"These names are defended by those who wish evil to Russia"

Famous writer Vladimir Krupin hopes that the Patriarch’s speech at the Moscow City Duma will affect the renaming of the Voykovskaya metro station, named after the regicide ...

As reported, yesterday His Holiness Patriarch Kirill spoke in the Moscow City Duma at the invitation of deputies. In particular, the Primate of the Russian Church declared: “It is impossible that in the city, in our toponymy, the names of criminals and terrorists be preserved. I mean Voykov. This survey was completely unprofessional. Nobody could track anything - how many times who, what buttons pressed. ”

Vladimir Krupin, a well-known Russian writer, co-chairman of the Writers Union of Russia, argues in an interview with the Russian Folk Line, about how long our toponymy will be desecrated by the names of the terrorists and executioners of the Russian people.

Thank God that His Holiness Patriarch Kirill has joined the question that has long tormented the hearts of the Orthodox. He spoke with all clarity and certainty. But how can you walk down the street the killers of your people? How can you live quietly near the metro station "Voikovskaya", if it is known that Voikov is a murderer ?! For example, would someone like the Chikatilo metro station?

I am now in Vyatka, where there is a monstrous number of names in honor of the murderers - the streets of Lenin, Marx and other executioners flooded our favorite city. And Kirov had arms to elbow blood. Now, either the people are stupid, or they are justified by the fact that they are already accustomed to living in Kirov. For example, a certain lady says that if the former name of the city, Vyatka, is returned, she will not get married, men will supposedly consider her a Vyatka fool. But you can also be a fool of Kirov.

Why are we used to? There is a feeling that indifference to their homeland affects this issue. These names are defended by those to whom they are dear, who wish Russia every kind of evil, namely, the fifth column. How they poor will be hard on the Last Judgment.

We will wait for something to change by Easter. It would be nice to rename the station "Voikovskaya" in "All Saints".

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

"it will not be possible to get married, supposedly men will consider her a Vyatka fool."
Now who is she considered?

[Vend]

As I understand it, the world in Russia is worth someone across. Again a civil war was required, between the champions of the Reds and the Whites. This is like introducing discord into Russian society. So far, only two important topics can lead to a civil war: the theme of the 1917 revolution of the year — for and against, and the theme of the USSR — for and against. These two topics are intensely exaggerated by the enemies of Russia. It's time to stop verbiage and start living in modern Russia. But history must remain history, it is necessary to learn from its mistakes. Do not return what is already a thing of the past.

[Guardsman]

History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

When Stalin visited his mother the first thing she asked him - is there Tsar’s blood on him

[Kostyar]

Some kind of dill repeater ....?!
This Medvedev loves to create the appearance of work, time zones, police, police and other such crap ..... Money is nothing more to spend, budget ....?!

py.sy.: and vaabsche, you can look at it: not as an honor, but as a reminder of the past!

[antoXa]

I put the minus article.
There are many bloody spots in our history, it so happened that our history is full of severe upheavals, wars and blood. And Voikov (Weiner) is also part of the history of our country, a history that needs to be known, and not deleted.
Tomorrow others will come and start looking for blood on someone else's hands. All my childhood I went to school, which was located on Flerova Street, the street was named after the hero of the Great Patriotic War, the commander of the Katyusha field rocket artillery battery, but isn't there blood on his hands? There is, of course, and for someone he is a Hero, but for someone he will be a killer. This is a very thin line and you need to be careful with this.

[Guardsman]

Do not confuse the blood on the sleeves of the surgeon with the blood on the sleeves of the executioner
P.A. Stolypin

So Voikov is a typical executioner who fulfilled the order of one of the odious banking houses, it was not for nothing that later IS Stalin cleaned up this Leninist comprador "guard" for a long time and stubbornly, with varying success.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Guardsman

So Voikov is a typical executioner, ....

A. Stolypin? Have you heard about "Stolypin's tie"?
"Famous writer Vladimir Krupin hopes that the Patriarch’s speech at the Moscow City Duma will affect the renaming of the Voykovskaya metro station, named after the regicide ..."
The king signed the abdication on March 2.
"The first official solemn meeting of the Holy Synod after the overthrow of the monarchy took place on March 4. It was chaired by Metropolitan Vladimir of Kiev (Epiphany) and was attended by the new Synodal Chief Prosecutor ...
... The next day, March 5, the Synod ordered that in all the churches of the Diocese of Petrograd the reigning house for many years "was not proclaimed from now on."
http://maxpark.com/user/1533472929/content/966854
How is the anointed one being fashionable nowadays? First?

[the polar]

Moscow, metro station Arbatskaya. The stucco collapsed and Stalin peered out from under it. Not 1 April.
Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/73432-v-moskovskom-metro-obvalilas-shtukaturka-i-iz
-pod-nee-vyglyanul-stalin.html

[Wheel]

Quote: Tatiana

but serves Satan!

And it serves those who pay.

[Weyland]

Quote: There was a mammoth

How is the anointed one being fashionable nowadays? First?

Handed over. The first ones. And they paid for the betrayal - in full: by the end of 1918 out of 360 thousand Russian priests only 40 thousand were alive. From His servants, the Lord is asking how sterner he is, than with the laity ...

[Wheel]

Quote: Weyland

out of 360 thousand Russian priests

Hto more?
On page 113 of the "Russian calendar for 1917" (Petrograd, Typ. T-va A. Suvorin, Novoye Vremya, 1916), the following data are given: "as of January 1, 1915, 112629 clergy lived throughout the territory of the Russian Empire, of of them priests - 51105 people, deacons - 15035 and psalm-readers - 46489. "

Quote: Weyland

only 40 thousand survived.

And yes, today in the database of the institute “New Martyrs, Confessors, for Christ suffered during the years of persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church in the XX century.” - 33171 name, including those who were released in connection with the dismissal and lack of evidence.

[cdrt]

Quote: There was a mammoth

A. Stolypin? Have you heard about "Stolypin's tie"?

If the Stolypin tie had been put on the same number of revolutionaries that the Reds had worn in a month, then there would have been no revolution due to the physical disappearance of the Bolsheviks.

[Corsair5912]

The Bolsheviks did not commit any revolution; study the history of Russia.
The February revolution of 1917 began spontaneously with the bread riot in St. Petersburg, the police began to beat women who smashed the bakery, the recovering war veterans from hospitals joined them, and Peter’s military garrison joined them.
It was not the Bolsheviks who forced the tsar to sign the tsar, but the generals and deputies of the State Duma, the Bolsheviks were not even there.
In October 1917, power in Russia passed not to the Bolsheviks, but to the 2 All-Russian Congress of Workers, Peasants, Soldiers and Cossack Deputies, an equivalent alternative to the Constituent Assembly at which the Bolsheviks had no advantage.
In the first government of the SNK of the RSFSR, the elected congress was not only the Bolsheviks, but also the anarchists, Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries.
The Bolsheviks took power in the summer of 1918, after the Socialist-Revolutionary rebellion and the intervention of the ANTANT countries coordinated with it, etc. etc.

[the polar]

Quote: Guardsman

not without reason then did I.S. Stalin cleanse for a long time and persistently,

You do not cover your stupidity and ignorance with Stalin, but rather engage in self-education.

[cdrt]

Quote: Guardsman

So Voikov is a typical executioner

Even in Moscow there is Kedrova Street - that generally a maniac killer and pedophile. The organizer of the first concentration camps and massacres, such as Zemlyachka and B. Kun.
Also, at one time, thank God, they let him under the knife under Beria.
But the street with the name of this nits remained.

[Good cat]

The blood on his hands is the blood of the enemy who came to us with a sword!

[the polar]

So, according to the priest's understanding, only the bloody ghouls Yeltsin and Gaidar, who during the years of "perestroika" shed rivers of blood and killed millions, can they fence idolatrous temples?
Here pop Cyril and once again showed his Russophobic essence.

[the polar]

It would be necessary to check this priest Kiryuhu for whom he works, stubbornly inciting social and interreligious hatred.
It would be better to get involved in church pedophiles, if it was very combed

[Avantageur]

Quote: Polar

It would be necessary to check this priest Kiryuhu for whom he works, stubbornly inciting social and interreligious hatred.
It would be better to get involved in church pedophiles, if it was very combed

These pagan Christians crawl into all the cracks, ringing with their censes ... The Slavs warmed up, the Gundyaevskaya snake on their chest ... At this rate, the priests will soon begin to arrange crusades against the "infidels" ...

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[Now we are free]

Those who wish Russia evil today DO IT OPEN. We have today, no matter how strange and funny it would be to say real democracy (better than the one that reigns in the US and EU) about the Eastern countries generally keep quiet. Navalny, Shendorovich, Svanidzy, and other "Ksyushadi" openly and without hesitation speak from TV screens and radio broadcasts about their attitude towards Russia, oh, excuse me for the country of their temporary stay ... Surganovs, Makarevichs, Akhedzhakovs and others give concerts throughout Russia while repenting (For us Russians) in front of the "whole world" especially in front of the collaborationist country that was once called Ukraine ... AND NONE of them are sent to the gulags because of their beliefs, they are not deprived of their property and are not expelled from the country, ANYONE. Any adequate and politically neutral person will doubt whether it’s so ... in Russia with its "Authoritarian Putin regime"? ..

Because of the above, I, as a former moderate oppositionist, renounced this community, who calls itself the "Opposition", who spit with its impotent and stinking anger into the country (cross out) the Motherland. Yes, there are many thieves and "DB" in power today, unfortunately, BUT this does not mean that we should slide into marginal Russophobia (which we have witnessed over the past three years), seeing illustrative examples among celebrities and former "Idols".

Why such a comment on the article? Moreover, the article itself speaks of the enemies of the Russian people and further on the list: Lenin, Kirov, (God forgive me) Marx, etc. .... As director Vladimir Menshov correctly said - Denial of the Soviet (de-communization) is the first step towards Russophobia ... Examples? Yes Easy! Abroad: Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, here are examples of how the "Battles with monuments" to Soviet wars / figures grew into fierce Russophobia ...
Inside the country, everyone knows the personalities who in the 90s triumphantly jumped on the remnants of a great (maybe for some cruel) empire. These same personalities and their grown offsprings you can now observe in the front ranks of Russophobes in the country today ...

[Now we are free]

He himself was able to attend a meeting of students of nuclear scientists with Patriarch Kirill back in 2009. he made a very favorable impression on me personally: attentive to all the little things, communicating with everyone on equal terms and at the same time not shaking his status, a man with a lively mind and excellent understanding of young people, not only giving really wise answers regarding such things as the Internet, the nuclear industry etc...
In this regard, it was very unpleasant to watch the scandal "With the missing watch" as well as to listen to such ("DB") figures as "Chaplin" who were the mouthpieces of the Russian Orthodox Church. This all cast a very nasty shadow on the ROC and personally on Cyril, but religion in Russia and in Russia has always served, serves and will serve as a spiritual bond, which sometimes means even more than the official policy of the state. Now (as we can see in the article) the Russian Orthodox Church is starting a "witch hunt" in the person of long-dead Soviet leaders. Guys, does it look like anything ??? I will tell you one country to look at (West of us). Does the ROC have any other business? Maybe they decided to take part in the mainstream / special Olympiad -Who will rename more "Soviet" streets, metro stations, cities? I congratulate the Russian Orthodox Church. Your rivals in this "Difficult" case will be: Fascists, Bendera, Russophobes and people simply deprived of the brain ...

One good acquaintance told me -You know, not an atheist, BUT I am a CHURCH ATHEIST. To communicate with God, I do not need intermediaries, and even more so when, for communication with God, thieving, selfish marginals offer their services to me for money ...
I REALLY hope that the number of people like my acquaintance will not grow BUT judging by what the ROC has been declaring and doing in recent years, the number of such people, educated, honest, not used to making a deal with their own conscience, will grow! The Church and the Patriarch personally must set an example of how to live / go through life (and by no means indulge in idleness, verbiage and "Witch Hunt") at such a difficult moment for the country and the people of Russia.
The people are seemingly silent, but not because they are stupid (as they used to think on the sidelines of power) but because they are wise and see everything ... Like God, it’s not in vain that the proverb says -God is not Yermoshka, he sees a little! ..

[neo.]

Quote: Now we are free

Does the ROC have any other business? Maybe you decided to take part in the mainstream / special Olympiad -Who will rename more "Soviet" streets, metro stations, cities? I congratulate the Russian Orthodox Church. Your rivals in this "Difficult" case will be: Fascists, Bendera, Russophobes and people simply deprived of the brain ...

I share your opinion. And if this precedent happens, there will certainly be an avalanche of attacks by "These" on other names (streets, cities, ...). In such a swamp of discord will be drawn. that is what the current NovoDVORNIKI are trying to achieve.

PS: I watched D. Kiselyov on the issue of renaming Voikovskaya after the Muscovites (majority) voted against.
He so vividly described how Voikov and Co. killed the imperial family, almost for several days they dissolved corpses in acid (for some reason ?!).
And everything was based on the testimonial notes of the traitor who emigrated for the cordon, who was threatened with execution (I don’t remember anyone), who was sponsored (given for food) by the bourgeoisie for pouring mud on Russia (doesn’t it remind anyone of the current?)

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Now we are free

The Church and the Patriarch personally must set an example of how to live / go through life (and by no means indulge in idleness, verbiage and "Witch Hunt") at such a difficult moment for the country and the people of Russia.

I do not understand why the Russian Orthodox Church creeps into worldly affairs?
Obscurantism, however, grows stronger.

[Guardsman]

"BRAVO" they are happy to applaud you, you do their work for them

[owl]

Quote: Guardsman

"BRAVO" they are happy to applaud you, you do their work for them

Fiercely throw these feces at people who think differently than you?!, But in the process of God-pleasing deed you did not notice that you yourself were head over heels in the village of Herma

[Guardsman]

Fiercely throw these feces at people thinking differently than you?!,

yes it’s full of you;

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Guardsman

"BRAVO" they are happy to applaud you, you do their work for them

As far as I can see, these persons are just kindly treated by the authorities, just like a certain Mr. Gundyaev.
Are you trying to "pull an owl on the globe"

[Guardsman]

Well, what else can you expect smart from phantomas, you have a mind exactly on a comic book in the style of alatan

[Guardsman]

The sect of representatives of neoliberals, together with the communes where in action, found a common enemy and atu, well, what is not new under the moon, as Carlos Markosian said - "the unity and struggle of opposites", the main enemy is to pick up a non-biting one, Orthodox tea is not Muslims - the head will remain in place, so that you play the role of a pug

[RUSS]

Quote: Now we are free

Denial of the Soviet (de-communization) is the first step towards Russophobia ..

Too clumsy and simple, that is, if we deny EVERYTHING that is Soviet, then I agree this is on the verge of paranoia, but what about a partial denial of the Soviet? It turns out "semi-Russophobe"?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: RUSS

but what about a partial denial of the Soviet? It turns out "semi-Russophobe"?

If you "partially deny" the basic principles of building Soviet society, then you are a real complete Russophobe. It is possible to disagree with certain points, but it was in Soviet times that the Russian people were at the peak of their development.

[vlad_vlad]

how UTB you easily equated Russia with the Soviet system!
But what about the 1000 years of Russian history before? were all Russophobes? But what about the whole white movement? Russophobes too? today? there is no socialism in Russia now - you want to say that the whole government and the president are Russophobes? You have a very wide swing ...

I understand that there are many Communists / Stalinists on the site. But there was life in Russia before them, there will be after.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vlad_vlad

how is that

I explain to the publishers. The leaders of the RSDLP (VKPb, KPSS) are criminals> the Soviet system is criminal> treaties with the USSR, USSR regulations are criminal> revision of the results of World War II> territorial claims> reparations> hello the State Department> civil war> external control. Is it so nice?

[vlad_vlad]

no. You have a mistake in every step of the reasoning. how exactly do you imagine? Do we have "hello to the State Department" now? "Civil War"? or are you calling for this to return socialism?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vlad_vlad

You have a mistake in every step of the argument.

Justify

Quote: vlad_vlad

Do we have "hello to the State Department" now? "Civil War"?

Now not, but the USSR has not yet been recognized as criminal. There was an attempt, but it carried

[vlad_vlad]

according to your logic:
Suvorov -> not a socialist -> Russophobe
Denikin -> not a socialist -> Russophobe
More examples to give?

Enough to reduce the entire 1000-year history of Russia to 70 years of Soviet power! Russia is much more and more diverse.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vlad_vlad

according to your logic:

No, this is according to your logic. Suvorov, could not deny the Soviet system, since it did not exist yet. As for Denikin, cooperation with the "allies" in WWI clearly does not count. However, well done, that at least under the Germans did not go, in contrast to other "Russophiles" like Shkuro and Krasnov.

Quote: vlad_vlad

Enough to reduce the entire 1000-year history of Russia to 70 years of Soviet power!

This is exactly the opposite. 70 years of peace are not given to wrestlers with Soviet values. But we still calmly treat Ivan the Terrible, Peter, Catherine, Alexander 3 ...

[vlad_vlad]

here we are of a completely different opinion.

But here is what I do not understand - you (the Communists) have been trying since 1996 to actively return to power. Well, good - Yeltsin spread rot. Well then? What have you achieved since 2000? Well, most people do not want to vote for you. UTB what does it mean that most of Russia-Russophobia? or most of your ideas do not like?

You have a chance - elections are coming soon.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vlad_vlad

Well, most people do not want to vote for you.

You might think for Edro people want to vote!
I don’t know a single living person who would have given a voice for them. So do not excuse yourself about "most" of Russia. How to count, my friend. In any case, my personal convictions do not prevent me from calmly treating the pre-communist past. I don’t know what you want to do.

[owl]

Quote: vlad_vlad

We have now

Who do you have it with?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vlad_vlad

You have a mistake in every step of the argument.

Yanukovych is a criminal> Ukraine is a corrupt state> denunciation of treaties with Russia> civil war> external control. Simplified diagram

[tolian]

Can you imagine a non-Stalinist communist? Is it difficult or impossible?

[owl]

Quote: tolian

Can you imagine a non-Stalinist communist? Is it difficult or impossible?

For example, I can name five "currents"
1 Marxism-Leninism
2 Trotskyism
3 Anarcho-Marxism (Old Man Makhno for example)
4 Stalinism
5 Communist currents of the agrarian sector based on Maoism (Khmer Rouge)

[Weyland]

Quote: tolian

Can you imagine a non-Stalinist communist?

Like two fingers. Trotskyite, Maoist (however, Mao, in fact, is also a Trotskyist ... and even Commander Che, to be honest ...)

[cdrt]

Quote: vlad_vlad

how UTB you easily equated Russia with the Soviet system!

Well, they cannot openly admit that the red IS, which seized power in Russia at one time, did not set as its purpose to strangle the Russian people, which they did beautifully.
So they attach their red killers to the Russian people and their achievements.

[Now we are free]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Now we are free

Denial of the Soviet (de-communization) is the first step towards Russophobia ..

Too clumsy and simple, that is, if we deny EVERYTHING that is Soviet, then I agree this is on the verge of paranoia, but what about a partial denial of the Soviet? It turns out "semi-Russophobe"?

Greetings Maxim
In life, there is no everything absolutely black as well as everything absolutely white, everywhere there are spots of black or white ... The question is (if we speak from Menshov's quote) precisely in the negation of certain characters from "Ust" that are present on film and television in considerable quantities. By the way, almost all of these characters are Russophobes. I do not generalize, just all the names of such "Characters" are already known by the whole country, as well as their quotes, memes and songs ...

With regards to you, the average Russian citizen, let you condemn the gulags, shootings, deportations, but you do not deny victory in the Second World War? You do not deny free education in the USSR, leadership in the space sector, etc. Why? Because you love your country / Motherland, and she, like you, had mistakes and wrong actions in her life, do you say that you are guilty before everyone and everything for living in this world from 1999-2016? This is our story ITS need to remember and learn from HER LESSONS but to live wed ... ad infinitum about the role of the USSR, this is a path to nowhere ... There was both good and bad and the same "Bloody USSR" saved the world from Nazism and launched man into space, in it I received a good free education in it "Bloody USSR" did not close the front doors of the apartments and this fact I am not going to deny ...

[cdrt]

Quote: Now we are free

In life there is never everything absolutely black, like everything absolutely white

Take, for example, German Nazism and its policy of destroying the mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews.
What was white there?

[Mareman Vasilich]

Which ones?

[Vend]

Quote: Guardsman

History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

What does a stinking name mean? Any ruler can be brought under this bar starting from Prince Bus and Radogast. Ivan the Terrible is being poured with mud, and yet he destroyed far fewer people than the same Maria Medici. Prince Vladimir can also be muddy for destroying the religion of his ancestors. And if it weren’t for Stalin, it’s not a fact that Russia would now be. And so it can be said of all historical figures. There are no stinking names in history. There are deeds of people who left their mark on history. Not names should be considered, but deeds. This is our story. And she will forever remain ours.
PS. And those who want to change their historical heritage can move to another country. Now there is no interference. Some did just that, now they ask for it back

[Gray brother]

Quote: Guardsman

History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

Voting was held among residents of Moscow and the people voted against renaming. The question is closed.
Patriarch Kirill can even connect, even disconnect - he also had the opportunity to vote (of course, if he is the owner of a Moscow residence permit).

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Guardsman
History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

Voting was held among residents of Moscow and the people voted against renaming. The question is closed.
Patriarch Kirill can even connect, even disconnect - he also had the opportunity to vote (of course, if he is the owner of a Moscow residence permit

the Russian Orthodox Church has become too much in worldly affairs, small churches and churches are much more trustworthy than these pokatushki displays when the movement is paralyzed ... It may not be good to say so, but it seems that the Russian Orthodox Church as the CPSU begins to impose its opinion as the only right . About renaming - China is close by, a very diligent student, draws conclusions from other people's mistakes. They have the name Mao for criticism - a taboo, and they do not take down the monuments to him, although how much blood is on him? What about the name of Stalin? Nothing! Lenin ruled, if I may say so for several years, and even then it’s not a fact - about the last years, but is still present at the Square at all parades and processions. I do not urge to rename, although Stalingrad is a name that speaks to the whole world more than Volgograd and the Battle of Stalingrad will never be renamed the Volgograd or the battle on the Volga! But the Stalin Museum should be created, with all the achievements and shortcomings, only without liberalistic emotions, I just want to know more about that time, since in Soviet times his name was deleted from history ... And I would also like to conduct a survey about Are you interested in the center of Yeltsin with its slippers and a copy of the contract in Belovezhskaya Pushcha or the Stalin Museum?

[Weyland]

Quote: Gray Brother

Voting was held among residents of Moscow and the people voted against renaming. The question is closed.

Of course - "millions of flies cannot be wrong!"
The opinion of the majority does not reflect the truth - it reflects only the opinion of the majority (c)

[Wheel]

Quote: Weyland

Of course - "millions of flies cannot be wrong!"
The opinion of the majority does not reflect the truth - it reflects only the opinion of the majority (c)

Yes Yes Yes! Sex minorities also support you!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Weyland

Of course - "millions of flies cannot be wrong!"

Are you talking about compatriots like that? Very liberal

Quote: Weyland

The opinion of the majority does not reflect the truth - it reflects only the opinion of the majority (c)

And whose quote is that? Who is this genius? Isn't Shenderovich by chance?

[Weyland]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Are you talking about compatriots like that? Very liberal

I’m talking about the Communists — since, according to the teachings of their leaders, they don’t have a nationality! I am a convinced imperialist, monarchist and Orthodox- so I hate liberalists to the same extent!
But I don’t remember the author of the quote, but what’s not a democrat is clear from the text!

[ARES623]

Quote: Guardsman

History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names
When Stalin visited his mother the first thing she asked him - is there Tsar’s blood on him

In history, there are almost no unequivocal figures to whom everyone at all times would have treated equally positively. Following the proposed logic, it is easy to come to the practice of Americans and simply number the streets, so we will please everyone at once.

[AlexSK]

In general, if we consider the events of history from the point of view of criminal law, then this is a network of monstrous crimes. In my opinion, history should be treated as a scientific entomologist who examines insects under a small microscope, these are the ones that are doing it, others are protecting there, etc. etc. Well, if we consider this or that historical person as a spherical horse in a vacuum, then it will probably be, for some it will consist entirely of shortcomings, and for someone, it will be purely of positive aspects (depends on personal sympathies and political preferences). They lived at that time and acted, one way or another, based on historical realities. Of course, I'm not talking about outright crimes and criminal anti-human regimes such as the fascism of their accomplices, etc.

[vladimirw]

Did you personally attend the conversation?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Guardsman

History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

I'm doing ...

[your1970]

"When Stalin visited his mother, the first thing she asked him was if he had the Tsar's blood on him"

I don’t know where this quote came from and how much you can trust it (rather, this is a historical story), but vague doubts torment me:
The Caucasus, with all due respect to elders and parents, remained wild enough at that time, and a woman (even a mother) would hardly have bothered with such questions to a man. It’s not her business to have a showdown with enemies, but the tsar is the enemy of her son! and she knew this. In addition, the Caucasus was pacified quite recently at that time and she could not have any love for the king, moreover, there could even be some pride in her son: my son killed the king himself !!!
Psychologically, the whole quote doesn’t go to that setting and those people ...

[RUSS]

Quote: your1970

When Stalin visited his mother, the first thing she asked him was if he had the Tsar's blood on him "

Stalin's mother, until the end of her life, regretted that her Joseph did not become a priest.

[Corsair5912]

The distortion of history leads to mass insanity, the brutality of the population and the insignificance of the state, for example: 3-th Reich 1933-1945 years, Bandera-fascist Ukraine 2013 -? years and others

The angry fools are freaking out
Always ready to crush and break,
They can’t build something with their hands,
And nothing can be created.

Their ancestors destroyed crosses and domes,
And Lenin in the Mausoleum interferes with them,
All their breed is stupid and evil,
For thousands of centuries, they have not become smarter.

It’s not a monument for nods,
Not for prayers, for memory erected,
Not holiness, but history
When will this fools befall?

[perm23]

You are right, I agree completely. This is a story and it is not necessary today, sitting in the apartment at the computer, to decide who and how was right or not. There is nothing to do, we decided to launch the Ukrainian bacillus. Rename, demolish. Some suffer from idleness and bad money.

[dmi.pris1]

What is the name of the metro station, it’s not cold or hot .. With your current education, you ask thirty year olds and younger who is Voikov? At best, they will say that the astronaut .. But there is a memorial in Russia according to the fate of which the people will tell you to demolish and forget (with the exception of the Orthodox part of the memorial). This is the Katyn memorial in Smolensk ..

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Wend

Again a civil war was required, between the champions of the Reds and the Whites. This is like introducing discord into Russian society. So far, only two important topics can lead to a civil war: the theme of the 1917 revolution of the year — for and against, and the theme of the USSR — for and against.

Oh well them in FIG! Now they will begin to demolish the monuments to Lenin, then they will come up with lustration ... Winds from Svidomlyandii breathed, or what?

In Madrid, they say, over the past 400 years, not a single street has been renamed - and in Madrid there were reasons to rename the streets - great! And the Valley of the Fallen there too - everyone is buried in a row. Republicans, phalangists and others - almost 35 thousand. Together. This is an act of reconciliation!

And we have as a new government-so let's rename, demolish, break ... They can’t do smarter things, and they are struggling

Collective farm Red Sickle or the village of Mindyukino?

[reservist]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And we have as a new government-so let's rename, demolish, break ...

The fragmentary base of the monument is crushed,
Howls steel jackhammers.
Cool special cement mortar
It was designed for thousands of centuries.

It’s so fast the recount time,
And so the current lesson is clear:
Excessive care for eternity -
She, in fairness, is not for the future.

But how the stones clasped tightly,
Break them down by force - give out seven pots.
Excessive care for oblivion
Considerable work is also required.

Everything in the world made by hands,
Hands to force to scrape.
But the fact is that the stone itself -
He is neither good nor evil.

1981 year. Twardowski A.T.

[asadov]

I agree completely. What will change from renaming? Other people will live, take up the mind? What has changed from renaming the police to the police? NOTHING. Just to this noise, people did their thing.
And he would advise the Patriarch to first understand the church matters.

[Bacha]

Herney engaged like Svidomo! You might think we have no more problems. Itches to rename, rename the city back to Stalingrad, the whole world knows it. And not inside the country to arrange srach. And all over the world they will remember that in Russia there is still such a city, maybe some of the imperial ambitions will diminish.

[vladimirw]

Agree to 110%.
Voikov may have participated in the execution of the tsar, the former tsar, the tsar, who abdicated the throne, from his backgammon, deserted during the war.
But Voikov died at the hands of the White Guard terrorists in a military diplomatic post, defending the interests of his homeland!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: vladimirw

Voikov may have participated in the execution of the tsar, the former tsar, king who abdicatedfrom his people

That’s it ... It is by definition no longer king. Not a monarch, not a leader of the country. None. That's why power was given to him from God (ha ha !!!) so that he would live by the king and die by the king. And in Yekaterinburg, they did not shoot the king, but a deserter with his family. And to become a saint, as the Russian Orthodox Church blinded him, he has exactly the same rights as any other who died in a Civil family ... Humanly, maybe his family is sorry, but just as much as everyone else ...

[Weyland]

Quote: vladimirw

But Voikov died at the hands of the White Guard terrorists in a military diplomatic post, defending the interests of his homeland!

Do not distort! Coverda shot him precisely in revenge for regicide, and not because he defended the interests of his homeland in a military diplomatic post! Negative!

[Altona]

Quote: Wend

As I understand it, the world in Russia is worth someone across. Again a civil war was required, between the champions of the Reds and the Whites. This is like introducing discord into Russian society.

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And as I understand it, someone wants to put the throne in the Kremlin again, and "anoint the kingdom" of the next monarch. Again these monarchical nonsense about the vale of our Russian and the need to take the all-powerful path at the head of the Slavic kingdoms. We drove it like a century ago. Tsarism and capitalism do not live in one bundle.

[Senior manager]

He lives, I think, and lives normally. It is you who tremble - the KING, but in fact the head of the whole state. Some kind of word game. Which is what our President does (the king’s functions). The unity of command in the armed forces is also from there. As far as I see, the system of one boss and one responsible is the most effective - over everything and for everything. And try to figure out who really rules in Fashington, with such a kaleidoscope of people in power, and you will find out that this is some kind of stable formation (the same king). Something like this.

[Altona]

Quote: St. Propulsion

He lives, I think, and lives normally. It is you who tremble - the KING, but in fact the head of the whole state. Some kind of word game. Which is what our President does (the king’s functions). The unity of command in the armed forces is also from there. As far as I see, the system of one boss and one responsible is the most effective - over everything and for everything. And try to figure out who really rules in Fashington, with such a kaleidoscope of people in power, and you will find out that this is some kind of stable formation (the same king). Something like this.

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All this is described in a short aphorism of the KGB Major General Shebarshin: "The advantage of a dictatorship over democracy is that you are dealing with one swindler instead of several."

[your1970]

"Tsarism and capitalism do not live in one bundle."
Well, you are fundamentally wrong, and still happily living. The birthplace of capitalism as such is Britain, and who rules it? Right - the queen ....

Here is a list of states with a monarchical system and territories under their crown:
Europe
* Andorra - co-princes Nicolas Sarkozy (with 2007) and Joan Enric Vives-i-Sicily (c 2003)
* Belgium - King Albert II (with 1993)
* Vatican - Pope Benedict XVI (with 2005)
* UK - Queen Elizabeth II (with 1952)
* Denmark - Queen Margrethe II (with 1972)
* Spain - King Juan Carlos I (with 1975)
* Liechtenstein - Prince Hans-Adam II (with 1989)
* Luxembourg - Grand Duke Henri (with 2000)
* Monaco - Prince Albert II (with 2005)
* Netherlands - Queen Beatrix (with 1980)
* Norway - King Harald V (with 1991)
* Sweden - King Charles XVI Gustav (with 1973)
Asia.
* Bahrain - King Hamad Ibn Isa Al-Khalifa (with 2002, Emir in 1999 — 2002)
* Brunei - Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah (with 1967)
* Bhutan - King Jigme Khesar Namgyal Wangchuk (with 2006)
* Jordan - King Abdullah II (with 1999)
* Cambodia - King Norodom Siamoni (with 2004)
* Qatar - Emir Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani (with 1995)
* Kuwait - Emir Sabah al-Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah (with 2006)
* Malaysia - King Mizan Zaynal Abidin (with 2006)
* United Arab Emirates UAE - President Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan (with 2004)
* Oman - Sultan Qaboos bin Saeed (with 1970)
* Saudi Arabia - King Abdullah Ibn Abdel Aziz Al-Saud (with 2005)
* Thailand - King Bhumibol Adulyadej (with 1946)
* Japan - Emperor Akihito (with 1989)

so he lives and lives happily - the monarchy (41 state) and capitalism ... And not frail shifts, but there are quite serious states

[Altona]

Quote: your1970

Well, you are fundamentally wrong, and still happily living. The birthplace of capitalism as such is Britain, and who rules it? Right - the queen ....

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No need to play with terms ... You listed the states of the representative (decorative) monarchy and for some reason dragged Great Britain, which is proud of democracy, not the royal court. In these countries, the constitution is strong, where the functions of the monarch are not as wide as the autocrat of Russia, who, according to the law, had to personally respond to petitions, which now even the presidents themselves do not do, leaving it at the mercy of their own apparatus of lawyers. So first study the materiel, and then throw off the list of "monarchies", most of which are decorative and do not globally affect the life of their state.

[your1970]

this is not affected in Asia ???? yeah, well, well ...
And with the Constitution in the UK, too, a little strain - just as it is legally NOT ...
And the influence of the Pope in the world (not to mention the Vatican) is "decorative" (judging by your answer) ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: your1970

"Tsarism and capitalism do not live in one bundle."
Well, you are fundamentally wrong, and still happily living. The birthplace of capitalism as such is Britain, and who rules it? Right - the queen ....

The list is correct and comprehensive. Only one "BUT". Show me, please, on this list the country where the power REALLY belongs to the monarch. All these are puppet, declarative monarchies. And you monarch - a beautiful cherry on an oligarchic parliamentary cake ... It is unlikely, as in the same small Britain the head of state can de facto be a person whose almost main and almost only duty is to distribute the prefixes "sir" that are not clear to anyone.

Sir (English sir, Sir, from Old French sieur, mister sovereign, in turn from lat. senior, an honorary naming of a man in the English-speaking world, which has two meanings - title and appeal.

The lord of whom or what is Mrs. Elton John? In a capitalist society, the modern monarchy is a caricature of power, atavism. Like an appendix ...

Maybe, with the exception of the Sultans-Emirs of the Gulf and the Arabian Peninsula. But there the emir is the master. And how to call him - president, king or dictator - the tenth matter. The irremovability of power, the presence of an oil well and three dozen skyscrapers are not full-fledged capitalism. It’s just a ruling family pumping oil. And in the capitalist post-industrial society in which Europe, for example, now lives (for example !!!), they have not gotten into this way since the beginning of the 70's. As feudalism was there, it remained. Only with skyscrapers. And capitalism does not smell there.

More about capitalism, imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism, the absolute and constitutional monarchy is written in the textbook on social science for the 10 class of the Soviet school.

[your1970]

I repeat, the formula that reigns but does not rule is somewhat incorrect for the UK, there are many nuances
Classical imperialism - I agree completely - this is the United States ...
read, read, and even the assessment was four, as well as the April theses outlined ..

[Pereira]

Renaming metro stations is the last in the list of tasks facing the country. MF the rest will figure it out, then we'll talk about this.

[Corporal Valera]

a monstrous number of names in honor of the killers - the streets of Lenin, Marx and other executioners flooded our beloved city. And Kirov had his hands to the elbow in blood.

Bortsunov with monuments - unequivocally. Take care of your eyes!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Bortsunov with monuments - unequivocally in Nenko

On April 12, 1918, a decree of the Council of People's Commissars “On the Monuments of the Republic” was signed by Lenin, Stalin and Lunacharsky, according to which thousands of monuments of old Russia were officially destroyed.
The material symbols of the Russian Empire were subjected to barbaric destruction even before the decree was issued: during two revolutions of 1917, the angry crowds of non-people who spit on the whole history of Russia smashed everything and everything, demolished and ruined monuments to prominent people, cultural figures, not stopping at the desecration of graves and crypts.
What we sow, we reap!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Bayonet

On April 12, 1918, a decree of the Council of People's Commissars “On the Monuments of the Republic” was signed by Lenin, Stalin and Lunacharsky, according to which thousands of monuments of old Russia were officially destroyed.

So you are an Orthodox Bolshevik

[Bayonet]

Quote: Corporal Valera

So you are an Orthodox Bolshevik

Something new - the Bolsheviks were aggressive atheists, Valera!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Bayonet

Something new - the Bolsheviks were aggressive atheists, Valera!

Plus you, cap, for "deep knowledge", but does not change the essence

[Senior manager]

Valera. And you read the Bayonet post, otherwise the clamshells are obtained.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: St. Propulsion

Valera. And you read the Bayonet post, otherwise the clamshells are obtained.

And what's the mess, proportional? It was a sinful thing, I thought, that we had already outgrown the days of village peasants, smashing monuments and churches with rapture. But it turned out that they are still full, ready to destroy everything that does not correspond to their ideas about values

[Your friend]

Quote: Bayonet

What we sow, we reap!

Do you want to be like? And how do you differ from them?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Your friend

Do you want to be like? And how do you differ from them?

No, I do not wish. I think this is more characteristic of you dear. Admit how the desecrated monument. Weak?

[fif21]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Bortsunov with monuments - unequivocally. Take care of your eyes!

I agree with you. This businessman has long been pulled from religion! Do not go into worldly affairs, fool your grandmothers about the eternal soul and sit still. How do his calls differ from the communist? Nothing, the sign is only different, white victims, red executioners. Humanity is thousands of years old, and this businessman is trying to us to breathe in his sermons! From birth to death in our church, know pay! Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, church ghouls.

[Oldwiser]

Quote: fif21

Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, ghouls of the church

Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants - Puritans (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)

[Oldwiser]

Quote: fif21

Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, ghouls of the church

Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants - Puritans (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)

[fif21]

Quote: OldWiser

Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants

This is criticism of the Russian Orthodox Church by the Old Believers!

[ARES623]

Quote: OldWiser

(God is in the soul and the church is not needed)

Excuse me, did you intentionally omit the punctuation marks? Or how? Neither God nor church are needed?

[ARES623]

OldWiser (2) RU Today, 12:19 ↑
Quote: fif21
Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, ghouls of the church
Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants - Puritans (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)


I’m your minus in the drum. And you learn Russian, come in handy .....

[Tatiana_VV]

Not needed. Categorically.

[ARES623]

Quote: Tatyana_VV

Not needed. Categorically.

Pulled by pessimism and some kind of disorder. I think the time will come, priorities will change, faith in an immortal soul will appear ...

[Remover]

Is our church not separated from the state? Maybe the Patriarch has nothing more to do, otherwise the priests are drunk on civilians and they are pressuring civilians, and he is concerned about renaming the metro station

[SU69]

Quote: Mate

Is our church not separated from the state? Maybe the Patriarch has nothing more to do, otherwise the priests are drunk on civilians and they are pressuring civilians, and he is concerned about renaming the metro station

In Nizhny Novgorod, the Russian Orthodox Church is actively squeezing property.
The officers' house was taken away, and there were dozens of circles and sections. Children are on the side. Just before the revolution, this building was partially occupied by the female diocesan school.
Now the building of the conservatory is being squeezed out (the issue is almost resolved). Before the revolution, church authorities were sitting in it.
All real estate in the city center.
And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.
In the 2014 year of the Russian Orthodox Church, the state allocated over 6 billion rubles from the budget of the Ministry of Culture.

[RUSS]

Quote: SU69

In Nizhny Novgorod, the Russian Orthodox Church is actively squeezing property.

A fine line between spin and return.

Quote: SU69

The officers' house was taken away, and there were dozens of circles and sections.

That is, the children were not provided in return for the lost?

Quote: SU69

And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.

There is simply no one to go into them ... in our villages it is becoming less and less ...

Quote: SU69

In the 2014 year of the Russian Orthodox Church, the state allocated over 6 billion rubles from the budget of the Ministry of Culture.

Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.

[SU69]

Quote: RUSS

A fine line between spin and return.

Remember the movie: "That gasoline, and then - children!"

Quote: RUSS

That is, the children were not provided in return for the lost?

some were shoved to other places, and some were covered.

Quote: RUSS

There is simply no one to go into them ... in our villages it is becoming less and less ...

They are simply not economically viable, and there are enough grandmothers in them.

Quote: RUSS

Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.

Or maybe it was better to make circles and sections free?

[owl]

Quote: SU69

Or maybe it was better to make circles and sections free?

This is not a godly deed, as well as giving life = money to terminally ill children whom the whole world collect "SMS" (for example, instead of a pilgrimage to penguins)
But the stations rename it charitable deed!
My opinion: let all the bearded devils cooperate and will build their station(at least there will be any benefit from them) and they will call her as their rotten little soul whatever!

[Aleksandr69]

Come to us in Tver and see: what was destroyed was left destroyed, but there are a lot of remodelers ...
And explain to me, if the people are against the construction of a church in the city center (and they demolished it precisely because it interfered with the movement, then why restore it in its original place, in our century, and without that "traffic jam" movement)

[fif21]

Quote: RUSS

Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.

A naive Chukchi young man?

[Al1977]

Quote: RUSS

Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.

Which then bring a net profit. Effective investment. With every church, tribute is collected and there is a plan.

[fif21]

Quote: SU69

And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.

The bourgeois will restore, as always for the people's money Church is one of the tools for managing the electorate. Humility, obedience to the authorities - this is the task that the Russian nouveau riche poses before the church. Well, they pay them decently for it. From politicians to gangsters, on whose account there is more than one human life, forgives all the churches, forgives sins Those sins that the human mind cannot and will never forgive. God will forgive! But not me!

[owl]

Quote: fif21

Humility, obedience to the authorities - this is the task posed by the Russian nouveau riche in front of the church

So the church from time immemorial has been an instrument of legitimizing the power of those in power (with the exception of those who took them away from the feeder).
"Religion is one of the types of spiritual oppression that lies everywhere and everywhere on the masses, crushed by the eternal work for others, want and loneliness. The impotence of the exploited classes in the struggle nature gives rise to faith in gods, devils, miracles, etc. The one who works and needs all his life, religion teaches humility and patience in earthly life, comforting with hope for a heavenly reward. And those who live in other people's labor, religion teaches charity in earthly life, offering them a very cheap excuse for their entire exploitative existence and selling tickets for heavenly prosperity at a reasonable price. Religion is the opium of the people. Religion is a kind of spiritual futility, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demands for a life worthy of a human being "V.I.

[Weyland]

For me, WIL is not an authority. The trick is that the Church not only teaches this, and not only subjects.
"If the basileus (ie the emperor) forgets the" fear of God ", he will inevitably fall into sins, turn into a despot, will not adhere to the customs established by the fathers - at the intrigues of the devil, he will do something unworthy and contrary to God's commandments, become hated by the people, the synclite (= the Senate) and the Church, will be unworthy to be called a Christian, deprived of his post, subjected to anathema, and, in the end, killed as a "common enemy" by any of the "rulers" or "subordinates." (Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus, "On the management of the empire")

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: SU69

In Nizhny Novgorod, the Russian Orthodox Church is actively squeezing property.
The officers' house was taken away, and there were dozens of circles and sections

There are many such examples throughout Russia.

Quote: SU69

In the 2014 year of the Russian Orthodox Church, the state allocated over 6 billion rubles from the budget of the Ministry of Culture.

Anti-crisis program? They don’t allocate children’s cinema. I catch myself thinking that crazy people have come to power in our country.

[fif21]

Quote: Mate

and then priests drunk on cars peaceful people crush

Yes, if only crushed! They cripple human souls, call for humility and humility, they make slaves of people, and at the same time they collect money for their comfortable life.

[cap]

Quote: fif21

Quote: Mate

and then priests drunk on cars peaceful people crush

Yes, if only crushed! They cripple human souls, call for humility and humility, they make slaves of people, and at the same time they collect money for their comfortable life.

"Religion-opium for the people" (c).

[Wheel]

Quote: cap

"Religion-opium for the people" (c).

Accurate quote: religion is the opium of the people "

[Weyland]

Quote: cap

Religion-opium for the people

Only when Novalis said this (40 years before Marx, huh!) - in Europe, opium was known only as pain reliever. In those days, drugs were not in fashion - vodka cost!

[vlad66]

I am now in Vyatka, where there is a monstrous amount of names in honor of the killers - Lenin, Marx and other executioners streets flooded our beloved city.

Did you get the infection from Khokhlov’s horses, can we start demolishing the monuments? Or I picked up history from fans of mattresses, I don’t justify the regicide, but Nikolai2 is also Yanukovosch number 1, he failed the empire, and it would be better to ask the people instead of the deputies about renaming.

[Bayonet]

Quote: vlad66

Or from the mattresses of fans to rewrite history picked up,

The Bolsheviks did not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in tsarist times. The current democrats do not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in Soviet times. Do not you find that the approach to the value of the monuments is the same?
By the way, "mattress makers" did not blow up their monuments.

[vlad66]

Quote: Bayonet

. The current democrats do not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in Soviet times.

Remind your colleague what and where the current monuments were demolished? In the 90s, they demolished, the streets renamed it yes, and now? By the way, we haven’t touched a single monument in our city, renamed several streets and the central Lenin Avenue, just divided in the middle and one side became Krestovoi Street , the other remained Lenin Avenue, but that was in 1992, and not now.

[fif21]

Quote: vlad66

By the way, not a single monument was touched in our city, several streets were renamed

We have demolished a monument to Lenin and erected a monument to Count Shuvalov. Slaves and assholes, what else can you say.

[Bayonet]

Quote: vlad66

Remind your colleague which monuments were demolished and where?

I had in mind post-Soviet Russia.

[fif21]

Quote: Bayonet

The Bolsheviks did not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in tsarist times. The current democrats do not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in Soviet times.

And what do you want? 9 out of 10 former members of the CPSU

[udincev]

Quote: vlad66

it would be better if they asked the people, not the deputies

Yes, and it is necessary to legislate, such as:
"toponymic preferences of objects for political reasons not more often than once every 100-200 (?) years"

[Amurets]

Quote: vlad66

From the Khokhlov horses, the infection was transmitted or something, can we begin to demolish the monuments?

Why are you arguing? Look at all the possible talk shows? Doesn't it remind me of anything? The elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation will be held on September 18, here you have to remind yourself in advance, that’s all nonsense, if only they talked about you, and there you look and they will support the elections, maybe they will. Since official campaigning is forbidden, we must remind ourselves of all sorts of scandalous statements.

[kitamo]

Quote: Mavrikiy

"it will not be possible to get married, supposedly men will consider her a Vyatka fool."
Now who is she considered?

article w says

Kirov fool

[weksha50]

Quote: Mavrikiy [b

] And now, who is she considered? [/ B]

Simple-minded ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Mavrikiy

will not get married

Mdya In our life, we need to think sexually with our heads.
IMHO, do not be like "dill" and "psheprosh". History is history with its pro and vs. Science fiction writers often assume (and not without reason) that a butterfly crushed in the past will backfire in the future. However, I do not pretend to be true in the first instance - maybe I am wrong.

[vanavatny]

and the role of Nicholas 2 His Holiness Patriarch Cyril does not want to speak out?

[tchoni]

Here I am about the same. He found his grandmother born in 1903 alive. So, until 17, three epidemics and two hunger strikes. One of them during the peace years between the wars. People swelled and lay dead on the street.

[heaps]

I apologize, you can read more about the epidemic and hunger. You can in PM.

[tchoni]

I don’t remember much from her stories, but she lived in the Voronezh province in the city of Liski (Peskovatka village, now part of the city) When she was five years old from typhus, her father died (there was an epidemic, many people died. The funeral was every day) at the age of about 9-10 years (she began to go to the first class of the church school) there was a famine. Along with famine, an epidemic appeared to appear to be cholera. Mother has died. A neighbor took her with her children to the Kuban in armovir. There a famine happened somewhere in the year 16 or 17. She says that this was the last year before the revolution ...

[heaps]

Thanks, it matches. Now confirm the direct guilt of Nicholas 2. In epidemics and famine.

[tchoni]

He’s like the autocrat’s be ... how he should be vigil. Goebbels himself did not shoot orders, he did not give orders ... He merely justified the need to do this ... He is not guilty. And Ger Hitler ... the same darling ... These are all Gestapo scoundrels ...
If you follow your logic, then the ruler of the country SELF-AUTHORIZED (AZ I AM KING - executive, legislative and judicial authorities in one person) is not guilty of anything?

[heaps]

Judging by your logic, only the rulers of those states are to blame for the plague epidemics in Europe. Have you read the statistical summary of epidemics over the past 150 years? And I was not too lazy to study, the most interesting reading. And tell us the cholera epidemic under what circumstances does it appear? And about "watch". Tell me how many doctors there were before the revolution in terms of area (not even per capita). And how many years were the drought (by the way, it is indirectly confirmed by the same epidemic, if of course you know the condition of the "spasmodic spread" of cholera). My grandfather was younger than your grandmother, but he said that there was no famine, but there was famine (this is about the Ukrainian version). Or, under Nicholas 2, they also went and took all the food?

[vanavatny]

and as a result of what events did the bastards appear, taking the last meal? why didn’t they perish in the depths of the Siberian ores?

[tchoni]

Quote: heaps

Or under Nicholas 2, too, went to take all the food?

I will please you: the surplus app is the invention of St. Nicholas the Bloody.
And there weren’t enough doctors, so who was stopping the launch of an oosprogram on their manufacture ... Or to establish reserves of sales of japas in the country .. Well, or to distribute to the starving On the mob warehouses there was food ...
And as for the shootings of the protesters, the Berkutians and Maidan used teargas only to use truncheons - so put Yanikevich next to Satan ... And the Cossacks, the demonstrators chasing, more and more drafts, but vintvlvki quite fighting ...

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: heaps

I apologize, you can read more about the epidemic and hunger. You can in PM.

Tolstov, Nekrasov, Dostoevsky, Gilyarovsky, Danilov have more details ...

[RUSS]

Quote: vanavate

and the role of Nicholas 2 His Holiness Patriarch Cyril does not want to speak out?

The question is that there are no names in the toponymy of Russia named after Nicholas II.

[vanavatny]

and where to place them? on toilets?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: RUSS

The question is that there are no names in the toponymy of Russia named after Nicholas II.

Really! He was modestly reckoned

[heaps]

And ..... go on

[Yuyuka]

The question is that there are no names in the toponymy of Russia named after Nicholas II.

Really! He was modestly reckoned

His holiness is only that he was killed with the whole family ... does it turn out in our revolution to do all those killed by saints ?? And the fact that he bears all responsibility for the war and revolution as the leader of his state? How to justify it?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: vanavate

Nicholas 2

His hands are not covered in blood. He was generally "bloody". And nothing! Those. monarchists, you panic, cannot stand Lenin and Kirov, despite the fact that the first politician with a worldwide reputation, and the second did a lot for the country, and the communists must put up with the personality of Nicholas 2. Not for garlic! Provocateurs definitely!

[vanavatny]

here, many really do not understand: if it weren’t for the king of people, there would be no October revolution. You see, he is a martyr and almost canonized, and millions of victims are under his rule, and a cowardly renunciation, and lost wars a ...

[heaps]

1. Give details and facts about the millions of victims during the reign of Nicholas 2.
2. Canonized together with the family as martyrs, at the request of the AMERICAN ORTHODOX CHURCH, as a sign of reconciliation.
3. Historians have proven that there was no abdication (a fake document).

[vanavatny]

1 world from 800000 to 1 (according to our and Western) reconciliation of anyone with whom? me and my ancestors here .did not renounce? fought like a lion to the last? until 700000? how many victims plus?

[heaps]

1. According to your information, Nicholas 2 simply wanted to, and out of boredom he decided to participate in the war game? And how many victims were on the Kulikovo field, and on the Battle of the Ice?
2. The reconciliation of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Church in exile (American).
3. Have you heard the news about how a Russian officer died in Palmyra, causing a fire on himself? Do you think he did the right thing? I think so. So the king and his family deceived, betrayed by all the generals and officers (with rare exceptions) decided to sacrifice for the sake of saving the SPIRITUALITY OF HIS PEOPLE. And he fought to the last and prayed - to the last, and hoped - to the last. And was sacrificed by a jude-Masonic ritual.
4. And he was called "bloody" for the execution of workers (although by all indications it was a "Maidan provocation of the Anglo-Saxons").
So study history, study investigations. Otherwise, you will be called either a mediocre illiterate or a provocateur.

[vanavatny]

you can’t help but climb, that is, he was neither ready for the Russian-Japanese, nor for the First World War (you won the BATTLES you mentioned), he sat on his own rules, built railways and fought corruption, and then there is war on you and, as a result, a social explosion, and where does the king? he has his own worries ... trying on churches is just their bureaucratic procedures. You would be ashamed to mention the deceased Hero Officer (by the way, his name is Alexander Prokhorenko) in relation to what you are trying to pull on almost the concept of “conscious sacrifice” in relation to to the executed emperor Did he pray and see if he hoped ... and millions at that time fought and died, believed this insignificance and died Provocation? So what? you are the Tsar and you’re responsible for everything - the freak in the capital has a blood bath, but he has nothing to do with it - it’s somewhere that evil forces are oppressing

[heaps]

Oh, cool logic. And then in my country, TOOOOOLKO YANYK IS GUILTY and a mustache. Nobody else. Neither Maidan, nor Natsyk, nor Amerian agents of influence. Only Yanyk, only hardcore.

I went out alone in my city with a sapper shovel against the banderlog processions ten years ago.
ALL, ONE.
The rest was ... hell.
And it’s not for you to shame me, you haven’t read a single gram about the person you want to disgrace her.
And to call others insignificance is only insignificance.

[vanavatny]

that is, with arguments everything?

[Lelek]

Quote: heaps

heaps

Calm, dear KUCH.
Well, I don’t know where you went, with what shovel and against whom - this is now neither to confirm nor to refute ... The people of any country are what they are. In Mass, not a single people wants war. But, as the saying goes, "if the stars are lit, then someone needs it." The trouble of some peoples is that the ideas of the "Fuhrer" often fall on prepared, fertile soil (for example, the former Ukraine and the former countries of the BV and NE). Well, here's the last example: in Kiev, a survey was conducted on the streets on the topic "How do you feel about the idea of ​​issuing citizens with a certificate that they have no separatism?" So, the overwhelming majority of Kievans approve of this idea. Is it not? Not to mention the fact that the war in the east of their country was approved by about 60% of the population of the independent country, and about 45% consider Russia their main enemy. This is despite the fact that these 45% have relatives living and working for the good of the family in Russia, for example. And this is also not?
It’s easy to step into the abyss, only the march back.

[fif21]

Quote: heaps

So the king and his family, deceived, betrayed by all the generals and officers (with rare exceptions) decided to sacrifice for the sake of saving the SPIRITUALITY OF HIS PEOPLE. And he fought to the last and prayed to the last, and

The people are not a sucker! Turns away from the one who deserves it! The people and the army turned their backs on Nikolashka, and the hunchback, too, and will not turn away from Putin. Putin is not praying, but acting - that is the difference. Yanukovych also "sacrificed" for the salvation of the Ukrainian people, and received the nickname "rag". And Nikolashka was a rag, he was not a person capable of uniting the Russian people, and his mental abilities were "weak" and so he disappeared in the Ural swamp. And you are making a victim out of him! He is not a victim - he is weak-willed, stupid, ruler - RAG!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: heaps

2. The reconciliation of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Church in exile (American).

This is of course more important than reconciliation within one’s people. Therefore, we will comply with the instructions of the American Orthodox Church and fight with metro stations. Honest reconciliation!

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: heaps

4. And he was called "bloody" for the execution of workers
.... So learn the story,

with the story you, reverend, sorry, shitty ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Corporal Valera

His hands are not covered in blood. He was generally "bloody".

This "nickname" was given to him by the ultra-left press, and later by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks; this "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until February 1917. Learn the history of Russia, Valera!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Bayonet

This "nickname" was given to him by the ultra-left press, and later by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks; this "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until February 1917. Learn the history of Russia, Valera!

And Kirov was nicknamed by the ultra-right press, and later by the propaganda of the liberals. This "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until 91. What story to teach, cap? Yours? Dismiss

[Your friend]

Quote: Bayonet

Learn the history of Russia, Valera!

Usually, in polemics such a phrase as "learn history" is written by total ignoramuses. Well, you are not like that?))))

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Your friend

Usually, in polemics such a phrase as "learn history" is written by total ignoramuses. Well, you are not like that?))))

Well, what are you, there is just encyclopedic knowledge

Quote: Bayonet

This "nickname" was given to him by the ultra-left press, and later by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks; this "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until February 1917. Learn the history of Russia, Valera!

[Lelek]

Quote: Your friend

Usually, in polemics such a phrase as "learn history" is written by total ignoramuses.

Hello my friend.
Of the two disputants, one is a scoundrel, and the second is a scoundrel, because a scoundrel does not argue knowing the truth, and the scoundrel knows it (the truth), but argues to show his "enlightened "I am. After all, it was not for nothing that the great Roman (or the Greek, forgot) said that truth is born in a dispute (in a dispute, not in insults).

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Lelek

said truth is born in dispute

Quote: Lelek

Of the two disputants, one is d.u.r.a.k., and the second is a scoundrel,

Therefore, fools and scoundrels give birth to truth? Strong!
Although I agree about rudeness

[heaps]

I certainly apologize, but what you called "drove", as if for what reason and who called it?

[heaps]

Hear you, answer for what they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2. Either answer, or even the baker was blocked

[Mordvin 3]

Heap, what do you say about the installation of monuments to white whales?

[owl]

Quote: Mordvin 3

But what about the installation of monuments to white whales?

And what can I say, they are White-hearted and not RED, the rest is not important!

[Mordvin 3]

So I ask, and from the priest no greetings, no answer. Ran away.

[Oldwiser]

Quote: heaps

for which they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2.

During the anointing of Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov to the throne in Moscow on Khodynskoe field there was a gigantic crush with a large number of victims (they stupidly trampled in order to push closer to the royal cortege and pick up silver rubles that the tsar and his wife threw into the crowd), so the left press called Tsar "Nicholas the Bloody".
Well, Gapon's "Bloody Sunday" of 1905 - on the same topic. History, s.

[Gray brother]

Quote: OldWiser

Well, Gapon's "Bloody Sunday" of 1905 - on the same topic. History, s.

Besides:
May 7, 1901 - Execution of workers at the Obukhov plant

November 1902 - The execution of workers in Rostov. Killed - 6 wounded - 20;

March 11, 1903 - The shooting of workers at the Zlatoust weapons factory. Killed - 60, injured - 200;

July 14, 1903 - The shooting of striking railway workers. 10 killed and 18 wounded;

July 23, 1903 - The shooting of a demonstration of workers in Kiev. Killed - 4, wounded - 27

August 7, 1903 - The execution of workers in Yekaterinburg. Killed - 16, wounded - 48;

December 13, 1904 - The execution of workers in Baku. Killed - 5, wounded - 40;

January 12, 1905 - The shooting of a workers ’demonstration in Riga. Killed - 127, wounded - over 200;

June 18, 1905 - The shooting of a demonstration in Lodz. 10 killed and 40 wounded;

September 5, 1905 - The end of the shameful, senseless war with Japan. Russia's losses in the war - 400000 people;

November 15, 1905 - The shooting of the cruiser Ochakov and other rebel vessels of the Black Sea Fleet. The death of thousands of sailors - Sevastopol;

July 4, 1906 - 28 participants in the uprising of sailors in Sveaborg were sentenced to death;

June 3, 1907 - Dispersal by the "holy" tsar of the Second Duma.

1911 - Mass famine that claimed the lives of 300 thousand people;

April 4, 1912 - The shooting of striking workers in the Lena goldfields. 254 people were killed;

June 3, 1914 - The shooting of a rally of workers at the Putilov factory in St. Petersburg;

August 10, 1915 - The shooting of a demonstration in Ivanovo-Voznesensk. Killed - 30 injured -53;

[Oldwiser]

Quote: heaps

for which they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2.

During the anointing of Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov to the throne in Moscow on Khodynskoe field there was a gigantic crush with a large number of victims (they stupidly trampled in order to push closer to the royal cortege and pick up silver rubles that the tsar and his wife threw into the crowd), so the left press called Tsar "Nicholas the Bloody".
Well, Gapon's "Bloody Sunday" of 1905 - on the same topic. History, s.

[fif21]

Quote: heaps

Hear you, answer for what they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2.

For the Khodynka-inauguration of Nicholas 2, for the bloody Sunday in St. Petersburg - the shooting of a peaceful demonstration, for the suppression of the workers' uprising in Moscow in 1905 with the help of the army. And in 1917 the people said, Khodynka began, and Khodynka ended.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: heaps

Either answer, or even a heap barn

here is the dog ...

[Guardsman]

And what is wrong with the emperor, I don’t understand you guys that you are likened to evil spirits from "zHa windbag"?

[vanavatny]

he was a worthless insignificance, who was entrusted from above to a huge country, which he had lied about, and as a result cowardly denied, he even didn’t have enough to put a bullet in his head and this mumble was responsible for what happened next

[Guardsman]

Before throwing such accusations, read the book "The Cross of Fire" by Yuri Vlasov, and then draw conclusions

[vanavatny]

what other works of art do you recommend?

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Guardsman

And what is wrong with the emperor,

Quote: vanavate

he is worthless insignificance

the anointed one. And the saint.
I missed it - until the monarchic howls, as "the only way for Mother Russia" has not yet reached?

[TUNISIA]

Quote: vanavate

and the role of Nicholas 2 His Holiness Patriarch Cyril does not want to speak out?

And he doesn't need it. He views Nicholas II from the position of the Russian Orthodox Church: the murdered Tsar and members of his family are canonized. That says it all. For him, Nicholas II is as saint as Nicholas the Wonderworker, Sergius of Radonezh, etc. Of course, the church will always treat the murderer of the "saint" extremely negatively.

[vanavatny]

I noticed that the ROC always has a very convenient position and responsibility only to the Lord on whose behalf they broadcast

[bober1982]

Of course, the church will always treat the murderer of the "saint" extremely negatively.

And how else can you relate to the killing of innocent people, including children.
The last Orthodox Tsar was destroyed by the atheistic forces that crucified Jesus Christ

[TUNISIA]

I absolutely agree with you. Above, I only explained why the ROC will not assess the actions of Nicholas II on the throne. His canonization is a fait accompli and this is enough to justify the church in condemning the perpetuation of the memory of the murderer Nicholas II and his family. I do not understand who and for what "minus" me. Did I say something wrong?

[Guardsman]

Alas, unfortunately, your minuses and articles say that the people on this resource only see and are content, unfortunately, with what is on the surface, but to compile work and read serious research from respected authors, alas - as they say in slang - "in scrap "

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: TUNISIA

Did I say something wrong?

Personally, I am absolutely not against his canonization. Perhaps he was a wonderful soul man. But as a leader - no. Therefore, do not climb to Lenin, Stalin ... But we do not ask them to be counted as saints, just do not need to touch and do not have to crap. They have done a lot for the country. What about blood? There they wrote about Nicholas above. Who is not blood on?

[fif21]

Quote: TUNISIA

He considers Nicholas II from the position of the Russian Orthodox Church: the murdered king and his family members are numbered among the saints. That says it all

By this they opened the eyes of the people about their essence. Let them stay with their saints, but in Russia other saints in honor - Suvorov, Kutuzov, Zhukov, Minin and Pozharsky, Catherine 2, Stalin, Peter 1 - people who were happy for Russia.

[Guardsman]

Alas, to your great ignorance, Suvorov went into battle only after having performed a prayer service, and connected all his victories with God

[vanavatny]

but before the adoption of Christianity, they did not even hear about military victories, but my grandfather Mikhail Petrovich Berlin did not take only because of a serious injury when he took Koenigsberg, he did not say anything about God and did not go to church - maybe he was not a patriot?

[owl]

Quote: vanavate

maybe not a patriot?

Worse

[fif21]

Suvorov's modesty is known! His victories, he never boasted, always said - a miracle heroes (soldiers) or exalted God. But we know that the creator of the victories of Russian weapons is this modest generalissimo. His bow to him is low from the Russian people to the earth.

[fif21]

Suvorov's modesty is known! His victories, he never boasted, always said - a miracle heroes (soldiers) or exalted God. But we know that the creator of the victories of Russian weapons is this modest generalissimo. His bow to him is low from the Russian people to the earth.

[owl]

To our common regret, the priest went into battle (alcohol market) only after the prayer was performed, and he linked his victory for the pivasik with God probably.

[carabiner sks]

What kind of nonsense? Let’s like all Ukrainians all the monuments to Lenin V.I. carry to edrenny mother. Do not touch that little that we got from the Soviet era.

[vanavatny]

thanks to that little, we still have light and warmth in our homes ...

[Mareman Vasilich]

That's it. And this scribbler should have learned history, otherwise it will remain an ignoramus for life.

[ibu355yandex.ru]

As always in Russia, when people are falling into poverty, those who hold power begin to rename streets, schools, metro stations, etc. Relying on spirituality, instead of helping people survive the economic ruin, and giving someone just a piece of bread for survival. I’m deeply on the ... drum, on which street, Chernyshevsky, Voikov, Lenin or Putin are beggars and beggars !!!

[RUSS]

Quote: ibu355yandex.ru

power holders begin to rename streets, schools, metro stations, etc.

The streets and metro are no longer renamed as 25 years old, and many military educational institutions, on the contrary, have returned Soviet names in recent years.

[APS]

Straight on Freud. Everyone is talking about what they are missing. About morality, so they just do not have enough. No need to touch the monuments, streets, justifiably put new monuments in new parks, squares, new cities. After all, this is our story! This is with a look into the future that the population of Russia will increase (and this is what everyone needs to do), as well as production and agriculture and confidence in the future, etc ...

[Riv]

Well, what to take from a holy fool? He doesn’t like Marx, Engels, Kostrikov ... You didn’t build, you didn’t call - it’s not for you to rename either.

[RUSS]

Quote: Riv

He doesn’t like Marx, Engels, Kostrikov ... You didn’t build, you didn’t call

Marx and Engels are a bourgeois "infection" from Germany.

[andj61]

Quote: RUSS

Marx and Engels are a bourgeois "infection" from Germany.

From Germany ... Only Marx was definitely not an executioner. This is an ordinary cabinet scientist - and only ...

[avt]

Quote: Riv

Well, what to take from a holy fool?

The patriarch is a very thoughtful and guided comrade. His character is not sugar, but there will never be a brick to piss against the wind, well, as in that cartoon about criticism and self-criticism, he will not throw up so that he does not fall on his head, only down.

Quote: Riv

He doesn’t like Marx, Engels, Kostrikov ... You didn’t build, you didn’t call - it’s not for you to rename either.

Here, after all, how, well, to return the old name in Moscow is a sacred thing. BUT! What about the completely rebuilt streets? And with the metro the same - that Nikolashka built it? But such patriarchal sachers will soon not be renamed Voikovskaya, Avtozavodskaya, but the plant will be fucking ruined.

[andj61]

Quote: avt

If a city-wide referendum is held, I will vote against renaming from the principle, since this is also OUR history.

About Nogin, Kropotkin back in the 70s questions arose: why, they say, from the names of the metro station, street, square called.
But there was no such doubt about Voikov: he was a diplomat - ambassador to Poland and was killed in Warsaw precisely as a representative of the USSR.
Yes, his activities as a member of the Yekaterinburg Military Revolutionary Committee and Commissioner for the Supply of the Ural Council are far from unambiguous. But he has only an indirect relation to the execution of the tsar’s family, and this is established by the investigation of the General Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation. Voikov really took part in the vote for the shooting of the royal family. The council also asked him to write a paper on sulfuric acid. There was no longer any participation of Voikov himself in these events. All the rest of fiction is about how he, with a gun in his hands, removed a ring from someone, chopped corpses - this is complete, unconfirmed nonsense.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Riv

Well, what to take from a holy fool?

You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!

[RUSS]

Quote: Bayonet

You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!

It was demolished in 1931 after a frantic struggle with the church, although when it smelled of war, the authorities turned to the Russian Orthodox Church!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: RUSS

It was demolished in 1931 after a frantic struggle with the church, although when it smelled of war, the authorities turned to the Russian Orthodox Church!

And who restored the patriarchate, do not remind? Rest assured, when again, God forbid, smells of war, the authorities turn to Stalin, return Soviet symbols and everything in stock

[RUSS]

Quote: Corporal Valera

And who restored the patriarchate, do not remind?

Earlier he wrote above that it was restored during the war, and the first appeal to the church was in the 41st
On June 22, 1941, Metropolitan Sergius, returning to the office of the Patriarchate from the Sunday liturgy in the Epiphany Cathedral, personally typed the Message to the pastors and flocks of the Orthodox Church of Christ, in which he called on everyone to defend the Homeland. The appeal was sent to all parishes. On June 26, in the Epiphany Cathedral in Moscow, Metropolitan Sergius served a prayer service for the granting of victory, after which similar prayers began to take place in all churches of the Russian Church. An extensive fundraising campaign was organized, for which a tank column named after Dmitry Donskoy and a squadron named after Alexander Nevsky were built and transferred to the field army when an airplane with an icon circled around Moscow.

Quote: Corporal Valera

will return Soviet symbols and everything in assortment

Symbols with a sickle and a hammer are unlikely, but the red stars will definitely be left at least on the fuselages of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Quote: Corporal Valera

and all in assortment

What did you mean?

[sherp2015]

Quote: Corporal Valera

God forbid, it will smell war, the authorities will turn to Stalin, they will return Soviet symbols and everything is in stock

The authorities, as always, will turn to the people of Russia "brothers and sisters ..."

[fif21]

Quote: sherp2015

The authorities, as always, will turn to the people of Russia "brothers and sisters ..."

Can you name a government that does not address the people when a "scribe" sneaks up on it? The authorities say whether you love us or not, but we have a common enemy! Gives relaxation to ideological enemies, for the sake of the unity of the nation. And after the victory, everything returns to normal. What is the cost of the already rendered service? - nothing. Power is in the hands of cynics.

[creak]

Quote: RUSS

Demolished in 1931 after a rabid struggle with the church,

Yes, it did not end even after 1931, churches were also closed under Khrushchev, but this is not about that.
The fact is that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was not just a religious building - it was built on public donations in honor of the Victory over Napoleon in the war of 1812.
And to whom, interestingly, the monument to General Skobelev in the Center of Moscow prevented ...
To figures like Kaganovich, who declared: "We will pull up the hem of Mother Russia" ...
As a result, today we have what we have - as they say, sowing the wind, reaping the storm ...
The fight against the monuments is generally the last thing ...
Vandalism and historical unconsciousness is a crime against one’s own country, regardless of whose hands and under what slogans they are created.
The history of the country should not resemble a book with crossed out, or even completely torn out pages - ALL pages should be in place ...

[KB-2]

Well, do not be like the Bolsheviks!

[drilled]

So your attempts are revenge, or what?)))). Eeee, my friend, this is a sin. Any pop will explain to you

[Your friend]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Riv

Well, what to take from a holy fool?

You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!

This is nice. They destroyed the HHS, and we will deliver vodka and whitefish to them from behind the hill with wagons. Well, then from the TV screen we will broadcast about mercy, love for the neighbor and the Christian way of life.

[sherp2015]

Quote: Bayonet

You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!

By the way, this is the work of the scoundrel Kaganovich "we will pull up the hem ..."

[GOGY]

These are the ruins of ZIL ... Then finish off all that remains of the damned Bolsheviks - power plants, aircraft factories and you will be happy. The Russian Orthodox Church is drowning in luxury, priests drive Mercedes, and villages die out, they build temples - and who will go to them?

[Riv]

In vain you posted this photo. Oh, in vain! ..
It is funny that the project for the restoration of the temple was prepared, including by Zurab Tsereteli. It turned out as expected: a car park with a car wash, a market and a built-in church. The respectable Lord for respectable masters. When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.

[fif21]

Quote: Riv

When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.

And I call me in this matter (to blow up) I think a little

[RUSS]

Quote: Riv

When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.

In our village in the 30s the church was destroyed, so of those who broke it, no one died by their death ....

[bober1982]

Not only in your village.

[Riv]

Still ... The Great Patriotic War was ahead. What else did the Germans break in your village?

[Your friend]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Riv

When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.

In our village in the 30s the church was destroyed, so of those who broke it, no one died by their death ....

Has the gracious and all-forgiving god punished? Or did the true believers, living according to the commandments of the Lord, such as "Thou shalt not kill", tried? It happens...

[fif21]

Quote: Bayonet

Here is your job!

Satisfied with the ruins of the enemies of the people! (Ruins of the church)

[Bayonet]

Quote: fif21

Satisfied with the ruins of the enemies of the people! (Ruins of the church)

When you begin to pounce (you see), you will remember God. If I knew one such thing, I would see it myself - I would bite my tongue, hero ...

[Your friend]

Fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... aren't that so true believers say?

Quote: Bayonet

When you start to pounce (you'll see)

To wish death to your loved one - as it is not Christian.

Quote: Bayonet

If I knew one such thing, I would see it myself - I would bite my tongue, hero

Hate your loved one - but where is humility and forgiveness?
These are our believers.)))

[Bayonet]

Quote: Your friend

To wish death to your loved one - as it is not Christian.

And I do not wish, he digs a hole for himself ...

[Your friend]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Your friend

To wish death to your loved one - as it is not Christian.

And I do not wish, he digs a hole for himself ...

Hahaha .... and a real Christian would just pray for his eternal soul.)))

[kizhe]

I completely agree. Let the names of people involved in the destruction of their people remain on the pages of history, but from the names of streets, cities and other well-known places, they should be removed forever.

[dauria]

Let the names of the people involved in the destruction of their people

Then all the streets will be "apple", "snowy", "3rd street of builders", etc.
"involved in the destruction" - to what extent do you need to be involved? Was Gorbachev involved? Yeltsin? And the Decembrists or the tsar who hanged them? And why do lawyers use the term "criminal inaction"? Who will determine?

And renaming is a double-edged sword. In our city, Moscow is often called "gadyushnik". Maybe we'll stir up a referendum?

[Senior manager]

That is, instead of names, numbering ?. Peter the Great was not a good kid either, he died under him. And the offer is simple - HANDS ARE AWAY FROM HISTORY, Right, left, turned inside out, victims, guilty - ALL, this is history.

[gamer]

It seems to me that there are no other problems in Russia? This is our story, whatever it was, but it is ours!

[NKVD]

Let the Patriarch not stick his nose out of business.

[Stas157]

Quote: NKVD

Let the Patriarch not stick his nose out of business.

This is just his business! Such issues should be addressed by the general public, both the church and the intelligentsia, and of course, first of all, the inhabitants of this region.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Stas157

the general public, and the church, and the intelligentsia

Residents voted last year, but neither the authorities nor the so-called "intelligentsia" liked the result.
Most of all it freezes that as soon as the popular opinion begins to dislike someone, so immediately start screaming on the topic "it is not clear who pressed the button."
The authorities and the "intelligentsia" have already set off in a certain direction, now it is the turn of the holy patriarch (if it is hard for him to walk, I can give out the staff).

Moscow metro is not shook. This is known to any honest and decent person. The names of the stations of the communist executioners and Bolshevik symbols make civilized people shy away from the metro as a devil from incense. I already wrote about similar problems in the article “As an anti-adviser to an anti-adviser”. It comes to the point that human rights defenders have to build their routes trying to avoid visiting the Kurskaya station. Very complaining about this Lyudmila Alekseeva. And besides Kursk there are still a lot of handshake names. I recall how a meeting was recently scheduled with Solomon Khaykin at the Voikovskaya station. So the whole meeting shook and distorted me. After all, I am an old monarchist. And I remember the stories of my grandfather, Solomon Izrailevich (a person close to the emperor) about the blessed priest king.
I then found a way to avoid torment in the subway. Thanks to a limousine with a flashing light from Sergey Kovalev, I was provided with quick movement around Moscow. True, it happens that I encounter different irresponsible citizens who cannot distinguish between the car of a stealing corrupt official and the car of the Memorial human rights foundation. Yes, there is a flasher, but this is a special case. After all, we need a blinker not to carry girls, but to quickly protect your and our freedom.

Shot here: http://lev-sharansky2.livejournal.com/25472.html
With all due respect to Leo Natanych.

[V.ic]

In my native village I lived on Sverdlov Street. When he grew up and learned a lot about this figure, the attitude towards him changed. I was twice in Yekaterinburg and both times I spat on the monument of this ghoul. Rosenbaum has a song with the words "on Marat Street". He was still a Jacobin, bloody spill. Then, if you rename, then you will not forget the "imported" villains.

[gamer]

I live on Dnepropetrovskaya St. in Volgograd! And so what ?! Now go spit on the plates on the houses, because this city is in Ukraine! Write complete nonsense, dear!

[sherp2015]

Quote: igorek

igorek Today, 10:51 ↑ New
I live on Dnepropetrovskaya St. in Volgograd! And so what ?! Now go spit on the plates on the houses, because this city is in Ukraine! Write complete nonsense, dear!

Well, you and Igor compared.
The executioner of the Russian people Sverdlov and the city of Dnepropetrovsk!
As the saying goes ... poo with a finger!

[V.ic]

Quote: igorek

Write complete nonsense, dear!

Dear, your "writeиthose "is a wish or a statement of fact?

Quote: igorek

I live on Dnepropetrovskaya St. in Volgograd!

"Good life to you on the vulytsa" restorers of Stalingrad from the city of Dnepropetrovsk / Ukrainian SSR /, renamed from Yekaterinoslav in honor of the Bolshevik G. Petrovsky / "From November 1917 to March 1919 People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR. Involved in the creation of punitive bodies of Soviet power" http: / /value-name.рф/known-people/grigory-petrovsky/.

[vjatsergey]

Dear, and you can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?

[Riv]

Spit on me a couple of times. You can even vomit at him. I will reimburse the expenses for Baltika.

[V.ic]

Quote: Riv

I will reimburse the expenses for Baltika.

I'm sorry, I'm not a fan of Baltika ...

[V.ic]

Quote: vjatsergey

You can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?

There is no longer drooling / poisonous /, but a bottle of black paint.

[V.ic]

Quote: vjatsergey

You can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?

No business trips are foreseen in E-burg, since they are no longer outbound. Pay for your business trip and, with pleasure, I will fulfill your wish. Communication "in a personal". Money up front. I ask you to pay the daily allowance at the rate of at least 350 rubles per day. Payment of travel from the railway station to the central square and back by taxi in order to "break away" from the Yeltsinoid guards. Yes, I almost forgot, 0,5 "Gesser", for saliva, also at your expense!

[sherp2015]

Quote: vjatsergey

Dear, and you can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?

It would be nice to empty the sewage truck at his monument

[Your friend]

Quote: V.ic

. He was twice in Yekaterinburg and both times he spat at the monument to this ghoul.

Yes, you are just, my friend, a hero. So boldly took and spat. From your courage, it’s breathtaking. Here I am always past the monuments of personalities that I don’t like, I just walk through, I don’t do anything to them. I guess I'm just a coward, but I want to be like you. (((

[V.ic]

Quote: Your friend

Yes, you are just, my friend, a hero. So boldly took and spat

... and I also tried to embroider a cross ...

[VVooVVaa]

“Kill one person and you will become a killer. Kill millions and you will become a conqueror. Kill everyone and you will become God. ”

[got137]

Is it the most relevant right now ?? And renaming until better times will not wait ?? Especially now, few remember in honor of whom the station was named.))

[Shark Lover]

it’s not a fact that in years, the name of this priest will be pronounced solely as a libertine or something else.

[vic58]

Minus! History is OUR history! Analog ... well, look "at Kiev"! I'll go wash my hands and the keyboard

[Kyrgyz]

And I’m for leaving everything as it is, except that Volgograd in Stalingrad is possible, but only if residents agree to go through such a hemorrhoids with documents.

[engineer74]

Rumors about "hemorrhoids" are greatly exaggerated: Leningrad-St. Petersburg somehow survived ...

[sherp2015]

Quote: engineer74

Somehow survived Leningrad-St. Petersburg ...

It’s a bit long to somehow reprimand ... Just Petersburg))

[creak]

[quote = sherp2015] Just Petersburg)

In common parlance, it was still in the days of the USSR, as now, many called it Peter ...

[sherp2015]

Quote: ranger

many called Peter ...

Support!

[fif21]

Quote: engineer74

Somehow survived Leningrad-St. Petersburg ...

The people call him Peter! Yekaterinburg - Eburg, Volgograd - Stalingrad, so that everything is still ahead

[73bor]

I agree that the "Khodynskoe massacre" was forgotten along the way, but what was the name of Nikolay2, too, was forgotten !? Without pleading for the crimes of Voikov, Kirov, Dybenko, Koganovich, etc.

[RUSS]

Quote: 73bor

I agree, "Khodynskoe massacre" was forgotten along the way,

Do not take a substitute, not "Khodynskoe massacre", but "Crush on Khodynskoe field"
No less famous is the mass stampede at Stalin's funeral in Moscow on March 5, 1953. Data on the number of victims is classified, and according to various estimates, the death toll is from 100 to 1300 people.

[V.ic]

Quote: 73bor

Not mindоpouring

Not mindаlya / root "small" /. Or Gundyaev thoughts about mоlaziness brought?

[guzik007]

That is why they say-Ivan, not remembering kinship. Like Europe, we must pay tribute - all the monuments, their toponymy has been preserved since ancient times. Regardless of the atrocities of this or that gentleman. And only we, with each change of regime, with foam at the mouth, demolish and demolish, as if ashamed of something, these marks of our past. Truly they say: whoever has forgotten the past, both eyes are out, or a nation that has forgotten the past will never have a future. Leave alone these poor monuments and names. At least for the sake of at least one teenager could ask his father: “Who is this?” And the father, if there is a brain, could tell him, yes, he was such a villain, he slammed the king-father. And you look, now the child has begun to think, to be interested in the history of the country. You see, one less ruminant has become. It turns out that the CITIZEN is growing.

[vic58]

Minus! This is OUR story, these people have already died ... If you think otherwise - everyone is "at Kiev" !!!! And maybe to the Baltics

[Bayonet]

I can add -

[the righteous]

But the author Krupin himself didn’t stupid or such an expert in history that he knows everything about everyone. Then why doesn’t he write that urgently it is necessary to close the recently opened Yeltsin center? But he is guilty of many deaths of Russians, betrayed and drank the country. Or does this author also have double standards?

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: pravednik

And the author Krupin himself did not stupid or such a connoisseur of history

no, my grandfather hit an Orthodox clever age. And here, without demonizing the Soviets, there is no way. Insanity, in short.
From the interview:

I liked the girl Katya, also an activist, like me. I didn’t like the others, tikhoni. And once we went to the temple to see the wedding. And I wanted to "trick" the newlyweds. I ask there: "What is the name of the groom?" And they answered me: "God knows whom he is crowning." And for some reason this had an effect on me, I did not try to pry out anymore and did not “bother” anyone. Moreover, I was then overwhelmed with such a delight of my soul that I said: “Katya, let's get married to you better!”

[Wheel]

Famous writer Vladimir Krupin

Who is why I don’t know?
I asked Yandex - everything became clear.

Quote: pravednik

And the author Krupin himself did not stupid, or such a connoisseur of history that he knows everything about everyone.

In humans, PGM is not treated. (Forgive me, good Orthodox, this does not apply to you)

[dogens]

And Peter cut the first beard ... And Ivan the Terrible ... He was terrible. But Putin forbids gay parade.
You do not spit enemies everywhere. The question is just for whom.

If you look like that, Voikov was a criminal who committed a crime against a criminal, who was later replaced by other criminals, but their power was not long, because in the early 90s the criminal regime was overthrown by other criminals.
It turns out a brief excursion of the history of Russia from Psaki.

If the Russian Orthodox Church is a public non-profit organization that is not political, then in the State Duma its leader clearly has nothing to do. In general, the Russian Orthodox Church should teach us humility, and not participate in all political affairs of the country. And then somehow all the basics are crumbling.

[Stas157]

Quote: dogens

If you look like that, Voikov was a criminal who committed a crime against a criminal, who was then replaced by other criminals

Yes, if only the king were killed, such a resonance would not exist! The whole royal family! Women and children, including domestic workers! The wounded were shot and finished with bayonets. Then they filled everything with acid ... From the details, the blood freezes. The king’s political crimes cannot justify such brutal reprisals. I voted for the Communists all the time, but this does not mean that I should accept all crimes committed against our people! For example, the infamous Brest-Litovsk peace, against which, by the way, there were half the Bolsheviks!

[V.ic]

Quote: Stas157

but this does not mean that I must accept all crimes committed against our people! For instance, shameful Brest-Litovsk world, against which, incidentally, was half the Bolsheviks!

VIL named it himself "bawdy"by the way.

[Pvi1206]

I read the comments on the article and despondency overcame me:
the Communist lie is still firmly seated in us ...

[drilled]

My sad, go to the Ruin. They are happy to break the story

[mpzss]

So, what kind of talk about renaming streets, cities, etc.!?
I don’t understand why this is necessary !? Who needs it !? For example, for me, like most in Russia, it doesn’t matter what the name of the street, city, village or village is, so the author, answer, are you against us all !? then you are the fifth column!
Understand that when renaming there will be two important points (I write from the least important):
1 is a HUGE mass of money that is needed to change documents, seals, etc. (Do we have them?)
2-the worst thing that can happen is again all kinds of discontent of the people caused by renaming, but do we need them? Moreover, according to this noise, every rabble will immediately come running and begin his agitation against the authorities, that’s enough, they passed!
article minus!

[Karayakupovo]

Someone is itching again. A "bloody Sunday" then, too, can be recalled at the coronation of the king. Enough already and take it easy. If you are itching to, then go to the Polish embassy and fight for the monuments to our LIBERATORS of this Europe. At least there will be benefits from you.

[Million]

Why does the ROC not pay taxes?

[RUSS]

Quote: Million

Why does the ROC not pay taxes?

Because according to the laws of the state, as a charitable organization.
Sports companies are exempted from taxes, garden cooperatives are exempted from taxes, even insurance companies are not taxed - the amounts paid.
We obeyed the laws of the state, even when the laws of that state put us outside the law. They obeyed when the laws of this state made it possible to shamelessly rob temples. We are listening now.

[Million]

I didn’t notice charity ..

[RUSS]

Quote: Million

I didn’t notice charity ..

Because you are not interested, the Russian Orthodox Church has a charitable foundation, shelters for children and rehabilitation centers, etc.

[fif21]

Quote: RUSS

Because you are not interested, the Russian Orthodox Church has a charitable foundation

Maybe in the Donbass gumkonvoy equip? I doubt it.

[RUSS]

Quote: fif21

Maybe in the Donbass gumkonvoy equip?

The Russian Orthodox Church raised 128 million rubles and almost 170 tons of aid for the Donbass


169,5 tons of humanitarian aid collected by the Russian Orthodox Church has been transferred to the southeast of Ukraine since the end of December 2014, Interfax reports.

Thanks to this, more than 30 thousand people were provided with food, Vasily Rulinsky, spokesman for the Synodal Department for Social Services, said at a round table at the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Moscow on Thursday.

More than 128 million rubles came to the account of the synodal department as donations to help Donbass (over 81 million rubles have already been spent).

V. Rulinsky recalled that the Church is also engaged in helping Ukrainian refugees. Since the summer of 2014, more than 22 thousand people have received church headquarters in Moscow, 935 refugees purchased tickets to their place of residence, more than 13 thousand received clothing assistance, and 16,6 thousand received food and medicine.

According to a spokesman for the synodal department, the Church has over 3,5 social projects, more than 60 rehabilitation centers for drug addicts (2015 new ones are planned to be opened in 15), 300 nursing sisterhoods, more than 170 medical services and medical aid rooms, and about 40 almshouses , more than 70 shelters for the homeless, more than 100 societies and brotherhoods of sobriety, 27 shelters for pregnant women and mothers with children, about 30 legal consultations and 60 psychological assistance services, work is done with deaf and hard of hearing people in 46 churches.

The largest volunteer service "Mercy" in Moscow unites more than 1,5 thousand volunteers.

[Your friend]

Quote: RUSS

The Russian Orthodox Church raised 128 million rubles and almost 170 tons of aid for the Donbass

And about 500 million dollars were spent on the creation of the HHS, of which 300 million is state-owned. support. How much could sobriety fraternities be maintained for this money ...
By the way, hundreds of thousands of people donated money and things to help the Donbass, and these hundreds of thousands, with truly Christian humility, are modestly silent, do not issue press releases, and do not have press secretaries.)

[fif21]

Quote: RUSS

Because you are not interested, the Russian Orthodox Church has a charitable foundation

Maybe in the Donbass gumkonvoy equip? I doubt it.

[drilled]

Beasts, people told you to be a VOYKOVSKAYA! Call it "In the name of Nikolashka the Bloody"! Loser of 2 wars, who shot a peaceful procession out of fright, and finally defeated the country.
There is nothing to do for priests, give them shovels, let them do something useful

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Burieway

There is nothing to do for priests, give them shovels, let them do something useful

let them dig a new metro and call it what they want!

[V.ic]

Quote: Burieway

shot a peaceful procession with a fright

Did you personally sit behind a machine gun? And Gapon-defrocked together with Rutenberg "hung up"?

[drilled]

Do you seriously believe that the order was given by the Governor General (I don’t remember the name)? Have you ever seen a general? A person who has EVERYTHING? And even in those days, even more so. And so that he, risking EVERYTHING, DO NOT ASK THE TARGETS FOR THE TSAR ?! My friend, you do not know the generals and officials.

[heaps]

I know these intonations and endings, "Nikolashki".
Your scum would be used by the Orthodox and the priestly office to kill.
How many "Maidans" have been described and still are not associated with the executions of the peaceful procession. No, you were wrong, the peaceful procession was shot by Yanukovych's written order of the Cossacks of the "Berkutov" Cossacks. And VVP called and supervised.

And about the useful. Go ka dear and wait all the service from beginning to end, and then all night. And check the strengths.

Yes, and you need to urgently appoint a "storm" marshal of the army, for he knows how to win all wars.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: heaps

Your scum would be used by the Orthodox and the priestly office to kill.

Don't make a noise, you saint. And filter the bazaar. Nobody cares about priests. The derogatory "Nikolashka" was not invented on this site.

[heaps]

And you shut me up, "feny"

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: heaps

And you shut me up

I'm not a moderator, why did you give me something? Just follow the language. Not at the choir.

[vanavatny]

Whom did the gdp call? about the censer hit?

[the polar]

in the Great Patriotic War this partisan would crucify him on crosses, and he would cut out stars from captured Red Army soldiers. She is still Russophobic.

[Pinkie F.]

Famous writer Vladimir Krupin

widely known in narrow Orthodox circles?

Thank God that His Holiness Patriarch Kirill joined in a question that has long tormented the hearts of the Orthodox.

Well, now things will go ... Priests renamed - this is power.

[Barakuda]

Famous writer Vladimir Krupin

And what is he actually known for the first time I hear, I also found Pablo Coelier ... or maybe just senility? Vicki read, like a normal man was.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Barracuda

was.

exactly what - was. Soviet.

Quote: Barracuda

maybe just senility?

read his articles and interviews on Orthodoxy.ru - and you will establish yourself in this thought.

[Putnik_16]

You can change, you even need to!
But why raise such a psychosis
around this business ?!

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Putnik_16

You can change, you even need to!

Muscovites seem to have spoken out about this.

[ovod84]

I have one desire, I want Volgograd to be renamed Stalingrad and that’s the point.

[roosei]

Before speaking out on the decree of the Council of People's Commissars, it would not be a sin to get acquainted with it. And there it was a question not only of demolition but also of building. Moreover, monuments were erected not only by Marxists and revolutionaries. That’s your trouble, anti-communists, that you are ready to repeat stupidly behind your idols, but you can’t get acquainted, at least briefly. And your whole evidence base comes down to a few words: red bastards, bloodthirsty Leninists, laying down, hit the wall and drink poison

[V.ic]

Quote: roosei

your evidence base comes down to a few words: red bastards, bloodthirsty Leninists, scribble, hit the wall and drink poison

... I supplement: the class struggle, the dictatorship of the proletariat, we will respond to the White Terror with red terror, long live the world revolution, the wimps of the Usih countries get to the heap, the fist-collective farm life is the enemy ..., new thinking, perestroika, democratization, market economy. Note- these slogans / chants are not invented by me.

[Pinkie F.]

But how can you walk along the street of the killer of your people ?!

"Look for bypass routes" Personally, I walk along the street of the red diplomatic courier Voikov.

How can one live quietly near the Voykovskaya metro station if it is known for certain that Voykov is a killer ?!

old senile. Can.

[creak]

Quote: Pinky F.

Personally, I walk along the street of the Red Diplomatic Courier Voikov.

Voikov was neither red nor any other diplomatic courier ...
I believe that you and other residents walk along the street of the Plenipotentiary (Ambassador) Voikov - the ambassador and the courier are two big differences ...

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: ranger

Voikov was neither red nor any other diplomatic courier ...

a diplomat.
Old cinematic stamp popped up

[creak]

Quote: Pinky F.

Old cinematic stamp popped up

I understand who it doesn’t happen to, I remember this film ...

[EvgNik]

There is a feeling that indifference to their homeland is reflected in this matter.

Ah, how partial !.
In our city there is also Voikova street. And now what in all cities to rename? Who needs this hemorrhoids?
Few examples of Ukraine and Poland, but of the 90s. Let it remain as it is.
And it is not the business of the church to intervene in secular problems.
And if the church so wants to rename something - let it allocate money for it, I think that the gold that hangs on the clergy will be enough.
A good writer Krupin, but by old age he apparently lost touch with reality.

[avg-mgn]

Each era leaves its traces in history, and no one has the right to condemn certain people who lived at that time, otherwise rewriting history. We did not live then and it is not for us to judge them. We read, analyze and strive not to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors, otherwise we will be judged ourselves.

[nov_tech.vrn]

about the regicide of Voikov, it was written rewritten, he had no relationship in the murder ... not any... The only "witness" clerk who took offense and ran away to the other side. The people have already spoken on this matter. And the writer Krupin, who fell into Orthodoxy, well, I do not like village prose, and how do you differ from the Bolsheviks, even though most of them were illiterate, the monuments should be destroyed, and the names rewritten and at the same time pretend to be intellectuals ... . well, it's a shame.

[Corsair5912]

I agree.
The decision to shoot the imperial family was made by the Yekaterinburg Soviet of Deputies, in which the Socialist-Revolutionaries predominated, and Voikov was a Menshevik. Lenin, too, had nothing to do with the execution of the Romanovs; he signed a decree of the SNK on the transportation of the imperial family from Tobolsk to Moscow, just in order to avoid a reprisal.
The execution of the Romanovs was initiated by British Jewish bankers because of the 500 tons of Russian gold stored in "English" banks, which could only be disposed of by members of the royal family. That gold settled in England. There were many impostors who tried to pass themselves off as members of the family of Nicholas II.

[triglav]

The fifth column still banishes our life and our homeland. It’s time for the discontented to deprive of citizenship and expel.

[weksha50]

"yesterday His Holiness Patriarch Kirill spoke at the Moscow City Duma at the invitation of deputies. In particular, the Primate of the Russian Church said: “It is impossible for the names of criminals and terrorists to be preserved in our toponymy in the city. I mean Voikov "...

Hmm ... I, in general, respect Patriarch Kirill ... A clever man, back in Soviet times, if there was an opportunity, sometimes listened to his Sunday sermons on television ... And this despite the fact that I was and I remain an atheist ... Just a smart person, it was interesting to listen ...

But now ... He shouldn’t get into this jungle ... Moreover, the church is officially separated from the state, but in this case his statement sounds like a political one, disguising itself as theological clothes ...

History is history ... Everyone calls historical characters heroes or enemies from their own point of view ... But these points of view on heroes-enemies, or on the number of streets are simply not enough ...

Let everything remain as it is ... For example, I am pleased that not one of the two existing monuments to Lenin was demolished in our town, there are streets - Lenin, Marx, and even Kominternovskaya ...

Let both Krupin and the Patriarch think that all these destruction-renaming are from the evil demon ...

PS And in general: there are a lot of problems in the country, and the boyars are again engaged in fornication at their meetings - both verbal and mental ...

Need to work ! Renaming the Voykovskaya metro station will not increase the country's economy, its defense capacity and the welfare of the people !!!

[atamankko]

I agree completely.

[kit-kat]

For whom is the "most holy", and for whom Gundyaev. I hate priests. Recently, the ROC has been more and more intruding into public and even political life. This speaks of the degradation of society.

[bober1982]

You have a sound idea, I mean .... about the degradation of society, but I would say about the degeneration of this very society, say directly from the texts of the holy books. These books just say about the last times, some degenerates will remain. The process has accelerated. And you say ... I hate priests

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

I’d say about the degeneration of this very society, speak directly from the texts of the holy books. These books just say

well, clearly, and salvation from degradation, of course, is the prerogative of the church. Hope only for her. The secular state is not charitable. We all degrade and die, if only ... And then the fun begins ...

[bober1982]

By what, or on whom hope depends on a person, by the way, no one is pulling into the Church. The church gives a person a choice - that is, freedom. And about the fact that the fun begins, I agree with you here.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

The church gives a person a choice - that is, freedom.

since when did the concepts of "church" and "freedom" become synonymous? What is common between dogmatism and freedom of choice, huh?

Quote: bober1982

Incidentally, nobody is pulling into the Church by the sleeve.

this was just not enough. She doesn’t need anyone’s sleeve, not a conquest or the Middle Ages. Mental processing through adepts and shepherding is much more effective.

[bober1982]

Mental processing through adepts and shepherding is much more effective ...

No processing will bring any benefit, sectarians with backpacks process it, but they don’t have a relationship with the Church, they come to the Church themselves when they press it. No adherents are needed.
There is nothing in common between dogmatism (?) And freedom of choice. The church leaves a choice for a person - with whom to be, in his choice he is free.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

Atheist - before the first shake of the plane.

Yes Yes. However, the idea is interesting - to take a priest to the staff of the Armed Forces, so that he would go among the pale hitting passengers with a donation box.

Quote: bober1982

they come to the Church themselves when they press it.

and they resort to drugs. And to vodka. And to psychoanalysts. And it happens that organs are sold. "Squeeze" is not an argument, comrade.

[bober1982]

As for the pale hocking passengers, I don’t know, I can’t say anything. And priests are willingly taken to the combat flight units.
As for "squeezing" - depending on how it squeezes, to whom and how it helps, you get complete freedom of choice, I agree.

[kit-kat]

So, the church (in all the variety of religions) is the most important sect, designed to conquer and strengthen the power of its elite.

[owl]

Quote: bober1982

The church gives a person a choice - that is, freedom

And I was thinking how to name the fact that for denying the existence of a "bearded guy in heaven" you can get a criminal record, and this turns out to be called FREEDOM voluntary-compulsory!

[bober1982]

Will you fantasize, say nonsense.

[kit-kat]

Quote: bober1982

Will you fantasize, say nonsense.

Allow me! How, "nonsense"? Last month, there was news that a person was brought to justice for commenting on the Internet, at the instigation of one of the "offended" sectarians.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: kit-kat

a person was brought to justice for commenting on the Internet, at the instigation of one of the "offended" sectarians.

well-oo-oo-oo, "the feelings of believers" are generally such a substance that it is better not to venture here, otherwise the comrades with a particularly delicate organization of the Orthodox soul will knock on VO "where to be".

[bober1982]

They did it right, unless you compose.

[owl]

Will you fantasize, say nonsense.

Correctly done, unless you compose

probably it’s called God-pleasing schizophrenia!

[bober1982]

Or Satanic Sabbath

[owl]

Quote: bober1982

Or Satanic Sabbath

You rush to you and know better!

[owl]

Quote: bober1982

Will you fantasize, say nonsense.

Fantasize this is to the Bible and "Article 148 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation" is today's God-pleasing reality and there are already enough precedents!

[Million]

And in VO there are many religious fanatics!

[heaps]

No, like atheists, mixed with Satanists

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: heaps

atheists

and what is wrong?

[Wheel]

Quote: Pinky F.

Quote: heaps

atheists

and what is wrong?

Apparently, sick from the fierce hatred.

[kit-kat]

[\ quote] Apparently, sick from the fierce hatred. [/ Quote]
In fact of the matter! Somehow not Christian.

[heaps]

No, just recently there have been too many articles on this anti-Orthodox resource. So it came to register, to ask for arguments. But there are no arguments.
So the site has been redesigned. A new trend has been noticed. Conclusions are made.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: heaps

Conclusions are made.

Comrade Major? Knock or just put penance on a site?

[owl]

Quote: heaps

Conclusions are made.

Can you anathema

[Mordvin 3]

Heap, and who does not allow you to carry faith in the masses? Write an article. Orthodox. With arguments. And then draw conclusions. And you never answered my question.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Write an article. Orthodox. With arguments.

maybe not on VO? The saints are sticking their noses everywhere. Ah, you see, he didn’t like the fact that people here talk about priests without proper reverence. Religious content on the network before ... "in general, you will be up to your waist" (c) Why drag it here?

[deman73]

maybe already enough foolishness tosses, rename everything and always look in the past that someone is to blame for the current troubles

[weksha50]

"Famous writer Vladimir Krupin"...

Um ... I think something about V. Krupin will be added to the place ...

Here is how the Russian writer Valentin Rasputin spoke about him: “According to the work of Vladimir Krupin, they will someday judge the temperature of life in the cursed era of the end of the century and how this temperature gradually transformed from physical suffering into spiritual hardening. The creative experience of V. Krupin in this sense is unique: he was more determined than most of us, no, even the most decisive ”...

Position of the author V. Krupin:
- negatively refers to sexual minorities, calling "pederast parades" parades of perverts.
- called corrupt officials servants of Satan ...

Reading the works of Vladimir Nikolaevich Krupin, you feel his enormous and sincere love for the motherland, for the Russian people. The writer explicitly pushes away such Western “values” as pragmatism, cynicism, sexual freedom, as well as popular culture. This is especially evident in the story “Yankees, go home!” In numerous articles and interviews, Vladimir Krupin has repeatedly spoken out negatively on issues of gender relations, the use of foreign borrowing in the Russian language and on other pressing problems of our time. On the pages of his works one can often find common expressions, elements of folklore, such as ditties, sayings, sayings, etc.

In a later period of his work, Vladimir Krupin goes over to the theme of Orthodoxy and in his works expresses the idea that it is the Orthodox faith that can save our country.

PS This is me, for understanding - who raised this issue of renaming ...

It seems that neither a hand nor a tongue rises in order to blaspheme the writer ...

However, my personal opinion is that the issue that is not relevant at the present time has been raised ...

[avg-mgn]

The patriarch actually began to be forgotten. Our church is constitutionally separated from the state. He was the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia elected by the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, and not by universal suffrage, such as the President of the Russian Federation. And it would not be necessary for him to meddle in the affairs of sovereigns, not his diocese. It seems that a rather warm relationship with Putmny turned the old man's head.

[Gray brother]

Quote: avg-mgn

And it would not be necessary for him to meddle in the affairs of sovereigns, not his diocese.

Looks like there is the will of the sovereign, the authorities had to once again disown the Soviet past by sagging under "human rights activists" - to show the West that the big and terrible USSR will never return, to reassure.
Yes, this time, it didn’t work out - people didn’t. Of course, the government and the insignificant intelligentsia bombed powerfully, and they decided to call up heavy artillery in the form of the mother of the church.
True, the caliber is small, and the attitude of the Russian Orthodox Church towards history is generally another story.
These deer have already spoiled so many churches with their "repairs" that sometimes you already want to remember the experience of the Bolsheviks.
But they also want Isaac to themselves - save the Lord from the morons.

[sogdianec]

In addition to insulting the Patriarch of Russia and the Orthodox Church, the Communists have no arguments. The dog barks, and the caravan of history goes. Time will pass and there will be no names and nicknames of criminals on the streets of our country.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: sogdianec

The dog barks, and the caravan of history goes. Time will pass and there will be no names and nicknames of criminals on the streets of our country.

OK. The caravan is coming. Imagine: 2020, the Muslim community of Moscow demanded to rename St. Sergius of Radonezh for religious reasons ...

[Batia]

I do not tremble with love for Yeltsin. Well? There is a library named after him and let him be. Memory must remain for posterity. Strongly against deleting from memory of surnames, monuments, etc. Thus, we spit on our ancestors, whether they are right or not, they are our ancestors, fathers, mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers.

[Not served]

I am not against the return of historical names to cities, streets. But let’s keep this principle then

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Didn't serve

I do not mind the return of historical names

well, not in this case. Metro Voikovskaya is a historical name (if 50 years can be considered history)
In addition, it is not directly named after Voikov, but in honor of the plant with his name.

[Jarilo]

I don’t really understand why Nicholas II was counted among the saints. By this logic, Gorbachev can be counted among the saints. In fact, they acted the same way. Both of them self-isolated at the time when their participation was required. One on bloody Sunday in the Palace Square, which served as the beginning of the first revolution of 1905, and the other, when there was the Emergency Committee with subsequent events that led to the collapse of the USSR.

[vanavatny]

first you need to shoot

[Al1977]

Quote: vanavate

first you need to shoot

And all the friends of his liberals !!!

[Wheel]

Quote: Jarilo

By this logic, Gorbachev can be counted among the saints.

As it grit, "it's not over yet."
I won’t be surprised.

[wandlitz]

In the city of Shadrinsk, the tradesman Nochvin built a hospital building for his money. And later there was a zemstvo hospital, and in Soviet times a maternity hospital. Now there is a museum. But Nochvin Street is not in the city. For that is, Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Sverdlov, Volodarsky, Lenin who did not hear about this glorious city.
In Soviet times, the street where the barracks were located was renamed Zhdanova Street (A.A. Zhdanov served there in the reserve regiment in 1914). In new democratic times, the street again became Mikhailovskaya.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: wandlitz

Lenin who did not hear about this glorious city.

Lenin did not hear about the glorious city of Mogadishu, but the street was there.
Yes, everyone will agree with you that opportunistic renaming is the fruit of a temporary delusional exaltation. But in the case of Voikovskaya Street, it is not clear what historical name to choose for renaming "back to .."?
There is no question of the metro - this is its historical name.

[bober1982]

In new democratic times, the street again became Mikhailovskaya

Everyone has gotten used to this street name for a long time (Shadrinsk, Mikhailovskaya), and it would never occur to anyone to call her the absurd name of Zhdanov, so no need to worry.
This street, this house ..... (former barracks)

[Not served]

I am not against the return of historical names to cities, streets. In my opinion this is correct. But let's also adhere to the same principle to everything. The metro station and side streets (there are five) were named so from the very beginning. This is our story and rewriting it is to open Pandora's box.

[VVooVVaa]

I do not give donations to the church. I do not want to increase the suffering of God's slaves from gluttony and the burden on their souls from the golden tzatsk

[Corsair5912]

To communicate with God, a person does not need intermediaries: paters, priests, mullahs, shamans, ganges, zyuvembi, etc. The church should not be made of stones and logs, but of flesh and ribs.
God is love.

Paul
1 Corinthians

20: 11 If I speak in human and angelic languages, but I have no love, then I am copper ringing or a cymbal sounding. If I have the gift of prophecy, and I know all the secrets, and I have all knowledge and all faith, so that I can rearrange mountains, but I do not have love, then I am nothing. And if I give away all my possessions and give my body to be burned, but I have no love, there is no use to me in that.
Love endures, mercy for a long time, love does not envy, love is not exalted, not proud, does not act outrageously, does not seek its own, does not get irritated, does not think evil, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth; covers everything, believes everything, hopes everything, transfers everything. Love never ceases, although prophecies cease, and tongues fall silent, and knowledge is abolished

[xorgi]

Philosophical-ethical dilemma: is it possible to exalt the killer who killed the killer?

[Corsair5912]

There are no dilemmas, every nation has the right to execute tyrants destroying the country.
Objectively, Nicholas II was an enemy of Russia and the Russian people, on his conscience two unnecessary lost wars, the Russo-Japanese and 1-I world wars, the death of millions of Russian soldiers and the undermining of the Russian economy.
He could not rule the country, had to renounce or change the way of government, the autocracy was replaced by a parliamentary monarchy.

[Not served]

Nicholas II was called "bloody" for a bloody Sunday, when soldiers shot a peaceful demonstration in December 1905, after which the 1905 revolution began and the Bolsheviks and others began to select this movement for themselves.
And people came with children and icons, by the way. And our church canonized him for the sake of something.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Didn't serve

Nicholas II was called "bloody" for bloody Sunday, when soldiers shot a peaceful demonstration in December 1905

and not for Khodynka?

[Not served]

By the way, yes, maybe. Because the coronation took place with great sacrifices.

[Pushkar]

Destruction of monuments, renaming streets - is this a return to the 90s or the Ukrainization of Russia?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Pushkar

Destruction of monuments, renaming of streets - is this a return to the 90s?

This is a return to 1917 and beyond...

[japs]

Quote: Guardsman
“History is history, but no stinking names should remain immortalized in it.”

Yeltsin Center...

[shark]

As a resident of Voikovskaya, I declare: leave us alone. If you don’t live on Voikovskaya, you don’t have the right to argue, rename, don’t rename. Change your street, district, station. But don’t touch ours. There was a survey, and it showed that we are happy with everything anyway.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: shark

As a resident of Voikovskaya, I declare: leave us alone. If you don’t live on Voikovskaya, you don’t have the right to argue, rename, don’t rename.

a plus!

[Not served]

I am also a resident of Voikovskaya and I am also against it!

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Not served

I am also a resident of Voikovskaya and I am also against it!

judging by the “-”, the faith fighters crawled into the branch and stuck minuses. Interesting - why do you care? For registration?

[sergo42]

Stop doing nonsense! Are there any more problems in the country? There is nothing for priests to do.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: sergo42

Stop doing nonsense! Are there any more problems in the country?

no-no-no, but what about the clamps?

[Gray brother]

Thank God that His Holiness Patriarch Kirill joined the question, which has long tormented the hearts of the Orthodox. He spoke with all clarity and certainty. But how can a murderer of his own people walk down the street?! How can you live peacefully near the Voykovskaya metro station?

For those who cannot live peacefully near the Voykovskaya metro station, I suggest exchanging their apartment without additional payment for a one-room apartment in Golyanovo.
Don't offer less than two kopecks.

[Samadhi]

residents have spoken. Are the people not the same again?

[vovan50]

It would be good to rename the Voikovskaya metro station to Vsekhsvyatskaya.

Or maybe just to "Stalinskaya"? Let them conduct such a survey now.

[Gardamir]

Is it worth worrying about the affairs of bygone days? Let's remember close times. Boris, who destroyed the country for the sake of power, is essentially a bourgeois coup d'état. How many homeless people and street children appeared with him? How many people died of hunger at the hands of bandits, which brought the country to the Chechen war. Why were the streets named and Yeltsin’s mausoleum built?

[Gardamir]

Judging by the minuses, there are still lovers of democrats and liberals in the country

[1rl141]

Voikov, that means, is a terrorist, Kirov is a murderer.... And Nikolai 2 is a lamb of God, innocently killed and must be canonized. Last year I was in Ganina Pit, this is the place where Nikolashka was buried. So there the Russian Orthodox Church launched such activities, both the monastery and the church and the monuments... I walked around, looked, read, and something became so disgusting from this fuss around the last king... Pure marketing, to replenish the pockets of the “holy fathers”.

[bober1982]

Voikov is a terrorist, a child killer, an internationalist maniac, a regicide. He can hardly be called a man, a ghoul. And is it possible to perpetuate his memory, idols must be removed.

[Corvetkapitan]

And what is the ghoul, thief and murderer Gaidar, because of whose anti-people reforms millions of Russian citizens died, better than Voikov, or Chikatilo, on what basis are universities named after this subhuman in Russia, are there really no more worthy people?! Why not name universities after: Mendeleev, Lomonosov, Popov, Lodygin and similar scientists?! Why in Russia with stupid persistence do they erect monuments to the drunkard Yeltsin, who did nothing good for Russia, the population of Russia under him was constantly decreasing, obviously not from a good life, the borders of Russia were also decreasing ?! When will the Russian government stop raising “manure on pitchforks”?! Yeltsin and others like him are the grief and shame of Russia, and don’t call the streets after them, but public pubs and toilets!

[bober1982]

Voikov is a terrorist, a child killer, an internationalist maniac, a regicide. Is it possible to perpetuate the memory of such a ghoul, these idols must be removed.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

Voikov -...these idols must be removed.

Pardon me, do you live on Voykovskaya? Or are you considering the issue “in principle”?

[bober1982]

This is how the Orthodox Church views this issue, in the words of one of its hierarchs:

....the symbol means connection. Through the icon, people communicate with the spiritual world, and the statues of demon-like creatures are icons of hell.
......these stone images are a magical connection with the underworld
.....in their names there is psychological violence against the conscience of the Orthodox people, in the spiritual there is the demonic initiation of the city.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

This is how the Orthodox Church views this issue

and who is interested in this orbit?

Quote: bober1982

, and the statues of demon-like creatures are icons of hell.

Comrade, what does your demon-fighting have to do with the subject? What the hell does this have to do with it?

Quote: bober1982

stone images

[bober1982]

Comrade! especially for you, without any orbits , and for other similar commentators:

Today Comrade Voikov was shot by a hired hand's bullet
Clench grief tightly in your teeth, twist your excitement firmly
V.V.Mayakovsky

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

Comrade! especially for you, without any spin, and for other similar commentators:

quote from the Declaration of Metropolitan Sergius -

We want to be Orthodox and at the same time recognize the Soviet Union as our civil homeland, whose joys and successes are our joys and successes, and whose failures are our failures. Any blow directed at the Union, be it a war, a boycott, or some kind of public disaster or just a murder from around the corner, like the one in Warsaw, is recognized by us as a blow aimed at us

[bober1982]

I was reproached for this very floridation, but the quote itself is not entirely appropriate.
The Church condemns any murder, including one like the one in Warsaw.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

The quote is out of place.

why so

Quote: bober1982

The Church condemns any murder, including one like the one in Warsaw.

The point is not in condemning the murder, but in the fact that the Metropolitan signed his loyal feelings towards the Soviet regime.

[bober1982]

Dear, the Church demands respect for any kind of power, even godless ones. I won’t cite texts from the holy books, but maybe you can take my word for it.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: bober1982

Maybe you can take my word for it.

I'll believe it.

[Corvetkapitan]

Before you demand something from someone, you need to cost something yourself. I am writing to you from Voronezh, in the Left Bank district of which, in the area of ​​the public transport stop “Polina Osepenko”, there is also a street named after this pilot. Church of the Russian Orthodox Church. A few years ago I bought a chain with a cross there, supposedly silver, and paid money as if for silver, and then it turned out that it was a fake. How do you think people will treat the Russian Orthodox Church if the Russian Orthodox Church robs the people?! It’s because of such priests - thieves who steal in the most disgusting way, covering their satanic activities with the name of God, in 1917 people went to destroy churches. I would hang such a priest with my own hands, and not because he, in fact, robbed me, but because he robbed me in the temple, covering the theft in the name of God.

[Sergei64]

Why was he silent then when he taught at the Literary Institute, at the Moscow Theological Academy, at other educational institutions...
It's not for nothing that...
Some other writers did not raise this topic at that time and even now.
This is not what you need to think about now, my friend.

[sivera1116]

Maybe I didn’t catch it or wasn’t knowledgeable enough, but who, forgive my impudence, did Marx kill?.. Should he be called a murderer for some reason?..

[capral14091975]

history must remain history. this is our past, present and future. We must learn not to repeat our mistakes, not to step on the same rake twice. We must remember it for centuries

[Stalnov I.P.]

WHO IS Krupin, I don’t remember such a writer, but I know well from history the second Nicholas the BLOODY, as he was called among the PEOPLE, that the patriarch forgot on January 9, 1905, when the common people with icons, images and portraits of the autocrat himself went to the “Tsar-Father” and was SHOOTED when hungry workers were shot in Lensk (Lensky shooting) 300 people died, when in 1905-07, along the Trans-Siberian Railway, General Ramkampf hanged people, according to various sources, from 6 to 9 thousand subjects of the Russian empire, no matter what Nikolashka knew about it, and Voikov in front of him is a little snotty boy, it turns out the royal family is people, ordinary people - NON-PEOPLE who can be killed in the thousands. The strange position of our patriarch, especially the strange position of the Russian Orthodox Church, the bloody murderer who plunged the country into crisis and collapse - Nikolashka, is elevated to the rank of saints. Well then, elevate Chikotilo to this rank, maybe send Yeltsin there too, and on his conscience are from 4 to 6 million RUSSIAN CITIZENS who simply died out during his reign, and the authorities built him a “hut” for 7 billion rubles. It turns out that bloodsuckers, murderers are in the honor of the authorities and the Russian Orthodox Church, and aren’t YOU going too far, our rotten rotten intelligentsia, the Russian Orthodox Church and the authorities.

[Gennady Alexandrovich]

Such renamings are similar to the unreasonable dumping of monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. Build a new metro station and call it “Vsekhsvyatskaya” and act like the Saint

[sergo1914]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: SU69
And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.
There is simply no one to go into them ... in our villages it is becoming less and less ...

The church restores only what is in its property. She is not interested in anything else. She is not concerned about the historical value of certain buildings. House churches were common in noble estates. Are they interested in the Russian Orthodox Church? Yes. Only upon transfer of ownership of the entire estate to the Russian Orthodox Church. Let's separate Russian Orthodoxy from the Russian Orthodox Church, ideology from business.

Regarding the stinking names of the killers. Read the details of the assault on Solovki in Raskol. The schismatics took refuge in the monastery for several years.

[Corvetkapitan]

I would like to remind this writer that using the names of Yeltsin, Gaidar and other crooks for the names of streets, libraries and universities is not only rudeness, but also a mockery of millions of Russian citizens who were driven into the grave by the anti-people reforms of these figures. I’m not even talking about that I, like millions of Russian citizens, consider the canonization of the weak-willed and stupid Tsar Nicholas II as blasphemy. If there had been order in Russia, then no Lenin with two million marks could have made a revolution in Russia. It was not Lenin who brought Russia to the revolution, but the tsarist officials, who were rude and stole, who did not give a damn about Russia and the people inhabiting it, and the result was the mediocrely lost Russo-Japanese War, Alaska sold for pennies, and the defeat of the Russian army in the First World War, which many modern scribblers have the audacity to deny.

[Pinkie F.]

No one is interested in the opinion of this geront. Muscovites have spoken - the toponymic issue is closed. According to the majority principle. I don’t like living on Voykovskaya, I have trouble sleeping - suitcase, taxi, Kapotnya.
Is anyone offended here that they talk badly about clericalism? Why not? A default figure, or what?

[Stalnov I.P.]

WHO IS Krupin, I don’t remember such a writer, but I know well from history the second Nicholas the BLOODY, as he was called among the PEOPLE, that the patriarch forgot on January 9, 1905, when the common people with icons, images and portraits of the autocrat himself went to the “Tsar-Father” and was SHOOTED when hungry workers were shot in Lensk (Lensky shooting) 300 people died, when in 1905-07, along the Trans-Siberian Railway, General Ramkampf hanged people, according to various sources, from 6 to 9 thousand subjects of the Russian empire, no matter what Nikolashka knew about it, and Voikov in front of him is a little snotty boy, it turns out the royal family is people, ordinary people - NON-PEOPLE who can be killed in the thousands. The strange position of our patriarch, especially the strange position of the Russian Orthodox Church, the bloody murderer who plunged the country into crisis and collapse - Nikolashka, is elevated to the rank of saints. Well then, elevate Chikotilo to this rank, maybe send Yeltsin there too, and on his conscience are from 4 to 6 million RUSSIAN CITIZENS who simply died out during his reign, and the authorities built him a “hut” for 7 billion rubles. It turns out that bloodsuckers, murderers are in the honor of the authorities and the Russian Orthodox Church, and aren’t YOU going too far, our rotten rotten intelligentsia, the Russian Orthodox Church and the authorities.

[1rl141]

Quote: bober1982

these idols must be removed.

And exalt other idols, such as Nicholas 2, for example. Although bloodier than Voikov, they are also dearer to someone’s heart. I even know whose, but let’s not point fingers.

[bober1982]

I even know whose, but I won’t point a finger

It’s not entirely clear, you speak in riddles, unlike Nikolai, how do you think he’s bloody, everything here is familiar - an old, “broken” record. To avoid being verbose, I’ll say -
Churchill came up with all this in 18 (about bloodier idols than Voikov himself)

[got137]

The funny thing is that the older people get, the more religiously intolerant they become. So is Krupin. But in this too you need to know when to stop. And then when former Komsomol members and communists suddenly turn to Christianity.)) I read it, “Water of Life,” There is nothing there. The usual humorous feuilleton, only larger in size. And suddenly, with tears and sighs, he begins to denounce and moan. An ordinary opportunist.

[Stalnov I.P.]

WHO IS Krupin, I don’t remember such a writer, but I know well from history the second Nicholas the BLOODY, as he was called among the PEOPLE, that the patriarch forgot on January 9, 1905, when the common people with icons, images and portraits of the autocrat himself went to the “Tsar-Father” and was SHOOTED when hungry workers were shot in Lensk (Lensky shooting) 300 people died, when in 1905-07, along the Trans-Siberian Railway, General Ramkampf hanged people, according to various sources, from 6 to 9 thousand subjects of the Russian empire, no matter what Nikolashka knew about it, and Voikov in front of him is a little snotty boy, it turns out the royal family is people, ordinary people - NON-PEOPLE who can be killed in the thousands. The strange position of our patriarch, especially the strange position of the Russian Orthodox Church, the bloody murderer who plunged the country into crisis and collapse - Nikolashka, is elevated to the rank of saints. Well then, elevate Chikotilo to this rank, maybe send Yeltsin there too, and on his conscience are from 4 to 6 million RUSSIAN CITIZENS who simply died out during his reign, and the authorities built him a “hut” for 7 billion rubles. It turns out that bloodsuckers, murderers are in the honor of the authorities and the Russian Orthodox Church, and aren’t YOU going too far, our rotten rotten intelligentsia, the Russian Orthodox Church and the authorities.

[GOGY]

Quote: sherp2015

Quote: engineer74

Somehow survived Leningrad-St. Petersburg ...

It’s a bit long to somehow reprimand ... Just Petersburg))

I don’t like why this is a German name, we are again groveling before the West, Peter the Great brought Germans to Rus', which led to troubles for many... For me, Petrograd or St. Petersburg is better...

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: GOGY

Just St. Petersburg)).. why is this German name... For me, Petrograd or St. Petersburg is better...

What about Yekaterinburg? Do you think Sverdlovsk or Kater is better?

[GOGY]

What does Ekaterinburg have to do with it? Or do you just want to get up? Do you want to sign up as a Bolshevik? Write down, it would be possible to discuss about Catherine 2 and what she did for the people, but I don’t want to and won’t, it’s not clear why you personally don’t like Petrograd? Or are you a fan of German?

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: GOGY

Why don’t you personally like Petrograd?

I don't like the idea of ​​four renames in 100 years. What you proposed would be the fourth already, no? Maybe it's time to stop this back and forth paranoia?

[GOGY]

Well, if you count, there have been 100 renamings in 3 years, so over the next century you can safely rename it a couple more times so that it doesn’t get boring, but... I actually didn’t suggest renaming, I just expressed my attitude towards the current name of the northern capital and other “burgs”, but I still didn’t know your opinion, good sir. I have the honor.

[GOGY]

Quote: bober1982

This is how the Orthodox Church views this issue, in the words of one of its hierarchs:

....the symbol means connection. Through the icon, people communicate with the spiritual world, and the statues of demon-like creatures are icons of hell.
......these stone images are a magical connection with the underworld
.....in their names there is psychological violence against the conscience of the Orthodox people, in the spiritual there is the demonic initiation of the city.

If such a conversation has already started, then the Bible says that God is disgusted by the worship of idols, images and everything that is made by the hand of man (Exodus 20:4-5, Exodus 20:23), so what will we do with such a hierarchy...?

[lopvlad]

The Patriarch should have kept quiet. In the new history of the church, the canonization of a person, the consequences of actions give rise to bloody sacrifices from 1905 to the present. I, of course, mean the canonization of Nicholas 2.
The Bolsheviks at least saved the country, though not without bloodshed, but if they had not succeeded, there would have been rivers of blood and Russia would have ceased to exist back in the 20s of the last century.

[Gunther]

Quote: Patriarch Kirill

It is impossible for the city and our toponymy to retain the names of criminals and terrorists.

That’s for sure, but you can’t tightly hug the heretic-schismatic “Pope” of Rome, and you’re not far from ecumenism.

[SklochPensioner]

“We will expect that something will change by Easter. It would be good to rename the Voikovskaya metro station to Vsekhsvyatskaya.
Author Vladimir Nikolaevich Krupin.

Ordinary provocation. The whole article and topic. For what?

[nivander]

Who is not at all worthy of being a saint is the weak-willed alcoholic N.A. Romanov and his Hessian fly

[Anisim]

I think nothing needs to be renamed... This is our history (good or bad) And all this hype is again another attempt to erase our memory... Volgograd needs to be renamed Stalingrad (a heroic and fateful city)

[Al1977]

It's time to put the liberals themselves against the wall!!!

[Bayonet]

Show off, show off... bye Russophobes have found a place!

[GOGY]

Quote: Al1977

It's time to put the liberals themselves against the wall!!!

In the meantime, they give you minuses, but if anything happens, I’m with you...

[Bayonet]

Quote: GOGY

In the meantime, they give you minuses, but if anything happens, I’m with you.

[reservist]

Quote: reservist

Quote: Zoldat_A

And we have as a new government-so let's rename, demolish, break ...

The fragmentary base of the monument is crushed,
Howls steel jackhammers.
Cool special cement mortar
It was designed for thousands of centuries.

It’s so fast the recount time,
And so the current lesson is clear:
Excessive care for eternity -
She, in fairness, is not for the future.

But how the stones clasped tightly,
Break them down by force - give out seven pots.
Excessive care for oblivion
Considerable work is also required.

Everything in the world made by hands,
Hands to force to scrape.
But the fact is that the stone itself -
He is neither good nor evil.

1981 year. Twardowski A.T.

[KRIG55]

There is no need to be like Ukrainian morons. This is HISTORY and it’s not for us to rewrite it. There, too, everything started small, and now in the city of Vinnitsa they are renaming 155!! streets (this is the time when there is nothing to eat).

[Hlavaty]

How tired these renamers are already!!!
In Ukraine they no longer know what else to rename. In Dnepropetrovsk alone, about 300 names of streets and districts have been changed. Moreover, fighters for democracy do this without using democratic principles at all: the population did not vote for these changes. Some left-wing commissions of “fighters and representatives of something” gathered and yelled at each other about how best to name a street after Bandera or Shukhevych. And then they voted themselves.

If someone itches in one place and the name stands across the throat and does not allow him to swallow, then the scheme of his further actions should be simple to the point of stupidity. You gather like-minded people, collect money, carry out explanatory work on “why it needs to be renamed” and achieve a local referendum-vote, where people (precisely those who live under this name) will express their agreement or disagreement with the proposed option.

And only this way and no other way. All other options are from the evil one.

[Olegater]

And this “author”, so to speak, goes there too. Yes, we are, in his words, beast-like, backward, crooked-armed and bow-legged, and we called the streets and cities historical figures because we have no “enlightened” people in Russia and in general the Russian people are hopeless. I read “about this scribbler” - Notable are Krupin’s constant favorite heroes - eccentric men, home-grown philosophers, wise holy fools, clumsily, naively, tongue-tiedly able to reveal the true essence of events, to tell the truth, courageously opposing the “leitmotiv” evil for Krupin - the lies that have permeated the modern social system, provoking both drunkenness and social apathy and moral indifference.
Yes, as I said above, they are so miserable and clumsy. But in the West everything is fine and prosperous. Well, how did he get out on time with his zilch. So go to where everything is perfect - to the west. Such shifters irritate me - With the beginning of “perestroika”, Krupin actively spoke from “state-patriotic” positions - and as a tendentious fiction writer (a novel-testament about the morals of the “sick”, flawed, in Krupin’s opinion, creative intelligentsia - before perestroika, everything suited him and the intelligentsia was not defective. And Kirov was Kirov, but then he was no longer happy with the name.

[romandostalo]

Well, thank God!!! Someone picked up the flag that fell from Novodvorskaya’s claws! I burst into tears and snot of emotion!!!

[TsUS-Air Force]

started for health with smart thoughts, ended for peace with stupidity!!!

[Warrior2015]

Let's think without bringing the communists and their opponents into the matter.

I have a simple question - why in Russia, where terrorism is one of the most brutally punishable state crimes, are some streets still named after terrorists and murderers? Maybe it’s finally worth changing?

In my opinion, the desire for peace within Russia and FINALLY for mutual reconciliation is a truly worthy goal of any Russian patriot.

[gammipapa]

On occasion, I acquired for myself an excellent bas-relief of Comrade Stalin from 38. Now it shows off where it belongs in the office above the desk. And I am immensely happy about this and proud of the great people of my country.

To say that I am a maracobes and do not understand what is good and what is bad is not correct, I understand and understand. But it’s not worth smearing people who have brought an incredible amount of positive things to the country. And no one has been able to do a lot of good without doing a lot of evil along the way, no one in the world has been able to do that and will not be able to do that, there will always be those who are satisfied and those who are not satisfied.