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Military enlistment office, dreams come true. Spring Call-2016

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If even 10-15 years ago, the officers of the military commissariats announced that conscription issues related to staffing would be resolved before the conscription began, then many would think that they only smiled bitterly. To serve the Motherland themselves - without stretching through numerous subpoenas or engaging law enforcement officers - not all persons who fell under the draft campaign were called. Many had to, as they say, drag them by the ears, neck and other parts of the body, so that they would realize their honorable duty.


The fact that even before the president signed the decree it was possible to talk about staffing, but also that it would be necessary to arrange almost a competition for vacancies, previously military commissariat officers could only dream of. It was generally their sweet dream, which seemed unrealizable. And here, as one well-known advertisement tells us - dreams come true ...

Military enlistment office, dreams come true. Spring Call-2016


Information that the call "Spring-2016" will be all right and even better, appeared on the basis of the collection of military commissioners of the Russian regions. We are talking about the Moscow region gatherings of military commissars of the Western Military District, which was recently reported by the newspaper "News". Reporting indicates that the number of draft dodgers among persons of military age has decreased by an order of magnitude. Moreover, if the letters of complaint that they are not taken to serve, were previously noted except that the North Caucasian (Chechen and Dagestan) draftees, now representatives of various levels of government receive such letters in various regions of the country. Young people complain that the officers of the military commissariats refuse to call them, as those who wish to serve have certain limitations revealed during the medical commission. This may be, for example, overweight or relatively weak eyesight. The reasons for the refusal of draft commissions are simple: the fact is that the military registration and enlistment offices have the opportunity to make real choices. And why risk a young person’s health if the “quotas” of an appeal allow one to “deal” with those who are suitable for health and anthropometric parameters, as they say, here and now.

Those who wish to serve in the army today are about 30 thousand, more than planned to call. The total "spring" draft plan - 155 thousand people.

What has changed in the Russian army, and why has the service in it become much more attractive than it was a decade or two ago? Answering this question, you can philosophize for a long time, but in fact any philosophy will be superfluous, because everything lies on the surface. Increased prestige of the Russian army. And not only the word-of-mouth radio works here - when young people who have served on conscription tell their friends who are conscripts that the army (at least in the overwhelming majority of military units) is fine with feeding and uniforms, and with a number of real practical exercises. Although the role of such a word of mouth is very significant in this case. It also works that the modern youth of the draftee sees on the TV screen, computer, smartphone.

Someone may be surprised, but many modern young people are very actively watching the newsconcerning the conscription service, and indeed the state of affairs in the Russian army. And if you compare media reports about this state of affairs yesterday and today, the difference is huge. The frightened yesterday's teenagers, dressed in some sort of castoffs and unfeeding from a total lack of funding, and quite worthy soldiers of a worthy army, are already appearing on the screens. And not the army, as in the 90s, turned by those in power, excuse me, into a rabble, and actually thrown at the mercy of well-equipped and trained militants of international terrorist cells in the North Caucasus - without any support from the population. And the victorious armies. Yes, yes ... It’s the winner! The same army, whose representatives have recently shown themselves to be real professionals and heroes, inflicting crushing defeats on the very same terrorist bandit groups, but this time "entrenched" in Syria.

Young people see the awarding of heroes who have returned from the Hmeymim airbase. Young people are watching how Russian is improving. weaponand what interest it has in the representatives of foreign countries. Young people understand that taking a place in the structure of defending the Fatherland today is a really serious motivation and a real honor.

The attitude of society towards the modern Russian army has definitely changed. If even 10 years ago, public opinion polls demonstrated the disbelief of Russians that the army is capable of protecting the country and its citizens, today there is a radical change in the situation. The majority of Russian citizens (more than 60%) consider the Russian army combat-ready and sometimes ready to solve the most difficult and responsible tasks, regardless of which enemy they are talking about. But it is the attitude of society towards the army that is another important element of the prestige of military service. When a soldier is confident that he has support in the form of a reliable rear, that the social significance of his service is great, then the level of his personal responsibility to the state and society rises.

Yes, of course, it is impossible to say that all problems in the modern army have been solved. In principle, no one talks about this. It is important that these problems can be solved in principle if the state turns its face to its army. The increase in the prestige of the army service does not come only because from where the relevant directives will descend from above. The prestige of the army, which is now actively being restored, is a titanic work that state structures cannot do without public support by definition.

In general, the spring draft campaign in Russia started on a positive wave. Good luck recruits!
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  1. avvg
    avvg April 1 2016 05: 20
    +37
    Polite people have done their job and young people want to be polite.
    1. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 April 1 2016 05: 34
      +77
      Will the times return when the girls didn’t walk with those who did not serve?
      1. Mitek
        Mitek April 1 2016 06: 22
        +59
        Quote: USSR 1971
        Will the times return when the girls didn’t walk with those who did not serve?

        And liberal dandruff will write that
        1) Due to the crisis, mothers ran out of money to excuse children from the Army.
        2) There is no civilian job in bloody Russia and everyone goes to the Army
        3) The vicious suppressor of liberal freedoms of GDP is preparing to destroy free proebaltics or Ukraine.
        Well, or what kind of crap will come up)))
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A April 1 2016 08: 56
          +52
          Quote: Mitek
          And liberal dandruff will write that ...

          But the boys will serve, learn in the army all that the army is supposed to learn, and come to comb this dandruff ... am

          Twenty-five years I was waiting for such an attitude towards the army - I thought that I would not live. I saw - now you can die in peace. Only after 4 years I will send my grandson to serve - and the game was played successfully. He is already going - it means that I drove something right into him after all ... My daughter somehow vyaknul like "I won't let them go, they'll kill ..." - I poked to shut my mouth, otherwise it would be like Taras Bulba ... laughing
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z April 1 2016 09: 35
            +15
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            For twenty-five years I had been waiting for such an attitude towards the army - I thought that I would not live. I saw - now you can die peacefully.

            "And it's too early for us to die
            We still have things to do at home! "
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex April 2 2016 20: 07
              +4
              Until such idiots are discovered, there will be no order !!
              1. solkhat
                solkhat April 3 2016 09: 56
                +4
                It’s a pity to Dima. A man of the world without a Motherland is sad. And I am proud of our people, an officer who caused fire on themselves in Syria. Alas, we still have someone to protect the Motherland from, relatives and friends. Pofigism does not decorate a man now, but lowers it below the baseboard.
                1. emgebor
                  emgebor April 26 2016 21: 18
                  0
                  Of course it is sad. But such a point of view may be. The main thing is that in the vast majority another system of values ​​prevails, like you, like mine. And let Dima live calmly and further reflect.
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        3. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 April 1 2016 09: 10
          +23
          We must also remember about the "Committee of Mothers without giving birth", which successfully spoiled the blood of military commissars and military commanders of all ranks, starting from the end of the 80s, and especially unfolded with might and main in the dashing 90s with their hysterical cries about the notorious hazing and crimes committed in the army pouring not even tubs, but cisterns of dirt on the army.
          By the way, in Kazakhstan, too, there are no problems with conscription of young people for military service (and contract service too), since in our country, those who have not served are practically deprived of the opportunity in the future to go to the civil service (not to mention law enforcement agencies) or often just find a well-paid job. And therefore, the number of potential recruits exceeds the number of vacancies. Although there are certainly enough of those who at any cost are ready to "get out" from military service.
          And the liberals will yell in any case - either at the call of the heart (that is, out of "love of art", or for a fee - those who are smarter). They are the "conscience of the nation!"
          I have the honor.
          1. tovarich67
            tovarich67 April 2 2016 17: 16
            -4
            But what's the point by force to drive a person into the army? why not apply his skills more rationally. Listen to what Strelkov says about mobilized and volunteers. As they say, feel the difference.
        4. Proxima
          Proxima April 1 2016 12: 54
          +7
          Quote: Mitek

          And liberal dandruff will write that mothers ran out of money due to the crisis to excuse children from the Army.

          My friend's son was not taken into the army due to "lack of vacancies." They were very upset, because they had to recuperate at the institute again, and they made an appropriate haircut. On this occasion, she joked that at least bring a bribe to the military registration and enlistment office so that the SON IS TAKEN INTO THE ARMY.
          1. Northerner65
            Northerner65 April 1 2016 23: 19
            +4
            and in our military unit (in Kamchatka) a contractor from Moscow got a job. I ask ... what kind of wind skidded? and he ... a big competitive selection to serve on a contract, it’s easier for you to get settled here, and the pension is early. Something like this ... before everyone fled from us to Moscow ...
            1. SU69
              SU69 April 1 2016 23: 47
              -1
              Quote: Northerner65
              and in our military unit (in Kamchatka)

              Goodnight.
              How is Zavoyko doing?
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan April 1 2016 10: 18
        +6
        Quote: USSR 1971
        Will the times return when the girls didn’t walk with those who did not serve?

        Now the girls say what for love, come on.
        1. solkhat
          solkhat April 3 2016 10: 05
          +1
          I don’t agree. Our ordinary house is full of young families, the yard is noisy with children's voices. It makes me happy.
      3. SU69
        SU69 April 1 2016 11: 37
        +2
        Quote: USSR 1971
        Will the times return when the girls didn’t walk with those who did not serve?

        The author is cunning.
        The main role was played by the impossibility of entering the civil service without military service.
        Many young people want to become officials or police officers, since there, with a small load (incomparable with production), you can make good money.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 April 1 2016 12: 20
          +11
          Well, that’s good. The army directs the young guy's worldview in the right direction and allows him to better adapt in society. Including only those who have served in the civil service is a literate step. This ensures that as officials and public defenders spoiled by poverty and corruption from the 80s and 90s drop out of the civil service, they will be replaced by people with a different mindset. It is clear that their mentors will be precisely these generations, according to which the troubled times have trampled on, but all the same, the changes will be critical. And so the change of generations will reduce corruption and increase the patriotism of civil servants. And it all begins with service in the army and proper education before it. hi
          1. Volgobalt
            Volgobalt April 1 2016 17: 27
            +1
            And the state needs police service!
            1. SU69
              SU69 April 1 2016 23: 24
              0
              Quote: Volgobalt
              And the state needs police service!

              I would have heard it my grandfather-partisan.
              1. Dart
                Dart April 1 2016 23: 55
                +1
                Judging by all your comments, you are probably not at all pleased with the positive changes.
        2. oracul
          oracul April 2 2016 07: 34
          +1
          Do not make me laugh. The number of seats in the civil service, firstly, is not as large as it seems, secondly, there are practically no vacancies, thirdly, a large percentage of civil servants are women who compete with men very successfully due to their better education and organization, fourthly, officials hold onto their seats until retirement.
      4. Volgobalt
        Volgobalt April 1 2016 17: 21
        +1
        The fatherland is in danger, this call has never been an empty phrase for the Russians! When necessary, then the line of volunteers at the recruiting stations will appear!
      5. waitknait
        waitknait April 3 2016 08: 14
        +1
        It's a shame to hell, I did not serve in the army, because during the call I had health problems, and I worked at Oboronka (we had "armor" from the army there). So the expression is stupid, you can't just one size fits all!
        However, the fact that I did not serve does not prevent me from loving / being interested in almost everything related to "War" and Service.
      6. Blondy
        Blondy April 3 2016 10: 44
        0
        Still not in line (I will not talk about love for the homeland and other patriotisms here): a respected male profession is not a "sales manager" to prop up walls - all sorts of tank biathlon, army games, you can shoot a ball, in general, solid sports and getting in good physical shape. After demobilization, you will acquire army connections, and not with the courtyard punks (they can help and get a job, where they will not take them from the street, or vice versa, they will prompt you where you don’t need to meddle, etc., and this is not enough in life) And on contract: a normal salary, confidence in the future, some kind of insurance and treatment is free, If anything, now you can also fight: in six months, out of two three thousand, there are only six combat losses, compared, at least with Chechnya, a big difference ... And in everyday life you don't need to worry about Viagra.
    2. Ermak
      Ermak April 1 2016 05: 36
      +20
      Polite people have done their job and young people want to be polite.

      Thank you very much GDP! These are real results!
      1. Platonich
        Platonich April 1 2016 06: 30
        +4
        In fact, probably more Shoigu is to blame!
        1. Voyager
          Voyager April 1 2016 10: 28
          +1
          Shoigu and where?
          1. Blondy
            Blondy April 2 2016 17: 27
            -1
            Quote: Voyager
            Shoigu and where?

            Well, of course, the Minister of Obona has nothing to do with it, but Putin is to blame for everything.
            1. Voyager
              Voyager April 2 2016 22: 50
              0
              Doesn't it bother you that all the modern achievements of our army followed after the modernization of the same Serdyukov? Shoigu "arrived" not so long ago and the latest achievements in rearmament are not his merit.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt April 1 2016 08: 10
      +2
      In Ukraine, young people already understand that conscription is a massive raid to send to the ATO for meat. Therefore, hide who can! laughing
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  2. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 1 2016 05: 47
    +13
    He lived in Uzbekistan until 2003, in the temporary USSR that Uzbeks and Russian-speakers had an unspoken rule, during matchmaking, the bride's parents asked the groom if he served in the army? It was considered that if I was not in the army, it means that something is wrong with my health and my head, unfortunately at the moment of calling me into the army, 1993 was considered on the turnover (among Russian-speaking people), since I did not "excuse myself" it means I was not friends with my head (I belong to those who "are not were friends "and do not regret it at all)
    1. Stasweb
      Stasweb April 1 2016 14: 02
      +1
      Well, far from all Russian-speaking people reasoned like that. In my environment there were few. 1999-97 g.p.
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  3. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 April 1 2016 05: 51
    +11
    My nephew cunning at a physical examination by an optometrist to be recognized fit for service without restrictions. One of his eyes is normal, and the other is short-sighted, but shooting does not interfere. In my opinion, many guys now want to serve more due to the fact that when entering higher education institutions and subsequently to work, service in the Armed Forces gives real advantages (especially if anyone is thinking about the civil service).
  4. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 1 2016 05: 51
    +33
    And if you compare media reports about this state of affairs yesterday and today, the difference is enormous. The frightened yesterday's teenagers, dressed in some sort of castoffs and unsupported by a total lack of funding, and quite worthy soldiers of a worthy army, are already appearing on the screens. And not the army, as in the 90s, turned by those in power, excuse me, into a rabble, and actually thrown at the mercy of well-equipped and trained militants of international terrorist cells in the North Caucasus - without any support from the population.
    Author! Wrong phrase! No need to denigrate our army at that time. Personally, it is close to me. I myself served at that time. The soldiers were flint! I always remember my platoon and company. Repeatedly I met with individual soldiers after the service! If it weren’t for them, the Caucasus would have shamed and then. The current soldiers can envy their courage and endurance. A low bow to the guys who laid down their heads in the battles for Grozny.
    1. Volodin
      April 1 2016 06: 45
      +11
      Quote: astronom1973n
      No need to blacken our army at the time.

      Sergey, be a little more attentive - the author does not denigrate the army. This is not my rule. The article describes how our "valiant" media represented the army at that time on TV screens.
    2. Mangel olys
      Mangel olys April 1 2016 07: 22
      +2
      Yes, thirty years ago there was no shortage of draftees at assembly points. I remember how after the medical commission the boys went out and spoke with pride, in the landing, in the border guards, in the marines. Well, I was eager for aviation.
  5. Military Builder
    Military Builder April 1 2016 06: 15
    +1
    entered the military-building school in 1989, the construction battalion is certainly not airborne, there is little romance, but even so, the competition was 0,9. That was the army’s prestige
  6. parusnik
    parusnik April 1 2016 06: 16
    +1
    Well, god forbid ..
  7. Michael
    Michael April 1 2016 06: 19
    +1
    Our army is really cool now, though not without problems, so where they are not there is someone who will show!
  8. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 April 1 2016 06: 22
    +12
    The last few years I have been working in the draft committee. Indeed, many guys want to join the army and sincerely rejoice that they are fit for medical reasons. Today the spring appeal of 2016 begins, let's see how it goes. I want to give one example in confirmation of what was said: According to the results of the last fall draft of 2015, one draftee declared unfit for service wrote a statement to the prosecutor's office about his disagreement with the decision of the draft commission, which refused him a draft. Looking at many of the current recruits, my heart rejoices, but a lot, unfortunately, those who are not suitable for medical reasons, many lack weight, there are also signs of obesity, but much less. There are cases of returns recognized as fit - this is the result of a catastrophic shortage of doctors and heavy workload of those doctors who work in clinics and medical examinations. It is urgent to develop programs in the country to train doctors and fill vacant places.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan April 1 2016 07: 48
      +5
      Quote: Tartar 174
      The last few years I have been working in the draft committee. ...
      It is urgent to develop programs in the country to train doctors and fill vacant places.

      A huge number of doctors are being trained in the country.
      However, getting there honestly is incredibly difficult.
      A lot of comers from the republics of the Caucasus, where the highest percentage of stoballnikov.
      As you know, the most talented children live in the Caucasus. The rest are suckers.
      Among the highlanders, it was always welcomed if the woman had a medical specialty. This is a ticket married. Then such a doctor lives in the village and looks after the rams.
      By the way, the daughter-in-law of the oligarch Gutsiriev, who is famous for his wedding, is a dentist.
      Invite her to work at your draft board. Run with joy.))))
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 April 1 2016 07: 55
      +5
      Quote: Tatar 174
      but a lot, unfortunately, those who are not suitable for medical reasons, many do not have enough weight, there are signs of obesity too,

      Quote: Tatar 174
      It is urgent to develop programs in the country to train doctors and fill vacant places.

      In the country it is necessary to change the attitude of the state towards the physical preparation of the population! There are very few young people who engage in sports at the amateur level, primarily because it is expensive today .. the result is logical. But the health of the nation is also a strategic indicator!
      And then, of course, and the medical training program .. hi
      1. Dewa1s
        Dewa1s April 1 2016 12: 41
        +2
        Figs knows him, in our city the gyms are pretty well packed, and with a wide variety of contingents - from teenage girls to uncles with gray hair.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 April 2 2016 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: Dewa1s
          in our city the gyms are pretty well packed

          The number of halls that you personally visited, can you tell? And how many people are there? I doubt that you are aware of the situation in all rooms. And in any case, the facts of fulfilling the TRP norms are more indicative for me: only EVERY FIFTH is relatively confident in its hand, in the best cases - 1 out of 3. With us, when I handed over, every fifth could NOT HAVE DELIVERED - and that in separate disciplines.
          For the needs of the modern army, to put it mildly, it is rather weak.
      2. Northerner65
        Northerner65 April 1 2016 23: 25
        0
        TRP has already been introduced ... it remains to introduce NVP
    3. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 April 1 2016 14: 30
      +1
      The first meeting of the draft committee ended 15 minutes ago. There are not many who want to serve in the Airborne Forces and in the border troops, who do not want to serve. Many unfortunately with poor health, many do not have enough weight.
  9. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 1 2016 06: 24
    +14
    The media slightly changed their coverage of the military theme, and immediately a real result appeared.
    I was always struck by the limitless stupidity of the member of the PB CPSU Central Committee, Suslov and his propaganda apparatus, for decades they hid the participation of Soviet soldiers and officers in local wars abroad as something shameful, even when this participation was highly justified by the security interests of our country.
    From whom did these idiots hide the truth, from foreigners? No, they knew very well about the participation of the USSR in conflicts and did not hesitate to write about their "heroes" who were proud of beads made of human ears, fingers and the number of burned villages and bombed-out cities in Asia, Africa, Latin America. They hid the truth from the Soviet people.
    Why did not openly awarded our soldiers and officers who fought against the bandits and mercenaries of the United States in Korea, Vietnam, Angola, Afghanistan, etc.?
    We will remember all those who did not spare their lives,
    Who closed the world from nuclear strikes,
    Who extinguished with the blood of his heart
    The fire of local wars, like fires.

    The dead will not be humiliated by scoundrels,
    And they will not be dirty with dirty lies
    Remained forever their souls are pure,
    And the surviving joys do not know
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 1 2016 08: 24
      -6
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      When they came to the house of one of the peppers and asked Maman if the son would like to repay the debt to the Motherland, they received the answer that the candidate for "spirits" did not borrow anything from the Motherland. True, their homeland, I suspect, is different.
      There are many testimonies, including on "VO", when veterans of local conflicts, in particular Afghanistan and Chechnya, turned to the state for help and often heard the following phrase: "I did not send you there." So what is hello, so is the answer ..
      Quote: Corsair5912
      From whom did these idiots hide the truth, from foreigners? No, they knew very well about the participation of the USSR in conflicts and did not hesitate to write about their "heroes" who were proud of beads made of human ears, fingers and the number of burned villages and bombed-out cities in Asia, Africa, Latin America. They hid the truth from the Soviet people.
      Why did not openly awarded our soldiers and officers who fought against the bandits and mercenaries of the United States in Korea, Vietnam, Angola, Afghanistan, etc.?
      "These idiots" are now doing the same thing and most of the topvar's users support them in this with obvious pleasure.
      "Ikhtamnet" .. laughing
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 1 2016 12: 44
        +5
        My friend, you’re a liar, Putin said that THERE ARE NO OUR TROOPS, and he told the truth, it was not a question of individual soldiers from the very beginning.
      2. Stasweb
        Stasweb April 1 2016 14: 08
        +2
        How much nonce opium for the people?
      3. Stasweb
        Stasweb April 1 2016 14: 08
        0
        How much nonce opium for the people?
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 1 2016 06: 37
    +4
    The prestige of the Russian army increased.

    It really is. But the service life is 1 year, a sparing option. I didn’t manage to get used to it and get used to it, now I need to get ready for DMB! Serve you guys honestly and in good faith!
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 1 2016 06: 50
    +2
    It will be very good if the desire to serve in the army will bypass the popularity of youth's interest in working in the police.
  12. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan April 1 2016 07: 37
    +11
    The article is too optimistic.
    Of the three cases of call known to me, three sloped.
    When they came to the house of one of the peppers and asked Maman if the son would like to repay the debt to the Motherland, they received the answer that the candidate for "spirits" did not borrow anything from the Motherland. True, their homeland, I suspect, is different.
    First, the child in the family is usually alone, it is very expensive (as was recently noted), in the absence of assistance from the state. Not even kindergartens.
    Hazing issues have been raised at VO repeatedly. She did not get anywhere.
    At one time, they did not even take a warrior from Dagestan.
    So the author embellishes reality. If you do not apply stronger expressions.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 April 1 2016 08: 01
      +5
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      the author embellishes reality. If you do not apply stronger expressions.

      Rather, the author is trying to correct what the domestic media have been doing for many years, "hanging all the dogs" on the army.
      And imagine, WHO was going to serve under such conditions? The quality of the officers in the 90s decreased significantly ..
      This, of course, is not the main reason for the existence of problems, but is one of .. hi
    2. Nicola Bari
      Nicola Bari April 1 2016 08: 37
      +5
      They are fighting against bullying in the army, and the officers are no longer as loyal to this phenomenon as before. There are always people who do not want and are not able to work in the army collective and the collective is not always able to teach them this, incl. and those who should do it professionally. A significant role was played by the fact that the "political officers" were removed from the mouths in due time, which, however, was corrected.
    3. Glaaki
      Glaaki April 1 2016 11: 15
      +2
      In vain you wrote this, now you are forever in the so-called. "liberal dandruff" will be recorded.
      It is said that "We have a cool mustache, there are no didavschina and niustaph attire!", Which means that it is so. True, this chocolate-sugar picture is slightly spoiled by some cases, for example, the same case in military unit 16544 in Chechnya ... But this, without any doubt, is the trick of the damned liberals from the fifth column, it cannot be otherwise.
  13. Kenneth
    Kenneth April 1 2016 08: 33
    0
    Judging by the reviews from the field, hazing has become much less. And this is the most important thing. I had the opportunity to watch in the early 90s. An army consisting of humiliating and humiliated is poorly capable, than do not arm it.
  14. Idiot
    Idiot April 1 2016 08: 36
    -9
    It is necessary to return the service life of 2 years and the Navy - 3 years, otherwise intelligent specialists cannot be trained. I believe that in this case, the issue of conscription can be solved very simply - pay conscripts as contract soldiers, give them the opportunity to enter any university without exams, and most importantly, a person who has not served in the army should not have the right to hold a position in a state structure. None. And "hazing" is in any army, it is not exterminated in a team, where authority is due to the length of service and the experience gained during this period. Another thing is the position of an officer, whose main task is to prevent lawlessness, one might say that the officer should lead the process of educating the young replenishment, while relying on the old servicemen. Often the officers and warrant officers spent the night in the barracks, and at the "point", outside the unit, we generally lived with them for months in the same trailer - if you like it or not, you will get closer, and the commanders were 10-15 years older, for a man not age. I served a quarter of a century ago in the Soviet army. We had hazing in our unit and I didn't see anything wrong with that. Nobody insulted me, did not humiliate me, the "grandfathers" went with us in outfits and also served. Of course, they had some privileges, but we all knew that the time would come and we were guaranteed to take their place. Also, I can tell you, strong motivation.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth April 1 2016 09: 03
      +9
      I wonder what is the point of admitting people to universities without exams. A university is a place for training specialists, where the most trained people who are able to get a specialty should go. It is better if the state organizes free preparatory courses for those who have served. And bullying is this disgust for both the humiliated and the holder of privileges, which often degenerates into full livestock. The service life cannot be different in different branches of the army, because it is unfair. And paying the conscripts as contract soldiers is outright stupid, because paying the conscripts means their free consent to carry out any tasks, including life-threatening ones, while the conscript is called up for the preparation of state resources and can be used in military operations in non-war time. last resort.
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    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 1 2016 21: 05
      +2
      Quote: pft, fkb
      It should return the service life of 2 years and the Navy - 3 years

      What's the point? The draft army is created so that there are people in the country who have skills that can be used in case of something. But this is possible only when there is the possibility of calling to arm them. First of all, recruits should be taught how to use a machine gun, grenade launcher, MANPADS, machine gun ... In short, hand weapons that are easy to produce in large quantities. But tankers and gunners - this is the limit at which it makes sense to prepare a mobilization reserve.
      Why do we need a conscript, if all the ships are constantly equipped with a crew, and for the time when a new ship is being built, you can safely train a new one? What is the use of conscripts in the Strategic Missile Forces?
  15. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 1 2016 08: 47
    +2
    No wonder.
    The state turned to face the military, improving their content and conditions of service. Therefore, young people rushed into the army. And not only boys, but also girls.
  16. ando_bor
    ando_bor April 1 2016 09: 09
    0
    This is a real problem, there is a selection for military service, they don’t call everyone, they call a certain amount, about a third of the military contingent, maybe a little more in the demographic pit, but there’s no selection system, or rather, there’s no holy place, but it’s almost completely criminal , and if you used to pay doctors and military commissars for a slope, now you’re more and more often calling for a call, I’ve come across - all the places in this call are occupied - come to the next but arrange for a certain amount, for a large one in a good part.
  17. droideck
    droideck April 1 2016 09: 22
    0
    Quote: Kenneth
    The service life cannot be different in different branches of the army, because it is unfair
    By the way! Why does a border guard and a builder need to be taught the same time - is it worse to teach a border guard or better than a builder?
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth April 1 2016 09: 53
      +1
      OK. Let’s do this - the draftee passed the exam in his specialty - maybe he can go home. Conscription is a constitutional obligation, and the constitution implies equality before the law. Now, if the draftee is given the right to choose how much to serve then - yes.
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  18. black
    black April 1 2016 09: 39
    -1
    Many of today's parents, whom moms from the army otmazyvayut, are now looking for ways to the army. For your children. Because, this is the way to the civil service. In general, nothing changes. In families where grandfathers and fathers served, sons and grandchildren go to serve. And where dad did not serve because of the weakness of the anus - everything is sooooo complicated.
  19. Glagol1
    Glagol1 April 1 2016 10: 17
    +1
    That's right, word of mouth is not custom dirt on the BBC,
    People can’t be fooled. But there is no resort in the army, just
    To understand everything correctly.
  20. runway
    runway April 1 2016 10: 23
    +2
    Something will change with the draft in the armed forces when the children of oligarchs and senior officials line up at the draft commissions. But so far this has not been observed.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 1 2016 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: piston
      Something will change with the draft in the armed forces when the children of oligarchs and senior officials line up at the draft commissions. But so far this has not been observed.

      Do not line up. This category of people is not on the agenda, military tickets will be brought, with a mark on the passage of the service, everything is as usual.
  21. Al1977
    Al1977 April 1 2016 10: 27
    +1
    Those who wish to serve in the army today are about 30 thousand, more than planned to call. The total "spring" draft plan - 155 thousand people.

    Fine. Then we must not take into the army after graduation. Serve must be allowed to those who want. who wants to engage in science - must do his job.
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    2. bk316
      bk316 April 1 2016 11: 46
      +4
      Quote: Al1977
      who wants to engage in science - must do his job.

      Definitely. And what percentage after graduation is engaged in science, and what percentage forms office plankton? Tell me please.

      So "not to take to the army after graduation" is not about science.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 April 1 2016 12: 57
        +1
        Quote: bk316
        Definitely. And what percentage after graduation is engaged in science, and what percentage forms office plankton? Tell me please.

        So "not to take to the army after graduation" is not about science.

        Firstly, you can work in the specialty in the office. Secondly, tell me why they don’t go to science, because of that. that they pay a penny. And you can apply your knowledge in commerce. Or do you have something against commerce.
        And the counter question, but after the army or after college go more to science? Tell me please.
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 2 2016 18: 25
          +2
          In the office you can work in the specialty of office plankton, I know several of these specialties
          1. Office work (in simple secrets)
          2. Maintenance of computer and office equipment (simple anikeyshchiki)
          3. Commerce (for simple buyers)
          4. Management (middle managers)

          In a certain amount, they certainly are all needed. ONLY WHERE HERE THE SCIENCE about which you write, again distort or don’t understand the difference between science and a piece of paper about higher education?

          Not after the army or Institute and after the army и Institute, yes I think more. For example me.

          But actually, your slope arguments are untenable initially. A solution has long been found called the target set. Does the state need nuclear physicists, aircraft designers, cryptographers? A contract is concluded with a university and an applicant, training is not just free, but they pay salaries. At the end of working at home, the service here is superfluous.
          There will be a need for secrets there will be a set of secrets.

          And they go to science. You just don’t understand, in order to understand this, you need to practice science at least 15 years.
          1. To be a real scientist in general, few are given and you can kill 20 years of life and understand that this is not yours. Therefore the first risk.
          2. Science is huge work. Here young people come to work, so the bottom does not want to work what money.
          3. A true scientist has money in a drum, in this community different value system others measure the success.
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 2 2016 18: 25
          +2
          In the office you can work in the specialty of office plankton, I know several of these specialties
          1. Office work (in simple secrets)
          2. Maintenance of computer and office equipment (simple anikeyshchiki)
          3. Commerce (for simple buyers)
          4. Management (middle managers)

          In a certain amount, they certainly are all needed. ONLY WHERE HERE THE SCIENCE about which you write, again distort or don’t understand the difference between science and a piece of paper about higher education?

          Not after the army or Institute and after the army и Institute, yes I think more. For example me.

          But actually, your slope arguments are untenable initially. A solution has long been found called the target set. Does the state need nuclear physicists, aircraft designers, cryptographers? A contract is concluded with a university and an applicant, training is not just free, but they pay salaries. At the end of working at home, the service here is superfluous.
          There will be a need for secrets there will be a set of secrets.

          And they go to science. You just don’t understand, in order to understand this, you need to practice science at least 15 years.
          1. To be a real scientist in general, few are given and you can kill 20 years of life and understand that this is not yours. Therefore the first risk.
          2. Science is huge work. Here young people come to work, so they don’t want to work for any money.
          3. A true scientist has money in a drum, in this community different value system others measure the success.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 1 2016 10: 43
    0
    And smart girls with a "spinal cord" should understand the difference between a guy who held a weapon in his hands, passed through a march - throws and exercises, and an amoeba "from under mother's skirt." What they successfully demonstrate. And we don't need stupid ones.
  23. el-nino
    el-nino April 1 2016 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: piston
    Something will change with the draft in the armed forces when the children of oligarchs and senior officials line up at the draft commissions. But so far this has not been observed.

    Ha ha))) We will take over dill experience
    brigade belay General Staff wassat
  24. pavelty
    pavelty April 1 2016 11: 15
    0
    I watched it today on TV: buffet, army travel bags (16 items), quiet hour in the afternoon - just beauty, a pioneer camp, I wanted to go back))
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 1 2016 11: 57
      +3
      Quote: pavlentiy
      I watched it today on TV: buffet, army travel bags (16 items), quiet hour in the afternoon - just beauty, a pioneer camp, I wanted to go back))

      What is shown on TV is not a 100% guarantee of ubiquity.
      I remember that on TV they show dry rations issued on the way to conscripts: stew, porridge, jam, etc.
      I’m on the train, in the car, conscripts from St. Petersburg to Elani, good, calm guys. Periodically they go for a dry rations — all day the guys brewed only Rolton. That's the difference.
      And it is necessary that they feed normally.
    2. SU69
      SU69 April 1 2016 12: 13
      0
      Quote: pavlentiy
      I watched it today on TV: buffet, army travel bags (16 items), quiet hour in the afternoon - just beauty, a pioneer camp, I wanted to go back))

      Have you seen an autonomous field camp?
      Just beauty. Better pioneer.
      Even a USB port in every bunk.
      1. bertgolz
        bertgolz April 1 2016 17: 12
        -1
        soon will be like striped - without toilet paper they won’t attack
    3. would
      would April 2 2016 20: 32
      0
      In part, it is easily so and maybe, I do not argue, and I am aware of such cases. But what should be understood is that the shooting period for such a plot is maximum one day, and the duration of the part is incommensurably longer. And it can easily happen that the "clearing will be covered" specifically for the TV plot / commission, and the next day it will disappear abruptly. I heard about such cases.
  25. Bort radist
    Bort radist April 1 2016 11: 22
    0
    We created normal conditions and everything fell into place. It is the same with the economy - to create favorable conditions for development and not to interfere.
  26. 1rl141
    1rl141 April 1 2016 11: 26
    0
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    He lived in Uzbekistan until 2003, in the temporary USSR that Uzbeks and Russian-speakers had an unspoken rule, during matchmaking, the bride's parents asked the groom if he served in the army? It was considered that if I was not in the army, it means that something is wrong with my health and my head, unfortunately at the moment of calling me into the army, 1993 was considered on the turnover (among Russian-speaking people), since I did not "excuse myself" it means I was not friends with my head (I belong to those who "are not were friends "and do not regret it at all)


    In Soviet times, this was the case. Especially among the representatives of Asia. As Uzbek-Tajiks-Azerbaijanis said, they will not be allowed to marry if they did not serve in the army.
    We had a case. With another appeal, an Uzbek gets to us. Dressed, like everyone else, on the course of a young soldier, like everyone else and such a thing is noticed behind him, after eating 15-20 minutes later he makes his pants. It turns out that he has the incontinence of this whole thing. After eating, he urgently needs to sit on the pot and wait. Can you imagine such a fighter? Moreover, he could be guessed completely by accident, for reasons beyond his control: whether he had most of his intestines, or something else, in general, to his medical unit, then to the hospital and after 2 weeks he was commissary.
    But he achieved what he wanted. Was he in the army? Was! Home back in shape? In the shape of! Everything, offset.
    When we asked him how he got into the army, he admitted that he paid in the military enlistment office!
  27. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 April 1 2016 12: 00
    +1
    Quote: avvg
    Polite people have done their job and young people want to be polite.

    Not only this or not so much. I think it's simple
    Quote: Bort Radist
    We created normal conditions and everything fell into place. It is the same with the economy - to create favorable conditions for development and not to interfere.

    And most importantly
    Quote: Kenneth
    Judging by the reviews from the field, hazing has become much less. And this is the most important thing. I had the opportunity to watch in the early 90s. An army consisting of humiliating and humiliated is poorly capable, than do not arm it.

    All the same, they managed to cut off the vicious circle of hazing that they could not defeat for decades, and then they made a simple elegant decision to reduce the service life and that’s all! And if a military specialty requires long training, then it makes no sense to train a specialist for one or even two or three years. It is much more reasonable to keep such specialists for a long time on a contract basis.
  28. bk316
    bk316 April 1 2016 12: 08
    +3
    Due to the fact that I have a son of draft age and friends, I also basically have my own small statistics. Here is what I will say:
    1. The total slope percentage fell sharply.
    2. The guys appeared (I thought there wouldn’t be any more) consciously from the institute’s bench going to the army.
    3. The competition for military departments rose beyond the bounds, for example, at the Moscow Aviation Institute they are torn hard, but everything is crammed with targets.
    4. In the leading universities of the department began to work better, cool that they began to require physical training upon admission.

    5. Stratification occurred: children of hamsters, at the insistence of their parents, began to mow hard until leaving the country, children of normal citizens, on the contrary, do not want to mow. Since the percentage of hamsters in Russia is small, the call has gone.
    1. yastr
      yastr April 1 2016 14: 33
      0
      There is another category. In view of the fact that very often all documents are kept on our knees, there are enough cases when they do not send subpoenas or lose business. I know a large number of people whom no one tried to take anywhere, although they would not have avoided.
      1. would
        would April 2 2016 20: 27
        0
        I know a large number of people whom no one tried to take anywhere,


        So this is not necessarily a consequence of the loss of documents or some other mess. In our country, absolutely officially, the call does not allow us to call on everyone, the replacement of conscripts by contract soldiers is absolutely official. For many, simply no place is found, and they are not being called upon.
  29. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 1 2016 12: 29
    +1
    The article is good. Military training is of utmost importance to the state. Young people need to be trained, and, unfortunately, the likelihood that training will have to be used in practice also exists.
    I was confused by the information in the media that it is necessary to review the issues of validity, in connection with the presence of complaints. I don’t like it. Schedule of diseases, the document is quite strict. And it is impossible to toughen it up; just ruin the health of those who have a chance to live a normal life under certain conditions.
    But that’s what I thought. The military specialty should be taught to young people, especially techies.
    We need to think about how to organize the training of the military specialty of those who have a restriction c),
    - these are those who will be called up in case of martial law, and these are mostly bright heads, they must undergo training, know the weapons, be able to use weapons and control them, the physical load during training should be, but normalized by doctors.
    I understand that the reaction to the commentary will be primarily skeptical, but human reserves are replenished slowly, and our huge country - it needs to be protected from all sides and military experts should be enough at any time.
  30. Izotovp
    Izotovp April 1 2016 12: 42
    0
    This article has an interesting fact - the number of young people who did not come to serve in the army, although they want to. Just a bust. How to be like that? After all, he will not be able to enter the civil service through no fault of his own! And this is one side. Second: even if they did not get into the ranks of the Armed Forces, do we have a qualified reserve? Why not send them to the nearest school to prepare the reserve without interruption from study or work?
  31. a housewife
    a housewife April 1 2016 13: 24
    +3
    I have only two examples. One of her husband’s relatives is a contractor, his son graduated from college (programmer), he worked in the army for a year, the commander persuaded him to stay, the guy decided that he should continue to study in the specialty. Now the second course is finishing. My girlfriend’s nephew graduates from college (there is something design), wants to join the army, because of this scandal with his parents, they take him into the army. But there is a problem - they do not let me finish my studies for 2 months. I went to the draft board, wrote a statement about a delay of six months. It is still unknown whether they will. Well, can’t you meet me?
  32. Proxima
    Proxima April 1 2016 13: 25
    0
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    We must also remember about the "Committee of nulliparous mothers"

    By the way, no one wondered why there are even a dime a dozen committees of soldiers 'mothers, but there is not a single committee of soldiers' fathers? Whether or not to exclude a child from the army is primarily a choice of parents. In the last 5 years, there has been a "shift" in the minds of parents. This primarily concerns the consciousness of mothers.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 April 1 2016 14: 28
      +4
      Let's not be ironic about the mothers committee.
      Unfortunately, medicine is not up to par with us and the assessment of children's health follows the same pattern as determining the quality of Turkish products. Only here a person dies. And data on health problems also accumulate in medical documents, but unlike products, they often disappear before postscript.
      I remember a guy, a good guy, a little funny, they called up a funeral army, a couple of weeks later. In training at the stadium, the heart stopped. The mother has one son, an unsuccessful marriage, left alone. Over the course of 3 decades I periodically meet his mother — she got old, only the pain in her eyes remains unchanged, it is impossible to look into her eyes. Are you still funny?
      I am talking with a young mother, son 5 years old, asthma. Did his doctor even tell her mother that she needed to be cut off from the army? So, now and not to treat the baby so that there are no unnecessary entries in the card?
      Yes, there are many sick children now, because for most families with children it is very difficult financially, pregnant women have stresses and poor nutrition. And we must blame women for irresponsibility - now, and so not everyone dares to give birth to children - there are no social guarantees, but those that need to be defended.
      1. tovarich67
        tovarich67 April 2 2016 17: 28
        -5
        conscription is legalized slavery. the army must be professional. and there must be PMCs and other Wild Geese ... there is a saying ... you can bring a horse to a watering place but you can’t get her to drink. what's the use of a guy if he DOES NOT WANT to serve? to kill him? to beat (to force him to love his homeland more? But he still doesn’t want to. plant him? Well, the country will get another felon. and someone else is eager for a contract. Conscription army is an anachronism of the beginning of the middle of the 20th century. And those who advocate such an army understand what century they live in. and what modern warfare is
  33. bubalik
    bubalik April 1 2016 13: 26
    0
    Someone may be surprised, but many modern young people are very active in following the news regarding the conscription service, and indeed the state of affairs in the Russian army.


    ... the state plays a very important role, the films "Officers", "In the zone of special attention", "Return move", "Listen in the compartments" ,,,
    ,,, over the past 26 years there are no such films (except We are from the Future) ,,
  34. Djozz
    Djozz April 1 2016 14: 00
    +1
    The son served in the Presidential regiment, the concept of hazing is completely absent there! By the way, after serving in the PP, the guys without the Higher arr. have the opportunity to receive a recommendation for admission to the Moscow State University on the budget (at a discount). The son graduated from the Polytechnic University before the army, now he works in a prestigious position at the Eaglet VDC
  35. Naum
    Naum April 1 2016 15: 40
    -1
    The situation with the Russian (Soviet) Army is developing according to the principle of the pendulum: Maximum point - recession - lower point - rise -... Remember - max. rise after the Civil War, then repression and recession - the Stalinist rise until the beginning of the 50s, then the Khrushchev recession-Brezhnev rise - the Eltsin recession - Putin's rise ... Continuous cycles. The most difficult thing is to stay at the highest point. For this, it is necessary to constantly improve and rejuvenate both by age and by organizing the country's defense capabilities, the development of military science and practice. Do not touch.
  36. Torins
    Torins April 1 2016 16: 20
    +1
    Quote: Kenneth
    Judging by the reviews from the field, hazing has become much less. And this is the most important thing. I had the opportunity to watch in the early 90s. An army consisting of humiliating and humiliated is poorly capable, than do not arm it.

    depending on what kind of hazing, sometimes without it it is simply impossible to accustom a person to order and responsibility for their actions and deeds, there are peppers that, due to their excessive brave strength and weak mind, simply bring their own call to their knees, if not for "hazing" which quickly drives them into their heads the foundations of respect for the collective, then a combat-ready army would not exist for a long time. This is especially true when one unit gets with one call of "land".
    So there is no need to generalize about hazing, it happens different, and harmful and very necessary hi
    1. would
      would April 2 2016 20: 29
      0
      , sometimes without it, it’s simply impossible to accustom a person to order and responsibility for his actions and deeds


      Guardhouse? Disbat? There are absolutely statutory ways to put them in their place and remove them from the team if they are completely frostbitten.
  37. rudesant
    rudesant April 1 2016 16: 27
    +1
    I understand why this happens. Himself 11th year of conscription. The service was really interesting. And I think that everyone should know their place in this large and complex military machine.
  38. akm8226
    akm8226 April 1 2016 19: 54
    0
    I thought - I won’t live! I won’t live up to the moment when the farewell to the army will be celebrated as in the USSR — the whole night!
  39. Sergei 68
    Sergei 68 April 1 2016 20: 16
    +2
    I probably live in some kind of parallel reality. My son’s height is 180, and his weight is 50, since he was a gastro-chef, how much effort and money has been spent, there’s no sense. And in the military enlistment office - he’s fit without restrictions, here’s the summons for July 1 and I don’t care if you have a diploma defense on June 30 -I July 2 is still not known exactly. By the way, he trampled his 730 honestly, senior sergeant, more than 20 thanks, was entered in the book of honor of the part
  40. friend of animals
    friend of animals April 1 2016 20: 31
    0
    For a man with HE, the army is a waste of time. Let the Caucasus serve, the youth there anyway kicks the bastard.
  41. gendir.grifon
    gendir.grifon April 1 2016 20: 42
    0
    It is necessary to increase the period of military service by conscription by 2 years, in the Navy 2,5 years. Who can be prepared in 1 year? Yesterday's schoolchildren, only towards the end of this one year, begin to feel like a military man and have learned something, but he is already being demobilized. Enough to focus in this regard on the opinions of various councils (committees) of soldier mothers and other "human rights defenders", which are "blindly" used by the enemies of Russia. It is necessary to restore order and discipline in the army so that no one is tempted to humiliate a soldier of any level. It is necessary to create a system of military-patriotic education of children, choosing the best of the education system of ancient Sparta "Agoge" and the education system of the USSR. Among children and young people it is necessary to cultivate a healthy lifestyle, love in the homeland, kindness, self-sacrifice and other positive qualities. It is necessary for boys and teenagers to create a network of military-patriotic camps with enhanced military, physical and humanitarian training.
    1. Lex
      Lex April 2 2016 00: 13
      +5
      Sorry, but nonsense. If the specialty is complex (there are most of them in the same fleet), then the learning process is endless, which means that contract soldiers are needed. Can a conscript do the work of a specialist engineer? No.
      Emergency service allows you to develop teamwork skills and an obedience reflex, which is exactly what is necessary in the case of military operations, without exception, because 10 years after the army you are no longer an expert, the question of technical training is from a completely different field.
  42. Massik
    Massik April 1 2016 21: 02
    +2
    Why not a year old?
    Especially in the army now even money is paid to conscripts less normal. Not like before for 2 packs of cigarettes.
    Personally, my opinion from everyday visiting the barracks, the soldier turns into a gouging. He will be able to fight only if everyone provides him. He himself will not be able to give birth to the living conditions himself, as before. Not accustomed to the elementary order.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 1 2016 22: 20
      +2
      I do not agree. My youngest son in the 2000-2002 years served in the Caucasus in artillery. Called after expulsion from the institute, like a gouging. He was demobilized as an excellent soldier with gratitude of the command for the highest professionalism, as a high-class artillery reconnaissance.
      And his classmates dubotelki and ras.izdyay also returned excellent soldiers, although they did not participate in the database.
      1. Massik
        Massik April 2 2016 12: 26
        -1
        Quote: Corsair5912
        In 2000-2002, my youngest son served in the Caucasus in artillery.
        What was the duration of the appeal? Year?
    2. Naum
      Naum April 2 2016 22: 22
      0
      The service of any conscript must begin with a month in the dizbat. "The course of a young razzling". So I didn't want to come back here anymore. Just kidding. But seriously, a real fighter turns out only after three years of service. These are not my conclusions - professionals. Year of mandatory d.b. for all! The other two are under contract with good conditions and prospects. Whoever can, but does not want to serve, let him pay the state the amount that is enough for the annual maintenance of a contract soldier. Or sitting in the zone. All those pots in hospices are nonsense. They do not strengthen the country's defense capability.
  43. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 1 2016 22: 11
    +1
    The country needs the truth about the situation in the world and the true purpose of the army, and not the idiotic cries of the profane about bullying and the heavy share of conscripts.
    A real man can always protect himself from "grandfathers" if he does not have criminal complexes, prejudices and is not afraid to speak the truth openly.
    In my youth, in the 60 years, hazing served to educate conscripts in discipline and resistance to the difficulties that the army lacks. It’s not so easy to make real soldiers out of sissies. Grandfathers were not parasites and sadists, but older comrades.
    The decomposition of the army and the appearance of criminality there began in the Gorbachev era of the revival of capitalism and permission to call criminals with criminal records.
  44. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist April 2 2016 00: 19
    0
    Quote: SU69
    Quote: Volgobalt
    And the state needs police service!

    I would have heard it my grandfather-partisan.


    Well, your grandfather may have partisans, by the way they were different partisans, but you’d better tell us about your heroic deeds for the good of your homeland, otherwise the police will turn out to be completely bastards.

    I, a retired police major, during my service have earned a badge of the Ministry of Internal Affairs "Participant in military operations", a medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree, a gunshot wound in the thigh. Let's listen to you. And it's better to exchange addresses, maybe we'll meet, I will, ko..lina pop-eyed, e..alo I will hurt you.
    1. Dart
      Dart April 2 2016 00: 28
      0
      Maybe not in such terms, but in general I support. And yet ... NVP should be introduced in schools.
      And also to "comrade" SU69, albeit not in a personal: my classmate retired last year, the military commissar. So he says: money, but money is brought to go to serve ... and for a year already. And you say, eyewash ...
  45. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist April 2 2016 00: 50
    -2
    SU69 I thought that you were all a heroic man, the grandson of a partisan grandfather, you would throw off the address in a personal address, but what did you send? "Rudeness and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are synonyms" laughing .... Do you see what's the matter? The fact is that pede..astov, I always call pede ... astami, and not the tolerant and liberal words "g her" or "LGBT". For the words my friend, you have to answer.

    P.S. And answering your question, I did not serve in the riot police. What did OMON annoy you with? Did your glasses break, or did you imagine yourself an awesome intellectual?
  46. D. Dan
    D. Dan April 2 2016 01: 29
    -1
    I will personally say that in the description of the army of the early 90s, the author is right. And there was a famine, and the uniform of the 40s, and fierce hazing, and the cold in the barracks - all this I went through. Air Defense Forces, North ...
    About the service life. Normal is a period of one year. For most specialties, half a year of training, half a year of practice. I myself remember the second year: the next six months, you stupidly pull the strap, and the last six months, the wild desire of demobilization.
    And the fact that the guys go to serve is great. After all, I also did not believe that I was SO SUCH. I say to my son, serve, they say, come ...
  47. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist April 2 2016 02: 06
    +1
    Citizens SU69, offered to apologize for various words addressed to him, invited him, in turn, to apologize for the picture he posted. He refuses, arguing that he has a negative attitude to the renaming of the police in "policemen". And he has a very negative attitude towards riot police.
    A couple of days ago in Dagestan, a car with Krasnoyarsk riot policemen was blown up, two of the wounded were killed. The barmales from Syria took responsibility.
    SU69, print this bigger picture and go to the employee's funeral, tell his family that their son, husband and probably father, was a bastard and a policeman, "hanged" your grandfather, a partisan. You may leave alive, but hardly whole.
    You probably applauded the barmaley for the elimination of the "policeman"?

    Image posted SU69
  48. malgos
    malgos April 2 2016 15: 08
    0
    Such an attitude to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation only pleases!
  49. tovarich67
    tovarich67 April 2 2016 17: 19
    -1
    there is such a PROFESSION to defend the Motherland. with this phrase everything is said. Profession. and not slaves from under the mother’s skirt. The army should be professional without options. PMCs are needed. such structures where a person is motivated to serve rather than under duress. and under duress, this is not an army but a prison. And those who praise the draft army simply do not understand anything in modern warfare
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 2 2016 18: 32
      +4
      There must be a professional (contract) army.
      There must be a mobilization reserve and for this call.
      There should be troops for special operations that are not directly state armed forces (PMCs)

      It’s like a nuclear triad, who does not understand this is simply not in the subject.
      Our management understands this.
  50. Bor
    Bor April 2 2016 19: 20
    0
    Suddenly I "came across" this article here. How nice it is to read this and realize that this is not a panegyric, but really everything is so!