April 2 2016 07: 17
                  +1
                  It looks a little strange when you repeat the same thing. . . and I don’t think that they will normally respond to this on the resource.
  34. vv3
    vv3 April 2 2016 00: 17
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    Look how famously it turns out: we are already talking and building strike UAVs. But what about ordinary small UAVs, like their integration with other weapons. Where we have a common information field. As I understand it, they need the target’s coordinates to fire the Hurricane and the Coalition. the attack aircraft and the bomber worked, they should get the coordinates of the target. It seems to me that the funds I have listed are more destructive than any strike UAV, the main purpose of the UAV is to give such coordinates. Moreover, when creating an information field in real time, the leading role belongs to the UAV. the information field is created with the help of calculators, it provides for the presence of closed channels, repeaters, provides the exchange of information between reconnaissance devices and means of destruction, allows you to control the means of destruction from a single information and combat control centers. But the drone UAV is one of the elements of this system. Those. if there is not enough radius of destruction for other weapons, and there is no way to keep patrol guided aircraft means in the air, then they use shock UAVs. They can patrol zones for a long time. But again, their main function is to give out the coordinates of targets. As I understand, we have all this fiction Already have and we are missing only the drone UAV? It seems to me that an attempt to create such UAVs without creating such an information system is untimely and harmful. The lack of a developed information network, as the basis of modern warfare, which provides for the integration of weapons and reconnaissance equipment in real time, does not allow you to move forward and master modern methods of warfare It throws us back to the level of World War II, forces us to use spotters, and does not allow us to use all the capabilities of our ultramodern weapons. The same will happen with UAV drums if this information foundation is not created.
  35. complete zero
    complete zero April 2 2016 07: 57
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    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    the time will come, of course, information will appear, but it’s interesting. Own developments based on Israeli developments or purchased technologies there?

    like there was a fuss (during the first war in the gulf) ... an American drone shot down Iraq ... and it seems to have handed it over to our intelligence? (which is quite possible) such practice is used everywhere and there is nothing wrong with that, and we steal other people's secrets even more so if this allows us to accelerate the production of our weapons?
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf April 2 2016 08: 40
      +1
      But did I write that it is bad or humiliating, so good and so good, I was interested in facts and the latest news from the world of Unmanned modeling and production? There was a precedent for collaboration, it became interesting how things are now, of course, everything important under the bar is secret and maybe something will be revealed over time. That's all.
  36. gridasov
    gridasov April 2 2016 10: 49
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    At a time when I try to attract attention to my developments in possible ways and at the same time remain the mockery of far from sagacious people, innovation centers are being created in China with very favorable conditions for work and creativity. Why would they be so generous with all this? And here is the second piece of news. Saudi Arabia creates investment. fund of 2 trillion. dollars to create a new model of a non-resource economy. Therefore, the conclusion is simple, that while some "scratch their heads", others create the prerequisites for their own development and search for their place in the future world. I don’t know what attracts me to Russia, but it is worth saying frankly that its manually controlled economy has no prospects of being steadily developing. This means that, against the background of the actions of other countries, its future is uncertain. Who does not understand that a "war" of models of future economies has begun, which are based on still unopened fundamental foundations in the field of physics and mathematics. But everyone feels that something will happen, but they do not know how and in what form.
  37. ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 April 2 2016 20: 48
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    Quote: dmi.pris
    Maybe work at aircraft plants (Smolensk, Saratov for example) will appear?

    The Saratov Aircraft Plant has long been demolished, and a shopping complex was built in its place. crying
  38. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer April 4 2016 12: 50
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    Author - I apologize. PROJECT DO NOT TEST! Don't you have a release editor? Who would check the material before publication?

    Either work is underway on three projects ... or as part of three different projects, tests of UAVs have begun.

    If there is a different degree of readiness, then you cannot combine all three with the heading "tests started".
    Usually civilians understand by "Testing" - the beginning of flight tests. Before that, there are a number of tests, the intricacies of which it makes no sense to go into.
    Since flight testing is considered the most important "milestone" in an aircraft design project.
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