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“Moscow is the Third Rome” - is it utopia or is it our only way?

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“Moscow is the Third Rome” - is it utopia or is it our only way?The most significant task for today is the creation of a new ideology of Russia. Relatively calm times end in the entire post-Soviet space. The political tsunami threatens to cover the split Russian world. Only the ideology of organic unity can save us.

So after all, everything has been said. Collectives of specialists have created works on the construction of a completely decent future for Russia. Here is the capital “Russian doctrine” - in it, from my point of view, almost everything is correct, but the six-volume “National Idea of ​​Russia”, a hundred of talented scientists and mere mortals seemed to be working on it and should not object to science. But the work of the Center S.E. Kurginyan-they are building their political building, but again they are trying to build a society without God ...

A.P. Nevyatov and his colleagues successfully create the world of the ideas of “Non-politics”, based on the ideas of Chinese philosophy and much more.

Overactive N.V. Starikov and his associates quickly and successfully build the subject of strategic action, developing their ideology. "Bless all luck!"

And how many sensible ideas have the supporters of the “Concept of Public Security” given out to the surface! But I personally am not very interested in everything that is being built without the main thing, without Orthodoxy.

The ideologist of “Eurasianism”, philosopher, psychologist and political scientist A.G. Dugin fills many gaps in his work in building a new world view of Russia, because he analyzes the archetypes of the Russian people and calls for building a new ideology of our nation based on its agreement with the unconscious component of the Russian-Russian world.

Of course, S.Yu. Glazyev, S.S.Gubanov, V.Yu.Katasonov can tell us about a completely adequate economic and financial future for Russia, but we all remember that during Soviet times the country's economic power was much greater than today but everything collapsed. The author is convinced that the correct economic and financial policy of the state is a direct consequence of its ideology based on Orthodoxy.

I carefully read all of the above and much more, but this not only did not soothe, but, on the contrary, caused an ever-growing alarm. In my opinion, the most important thing is not said, because many intelligent ideas are not organically combined, they do not beat at one point, they cannot capture the deep consciousness of the people, because they are not able to unite the physical and spiritual world with a full measure. The authors of most well-known concepts of the future of Russia, in spite of their optimism, essentially assert that today a creative impulse to the future is impossible, because all of them, explicitly or implicitly, build an ideological building on the priority of material, economic and financial values. And this is the way to break the ties between people and God and, therefore, this is the path to nowhere. If anyone speaks about the priority of spiritual values, then there is no story about the “technologies” of achieving the goals set.

And, for example, D. Salikhov’s “Russian National Idea” looks like a quite fair “project task” for the near future, but it remains unclear how to turn it into a “Common Cause”.

Meanwhile, there are many signs that the matrix of the Russian-Russian civilization is quite successfully destroyed today. There is a recoding not only of consciousness, but also of the unconscious world of our children.

There is a war of meanings. Who will win it? This is a big question. Today we lose in it ...

However, there is an opinion that maybe the ideology of the country should not be created - it will be born in the depths of the people? You can certainly hope for such a version of events, but, as you know, “the enemy does not sleep,” but quite successfully undermines the foundation of our civilization, it literally reprograms the people. In our time, schoolchildren of Podolsk and Boston painted similar pictures on similar topics - it was absolutely impossible until recently, because the children of Russia and the United States belonged to different worlds ...

So what is the main problem of modern Russia? What questions should be answered first of all by the specialists working on the creation of our new outlook? ..

We agree that the main problems of modern Russia are that only public repentance will clear the way to the future, but it is impossible today for many reasons. But if the rational programs of the “Common Affairs” begin their work, then in our country there will naturally arise “force fields” capable of uniting people for adequate action. After all, always an organic association of people begins with the performance of common creative work. I am convinced that it is the concrete, meaningful for all, “Common cause” of Russia that will help throw off the ridiculous obsession that our people are immersed in today.

Reflecting on modern projects of arrangement of Russia, I suddenly remembered N.V. Gogol. While reading the surviving passages of the second part of Dead Souls, one can understand that he tried to make a successful entrepreneur, Conjeglo, a hero who paved the way to the future. Chichikov admired them endlessly. In his farm: "Every pig looks like a master" and "Every rubbish gives income." And N.Gogol tried to create the image of a wonderful (ideal) governor - a true patriot of Russia.

It was then that it dawned on me that today's ideal of the active majority of our citizens is the provision of opportunities and powers for “Constanzheglo”, which the administrative authority of all levels should support.

And the bad thing is that few people rise above this dream. In my opinion, because of the image of the future of Russia that is widespread today, the highest meaning fell out. Alas, too many quite reasonable people are convinced that it is the implementation of the “national power and national economy” scenario that is the long-awaited benefit of Russia.

But this is infinitely far from the messianic role of the Third Rome. It seems quite probable that Russia is required to fulfill its main duty to the Lord God, and this is not a satisfactory solution to our material problems. Their solution is a by-product of the right path.

If our path is the religious Transfiguration of Russia, then it is clear what needs to be told about what it means. So what needs to be done today to create a strong connection between our people and their spiritual world?

This is what needs to be told, for there is only one single Project, which Russia is simply obliged to execute, a Project that, for the time being, is hidden from the eyes of even quite insightful people and which is set forth in the Holy Scripture ...

Yes, one can accept the provisions of the “Russian ideology” of St. Seraphim (Sobolev), however, it is probably clear to everyone that in order to change the situation for the better, it is necessary to deal with the main internal defects of the social structure of Russia. It is clear that if this is not done, then the tragic scenarios of the past will inevitably repeat.

If I agree with the main provisions of the “Russian National Idea” by D.Salikhov and the text of the “Manifesto of the“ Revival of Russia ”Movement”, then, nevertheless, I cannot help but ask myself questions that most likely come to mind to anyone who seriously thought about implementation of the Project "Moscow - Third Rome".

Two well-known statements, for example, raise obvious questions: "The Russian people are the people of the God-bearer," "Mass apostasy took place in Russia, the ideals of Holy Russia were rejected by the Russians."

It is difficult to combine-understand. After all, the reference to internal and external enemies, to the betrayal of the elites, and even to the apostasy of the people, in our opinion, do not pull a satisfactory answer on the merits of the events that took place in Russia at the beginning of the twentieth century, therefore not everyone is satisfied with these explanations. Should we not look for the cause of the superfast death of the Russian Empire, relying on a deeper analysis of the processes that took place in our country over the long term?

Most likely, the parishioner of the Orthodox parish cannot develop this topic, since he will have to say that our Church is to blame for the events of the early 20th century. For me, Orthodox priests are selfless people who do hard and most significant work every day for the sake of the very existence of our people, so to speak words of condemnation about them is a great sin for me.

I will quote judgment on this topic from Archpriest Arseny, which is described in the book “Father Arseny”.

It was in 1947 year, in one of the camps of the Gulag, during a fierce dispute between prisoners. They argued about the ongoing arbitrariness and the black series of events in the USSR. Some of the prisoners remembered Arseni’s father and asked him to comment on this topic. He explained in detail why the cruelty of the camps and prisons and the mass landings of innocents are a direct consequence of the apostasy of the “educated” stratum of society in the Russian Empire, and he admitted that it had come to the church environment. Our Church can be immaculately strong. This is a task not only for the clergy, but also for the people and the authorities. This is the task that we all have to do. This is how the author understands the words of Arseny’s father ...

Repentance is the change of a person so that under no circumstances will he allow the repetition of his sins and will not depart from the laws of consent with God. The repentance of the people is not the scattering of ashes in the head in regret of what was done to them by a nasty 50 or 100 years ago, but this execution of the General cause, which would put both us and our children in a state of agreement with God and would rule out any apostasy That is exactly what should be told in the Revival Project of Russia.

In 1916, the Orthodox Church of Russia had approximately 360000 clergymen, and throughout the 19th century, the state actively supported the Church. She, in turn, supported the monarchs, and, in general, the entire state structure of our country. Why, at the beginning of the twentieth century, there was no proper symphony of spiritual and secular power in Russia? And why the apostasy of our people has become a mass phenomenon? And why, today, when the power elite has no inclination to serve their country with faith and truth, and the Church has only 36000 clergy, do we still expect the implementation of the “Moscow - Third Rome” Project?

By the way, why did the Orthodox Byzantium, having made the True State religion, yet fell under the blows of many unfavorable circumstances? Experts answer this question in the same way: they say there were many external and internal enemies, there was a betrayal of the elites and the wrong behavior of the people, and someone would say that there was not everything in the Church ...

So L.N.Gumilyov may be right, arguing that any state after a certain passionate rise and take-off will necessarily fall into the “fall” phase — extinction and “winter” -death?

Somehow I still can not believe it. How can it be? Why? It is in man that the mechanism of death comes, and in a society that is oriented towards the fulfillment of divine laws, there is everything for eternal life. Therefore, we must again and again ask ourselves: how does a country in which the people and the sovereign serve God with faith and truth, and therefore do not lose touch with Him, suddenly fall into the destruction zone?

The words of the protective Psalm 90 (1-6) come to mind

"He who dwells under the shelter of the Most High under the shadow of the Almighty rests,

He says to the Lord: "my refuge and my protection
My God, in whom I trust! "
He will deliver you from the net of a catcher, from a fatal ulcer,
he shall dawn with his feathers, and under his wings
you will be safe; shield and fence are His truth.
Do not fear horror in the night, arrows flying in the day,
an ulcer walking in the dark, an infection devastating at noon ... ”



Well, people can not God-bearing suddenly go the way of mass apostasy. There must be some internal cause of this phenomenon.
To understand this problem - to save the country.
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    1. iliya87
      iliya87 April 1 2016 14: 25
      +6
      Have you read the article at all?
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 1 2016 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: iliya87
        Have you read the article at all?

        The article was published at 14:21, and he (Oleg Lavrov) left a comment at 14:23 laughing nimble small
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU April 1 2016 14: 56
          +8
          One of the possible concepts: The Fall of the "Pink World"

          More than a year has passed since Russia got rid of the illusory world of newspapers and news, the “invisible hand of the market” and the classical political science school. Unable to build the USSR 2.0 due to the specifics of the Russian consumer society that had formed and not ready to go into civil conflict both within the country (millions of people were not ready for labor self-sacrifice and exit from warm apartments to build BAM-2) and for military conflict in the name of abstract ideas such as: “the war on terror”, “Helping the friendly Syrian people”, etc. The Russian national-state elite of the security forces, the very first in the world, concluded a pact with the citizens of their country, in which Russia is recognized as a State-Corporation.
          In television broadcasting and Runet space, there was a slight reduction in news programs in favor of the 2-4 stations, which clearly and intelligibly explained what is happening in the world ... Many countries followed the same way.
          Channel "corporate analytics":
          “Today, the Russian Aerospace Forces struck the outskirts of the Syrian city of Rakka, now a crushing blow has been dealt to the Syceocentric troops of the Qatari and American corporations, as a result, the projects to build a gas pipeline through Syria to Europe have virtually zeroed. It is no longer necessary for our citizens, shareholders, to worry about the position of the Gazprom concern on the European market, and therefore there is no reason for a discussion on the possible reduction of social expenditures on non-profitable groups of shareholders ... ”
          The program "Strategic Evening", leading Vitaly Orlov:
          “Today, we are forced to admit that the rejection of the principles of the“ Pink World ”brought Russia security in the public sphere and the unity of the country's shareholders and the main management. Our citizens are no longer driven by slogans about fair courts, free meetings, transparent rules of the game, knowing that this is just a tool of competing corporations in the fight for our assets in favor of their consumers and shareholders of their territorial entities within the framework of a closed planetary capitalist market, where there are no markets, and you need to eat each other "
          Studio guest: “Vitali, I don’t fully agree with you, today in Europe our competitors went our way and openly curtailed the project“ Democracy ”, recognizing that the remnants of the EU would survive if they admit the fact of creating a colonial system as a means of survival. Already in Holland they raise a question in a referendum about what the liabilities from Ukraine would be to do — an asset, that is, to send troops, and openly siphon off resources from this territory, not hiding behind slogans on human rights and not contain representatives of the local colonial administration. Therefore, we must completely switch to gold so that our shareholders do not want the citizenship of their corporation. We need to raise the value of our assets. After all, we have the advantage, because before all refused snotty pink news, where everything seems to be happening by itself, and countries honestly compete with each other, wanting mutual prosperity, opening their markets. Therefore, tomorrow I will submit a draft to the Lower Shareholders Meeting to allow the limited use of our seceocentric units in Ukraine. Artist: Bakharchenko! Let the Dutch go to minus !!!
          24 channel: “We get footage from the US, where the trial of the organizers of the operation“ 11 of September ”is underway, in particular, these are executive directors of the military-industrial complex concerns and the director of the Fed at 2001 year. They were sentenced, and some assets were confiscated in favor of the corporate community "Manhattan". The prosecution insists on the triviality of the operation and native territorial affiliation. Recall that the United States, following Russia through 3, left the Pink World project, the idea was copied by Donald Kramp. ”
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU April 1 2016 14: 57
            +3
            Radio “Shvoboda”: “……………………………………… maybe? ... ... no, it will not work ... you say gold passed? ..... damn .... aaa ... the training manual came !!! So, until the Russians understand that it is better to live in America because they have just got warmer there and do not need to spend a lot of gas on heating, which can be sold on a rotational basis to other small corporations here, being a shareholder of the Amerigo corporation, body will not. Think of Florida !! What better to have a plasma-4, a soft sofa and a blonde wife in Perm, or the same, but in a warm Florida overlooking the ocean! ??? Choose corporation Amerigo !!!
            1. neo.
              neo. April 1 2016 15: 07
              +4
              So I would like to answer such radio "Shvobodam", "echoes of Moscow bunches", foreign, "our" NGOs, "Merciful" Foundations, which will always oppose any national idea in Russia (since these are the most natural internal ENEMIES) -
              heading next articles, 14:41 -
              Dmitry Rogozin: "Sometimes I feel an acute shortage of SMERSH for better persuasion of some comrades"
              URGENTLY!
          2. 222222
            222222 April 1 2016 15: 41
            +15
            "" Shoigu: - Our Armed Forces have conquered the USA, Canada and all of Europe!
            Putin: - Why ?!
            Shoigu: - You said to release half the world ...
            Putin: - I said: Palmyra !!!
            Shoigu: - I'm sorry, I misheard ... ""
            laughing
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 April 1 2016 15: 02
          +6
          The author is convinced that the correct economic and financial policy of the state is a direct consequence of its ideology based on Orthodoxy.
          ... I set the article plus for the very reflection on the role of the National Idea ... but I don’t understand how the author combines Orthodoxy and the success of financial and economic policies ... given that Russia, even under the Tsar, was a lot of confessional state ... hi
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov April 1 2016 18: 34
            +3
            Quote: Inok10
            ... I set the article as a plus for thinking about the role of the National Idea ... but I don’t understand how the author combines Orthodoxy and the success of financial and economic policy ... given that Russia, even under the Tsar, was a lot of a confessional state ... hi

            Yes, Russia under the tsar was, as you said a lot, a confessional state, only for example Jews lived in separate towns and there was no trust in them, but now they are Yavlinsky, Kasyanovs, Yashins, Kasparavs, Chubays, etc. bloomed and while the people of the Russian Federation of all nationalities are on them, without one there will be no council for any national idea.
            1. ver_
              ver_ April 2 2016 08: 18
              +2
              ... at the same time, please enlighten which people introduced the cult of Christ? .. and why? To whom polytheism hindered a lot .. By the way about the birds - Russia - pagans - there were many gods, like the Norwegians, and the gods lived on Olympus .... Who "cries" about the fall of Jerusalem because of the adoption of faith in foreign gods in the scriptures ..
      3. Oleg Lavrov
        Oleg Lavrov April 1 2016 14: 30
        -5
        Of course! Many questions will disappear, and mistakes of the past will not be repeated, since the GDP of Russia knows the history of Russia perfectly and takes advantage of its lessons, including attitude to religion!
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris April 1 2016 14: 37
          +6
          Are you running right from the rally in support of GDP? The question is not about him, but about the National Idea. Or is it an idea for you? And what are these history lessons and how does the GDP use them in the sphere of bribery, corruption and liberal ideas?
          Quote: Oleg Lavrov
          Of course! Many questions will disappear, and mistakes of the past will not be repeated, since the GDP of Russia knows the history of Russia perfectly and takes advantage of its lessons, including attitude to religion!
          1. Red jack
            Red jack April 1 2016 14: 40
            +3
            Yes, an ordinary Putinist at the headquarters of the liberals
        2. st25310
          st25310 April 1 2016 14: 53
          +16
          “After my death, a lot of garbage will be put on my grave, but the time will come and sweep it away. I have never been a true revolutionary, my whole life is an ongoing struggle against Zionism, the purpose of which is to establish a new world order under the rule of the Jewish bourgeoisie ... To achieve this, they need to destroy the USSR, Russia, destroy Faith, turn the Russian sovereign people into rootless cosmopolitans. Only the Empire can oppose their plans. It will not be - Russia will perish, the World will perish ... Stop utopias. It’s impossible to invent anything better than a monarchy, which means it’s not necessary. I always worshiped the genius and grandeur of the Russian tsars. We cannot go anywhere from autocracy. But the dictator should be replaced by an autocrat. When the time comes. The only place on earth where we can be together is Russia. Reforms are inevitable, but in due time. And these should be reforms - organic, evolutionary, based on traditions, with the gradual restoration of Orthodox identity. They are based on realism and common sense. Very soon, wars over territories will be replaced by “cold” wars - over resources and energy. You need to be prepared for this. Mastering new types of energy should be a priority for our scientists. Their success is the key to our independence in the future. The army can be strong only when it enjoys the exclusive care and love of the people and government. This is the greatest moral strength of the army, the guarantee of its invincibility. And the army must be loved and cherished!
          I'm lonely. Russia is a colossal country, and not a single decent person is around ... The old generation is completely infected with Zionism, all our hope for youth. The time has come to announce a new crusade against the international, and only the new Russian Order will be able to head it, the creation of which must be started immediately. Remember: the world does not need a strong Russia, no one will help us, you can only rely on your own strengths.
          I did what I could, I hope you do more and better.
          Be worthy of the memory of our great ancestors.
          January-February 1953 of the year. Joseph Stalin"
          1. neo.
            neo. April 1 2016 14: 56
            +5
            Well, people can not God-bearing suddenly go the way of mass apostasy. There must be some internal cause of this phenomenon.
            To understand this problem - to save the country.
            The problem is that the enemy's opposition is too great. Available on TV, other media, the Internet, all sorts of foreign and "our" (enemy) NGOs, Foundations, ... + sowing debauchery, easy behavior, irresponsibility. Here's what to cut first.
            Otherwise, any concept that the state will accept for execution will be EASILY to vulgarize and oppose with the slogans: "I wish happiness to Russia, to the Russian people!" (like, like yesterday in a duel, Ryzhkov screamed to Mikheev right up to salivation)
            Quote: st25310
            to create which you need to start immediately. Remember: the world does not need a strong Russia, no one will help us, you can only rely on your own strengths.
      4. Samen
        Samen April 1 2016 15: 44
        +11
        Well, the people of God-bearer cannot suddenly follow the path of mass apostasy.

        And I suddenly realized:
        There is NO God ... outside!
        God IS inside
        and his name is conscience.

        Saman (Orthodox Communist)
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 1 2016 16: 06
          +4
          I completely agree with you and the Orthodox Communist (a combination of the interests of these two words). God is in the Soul, and around Nature in childbirth and torment gives birth to both the Great and the insignificant. How so it turns out.
        2. sigdoc
          sigdoc April 1 2016 18: 10
          +1
          God is MIND.
          And "sin" is translated as a mistake (or stupidity), and actions are ultimately divided not into good or bad, good or evil, but reasonable (from God) and not. As a result, it turns out that millions of "good and good" live in poverty (as sinners should live), and a bunch of utyrks are like cheese in butter (as saints should live).
      5. Anatol2716
        Anatol2716 April 1 2016 22: 29
        0
        And why, when you can immediately start commenting
    2. chikenous59
      chikenous59 April 1 2016 14: 29
      +6
      Quote: Oleg Lavrov
      God forbid our president V.V. To Putin !! To continue to move in this direction !!

      You, my friend, a populist laughing
      Good slogans scattered. Not about this the author wrote)))
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 1 2016 14: 31
        +4
        Quote: chikenous59
        Not about this the author wrote)))

        No? Well then: the right thing, if there were more such planes and America Khan. laughing
        1. chikenous59
          chikenous59 April 1 2016 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: chikenous59
          Not about this the author wrote)))

          No? Well then: the right thing, if there were more such planes and America Khan. laughing

          Forgot "Hurray" to add "Glory to Russia"
          Together we will defeat all)
        2. Vend
          Vend April 1 2016 14: 37
          +8
          Moscow - The Third Rome
          Well, I do not. Moscow is neither Rome nor Byzantium. This is priestly ravings. That Rome, that Byzantium were destroyed. We don’t need this. Moscow is Moscow, the heart of Russia.
          1. heaps
            heaps April 1 2016 14: 47
            -5
            As soon as they retreated from God, it was destroyed.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral April 1 2016 16: 07
            +4
            Moscow is the crazy brains of Russia. The heart of Russia in the Urals or in Siberia.
            1. ver_
              ver_ April 2 2016 08: 55
              +1
              ... Moscow was founded by Andrei Bogolyubsky -Christ, but this is why the problem ..
          3. poquello
            poquello April 1 2016 16: 35
            0
            Quote: Wend
            Moscow - The Third Rome
            Well, I do not. Moscow is neither Rome nor Byzantium. ...

            never say never
  2. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 April 1 2016 14: 28
    +9
    Trust in God! To love the motherland! Respect old age!
    To patronize the young! Honor your family!
    Everything is simple and clear!
    IMHO.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 April 1 2016 14: 31
      0
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Trust in God! To love the motherland! Respect old age!
      To patronize the young! Honor your family!
      Everything is simple and clear!
      IMHO.

      That's right, in my opinion, say. Obvious things.
      But how many "benefits" of humanity have they brought to distract us from what you just said?

      The Internet thing is good, but how many people are spoiled because of it?
      If you sit for a long time, think about the Internet, you can come to the conclusion that "evil" has grown precisely because of it.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 1 2016 14: 44
        +8
        Quote: chikenous59
        If you sit for a long time, think about the Internet, you can come to the conclusion that "evil" has grown precisely because of it

        A new look, however ... A.S. Griboyedov in "Woe from Wit" through Famusov said:
        "Learning is the plague, learning is the reason!
        If evil were to be stopped: Take away all the books and burn them. "
    2. Red jack
      Red jack April 1 2016 14: 41
      -6
      Believe in God only slaves of capitalism
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan April 1 2016 15: 06
        +2
        Well, it will be rewarded according to your Faith. .. :-) and God forbid. ..
      2. Weyland
        Weyland April 1 2016 23: 59
        0
        Quote: Red Jack
        Believe in God only slaves of capitalism


        And is it nothing that God was believed in thousands of years before the rise of capitalism? fool laughing
        1. ver_
          ver_ April 2 2016 08: 29
          +1
          ..and what was the name of the god whom they believed? ..
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 April 1 2016 16: 04
      +8
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Trust in God! To love the motherland! Respect old age!
      To patronize the young! Honor your family!
      Everything is simple and clear!


      Hmm ... If everything was so simple and clear ...

      Any (!!!) religion has as its goal the attainment of power over its flock (cynically - herd) by mastering its mind and directing it in the direction necessary for the pillars of this religion ... And power, in any case, is wealth ...

      What is the difference between different parties from different religious sects ??? Yes, nothing ... The goal is the same - to take possession of the minds and hearts, and therefore - and the will of those who believe in God or the founder of the party ...

      After all, our kings (albeit partially) were ruled by the patriarchs (and who is the king, if not a parishioner-believer?), And the pharaohs listened to the opinion of their priests ...

      And the author in his article also says that under the kings the church supported the monarchs - and vice versa ... That is, there was a kind of tandem ...

      Now there is no such tandem - I'm talking about Russia ...
      Faith in various parties - no ... Faith in priests, many of whom are not ascetic missionaries, but simply cult workers, whose goal of their "work" is to achieve the material well-being of the church in general and themselves in particular, is also not special. ..

      Only one conclusion can be drawn from the article: the people of Russia (and this means the ruling elite) need one idea that unites everyone ... Only this can not only save Russia from ruin, not only in the economy, but also in the minds, but also her powerful ...

      After all, Russia has everything in order to become powerful - territories, minerals, etc., etc. No more in the world such a rich, but also such a poor country !!!

      There is only one problem: there is no idea that can unite both the people and the "ruling" elite ...

      And how and where to find this idea, and how to put it into practice - this is the eternal Russian question ...
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 1 2016 14: 36
    -1
    Moscow - The Third Rome

    This is the designation of the Lord, not a human desire.
    Resistance to the Lord is self-destruction ...
    1. V.ic
      V.ic April 1 2016 14: 47
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Resistance to the Lord is self-destruction ...

      Timur Shaov would sing:
      "As Ecclesiastes said:
      "He who grumbles against God -
      He, guys, p.ed.a.s.
      That guys is the word! ”
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 15: 34
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Moscow - The Third Rome

      This is the designation of the Lord, not a human desire.
      Resistance to the Lord is self-destruction ...

      Amen.
      As there Venichka Erofeev: "... And immediately drank .." (c)
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 27
        +4
        It would be better to continue to drink ...
  4. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov April 1 2016 14: 42
    +5
    The definition of "third Rome" in my opinion somewhat belittles our Motherland
    Russia should be the only and not repeatable RUSSIA! And not some Rome there!
    And the national idea should be precisely in this - Living according to OUR rules formed over centuries of existence, and not paying attention to the cries of dying barbarians from outside of Russia
    1. ver_
      ver_ April 2 2016 08: 37
      +1
      ..in the days of these Rome, a small military fortification (of which there were many on the roads of the Empire) ..
  5. Stanislas
    Stanislas April 1 2016 14: 47
    +2
    I am convinced that it is precisely the concrete, meaningful “Common cause” of Russia that will help throw off the ridiculous obsession that our people are immersed in today
    Fedorov is risen ?! belay The editors, nmv, orthodox texts specifically select such that against their background pagans with militant atheists look smarter.
  6. Igor39
    Igor39 April 1 2016 14: 48
    +5
    Well it began, Rome, boch and we are the navel of the earth, laughing In fact, the government is taking us by leaps and bounds to a brighter future, for example, Vasilyeva was returned everything, she repented, she also returned everything and was forgiven, an act of "God's" justice happened, we are on the right path !!!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 35
      +3
      Are you fooling around, Igor?
      Officials everywhere and always stole. Vasiliev was released, the governor of Sakhalin was taken. Why, they will not report to us.
      Angry? I agree. Well, only sacred why touch? God, spelled a little differently.
  7. RUSS
    RUSS April 1 2016 14: 48
    +6
    "Moscow is the Third Rome and there will be no Fourth" -this wording from the letter of Philotheus became a classic expression of the essence of the concept.
    However, in reality, for the first time this idea was put forward much earlier by Metropolitan Zosima in the preface to his work, The Presentation of Easter, and Filofei substantiated this concept in accordance with the prevailing world outlook and spiritual demands of society.
    The political theory “Moscow - Third Rome” is also justified by the legend of the late 15th - early 16th centuries. about the Byzantine origin of the cap of Monomakh, allegedly sent by the emperor Konstantin Monomakh to the Grand Duke of Kiev Vladimir II Monomakh.

    “And now, in the last sia summer, like in the first, glorify God .... the benevolent and Christ-loving Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich, the sovereign and autocrat of all Russia, the new Tsar Konstantin, the new degree to Kostyantin - Moscow and all Russian land and many other lands of the sovereign. " The significance of this theory of the “new city of Konstantin” is not in the honorable comparison between Moscow and Constantinople and Ivan III with Konstantin (such a comparison was already expressed in the Tale of Bygone Years - in relation to Vladimir Kiev; in the journalism of the 1453th century, Dmitry Donskoy and Boris Alexandrovich were compared Tversky, Vasily II, Ivan III himself - in the "Message to the Ugra" by Vassian Rylot). The exposition of Paschalia refers not only to comparison, but also to opposition - Moscow, as the “last” “city of Constantine” replaces the first center of the world, Constantinople, which fell in 1439 under the blows of the Turks (and “destroyed”, as claimed Russian polemical monuments, after the union of XNUMX); it becomes the only Orthodox center in the world.
    1. epsilon571
      epsilon571 April 2 2016 00: 41
      0
      To what you want to add, I want to add this:

      "The mission of Russia is to become the center of the Orthodox world, to protect this world from the Evil One, and to be an example for his flock.
      All this is said by people, but is commanded by God himself.

      Only after fulfilling their destiny before the Lord, will the Russian people achieve greatness, without fulfilling, they will lose the patronage of the Heavenly Father, and will be thrown into dust. "

      Moscow is the Third Rome, but there will never be a fourth!
    2. ver_
      ver_ April 2 2016 08: 46
      0
      ..Constantinople founded by Dmitry Donskoy = Constantine the Great, 40 km. from the destroyed Troy - the city of the ancient Kings .., where did the Rurik family come from ..
  8. Pitot
    Pitot April 1 2016 14: 49
    +8
    What does gumilev have to do with it? Who said that we are the people of the God-bearer? What god are we wearing? Honestly, are we kind of Orthodox? So that every century we have constantly wars, problems, smelly tsarism, coups, revolutions, re-ratations, in 1861 only serfdom was abolished. Who are we? The whole world does not tolerate us. Why? What the hell? What gentleman is the resistance? We do not have God, but some kind of sadist - every century we make some kind of sacrifice in the form of those who died during the wars. We constantly have some kind of sacrifice. What the hell? IS IT SATANISM ?? What's this??? Why do we perish constantly - on the roads, in houses during explosions, in the process of medical errors (that there were a lot of them then), in the process of simply eating simple food.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic April 1 2016 19: 21
      -2
      Quote: Pitot
      What the hell? IS IT SATANISM ?? What's this??? Why do we perish constantly - on the roads, in houses during explosions, in the process of medical errors (that there were a lot of them then), in the process of simply eating simple food.

      ... processсe ... Drink soothing, helps, you can even 50 grams / only high-quality. Cook your own food so that there is no one to nod at. Imagine yourself on a desert island and work. Nobody will do our work for us. Will you be free to do someone else's work? Grub is not the main thing, the main thing = this is the goal that must be achieved.
    2. ver_
      ver_ April 2 2016 09: 39
      +1
      ... so God has as a coin two sides - eagle and tails - Chernobog and Belobog .. it's like cards will fall .. (which side you look at) ..
  9. nrex
    nrex April 1 2016 14: 54
    0
    Moscow - Third Rome - this is our only way
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 1 2016 15: 25
      +6
      Adolf Aloisievich Schicklgruber considered his Third Reich "the great Aryan German nation" to be the "Third Rome". So be careful with "messianism" and "God's chosenness", gentlemen clerics. There are already enough "exceptional" and "hegemons" on our small planet.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 40
        +1
        Isn't it strange that you have such associations? A.A.Sh., spoke of the third empire. First, do you think it was in Rome? Maybe I’m mistaken, but the first empire for him is under Charlemagne.
      2. ver_
        ver_ April 2 2016 09: 08
        0
        ... only for some reason the children (Aryans) were exported from Russia - in Germany there was no gene pool almost at that time, but the Semitic tribes spread all over the world, dragging the golden calf with them ..
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 1 2016 15: 25
      +2
      Adolf Aloisievich Schicklgruber considered his Third Reich "the great Aryan German nation" to be the "Third Rome". So be careful with "messianism" and "God's chosenness", gentlemen clerics. There are already enough "exceptional" and "hegemons" on our small planet.
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST April 1 2016 21: 24
      +2
      Quote: nrex
      Moscow - Third Rome - this is our only way

      Are hordes of barbarians destroying us too?
      1. ver_
        ver_ April 2 2016 09: 24
        +2
        ... when Georgians speak, those who don’t know the Georgian language hear Ara, Ara - the people say - the macaws have arrived ..
        When he speaks Russian, those who do not know the Russian language hear Var, Var .. Is it worth explaining that the Slavs were called Barbarians .. The same is true about the horde .. Horde is an army ..
        And that we have the Barbarians - the army of the Slavs .. He still remembers Geyrop with his "whipping ass" that ancient "excursion" .. our ancestors ..
  10. Lanista
    Lanista April 1 2016 14: 58
    +13
    And this is the path to breaking the ties between people and God, and, therefore, this is the path to nowhere.

    Colleagues, are you serious?
    At present, two global forces (essentially unified) - ISIS and Saudis - are fully putting on the religious factor. All the rest operate in categories of economics and geopolitics.
    The author of the material wants WHAT future for Russia? Let's all go together in the model of "economic development" of a separate economy of German Sterligov? No cowards, but with religion?
    But this is infinitely far from the messianic role of the Third Rome. It seems quite likely that Russia is required to fulfill its main duty to the Lord God, and this is not a satisfactory solution to our material problems.

    What is the debt? Who else do we owe? Again to repent before the offended? AND WHO SPECIFICALLY should determine this "duty", its content and content?
    We agree that the main problems of modern Russia are that only nation-wide repentance will clear the way to the future,

    SERIOUSLY? Author, who do you work for? State Department? Poland? To whom, ...., shall we repent?
    Our Church can be impeccably strong. This is the task not only of the clergy, but also of the people and the authorities. This is the task that we all must fulfill.

    And so it turns out that I personally have a task! To make the Russian Orthodox Church stronger! And I thought - The oath is there, serving the Law and the People ... It turned out not. ROC is a priority.

    I summarize. My personal opinion is that the author is either a provocateur or frankly stupid.
    1. cap
      cap April 1 2016 16: 18
      +4
      Quote: Lanista

      And so it turns out that I personally have a task! To make the Russian Orthodox Church stronger! And I thought - The oath is there, serving the Law and the People ... It turned out not. ROC is a priority.

      I summarize. My personal opinion is that the author is either a provocateur or frankly stupid.



      good No comment.
    2. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 April 1 2016 17: 24
      +4
      In my family, as far as I can remember, all are Orthodox. He raised children as well. I want an Orthodox future for my children.
      Repentance is a mystery when sins are forgiven to a person. Repentance is necessary only for himself and the priest, and here the State Department and Poland.
      You do not know anything about your people.
      About the oath: so far no state has abolished the institution of the oath, the oath is an oath of allegiance, the one who has violated the oath is an oath-criminal, which is a serious sin.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 56
        +1
        "You don't know anything about your people."
        That's for sure. But what is his people?
      2. Lanista
        Lanista April 1 2016 18: 10
        +5
        Repentance is a mystery when sins are forgiven to a person. Only the person and the priest need to repent

        Right And now we read in the source material:
        only nationwide repentance will clear the way to the future

        Nationwide repentance. The author of the material is not aware of the sacraments.
        And the State Department and Poland are here despite the fact that it is precisely these two entities that call us to repentance of the nation most of all.
        the oath is an oath of allegiance; the person who has violated the oath is an oath-criminal, which is a grave sin.

        Yah? A reference to a place in St. Scriptures about this, please provide.
        It is a sin to break the oath if the oath was taken at a SACRED site. For example, if the oath was given with a mention of God, or on a religious symbol. For the rest of the objects - "God God, Caesar Caesarevo".
  11. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 1 2016 15: 07
    +7
    The motive of the enlighteners at all times was the same: "the people are gray and stupid, for them you need to formulate an understandable idea, chew and convey."
    Concerned by the new ideology do not inspire confidence in me. Especially the saints and others like them in their attempts to find a niche for Orthodoxy in a post-industrial society. However, as you know, the modern church is quite a compromise with the consumer society.
  12. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 1 2016 15: 10
    0
    The Third Rome came to the Moscow state under Ivan the Third (Rurekovich), to marry; Sofie Poleolog descendant of the Roman emperors.
    1. theth
      theth April 1 2016 15: 29
      +2
      Yeah, only tentatively, the rights to the throne of Constantinople were sold to the French king. Sophia Poleolog was a descendant of the Roman emperors. Paleologists, emperors-losers, emperors without an empire
  13. sigdoc
    sigdoc April 1 2016 15: 16
    +8
    The priests have moved, the second article for today. First, rename the metro station "Saint Gundyaev", now put religion (church) at the basis of the state, appetites are growing as dashingly.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 18: 00
      -2
      Are you apparently an atheist too?
      I doubt it. Rather a propagandist. "Saint Gundyaev", this is necessary, a fresh stamp. Yes, you have talent. Pay a lot?
  14. Zubr
    Zubr April 1 2016 15: 19
    +2
    Quote: Lanista
    In 1916, the Orthodox Church of Russia had approximately 360000 clergymen, and throughout the 19th century, the state actively supported the Church. She, in turn, supported the monarchs, and, in general, the entire state structure of our country. Why, at the beginning of the twentieth century, there was no proper symphony of spiritual and secular power in Russia? And why the apostasy of our people has become a mass phenomenon? And why, today, when the power elite has no inclination to serve their country with faith and truth, and the Church has only 36000 clergy, do we still expect the implementation of the “Moscow - Third Rome” Project?


    The age-old questions: "Why" and "What to do". And all because outright bandits with their mercantile requests have seized power at one time. What we sowed in due time, we reap.
    Some did not have enough political will to stop this process, some did not have personal interests and a direct connection with the bandits. In addition, an attempt to rewrite history, as the Germans tried to create in their time in the Academy of Sciences, and for this M.V. Lomonosov chased like curly cats. Nothing in this world changes. And the people are still hungry for "BREAD AND SPECIES" .. smile
    1. Lanista
      Lanista April 1 2016 15: 24
      +5
      I am the author of the quote. Only I did not write it.
      ??
      1. cap
        cap April 1 2016 16: 21
        +2
        Quote: Lanista
        I am the author of the quote. Only I did not write it.
        ??


        I won’t be surprised. This also happened to my nickname.
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 1 2016 23: 24
      +2
      Quote: Author Dmitry Lebedev, Russian folk line
      In 1916, the Russian Orthodox Church had approximately 360000 clergymen, and throughout the nineteenth century the state actively supported the Church.
      Hmm, the author zhzhot!
      According to the annual "Russian Calendar" on January 1, 1915, the entire territory of the Russian Empire was 112629 people of the clergy, of which priests - 51105 people, deacons - 15035 and psalmists - 46489.
      Afftar is completely unaware that since the time of the Petrine reform of the church, the church has been a structural unit of the state and was supervised by the chief prosecutor, who has the right to reverse any decision of the Holy Synod.

      And what after this can be said for the article?
  15. drilled
    drilled April 1 2016 15: 19
    +15
    Orthodoxy ... And here I am a pagan. And my neighbor is a Muslim. Not a religious psycho, but a Muslim. How do you write us into your system if your patriarch Gundyaev declared that before the baptism the Slavs were animals? What kind of shepherd of this nation is he after that ?!
    Lavrov’s famous words to the author are quite applicable
  16. Riv
    Riv April 1 2016 15: 22
    0
    Nonsense. The national idea of ​​Russia is patriotism. And Neh ... we need, in short, no six volumes. So said the president!
    1. theth
      theth April 1 2016 15: 34
      +8
      Stupid, pointless idea.
      But what else did the president say
      Vladimir Putin: In 2015, we will reach a deficit-free budget
      Vladimir Putin: meat production in Russia in 2015 will grow by 5,9%
      Vladimir Putin: Those who are really guilty will be punished in the Oboronservis case
      Vladimir Putin: We will increase the inflow of foreign investment to 25% of GDP
      Vladimir Putin: In 2014, inflation will fall below 5%
      Vladimir Putin: By 2015, a third of Russians will be able to afford the purchase of housing
      Vladimir Putin: Russia will be one of the five largest economies in the world by 2015
      My favorite
      Vladimir Putin: If oil prices fall, the dollar will begin to fall
      1. Lanista
        Lanista April 1 2016 16: 04
        +1
        According to your listing:
        which of this did not come true?
        1. Red jack
          Red jack April 1 2016 17: 38
          +5
          Everything has not come true
          1. Lanista
            Lanista April 1 2016 18: 03
            0
            Hmm, point by point.
            2015 - I do not remember the cuts in budget programs, except for the rearmament program (there were more cuts there for structural reasons).
            The increase in meat production really is, however, it is due to a decrease in imports.
            In the Oboronservis case, the persons involved have been identified at least.
            I can’t say for sure about investments, but wasn’t it in 2015 that, by chance, a gas futures contract was signed?
            In 2014, "at the moment" inflation was somewhere around 5% a couple of times.
            In 2015, the mortgage system was already fully functioning. And do not assume that Russia is limited along the perimeter of the Moscow Ring Road.
            As for the largest economies - this is generally a controversial question, what and how to count. By the ratio of GDP / external debt, we actually enter the top 5.
            Well, the dollar and oil prices are exactly the same, as was said. Oil is growing - the dollar is falling, and vice versa.
            1. theth
              theth April 1 2016 19: 58
              +2
              Did not come true absolutely FSE! I can throw links
  17. drilled
    drilled April 1 2016 15: 23
    +1


    I summarize. My personal opinion is that the author is either a provocateur or frankly stupid.


    +100
    you can’t say better
  18. theth
    theth April 1 2016 15: 31
    -2
    For those who passed the ABC book story at school. The city of Moscow has nothing to do with either Rome or New Rome (the name on official documents). All this ass licking butt John 4, nothing more
  19. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 1 2016 15: 32
    +5
    Gumilyov - I respect, but the article is muddy .... "-".
  20. Yves762
    Yves762 April 1 2016 15: 47
    +4
    “Moscow is the Third Rome” - is it utopia or is it our only way?

    Now, if in the previous 2 news such as:
    "From April 1, the (default) law on increasing excise taxes on fuel comes into force."
    - were also more often than:
    "The minimum wage will increase from January 1, 2016"
    -, Toda Yes - Moscow is the "third Rome", this is "our only way"; and yes - this is utopia ... 8 (

    https://russian.rt.com/article/156585
    http://rg.ru/2015/12/16/mrot.html
  21. Blondy
    Blondy April 1 2016 15: 47
    +8
    I’m generally an atheist, in the sense I don’t deny the god who kicked something there and the Big Bang happened, so Christ has nothing to catch against such uncle. I have a positive attitude towards religion, even though a person created a god here in his own image and likeness, but the most important thing in religion is that, unlike democracy, it teaches to behave decently in society: do not make yourself an idol, cast out a slave from your soul and turn to to god. Well and simpler: do not steal, do not kill, etc. But I am wary of the church - these are, nevertheless, people and even true faith in them somehow combines with mercantile interest. And most of all they cause fears when they begin to learn to live. There is a lot of evidence that not all of them overcome their biological nature and a certain part, due to the surrounding environment, resolves this crisis using methods of sexual minorities. And this is very alarming when such an audience of hypocrisy begins to preach to you family and other values.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 1 2016 16: 50
      +8
      Quote: Blondy
      I’m generally an atheist, in the sense I don’t deny the god who kicked something there and the Big Bang happened,

      In this case, you are not an atheist, but like me an agnostic.
      Quote: Blondy
      I am wary of the church - these are, nevertheless, people and even true faith in them somehow combines with mercantile interest.

      The church is now a purely commercial project.
      But in general I agree with you. Add:
      We agree that the main problems of modern Russia are that only nation-wide repentance will clear the way to the future, but today it is impossible for many reasons

      Do you feel? Again they want people to repent. Too often they began to say that everyone around should begin to repent earnestly. In what? Are the people to blame? Why not repent to those who ruined the state? Tagged, for example. Chubais. The oligarchs at last.
      And, finally, Orthodoxy as a national idea in a multinational and multiconfessional country is the height of disrespect for the majority of the population.
      1. Blondy
        Blondy April 1 2016 18: 19
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        In this case, you are not an atheist, but like me an agnostic.

        No, atheist, I don’t deny the divine kick as one of the options, it’s quite possible, for example, the collision of domains is like a bucket of water: from the outside - a boom, water comes into excited state, and even in the middle a drop can jump out - too A good big bang is obtained.
        Quote: EvgNik
        We agree that the main problems of modern Russia are that only nation-wide repentance will clear the way to the future, but today it is impossible for many reasons
        Do you feel? Again they want people to repent. Too often they began to say that everyone around should begin to repent earnestly.
        In my repentance, the main thing is that repenting people become more obedient. But puppeteers here and the liberals may be different - everyone needs obedient ones. And the most vile option is when some nibul adherent assumes authority, on behalf of or in the name of something there, indicating with a trembling finger - an incorrect, heretic. We have a trembling finger under this finger, thank God, so far, in my opinion, only exhibitions have been smashed.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 1 2016 16: 58
      0
      Quote: Blondy
      when such a public hypocrite

      Among Christians, Jesus expelled the Pharisees from the temple; and in Islam - Mohammed expelled "hypocrites" from the mosque. Learn from the young?
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 1 2016 16: 58
      0
      Quote: Blondy
      when such a public hypocrite

      Among Christians, Jesus expelled the Pharisees from the temple; and in Islam - Mohammed expelled "hypocrites" from the mosque. Learn from the young?
    4. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 1 2016 18: 27
      +2
      Personally, I am a convinced atheist, but I am quite tolerant towards believers, because I am convinced that where knowledge ends, their place is taken by religion (no matter what, Christ, Buddha or Shiva or rotten stump). And our Cyril is the same oligarch as everyone else! I don’t see a fundamental difference.
      But the fact that there is no unifying idea in society is very bad! In the USSR there was an idea - building a just communist society, and we aspired to this idea. The USSR collapsed, they abandoned the idea of ​​building communism - immediately the priests took this place with their worldview, which they are trying to impose on me! Now in Russia there is no idea uniting people! What we strive for is unknown.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 1 2016 18: 34
        +1
        Now they act on the principle: Deceive your neighbor, otherwise he will deceive you and at the same time rejoice! laughing
    5. Weyland
      Weyland April 2 2016 00: 04
      0
      What to reply to your post? Intelligence fully corresponds to the nickname!
  22. Sergei64
    Sergei64 April 1 2016 15: 54
    -4
    The eternal struggle between good and evil, Russia is on the verge of its rise under the sign of Aquarius, uniting around itself more and more countries of opponents of evil, which comes from the "West", not claiming to be the head, and the peoples of Asia and Europe understand this. For them, Moscow is the personification of saving the world from obscurantism.
    Orthodoxy gives hope to all mankind for a peaceful existence on earth. Otherwise, crash.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: Sergei64
      Orthodoxy gives hope to all mankind for a peaceful existence on earth.

      yes give up. Is it like 200 million adherents of Orthodoxy to all seven billion can give any hope? Messianic nonsense. Orthodoxy in itself, the world in itself. And in goodness and meekness will never abide. Full already.
  23. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat April 1 2016 15: 54
    +4
    All empires ended badly ... well, nafig. We must not seek to call the country an empire, we just need to work and live for the country, people in particular. Personally, I don’t care whether the empire is Russia or not, it’s more important for me how it lives here, but it’s true, not a fountain but not a hole. We must engage in improving our country, and not forgive everyone ========= billions of bucks. God is in his soul, everything else is from the evil one.
  24. NordUral
    NordUral April 1 2016 15: 58
    +12
    Dear, what about us atheists? Those who believe not in God, but in Nature and in themselves. In your opinion, we have no place in your harmonious systems of the divine universe.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 16: 06
      +5
      Quote: NordUral
      In your opinion, we have no place in your harmonious systems of the divine universe.

      and to us kylo - and build a channel to them. Patriarch. From HHS to Athos.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 11
      -5
      An atheist, usually lives in a person until a serious diagnosis. When suddenly the end of the path is really seen, then atheism disappears.
      The article, in my opinion, threatens a monograph or even a serious book. Link to one author, to the second, third. Even Gogol touched.
      Not an article, abstract. And where is the scientific work itself?
      1. Lanista
        Lanista April 1 2016 18: 27
        +1
        And where is the scientific work itself?

        In the history of the disease, section "history".
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 April 1 2016 18: 53
          0
          An anamnesis of what?
          Life, disease? A person writes what is boiling. Compressed too much. Through, this is not very good for perception. But from the medical history, there is nothing. So, you are wrong. Maybe you just liked the word "history"?
  25. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 1 2016 16: 07
    +1
    Yes, what can you say about the article?
    It’s easier to be, and look honestly at the device of the country
    To live, each person must have a job that ensures a normal life for him, his family, especially if there are children and his wife is engaged in them, cannot work. This is food, clothing, housing, household items. This is what ensures the citizen’s right to life and is laid down in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    What is there today? The joy of the oligarchs that after the depreciation of the ruble against the dollar, the country has become the cheapest labor? THOSE. if before the depreciation of the ruble, far from everyone could solve the housing problem, now food should be limited, because we have imported goods.
    It is necessary to change the economic model of the country. Stop pumping resources and capital. How can this be done through the creation of cooperative enterprises? This system, if created, without revolutions will ensure a normal life for all those who today are in poverty and suffering hardships, but want and can work.
    About religion. A couple of days ago on the site was a comment by a person who read the bible and was disappointed in religion. He explained that the Old and New Testaments have all the information about the enslavement of man by capital. I have mastered only the gospel.
    And what follows from it: God is the mind, there is such a substance (information-energy field containing the knowledge necessary to maintain a rational life on Earth), not perceived by the human senses (no one has ever seen God), but there is a piece of this mind from each person, and when a person decides the questions of his existence, he takes information from this field. Information comes in the form of an unexpected thought that suggests a way out of the situation. The human body itself is rational, which, in addition to consciousness, protects life. Such a chain from God (Reason) through the channels (holy spirit) to the person goes the necessary information. In the gospel, Jesus calls his followers disciples. And where did the slaves come from in religion then? Remember how Jesus speaks of the Pharisees and scribes who like to recline at meetings, but are ready to take the last coin from a beggar. These are the scribes who, for the sake of those in power, wrote the Old Testament, explaining slavery by religion, so that the people would not complain, also in order to maintain their influence and were the organizers of the murder of Christ. He did not pose a threat to the authorities, the authorities did not find those acts for which he was required to be executed. After the scribes the New Testament was written, which also distorted the essence of the Gospel. From all this it follows that knowledge for man is God's business, people should improve their minds, be reasonable in everything. Not ingenious, but reasonable, live yourself and help others live.
    In general, there is a lot of correctness: there is a condemnation of sodomy, a child has two parents, father and mother, etc.
    It is necessary to cleanse religion from slavery, this is from those scribes who "themselves do not enter and do not enter
    let in. ”The Savior did not consider people to be his slaves, they were disciples.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 1 2016 17: 09
      +2
      You, dear, <Olympias15> quote the apocryphal gospel of the Gnostics. And this heresy has been condemned by both the Orthodox and the Catholic Church. Is God necessary if Truth and Truth exist?
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser April 1 2016 17: 09
      0
      You, dear, <Olympias15> quote the apocryphal gospel of the Gnostics. And this heresy has been condemned by both the Orthodox and the Catholic Church. Is God necessary if Truth and Truth exist?
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 April 1 2016 17: 56
        +2
        I have two editions, one Bible of the book of the Old and New Testaments Canonical 1200 pp. Another book is small.
        But there is no discrepancy between them. I don’t know what is recognized by the churches there.
        But the phrase "In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God." is equally present in both editions. As a person who studied psychology at a university, I know that a person's speech is an indicator of brain function.
        Speech doctors establish the focus of brain damage in strokes, psychiatrists assess the adequacy of the patient’s perception of the world around him.
        This is a very correct interpretation of the manifestation of the mind.
        And the rest of the text in different publications coincides completely.
  26. Pitot
    Pitot April 1 2016 16: 19
    +5
    And it seems to me that we dig deep where it is not necessary to dig at all. All these thoughts about God, etc. People, let us nevertheless be ourselves. I believe in God, but I don’t go to church, I don’t fulfill requirements, I can’t stand modern priests for their impudence, insanity, and lies. In our country, the church is separated from the state, and these frauds climb to where the road is forbidden to them. They generally should not give an assessment of what is happening in Russia and in general in the World. They are separated. And if they get into it, then who are they then? And in general, the people, the only film, an American film, not ours, which I have sunk into my soul, no Not so, sunk into the SHOWER, which crap capitalism as we still cannot with all propaganda - this is the film TRASS 60. Knowing about this movie. I hope that the Bendos and I will wage war and there will be none, and we will find a common language with the Americans. One that simply excludes war from the concept of politics. I hope.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 17
      0
      A set, like, of the right words, but a provocateur, you still can’t get anywhere.
      It happens.
  27. Mr. Corporal
    Mr. Corporal April 1 2016 16: 24
    +6
    I can’t master many letters, so briefly.
    The whole national idea is one question: can I die for this country (naturally defending it)?
    Who should I die for? For a bribe-taking official - no! For a "businessman" - a thief and a swindler - no! For an arrogant "Caucasian" or the same arrogant Russian gopnik who want to "squeeze" your "mobile" in your yard - again, no!
    I am ready to die for a mother, wife, my daughters, for a neighbor's grandmother - yes! But then it turns out that my Third Rome has narrowed to the size of my family ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 17: 03
      +5
      Quote: Mr. Corporal
      The whole national idea is one question: can I die for this country (naturally defending it)?

      The essence is correct, but nevertheless it is somewhat simplified) The article, in principle, is about the disputes of conceptualists about ideology, about a complex of behavioral and ideological systems, I think. Not only "for what to die", more - "for what to live".
      1. Mr. Corporal
        Mr. Corporal April 1 2016 17: 50
        +3
        Of course, simplify. Our people, on the other hand, are simple (but not simple-minded people, as they write below). To drink, to drink, to love, so to love. Or am I wrong? In the name of what to live? Well, definitely not in the name of the Russian Orthodox Church! Or global ideology (as in the USSR). Something I don’t see in our queues for Saturday morning prayers. What is the real ideology to rally 140 million?
        And certainly I do not want to grow old in this country, seeing how our old people live ...
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 17: 21
      -3
      Your world has narrowed to the size of your head, according to your statement. Therefore, you can die only by putting a bullet in your temple. The rest is yours, it's blah, blah, for coots.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 1 2016 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        Therefore, you can die only by putting a bullet in your temple. The rest is yours, it's blah, blah, for coots.

        this, in fact, to what? This is such a boorish psychoanalysis, what?
        Go, darling, past, not up to you.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 April 1 2016 18: 07
          0
          This, you rude dove deign. I live in a free country. If something goes wrong, the moderator will correct me. And, you, and without psychoanalysis are calculated at a time. Pan.
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 1 2016 16: 51
    +3
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    Russia should be the only and not repeatable RUSSIA! And not some Rome there!

    I agree with both hands "For".
    However, if you critically approach the current state of Russia.
    Here is what a Russian patriot, former head of the SVR in 1989-1991, Lieutenant General Leonid Shebarshin said at one time: "Russia is a mighty mountain. But what kind of mice will it give birth to."
    I must admit that Russia is now not completely Russia, but a Russian company, which is managed by a notorious cooperative. While this team is in control, in the future it is not the third Rome, but Muho $ rank, unfortunately.
  29. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 1 2016 16: 55
    +2
    I continue.
    One must live the gospel. This is the stone on which to build society. Remember the parable of the stone. Those who try to ideologically undermine the social foundations will not succeed. A parable in the gospel is enough.
    Understanding God as the Supreme Mind is important to everyone — no one wants to be unreasonable.
    The right to life must be defended, bearing in mind intelligent life. And that phrase, which today is in the Constitution and is not in society.
    The economy should not be built so that the rich grow rich, but so that people work for themselves and support the state. The state must protect the interests of the people - so that people live, raise and feed their children, so that children grow up smart, healthy and strong - others will not be able to protect our country. Without a people there is no state.
    Whatever they say now, but the Russian Federation could not protect the Russians in Ukraine. They both perished, and continue to perish. Having concluded the Minsk agreements, without moving the front line from Donetsk, we allowed to kill people. What were we counting on? The West brought power to the junta on the shoulders of Bandera-this is the fascist henchmen-killers are considered heroes. And it is predicted that the West will not notice the extermination of the people of Donbass. The same Russians live there as we are. Look at Russian surnames, ending mainly in -in, -ov, Ukrainian in -ko, -uk. There are equally many of those in Ukraine and Russia. We are one people, the people who defeated fascism in 1945, the people who together built the Dnieper hydroelectric station and other industrial facilities in Ukraine. Our relatives are tens of millions of people on both sides of the border. So why, the Russian state did not stop this massacre, our people are dying there, they have been dying for two years from the shelling of the Nazis. And the end and edge of this is not visible. Go to the sites of Novorossiya, DPR, Militia reports, there is no truce, there is a war going on. Why not protect? Yes, because the West threatened large Russian business, and so the country is not needed, and its interests, and the Russian Federation has an interest, the country does not need NATO bases to be located there. Businesses are not interested in the fate of people who suffer in Ukraine, they don’t need the Russian people either, they need slaves, robots that will make them rich, mentally limited.
    So it is necessary to change the economic model so that Russia is a sovereign state. I was able to take all measures to protect my interests. Is it not clear to anyone that the West does not need a sovereign Russian state, they need a quasi-state that supplies the resources they need at low prices, for free, or better yet, to pay extra for accepting strategically important resources.
    What is needed for the country must be decided by the people.
  30. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST April 1 2016 17: 24
    +3
    Clericalism in our state has no place and will not be: we must break into the XXII century, and not in the XII.
    In general, playing with irrational ideas is dangerous.
  31. hartlend
    hartlend April 1 2016 18: 32
    0
    What is the article about? In the title of the question, in the article circled, circled about everything and about nothing, in the end is also a question. Type guess yourself. And the last name (or pseudonym) of the author is a little Jewish.
  32. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 1 2016 18: 40
    +2
    I will quote judgment on this topic from Archpriest Arseny, which is described in the book “Father Arseny”.
    Somehow no one paid attention, but by the way a very correct book, and written in a good, accessible language, I recommend reading, it explains a lot.

    Quote: dmi.pris
    The question is not about him, but about the National Idea.
    Well, our Guarantor of Stability clearly answered the question: Vladimir Vladimirovich, what national idea should Russia have? "Hmm, the national idea in Russia should be patriotism, support and strengthening of the state, I don't see any other national idea." Something like this ... Such are our national ideas now ... with the return of part of Vasilyeva's property, the non-sitting Seryudka and Gutseriev's wedding ...
  33. Bizer
    Bizer April 1 2016 18: 47
    +3
    Moscow is the third Rome? This is a distant past. Since Ivan 3 was married to the niece of the last Byzantine Emperor, much has changed to this day. For faith, for the king, for the fatherland! For motherland for Stalin! Now the true faithful remains the FATHERLAND. Serving the Fatherland is devoted and selfless, that’s what is now needed! For the Motherland, for the Fatherland!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 1 2016 19: 27
      +1
      For the Motherland! For Stalin! This, yes, this, you have correctly said. It turns out that if there were no Stalin, then there would already be no homeland. How lucky the Motherland was that he was in the most difficult time for her.
      And, in my opinion, nothing has changed since the time of Ivan III. "To the third Rome, stand ..."
  34. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 1 2016 20: 32
    +1
    "The state of agreement with God" is certainly cool, but this is the only thing in which one can agree with the author.
    Everything else written is a state of secondary and sinfulness, eternally inspired by the church to its parishioners.

    Well, with sinfulness, it has long become clear that this is a convenient lever for influencing a person - one who agrees with his own original sinfulness easily begins to call himself a slave (first God, and then a slave to the powerful of this world).

    But on the secondary I would like to dwell in more detail. The slogan “Moscow - Third Rome” placed in the title has long been perceived on the machine. Without comprehension. But “Moscow is the Third Rome” is a direct indication that the Orthodox consider themselves the successors of the first two: Rome and Constantinople. And what made these two first Romes so famous? Virtues? Maybe some kind of special humanism? Some super-useful accomplishments for humanity?
    Perhaps this was the case, but in such a small amount that in history these two Romes remained as places where bloodthirsty, treacherous, predatory, greedy, cruel and depraved people lived and ruled. Moreover, all these qualities were cultivated by all walks of life.
    Could these two first Romes have been especially righteous in the Christian faith? You can’t say the same. The second Rome-Constantinople generally shamefully ended its existence as the center of Orthodoxy - by signing the Union of Florence with the Catholics.

    So what are they encouraging us to become?

    And in general - why should Russia be the third "something out there", and not the FIRST?
    Why should Russia continue one's traditions, and not its own?


    "Didn't come out with a snout" to have something of your own?

    Or are there no minds of their own? Or maybe such lovers to continue someone’s traditions as the author do not give way to their own minds?
  35. LCA
    LCA April 1 2016 20: 50
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    Russian civilizational idea of ​​global significance.

    Now the Russian civilizational idea of ​​global significance - the Concept of public safety in its development - is expressed in the Russian language, while the West has reached its civilizational ideals (the cult of hedonism that won in their societies, i.e.
    heterogeneous pleasures, recklessly, regardless of the damage done to other people, peoples, Nature, ourselves) and began to reap the benefits of this achievement in the form of biological degeneration and cultural degradation of the population.

    In this process, the West, being the conduit of globalization on the basis of a biblical project, strives to involve the rest of the world, which is unacceptable to all any thinking people both outside the range of Western civilization and in countries of the West itself. Therefore, the West still has to suffer a complete and irrevocable collapse in the Cold War that it has launched against the human race and Russian civilization.

    Justice in the Russian understanding is the non-peaceful, God-predetermined ideal of human life, called the words "Kingdom of God on Earth."

    The idea that makes up the meaning of life in Russian civilization is the idea of ​​justice in society, when everyone lives in good conscience, i.e. all are free and no one can become an enslaver and oppressor of others, no matter what office he occupies or whatever business he does. An objection may be raised that this idea is common to all peoples.

    But this is not at all true, since in the Russian understanding justice is a kind of non-peaceable God predetermined - an ideal that must be known by man and embodied in the life of this world.

    Real life can be arbitrarily far from this ideal, which, however, does not make this ideal unauthorized, unrealizable, but only exposes the sinfulness of people who failed to realize it.

    And besides:
    Only in the Russian language the word "freedom" can be interpreted as an abbreviation: With the name of the Government of God GOD.

    And in the Western sense, justice is an unscrupulous justification for the historically established order of things; justification of the past as the process that gave rise to this present, and trends bearing the future.

    And where and how does “order” arise, justified by the worldly wisdom of this world; what morality and ethics are expressed in it - Western intellectuals are not interested ... And from the point of view of philosophy, justifications for this order are wrong, except for the West, which is faultless in its “development”.

    At the same time, in Europe and in the states of other regions of the planet there is a certain social base awaiting the implementation of the Russian globalization project, which is capable of expanding and intensifying. And for this it is necessary to implement the Russian project of multinational globalization on the basis of the implementation of the objective, God-predefined principles of justice.

    Regardless of whether certain principles are proclaimed or not proclaimed in public policy openly, but for their implementation in society there is already adequate knowledge and a certain subculture of carriers of this knowledge and practitioners acting in the life of society based on it has developed and continues to develop. In Russia this is now taking place.

    On the embodiment of the principles of justice, the Public Safety Concept (BER) is oriented.
  36. LCA
    LCA April 1 2016 20: 55
    0
    Unifying is the Idea of ​​creating the Kingdom of God on Earth through the efforts of people themselves in God's guidance.

    In it, none of the people will be a slave to the other, no one will oppress and tyrannize others, and everyone will live freely, developing their personal development potential, based on dialogue with God (and not faith in God) through life.

    The future is realized not according to the proclaimed ideals, but according to the real morality of people, which controls the entire mental activity of individuals and collectives.

    If morality prevailing in society does not change, then the sequence “past - present - future” really closes in the ring. And these rings are infernal circles of endless torment on Earth.

    At the beginning of XXI, Russia again faces the need for a new cultural transformation, but this time more grandiose and hitherto unknown to all the peoples of the planet Earth.

    Its essence lies in moral transformation, which is possible provided that reasoning on the authority of traditions, scriptures and leaders gives way to a culture of feelings and thinking, which will enable each individual to become a person. And this process has begun in Russia.

    Therefore, the future development of mankind lies precisely in the mainstream of high morality, justice and righteousness, although there are still many difficulties to overcome.
  37. Mentat
    Mentat April 2 2016 13: 16
    0
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    One of the possible concepts: The Fall of the "Pink World"

    This is just one of the impossible concepts. This is a dead end path in perspective.