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"These names are defended by those who wish evil to Russia"Famous writer Vladimir Krupin hopes that the Patriarch’s speech at the Moscow City Duma will affect the renaming of the Voykovskaya metro station, named after the regicide ...


As reported, yesterday His Holiness Patriarch Kirill spoke in the Moscow City Duma at the invitation of deputies. In particular, the Primate of the Russian Church declared: “It is impossible that in the city, in our toponymy, the names of criminals and terrorists be preserved. I mean Voykov. This survey was completely unprofessional. Nobody could track anything - how many times who, what buttons pressed. ”

Vladimir Krupin, a well-known Russian writer, co-chairman of the Writers Union of Russia, argues in an interview with the Russian Folk Line, about how long our toponymy will be desecrated by the names of the terrorists and executioners of the Russian people.


Thank God that His Holiness Patriarch Kirill has joined the question that has long tormented the hearts of the Orthodox. He spoke with all clarity and certainty. But how can you walk down the street the killers of your people? How can you live quietly near the metro station "Voikovskaya", if it is known that Voikov is a murderer ?! For example, would someone like the Chikatilo metro station?

I am now in Vyatka, where there is a monstrous number of names in honor of the murderers - the streets of Lenin, Marx and other executioners flooded our favorite city. And Kirov had arms to elbow blood. Now, either the people are stupid, or they are justified by the fact that they are already accustomed to living in Kirov. For example, a certain lady says that if the former name of the city, Vyatka, is returned, she will not get married, men will supposedly consider her a Vyatka fool. But you can also be a fool of Kirov.

Why are we used to? There is a feeling that indifference to their homeland affects this issue. These names are defended by those to whom they are dear, who wish Russia every kind of evil, namely, the fifth column. How they poor will be hard on the Last Judgment.

We will wait for something to change by Easter. It would be nice to rename the station "Voikovskaya" in "All Saints".
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 1 2016 10: 20
    +9
    "it will not be possible to get married, supposedly men will consider her a Vyatka fool."
    Now who is she considered?
    1. Vend
      Vend April 1 2016 10: 25
      +86
      As I understand it, the world in Russia is worth someone across. Again a civil war was required, between the champions of the Reds and the Whites. This is like introducing discord into Russian society. So far, only two important topics can lead to a civil war: the theme of the 1917 revolution of the year — for and against, and the theme of the USSR — for and against. These two topics are intensely exaggerated by the enemies of Russia. It's time to stop verbiage and start living in modern Russia. But history must remain history, it is necessary to learn from its mistakes. Do not return what is already a thing of the past.
      1. Guardsman
        Guardsman April 1 2016 10: 37
        +3
        History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names
        When Stalin visited his mother the first thing she asked him - is there Tsar’s blood on him
        1. Kostyar
          Kostyar April 1 2016 10: 57
          +16
          Some kind of dill repeater ....?!
          This Medvedev loves to create the appearance of work, time zones, police, police and other such crap ..... Money is nothing more to spend, budget ....?!

          py.sy.: and vaabsche, you can look at it: not as an honor, but as a reminder of the past!
          1. antoXa
            antoXa April 1 2016 11: 25
            +3
            I put the minus article.
            There are many bloody spots in our history, it so happened that our history is full of severe upheavals, wars and blood. And Voikov (Weiner) is also part of the history of our country, a history that needs to be known, and not deleted.
            Tomorrow others will come and start looking for blood on someone else's hands. All my childhood I went to school, which was located on Flerova Street, the street was named after the hero of the Great Patriotic War, the commander of the Katyusha field rocket artillery battery, but isn't there blood on his hands? There is, of course, and for someone he is a Hero, but for someone he will be a killer. This is a very thin line and you need to be careful with this.
            1. Guardsman
              Guardsman April 1 2016 14: 09
              +7
              Do not confuse the blood on the sleeves of the surgeon with the blood on the sleeves of the executioner
              P.A. Stolypin

              So Voikov is a typical executioner who fulfilled the order of one of the odious banking houses, it was not for nothing that later IS Stalin cleaned up this Leninist comprador "guard" for a long time and stubbornly, with varying success.
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth April 1 2016 17: 52
                +6
                Quote: Guardsman
                So Voikov is a typical executioner, ....

                A. Stolypin? Have you heard about "Stolypin's tie"?
                "Famous writer Vladimir Krupin hopes that the Patriarch’s speech at the Moscow City Duma will affect the renaming of the Voykovskaya metro station, named after the regicide ..."
                The king signed the abdication on March 2.
                "The first official solemn meeting of the Holy Synod after the overthrow of the monarchy took place on March 4. It was chaired by Metropolitan Vladimir of Kiev (Epiphany) and was attended by the new Synodal Chief Prosecutor ...
                ... The next day, March 5, the Synod ordered that in all the churches of the Diocese of Petrograd the reigning house for many years "was not proclaimed from now on."
                http://maxpark.com/user/1533472929/content/966854
                How is the anointed one being fashionable nowadays? First?
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                2. the polar
                  the polar April 1 2016 20: 43
                  +4
                  Moscow, metro station Arbatskaya. The stucco collapsed and Stalin peered out from under it. Not 1 April.
                  Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/73432-v-moskovskom-metro-obvalilas-shtukaturka-i-iz
                  -pod-nee-vyglyanul-stalin.html
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                      1. Wheel
                        Wheel April 2 2016 01: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        but serves Satan!
                        And it serves those who pay.
                3. Weyland
                  Weyland April 2 2016 00: 12
                  0
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  How is the anointed one being fashionable nowadays? First?


                  Handed over. The first ones. And they paid for the betrayal - in full: by the end of 1918 out of 360 thousand Russian priests only 40 thousand were alive. From His servants, the Lord is asking how sterner he is, than with the laity ...
                  1. Wheel
                    Wheel April 2 2016 00: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Weyland
                    out of 360 thousand Russian priests
                    Hto more?
                    On page 113 of the "Russian calendar for 1917" (Petrograd, Typ. T-va A. Suvorin, Novoye Vremya, 1916), the following data are given: "as of January 1, 1915, 112629 clergy lived throughout the territory of the Russian Empire, of of them priests - 51105 people, deacons - 15035 and psalm-readers - 46489. "
                    Quote: Weyland
                    only 40 thousand survived.

                    And yes, today in the database of the institute “New Martyrs, Confessors, for Christ suffered during the years of persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church in the XX century.” - 33171 name, including those who were released in connection with the dismissal and lack of evidence.
                4. cdrt
                  cdrt April 3 2016 01: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  A. Stolypin? Have you heard about "Stolypin's tie"?


                  If the Stolypin tie had been put on the same number of revolutionaries that the Reds had worn in a month, then there would have been no revolution due to the physical disappearance of the Bolsheviks.
                  1. Corsair5912
                    Corsair5912 April 3 2016 05: 10
                    0
                    The Bolsheviks did not commit any revolution; study the history of Russia.
                    The February revolution of 1917 began spontaneously with the bread riot in St. Petersburg, the police began to beat women who smashed the bakery, the recovering war veterans from hospitals joined them, and Peter’s military garrison joined them.
                    It was not the Bolsheviks who forced the tsar to sign the tsar, but the generals and deputies of the State Duma, the Bolsheviks were not even there.
                    In October 1917, power in Russia passed not to the Bolsheviks, but to the 2 All-Russian Congress of Workers, Peasants, Soldiers and Cossack Deputies, an equivalent alternative to the Constituent Assembly at which the Bolsheviks had no advantage.
                    In the first government of the SNK of the RSFSR, the elected congress was not only the Bolsheviks, but also the anarchists, Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries.
                    The Bolsheviks took power in the summer of 1918, after the Socialist-Revolutionary rebellion and the intervention of the ANTANT countries coordinated with it, etc. etc.
              2. the polar
                the polar April 1 2016 19: 03
                +2
                Quote: Guardsman
                not without reason then did I.S. Stalin cleanse for a long time and persistently,

                You do not cover your stupidity and ignorance with Stalin, but rather engage in self-education.
              3. cdrt
                cdrt April 3 2016 00: 58
                0
                Quote: Guardsman
                So Voikov is a typical executioner


                Even in Moscow there is Kedrova Street - that generally a maniac killer and pedophile. The organizer of the first concentration camps and massacres, such as Zemlyachka and B. Kun.
                Also, at one time, thank God, they let him under the knife under Beria.
                But the street with the name of this nits remained.
            2. Good cat
              Good cat April 1 2016 17: 05
              +1
              The blood on his hands is the blood of the enemy who came to us with a sword!
            3. the polar
              the polar April 1 2016 19: 01
              +3
              So, according to the priest's understanding, only the bloody ghouls Yeltsin and Gaidar, who during the years of "perestroika" shed rivers of blood and killed millions, can they fence idolatrous temples?
              Here pop Cyril and once again showed his Russophobic essence.
            4. the polar
              the polar April 1 2016 19: 21
              +5
              It would be necessary to check this priest Kiryuhu for whom he works, stubbornly inciting social and interreligious hatred.
              It would be better to get involved in church pedophiles, if it was very combed
              1. Avantageur
                Avantageur April 1 2016 21: 26
                0
                Quote: Polar
                It would be necessary to check this priest Kiryuhu for whom he works, stubbornly inciting social and interreligious hatred.
                It would be better to get involved in church pedophiles, if it was very combed

                These pagan Christians crawl into all the cracks, ringing with their censes ... The Slavs warmed up, the Gundyaevskaya snake on their chest ... At this rate, the priests will soon begin to arrange crusades against the "infidels" ...


        2. Now we are free
          Now we are free April 1 2016 11: 08
          +39
          Those who wish Russia evil today DO IT OPEN. We have today, no matter how strange and funny it would be to say real democracy (better than the one that reigns in the US and EU) about the Eastern countries generally keep quiet. Navalny, Shendorovich, Svanidzy, and other "Ksyushadi" openly and without hesitation speak from TV screens and radio broadcasts about their attitude towards Russia, oh, excuse me for the country of their temporary stay ... Surganovs, Makarevichs, Akhedzhakovs and others give concerts throughout Russia while repenting (For us Russians) in front of the "whole world" especially in front of the collaborationist country that was once called Ukraine ... AND NONE of them are sent to the gulags because of their beliefs, they are not deprived of their property and are not expelled from the country, ANYONE. Any adequate and politically neutral person will doubt whether it’s so ... in Russia with its "Authoritarian Putin regime"? ..

          Because of the above, I, as a former moderate oppositionist, renounced this community, who calls itself the "Opposition", who spit with its impotent and stinking anger into the country (cross out) the Motherland. Yes, there are many thieves and "DB" in power today, unfortunately, BUT this does not mean that we should slide into marginal Russophobia (which we have witnessed over the past three years), seeing illustrative examples among celebrities and former "Idols".

          Why such a comment on the article? Moreover, the article itself speaks of the enemies of the Russian people and further on the list: Lenin, Kirov, (God forgive me) Marx, etc. .... As director Vladimir Menshov correctly said - Denial of the Soviet (de-communization) is the first step towards Russophobia ... Examples? Yes Easy! Abroad: Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, here are examples of how the "Battles with monuments" to Soviet wars / figures grew into fierce Russophobia ...
          Inside the country, everyone knows the personalities who in the 90s triumphantly jumped on the remnants of a great (maybe for some cruel) empire. These same personalities and their grown offsprings you can now observe in the front ranks of Russophobes in the country today ...
          1. Now we are free
            Now we are free April 1 2016 11: 09
            +25
            He himself was able to attend a meeting of students of nuclear scientists with Patriarch Kirill back in 2009. he made a very favorable impression on me personally: attentive to all the little things, communicating with everyone on equal terms and at the same time not shaking his status, a man with a lively mind and excellent understanding of young people, not only giving really wise answers regarding such things as the Internet, the nuclear industry etc...
            In this regard, it was very unpleasant to watch the scandal "With the missing watch" as well as to listen to such ("DB") figures as "Chaplin" who were the mouthpieces of the Russian Orthodox Church. This all cast a very nasty shadow on the ROC and personally on Cyril, but religion in Russia and in Russia has always served, serves and will serve as a spiritual bond, which sometimes means even more than the official policy of the state. Now (as we can see in the article) the Russian Orthodox Church is starting a "witch hunt" in the person of long-dead Soviet leaders. Guys, does it look like anything ??? I will tell you one country to look at (West of us). Does the ROC have any other business? Maybe they decided to take part in the mainstream / special Olympiad -Who will rename more "Soviet" streets, metro stations, cities? I congratulate the Russian Orthodox Church. Your rivals in this "Difficult" case will be: Fascists, Bendera, Russophobes and people simply deprived of the brain ...

            One good acquaintance told me -You know, not an atheist, BUT I am a CHURCH ATHEIST. To communicate with God, I do not need intermediaries, and even more so when, for communication with God, thieving, selfish marginals offer their services to me for money ...
            I REALLY hope that the number of people like my acquaintance will not grow BUT judging by what the ROC has been declaring and doing in recent years, the number of such people, educated, honest, not used to making a deal with their own conscience, will grow! The Church and the Patriarch personally must set an example of how to live / go through life (and by no means indulge in idleness, verbiage and "Witch Hunt") at such a difficult moment for the country and the people of Russia.
            The people are seemingly silent, but not because they are stupid (as they used to think on the sidelines of power) but because they are wise and see everything ... Like God, it’s not in vain that the proverb says -God is not Yermoshka, he sees a little! ..
            1. neo.
              neo. April 1 2016 12: 41
              +4
              Quote: Now we are free
              Does the ROC have any other business? Maybe you decided to take part in the mainstream / special Olympiad -Who will rename more "Soviet" streets, metro stations, cities? I congratulate the Russian Orthodox Church. Your rivals in this "Difficult" case will be: Fascists, Bendera, Russophobes and people simply deprived of the brain ...
              I share your opinion. And if this precedent happens, there will certainly be an avalanche of attacks by "These" on other names (streets, cities, ...). In such a swamp of discord will be drawn. that is what the current NovoDVORNIKI are trying to achieve.

              PS: I watched D. Kiselyov on the issue of renaming Voikovskaya after the Muscovites (majority) voted against.
              He so vividly described how Voikov and Co. killed the imperial family, almost for several days they dissolved corpses in acid (for some reason ?!).
              And everything was based on the testimonial notes of the traitor who emigrated for the cordon, who was threatened with execution (I don’t remember anyone), who was sponsored (given for food) by the bourgeoisie for pouring mud on Russia (doesn’t it remind anyone of the current?)
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS April 1 2016 12: 51
              +11
              Quote: Now we are free
              The Church and the Patriarch personally must set an example of how to live / go through life (and by no means indulge in idleness, verbiage and "Witch Hunt") at such a difficult moment for the country and the people of Russia.

              I do not understand why the Russian Orthodox Church creeps into worldly affairs?
              Obscurantism, however, grows stronger.

              1. Guardsman
                Guardsman April 1 2016 14: 38
                -4
                "BRAVO" they are happy to applaud you, you do their work for them
                1. owl
                  owl April 1 2016 15: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Guardsman
                  "BRAVO" they are happy to applaud you, you do their work for them

                  Fiercely throw these feces at people who think differently than you?!, But in the process of God-pleasing deed you did not notice that you yourself were head over heels in the village of Herma laughing
                  1. Guardsman
                    Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 35
                    -1
                    Fiercely throw these feces at people thinking differently than you?!,

                    yes it’s full of you; wink
                2. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS April 1 2016 15: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Guardsman
                  "BRAVO" they are happy to applaud you, you do their work for them

                  As far as I can see, these persons are just kindly treated by the authorities, just like a certain Mr. Gundyaev.
                  Are you trying to "pull an owl on the globe" laughing
                  1. Guardsman
                    Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 37
                    0
                    Well, what else can you expect smart from phantomas, you have a mind exactly on a comic book in the style of alatan
              2. Guardsman
                Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 34
                0
                The sect of representatives of neoliberals, together with the communes where in action, found a common enemy and atu, well, what is not new under the moon, as Carlos Markosian said - "the unity and struggle of opposites", the main enemy is to pick up a non-biting one, Orthodox tea is not Muslims - the head will remain in place, so that you play the role of a pug
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          4. RUSS
            RUSS April 1 2016 11: 33
            +2
            Quote: Now we are free
            Denial of the Soviet (de-communization) is the first step towards Russophobia ..

            Too clumsy and simple, that is, if we deny EVERYTHING that is Soviet, then I agree this is on the verge of paranoia, but what about a partial denial of the Soviet? It turns out "semi-Russophobe"?
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera April 1 2016 11: 39
              +5
              Quote: RUSS
              but what about a partial denial of the Soviet? It turns out "semi-Russophobe"?

              If you "partially deny" the basic principles of building Soviet society, then you are a real complete Russophobe. It is possible to disagree with certain points, but it was in Soviet times that the Russian people were at the peak of their development.
              1. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad April 1 2016 13: 48
                +2
                how UTB you easily equated Russia with the Soviet system!
                But what about the 1000 years of Russian history before? were all Russophobes? But what about the whole white movement? Russophobes too? today? there is no socialism in Russia now - you want to say that the whole government and the president are Russophobes? You have a very wide swing ...

                I understand that there are many Communists / Stalinists on the site. But there was life in Russia before them, there will be after.
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera April 1 2016 14: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  how is that

                  I explain to the publishers. The leaders of the RSDLP (VKPb, KPSS) are criminals> the Soviet system is criminal> treaties with the USSR, USSR regulations are criminal> revision of the results of World War II> territorial claims> reparations> hello the State Department> civil war> external control. Is it so nice?
                  1. vlad_vlad
                    vlad_vlad April 1 2016 14: 19
                    -1
                    no. You have a mistake in every step of the reasoning. how exactly do you imagine? Do we have "hello to the State Department" now? "Civil War"? or are you calling for this to return socialism?
                    1. Corporal Valera
                      Corporal Valera April 1 2016 14: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: vlad_vlad
                      You have a mistake in every step of the argument.

                      Justify
                      Quote: vlad_vlad
                      Do we have "hello to the State Department" now? "Civil War"?

                      Now not, but the USSR has not yet been recognized as criminal. There was an attempt, but it carried
                      1. vlad_vlad
                        vlad_vlad April 1 2016 19: 43
                        +2
                        according to your logic:
                        Suvorov -> not a socialist -> Russophobe
                        Denikin -> not a socialist -> Russophobe
                        More examples to give?

                        Enough to reduce the entire 1000-year history of Russia to 70 years of Soviet power! Russia is much more and more diverse.
                      2. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera April 1 2016 20: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        according to your logic:

                        No, this is according to your logic. Suvorov, could not deny the Soviet system, since it did not exist yet. As for Denikin, cooperation with the "allies" in WWI clearly does not count. However, well done, that at least under the Germans did not go, in contrast to other "Russophiles" like Shkuro and Krasnov.
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        Enough to reduce the entire 1000-year history of Russia to 70 years of Soviet power!

                        This is exactly the opposite. 70 years of peace are not given to wrestlers with Soviet values. But we still calmly treat Ivan the Terrible, Peter, Catherine, Alexander 3 ...
                      3. vlad_vlad
                        vlad_vlad April 1 2016 21: 49
                        +1
                        here we are of a completely different opinion.

                        But here is what I do not understand - you (the Communists) have been trying since 1996 to actively return to power. Well, good - Yeltsin spread rot. Well then? What have you achieved since 2000? Well, most people do not want to vote for you. UTB what does it mean that most of Russia-Russophobia? or most of your ideas do not like?

                        You have a chance - elections are coming soon.
                      4. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera April 2 2016 04: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        Well, most people do not want to vote for you.

                        You might think for Edro people want to vote! belay
                        I don’t know a single living person who would have given a voice for them. So do not excuse yourself about "most" of Russia. How to count, my friend. In any case, my personal convictions do not prevent me from calmly treating the pre-communist past. I don’t know what you want to do.
              2. owl
                owl April 1 2016 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: vlad_vlad
                We have now

                Who do you have it with?
              3. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera April 1 2016 14: 48
                +1
                Quote: vlad_vlad
                You have a mistake in every step of the argument.

                Yanukovych is a criminal> Ukraine is a corrupt state> denunciation of treaties with Russia> civil war> external control. Simplified diagram
          5. tolian
            tolian April 1 2016 21: 38
            +1
            Can you imagine a non-Stalinist communist? Is it difficult or impossible?
            1. owl
              owl April 1 2016 22: 21
              +2
              Quote: tolian
              Can you imagine a non-Stalinist communist? Is it difficult or impossible?

              For example, I can name five "currents"
              1 Marxism-Leninism
              2 Trotskyism
              3 Anarcho-Marxism (Old Man Makhno for example)
              4 Stalinism
              5 Communist currents of the agrarian sector based on Maoism (Khmer Rouge)
            2. Weyland
              Weyland April 2 2016 00: 18
              +1
              Quote: tolian
              Can you imagine a non-Stalinist communist?


              Like two fingers. Trotskyite, Maoist (however, Mao, in fact, is also a Trotskyist ... and even Commander Che, to be honest ...)
          6. cdrt
            cdrt April 3 2016 01: 04
            0
            Quote: vlad_vlad
            how UTB you easily equated Russia with the Soviet system!


            Well, they cannot openly admit that the red IS, which seized power in Russia at one time, did not set as its purpose to strangle the Russian people, which they did beautifully.
            So they attach their red killers to the Russian people and their achievements.
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      3. Now we are free
        Now we are free April 1 2016 11: 55
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Now we are free
        Denial of the Soviet (de-communization) is the first step towards Russophobia ..

        Too clumsy and simple, that is, if we deny EVERYTHING that is Soviet, then I agree this is on the verge of paranoia, but what about a partial denial of the Soviet? It turns out "semi-Russophobe"?

        Greetings Maxim hi
        In life, there is no everything absolutely black as well as everything absolutely white, everywhere there are spots of black or white ... The question is (if we speak from Menshov's quote) precisely in the negation of certain characters from "Ust" that are present on film and television in considerable quantities. By the way, almost all of these characters are Russophobes. I do not generalize, just all the names of such "Characters" are already known by the whole country, as well as their quotes, memes and songs ...

        With regards to you, the average Russian citizen, let you condemn the gulags, shootings, deportations, but you do not deny victory in the Second World War? You do not deny free education in the USSR, leadership in the space sector, etc. Why? Because you love your country / Motherland, and she, like you, had mistakes and wrong actions in her life, do you say that you are guilty before everyone and everything for living in this world from 1999-2016? This is our story ITS need to remember and learn from HER LESSONS but to live wed ... ad infinitum about the role of the USSR, this is a path to nowhere ... There was both good and bad and the same "Bloody USSR" saved the world from Nazism and launched man into space, in it I received a good free education in it "Bloody USSR" did not close the front doors of the apartments and this fact I am not going to deny ...
        1. cdrt
          cdrt April 3 2016 01: 05
          0
          Quote: Now we are free
          In life there is never everything absolutely black, like everything absolutely white


          Take, for example, German Nazism and its policy of destroying the mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews.
          What was white there?
  2. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 1 2016 11: 21
    +2
    Which ones?
  3. Vend
    Vend April 1 2016 11: 24
    +14
    Quote: Guardsman
    History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

    What does a stinking name mean? Any ruler can be brought under this bar starting from Prince Bus and Radogast. Ivan the Terrible is being poured with mud, and yet he destroyed far fewer people than the same Maria Medici. Prince Vladimir can also be muddy for destroying the religion of his ancestors. And if it weren’t for Stalin, it’s not a fact that Russia would now be. And so it can be said of all historical figures. There are no stinking names in history. There are deeds of people who left their mark on history. Not names should be considered, but deeds. This is our story. And she will forever remain ours.
    PS. And those who want to change their historical heritage can move to another country. Now there is no interference. Some did just that, now they ask for it back hi
  4. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 1 2016 11: 52
    +9
    Quote: Guardsman
    History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

    Voting was held among residents of Moscow and the people voted against renaming. The question is closed.
    Patriarch Kirill can even connect, even disconnect - he also had the opportunity to vote (of course, if he is the owner of a Moscow residence permit).
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka April 1 2016 16: 40
      +4
      Quote: Guardsman
      History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

      Voting was held among residents of Moscow and the people voted against renaming. The question is closed.
      Patriarch Kirill can even connect, even disconnect - he also had the opportunity to vote (of course, if he is the owner of a Moscow residence permit


      the Russian Orthodox Church has become too much in worldly affairs, small churches and churches are much more trustworthy than these pokatushki displays when the movement is paralyzed ... It may not be good to say so, but it seems that the Russian Orthodox Church as the CPSU begins to impose its opinion as the only right . About renaming - China is close by, a very diligent student, draws conclusions from other people's mistakes. They have the name Mao for criticism - a taboo, and they do not take down the monuments to him, although how much blood is on him? What about the name of Stalin? Nothing! Lenin ruled, if I may say so for several years, and even then it’s not a fact - about the last years, but is still present at the Square at all parades and processions. I do not urge to rename, although Stalingrad is a name that speaks to the whole world more than Volgograd and the Battle of Stalingrad will never be renamed the Volgograd or the battle on the Volga! But the Stalin Museum should be created, with all the achievements and shortcomings, only without liberalistic emotions, I just want to know more about that time, since in Soviet times his name was deleted from history ... And I would also like to conduct a survey about Are you interested in the center of Yeltsin with its slippers and a copy of the contract in Belovezhskaya Pushcha or the Stalin Museum? hi
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 2 2016 00: 38
      -1
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Voting was held among residents of Moscow and the people voted against renaming. The question is closed.


      Of course - "millions of flies cannot be wrong!"
      The opinion of the majority does not reflect the truth - it reflects only the opinion of the majority (c)
      1. Wheel
        Wheel April 2 2016 01: 04
        +3
        Quote: Weyland
        Of course - "millions of flies cannot be wrong!"
        The opinion of the majority does not reflect the truth - it reflects only the opinion of the majority (c)

        Yes Yes Yes! Sex minorities also support you!
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera April 2 2016 04: 56
        0
        Quote: Weyland
        Of course - "millions of flies cannot be wrong!"

        Are you talking about compatriots like that? Very liberal
        Quote: Weyland
        The opinion of the majority does not reflect the truth - it reflects only the opinion of the majority (c)

        And whose quote is that? Who is this genius? Isn't Shenderovich by chance?
        1. Weyland
          Weyland April 3 2016 00: 36
          +1
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Are you talking about compatriots like that? Very liberal


          I’m talking about the Communists — since, according to the teachings of their leaders, they don’t have a nationality! I am a convinced imperialist, monarchist and Orthodox- so I hate liberalists to the same extent!
          But I don’t remember the author of the quote, but what’s not a democrat is clear from the text!
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  5. ARES623
    ARES623 April 1 2016 12: 02
    +4
    Quote: Guardsman
    History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names
    When Stalin visited his mother the first thing she asked him - is there Tsar’s blood on him

    In history, there are almost no unequivocal figures to whom everyone at all times would have treated equally positively. Following the proposed logic, it is easy to come to the practice of Americans and simply number the streets, so we will please everyone at once. winked
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK April 1 2016 13: 14
      0
      In general, if we consider the events of history from the point of view of criminal law, then this is a network of monstrous crimes. In my opinion, history should be treated as a scientific entomologist who examines insects under a small microscope, these are the ones that are doing it, others are protecting there, etc. etc. Well, if we consider this or that historical person as a spherical horse in a vacuum, then it will probably be, for some it will consist entirely of shortcomings, and for someone, it will be purely of positive aspects (depends on personal sympathies and political preferences). They lived at that time and acted, one way or another, based on historical realities. Of course, I'm not talking about outright crimes and criminal anti-human regimes such as the fascism of their accomplices, etc.
  6. vladimirw
    vladimirw April 1 2016 12: 13
    -1
    Did you personally attend the conversation?
  7. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 1 2016 12: 25
    +8
    Quote: Guardsman
    History is history, but there should not remain immortalized stench names

    I'm doing ...
  8. your1970
    your1970 April 1 2016 12: 58
    +4
    "When Stalin visited his mother, the first thing she asked him was if he had the Tsar's blood on him"

    I don’t know where this quote came from and how much you can trust it (rather, this is a historical story), but vague doubts torment me:
    The Caucasus, with all due respect to elders and parents, remained wild enough at that time, and a woman (even a mother) would hardly have bothered with such questions to a man. It’s not her business to have a showdown with enemies, but the tsar is the enemy of her son! and she knew this. In addition, the Caucasus was pacified quite recently at that time and she could not have any love for the king, moreover, there could even be some pride in her son: my son killed the king himself !!!
    Psychologically, the whole quote doesn’t go to that setting and those people ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2016 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: your1970
      When Stalin visited his mother, the first thing she asked him was if he had the Tsar's blood on him "

      Stalin's mother, until the end of her life, regretted that her Joseph did not become a priest.
  9. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 3 2016 04: 34
    0
    The distortion of history leads to mass insanity, the brutality of the population and the insignificance of the state, for example: 3-th Reich 1933-1945 years, Bandera-fascist Ukraine 2013 -? years and others

    The angry fools are freaking out
    Always ready to crush and break,
    They can’t build something with their hands,
    And nothing can be created.

    Their ancestors destroyed crosses and domes,
    And Lenin in the Mausoleum interferes with them,
    All their breed is stupid and evil,
    For thousands of centuries, they have not become smarter.

    It’s not a monument for nods,
    Not for prayers, for memory erected,
    Not holiness, but history
    When will this fools befall?
  • perm23
    perm23 April 1 2016 11: 10
    +5
    You are right, I agree completely. This is a story and it is not necessary today, sitting in the apartment at the computer, to decide who and how was right or not. There is nothing to do, we decided to launch the Ukrainian bacillus. Rename, demolish. Some suffer from idleness and bad money.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris April 1 2016 11: 16
    +7
    What is the name of the metro station, it’s not cold or hot .. With your current education, you ask thirty year olds and younger who is Voikov? At best, they will say that the astronaut .. But there is a memorial in Russia according to the fate of which the people will tell you to demolish and forget (with the exception of the Orthodox part of the memorial). This is the Katyn memorial in Smolensk ..
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A April 1 2016 11: 21
    +17
    Quote: Wend
    Again a civil war was required, between the champions of the Reds and the Whites. This is like introducing discord into Russian society. So far, only two important topics can lead to a civil war: the theme of the 1917 revolution of the year — for and against, and the theme of the USSR — for and against.

    Oh well them in FIG! Now they will begin to demolish the monuments to Lenin, then they will come up with lustration ... Winds from Svidomlyandii breathed, or what?

    In Madrid, they say, over the past 400 years, not a single street has been renamed - and in Madrid there were reasons to rename the streets - great! And the Valley of the Fallen there too - everyone is buried in a row. Republicans, phalangists and others - almost 35 thousand. Together. This is an act of reconciliation!

    And we have as a new government-so let's rename, demolish, break ... They can’t do smarter things, and they are struggling
    Collective farm Red Sickle or the village of Mindyukino?
    1. reservist
      reservist April 1 2016 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      And we have as a new government-so let's rename, demolish, break ...

      The fragmentary base of the monument is crushed,
      Howls steel jackhammers.
      Cool special cement mortar
      It was designed for thousands of centuries.

      It’s so fast the recount time,
      And so the current lesson is clear:
      Excessive care for eternity -
      She, in fairness, is not for the future.

      But how the stones clasped tightly,
      Break them down by force - give out seven pots.
      Excessive care for oblivion
      Considerable work is also required.

      Everything in the world made by hands,
      Hands to force to scrape.
      But the fact is that the stone itself -
      He is neither good nor evil.

      1981 year. Twardowski A.T.


  • asadov
    asadov April 1 2016 11: 53
    +4
    I agree completely. What will change from renaming? Other people will live, take up the mind? What has changed from renaming the police to the police? NOTHING. Just to this noise, people did their thing.
    And he would advise the Patriarch to first understand the church matters.
  • Bacha
    Bacha April 1 2016 12: 09
    +7
    Herney engaged like Svidomo! You might think we have no more problems. Itches to rename, rename the city back to Stalingrad, the whole world knows it. And not inside the country to arrange srach. And all over the world they will remember that in Russia there is still such a city, maybe some of the imperial ambitions will diminish.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw April 1 2016 12: 12
    +6
    Agree to 110%.
    Voikov may have participated in the execution of the tsar, the former tsar, the tsar, who abdicated the throne, from his backgammon, deserted during the war.
    But Voikov died at the hands of the White Guard terrorists in a military diplomatic post, defending the interests of his homeland!
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 1 2016 20: 11
      +8
      Quote: vladimirw
      Voikov may have participated in the execution of the tsar, the former tsar, king who abdicatedfrom his people

      That’s it ... It is by definition no longer king. Not a monarch, not a leader of the country. None. That's why power was given to him from God (ha ha !!!) so that he would live by the king and die by the king. And in Yekaterinburg, they did not shoot the king, but a deserter with his family. And to become a saint, as the Russian Orthodox Church blinded him, he has exactly the same rights as any other who died in a Civil family ... Humanly, maybe his family is sorry, but just as much as everyone else ...
    2. Weyland
      Weyland April 2 2016 00: 24
      0
      Quote: vladimirw
      But Voikov died at the hands of the White Guard terrorists in a military diplomatic post, defending the interests of his homeland!


      Do not distort! Coverda shot him precisely in revenge for regicide, and not because he defended the interests of his homeland in a military diplomatic post! Negative!
  • Altona
    Altona April 1 2016 12: 33
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    As I understand it, the world in Russia is worth someone across. Again a civil war was required, between the champions of the Reds and the Whites. This is like introducing discord into Russian society.

    ---------------------
    And as I understand it, someone wants to put the throne in the Kremlin again, and "anoint the kingdom" of the next monarch. Again these monarchical nonsense about the vale of our Russian and the need to take the all-powerful path at the head of the Slavic kingdoms. We drove it like a century ago. Tsarism and capitalism do not live in one bundle.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager April 1 2016 14: 59
      -1
      He lives, I think, and lives normally. It is you who tremble - the KING, but in fact the head of the whole state. Some kind of word game. Which is what our President does (the king’s functions). The unity of command in the armed forces is also from there. As far as I see, the system of one boss and one responsible is the most effective - over everything and for everything. And try to figure out who really rules in Fashington, with such a kaleidoscope of people in power, and you will find out that this is some kind of stable formation (the same king). Something like this.
      1. Altona
        Altona April 1 2016 21: 09
        0
        Quote: St. Propulsion
        He lives, I think, and lives normally. It is you who tremble - the KING, but in fact the head of the whole state. Some kind of word game. Which is what our President does (the king’s functions). The unity of command in the armed forces is also from there. As far as I see, the system of one boss and one responsible is the most effective - over everything and for everything. And try to figure out who really rules in Fashington, with such a kaleidoscope of people in power, and you will find out that this is some kind of stable formation (the same king). Something like this.

        ----------------------
        All this is described in a short aphorism of the KGB Major General Shebarshin: "The advantage of a dictatorship over democracy is that you are dealing with one swindler instead of several."
    2. your1970
      your1970 April 1 2016 17: 54
      +1
      "Tsarism and capitalism do not live in one bundle."
      Well, you are fundamentally wrong, and still happily living. The birthplace of capitalism as such is Britain, and who rules it? Right - the queen ....

      Here is a list of states with a monarchical system and territories under their crown:
      Europe
      * Andorra - co-princes Nicolas Sarkozy (with 2007) and Joan Enric Vives-i-Sicily (c 2003)
      * Belgium - King Albert II (with 1993)
      * Vatican - Pope Benedict XVI (with 2005)
      * UK - Queen Elizabeth II (with 1952)
      * Denmark - Queen Margrethe II (with 1972)
      * Spain - King Juan Carlos I (with 1975)
      * Liechtenstein - Prince Hans-Adam II (with 1989)
      * Luxembourg - Grand Duke Henri (with 2000)
      * Monaco - Prince Albert II (with 2005)
      * Netherlands - Queen Beatrix (with 1980)
      * Norway - King Harald V (with 1991)
      * Sweden - King Charles XVI Gustav (with 1973)
      Asia.
      * Bahrain - King Hamad Ibn Isa Al-Khalifa (with 2002, Emir in 1999 — 2002)
      * Brunei - Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah (with 1967)
      * Bhutan - King Jigme Khesar Namgyal Wangchuk (with 2006)
      * Jordan - King Abdullah II (with 1999)
      * Cambodia - King Norodom Siamoni (with 2004)
      * Qatar - Emir Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani (with 1995)
      * Kuwait - Emir Sabah al-Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah (with 2006)
      * Malaysia - King Mizan Zaynal Abidin (with 2006)
      * United Arab Emirates UAE - President Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan (with 2004)
      * Oman - Sultan Qaboos bin Saeed (with 1970)
      * Saudi Arabia - King Abdullah Ibn Abdel Aziz Al-Saud (with 2005)
      * Thailand - King Bhumibol Adulyadej (with 1946)
      * Japan - Emperor Akihito (with 1989)

      so he lives and lives happily - the monarchy (41 state) and capitalism ... And not frail shifts, but there are quite serious states
      1. Altona
        Altona April 1 2016 21: 07
        0
        Quote: your1970
        Well, you are fundamentally wrong, and still happily living. The birthplace of capitalism as such is Britain, and who rules it? Right - the queen ....

        -----------------------
        No need to play with terms ... You listed the states of the representative (decorative) monarchy and for some reason dragged Great Britain, which is proud of democracy, not the royal court. In these countries, the constitution is strong, where the functions of the monarch are not as wide as the autocrat of Russia, who, according to the law, had to personally respond to petitions, which now even the presidents themselves do not do, leaving it at the mercy of their own apparatus of lawyers. So first study the materiel, and then throw off the list of "monarchies", most of which are decorative and do not globally affect the life of their state.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 1 2016 21: 48
          0
          this is not affected in Asia ???? yeah, well, well ...
          And with the Constitution in the UK, too, a little strain - just as it is legally NOT ...
          And the influence of the Pope in the world (not to mention the Vatican) is "decorative" (judging by your answer) ...
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 1 2016 21: 48
        +2
        Quote: your1970
        "Tsarism and capitalism do not live in one bundle."
        Well, you are fundamentally wrong, and still happily living. The birthplace of capitalism as such is Britain, and who rules it? Right - the queen ....

        The list is correct and comprehensive. Only one "BUT". Show me, please, on this list the country where the power REALLY belongs to the monarch. All these are puppet, declarative monarchies. And you monarch - a beautiful cherry on an oligarchic parliamentary cake ... It is unlikely, as in the same small Britain the head of state can de facto be a person whose almost main and almost only duty is to distribute the prefixes "sir" that are not clear to anyone.
        Sir (English sir, Sir, from Old French sieur, mister sovereign, in turn from lat. senior, an honorary naming of a man in the English-speaking world, which has two meanings - title and appeal.
        The lord of whom or what is Mrs. Elton John? In a capitalist society, the modern monarchy is a caricature of power, atavism. Like an appendix ... laughing

        Maybe, with the exception of the Sultans-Emirs of the Gulf and the Arabian Peninsula. But there the emir is the master. And how to call him - president, king or dictator - the tenth matter. The irremovability of power, the presence of an oil well and three dozen skyscrapers are not full-fledged capitalism. It’s just a ruling family pumping oil. And in the capitalist post-industrial society in which Europe, for example, now lives (for example !!!), they have not gotten into this way since the beginning of the 70's. As feudalism was there, it remained. Only with skyscrapers. And capitalism does not smell there.

        More about capitalism, imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism, the absolute and constitutional monarchy is written in the textbook on social science for the 10 class of the Soviet school. hi
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 1 2016 22: 07
          +2
          I repeat, the formula that reigns but does not rule is somewhat incorrect for the UK, there are many nuances
          Classical imperialism - I agree completely - this is the United States ...
          hi read, read, and even the assessment was four, as well as the April theses outlined ..
  • Pereira
    Pereira April 1 2016 13: 01
    +3
    Renaming metro stations is the last in the list of tasks facing the country. MF the rest will figure it out, then we'll talk about this.
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera April 1 2016 10: 25
    +26
    a monstrous number of names in honor of the killers - the streets of Lenin, Marx and other executioners flooded our beloved city. And Kirov had his hands to the elbow in blood.

    Bortsunov with monuments - unequivocally. Take care of your eyes!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      Bortsunov with monuments - unequivocally in Nenko

      On April 12, 1918, a decree of the Council of People's Commissars “On the Monuments of the Republic” was signed by Lenin, Stalin and Lunacharsky, according to which thousands of monuments of old Russia were officially destroyed.
      The material symbols of the Russian Empire were subjected to barbaric destruction even before the decree was issued: during two revolutions of 1917, the angry crowds of non-people who spit on the whole history of Russia smashed everything and everything, demolished and ruined monuments to prominent people, cultural figures, not stopping at the desecration of graves and crypts.
      What we sow, we reap!
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera April 1 2016 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        On April 12, 1918, a decree of the Council of People's Commissars “On the Monuments of the Republic” was signed by Lenin, Stalin and Lunacharsky, according to which thousands of monuments of old Russia were officially destroyed.

        So you are an Orthodox Bolshevik
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 1 2016 10: 43
          +1
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          So you are an Orthodox Bolshevik

          Something new - the Bolsheviks were aggressive atheists, Valera!
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 1 2016 10: 58
            +1
            Quote: Bayonet
            Something new - the Bolsheviks were aggressive atheists, Valera!

            Plus you, cap, for "deep knowledge", but does not change the essence
        2. Senior manager
          Senior manager April 1 2016 15: 02
          +1
          Valera. And you read the Bayonet post, otherwise the clamshells are obtained.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 1 2016 15: 10
            0
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            Valera. And you read the Bayonet post, otherwise the clamshells are obtained.

            And what's the mess, proportional? It was a sinful thing, I thought, that we had already outgrown the days of village peasants, smashing monuments and churches with rapture. But it turned out that they are still full, ready to destroy everything that does not correspond to their ideas about values
      2. Your friend
        Your friend April 1 2016 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: Bayonet
        What we sow, we reap!

        Do you want to be like? And how do you differ from them?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 1 2016 20: 07
          0
          Quote: Your friend
          Do you want to be like? And how do you differ from them?

          No, I do not wish. I think this is more characteristic of you dear. Admit how the desecrated monument. Weak? wink
    2. fif21
      fif21 April 1 2016 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      Bortsunov with monuments - unequivocally. Take care of your eyes!
      I agree with you. This businessman has long been pulled from religion! Do not go into worldly affairs, fool your grandmothers about the eternal soul and sit still. How do his calls differ from the communist? Nothing, the sign is only different, white victims, red executioners. Humanity is thousands of years old, and this businessman is trying to us to breathe in his sermons! From birth to death in our church, know pay! Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, church ghouls. hi
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser April 1 2016 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: fif21
        Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, ghouls of the church

        Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants - Puritans (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser April 1 2016 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: fif21
        Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, ghouls of the church

        Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants - Puritans (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 1 2016 12: 43
          +1
          Quote: OldWiser
          Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants
          This is criticism of the Russian Orthodox Church by the Old Believers!
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        3. ARES623
          ARES623 April 1 2016 13: 28
          0
          Quote: OldWiser
          (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)

          Excuse me, did you intentionally omit the punctuation marks? Or how? Neither God nor church are needed?
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 1 2016 14: 51
            +1
            OldWiser (2) RU Today, 12:19 ↑
            Quote: fif21
            Preying on everything, on the mountain of people and on joy, ghouls of the church
            Word for word - criticism of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants - Puritans (God is in the soul and the church is not needed)


            I’m your minus in the drum. And you learn Russian, come in handy ..... smile
          2. Tatyana_VV
            Tatyana_VV April 1 2016 14: 54
            0
            Not needed. Categorically.
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 April 1 2016 15: 33
              0
              Quote: Tatyana_VV
              Not needed. Categorically.

              Pulled by pessimism and some kind of disorder. I think the time will come, priorities will change, faith in an immortal soul will appear ...
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  • Remover
    Remover April 1 2016 10: 25
    +9
    Is our church not separated from the state? Maybe the Patriarch has nothing more to do, otherwise the priests are drunk on civilians and they are pressuring civilians, and he is concerned about renaming the metro station
    1. SU69
      SU69 April 1 2016 11: 30
      +15
      Quote: Mate
      Is our church not separated from the state? Maybe the Patriarch has nothing more to do, otherwise the priests are drunk on civilians and they are pressuring civilians, and he is concerned about renaming the metro station

      In Nizhny Novgorod, the Russian Orthodox Church is actively squeezing property.
      The officers' house was taken away, and there were dozens of circles and sections. Children are on the side. Just before the revolution, this building was partially occupied by the female diocesan school.
      Now the building of the conservatory is being squeezed out (the issue is almost resolved). Before the revolution, church authorities were sitting in it.
      All real estate in the city center.
      And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.
      In the 2014 year of the Russian Orthodox Church, the state allocated over 6 billion rubles from the budget of the Ministry of Culture.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 1 2016 11: 38
        -6
        Quote: SU69
        In Nizhny Novgorod, the Russian Orthodox Church is actively squeezing property.

        A fine line between spin and return.
        Quote: SU69
        The officers' house was taken away, and there were dozens of circles and sections.

        That is, the children were not provided in return for the lost?
        Quote: SU69
        And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.

        There is simply no one to go into them ... in our villages it is becoming less and less ...
        Quote: SU69
        In the 2014 year of the Russian Orthodox Church, the state allocated over 6 billion rubles from the budget of the Ministry of Culture.

        Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.
        1. SU69
          SU69 April 1 2016 12: 05
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          A fine line between spin and return.

          Remember the movie: "That gasoline, and then - children!"
          Quote: RUSS
          That is, the children were not provided in return for the lost?

          some were shoved to other places, and some were covered.
          Quote: RUSS
          There is simply no one to go into them ... in our villages it is becoming less and less ...

          They are simply not economically viable, and there are enough grandmothers in them.
          Quote: RUSS
          Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.

          Or maybe it was better to make circles and sections free?
          1. owl
            owl April 1 2016 12: 31
            +5
            Quote: SU69
            Or maybe it was better to make circles and sections free?

            This is not a godly deed, as well as giving life = money to terminally ill children whom the whole world collect "SMS" (for example, instead of a pilgrimage to penguins)
            But the stations rename it charitable deed!
            My opinion: let all the bearded devils cooperate and will build their station(at least there will be any benefit from them) and they will call her as their rotten little soul whatever!
        2. Aleksandr69
          Aleksandr69 April 1 2016 12: 21
          +2
          Come to us in Tver and see: what was destroyed was left destroyed, but there are a lot of remodelers ...
          And explain to me, if the people are against the construction of a church in the city center (and they demolished it precisely because it interfered with the movement, then why restore it in its original place, in our century, and without that "traffic jam" movement)
        3. fif21
          fif21 April 1 2016 12: 44
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.
          A naive Chukchi young man?
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        5. Al1977
          Al1977 April 1 2016 15: 45
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          Most went to the restoration and reconstruction of temples.

          Which then bring a net profit. Effective investment. With every church, tribute is collected and there is a plan.
      3. fif21
        fif21 April 1 2016 12: 32
        +5
        Quote: SU69
        And in many villages there are dilapidated churches.
        The bourgeois will restore, as always for the people's money laughing Church is one of the tools for managing the electorate. Humility, obedience to the authorities - this is the task that the Russian nouveau riche poses before the church. Well, they pay them decently for it. From politicians to gangsters, on whose account there is more than one human life, forgives all the churches, forgives sins laughing Those sins that the human mind cannot and will never forgive. God will forgive! But not me! am
        1. owl
          owl April 1 2016 12: 58
          +5
          Quote: fif21
          Humility, obedience to the authorities - this is the task posed by the Russian nouveau riche in front of the church

          So the church from time immemorial has been an instrument of legitimizing the power of those in power (with the exception of those who took them away from the feeder).
          "Religion is one of the types of spiritual oppression that lies everywhere and everywhere on the masses, crushed by the eternal work for others, want and loneliness. The impotence of the exploited classes in the struggle nature gives rise to faith in gods, devils, miracles, etc. The one who works and needs all his life, religion teaches humility and patience in earthly life, comforting with hope for a heavenly reward. And those who live in other people's labor, religion teaches charity in earthly life, offering them a very cheap excuse for their entire exploitative existence and selling tickets for heavenly prosperity at a reasonable price. Religion is the opium of the people. Religion is a kind of spiritual futility, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demands for a life worthy of a human being "V.I.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland April 2 2016 00: 33
            0
            For me, WIL is not an authority. The trick is that the Church not only teaches this, and not only subjects.
            "If the basileus (ie the emperor) forgets the" fear of God ", he will inevitably fall into sins, turn into a despot, will not adhere to the customs established by the fathers - at the intrigues of the devil, he will do something unworthy and contrary to God's commandments, become hated by the people, the synclite (= the Senate) and the Church, will be unworthy to be called a Christian, deprived of his post, subjected to anathema, and, in the end, killed as a "common enemy" by any of the "rulers" or "subordinates." (Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus, "On the management of the empire")
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      5. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 1 2016 13: 02
        +4
        Quote: SU69
        In Nizhny Novgorod, the Russian Orthodox Church is actively squeezing property.
        The officers' house was taken away, and there were dozens of circles and sections

        There are many such examples throughout Russia.
        Quote: SU69
        In the 2014 year of the Russian Orthodox Church, the state allocated over 6 billion rubles from the budget of the Ministry of Culture.

        Anti-crisis program? They don’t allocate children’s cinema. I catch myself thinking that crazy people have come to power in our country.
    2. fif21
      fif21 April 1 2016 12: 12
      +6
      Quote: Mate
      and then priests drunk on cars peaceful people crush
      Yes, if only crushed! They cripple human souls, call for humility and humility, they make slaves of people, and at the same time they collect money for their comfortable life.
      1. cap
        cap April 1 2016 13: 44
        0
        Quote: fif21
        Quote: Mate
        and then priests drunk on cars peaceful people crush
        Yes, if only crushed! They cripple human souls, call for humility and humility, they make slaves of people, and at the same time they collect money for their comfortable life.


        "Religion-opium for the people" (c).
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 1 2016 14: 03
          -1
          Quote: cap
          "Religion-opium for the people" (c).
          Accurate quote: religion is the opium of the people "
        2. Weyland
          Weyland April 2 2016 00: 35
          +1
          Quote: cap
          Religion-opium for the people


          Only when Novalis said this (40 years before Marx, huh!) - in Europe, opium was known only as pain reliever. In those days, drugs were not in fashion - vodka cost!
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  • vlad66
    vlad66 April 1 2016 10: 36
    +26
    I am now in Vyatka, where there is a monstrous amount of names in honor of the killers - Lenin, Marx and other executioners streets flooded our beloved city.

    Did you get the infection from Khokhlov’s horses, can we start demolishing the monuments? Or I picked up history from fans of mattresses, I don’t justify the regicide, but Nikolai2 is also Yanukovosch number 1, he failed the empire, and it would be better to ask the people instead of the deputies about renaming.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: vlad66
      Or from the mattresses of fans to rewrite history picked up,

      The Bolsheviks did not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in tsarist times. The current democrats do not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in Soviet times. Do not you find that the approach to the value of the monuments is the same?
      By the way, "mattress makers" did not blow up their monuments. hi
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 April 1 2016 10: 57
        +10
        Quote: Bayonet
        . The current democrats do not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in Soviet times.

        Remind your colleague what and where the current monuments were demolished? In the 90s, they demolished, the streets renamed it yes, and now? By the way, we haven’t touched a single monument in our city, renamed several streets and the central Lenin Avenue, just divided in the middle and one side became Krestovoi Street , the other remained Lenin Avenue, but that was in 1992, and not now.
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 1 2016 12: 16
          +1
          Quote: vlad66
          By the way, not a single monument was touched in our city, several streets were renamed
          We have demolished a monument to Lenin and erected a monument to Count Shuvalov. Slaves and assholes, what else can you say.
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        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 1 2016 19: 51
          0
          Quote: vlad66
          Remind your colleague which monuments were demolished and where?

          I had in mind post-Soviet Russia. hi
      2. fif21
        fif21 April 1 2016 13: 08
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        The Bolsheviks did not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in tsarist times. The current democrats do not hesitate to destroy the monuments erected in Soviet times.
        And what do you want? 9 out of 10 former members of the CPSU laughing laughing laughing
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    2. udincev
      udincev April 1 2016 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: vlad66
      it would be better if they asked the people, not the deputies

      Yes, and it is necessary to legislate, such as:
      "toponymic preferences of objects for political reasons not more often than once every 100-200 (?) years"
    3. Amurets
      Amurets April 1 2016 11: 55
      +5
      Quote: vlad66

      From the Khokhlov horses, the infection was transmitted or something, can we begin to demolish the monuments?

      Why are you arguing? Look at all the possible talk shows? Doesn't it remind me of anything? The elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation will be held on September 18, here you have to remind yourself in advance, that’s all nonsense, if only they talked about you, and there you look and they will support the elections, maybe they will. Since official campaigning is forbidden, we must remind ourselves of all sorts of scandalous statements.
  • kitamo
    kitamo April 1 2016 10: 40
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    "it will not be possible to get married, supposedly men will consider her a Vyatka fool."
    Now who is she considered?


    article w says
    Kirov fool
  • weksha50
    weksha50 April 1 2016 10: 46
    +2
    Quote: Mavrikiy [b
    ] And now, who is she considered? [/ B]



    Simple-minded ...
  • Lelek
    Lelek April 1 2016 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    will not get married



    Mdya In our life, we need to think sexually with our heads.
    IMHO, do not be like "dill" and "psheprosh". History is history with its pro and vs. Science fiction writers often assume (and not without reason) that a butterfly crushed in the past will backfire in the future. However, I do not pretend to be true in the first instance - maybe I am wrong. fool
  • vanavatny
    vanavatny April 1 2016 10: 22
    +6
    and the role of Nicholas 2 His Holiness Patriarch Cyril does not want to speak out?
    1. tchoni
      tchoni April 1 2016 10: 26
      +7
      Here I am about the same. He found his grandmother born in 1903 alive. So, until 17, three epidemics and two hunger strikes. One of them during the peace years between the wars. People swelled and lay dead on the street.
      1. heaps
        heaps April 1 2016 11: 00
        +2
        I apologize, you can read more about the epidemic and hunger. You can in PM.
        1. tchoni
          tchoni April 1 2016 11: 19
          +2
          I don’t remember much from her stories, but she lived in the Voronezh province in the city of Liski (Peskovatka village, now part of the city) When she was five years old from typhus, her father died (there was an epidemic, many people died. The funeral was every day) at the age of about 9-10 years (she began to go to the first class of the church school) there was a famine. Along with famine, an epidemic appeared to appear to be cholera. Mother has died. A neighbor took her with her children to the Kuban in armovir. There a famine happened somewhere in the year 16 or 17. She says that this was the last year before the revolution ...
          1. heaps
            heaps April 1 2016 11: 58
            -2
            Thanks, it matches. Now confirm the direct guilt of Nicholas 2. In epidemics and famine.
            1. tchoni
              tchoni April 1 2016 12: 21
              +6
              He’s like the autocrat’s be ... how he should be vigil. Goebbels himself did not shoot orders, he did not give orders ... He merely justified the need to do this ... He is not guilty. And Ger Hitler ... the same darling ... These are all Gestapo scoundrels ...
              If you follow your logic, then the ruler of the country SELF-AUTHORIZED (AZ I AM KING - executive, legislative and judicial authorities in one person) is not guilty of anything?
              1. heaps
                heaps April 1 2016 14: 27
                -2
                Judging by your logic, only the rulers of those states are to blame for the plague epidemics in Europe. Have you read the statistical summary of epidemics over the past 150 years? And I was not too lazy to study, the most interesting reading. And tell us the cholera epidemic under what circumstances does it appear? And about "watch". Tell me how many doctors there were before the revolution in terms of area (not even per capita). And how many years were the drought (by the way, it is indirectly confirmed by the same epidemic, if of course you know the condition of the "spasmodic spread" of cholera). My grandfather was younger than your grandmother, but he said that there was no famine, but there was famine (this is about the Ukrainian version). Or, under Nicholas 2, they also went and took all the food?
                1. vanavatny
                  vanavatny April 1 2016 14: 35
                  -1
                  and as a result of what events did the bastards appear, taking the last meal? why didn’t they perish in the depths of the Siberian ores?
                2. tchoni
                  tchoni April 1 2016 18: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: heaps
                  Or under Nicholas 2, too, went to take all the food?
                  I will please you: the surplus app is the invention of St. Nicholas the Bloody.
                  And there weren’t enough doctors, so who was stopping the launch of an oosprogram on their manufacture ... Or to establish reserves of sales of japas in the country .. Well, or to distribute to the starving On the mob warehouses there was food ...
                  And as for the shootings of the protesters, the Berkutians and Maidan used teargas only to use truncheons - so put Yanikevich next to Satan ... And the Cossacks, the demonstrators chasing, more and more drafts, but vintvlvki quite fighting ...
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 1 2016 15: 41
            +2
            Quote: heaps
            I apologize, you can read more about the epidemic and hunger. You can in PM.

            Tolstov, Nekrasov, Dostoevsky, Gilyarovsky, Danilov have more details ...
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2016 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: vanavate
      and the role of Nicholas 2 His Holiness Patriarch Cyril does not want to speak out?

      The question is that there are no names in the toponymy of Russia named after Nicholas II.
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 1 2016 10: 29
        -7
        and where to place them? on toilets?
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera April 1 2016 10: 37
        +8
        Quote: RUSS
        The question is that there are no names in the toponymy of Russia named after Nicholas II.

        Really! He was modestly reckoned
        1. heaps
          heaps April 1 2016 11: 06
          0
          And ..... go on
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka April 1 2016 16: 53
          0
          The question is that there are no names in the toponymy of Russia named after Nicholas II.

          Really! He was modestly reckoned


          His holiness is only that he was killed with the whole family ... does it turn out in our revolution to do all those killed by saints ?? And the fact that he bears all responsibility for the war and revolution as the leader of his state? How to justify it?
    4. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera April 1 2016 10: 31
      +12
      Quote: vanavate
      Nicholas 2

      His hands are not covered in blood. He was generally "bloody". And nothing! Those. monarchists, you panic, cannot stand Lenin and Kirov, despite the fact that the first politician with a worldwide reputation, and the second did a lot for the country, and the communists must put up with the personality of Nicholas 2. Not for garlic! Provocateurs definitely!
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 1 2016 10: 42
        +5
        here, many really do not understand: if it weren’t for the king of people, there would be no October revolution. You see, he is a martyr and almost canonized, and millions of victims are under his rule, and a cowardly renunciation, and lost wars a ...
        1. heaps
          heaps April 1 2016 11: 13
          0
          1. Give details and facts about the millions of victims during the reign of Nicholas 2.
          2. Canonized together with the family as martyrs, at the request of the AMERICAN ORTHODOX CHURCH, as a sign of reconciliation.
          3. Historians have proven that there was no abdication (a fake document).
          1. vanavatny
            vanavatny April 1 2016 11: 32
            +1
            1 world from 800000 to 1 (according to our and Western) reconciliation of anyone with whom? me and my ancestors here .did not renounce? fought like a lion to the last? until 700000? how many victims plus?
            1. heaps
              heaps April 1 2016 12: 09
              -4
              1. According to your information, Nicholas 2 simply wanted to, and out of boredom he decided to participate in the war game? And how many victims were on the Kulikovo field, and on the Battle of the Ice?
              2. The reconciliation of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Church in exile (American).
              3. Have you heard the news about how a Russian officer died in Palmyra, causing a fire on himself? Do you think he did the right thing? I think so. So the king and his family deceived, betrayed by all the generals and officers (with rare exceptions) decided to sacrifice for the sake of saving the SPIRITUALITY OF HIS PEOPLE. And he fought to the last and prayed - to the last, and hoped - to the last. And was sacrificed by a jude-Masonic ritual.
              4. And he was called "bloody" for the execution of workers (although by all indications it was a "Maidan provocation of the Anglo-Saxons").
              So study history, study investigations. Otherwise, you will be called either a mediocre illiterate or a provocateur.
              1. vanavatny
                vanavatny April 1 2016 12: 46
                +1
                you can’t help but climb, that is, he was neither ready for the Russian-Japanese, nor for the First World War (you won the BATTLES you mentioned), he sat on his own rules, built railways and fought corruption, and then there is war on you and, as a result, a social explosion, and where does the king? he has his own worries ... trying on churches is just their bureaucratic procedures. You would be ashamed to mention the deceased Hero Officer (by the way, his name is Alexander Prokhorenko) in relation to what you are trying to pull on almost the concept of “conscious sacrifice” in relation to to the executed emperor Did he pray and see if he hoped ... and millions at that time fought and died, believed this insignificance and died Provocation? So what? you are the Tsar and you’re responsible for everything - the freak in the capital has a blood bath, but he has nothing to do with it - it’s somewhere that evil forces are oppressing
                1. heaps
                  heaps April 1 2016 14: 34
                  +4
                  Oh, cool logic. And then in my country, TOOOOOLKO YANYK IS GUILTY and a mustache. Nobody else. Neither Maidan, nor Natsyk, nor Amerian agents of influence. Only Yanyk, only hardcore.

                  I went out alone in my city with a sapper shovel against the banderlog processions ten years ago.
                  ALL, ONE.
                  The rest was ... hell.
                  And it’s not for you to shame me, you haven’t read a single gram about the person you want to disgrace her.
                  And to call others insignificance is only insignificance.
                  1. vanavatny
                    vanavatny April 1 2016 14: 40
                    -1
                    that is, with arguments everything? hi
                  2. Lelek
                    Lelek April 1 2016 19: 09
                    +4
                    Quote: heaps
                    heaps


                    Calm, dear KUCH.
                    Well, I don’t know where you went, with what shovel and against whom - this is now neither to confirm nor to refute ... The people of any country are what they are. In Mass, not a single people wants war. But, as the saying goes, "if the stars are lit, then someone needs it." The trouble of some peoples is that the ideas of the "Fuhrer" often fall on prepared, fertile soil (for example, the former Ukraine and the former countries of the BV and NE). Well, here's the last example: in Kiev, a survey was conducted on the streets on the topic "How do you feel about the idea of ​​issuing citizens with a certificate that they have no separatism?" So, the overwhelming majority of Kievans approve of this idea. Is it not? Not to mention the fact that the war in the east of their country was approved by about 60% of the population of the independent country, and about 45% consider Russia their main enemy. This is despite the fact that these 45% have relatives living and working for the good of the family in Russia, for example. And this is also not?
                    It’s easy to step into the abyss, only the march back.
              2. fif21
                fif21 April 1 2016 13: 03
                0
                Quote: heaps
                So the king and his family, deceived, betrayed by all the generals and officers (with rare exceptions) decided to sacrifice for the sake of saving the SPIRITUALITY OF HIS PEOPLE. And he fought to the last and prayed to the last, and

                The people are not a sucker! Turns away from the one who deserves it! The people and the army turned their backs on Nikolashka, and the hunchback, too, and will not turn away from Putin. Putin is not praying, but acting - that is the difference. Yanukovych also "sacrificed" for the salvation of the Ukrainian people, and received the nickname "rag". And Nikolashka was a rag, he was not a person capable of uniting the Russian people, and his mental abilities were "weak" and so he disappeared in the Ural swamp. And you are making a victim out of him! He is not a victim - he is weak-willed, stupid, ruler - RAG!
              3. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera April 1 2016 15: 28
                +3
                Quote: heaps
                2. The reconciliation of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Church in exile (American).

                This is of course more important than reconciliation within one’s people. Therefore, we will comply with the instructions of the American Orthodox Church and fight with metro stations. Honest reconciliation!
              4. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. April 1 2016 16: 27
                +2
                Quote: heaps
                4. And he was called "bloody" for the execution of workers
                .... So learn the story,

                with the story you, reverend, sorry, shitty ...
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 1 2016 10: 50
        -4
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        His hands are not covered in blood. He was generally "bloody".

        This "nickname" was given to him by the ultra-left press, and later by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks; this "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until February 1917. Learn the history of Russia, Valera! smile
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera April 1 2016 11: 04
          +9
          Quote: Bayonet
          This "nickname" was given to him by the ultra-left press, and later by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks; this "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until February 1917. Learn the history of Russia, Valera!

          And Kirov was nicknamed by the ultra-right press, and later by the propaganda of the liberals. This "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until 91. What story to teach, cap? Yours? Dismiss
        2. Your friend
          Your friend April 1 2016 15: 58
          +4
          Quote: Bayonet
          Learn the history of Russia, Valera!

          Usually, in polemics such a phrase as "learn history" is written by total ignoramuses. Well, you are not like that?))))
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          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 1 2016 17: 07
            +1
            Quote: Your friend
            Usually, in polemics such a phrase as "learn history" is written by total ignoramuses. Well, you are not like that?))))

            Well, what are you, there is just encyclopedic knowledge lol
            Quote: Bayonet
            This "nickname" was given to him by the ultra-left press, and later by the propaganda of the Bolsheviks; this "nickname" was not widespread among the masses until February 1917. Learn the history of Russia, Valera!
          3. Lelek
            Lelek April 1 2016 19: 19
            0
            Quote: Your friend
            Usually, in polemics such a phrase as "learn history" is written by total ignoramuses.


            Hello my friend.
            Of the two disputants, one is a scoundrel, and the second is a scoundrel, because a scoundrel does not argue knowing the truth, and the scoundrel knows it (the truth), but argues to show his "enlightened "I am. After all, it was not for nothing that the great Roman (or the Greek, forgot) said that truth is born in a dispute (in a dispute, not in insults). yes
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera April 1 2016 19: 45
              +2
              Quote: Lelek
              said truth is born in dispute

              Quote: Lelek
              Of the two disputants, one is d.u.r.a.k., and the second is a scoundrel,

              Therefore, fools and scoundrels give birth to truth? Strong!
              Although I agree about rudeness
      3. heaps
        heaps April 1 2016 11: 07
        +2
        I certainly apologize, but what you called "drove", as if for what reason and who called it?
      4. heaps
        heaps April 1 2016 11: 17
        -6
        Hear you, answer for what they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2. Either answer, or even the baker was blocked
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 1 2016 11: 50
          +3
          Heap, what do you say about the installation of monuments to white whales?
          1. owl
            owl April 1 2016 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            But what about the installation of monuments to white whales?

            And what can I say, they are White-hearted and not RED, the rest is not important!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 1 2016 12: 44
              +4
              So I ask, and from the priest no greetings, no answer. Ran away. request
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser April 1 2016 12: 33
          +3
          Quote: heaps
          for which they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2.

          During the anointing of Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov to the throne in Moscow on Khodynskoe field there was a gigantic crush with a large number of victims (they stupidly trampled in order to push closer to the royal cortege and pick up silver rubles that the tsar and his wife threw into the crowd), so the left press called Tsar "Nicholas the Bloody".
          Well, Gapon's "Bloody Sunday" of 1905 - on the same topic. History, s.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother April 1 2016 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: OldWiser
            Well, Gapon's "Bloody Sunday" of 1905 - on the same topic. History, s.

            Besides:
            May 7, 1901 - Execution of workers at the Obukhov plant

            November 1902 - The execution of workers in Rostov. Killed - 6 wounded - 20;

            March 11, 1903 - The shooting of workers at the Zlatoust weapons factory. Killed - 60, injured - 200;

            July 14, 1903 - The shooting of striking railway workers. 10 killed and 18 wounded;

            July 23, 1903 - The shooting of a demonstration of workers in Kiev. Killed - 4, wounded - 27

            August 7, 1903 - The execution of workers in Yekaterinburg. Killed - 16, wounded - 48;

            December 13, 1904 - The execution of workers in Baku. Killed - 5, wounded - 40;

            January 12, 1905 - The shooting of a workers ’demonstration in Riga. Killed - 127, wounded - over 200;

            June 18, 1905 - The shooting of a demonstration in Lodz. 10 killed and 40 wounded;

            September 5, 1905 - The end of the shameful, senseless war with Japan. Russia's losses in the war - 400000 people;

            November 15, 1905 - The shooting of the cruiser Ochakov and other rebel vessels of the Black Sea Fleet. The death of thousands of sailors - Sevastopol;

            July 4, 1906 - 28 participants in the uprising of sailors in Sveaborg were sentenced to death;

            June 3, 1907 - Dispersal by the "holy" tsar of the Second Duma.

            1911 - Mass famine that claimed the lives of 300 thousand people;

            April 4, 1912 - The shooting of striking workers in the Lena goldfields. 254 people were killed;

            June 3, 1914 - The shooting of a rally of workers at the Putilov factory in St. Petersburg;

            August 10, 1915 - The shooting of a demonstration in Ivanovo-Voznesensk. Killed - 30 injured -53;
        3. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser April 1 2016 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: heaps
          for which they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2.

          During the anointing of Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov to the throne in Moscow on Khodynskoe field there was a gigantic crush with a large number of victims (they stupidly trampled in order to push closer to the royal cortege and pick up silver rubles that the tsar and his wife threw into the crowd), so the left press called Tsar "Nicholas the Bloody".
          Well, Gapon's "Bloody Sunday" of 1905 - on the same topic. History, s.
        4. fif21
          fif21 April 1 2016 13: 16
          +1
          Quote: heaps
          Hear you, answer for what they gave the nickname "bloody" to Nicholas 2.

          For the Khodynka-inauguration of Nicholas 2, for the bloody Sunday in St. Petersburg - the shooting of a peaceful demonstration, for the suppression of the workers' uprising in Moscow in 1905 with the help of the army. And in 1917 the people said, Khodynka began, and Khodynka ended.
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        6. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 1 2016 16: 40
          +3
          Quote: heaps
          Either answer, or even a heap barn

          here is the dog ...
    5. Guardsman
      Guardsman April 1 2016 10: 39
      0
      And what is wrong with the emperor, I don’t understand you guys that you are likened to evil spirits from "zHa windbag"?
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 1 2016 10: 46
        +6
        he was a worthless insignificance, who was entrusted from above to a huge country, which he had lied about, and as a result cowardly denied, he even didn’t have enough to put a bullet in his head and this mumble was responsible for what happened next
        1. Guardsman
          Guardsman April 1 2016 14: 11
          -3
          Before throwing such accusations, read the book "The Cross of Fire" by Yuri Vlasov, and then draw conclusions
          1. vanavatny
            vanavatny April 1 2016 14: 19
            0
            what other works of art do you recommend?
        2. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. April 1 2016 17: 07
          +1
          Quote: Guardsman
          And what is wrong with the emperor,

          Quote: vanavate
          he is worthless insignificance

          the anointed one. And the saint.
          I missed it - until the monarchic howls, as "the only way for Mother Russia" has not yet reached?
    6. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA April 1 2016 11: 10
      +2
      Quote: vanavate
      and the role of Nicholas 2 His Holiness Patriarch Cyril does not want to speak out?

      And he doesn't need it. He views Nicholas II from the position of the Russian Orthodox Church: the murdered Tsar and members of his family are canonized. That says it all. For him, Nicholas II is as saint as Nicholas the Wonderworker, Sergius of Radonezh, etc. Of course, the church will always treat the murderer of the "saint" extremely negatively.
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 1 2016 11: 15
        +2
        I noticed that the ROC always has a very convenient position and responsibility only to the Lord on whose behalf they broadcast
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 April 1 2016 11: 58
        +1
        Of course, the church will always treat the murderer of the "saint" extremely negatively.

        And how else can you relate to the killing of innocent people, including children.
        The last Orthodox Tsar was destroyed by the atheistic forces that crucified Jesus Christ
        1. TUNISIA
          TUNISIA April 1 2016 12: 26
          -1
          I absolutely agree with you. Above, I only explained why the ROC will not assess the actions of Nicholas II on the throne. His canonization is a fait accompli and this is enough to justify the church in condemning the perpetuation of the memory of the murderer Nicholas II and his family. I do not understand who and for what "minus" me. Did I say something wrong?
          1. Guardsman
            Guardsman April 1 2016 14: 15
            -3
            Alas, unfortunately, your minuses and articles say that the people on this resource only see and are content, unfortunately, with what is on the surface, but to compile work and read serious research from respected authors, alas - as they say in slang - "in scrap "
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera April 1 2016 14: 20
            +3
            Quote: TUNISIA
            Did I say something wrong?

            Personally, I am absolutely not against his canonization. Perhaps he was a wonderful soul man. But as a leader - no. Therefore, do not climb to Lenin, Stalin ... But we do not ask them to be counted as saints, just do not need to touch and do not have to crap. They have done a lot for the country. What about blood? There they wrote about Nicholas above. Who is not blood on?
      3. fif21
        fif21 April 1 2016 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: TUNISIA
        He considers Nicholas II from the position of the Russian Orthodox Church: the murdered king and his family members are numbered among the saints. That says it all
        By this they opened the eyes of the people about their essence. Let them stay with their saints, but in Russia other saints in honor - Suvorov, Kutuzov, Zhukov, Minin and Pozharsky, Catherine 2, Stalin, Peter 1 - people who were happy for Russia.
        1. Guardsman
          Guardsman April 1 2016 14: 22
          +2


          Alas, to your great ignorance, Suvorov went into battle only after having performed a prayer service, and connected all his victories with God


          1. vanavatny
            vanavatny April 1 2016 14: 29
            +3
            but before the adoption of Christianity, they did not even hear about military victories, but my grandfather Mikhail Petrovich Berlin did not take only because of a serious injury when he took Koenigsberg, he did not say anything about God and did not go to church - maybe he was not a patriot?
            1. owl
              owl April 1 2016 15: 07
              0
              Quote: vanavate
              maybe not a patriot?

              Worse laughing
          2. fif21
            fif21 April 1 2016 14: 50
            +3
            Suvorov's modesty is known! His victories, he never boasted, always said - a miracle heroes (soldiers) or exalted God. But we know that the creator of the victories of Russian weapons is this modest generalissimo. His bow to him is low from the Russian people to the earth.
          3. fif21
            fif21 April 1 2016 14: 50
            0
            Suvorov's modesty is known! His victories, he never boasted, always said - a miracle heroes (soldiers) or exalted God. But we know that the creator of the victories of Russian weapons is this modest generalissimo. His bow to him is low from the Russian people to the earth.
          4. owl
            owl April 1 2016 21: 42
            +2
            To our common regret, the priest went into battle (alcohol market) only after the prayer was performed, and he linked his victory for the pivasik with God smileprobably.
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  • carabiner sks
    carabiner sks April 1 2016 10: 24
    +19
    What kind of nonsense? Let’s like all Ukrainians all the monuments to Lenin V.I. carry to edrenny mother. Do not touch that little that we got from the Soviet era.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 1 2016 10: 28
      +12
      thanks to that little, we still have light and warmth in our homes ...
    2. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich April 1 2016 11: 24
      +8
      That's it. And this scribbler should have learned history, otherwise it will remain an ignoramus for life.
  • ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru April 1 2016 10: 25
    +12
    As always in Russia, when people are falling into poverty, those who hold power begin to rename streets, schools, metro stations, etc. Relying on spirituality, instead of helping people survive the economic ruin, and giving someone just a piece of bread for survival. I’m deeply on the ... drum, on which street, Chernyshevsky, Voikov, Lenin or Putin are beggars and beggars !!!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2016 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: ibu355yandex.ru
      power holders begin to rename streets, schools, metro stations, etc.

      The streets and metro are no longer renamed as 25 years old, and many military educational institutions, on the contrary, have returned Soviet names in recent years.
    2. APS
      APS April 1 2016 10: 57
      +4
      Straight on Freud. Everyone is talking about what they are missing. About morality, so they just do not have enough. No need to touch the monuments, streets, justifiably put new monuments in new parks, squares, new cities. After all, this is our story! This is with a look into the future that the population of Russia will increase (and this is what everyone needs to do), as well as production and agriculture and confidence in the future, etc ...
  • Riv
    Riv April 1 2016 10: 26
    +17
    Well, what to take from a holy fool? He doesn’t like Marx, Engels, Kostrikov ... You didn’t build, you didn’t call - it’s not for you to rename either.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2016 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      He doesn’t like Marx, Engels, Kostrikov ... You didn’t build, you didn’t call

      Marx and Engels are a bourgeois "infection" from Germany.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 1 2016 11: 21
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        Marx and Engels are a bourgeois "infection" from Germany.

        From Germany ... Only Marx was definitely not an executioner. This is an ordinary cabinet scientist - and only ... request
    3. avt
      avt April 1 2016 10: 35
      +14
      Quote: Riv
      Well, what to take from a holy fool?

      The patriarch is a very thoughtful and guided comrade. His character is not sugar, but there will never be a brick to piss against the wind, well, as in that cartoon about criticism and self-criticism, he will not throw up so that he does not fall on his head, only down.
      Quote: Riv
      He doesn’t like Marx, Engels, Kostrikov ... You didn’t build, you didn’t call - it’s not for you to rename either.

      Here, after all, how, well, to return the old name in Moscow is a sacred thing. BUT! What about the completely rebuilt streets? And with the metro the same - that Nikolashka built it? But such patriarchal sachers will soon not be renamed Voikovskaya, Avtozavodskaya, but the plant will be fucking ruined.
      1. andj61
        andj61 April 1 2016 11: 35
        +7
        Quote: avt
        If a city-wide referendum is held, I will vote against renaming from the principle, since this is also OUR history.

        About Nogin, Kropotkin back in the 70s questions arose: why, they say, from the names of the metro station, street, square called.
        But there was no such doubt about Voikov: he was a diplomat - ambassador to Poland and was killed in Warsaw precisely as a representative of the USSR.
        Yes, his activities as a member of the Yekaterinburg Military Revolutionary Committee and Commissioner for the Supply of the Ural Council are far from unambiguous. But he has only an indirect relation to the execution of the tsar’s family, and this is established by the investigation of the General Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation. Voikov really took part in the vote for the shooting of the royal family. The council also asked him to write a paper on sulfuric acid. There was no longer any participation of Voikov himself in these events. All the rest of fiction is about how he, with a gun in his hands, removed a ring from someone, chopped corpses - this is complete, unconfirmed nonsense.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 10: 40
      -10%
      Quote: Riv
      Well, what to take from a holy fool?

      You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 1 2016 10: 52
        +3
        Quote: Bayonet
        You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!

        It was demolished in 1931 after a frantic struggle with the church, although when it smelled of war, the authorities turned to the Russian Orthodox Church!
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera April 1 2016 11: 09
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          It was demolished in 1931 after a frantic struggle with the church, although when it smelled of war, the authorities turned to the Russian Orthodox Church!

          And who restored the patriarchate, do not remind? Rest assured, when again, God forbid, smells of war, the authorities turn to Stalin, return Soviet symbols and everything in stock
          1. RUSS
            RUSS April 1 2016 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            And who restored the patriarchate, do not remind?

            Earlier he wrote above that it was restored during the war, and the first appeal to the church was in the 41st
            On June 22, 1941, Metropolitan Sergius, returning to the office of the Patriarchate from the Sunday liturgy in the Epiphany Cathedral, personally typed the Message to the pastors and flocks of the Orthodox Church of Christ, in which he called on everyone to defend the Homeland. The appeal was sent to all parishes. On June 26, in the Epiphany Cathedral in Moscow, Metropolitan Sergius served a prayer service for the granting of victory, after which similar prayers began to take place in all churches of the Russian Church. An extensive fundraising campaign was organized, for which a tank column named after Dmitry Donskoy and a squadron named after Alexander Nevsky were built and transferred to the field army when an airplane with an icon circled around Moscow.
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            will return Soviet symbols and everything in assortment

            Symbols with a sickle and a hammer are unlikely, but the red stars will definitely be left at least on the fuselages of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            and all in assortment

            What did you mean?
          2. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 1 2016 12: 04
            0
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            God forbid, it will smell war, the authorities will turn to Stalin, they will return Soviet symbols and everything is in stock


            The authorities, as always, will turn to the people of Russia "brothers and sisters ..."
            1. fif21
              fif21 April 1 2016 13: 46
              0
              Quote: sherp2015
              The authorities, as always, will turn to the people of Russia "brothers and sisters ..."

              Can you name a government that does not address the people when a "scribe" sneaks up on it? The authorities say whether you love us or not, but we have a common enemy! Gives relaxation to ideological enemies, for the sake of the unity of the nation. And after the victory, everything returns to normal. What is the cost of the already rendered service? - nothing. Power is in the hands of cynics.
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        2. creak
          creak April 1 2016 11: 32
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          Demolished in 1931 after a rabid struggle with the church,

          Yes, it did not end even after 1931, churches were also closed under Khrushchev, but this is not about that.
          The fact is that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was not just a religious building - it was built on public donations in honor of the Victory over Napoleon in the war of 1812.
          And to whom, interestingly, the monument to General Skobelev in the Center of Moscow prevented ...
          To figures like Kaganovich, who declared: "We will pull up the hem of Mother Russia" ...
          As a result, today we have what we have - as they say, sowing the wind, reaping the storm ...
          The fight against the monuments is generally the last thing ...
          Vandalism and historical unconsciousness is a crime against one’s own country, regardless of whose hands and under what slogans they are created.
          The history of the country should not resemble a book with crossed out, or even completely torn out pages - ALL pages should be in place ...
      3. KB-2
        KB-2 April 1 2016 10: 57
        +3
        Well, do not be like the Bolsheviks!
      4. drilled
        drilled April 1 2016 11: 05
        +3
        So your attempts are revenge, or what?)))). Eeee, my friend, this is a sin. Any pop will explain to you
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      6. Your friend
        Your friend April 1 2016 11: 55
        +3
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Riv
        Well, what to take from a holy fool?

        You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!

        This is nice. They destroyed the HHS, and we will deliver vodka and whitefish to them from behind the hill with wagons. Well, then from the TV screen we will broadcast about mercy, love for the neighbor and the Christian way of life.
      7. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 1 2016 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        You before this "holy fool" Comrade Sharikov, as before Beijing with cancer! Here's your job!


        By the way, this is the work of the scoundrel Kaganovich "we will pull up the hem ..."
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      10. GOGY
        GOGY April 1 2016 12: 52
        +9
        These are the ruins of ZIL ... Then finish off all that remains of the damned Bolsheviks - power plants, aircraft factories and you will be happy. The Russian Orthodox Church is drowning in luxury, priests drive Mercedes, and villages die out, they build temples - and who will go to them?
      11. Riv
        Riv April 1 2016 13: 08
        +3
        In vain you posted this photo. Oh, in vain! ..
        It is funny that the project for the restoration of the temple was prepared, including by Zurab Tsereteli. It turned out as expected: a car park with a car wash, a market and a built-in church. The respectable Lord for respectable masters. When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 1 2016 13: 59
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.
          And I call me in this matter (to blow up) I think a little wassat
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        4. RUSS
          RUSS April 1 2016 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.

          In our village in the 30s the church was destroyed, so of those who broke it, no one died by their death ....
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 April 1 2016 14: 27
            +1
            Not only in your village.
          2. Riv
            Riv April 1 2016 15: 14
            +1
            Still ... The Great Patriotic War was ahead. What else did the Germans break in your village?
          3. Your friend
            Your friend April 1 2016 16: 01
            -1
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: Riv
            When they will blow up this crap for the second time - let me call.

            In our village in the 30s the church was destroyed, so of those who broke it, no one died by their death ....

            Has the gracious and all-forgiving god punished? Or did the true believers, living according to the commandments of the Lord, such as "Thou shalt not kill", tried? It happens...
      12. fif21
        fif21 April 1 2016 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Here is your job!
        Satisfied with the ruins of the enemies of the people! (Ruins of the church)
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 1 2016 16: 01
          +1
          Quote: fif21
          Satisfied with the ruins of the enemies of the people! (Ruins of the church)

          When you begin to pounce (you see), you will remember God. If I knew one such thing, I would see it myself - I would bite my tongue, hero ...
          1. Your friend
            Your friend April 1 2016 16: 21
            +1
            Fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... aren't that so true believers say?
            Quote: Bayonet
            When you start to pounce (you'll see)

            To wish death to your loved one - as it is not Christian.
            Quote: Bayonet
            If I knew one such thing, I would see it myself - I would bite my tongue, hero

            Hate your loved one - but where is humility and forgiveness?
            These are our believers.)))
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet April 1 2016 17: 05
              +1
              Quote: Your friend

              To wish death to your loved one - as it is not Christian.

              And I do not wish, he digs a hole for himself ...
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 1 2016 17: 44
                0
                Quote: Bayonet
                Quote: Your friend

                To wish death to your loved one - as it is not Christian.

                And I do not wish, he digs a hole for himself ...

                Hahaha .... and a real Christian would just pray for his eternal soul.)))
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  • kizhe
    kizhe April 1 2016 10: 26
    -1
    I completely agree. Let the names of people involved in the destruction of their people remain on the pages of history, but from the names of streets, cities and other well-known places, they should be removed forever.
    1. dauria
      dauria April 1 2016 11: 23
      +4
      Let the names of the people involved in the destruction of their people


      Then all the streets will be "apple", "snowy", "3rd street of builders", etc.
      "involved in the destruction" - to what extent do you need to be involved? Was Gorbachev involved? Yeltsin? And the Decembrists or the tsar who hanged them? And why do lawyers use the term "criminal inaction"? Who will determine?

      And renaming is a double-edged sword. In our city, Moscow is often called "gadyushnik". Maybe we'll stir up a referendum? wink
    2. Senior manager
      Senior manager April 1 2016 15: 38
      +4
      That is, instead of names, numbering ?. Peter the Great was not a good kid either, he died under him. And the offer is simple - HANDS ARE AWAY FROM HISTORY, Right, left, turned inside out, victims, guilty - ALL, this is history.
  • gamer
    gamer April 1 2016 10: 27
    +9
    It seems to me that there are no other problems in Russia? This is our story, whatever it was, but it is ours! hi
  • NKVD
    NKVD April 1 2016 10: 27
    +6
    Let the Patriarch not stick his nose out of business.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 1 2016 11: 53
      -2
      Quote: NKVD
      Let the Patriarch not stick his nose out of business.

      This is just his business! Such issues should be addressed by the general public, both the church and the intelligentsia, and of course, first of all, the inhabitants of this region.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 1 2016 13: 02
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        the general public, and the church, and the intelligentsia

        Residents voted last year, but neither the authorities nor the so-called "intelligentsia" liked the result.
        Most of all it freezes that as soon as the popular opinion begins to dislike someone, so immediately start screaming on the topic "it is not clear who pressed the button."
        The authorities and the "intelligentsia" have already set off in a certain direction, now it is the turn of the holy patriarch (if it is hard for him to walk, I can give out the staff).
        Moscow metro is not shook. This is known to any honest and decent person. The names of the stations of the communist executioners and Bolshevik symbols make civilized people shy away from the metro as a devil from incense. I already wrote about similar problems in the article “As an anti-adviser to an anti-adviser”. It comes to the point that human rights defenders have to build their routes trying to avoid visiting the Kurskaya station. Very complaining about this Lyudmila Alekseeva. And besides Kursk there are still a lot of handshake names. I recall how a meeting was recently scheduled with Solomon Khaykin at the Voikovskaya station. So the whole meeting shook and distorted me. After all, I am an old monarchist. And I remember the stories of my grandfather, Solomon Izrailevich (a person close to the emperor) about the blessed priest king.
        I then found a way to avoid torment in the subway. Thanks to a limousine with a flashing light from Sergey Kovalev, I was provided with quick movement around Moscow. True, it happens that I encounter different irresponsible citizens who cannot distinguish between the car of a stealing corrupt official and the car of the Memorial human rights foundation. Yes, there is a flasher, but this is a special case. After all, we need a blinker not to carry girls, but to quickly protect your and our freedom.
        smile
        Shot here: http://lev-sharansky2.livejournal.com/25472.html
        With all due respect to Leo Natanych. smile
  • V.ic
    V.ic April 1 2016 10: 27
    -7
    In my native village I lived on Sverdlov Street. When he grew up and learned a lot about this figure, the attitude towards him changed. I was twice in Yekaterinburg and both times I spat on the monument of this ghoul. Rosenbaum has a song with the words "on Marat Street". He was still a Jacobin, bloody spill. Then, if you rename, then you will not forget the "imported" villains.
    1. gamer
      gamer April 1 2016 10: 51
      +5
      I live on Dnepropetrovskaya St. in Volgograd! And so what ?! Now go spit on the plates on the houses, because this city is in Ukraine! Write complete nonsense, dear! hi
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 1 2016 12: 08
        +3
        Quote: igorek
        igorek Today, 10:51 ↑ New
        I live on Dnepropetrovskaya St. in Volgograd! And so what ?! Now go spit on the plates on the houses, because this city is in Ukraine! Write complete nonsense, dear!



        Well, you and Igor compared.
        The executioner of the Russian people Sverdlov and the city of Dnepropetrovsk!
        As the saying goes ... poo with a finger!
      2. V.ic
        V.ic April 2 2016 04: 19
        0
        Quote: igorek
        Write complete nonsense, dear!

        Dear, your "writeиthose "is a wish or a statement of fact?
        Quote: igorek
        I live on Dnepropetrovskaya St. in Volgograd!

        "Good life to you on the vulytsa" restorers of Stalingrad from the city of Dnepropetrovsk / Ukrainian SSR /, renamed from Yekaterinoslav in honor of the Bolshevik G. Petrovsky / "From November 1917 to March 1919 People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR. Involved in the creation of punitive bodies of Soviet power" http: / /value-name.рф/known-people/grigory-petrovsky/.
    2. vjatsergey
      vjatsergey April 1 2016 10: 53
      +17
      Dear, and you can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?
      1. Riv
        Riv April 1 2016 13: 10
        +5
        Spit on me a couple of times. You can even vomit at him. I will reimburse the expenses for Baltika.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic April 1 2016 19: 38
          0
          Quote: Riv
          I will reimburse the expenses for Baltika.

          I'm sorry, I'm not a fan of Baltika ... request
      2. V.ic
        V.ic April 1 2016 13: 56
        0
        Quote: vjatsergey
        You can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?

        There is no longer drooling / poisonous /, but a bottle of black paint.
      3. V.ic
        V.ic April 1 2016 19: 36
        +4
        Quote: vjatsergey
        You can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?

        No business trips are foreseen in E-burg, since they are no longer outbound. Pay for your business trip and, with pleasure, I will fulfill your wish. Communication "in a personal". Money up front. I ask you to pay the daily allowance at the rate of at least 350 rubles per day. Payment of travel from the railway station to the central square and back by taxi in order to "break away" from the Yeltsinoid guards. Yes, I almost forgot, 0,5 "Gesser", for saliva, also at your expense!
      4. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 1 2016 22: 25
        +2
        Quote: vjatsergey
        Dear, and you can’t spit twice at the monument to Yeltsin when you are in Yekaterinburg?


        It would be nice to empty the sewage truck at his monument
    3. Your friend
      Your friend April 1 2016 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: V.ic
      . He was twice in Yekaterinburg and both times he spat at the monument to this ghoul.

      Yes, you are just, my friend, a hero. So boldly took and spat. From your courage, it’s breathtaking. Here I am always past the monuments of personalities that I don’t like, I just walk through, I don’t do anything to them. I guess I'm just a coward, but I want to be like you. (((
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 1 2016 13: 57
        -1
        Quote: Your friend
        Yes, you are just, my friend, a hero. So boldly took and spat

        ... and I also tried to embroider a cross ... repeat
  • VVooVVaa
    VVooVVaa April 1 2016 10: 28
    +2
    “Kill one person and you will become a killer. Kill millions and you will become a conqueror. Kill everyone and you will become God. ”
  • got137
    got137 April 1 2016 10: 28
    +1
    Is it the most relevant right now ?? And renaming until better times will not wait ?? Especially now, few remember in honor of whom the station was named.))
  • Shark Lover
    Shark Lover April 1 2016 10: 29
    +4
    it’s not a fact that in years, the name of this priest will be pronounced solely as a libertine or something else.
  • vic58
    vic58 April 1 2016 10: 29
    +4
    Minus! History is OUR history! Analog ... well, look "at Kiev"! I'll go wash my hands and the keyboard hi
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz April 1 2016 10: 30
    +11
    And I’m for leaving everything as it is, except that Volgograd in Stalingrad is possible, but only if residents agree to go through such a hemorrhoids with documents.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 April 1 2016 11: 36
      +4
      Rumors about "hemorrhoids" are greatly exaggerated: Leningrad-St. Petersburg somehow survived ... hi
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 April 1 2016 12: 10
        +1
        Quote: engineer74
        Somehow survived Leningrad-St. Petersburg ...


        It’s a bit long to somehow reprimand ... Just Petersburg))
        1. creak
          creak April 1 2016 12: 54
          +2
          [quote = sherp2015] Just Petersburg)

          In common parlance, it was still in the days of the USSR, as now, many called it Peter ...
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 1 2016 22: 28
            0
            Quote: ranger
            many called Peter ...


            Support!
      2. fif21
        fif21 April 1 2016 14: 10
        0
        Quote: engineer74
        Somehow survived Leningrad-St. Petersburg ...
        The people call him Peter! Yekaterinburg - Eburg, Volgograd - Stalingrad, so that everything is still ahead wassat
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  • 73bor
    73bor April 1 2016 10: 31
    0
    I agree that the "Khodynskoe massacre" was forgotten along the way, but what was the name of Nikolay2, too, was forgotten !? Without pleading for the crimes of Voikov, Kirov, Dybenko, Koganovich, etc.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2016 10: 37
      +3
      Quote: 73bor
      I agree, "Khodynskoe massacre" was forgotten along the way,

      Do not take a substitute, not "Khodynskoe massacre", but "Crush on Khodynskoe field"
      No less famous is the mass stampede at Stalin's funeral in Moscow on March 5, 1953. Data on the number of victims is classified, and according to various estimates, the death toll is from 100 to 1300 people.
    3. V.ic
      V.ic April 1 2016 10: 40
      0
      Quote: 73bor
      Not mindоpouring

      Not mindаlya / root "small" /. Or Gundyaev thoughts about mоlaziness brought?
  • guzik007
    guzik007 April 1 2016 10: 35
    +3
    That is why they say-Ivan, not remembering kinship. Like Europe, we must pay tribute - all the monuments, their toponymy has been preserved since ancient times. Regardless of the atrocities of this or that gentleman. And only we, with each change of regime, with foam at the mouth, demolish and demolish, as if ashamed of something, these marks of our past. Truly they say: whoever has forgotten the past, both eyes are out, or a nation that has forgotten the past will never have a future. Leave alone these poor monuments and names. At least for the sake of at least one teenager could ask his father: “Who is this?” And the father, if there is a brain, could tell him, yes, he was such a villain, he slammed the king-father. And you look, now the child has begun to think, to be interested in the history of the country. You see, one less ruminant has become. It turns out that the CITIZEN is growing.
  • vic58
    vic58 April 1 2016 10: 36
    +8
    Minus! This is OUR story, these people have already died ... If you think otherwise - everyone is "at Kiev" !!!! And maybe to the Baltics am
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 16: 17
      +1
      I can add -
  • pravednik
    pravednik April 1 2016 10: 36
    +15
    But the author Krupin himself didn’t stupid or such an expert in history that he knows everything about everyone. Then why doesn’t he write that urgently it is necessary to close the recently opened Yeltsin center? But he is guilty of many deaths of Russians, betrayed and drank the country. Or does this author also have double standards?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: pravednik
      And the author Krupin himself did not stupid or such a connoisseur of history

      no, my grandfather hit an Orthodox clever age. And here, without demonizing the Soviets, there is no way. Insanity, in short.
      From the interview:
      I liked the girl Katya, also an activist, like me. I didn’t like the others, tikhoni. And once we went to the temple to see the wedding. And I wanted to "trick" the newlyweds. I ask there: "What is the name of the groom?" And they answered me: "God knows whom he is crowning." And for some reason this had an effect on me, I did not try to pry out anymore and did not “bother” anyone. Moreover, I was then overwhelmed with such a delight of my soul that I said: “Katya, let's get married to you better!”
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 1 2016 11: 49
      +2
      Famous writer Vladimir Krupin

      Who is why I don’t know?
      I asked Yandex - everything became clear.
      Quote: pravednik
      And the author Krupin himself did not stupid, or such a connoisseur of history that he knows everything about everyone.

      In humans, PGM is not treated. (Forgive me, good Orthodox, this does not apply to you)
  • dogens
    dogens April 1 2016 10: 39
    +7
    And Peter cut the first beard ... And Ivan the Terrible ... He was terrible. But Putin forbids gay parade.
    You do not spit enemies everywhere. The question is just for whom.

    If you look like that, Voikov was a criminal who committed a crime against a criminal, who was later replaced by other criminals, but their power was not long, because in the early 90s the criminal regime was overthrown by other criminals.
    It turns out a brief excursion of the history of Russia from Psaki.

    If the Russian Orthodox Church is a public non-profit organization that is not political, then in the State Duma its leader clearly has nothing to do. In general, the Russian Orthodox Church should teach us humility, and not participate in all political affairs of the country. And then somehow all the basics are crumbling.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 1 2016 13: 37
      -1
      Quote: dogens
      If you look like that, Voikov was a criminal who committed a crime against a criminal, who was then replaced by other criminals

      Yes, if only the king were killed, such a resonance would not exist! The whole royal family! Women and children, including domestic workers! The wounded were shot and finished with bayonets. Then they filled everything with acid ... From the details, the blood freezes. The king’s political crimes cannot justify such brutal reprisals. I voted for the Communists all the time, but this does not mean that I should accept all crimes committed against our people! For example, the infamous Brest-Litovsk peace, against which, by the way, there were half the Bolsheviks!
      1. V.ic
        V.ic April 2 2016 04: 05
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        but this does not mean that I must accept all crimes committed against our people! For instance, shameful Brest-Litovsk world, against which, incidentally, was half the Bolsheviks!

        VIL named it himself "bawdy"by the way.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 1 2016 10: 43
    -9
    I read the comments on the article and despondency overcame me:
    the Communist lie is still firmly seated in us ...
    1. drilled
      drilled April 1 2016 11: 02
      +3
      My sad, go to the Ruin. They are happy to break the story
  • mpzss
    mpzss April 1 2016 10: 44
    +2
    So, what kind of talk about renaming streets, cities, etc.!?
    I don’t understand why this is necessary !? Who needs it !? For example, for me, like most in Russia, it doesn’t matter what the name of the street, city, village or village is, so the author, answer, are you against us all !? then you are the fifth column!
    Understand that when renaming there will be two important points (I write from the least important):
    1 is a HUGE mass of money that is needed to change documents, seals, etc. (Do we have them?)
    2-the worst thing that can happen is again all kinds of discontent of the people caused by renaming, but do we need them? Moreover, according to this noise, every rabble will immediately come running and begin his agitation against the authorities, that’s enough, they passed!
    article minus!
  • Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo April 1 2016 10: 46
    +5
    Someone is itching again. A "bloody Sunday" then, too, can be recalled at the coronation of the king. Enough already and take it easy. If you are itching to, then go to the Polish embassy and fight for the monuments to our LIBERATORS of this Europe. At least there will be benefits from you.
  • Million
    Million April 1 2016 10: 46
    +3
    Why does the ROC not pay taxes?
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2016 10: 56
      -4
      Quote: Million
      Why does the ROC not pay taxes?

      Because according to the laws of the state, as a charitable organization.
      Sports companies are exempted from taxes, garden cooperatives are exempted from taxes, even insurance companies are not taxed - the amounts paid.
      We obeyed the laws of the state, even when the laws of that state put us outside the law. They obeyed when the laws of this state made it possible to shamelessly rob temples. We are listening now.
      1. Million
        Million April 1 2016 11: 08
        -1
        I didn’t notice charity ..
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS April 1 2016 11: 30
          0
          Quote: Million
          I didn’t notice charity ..

          Because you are not interested, the Russian Orthodox Church has a charitable foundation, shelters for children and rehabilitation centers, etc.
          1. fif21
            fif21 April 1 2016 14: 18
            -2
            Quote: RUSS
            Because you are not interested, the Russian Orthodox Church has a charitable foundation
            Maybe in the Donbass gumkonvoy equip? I doubt it.
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS April 1 2016 15: 04
              +2
              Quote: fif21
              Maybe in the Donbass gumkonvoy equip?

              The Russian Orthodox Church raised 128 million rubles and almost 170 tons of aid for the Donbass


              169,5 tons of humanitarian aid collected by the Russian Orthodox Church has been transferred to the southeast of Ukraine since the end of December 2014, Interfax reports.

              Thanks to this, more than 30 thousand people were provided with food, Vasily Rulinsky, spokesman for the Synodal Department for Social Services, said at a round table at the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Moscow on Thursday.

              More than 128 million rubles came to the account of the synodal department as donations to help Donbass (over 81 million rubles have already been spent).

              V. Rulinsky recalled that the Church is also engaged in helping Ukrainian refugees. Since the summer of 2014, more than 22 thousand people have received church headquarters in Moscow, 935 refugees purchased tickets to their place of residence, more than 13 thousand received clothing assistance, and 16,6 thousand received food and medicine.

              According to a spokesman for the synodal department, the Church has over 3,5 social projects, more than 60 rehabilitation centers for drug addicts (2015 new ones are planned to be opened in 15), 300 nursing sisterhoods, more than 170 medical services and medical aid rooms, and about 40 almshouses , more than 70 shelters for the homeless, more than 100 societies and brotherhoods of sobriety, 27 shelters for pregnant women and mothers with children, about 30 legal consultations and 60 psychological assistance services, work is done with deaf and hard of hearing people in 46 churches.

              The largest volunteer service "Mercy" in Moscow unites more than 1,5 thousand volunteers.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend April 1 2016 16: 14
                0
                Quote: RUSS
                The Russian Orthodox Church raised 128 million rubles and almost 170 tons of aid for the Donbass

                And about 500 million dollars were spent on the creation of the HHS, of which 300 million is state-owned. support. How much could sobriety fraternities be maintained for this money ...
                By the way, hundreds of thousands of people donated money and things to help the Donbass, and these hundreds of thousands, with truly Christian humility, are modestly silent, do not issue press releases, and do not have press secretaries.)
          2. fif21
            fif21 April 1 2016 14: 18
            -1
            Quote: RUSS
            Because you are not interested, the Russian Orthodox Church has a charitable foundation
            Maybe in the Donbass gumkonvoy equip? I doubt it.
  • drilled
    drilled April 1 2016 10: 47
    +6
    Beasts, people told you to be a VOYKOVSKAYA! Call it "In the name of Nikolashka the Bloody"! Loser of 2 wars, who shot a peaceful procession out of fright, and finally defeated the country.
    There is nothing to do for priests, give them shovels, let them do something useful
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: Burieway
      There is nothing to do for priests, give them shovels, let them do something useful

      let them dig a new metro and call it what they want! laughing
    2. V.ic
      V.ic April 1 2016 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: Burieway
      shot a peaceful procession with a fright

      Did you personally sit behind a machine gun? And Gapon-defrocked together with Rutenberg "hung up"?
      1. drilled
        drilled April 1 2016 11: 13
        +1
        Do you seriously believe that the order was given by the Governor General (I don’t remember the name)? Have you ever seen a general? A person who has EVERYTHING? And even in those days, even more so. And so that he, risking EVERYTHING, DO NOT ASK THE TARGETS FOR THE TSAR ?! My friend, you do not know the generals and officials.
    3. heaps
      heaps April 1 2016 12: 19
      -5
      I know these intonations and endings, "Nikolashki".
      Your scum would be used by the Orthodox and the priestly office to kill.
      How many "Maidans" have been described and still are not associated with the executions of the peaceful procession. No, you were wrong, the peaceful procession was shot by Yanukovych's written order of the Cossacks of the "Berkutov" Cossacks. And VVP called and supervised.

      And about the useful. Go ka dear and wait all the service from beginning to end, and then all night. And check the strengths.

      Yes, and you need to urgently appoint a "storm" marshal of the army, for he knows how to win all wars.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 1 2016 12: 47
        0
        Quote: heaps
        Your scum would be used by the Orthodox and the priestly office to kill.

        Don't make a noise, you saint. And filter the bazaar. Nobody cares about priests. The derogatory "Nikolashka" was not invented on this site.
        1. heaps
          heaps April 1 2016 14: 37
          0
          And you shut me up, "feny"
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. April 1 2016 14: 43
            0
            Quote: heaps
            And you shut me up

            I'm not a moderator, why did you give me something? Just follow the language. Not at the choir.
      2. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 1 2016 13: 17
        -1
        Whom did the gdp call? about the censer hit?
      3. the polar
        the polar April 2 2016 10: 14
        0
        in the Great Patriotic War this partisan would crucify him on crosses, and he would cut out stars from captured Red Army soldiers. She is still Russophobic.
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 1 2016 10: 47
    +2
    Famous writer Vladimir Krupin

    widely known in narrow Orthodox circles?
    Thank God that His Holiness Patriarch Kirill joined in a question that has long tormented the hearts of the Orthodox.
    Well, now things will go ... Priests renamed - this is power.
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  • Barakuda
    Barakuda April 1 2016 10: 54
    0
    Famous writer Vladimir Krupin

    And what is he actually known for request the first time I hear, I also found Pablo Coelier ... or maybe just senility? Vicki read, like a normal man was.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 10: 57
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      was.

      exactly what - was. Soviet.
      Quote: Barracuda
      maybe just senility?

      read his articles and interviews on Orthodoxy.ru - and you will establish yourself in this thought.
  • Putnik_16
    Putnik_16 April 1 2016 10: 55
    -4
    You can change, you even need to!
    But why raise such a psychosis
    around this business ?! request
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 11: 02
      0
      Quote: Putnik_16
      You can change, you even need to!

      Muscovites seem to have spoken out about this.
  • ovod84
    ovod84 April 1 2016 10: 57
    +5
    I have one desire, I want Volgograd to be renamed Stalingrad and that’s the point.
  • roosei
    roosei April 1 2016 11: 00
    +3
    Before speaking out on the decree of the Council of People's Commissars, it would not be a sin to get acquainted with it. And there it was a question not only of demolition but also of building. Moreover, monuments were erected not only by Marxists and revolutionaries. That’s your trouble, anti-communists, that you are ready to repeat stupidly behind your idols, but you can’t get acquainted, at least briefly. And your whole evidence base comes down to a few words: red bastards, bloodthirsty Leninists, laying down, hit the wall and drink poison
    1. V.ic
      V.ic April 2 2016 03: 57
      0
      Quote: roosei
      your evidence base comes down to a few words: red bastards, bloodthirsty Leninists, scribble, hit the wall and drink poison

      ... I supplement: the class struggle, the dictatorship of the proletariat, we will respond to the White Terror with red terror, long live the world revolution, the wimps of the Usih countries get to the heap, the fist-collective farm life is the enemy ..., new thinking, perestroika, democratization, market economy. Note- these slogans / chants are not invented by me.
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 1 2016 11: 00
    +1
    But how can you walk along the street of the killer of your people ?!


    "Look for bypass routes" Personally, I walk along the street of the red diplomatic courier Voikov.
    How can one live quietly near the Voykovskaya metro station if it is known for certain that Voykov is a killer ?!


    old senile. Can.
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    2. creak
      creak April 1 2016 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: Pinky F.
      Personally, I walk along the street of the Red Diplomatic Courier Voikov.


      Voikov was neither red nor any other diplomatic courier ...
      I believe that you and other residents walk along the street of the Plenipotentiary (Ambassador) Voikov - the ambassador and the courier are two big differences ...
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 1 2016 12: 52
        0
        Quote: ranger
        Voikov was neither red nor any other diplomatic courier ...

        a diplomat.
        Old cinematic stamp popped up laughing
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        2. creak
          creak April 1 2016 13: 21
          +1
          yes
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Old cinematic stamp popped up


          I understand who it doesn’t happen to, I remember this film ...
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik April 1 2016 11: 02
    +2
    There is a feeling that indifference to their homeland is reflected in this matter.

    Ah, how partial !.
    In our city there is also Voikova street. And now what in all cities to rename? Who needs this hemorrhoids?
    Few examples of Ukraine and Poland, but of the 90s. Let it remain as it is.
    And it is not the business of the church to intervene in secular problems.
    And if the church so wants to rename something - let it allocate money for it, I think that the gold that hangs on the clergy will be enough.
    A good writer Krupin, but by old age he apparently lost touch with reality.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 1 2016 11: 02
    0
    Each era leaves its traces in history, and no one has the right to condemn certain people who lived at that time, otherwise rewriting history. We did not live then and it is not for us to judge them. We read, analyze and strive not to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors, otherwise we will be judged ourselves.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn April 1 2016 11: 04
    +2
    about the regicide of Voikov, it was written rewritten, he had no relationship in the murder ... not any... The only "witness" clerk who took offense and ran away to the other side. The people have already spoken on this matter. And the writer Krupin, who fell into Orthodoxy, well, I do not like village prose, and how do you differ from the Bolsheviks, even though most of them were illiterate, the monuments should be destroyed, and the names rewritten and at the same time pretend to be intellectuals ... . well, it's a shame.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 1 2016 23: 01
      +3
      I agree.
      The decision to shoot the imperial family was made by the Yekaterinburg Soviet of Deputies, in which the Socialist-Revolutionaries predominated, and Voikov was a Menshevik. Lenin, too, had nothing to do with the execution of the Romanovs; he signed a decree of the SNK on the transportation of the imperial family from Tobolsk to Moscow, just in order to avoid a reprisal.
      The execution of the Romanovs was initiated by British Jewish bankers because of the 500 tons of Russian gold stored in "English" banks, which could only be disposed of by members of the royal family. That gold settled in England. There were many impostors who tried to pass themselves off as members of the family of Nicholas II.
  • triglav
    triglav April 1 2016 11: 04
    -4
    The fifth column still banishes our life and our homeland. It’s time for the discontented to deprive of citizenship and expel.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 April 1 2016 11: 04
    +4
    "yesterday His Holiness Patriarch Kirill spoke at the Moscow City Duma at the invitation of deputies. In particular, the Primate of the Russian Church said: “It is impossible for the names of criminals and terrorists to be preserved in our toponymy in the city. I mean Voikov "...

    Hmm ... I, in general, respect Patriarch Kirill ... A clever man, back in Soviet times, if there was an opportunity, sometimes listened to his Sunday sermons on television ... And this despite the fact that I was and I remain an atheist ... Just a smart person, it was interesting to listen ...

    But now ... He shouldn’t get into this jungle ... Moreover, the church is officially separated from the state, but in this case his statement sounds like a political one, disguising itself as theological clothes ...

    History is history ... Everyone calls historical characters heroes or enemies from their own point of view ... But these points of view on heroes-enemies, or on the number of streets are simply not enough ...

    Let everything remain as it is ... For example, I am pleased that not one of the two existing monuments to Lenin was demolished in our town, there are streets - Lenin, Marx, and even Kominternovskaya ...

    Let both Krupin and the Patriarch think that all these destruction-renaming are from the evil demon ...

    PS And in general: there are a lot of problems in the country, and the boyars are again engaged in fornication at their meetings - both verbal and mental ...

    Need to work ! Renaming the Voykovskaya metro station will not increase the country's economy, its defense capacity and the welfare of the people !!!
    1. atamankko
      atamankko April 1 2016 11: 19
      0
      I agree completely.
  • kit-kat
    kit-kat April 1 2016 11: 08
    +5
    For whom is the "most holy", and for whom Gundyaev. I hate priests. Recently, the ROC has been more and more intruding into public and even political life. This speaks of the degradation of society.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 1 2016 12: 26
      +2
      You have a sound idea, I mean .... about the degradation of society, but I would say about the degeneration of this very society, say directly from the texts of the holy books. These books just say about the last times, some degenerates will remain. The process has accelerated. And you say ... I hate priests
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 1 2016 13: 09
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        I’d say about the degeneration of this very society, speak directly from the texts of the holy books. These books just say

        well, clearly, and salvation from degradation, of course, is the prerogative of the church. Hope only for her. The secular state is not charitable. We all degrade and die, if only ... And then the fun begins ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 1 2016 13: 33
          -2
          By what, or on whom hope depends on a person, by the way, no one is pulling into the Church. The church gives a person a choice - that is, freedom. And about the fact that the fun begins, I agree with you here.
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. April 1 2016 13: 49
            +3
            Quote: bober1982
            The church gives a person a choice - that is, freedom.

            since when did the concepts of "church" and "freedom" become synonymous? What is common between dogmatism and freedom of choice, huh?
            Quote: bober1982
            Incidentally, nobody is pulling into the Church by the sleeve.

            this was just not enough. She doesn’t need anyone’s sleeve, not a conquest or the Middle Ages. Mental processing through adepts and shepherding is much more effective.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 April 1 2016 14: 06
              0
              Mental processing through adepts and shepherding is much more effective ...

              No processing will bring any benefit, sectarians with backpacks process it, but they don’t have a relationship with the Church, they come to the Church themselves when they press it. No adherents are needed.
              There is nothing in common between dogmatism (?) And freedom of choice. The church leaves a choice for a person - with whom to be, in his choice he is free.
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. April 1 2016 14: 18
                +2
                Quote: bober1982
                Atheist - before the first shake of the plane.

                Yes Yes. However, the idea is interesting - to take a priest to the staff of the Armed Forces, so that he would go among the pale hitting passengers with a donation box.
                Quote: bober1982
                they come to the Church themselves when they press it.

                and they resort to drugs. And to vodka. And to psychoanalysts. And it happens that organs are sold. "Squeeze" is not an argument, comrade.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 April 1 2016 14: 34
                  +2
                  As for the pale hocking passengers, I don’t know, I can’t say anything. And priests are willingly taken to the combat flight units.
                  As for "squeezing" - depending on how it squeezes, to whom and how it helps, you get complete freedom of choice, I agree.
              2. kit-kat
                kit-kat April 1 2016 14: 29
                0
                So, the church (in all the variety of religions) is the most important sect, designed to conquer and strengthen the power of its elite.
          2. owl
            owl April 1 2016 13: 58
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            The church gives a person a choice - that is, freedom

            And I was thinking how to name the fact that for denying the existence of a "bearded guy in heaven" you can get a criminal record, and this turns out to be called FREEDOM laughingvoluntary-compulsory!
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 April 1 2016 14: 13
              -1
              Will you fantasize, say nonsense.
              1. kit-kat
                kit-kat April 1 2016 14: 31
                -1
                Quote: bober1982
                Will you fantasize, say nonsense.

                Allow me! How, "nonsense"? Last month, there was news that a person was brought to justice for commenting on the Internet, at the instigation of one of the "offended" sectarians.
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. April 1 2016 14: 38
                  0
                  Quote: kit-kat
                  a person was brought to justice for commenting on the Internet, at the instigation of one of the "offended" sectarians.

                  well-oo-oo-oo, "the feelings of believers" are generally such a substance that it is better not to venture here, otherwise the comrades with a particularly delicate organization of the Orthodox soul will knock on VO "where to be". laughing
                2. bober1982
                  bober1982 April 1 2016 14: 42
                  0
                  They did it right, unless you compose.
                  1. owl
                    owl April 1 2016 15: 11
                    -1
                    Will you fantasize, say nonsense.


                    Correctly done, unless you compose


                    what probably it’s called God-pleasing schizophrenia! laughing
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 April 1 2016 15: 35
                      +1
                      Or Satanic Sabbath
                      1. owl
                        owl April 1 2016 16: 14
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Or Satanic Sabbath

                        You rush to you and know better!
              2. owl
                owl April 1 2016 14: 50
                +1
                Quote: bober1982
                Will you fantasize, say nonsense.

                Fantasize this is to the Bible and "Article 148 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation" is today's God-pleasing reality and there are already enough precedents!
  • Million
    Million April 1 2016 11: 13
    -3
    And in VO there are many religious fanatics!
    1. heaps
      heaps April 1 2016 12: 24
      0
      No, like atheists, mixed with Satanists
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 1 2016 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: heaps
        atheists

        and what is wrong?
        1. Wheel
          Wheel April 1 2016 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Quote: heaps
          atheists

          and what is wrong?

          Apparently, sick from the fierce hatred. laughing
          1. kit-kat
            kit-kat April 1 2016 14: 33
            +1
            [\ quote] Apparently, sick from the fierce hatred. laughing[/ Quote]
            In fact of the matter! Somehow not Christian.
          2. heaps
            heaps April 1 2016 14: 41
            0
            No, just recently there have been too many articles on this anti-Orthodox resource. So it came to register, to ask for arguments. But there are no arguments.
            So the site has been redesigned. A new trend has been noticed. Conclusions are made.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. April 1 2016 14: 46
              +3
              Quote: heaps
              Conclusions are made.

              Comrade Major? Knock or just put penance on a site?
            2. owl
              owl April 1 2016 15: 14
              +4
              Quote: heaps
              Conclusions are made.

              Can you anathema belay
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 1 2016 15: 39
              +3
              Heap, and who does not allow you to carry faith in the masses? Write an article. Orthodox. With arguments. And then draw conclusions. And you never answered my question.
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. April 1 2016 16: 19
                +2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Write an article. Orthodox. With arguments.

                maybe not on VO? The saints are sticking their noses everywhere. Ah, you see, he didn’t like the fact that people here talk about priests without proper reverence. Religious content on the network before ... "in general, you will be up to your waist" (c) Why drag it here?
  • deman73
    deman73 April 1 2016 11: 17
    +2
    maybe already enough foolishness tosses, rename everything and always look in the past that someone is to blame for the current troubles
  • weksha50
    weksha50 April 1 2016 11: 18
    +1
    "Famous writer Vladimir Krupin"...

    Um ... I think something about V. Krupin will be added to the place ...

    Here is how the Russian writer Valentin Rasputin spoke about him: “According to the work of Vladimir Krupin, they will someday judge the temperature of life in the cursed era of the end of the century and how this temperature gradually transformed from physical suffering into spiritual hardening. The creative experience of V. Krupin in this sense is unique: he was more determined than most of us, no, even the most decisive ”...

    Position of the author V. Krupin:
    - negatively refers to sexual minorities, calling "pederast parades" parades of perverts.
    - called corrupt officials servants of Satan ...

    Reading the works of Vladimir Nikolaevich Krupin, you feel his enormous and sincere love for the motherland, for the Russian people. The writer explicitly pushes away such Western “values” as pragmatism, cynicism, sexual freedom, as well as popular culture. This is especially evident in the story “Yankees, go home!” In numerous articles and interviews, Vladimir Krupin has repeatedly spoken out negatively on issues of gender relations, the use of foreign borrowing in the Russian language and on other pressing problems of our time. On the pages of his works one can often find common expressions, elements of folklore, such as ditties, sayings, sayings, etc.

    In a later period of his work, Vladimir Krupin goes over to the theme of Orthodoxy and in his works expresses the idea that it is the Orthodox faith that can save our country.

    PS This is me, for understanding - who raised this issue of renaming ...

    It seems that neither a hand nor a tongue rises in order to blaspheme the writer ...

    However, my personal opinion is that the issue that is not relevant at the present time has been raised ...
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 1 2016 11: 20
    +3
    The patriarch actually began to be forgotten. Our church is constitutionally separated from the state. He was the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia elected by the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, and not by universal suffrage, such as the President of the Russian Federation. And it would not be necessary for him to meddle in the affairs of sovereigns, not his diocese. It seems that a rather warm relationship with Putmny turned the old man's head.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 1 2016 14: 16
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      And it would not be necessary for him to meddle in the affairs of sovereigns, not his diocese.

      Looks like there is the will of the sovereign, the authorities had to once again disown the Soviet past by sagging under "human rights activists" - to show the West that the big and terrible USSR will never return, to reassure.
      Yes, this time, it didn’t work out - people didn’t. Of course, the government and the insignificant intelligentsia bombed powerfully, and they decided to call up heavy artillery in the form of the mother of the church.
      True, the caliber is small, and the attitude of the Russian Orthodox Church towards history is generally another story.
      These deer have already spoiled so many churches with their "repairs" that sometimes you already want to remember the experience of the Bolsheviks.
      But they also want Isaac to themselves - save the Lord from the morons.
  • sogdianec
    sogdianec April 1 2016 11: 21
    -6
    In addition to insulting the Patriarch of Russia and the Orthodox Church, the Communists have no arguments. The dog barks, and the caravan of history goes. Time will pass and there will be no names and nicknames of criminals on the streets of our country.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 11: 33
      +5
      Quote: sogdianec
      The dog barks, and the caravan of history goes. Time will pass and there will be no names and nicknames of criminals on the streets of our country.

      OK. The caravan is coming. Imagine: 2020, the Muslim community of Moscow demanded to rename St. Sergius of Radonezh for religious reasons ...
  • Batia
    Batia April 1 2016 11: 23
    0
    I do not tremble with love for Yeltsin. Well? There is a library named after him and let him be. Memory must remain for posterity. Strongly against deleting from memory of surnames, monuments, etc. Thus, we spit on our ancestors, whether they are right or not, they are our ancestors, fathers, mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers.
  • Not served
    Not served April 1 2016 11: 34
    +1
    I am not against the return of historical names to cities, streets. But let’s keep this principle then
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Didn't serve
      I do not mind the return of historical names

      well, not in this case. Metro Voikovskaya is a historical name (if 50 years can be considered history)
      In addition, it is not directly named after Voikov, but in honor of the plant with his name.
  • Jarilo
    Jarilo April 1 2016 11: 36
    +2
    I don’t really understand why Nicholas II was counted among the saints. By this logic, Gorbachev can be counted among the saints. In fact, they acted the same way. Both of them self-isolated at the time when their participation was required. One on bloody Sunday in the Palace Square, which served as the beginning of the first revolution of 1905, and the other, when there was the Emergency Committee with subsequent events that led to the collapse of the USSR.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 1 2016 11: 42
      +4
      first you need to shoot
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 April 1 2016 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: vanavate
        first you need to shoot

        And all the friends of his liberals !!!
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 1 2016 12: 20
      +3
      Quote: Jarilo
      By this logic, Gorbachev can be counted among the saints.
      As it grit, "it's not over yet."
      I won’t be surprised.
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz April 1 2016 11: 39
    +4
    In the city of Shadrinsk, the tradesman Nochvin built a hospital building for his money. And later there was a zemstvo hospital, and in Soviet times a maternity hospital. Now there is a museum. But Nochvin Street is not in the city. For that is, Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Sverdlov, Volodarsky, Lenin who did not hear about this glorious city.
    In Soviet times, the street where the barracks were located was renamed Zhdanova Street (A.A. Zhdanov served there in the reserve regiment in 1914). In new democratic times, the street again became Mikhailovskaya.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: wandlitz
      Lenin who did not hear about this glorious city.

      Lenin did not hear about the glorious city of Mogadishu, but the street was there. laughing
      Yes, everyone will agree with you that opportunistic renaming is the fruit of a temporary delusional exaltation. But in the case of Voikovskaya Street, it is not clear what historical name to choose for renaming "back to .."?
      There is no question of the metro - this is its historical name.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 April 1 2016 16: 49
      0
      In new democratic times, the street again became Mikhailovskaya

      Everyone has gotten used to this street name for a long time (Shadrinsk, Mikhailovskaya), and it would never occur to anyone to call her the absurd name of Zhdanov, so no need to worry.
      This street, this house ..... (former barracks)
  • Not served
    Not served April 1 2016 11: 40
    +4
    I am not against the return of historical names to cities, streets. In my opinion this is correct. But let's also adhere to the same principle to everything. The metro station and side streets (there are five) were named so from the very beginning. This is our story and rewriting it is to open Pandora's box.
  • VVooVVaa
    VVooVVaa April 1 2016 11: 45
    +2
    I do not give donations to the church. I do not want to increase the suffering of God's slaves from gluttony and the burden on their souls from the golden tzatsk
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 2 2016 09: 06
      +1
      To communicate with God, a person does not need intermediaries: paters, priests, mullahs, shamans, ganges, zyuvembi, etc. The church should not be made of stones and logs, but of flesh and ribs.
      God is love.

      Paul
      1 Corinthians

      20: 11 If I speak in human and angelic languages, but I have no love, then I am copper ringing or a cymbal sounding. If I have the gift of prophecy, and I know all the secrets, and I have all knowledge and all faith, so that I can rearrange mountains, but I do not have love, then I am nothing. And if I give away all my possessions and give my body to be burned, but I have no love, there is no use to me in that.
      Love endures, mercy for a long time, love does not envy, love is not exalted, not proud, does not act outrageously, does not seek its own, does not get irritated, does not think evil, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth; covers everything, believes everything, hopes everything, transfers everything. Love never ceases, although prophecies cease, and tongues fall silent, and knowledge is abolished
  • xorgi
    xorgi April 1 2016 11: 45
    0
    Philosophical-ethical dilemma: is it possible to exalt the killer who killed the killer?
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 2 2016 09: 00
      -2
      There are no dilemmas, every nation has the right to execute tyrants destroying the country.
      Objectively, Nicholas II was an enemy of Russia and the Russian people, on his conscience two unnecessary lost wars, the Russo-Japanese and 1-I world wars, the death of millions of Russian soldiers and the undermining of the Russian economy.
      He could not rule the country, had to renounce or change the way of government, the autocracy was replaced by a parliamentary monarchy.
  • Not served
    Not served April 1 2016 11: 46
    +1
    Nicholas II was called "bloody" for a bloody Sunday, when soldiers shot a peaceful demonstration in December 1905, after which the 1905 revolution began and the Bolsheviks and others began to select this movement for themselves.
    And people came with children and icons, by the way. And our church canonized him for the sake of something.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 1 2016 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: Didn't serve
      Nicholas II was called "bloody" for bloody Sunday, when soldiers shot a peaceful demonstration in December 1905

      and not for Khodynka?
      1. Not served
        Not served April 1 2016 16: 25
        0
        By the way, yes, maybe. Because the coronation took place with great sacrifices.