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Is there a universal style?

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Is there a universal style?Is there a martial art / hand-to-hand style that would fit everyone and always and be comprehensive?


In one of the programs devoted to hand-to-hand fighting, the guest was the famous traveler Vitaly Sundakov. He was supposed to talk about the Slavic military tradition. Vitaly shared his personal experience - he studied with a man, the son of a diplomat, who went to different Eastern schools in Soviet times, and, having typed in from here, from here, he created his own style. We’ll talk about these personal styles later.

The point here is that later, in his trips to the countries of the world, Vitali, according to him, always tried to learn something from local craftsmen. And the local military traditions disappointed him in many ways - either the technique was ineffective or Vitali defeated them. Why did it happen?

Here I want to turn to one point in stories - The resettlement of the Don Cossacks in the Caucasus. At first, the Cossacks were bad. The local mountaineers were dismissive of their fighting qualities, and the Cossacks were teased with "reed" because of their long peaks. Later, however, the situation changed - but that's another story. This is about something else now - how did it happen that the Don Cossacks, the steppe knights known all over Europe, initially showed themselves badly in the mountains? The answer lies in the question itself.

Because the Don Cossacks were formed as river and steppe warriors. And in their midst they were the best, as they fully adapted to it. But the mountains were a new place to get used to. It took time. And as soon as that time passed, the situation changed. The Cossacks under the leadership of Baklanov, Sass and other military leaders began to win.

By the way, the Cossacks easily borrowed a lot from local peoples - and not only clothes, but even a way of life in some ways, apparently realizing that all this was created for local conditions, and that means that it is best suited for living here.

And yet - there is a version that the Japanese culture of the samurai arose as a result of borrowing the military culture of the Ainu people, who in their time oppressed the ancestors of the Japanese. Judging that the enemy is best beat him weapons, the Japanese formed in their midst samurai who eventually won the Aborigines. It is believed that even anthropologically, representatives of the highest samurai caste are different from the rest of the Japanese.

Therefore, it is impossible to judge any local tradition without taking into account the place and time for which it was created. What is good in one country may be ineffective in another. What was good at one time might look ridiculous at another (although this is unwise). Do not think that other people who once lived were uneducated and stupid. Their survival systems worked in their environment and were excellent at one time - why they came to us.

This also applies to armor - in one locality they were light (if the enemy was lightly armed cavalry), in the other it could be super heavy armor (if the enemy was a western knight).

For example, in Central Asia there was once such a form of practice - two horsemen dressed in thick, quilted robes came together and tried to throw off each other with spears of arms (without tips). A kind of sparring, mild form of combat. Fighting thing? Yes. Useful for melee? Sure. But could a master in such fights, say, beat a boxer in the ring, or gop-stoppers on the street? Hardly. But does this mean that his training system is bad? No - it is simply designed for its time and relevant conditions. In the same way, a boxer, if he had gotten into the 17 century, he would have instantly become the victim of such a master - in a duel on horses.

Take a closer example. As you know, Japanese styles originate in the Chinese systems, and they consider the Indian monk Bodhidharma to be the ancestor. It turns out that after all, martial arts appeared in India.

Among the Indian styles known so-called kalari-payattu. One of the characteristic features of this direction are low-level movements in a squat. Moreover, it is a sharp move. Sharpness is produced by training. Due to such movements, a fighter can become invisible to the enemy for some moments - with a fatal outcome for the latter. This is due to the fact that the area of ​​our review is limited not only on the sides, but also on the top and bottom. Incidentally, this is the basis for hitting the shin from close range, or uppercuts - by the way, when striking them, you need to look at the wrong place where you strike, since the opponent can automatically shift his gaze there and the blow will not be invisible; need to look at the opponent. A person may simply not see the blow. And here the fighter becomes invisible for some moments. So - when kalari-payattu began to be studied in Russia today, it turned out that this style does not fit. In order to get the same sharp movements as the Indian fighters need a long warm-up. That negates the usefulness of this style on the street - for obvious reasons. Why is this happening? Go ahead.

Most Russian yogis (not self-taught, but instructors who travel to non-pop places in India) cannot boast with healthy knees. Paradoxically, but the fact is that people who teach others how to be healthy have their own health problems. The common problem of yogis is the "knee-joints" killed in the trash. Because of the constant "lotus posture". What is the matter? After all, the Indians are sitting like that for years under a palm tree, meditating! Maybe yoga is a bad thing? Not. Maybe they study badly? Also not, and, this problem is ubiquitous.

And it's in the climate. The hot, humid climate of India itself softens the ligaments and allows a person to always be "stretched". Our harsh northern climate is a different matter. Here for stretching can not do without warming up. Misunderstanding that the tradition of one people, developed in a hot, humid climate, will not work as effectively in a different climate environment and leads to injuries and frustration. Road spoon for dinner! - as the saying goes. Everything is good in its time and place.

By the way, the climate also affects the mentality - in the northern countries one must move in order to find food and not freeze. In the south you can be more sluggish and relaxed.

And here is the answer to the question - is it possible the existence of some kind of universal style? Of course not. For each environment (country, climatic conditions, opportunities) some local, local style is the best. Traditional combat systems were not universal. They worked perfectly in their region and that was enough. Nobody wanted to develop something further, “for the love of art” - because if a hammer perfectly nails nails and an ax cuts trees, then why improve them? From the good of good not looking. Time, people of past generations knew what to spend.

It should be borne in mind that all people are different, and that which is suitable for one may not fit the other at all.

General principles can be, and basic provisions. At the same time it will be full of subsystems - also working on a geographical and personal basis. In the armies of the world, specialists were taught according to goals and objectives, and not a little bit of everything. For example, a saboteur was given one preparation, the guard - another. It seems logical and even banal. But why then do people think that in the field of civil self-defense (and in fact civilians are doing this for the most part) everything is different?

It is necessary to proceed from the fact that you need. If you often return home “by train” late in the evening, you need to build situational trainings according to this situation. If you drive a car, you need to be able to defend yourself in a car, etc.

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  1. Adik89
    Adik89 31 March 2016 07: 51
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    Boxing, wrestling and all types of martial arts in which international championships take place.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 31 March 2016 10: 51
      +3
      Meaning - combat skill must correspond to the prevailing external conditions. The author is "Captain Obvious"!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 31 March 2016 11: 03
        +2
        Quote: marlin1203
        Meaning - combat skill must correspond to the prevailing external conditions. The author is "Captain Obvious"!

        Not so "obvious" 8)))

        For fun, type in Yandex "capoeira Moscow training" 8)))
      2. Old warrior
        Old warrior 31 March 2016 22: 02
        +1
        Rather, Corporal Banality.
      3. The comment was deleted.
  2. Kenneth
    Kenneth 31 March 2016 08: 21
    +5
    Better no karate than two TT in your pocket
  3. Riv
    Riv 31 March 2016 08: 27
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    What kind of nonsense? The Japanese "formed the samurai" - and you want it, but you can't write it clumsily. Didenko - is this not the same writer in the genre of dull fantasy?
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 31 March 2016 08: 42
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      No. This one writes books on the topic of the article. Already wrote two
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 31 March 2016 08: 42
      +1
      No. This one writes books on the topic of the article. Already wrote two
      1. Riv
        Riv 31 March 2016 10: 31
        -1
        AS??? IS IT STILL AND BOOKS THE SAME WRITES?

        x_x
    3. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 31 March 2016 10: 53
      +2
      According to the text - "formed", but then "anthropologically representatives of the highest caste of samurai differ from the rest of the Japanese." WELL? Didn't the analytics go further?
      Samurai are not native Japanese, but conquerors. What kind of people were the conquerors - there are many versions.
      The samurai took away all weapons from the defeated, even knives - one knife per village was chained on the central platform and a local sentry was assigned to it. Therefore, to get rid of the samurai yoke, the people spread the Okinawan karate - "empty hand / fist", and the winners practiced ken-do and ju-jutsu (the ability to knock down a warrior in armor).
      1. Riv
        Riv 31 March 2016 13: 58
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        Oh mine gott! What can’t you read on the topwar. Samurai yoke ... Well, if the samurai for Japan are conquerors, then Izanaki and Izanami are Kashchei the Immortal and Baba Yaga.
  4. Lanista
    Lanista 31 March 2016 11: 14
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    It is not only a matter of climate, but also of a much more obvious thing - genetically determined features of the constitutional structure of the body of representatives of various ethnic groups.
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 31 March 2016 12: 10
      +3
      Which follows from the fact that this ethnos eats and from its way of life.
  5. partizan86
    partizan86 31 March 2016 14: 56
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    If there was an ideal form of martial arts, it would remain the only one. I don’t remember who said it.
  6. unknown
    unknown 31 March 2016 15: 56
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    [quote = Kostoprav] According to the text - "formed", but then "anthropologically, representatives of the highest caste of samurai differ from the rest of the Japanese." WELL? Didn't the analytics go further?
    Samurai are not native Japanese, but conquerors. What kind of people were the conquerors - there are many versions.

    Yes, one version is there. Anthropologically, samurai are representatives of the white race.
    Meiji revolution is the second half of the 19th century. The photo has already appeared. Photographic materials have been preserved, including photos of the latest samurai.
    Apparently, the wind that allowed the Tarkhtar Magolas of Khubilai to land and capture the country of Nipon was not at all divine.
  7. Zymran
    Zymran 31 March 2016 17: 39
    +1
    For example, in Central Asia there was once such a form of practice - two riders, dressed in thick, quilted robes, gathered and tried to throw each other off with shafts of spears (without tips). A kind of sparring, a mild form of battle.


    This game is called Sayys. It was considered a special daredevil to speak in battles stripped to the waist.
  8. yehat
    yehat 31 March 2016 19: 06
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    I tend to practice martial arts like in china. There, many complete styles are divided into "sections". Learn what you need more. Moreover, some sections migrate between different styles almost without changing, since it is a unified complex of "techniques" and tactical decisions, worked out by generations.
    Often combine a hodgepodge of different styles to arrange personal accents as you like.
    Do you want to learn self-defense in cramped conditions? Yes please! Again, the levels of self-defense are different: break contact, knock on the nose to understand, nail as quickly as possible, create a circular defense, knock everyone down or catch in captures / creases, etc. And where do you make specific decisions - is it important?
    So I study Wing Chun, there is constantly de ja vu - either a tiger style technique, or from Tongbei, there are techniques characteristic of the snake style. There are also "branded" ones that you will not find anywhere else. But it doesn't matter where they come from or where they are often used - the main thing is to make the necessary "set" from them. I doubt boxers think they have a monopoly on uppercut or hook. Just like Jiu Jitsu specialists, they are sure that not only they own creases and grips.
    or take at least taekwondo. It is declared that this style places a great emphasis on footwork. It can be assumed that understanding the work with his feet is worth exploring, but if you carefully study the viet dao, meihua-tsuan or the basics of shaolin-tsuan, there’s another question who has more emphasis.
    Why am I all this: it’s stupid to divide martial arts by style. And there are no dead styles. Everything that is useful accumulates or the style simply disappears. It is this normal state of openness to change that can be called universality. Take Bruce Lee for example.
    He stated that he had created his own style, however, the working methodology and basic principles of the battle remained from his first and main Wing Chun style, he only diversified it a little with other points, and not the fact that it was successful.

    as for the influence of climate - it definitely is, but there is also the fact that many are in a hurry to master complex movements and do not feel the capabilities of their body, which is why they get a bunch of offensive and stupid injuries.
  9. Grif
    Grif 31 March 2016 19: 52
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    You can still recall Valery Kharlampiev, who carefully studied Central Asian martial arts, adapted them to Russian people and created sambo, which later became an Olympic sport. I myself once practiced judo and I remember how my coach spoke respectfully about sambo, appreciating it for its beauty.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 31 March 2016 22: 28
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      By and large, this is a legend. those. he could take something from the Central Asian martial arts, but the main basis is judo. In addition, sambo is not an Olympic kind.
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem April 1 2016 23: 05
        +2
        Judo, SPORT version of jujitsu. Sambo, squeeze and creative processing of many directions. The effectiveness of sambo is confirmed by many people, for example, the same Emelianenko. The fact that Sambo is not an Olympic kind .. most likely it will not become it .. for the Soviet ..)
  10. SIT
    SIT 31 March 2016 23: 22
    +1
    The point here is that later Vitaly, in his trips around the world, according to him, always tried to learn something from local masters. And the local military traditions greatly disappointed him - either the equipment was ineffective, or Vitaly defeated them
    What kind of fights were these, and even with the masters? If the day reached 3 melee, then by the evening in the ranks are only sanitary losses. Not a single one of those who can stand on their feet. The rest are either heavy or just a load of 200. Mentioned Vitaly, if he really figured out the effectiveness of the technique of hand-to-hand combat, he would certainly be disabled at the best moment. If this is not a special operation to seize the tongue, but complete failure in the form of hand-to-hand combat, then the battle is only for destruction. Behind either their own or corpses. He tested such effectiveness? Well then, he’s kind of spellbound, if he’s alive after that. If you didn’t stand near the edge when either you or you, then you don’t need to draw conclusions about effectiveness because you simply don’t know what you're talking about.
  11. tundra
    tundra April 1 2016 01: 52
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    The best method of hand-to-hand combat is a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
  12. tundra
    tundra April 1 2016 01: 57
    +1
    I would have looked at a meditating yoga, in December in the taiga under the tree.
    He would have had problems not only with his knees laughing
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 1 2016 02: 09
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      Quote: tundra
      I would have looked at a meditating yoga, in December in the taiga under the tree

      I imagined a picture .. twisted before my eyes .. woke up .. under the table on the balcony with a cigarette .. rzhunimagu ..

      Thanks for the ... image good
      1. Riv
        Riv April 1 2016 10: 21
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        No matter how funny it sounds, the image has a right to exist. The fact is that yoga is not a sport or gymnastics "for health." This is a way of austerity. Moreover, in India, asceticism has a very meaningful meaning: it helps to accumulate spiritual merit (tapas) for a better rebirth.

        In general, the concept of tapas does not come down to reincarnation. Having great spiritual merits, you can influence reality by literally changing the world of your own free will. You can drink the river, or make the mountain stop growing, or turn God into a worm. Indra was so unlucky as much twice, it was not fucking annoying the holy hermits.

        The example of Mahatma Gandhi is illustrative. Imagine: India was a colony for three hundred years. Rebellions, riots - they were all choked with blood. And suddenly a little brahmana appears, says, "I want India to become independent!" - and everything becomes according to his word. After that, it is useless for a believing Hindu to prove the opposite. He has before his eyes an example of how the desire of one person changes the world. After that, Gandhi was named Mahatma. Now he could afford to ride in third-class carriages, or cuddle with untouchables. He can. He is above the relationship between the varnas. If desired, he can bless the marriage of a brahmana and a pariah - and society will agree with this.

        And our yogis ... well this is of course a laugh.