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Who do professors and universities interfere with? Risks of "optimization" of education for the Russian state

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The situation in the Russian higher education system continues to be quite tense. Recently, a number of media outlets reported on upcoming cuts in the RSUH - the Russian State University for the Humanities. The RSUH is one of the leading Russian universities of its kind. It was created in 1991 on the basis of the Moscow Historical and Archival Institute, and its история goes back to the pre-revolutionary past of our country. In 1908, in Moscow, the A. L. Shanyavsky Moscow City National University was established. It was a non-state municipal institution of higher education with two departments - popular science and academic. Then, after the revolution, the Y.M. Sverdlov Communist University was established, and in 1930 the Moscow Institute of History and Archives was established. Future specialists in various fields of humanitarian knowledge — international relations, documentation and archival studies, history, cultural studies, African studies and oriental studies, philosophy, philology, sociology, political science, journalism, and so on — are currently being educated at the RSUH.


29 March 2016 Vsevolod Lazutin, associate professor at the Department of Theoretical and Historical Poetics of the Institute of Philology and History of the RSUH, wrote: , Vladimir Antonovich Dybo. As I understand it, the position of professor-consultant they occupied has been optimized. ” The professors listed are distinguished employees of higher education, excellent specialists in their fields. Naturally, the rumors about their dismissal soon agitated the Russian Internet. Note that in February 2016, Yevgeny Ivakhnenko was elected to the post of rector of the RSUH. He is known as an expert in the fields of social epistemology, systems theory of communication, philosophy of science and philosophy of education. By the way, Ivakhnenko’s first education was a military one, in 1979 he graduated from the Kamyshin Higher Military Engineering School, but nine years later he received a second degree in philosophy. In 2000, Yevgeny Ivakhnenko defended his doctoral dissertation on the topic “The main confrontations of Russian religious-philosophical and political movements of the 11th-20th centuries.” 3 March 2016 Yevgeny Ivakhnenko was approved as the rector of the RSUH.

Evgeny Ivakhnenko chose to refute the information about the dismissal of leading professors of the RSUH. According to the rector, consulting professors will remain in their places under the same conditions. Meanwhile, already on March 30, the Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Livanov, responded to the spread information about the dismissal of professors. According to the minister, there is no reason for the faculty to be reduced in the university, moreover, it is important for the university not only to preserve, but also to increase its personnel potential.

Whatever it was, but the real situation in the field of higher education can not but alarm people associated with working in Russian universities. Despite repeated statements that no reductions are planned in Russian universities, then from one or other higher education institutions information is received about so-called “optimization”. So, in the winter of 2016, it became known about the planned “optimization” at the Southern Federal University. Created as a result of the unification of the Rostov State University, the Rostov State Pedagogical University, and a number of other universities in Rostov-on-Don and the Rostov Region, the Southern Federal University is considered one of the key universities in the South of Russia. For at least the entire 2015, Russian mass media have repeatedly published materials about upcoming cuts at Southern Federal University. In the end, the rector of the SFU, Marina Borovskaya, was even forced to put together a special press conference on the optimization of the university's personnel policy. According to the rector, about any reductions of hundreds of teachers we are not talking, in the extreme case, twenty to thirty people can lose their work. But personnel renewal, in the opinion of the rector, is quite a natural process for any educational institution. In recent years, Russian universities have introduced a system of competitive selection of faculty members. Its supporters say that filling positions in a competition will improve the quality of education at the university. Places of the faculty in universities are limited, and every year there are new doctors and candidates of science, which creates competition for the positions of professors and associate professors.

Who do professors and universities interfere with? Risks of "optimization" of education for the Russian state


However, critics of the ongoing system of “optimization” of Russian higher education are extremely negative about it. According to many figures of national education, “optimization” in reality would entail rather negative consequences for the Russian education system. In the modern world, it is knowledge that becomes the main commodity, and human capital - the main wealth. But is it possible to talk about increasing the knowledge potential of society, if in a country institutions of higher education and teaching staff are being reduced? It is known that in recent years in Russia there have been massive closures of branches of universities. They are allegedly caused by the poor quality of education provided at the branches. Trying to bring the Russian education to the "world level", the government, nevertheless, misses such an important moment as the presence in the country of the need not only for world-class scientists, but also for ordinary qualified specialists with higher education. It is foolish to make excessive demands on teachers and students of provincial pedagogical, technical, medical, agronomic and other universities. The reduction of these universities due to "low efficiency" will only lead to a huge shortage of specialists in the field. Today, and so there is an obvious shortage of rural teachers, doctors, regional hospitals and clinics, engineering and technical specialists. Finally, the fate of teachers is not very clear. Where to go 50-year-old assistant professor at a provincial high school in the case of reduction? It is too late to relearn, a narrow specialist does not have any other professional skills - after all, he taught students all his life. But this question is not considered by officials from education, for some reason.

There is one more important nuance. Any education “ennobles” a person, makes him more intelligent, thinking. What is planned to take those young people who are now studying in provincial universities or are preparing to enroll in them? It can be long to argue that “workers need labor” or “not everyone needs higher education”, but if you look at the situation objectively, it is obvious that these young people will be just on the street, join the ranks of the unemployed or unskilled labor. In the modern world, any normal state is not interested in getting more unqualified “workers”, but in improving the quality of human capital, that is, in the production of qualified specialists. Of course, it may not be necessary in the Russian province such a number of lawyers, economists, managers or psychologists. But what can be offered in return? Do new institutions of secondary vocational education open en masse, where representatives of modern working specialties are trained? Or, perhaps, jobs are created that can attract a large number of young people who used to go to universities? If not, the reduction in the number of universities would entail only the marginalization of Russian youth, with all the ensuing consequences.

At the beginning of the last 2015, the Federal Target Program on the development of education for the period 2016 - 2020 was published. In accordance with the Federal Target Program, in Russia it is planned to optimize the number of branches of universities in the direction of their reduction. After the reforms, the number of universities in the country will be reduced to 40%, however, however, the Federal Targeted Program contains mention of an increase in the number of students receiving high-quality and modern higher education. Proponents of reducing the number of universities claim that in Russia the number of students exceeds the global average? But is it bad when a large number of young people study? Moreover, the number of students in both the USA and Western Europe is also very significant, and there is no sense in navigating the “third world” countries, which are the suppliers of the illiterate and unskilled labor force.



The reduction in the number of universities and the closely related "optimization" of the faculty entail a sufficiently large number of risks for the Russian state. We list the main ones. Firstly, this is a significant decrease in the total intellectual potential of Russian society due to a decrease in the number of people with higher education and students. As we understand, there is nothing good in this and cannot be. There is a growing demand for highly qualified specialists in the world who are able to master advanced technologies and develop new ones, to operate modern types of equipment. Against this background, the expedient task would not be to reduce the old ones, but, on the contrary, to open new universities.

Secondly, this is an increase in social tension in society due to the emergence of two large groups of unemployed people - former teachers who have lost their jobs and potential applicants who, due to the massive reduction in the number of universities, have remained outside the sphere of higher education and are forced to look for an occupation. Meanwhile, unemployed youth, as is known, is one of the main carriers of protest and socially negative sentiments, joining the ranks of criminal gangs, and becoming the social base of extremist organizations. On the other hand, the intellectuals offended by the authorities are the main source, the “core” of opposition and protest moods, and respect for their status attracts the attention of society to them. As for reducing the number of budget places in universities, it also entails the aggravation of social inequality, and so remains extremely high in Russia.

Thirdly, there is a threat to the normal functioning of the social institutions of the Russian state in the province. Russia is not Moscow and not St. Petersburg, not even large regional centers, but countless cities, towns, villages, villages and towns. All of them need staff recruiting of teachers and doctors, engineers and agronomists, even the same cultural workers. In the Russian province, even now, there is an outflow of population in large urban centers - also because the social, social and cultural conditions of existence of Russian small cities, not to mention the countryside, do not meet the needs and aspirations of modern man. Few people want to live in such a village where there are practically no schools, low intellectual and educational level of the population, poor school education and medical care. Accordingly, the Russian province will also become empty and "die out."

Fourth, the reduction in the number of higher educational institutions inevitably affects the general infrastructure of education and culture. Many universities - this means the need of the population in libraries, information centers, institutions of culture and art, but after reducing the number of universities will inevitably reduce and cultural institutions.

Fifthly, an important point is attracting foreign students, which can be a source of additional income for the Russian state. While the demand for Russian higher education in comparison with the US or European remains quite low, which, in turn, affects the income of the Russian state. Reducing the number of universities and their teachers is unlikely to contribute to a change in the situation in this area, but rather - will lead to a further decline in demand for Russian education.

The Russian state is faced with a very difficult task - to develop a strategy for organizing and managing the education system, which will make it truly effective, maintain its relevance at the global and national levels, but avoid reductions in the number of students and the number of trainers. Preserving and multiplying scientific schools, educational traditions is one of the most important tasks of the Russian state in the field of higher education, and the policy of reforming the education system should be focused on its solution.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 March 2016 07: 15
    +33
    about upcoming cuts at the RSUH

    It would be better to completely reduce the HSE - the forge of pro-Westerners. That’s why Russia would definitely not lose anything, but only win. Our country has not been lucky for the ministers of education for a quarter of a century.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 31 March 2016 07: 56
      +3
      Maybe someone knows how many applicants last year did not enter? Universities are half-empty (not including metropolitan). And high school is also half empty.
      Due to the banal demographic hole. Last year there was a shortage of first graders. Teachers went to market. So what to do? Capitalism!
      1. Edvagan
        Edvagan 31 March 2016 09: 27
        +5
        I do not agree a bit. People are breaking into decent universities, they are not empty, but all sorts of frivolous offices are empty. As for first-graders, so we (Leningrad Oblast) now have places in the first grades, 33 people in the class, and it’s unrealistic to arrange a kindergarten. Not so good with demographics, but much better than in the 90s.
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 31 March 2016 12: 52
          -2
          Quote: Edvagan
          Not so good with demographics, but much better than in the 90s

          Yes, not much better! According to statistics, in the area where I live (Altai Territory) people die one and a half times more than they are born! And this is from year to year for at least the last 10 years! Here is the real demography for you!
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 April 1 2016 02: 26
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            Of course, I'm sorry to say, but the Altai Territory and the surrounding areas in 2015 have the most worthless demographic indicators. Especially in crime. There is the largest number of killings per 100000 inhabitants and so on. Simply put, this region is not an indicator for the entire country. There you really have all the indicators xs what is happening. For example, the most peaceful place in the Russian Federation is Chechnya. Only 2 murders per 100 thousand inhabitants, and the most dangerous regions of Tuva (44,8 people per 100 thousand people), Trans-Baikal Territory (26,4), Altai (22,8). So, it's time for you to spend there otherwise.
            But higher education is simple. Industry and economics need specialists. Universities should give them. But in reality they do not give them. There are many people with diplomas, and few people work in their specialties. But budget money goes for training. Again, do not forget about the changes compared to the USSR. HAS BEEN A UNIVERSITY, PREPARED SPECIALISTS FOR THE CITY-FORMING ENTERPRISE. The enterprise went bankrupt, and the university remained and trains specialists who, with his diplomas, go to work as janitors or managers. And in another place the plant was opened, but there are no specialists for it. PM and enlargement and shuffling will be. And closing. Soviet education perished with the USSR and its economy. What remains is the ruins of the building. There is nothing to restore there. Will have to re-create under the new conditions. And the first thing you need is to understand how many, what kind of specialists the economy needs and in which regions. hi
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 31 March 2016 09: 28
        +2
        For current fifth graders, the competition will not be small. The question is how many universities will remain by then. And in what condition.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 31 March 2016 10: 37
          +3
          The competition should be rather big. And studying at a university should be hard, difficult.
      3. bandabas
        bandabas 31 March 2016 10: 38
        -2
        In a word, Univer.
      4. My doctor
        My doctor 31 March 2016 13: 12
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Maybe someone knows how many applicants last year did not enter? Universities are half-empty (not including metropolitan). And high school is also half empty.
        Due to the banal demographic hole. Last year there was a shortage of first graders. Teachers went to market. So what to do? Capitalism!

        At the beginning of the twentieth century, there were a lot of universities in pre-revolutionary Russia "On the eve of the war, there were more than a hundred universities with 150 students (in France, about 000 students)," but the technical lag was colossal.
        On the eve of the war in Russia there were more than one hundred universities with 150 students (in France - about 000 students).

        Dear elderly people: Yuri Vladimir Mann (born June 9, 1929, Moscow), Nina Sergeevna Pavlova (born Pototskaya, born June 14, 1932, Moscow), Vadim Moiseevich Gayevsky (born November 12, 1928, Moscow), etc. . With all due respect, but it seems to me that they should have been held with respect to retirement twenty years ago, so that later they would be welcomed as honored and deserving guests.
        And soon, not only a hundred and one graduate of schools will have several study places at universities in the country, so we can introduce each to a professor. This is funny? Why do you need balls in the exam when you and so everywhere will take just because of a shortage?
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    3. nils
      nils 31 March 2016 08: 09
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Our country has not been lucky for the ministers of education for a quarter of a century.


      That is, to put a good minister and everything will be fine? You are a naive person.
      Modernization, innovation, bolonization, bachelor's degree, master's degree, specialized training - the "OST" plan developed by Hitler for the eastern territories:
      "In no case should the local population be given a higher education. If we make this mistake, we ourselves will generate resistance against us in the future. Therefore, it is quite enough to teach the local population only to read and write (prepare literate consumers)."

      - The whole territory of Russia needs to be divided into a number of states with their own governments, ready to conclude peace treaties with us ...
      - It is necessary to provide for the division of the territory inhabited by Russians into different political regions with their own governing bodies in order to ensure separate national development in each of them ... There is no doubt that such administrative fragmentation of the Russian territory and the planned separation of individual regions will be one of the means of combating the strengthening of the Russian people ... The carriers of the state political idea should be destroyed.
      - Our political line regarding Ukraine is the promotion of aspirations for national independence up to the potential creation of our own statehood. This would serve to weaken Great Russia and create a political counterbalance to it.
      - Our policy regarding the peoples inhabiting the vast expanses of Russia should be to encourage any form of disagreement and division.
      - There are many ways to undermine the biological power of the people ... In the East, we must consciously pursue a policy to reduce the population. By means of propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children ... We need to show how much money raising children costs, and what could be acquired with these funds. It is necessary to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman to whom she is exposed, giving birth to children, etc. The broadest propaganda of contraceptives should be deployed ... The distribution of these funds and abortions should in no way be limited ... The expansion should be encouraged in every way abortion networks ... The better the abortion will be, the more credible the population will be. It is clear that doctors must also have permission to have abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics ... "
      Voluntary sterilization should be promoted.
      ETC.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 31 March 2016 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: nils (1)
        That is, to put a good minister and everything will be fine? You are a naive person.

        Thank you for opening your eyes, otherwise I really (in your opinion) thought that it was only the minister. This was written because every new Minister of Education in a hurry to contribute to the collapse of education, trying to leave his personal mark in history.
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 31 March 2016 13: 20
        0
        Quote: nils
        Modernization, innovation, bolonization, bachelor's degree, master's degree, specialized training - the "OST" plan developed by Hitler for the eastern territories:

        One word - insanity.
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 31 March 2016 15: 51
        0
        Hitler has something to do with it.
        Why tell us 2000 institutes, academies and universities?
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 31 March 2016 16: 12
          +2
          Cap morgan

          Explain to you again why?

          Explain again why science needs to be expanded, rather than dismiss teachers.

          There is such a thing, the transition of quantity into quality.

          Quantity is a materially limited product.

          In the transition from feudalism to capitalism, a system of a new distribution of material resources was created. Material resources received redistribution in the form of their ownership of a minority to the detriment of the majority. Most will always be unemployed, this is a crisis.

          But there is another form of development, when opportunities arise for using accumulation and development in the scientific field.

          This is the transition from quantity to quality.

          Quality has no boundaries of development. But quality unity can use the material resource to the end leading it to the final result.

          This is a new stage in the development of capitalism.

          How to do it?

          Withdraw wages from the field of material competition. Leave the income of entrepreneurs in the market.

          Technically, I have already said how to do this.
        2. AK64
          AK64 31 March 2016 19: 35
          +1
          Why tell us 2000 institutes, academies and universities?

          Then, in the 21st century, decades will not be enough.

          2000 universities is a lot or a little? Answer: in Ireland, the population of 4.5 million is about 150 thousand university students, or 3% of the population. In Catalonia, only in Barcelona alone, there are 4 thousand students in only 120 big universities. Considering the rest somewhere around 250 thousand students per 3.5 million of the population of Catalonia.

          Investing in people, in their skills is the most profitable investment.

          Another thing is about the quality of Russian education, in the sense of "who teaches?" and "what are they teaching?" Unfortunately, losers teach nonsense.
    4. Edvagan
      Edvagan 31 March 2016 09: 25
      +6
      RSUH is also a so-so office. We have a branch in our city, so they pass exams in higher mathematics for a bottle of cognac. The crap is complete.
      1. your1970
        your1970 31 March 2016 18: 16
        +1
        I don’t know for the RSUH, our institute was full of crap, pay for the year of study and you will have a diploma in 6 years (correspondence) ..
        What kind of science are you talking about? Such institutions need to be burned as a breeding ground for mediocrity and stupidity, and certainly not to increase the number of teachers and such institutions. The benefits from them are zero, or rather it is negative because they lower the status of higher education to zero ... .
        1. phantom
          phantom 31 March 2016 18: 55
          0
          On the "zaochka" everywhere so
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 March 2016 10: 29
      +2
      Honestly, the Russian State Humanitarian University is from the same category.
    6. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 31 March 2016 12: 48
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Our country has not been lucky for the ministers of education for a quarter of a century.

      When the question arose about the resignation of Livanov, our Duma members at once stalled this issue. The question is, why? Yes, because our leaders do not need smart, thinking youth, they only need consumers! Cancel the Bologna system? Yes you what! After all, this is one of the conditions for Russia's entry into the WTO, which we absolutely do not need! And our former education system was based on the Japanese, not the most stupid nation in the world.
      1. AK64
        AK64 31 March 2016 20: 47
        0
        And our former education system was based on the Japanese, not the most stupid nation in the world.


        Do not invent In Japan, the Bologna system
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 March 2016 07: 22
    +8
    An educated specialist is not needed, but a qualified consumer is needed. Where is the place for professors?
  3. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 31 March 2016 07: 29
    +16
    in the USSR there was the best education in the world - without nostalgia, but the truth ...... and for some years now we are modernizing with a pro-Western bias and getting worse and worse ....... maybe enough already ????
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 31 March 2016 08: 37
      .
      It is interesting where did the opinion of the best education in the world in the USSR come from. And then what brought the country to a pen. Too smart?
      1. Ru_N
        Ru_N 31 March 2016 11: 09
        +4
        Specialist education and politics are two different things. Politics is a dirty thing. It was politicians from Khrushchev to Gorbachev and Yeltsin who brought the country to collapse. And here we are talking about personnel education, and so it was in the USSR at a completely different level than now. We launched the first man into space, implemented megaprojects of national significance (there are many of them, I will not list them). In medicine, everything was in order when it was not focused on loot. All this could be done only by excellent specialists who were educated at universities of the USSR. But the Western liberals all annihilated. Now everything has to be raised in a new way.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 31 March 2016 17: 15
          0
          RU_N

          Stalin created monopoly capitalism. All means of production belonged to the state (ideologically to the people).

          Since there is no competition in the natural monopoly, Stalin decided to use the idea of ​​V.I. Lenin on the transition of quantity into quality. More precisely in the organization of competition in science and education.

          Therefore, the USSR was, in principle, the most educated country.

          But! Attention again.

          The government of the USSR has accumulated a huge material resource that could undergo another round of distribution. Which was done by those who did not support the policy of Stalin.

          And as a result there was a regression. Return. Almost the state and the country were not ruined.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 31 March 2016 17: 33
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            I want to finish the thought

            In the Russian Federation, after the collapse of the USSR, a very painful redistribution of property took place. Over the following period, capitalism brought a situation where material resources created poverty and niscount. And he came to a dead end of development.

            No levers of tax policy will lead to a balance. We need a mechanism that could create an area of ​​interest in the proper distribution of these material resources.

            This is when the rich continue to be rich, and the poor become necessary and continue to work, but in a qualitatively new form. Someone will remain in the production of material resources, such% 10-30, and someone will move into the field of science and applied application.

            Actually this is the transition from quantity to quality.

            Technically, this can be done without class contradictions and any reforms with revolutions. In peaceful way.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 31 March 2016 12: 58
        -1
        Quote: Kenneth
        Too smart?

        You, apparently, did not live and did not study at the time of the USSR! And to judge the level of education in the USSR and now - not for you!
      3. My doctor
        My doctor 31 March 2016 13: 24
        0
        Quote: Kenneth
        It is interesting where did the opinion of the best education in the world in the USSR come from. And then what brought the country to a pen. Too smart?

        Those who here consider themselves smart, and if so, they have received the best education in the world.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 March 2016 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      in the USSR there was the best education in the world - without nostalgia, but the truth ...... and for some years now we are modernizing with a pro-Western bias and getting worse and worse ....... maybe enough already ????

      The best in the world was in Germany.
      In the USSR, education was very much divorced from practice.
      The specialist scratched something on a piece of paper, but what it was in real life had no idea.
    3. AK64
      AK64 31 March 2016 19: 42
      0
      the USSR had the best education in the world


      And how did you compare?
      Share the technique?

      In the USSR, an avalanche of useless and unsystematic information was dumped on unfortunate children. Since it was impossible to assimilate it (unsystematized), the postscripts and the raising of grades for the ears began. Another result of the "best" is widespread scaleosis due to overload with homework. (I immediately recognize a Soviet man by his posture, especially on the beach.)

      So how did you compare what is so confidently "best"?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 31 March 2016 19: 52
        0
        Quote: AK64
        So how did you compare what is so confidently "best"?

        I'm comparing the results yes

        Quote: AK64
        In the USSR, an avalanche of useless and unsystematized information was dumped on unfortunate children

        - a lie, or you are very unlucky with the teachers. With all at once. I do not believe it does not happen (c) No.

        Quote: AK64
        Since it was impossible to assimilate it (unsystematized), postscript and tightening of ratings by ears began

        - yah? I probably didn’t study there (1969-1979 school, if that)

        Quote: AK64
        Another result of "the best" is widespread scaleosis due to overload with homework

        - mdya .. here for fifty dollars already, and no signs .. cool, huh? wink

        Quote: AK64
        I immediately recognize a Soviet person by posture, especially on the beach

        - and he, the campaign, is non-Soviet .. nude-nude winked

        Quote: AK64
        So how did you compare what is so confidently "best"?

        Damn, find at least one mistake in what I wrote. Today's (average) high school graduate will make from five to ten grammatical mistakes on the same "set" .. I work with such .. pricks, in the course, kakbe request
        1. AK64
          AK64 31 March 2016 20: 12
          -1
          So how did you compare what is so confidently "best"?


          I'm comparing yes to the results


          And what are the "results"? Where is the Soviet Apple? Where is Mercedes? Or maybe what was created in the field of philosophy?


          In the USSR, an avalanche of useless and unsystematized information was dumped on unfortunate children

          - a lie, or you are very unlucky with the teachers. With all at once. I do not believe it does not happen (c) no


          You are not the smartest person if you cry "lies".
          A banal question: Who at school learned a foreign language to the state of "I can communicate with a foreigner"? Have you learned?
          Let it be recognized who has learned to such a level.
          How many of those present at least once used tangents in their lives?
          About the subject "literature", which kills the desire to read Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, I am already silent.

          - yah? I probably didn’t study there (1969-1979 school, if that)

          maybe not there. How many of your classmates really knew about their grades?
          By the way, in which city was the school --- also an important question.

          - mdya .. here for fifty dollars already, and no signs .. cool, huh? wink

          Are you abroad where many Russians have been? Is Turkey there, Egypt? Look at the beach: generalized scleosis.

          However, who your mom-dad is is an important point.

          - and he, the campaign, is non-Soviet .. nude-nude

          Naturally: to be Soviet in the 21st century is simply indecent - to live in yesterday and refuse to be aware of reality. Lem, "The Futurological Congress". Or "The Matrix"


          Damn, find at least one mistake in what I wrote.

          "Error"? It is trite: did you "study" a foreign language? At the end of the conversation with foreigners
          Dimo could freely? Have you read books without a dictionary?

          This is not a mistake --- it is hysterical blindness and complacency of a person with an extremely narrow horizons.
          Today's (average) high school graduate will make from five to ten grammatical mistakes on the same "set" .. I work with such .. pricks, in the course, kakbe


          And now the female logic has started (actually, it started right away --- well, here it’s clearly visible).
          It would seem that if they say "the best" then it should be compared with Germany / England / Japan / Sweden. But this, of course, cannot: the outlook is tiny. Compare "yesterday-today".
          And this is precisely women's logic: the search for a key under a flashlight.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 31 March 2016 21: 48
            +1
            Quote: AK64
            And what are the "results"? Where is the Soviet Apple? Where is Mercedes? Or maybe what was created in the field of philosophy?

            - Substitution of the subject of discussion - one of the standard trolling techniques .. okay ..

            Quote: AK64
            You are not the smartest person if you say "lies"

            - I do not scream. I state a fact. Calm note yes

            Quote: AK64
            A banal question: Who at school learned a foreign language to the state of "I can communicate with a foreigner"? Have you learned?

            - no. And the task was not set that way. In the Soviet Union, from one "closed" city - through an institute - I got to another "closed city". Into the "box". What kind of foreigners are there to talk to?
            - but after that, when I got into a strongly western office - six months later I was messing around in angelic - only the way .. the basic training was good, however ..

            Quote: AK64
            How many of those present at least once used tangents in their lives?

            - yeah, so far .. we are metallurgists, we have a hammer with an anvil closer laughing

            Quote: AK64
            How many of your classmates really knew about their grades?
            By the way, in which city was the school --- also an important issue

            - all (about classmates and grades)
            - Academic campus near Moscow, guess three times wink

            Quote: AK64
            This is not a mistake --- it is hysterical blindness and complacency of a person with an extremely narrow horizons

            - Well, where already .. we are this .. condo, and from the plow current that .. wooden laughing

            Quote: AK64
            And this is exactly women's logic

            - Another of the twelve trolling techniques what

            Yes-ahhh ... but it was a good start (they say yes about you) request
            1. AK64
              AK64 31 March 2016 22: 08
              -1
              - Substitution of the subject of discussion - one of the standard trolling techniques .. okay ..

              It's funny: the person claims that he "judges by the results", but when he is asked to present these "results" - he shouts "guard, rob", that is, "the subject is being replaced."
              Funny.

              - I do not scream. I state a fact. Calm note

              You are screaming. And you're trying to discredit your opponent. Which, of course, is a "rhetorical technique" that is common for Soviet people (demand a passport, check a residence permit, scream "lies" - you, Soviet, are terribly monotonous and inventive.)

              - not. And the task was not set like that.

              Here is another typical rhetorical technique of "Soviet people": puffing out his cheeks, declare "the task was not set like that" (that is, in translation "you ...."). But how exactly the "task was set" the Soviet will never say. Because this is not an argument - it is a banal evasion of an answer.

              So: in Europe, foreign languages ​​are also taught in schools, and sometimes two at a time. And for some reason graduates are able to communicate in these languages. Not "writing novels", but at least they can come to an agreement with the seller and the taxi driver.
              But in the USSR, where "the best education" is, there is "another task" ...

              So is it worth it to talk with such people, that’s the question?

              What, to the raven, are foreigners with whom to talk there?

              You could not read without a dictionary either.
              And they could not write.
              So what was the "challenge"?


              - but after that, when I got into a strongly western office - six months later I was messing around in angelic - only the way .. the basic training was good, however ..


              I think you are deceiving: in adulthood, after a break, it is impossible to "just go on the road". I state this absolutely categorically: adult immigrants in the country of the language cannot "go on the road" earlier than in a couple of years.
              It is a fact. And you have exactly fantasies.

              - yeah, so far .. we are metallurgists, we have a hammer with an anvil closer

              So how many?

              - all (about classmates and grades)

              It could not be
              - academic campus near Moscow, guess wink three times

              Clear. further it is possible not to continue: special schools etc.

              And so-and-so (a graduate of special schools!) Will he tell us about education here?
              Would be shy.
              Would be ashamed Russian people.
              All their life having "specials" (schools, distributors, access to education), they will tell the Russian people about the life of these Russians!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 31 March 2016 23: 11
                0
                Quote: AK64
                You could not read without a dictionary either.
                And they could not write.

                Oooo-ooooo ... how everything is running ..

                I'll disappoint you right now .. to the impossibility: they could .. without a dictionary. Both read and write. When I got to the office, where the language of communication is angelic, the only problem was to talk. For six months I decided, only on the road fellow

                Quote: AK64
                It could not be

                Are you in vain ... laughing

                Quote: AK64
                And so-and-so (a graduate of special schools!) Will he tell us about education here?

                It wasn’t a special school .. average average .. a little above average yes

                Quote: AK64
                All their life having "specials" (schools, distributors, access to education), they will tell the Russian people about the life of these Russians!

                - and this is another trolling technique .. Automatic (AK64), you have already interested me wink
                1. AK64
                  AK64 April 1 2016 00: 03
                  -1
                  I'm not interested in talking to you: a person who lived at the expense of the Russian people, receiving special services (special schools, special supplies of postal cities) tells Russians about Russian life: “how was there no meat? But you go into the store and buy it! " - and only then it turns out that the shop with meat was in the post office, behind the wire.

                  I'm not interested in talking to you. I’ve been in Runet for 20 years, and I have met abundantly such people as I see through, good creatures are simple and even primitive: the Soviet parasite wants special services for him lasted further.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null April 1 2016 00: 15
                    0
                    Quote: AK64
                    I'm not interested in talking to you

                    - this is your personal grief .. bear it .. have to wink

                    Quote: AK64
                    a man who lived at the expense of the Russian people, receiving special services (special schools, special supply of postal cities)

                    - Is it you about yourself, or what? I didn’t have - no special schools, no special services .. it was just that foreigners entered our village .. was strictly requested .. somehow yes

                    Quote: AK64
                    I'm not interested in talking to you

                    - already was, I understood and even answered laughing

                    Quote: AK64
                    I met abundantly such as you and see through and through, the benefit of the creatures is simple, and even primitive: the Soviet parasite wants the special service for him to continue on

                    - mdya .. a bad case .. okay, at your leisure .. let's figure it out

                    I said (c) request
                    1. AK64
                      AK64 April 1 2016 00: 52
                      0
                      Surprisingly naive Soviet people: for some reason they think that they are very complex and interesting to someone ....

                      But in reality - the simplest.

                      He brought in an hour
  4. VP
    VP 31 March 2016 07: 34
    +13
    He is known as a specialist in the fields of social epistemology, systems theory of communication, philosophy of science and philosophy of education.

    Badly needed areas, the country is wildly lacking in humanities, the country simply cannot survive without them laughing
    Idiocy - humanitarians are released in wild numbers, some lawyers were released three generations ahead, economists five, but nobody can be touched because he is a "specialist in the fields of social epistemology."
    At the same time, look at how many graduates of schools choose to pass the exam in social studies (mandatory for admission to humanitarian studies) and how much they choose to take physics (mandatory for most technical specialties and social sciences)
    428 thousand against 160!
    160 thousand in all, more than 2,5 times the difference!
    Some "social epistemologists"!
    And there are other humanitarian subjects that are surrendered by graduates of their choice, for example, literature, history (the same story was chosen as much as physics, 160 thousand)
    We are becoming a country in which they prefer to chat rather than produce.
    And we are outraged by any attempt on the position of stamping humanitarians in the wild numbers of universities.
    What, RSUH some kind of coolest university or what? No, it seems, even among Russian universities it’s somewhere in the fourth dozen and according to international rankings it’s not found at all
    1. avt
      avt 31 March 2016 09: 17
      +8
      Quote: VP
      Badly needed areas, the country is wildly lacking in humanities, the country simply cannot survive without them

      But what about without them, without such a number, will we fight for humanism and the cause of peace "throughout the world !? laughing To the author - before wringing his hands in ecstasy about a poor share
      The reduction in the number of universities and the closely related “optimizations” of the faculty entail a rather large number of risks for the Russian state.
      I propose simply to compare the number of available faculty and teaching contingent, the number of universities with their branches, and they should be considered as separate institutions, since they issue diplomas of the state standard, and the regulatory minimum required for OPENING a university. I don’t even stutter for training, again, comb through surnames - who, where and when, according to the schedule, “teaches.” Be very surprised at the result. Yes, so that later you will want to multiply the paid places of students by several thousand $ and the total amount will also delight. , Buratinah "and the issuance of state deplom to them, of course, is not comparable with the oil industry and the banking sector, but the grandmothers raise oh-oh-oh-very good ones.
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Education has become only a type of product and goods of not very high quality.

      No. You are great behind the realities of life. Nobody has been selling education for a long time, they are selling state-recognized diplomas through the counters registered by universities, their branches, which is more profitable for this business, with certainly accreditation in the Ministry of Education. In Moscow, of course, disgrace with "institutions" in the basements of residential houses, I had one in the next house, of course they cleaned up, in the subway passages diplomas are not sold insolently, but the system as a whole is still functioning, is not cleaned up to the level of error and continues to be regularly supplied, for good loot, with state certificates of receipt education, everyone.
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 31 March 2016 12: 19
        +4
        Quote: avt
        You are great behind the realities of life. Nobody has been trading in education for a long time ...

        I personally know a person with a purchased diploma, but he not only bought it, but was considered a student for 4 years, but did not go to classes there, he was simply noted there, he was listed in the group's magazine, there was also a record-book, and eventually received a diploma and at the moment having one more diploma obtained in the same way, he sits in an easy chair in the civil service ... Do you think there are few such "specialists" produced by commercial universities?
        1. avt
          avt 31 March 2016 15: 37
          0
          Quote: Tatar 174
          Do you think that commercial universities have produced few such "specialists"?

          I don’t even think .... request
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 31 March 2016 17: 01
            0
            Quote: avt
            I don’t even think ....

            So here ... Nobody knows. It's kind of like gophers, no one sees them, but they are.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 31 March 2016 19: 12
      +2
      VP

      You have now described the problems, the lack of a system.


      The system does not allow random selection.


      Therefore, the right to choose subjects of study undermines consistency. Creates the cost of material resources on the right to choose.

      Look here. You are a historian. You have chosen a profession and have in your luggage a sufficient set of studied subjects. I am convinced that in the government there is no corresponding position for you. It is historians who must go to government. Because history is a science that studies the present through knowledge of the past.

      You need to relearn. It turns out that to become a mechanical engineer you need school physics. And you take an additional course that you cannot ask externally, you need to spend a year, live somewhere and eat something. Direct costs.

      But because the system is destroyed.
    3. AK64
      AK64 31 March 2016 19: 53
      +1
      Extremely needed areas, the country is wildly lacking in humanities, the country simply won’t survive without laughing
      Idiocy - humanitarians are released in wild numbers, some lawyers were released three generations ahead, economists five, but nobody can be touched because he is a "specialist in the fields of social epistemology."


      this is not true --- the humanities in the country are not real. And those that are are wrong.

      This is just a question of "who teaches" and "what is taught": now in every university there is a Philosophy faculty and a faculty of public administration. And none of the parents comes up with the question of who their child will work after the end of this nonsense: apparently they are sure that they will immediately go to work as a philosopher (WHERE ?!) or as an adviser to the president.

      At the same time, normal, healthy humanities are sorely lacking. Such is the problem.
  5. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 31 March 2016 07: 54
    +8
    Universities were allowed to commercialize, so they just started to "hit" money, forgetting about education. Education has become only a kind of goods and goods of not very high quality. Why is the Government wise? Everything has already been thought out and adjusted, develop only and carefully, but no. Now we have come to what we have come to, but there is still an opportunity to cancel the unnecessary and return, but time passes and the losses increase.
    1. VP
      VP 31 March 2016 08: 35
      +3
      Quote: Tatar 174
      develop only and carefully, but no

      Common words.
      How to develop something?
      Well, for example, there is a problem - for twenty years the disproportion between the humanities and natural sciences has been accumulating. Nobody needs so many humanitarian workers. As one friend of mine says, "there are so many of them that even if you swamp the stoves with them, you can't really attach anywhere else"
      And how to solve this problem?
      And private universities that have been cultivated since the 90s?
      There is sheer profanity, a factory selling "almost real diplomas of higher education", I know what I am talking about, but try to close them - the hardest thing, their darkness, together with various "regional branches" performing the same role. Now they are being shot in a small way, but ...
      In general, enough problems have accumulated since the 90s, and many already simply cannot be solved "carefully"
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 31 March 2016 12: 13
        +1
        Quote: VP
        Common words.
        How to develop something?

        Actually, I mean the Soviet education system, it was the best in the world ... Unfortunately, it was destroyed.
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 31 March 2016 15: 59
          +1
          Quote: Tartar 174
          Quote: VP
          Common words.
          How to develop something?

          Actually, I mean the Soviet education system, it was the best in the world ... Unfortunately, it was destroyed.

          My friend in the fifth year of transport engineers could not solve the differential equation. For grade 10. Similarly, a cousin, a student of the auto-mechanical.
          Probably in the world in general there was no education if this is the best
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 31 March 2016 16: 58
            +1
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            My friend in the fifth year of transport engineers could not solve the differential equation. For grade 10. Similarly, a cousin, a student of the auto-mechanical.
            Probably in the world in general there was no education if this is the best

            Well, how do they work in the specialties now? Or didn’t they work a day?
            1. Cap.Morgan
              Cap.Morgan 31 March 2016 21: 33
              0
              Quote: Tartar 174
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              My friend in the fifth year of transport engineers could not solve the differential equation. For grade 10. Similarly, a cousin, a student of the auto-mechanical.
              Probably in the world in general there was no education if this is the best

              Well, how do they work in the specialties now? Or didn’t they work a day?

              Naturally, NOW they are doing other things.
              But they then prepared them for WORK at Soviet enterprises and at Soviet research institutes. And if it weren’t for the well-known events, they would be working now in the Soviet national economy as pretty.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 31 March 2016 19: 27
            0
            Cap morgan

            I will answer you why the education system in the USSR was the best.

            Because it was a system. The key lies in the word system.

            I will explain in more detail.

            In the USSR there was no division into humanitarians and practitioners in school education. Therefore, it is natural that, having a standard knowledge base, someone was better at something.

            Later in vocational schools, technical schools, institutes, universities, and there was a separation of abilities and wishes.

            But! Without breaking the system. There was no right to choose. There was training in standard specialties.

            As soon as the specialty became irrelevant, it was possible to quickly and easily retrain. Taking a course in absentia. And again, this is possible, because everything was brought to a single standard in the system.

            Why the USSR, citizens are considered educated. Because they did not have the right to choose. They are generalists. It is universality that is the concept of education.
            1. AK64
              AK64 31 March 2016 20: 30
              -2
              I will answer you why the education system in the USSR was the best.


              May I ask?
              Do you personally have anything to do with education?
              That is, how much is your opinion professional or competent?

              Further: what is your horizons? Did you compare with American or German? And how exactly were they compared?

              Anticipating your objections "you yourself are bald!" I will say that I will answer these questions in the affirmative.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 31 March 2016 20: 55
                0
                AK64

                I will answer you to eliminate any doubts.

                When I make certain proposals, I am guided exclusively by logic and common sense.

                I do not require following my advice in terms of the number of my certificates.

                Only logic and common sense.

                In this case, my weight in society does not play any role.
                1. AK64
                  AK64 31 March 2016 22: 20
                  -1
                  When I make certain proposals, I am guided exclusively by logic and common sense.


                  It is clear: that is, when you say "Soviet education was the best," this is nothing more than a question of Faith.

                  Then it would be worth saying "it seems to me what .... was the best. "

                  So, as a person professionally engaged in education for a very long time, and with a considerable outlook (after all, 6 countries), I have to disappoint you: Soviet education was not only not the best, but also below average. Let's say the mentioned German Morganov is much better.

                  The most important problem in owls. education: a complete lack of understanding of tasks and goals: who taught what and why, and what exactly they wanted to get at the exit. as a result, They simply loaded unsystematic information - and that’s it.

                  There was a lot of information --- but because of its unsystematic nature, this is just bad: most of the students only learned a small part.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 April 1 2016 13: 16
                    0
                    AK64

                    Look.

                    My comments and yours.

                    You constantly say something. And your logic begins with your own statements.

                    That is, starting early with a false statement, you begin to unwind the logic.

                    From the outside it looks smart and weighty. In reality, this is a lie.
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null April 1 2016 00: 58
                0
                Quote: AK64
                May I ask?

                Yeah .. just about the wool - and the opponent flies in an emergency laughing

                Automatic, we did not agree .. you are our educated, professional .. 6 countries ..

                Okay .. like you, here .. a lot .. live quietly love
          3. AK64
            AK64 31 March 2016 20: 27
            -4
            Probably in the world in general there was no education if this is the best


            In-in. About the "best" is a myth.

            School education was aimless and unsystematic: offset by the amount of information.
            University .... My friend, he is a professor in the Volga region, asked a German professor: "Well, I understand doctors, but why do you, Germans, do not recognize Soviet engineering degrees?"
            The German thought and answered: "Our engineer must be able to build a steam locomotive on his own."

            That's all - that's all about Soviet engineers.
            Real - units of percent, and the rest is the shaft and plan.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 April 1 2016 13: 21
              0
              AK64

              Partial lies. But the lies remain unchanged.

              In the USSR there were categories of engineers.
              The more experience the higher the category.

              Sorry personal question. Are you about 25 years old?

              And if you have a lot of modern certificates, then you could only pass this certification "thinking correctly".

              I came across this.
      2. AK64
        AK64 31 March 2016 20: 19
        -1
        Well, for example, there is a problem - for twenty years the disproportion between the humanities and natural sciences has been accumulating. Nobody needs so many humanitarian workers. As one friend of mine says, "there are so many of them that even if you swamp the stoves with them, you can't really attach anywhere else"


        This is not true.
        According to foreign university experience, the issue of humanities refers to technologists and natural scientists somewhere like 10: 1. And it does not bother anyone.

        The question is evident in the low quality of Russian humanitarian education: who teaches and what teaches.

        As an example: the daughter of a friend from the States went to Moscow State University to study economics. I told her right away that the teachers there were incompetent, and that any amerovsky university in economics would give a much better education. Two years later, the girl admitted through her teeth that "he was right."

        And this is Moscow State University.

        This is where the problems come from, and not from the quantity at all.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 31 March 2016 20: 51
        +1
        VP

        I will answer you how to renew the education system and bring it to the needs of the market and the spirit of the times.

        Key phrase. You need to create a system. The system does not tolerate chaos and limits the choice.

        Everything rests on the following. In a strong state, tight wage control is required.

        Wage control takes it out of the realm of material competition. But it creates a market for material assets for competition in the field of entrepreneurs for profit. Profit out of control.

        In order to be able to control wages correctly, a tough, honest state statistical system is needed. Statistics should raise the question of the need for certain specialists.
        Also need a list, classification of specialties.

        If, to withdraw wages from the field of competition, it will reduce the share. enterprise risks.
        On the other hand, statistics will allow the entrepreneur to correctly assess the possibilities of selling products. Avoiding unnecessary transfer of money into goods. Planning opportunity will appear.

        In the field of education. Statistics will give out the required number of specialists in different specialties and regions.

        Wherever the shadow of a finger, everything rests on the withdrawal of wages from competition.
  6. Last paladin
    Last paladin 31 March 2016 08: 07
    +3
    Similar optimization is taking place in science, healthcare and the social sphere. Under the pretext of the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the implementation of the May decrees, modernization and optimization, rates, posts, etc. are simply being reduced.
    Specifically in science, I can say for sure that financing generally was reduced, however, salaries in the best case, financing increased by 10%. Research institutes are required to comply with the May decrees and increase the average salary of scientists to 90% of the region’s average by the end of the year (for example, in Moscow, the average according to various estimates is from 40 to 000, and the salaries at the institutes are different at the rates of scientists levels mainly from 60 to 000).
  7. Million
    Million 31 March 2016 08: 19
    +5
    Recently I talked with one 21-year-old extramural student. He doesn’t even go to school. He pays money and that's it! Apparently, this state of affairs in the field of education is beneficial for the state or its individual ministers.
    PS. But Putin probably doesn’t know anything! Or he would have shown them !!!
    1. avt
      avt 31 March 2016 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Million
      PS. But Putin probably doesn’t know anything! Or he would have shown them !!!

      The creator of this system, Fursenko, who was the minister of image, is now an adviser to the GDP .... Probably deceiving him ... wassat
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 31 March 2016 08: 26
    +3
    The problem exists, no doubt.
    Commercial universities have bred for profit, not for better education. In them, other students change money for tests and exams. Then receive diplomas of teachers and doctors. Does society need this?
    But the educational institutions that the country needs are also falling into the wave of modernization of education. There are many of them. As a result, the country is doing more harm than good.
    1. VP
      VP 31 March 2016 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      But the educational institutions that the country needs are also falling into the wave of modernization of education.

      Which for example ?
      As far as I know, to close even a frankly nonsense university is a difficult and tedious, long-term business. There is one fresh example before my eyes ...
      And what are the necessary universities to close?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 March 2016 10: 32
      -1
      Rather than doctors and teachers, but lawyers. economists, designers, PR specialists, etc.
  9. krops777
    krops777 31 March 2016 08: 27
    +4
    Our country has not been lucky for the ministers of education for a quarter of a century.


    As the ministers of economics, social development, health, finance, culture and sports are unlucky, it’s time for Putin to do something with this rabble.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 31 March 2016 10: 49
      +2
      Quote: krops777
      As the ministers of economics, social development, health, finance, culture and sports are unlucky, it’s time for Putin to do something with this rabble.

      Attention! All high-ranking officials are approved by the same person who is at the top of the vertical of power, who claims, then agrees with their candidacy, each candidate pursues a policy of the state level in its area, a step away from the "party line" is punishable by excommunication, for example Luzhkov and Surkov at one time, this entire vertical of power pursues a single, coordinated policy, the priority of which is the interests of big business, without the money of which this whole system will collapse, then this system, the foundation of which is money, was shown on the example of last year, when as a result the fall in oil prices all skewed and depreciated twice the national currency. Summary: it is pointless to separate a person at the top of the vertical of power he has built from the vertical of power itself and wait for him to start destroying it in the same way
  10. 31rus2
    31rus2 31 March 2016 08: 34
    +1
    Dear, from your and my opinion nothing will change, take the same EG, everything is as it is, for optimization, not only higher educational institutions are closed, but also ordinary schools located in remote places, why bother with infrastructure ( food delivery, Internet, inventory, etc.), it is better to close, in addition, parents and children do not have any alternative, this applies to higher education, where can a young person go?
  11. darksoul
    darksoul 31 March 2016 08: 40
    +1
    Say what you like, and Soviet education is power, it seems to me that over time the whole new generation is a little dumber than the predecessors ... I finished the university lucky ..... the next shift already introduced cormorants and masters .. I really did not want to be called that
  12. VP
    VP 31 March 2016 09: 04
    0
    Quote: 31rus2
    this also applies to higher education, where should a young man go?

    What's the problem ?
    It is full of really good ones, even among regional universities, higher educational institutions, with diplomas of which you can get a job even with us even abroad.
    If you chose some "Uryupinsk Humanitarian University of Economics, Law, International Relations, Public Administration and Business" well then, oh, then no one will need any in Uryupinsk itself.
  13. hartlend
    hartlend 31 March 2016 09: 11
    +8
    The article focuses on the implications of redundancies for faculty members. But these are only consequences, the problem cannot be solved if the causes are not eliminated. Looking at the long term, education is simplified, costs are reduced, and teachers are cut. As a result, we have a stupidity of the population with the subsequent loss of statehood. For example, today a bachelor's degree in terms of knowledge is lower than a graduate of a Soviet technical school, will soon be at the level of a Soviet art student, and this is not the limit. Then draw analogies yourself. Science is held in high esteem by the leadership, because it "gives out a teaspoon per hour" discoveries and inventions for the defense industry. All other discoveries are hushed up and inhibited. The mafia is so strong in science that when our liberal minister Livanov tried to pinch them, he quickly got in the teeth and quieted down. Who is reforming science and education and why? That is the question and how to solve it. I think that one cannot do without changing the entire concept of government. Of course, nothing will change for sure.
  14. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 31 March 2016 09: 26
    +7
    What does unemployed youth mean? I didn’t enter a university .. go to a technical school ... locksmith ... you want to live .. be able to move around. Tired of these economists and lawyers ... every 50m they sit. And the teaching staff? Let me give you one example .... we had a teacher ... Honored. 20 years worked ... but the level ... hmm ... high school maximum. I had to do it myself .. who wanted to. Also leave these?
    The university should prepare professionals .. or in general it should not be. So it is with teachers. Especially with some professors (not all .. but there are some) ... who only get paid ... and students see a maximum of once every six months.
    He also writes ... no need to close provincial universities .. ped .. honey .. and so on. Excuse me, if they make bad graduates ... what benefits do they bring? Stupidly fill the bid in schools .. hospitals? And where do we go with this approach? With ignorant teachers ... and crooked doctors?
  15. rusmat73
    rusmat73 31 March 2016 09: 30
    +3
    In addition to branches, private universities are being reduced, where there are technical biases ...
    A simple solution of the Aglosakians: only the rich have the highest in England, the rest do not need it - for them, only work and consumption .... and in our country we decided to go the way of the Aglosak ... request
    we do not have enough workers - the result of vocational schools went to colleges and technical schools - and the training system has become even worse - pay - take crusts - and go ... what
    from industrial cities with the most powerful vocational education (from vocational schools to universities), the result is deplorable: neither proper education, nor manufacturing enterprises, cities are stagnating, people are leaving, or, more simply, they are fleeing from their native lands .... my personal opinion. (although with the advent of GDP the process in this issue began to improve, but the results, if there is no stronger will of the GDP, I'm afraid our children may not see). hi
  16. VP
    VP 31 March 2016 09: 47
    +3
    Quote: hartlend
    As a result, we have a stupidity of the population with the subsequent loss of statehood. For example, already today a bachelor in knowledge is lower than a graduate of the Soviet technical school, will soon be at the level of the Soviet teacher and this is not the limit.

    This is an oversupply problem and not a disadvantage.
    How many university students in the USSR graduated in your city, and how many now?
    Previously, really trained fell into universities. Now it’s more difficult not to get into the university than to get there - the sets have expanded greatly (and how, the more budget places the more universities receive money from the ministry), the darkness of commercial places and commercial universities, the darkness of different branches and affiliates.
    To enter - the main thing is not to overwhelm graduation graduations for a deuce, and there will always be a place in any one anyway. Even frank and hopeless Threes come in.
    Such Mitrofanushka is exhausted for several years, will get some piece of paper - meet the native land of the specialist.
    In fairness - many universities give really strong specialists. But such against the general background ...
    It is necessary to tighten the requirements for universities and ruthlessly disperse many.
    But then, accusations of an attempt on the future of our youth will be trampled on all sides.
    Although what is the future of the unlearned tyap-blunder in a sharashkin office ...

    There is still a way out - to force the universities to set the lower ballroom limit for subjects upon admission and to gradually increase it.
    Suppose you have less than 50 points in mathematics - they won’t even take it on a paid basis.
    The Ministry of Education began to introduce such a system, but so far only for leading universities, it does not even risk extending to ordinary ones - they are stammered and stunned with ultrasound by "experts" of various kinds.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 March 2016 10: 34
      0
      Minimum points are still there, and they apply equally to paid education.
  17. dobrovic
    dobrovic 31 March 2016 10: 17
    +5
    There is a serious problem with education, and not only with higher education. Does it depend on the number of universities? or the number of teachers? In part, yes. But much more on the quality of the teaching staff and on their ability to educate and educate.
    I see the following main problems:
    1. Aging of high-quality teaching staff: good professors are either retired or continue to do what they love, as long as health, as they say, allows. Younger personnel, for the most part, are mediocre and / or do not care about the results. More precisely, it’s not entirely true, they have parameters for evaluating results (all kinds of KPI, etc.) that are shifted from training, interest and maintaining interest, to the side to write a report and run home. And it’s not their fault, but the fault at the Ministry of Education, which encourages, let’s say more, demands from teachers such a model of behavior
    2. This is essentially problem 2: a quality teaching staff does not have the time and energy to educate and educate: it takes all the time to fill out reports. Those who are older do not want to do this "crap" and retire. And who is younger fills out pieces of paper, just to get rid of them and again and again ...

    One thing is not clear: it is necessary to optimize when it’s bad, did we have to optimize what for? one of the strongest and most advanced education systems was ... wanted to save money? and who, forgive them then will earn? FRAMES RESOLVE EVERYTHING!
  18. VP
    VP 31 March 2016 10: 37
    +6
    Quote: dobrovic
    did we need to optimize? one of the strongest and most advanced education systems was ... wanted to save money? and who, forgive them then will earn?

    The roots of the situation grow from the 90s
    Then, after the collapse of the industry, it was announced that
    1. Our education is worse, so we need to change it according to the Western model
    2. We don't need so many engineers, we still have a lot of "extra" factories. But we have a shortage of lawyers-economists-managers, a deficit by Western standards.
    3. A bunch of universities worked for us. Universities teach, research institutes are engaged in science. Research institutes dispersed, in universities they did not really do science, since this process in universities was not really set up or commercialized, and the state allocated money for scientific research very reluctantly.
    4. It was stated that competition in education is required. The result - commercial universities like mushrooms on a stump, the entrance criteria for admission dropped significantly.
    5. There was a terror of various "consultants" who made money on education by pushing their "conclusions and recommendations for change and development" through the ministries and the leadership of universities, pure tracing from the United States.
    1. dobrovic
      dobrovic 31 March 2016 10: 47
      +1
      Yes, unfortunately, this was announced so, but in fact lies from the first to the last paragraph. Today, everyone already understands this. Why do not change in the ass? Or did you find money to destroy it, but no longer to create it? After all, there will be no future if you do not change the base ...
  19. VP
    VP 31 March 2016 10: 42
    +2
    Quote: Sergej1972
    Minimum points are still there, and they apply equally to paid education.

    Not everywhere.
    As an example: a friend’s son stuck in a provincial university. He is provincial, in the sense of not Moscow, but rather strong, is in the top ten. Broke off - for one of the items he had 48 instead of the required minimum 50.
    Then he took his clothes and entered a Moscow university for the same specialty, there they are not so "fastidious" and the ministry did not let them down such a standard, since it is not included in the 5-100 program, which the ministry carefully grazes. Although the university seems to have a history, once, in Soviet times, it was well known.
  20. VP
    VP 31 March 2016 10: 52
    0
    Quote: dobrovic
    Why do not change in the ass?

    This is not easy to do - the system has already developed, the changes that have taken shape are always difficult.
    For Livanov not to be kicked and kicked in the case, but in my opinion, he, among other things, really does a lot of the right things, unlike the Fursenoks. Although he also has enough tarkans.
  21. Nitarius
    Nitarius 31 March 2016 10: 54
    +1
    1) Higher education is NECESSARY .. really necessary!
    2) BUT and technical schools and TPT edge as necessary!
    ъ
    3) perhaps the most important .. INSTITUTES OF UNDERSTANDING THERE are so many now .. then LEGAL AND STILL ANYTHING .. Generally a LOT, REALLY WHERE ANYTHING AND UNDERSTANDABLE!
    FILTER REALLY NECESSARY .. BUT NOT LIKE LIBERALS! them to the wall!
  22. beer-youk
    beer-youk 31 March 2016 11: 01
    +1
    Quote: Million
    Recently I talked with one 21-year-old extramural student. He doesn’t even go to school. He will pay money and that's it!


    The daughter of my friend, after the 2nd year of the budget day study, switched to correspondence. To the question: "Why?" answered: "What is the point of enrolling in the daytime if there are 4-6 hours a week and only lectures? It is better to work in a similar specialty, but you still have to comprehend the theory on your own!" By the way, the girl is from a wealthy family and really strives to gain knowledge.
    1. VP
      VP 31 March 2016 11: 10
      +1
      If 4-6 hours a week means a clear and wild non-observance of the federal standard, you will soon hear "the guard, the deserved university offends, there are honored professors")
  23. Arkady Kakiy
    Arkady Kakiy 31 March 2016 11: 17
    0
    I am still for a higher technical education.
    Let the youth write an application and a job application at least competently.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 31 March 2016 11: 30
    +2
    It looks like a normal showdown, a struggle for a place in the sun.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 31 March 2016 13: 38
      +2
      That's exactly what, the new rector accelerates the team of the old rector, a well-known story, why shout about it all over the country?
      Frankly speaking, it is high time for the reduction of universities. Especially humane ones were bred as uncut dogs. You say there are not enough teachers in the village? Do you know how many certified teachers are employed by Euroset and hypermarkets as sellers every year? They wanted to pass a law on working 3-5 years for young specialists. That would solve the problem. I'm not even talking about any lawyers-economists. Universities should be reduced, and on their basis technical schools should be opened, and even better - pheasants, especially since many universities have a base worthy only of primary vocational education. At the same time, there will be more workers, otherwise as soon as you leave the village in the morning, some "guest workers" go to work at construction.
      Regarding the competition for the filling of teaching posts, I smiled. It may be that there is an opportunity to hold a competition at MGIMO, but in the provinces the salaries of teachers are such that there is no competition, here the guard is screaming from a lack of personnel. After all, some old people work. In a university, no matter where it goes, at least one walker crawls through one insanity, and in a techie, in general, horror is wild.
      By the way, I like the "abbreviations" of universities. The Pedagogical Institute in Khabarovsk (FESGU) was reduced as ineffective. The university became smaller, and the number of students, teachers, academic buildings, etc. has not decreased. They simply joined PNU, as they taught, and they are teaching future Euroset sellers.
  25. iouris
    iouris 31 March 2016 13: 28
    +1
    In demography, failure. Universities and professors are very different.
    Curricula do not meet the needs of economic development. In what direction this development is going, the authorities cannot clearly state. Privatization is in the economy, so for twenty-five years no one has purposefully trained professors and candidates of sciences.
    In the USSR, the branch minister was responsible for the quality of training, and now who? One ministry remains: economics and trade.
  26. phantom
    phantom 31 March 2016 14: 20
    +2
    Their cause, allegedly, is the identified low quality of education provided in the branches.

    Any doubts about that?
    It is foolish to make excessive demands on teachers and students of provincial pedagogical, technical, medical, agronomic and other universities.

    And it's not silly to be afraid to use free medical services and send children to regular schools. Or do you give a damn about the provincial "plebeians"?
    Or maybe jobs are created that can attract a large number of young people who used to go to universities?

    It’s a great idea to age young people at universities, after which they receive diplomas that nobody needs and go to loaders.
    The reduction in the number of universities and the closely related “optimizations” of the faculty entail a rather large number of risks for the Russian state.

    This is probably one of the reasons why it has not been done so far.
    But can we talk about increasing the knowledge potential of society if higher education institutions and teaching staff are reduced in the country?

    I think it’s possible, because it’s no secret to anyone that today it is not difficult to get a higher education. And is this not the reason that his average level is so lame in the absence of competition? In general, it seems to me that the reforms to optimize and reform both the Army and Education as a whole are correct. However, one should not be surprised that they are conducted through one place and not very often through the head
  27. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 31 March 2016 15: 58
    +3
    In our city, at every step, there are "universities" and all "Moscow" and all "presidential" ones. From the premises, the main office and cash desk. There is a hut next to my house, there is a wedding salon, and on the other side there is a banner "Presidential University of Management and Law". I looked at 2GIS, so within walking distance, 4 more in school buildings. It is necessary to certify the graduates of such, and all the rest, universities and, based on its results, cover such offices, and other universities as well. Because I ran into young engineers at work who do not know the elementary things.
  28. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 31 March 2016 19: 23
    +1
    order needs to be put in place and planted, otherwise students openly brag about who gave what teacher, to get a test or an exam, but without putting things in order, everything is empty talk !!!
  29. tank64rus
    tank64rus 31 March 2016 19: 38
    0
    If the "reform" of education is not pure sabotage, then what is sabotage. And what about the low level of training of teachers in the provincial university. An acquaintance of mine teaches in England. Comes talking about science over a glass of tea. I do not see his overwhelming intellectual superiority. This is all from the liberals of the 90s rushing. How muddied. that our science is flawed, associate professors and professors are a lower race in comparison with the intelligentsia of the West, and they are rushing. By the way, the Americans copied one invention from me. So throw out all this g..o that the liberals and their curators dragged in and return education in the interests of Russia and the People.
  30. Cat man null
    Cat man null April 1 2016 01: 08
    0
    Quote: AK64
    Surprisingly naive Soviet people: for some reason they think that they are very complex and interesting to someone ....

    But in reality - the simplest.

    He brought in an hour

    Well done! Take a pie from the shelf, and get them a clove fellow

    Colleagues, boyfriend, he doesn’t like everything Soviet .. and I won’t get it anymore .. so insulting .. so I wanted to teach a guy to love his homeland sad
  31. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 April 1 2016 19: 25
    0
    Quote: AK64
    So: in Europe, foreign languages ​​are also taught in schools, and sometimes two at a time. And for some reason graduates are able to communicate in these languages. Not "writing novels", but at least they can come to an agreement with the seller and the taxi driver.
    Well, in a number of modern schools, they nevertheless brought the level of teaching 1-2 foreign languages ​​to good - graduates enter foreign languages ​​without question, and the rest simply go through life with a good level of language. But such schools are rare.

    Quote: AK64
    a person who lived at the expense of the Russian people, receiving special services (special schools, special supplies of post cities) tells Russians about Russian life: "how was there no meat? but you go into a store and buy it!" - and only then it turns out that the shop with meat was in the post office, behind the wire.

    Unfortunately, this is a very common fact. But at the same time, many forget that socialism was built only in Moscow and a number of closed entities.