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Media: Kazakh military installed Turkish combat module on T-72

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The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan has an impressive park tanks T-72 and T-72B, which, according to the military, already do not meet modern requirements. The main disadvantage is the lack of a fire control system equipped with a thermal imager, as well as a remote combat module, in the article, published on the website Messenger of Mordovia.


Media: Kazakh military installed Turkish combat module on T-72


“And so, on the forum of the site“ Otvaga2004 ”an image of a T-72B tank model 1988 of the year, armed with a remote-controlled combat module, appeared. It is also seen that there is a multi-channel gunner-operator sight on this combat vehicle, ”writes the author of the article, Lev Romanov.

In his opinion, “a stabilized combat module mounted on a tank with an NSNT 12,7-mm machine gun is very similar to the product of the development and production of the Turkish company ASELSAN, which opened a defense enterprise in the territory of Kazakhstan engaged in the production of thermal imagers and sights”.

A similar product was demonstrated last year at the exhibition “Russia Arms EXPO 2015” in Nizhny Tagil, Romanov said.

According to him, "this modernization, of course, somewhat improved the characteristics of the tank," but it is not complex, because "Protection and mobility remained at the same level."



“In addition, the installation of the combat module on the left side of the tower itself implies that the commander will have significant dead zones for observation and shelling. In combat conditions, this can play a negative role, ”the article says.

Earlier, Romanov writes, Kazakhstani specialists "repeatedly tried to modernize tanks with the help of Israelis, Turks and Ukrainians, but the matter did not move further than the creation of prototypes."

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  1. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 30 March 2016 13: 22
    +8
    Turks climb and climb everywhere. It would be necessary to cut them somehow, from which they soon will fit into Belarus.
    1. kamski
      kamski 30 March 2016 14: 26
      +9
      For a long time it was necessary to make ourselves Kazakhs ourselves and ordered a normal device. I watched in YouTube a Syrian tankman was just talking about this module that it is simply necessary
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 30 March 2016 15: 02
        .
        Quote: kamski
        For a long time it was necessary to make ourselves Kazakhs ourselves and ordered a normal device. I watched in YouTube a Syrian tankman was just talking about this module that it is simply necessary

        I apologize to ask, are you by any chance the daughter of a Syrian tankman?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 30 March 2016 15: 18
          +15
          Quote: ydjin
          I apologize to ask, are you by any chance the daughter of a Syrian tankman?

          - and where does it? The video really was, the Syrian really complained that in urban conditions you won’t get out of the tower without a remote module ... He complained a lot about the T-72, not only the lack of this module, but also on the rubber side screens in urban areas conditions constantly breaks, and the wiring from the outside, under a thin layer of metal, which is constantly damaged by bullets. In general, it’s all about the case, the tankman is really fighting. Another thing is that eliminating all this on the T-72 is easier to create a new tank. The Russians, having their own tank building, do just that. And what do we Kazakhs do? A bunch of tanks that are quite on the move, but no one can offer sensible modernization - where either the price goes off scale, it is better to secretly sell Kim T-72 to Kim Than Un and buy the latest modification of the T-90 from the Russians, or lame modernization that closes some narrow aspect of the problems. Well, like this one, like in Sabzh. And in terms of price-quality ratio, they have not yet found anything sensible, no one has proposed. That is why UVZ does not show activity? Do not forget that Kazakhstan is a buffer zone in the event of the invasion of which enemies from the south - from the Taliban of Afghanistan to the very same Ishilovites and others.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 30 March 2016 16: 35
            +1
            Che, there are a lot of statements from the Kazakhs lately at the forum, like this "we are a buffer zone, in which case Kazakhstan will defend Russia, we are allies, etc., etc." It is very similar to the fact that Ukraine is scratching Europe "we are defending Europe from the Russians, if if not us, the Russians would have already captured you, give money, etc. and etc. "Do not find similarities, dear Kazakhs, is there too much pathos in your speeches? I am absolutely sure that half of Kazakhstan in case of turmoil will instantly be in Russia!"
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 30 March 2016 17: 59
              +10
              Igor (igorka357), good evening! Both the Russian Federation, the Republic of Kazakhstan, and many others would like to trade on equal terms with the EU; but not allowed. We, unlike that Ukraine, have no choice: Central Asia (Uzbeks) do not want to integrate, with China ..., only Russia remains.
              If you look at the map, it is obvious that we are between Central Asia and the Russian Federation. And if we talk about the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then it is better equipped than any other in Central Asia. And unlike many of our fraternal republics, Kazakhstan does not walk with outstretched hands and did not hang on anyone's neck. There were no revolutions and a warrior. I am sure that in cases of turmoil, many will send their relatives to the Russian Federation - just like during the Second World War, Soviet people were evacuated to Kazakhstan and Central Asia. For the same Kyrgyzstan, we play the same role as Russia for Belarusians.
              We, Kazakhstanis who are in the subject, are surprised by something else. It took those. docking station and equipment for repairing T-72 at the Semipalatinsk plant. So they kicked us off to Ukraine, they took us to Kharkov. There were agreements on transport workers (AN) with you and Ukraine, but I had to buy the C-295 from the EU. Also on the Zenith launch vehicle - this has already been lost for sure. We repaired our Su in Belarus, and our MiG in Ukraine; but not in the Russian Federation. There are agreements with UVZ to upgrade the T-72 to the level of the T-90 and BMPT with us. Or the Ka-226, but things are still there (although I suspect that the point is in the T-14 - how will it go into production). That is, you cooperate with Venezuela, India, etc. through the military-industrial complex, but with us somehow "you do not want". So we collect South African armored cars, europ. helicopters, optics with the Turks, or this installation. But you can correctly distribute the small funds that we have for such things. For example, it works out for Kamaz. hi
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 31 March 2016 03: 58
                +1
                The market is respected, the market! Maybe it’s about paying for contracts, maybe you want a lot of discounts .. in short, freebies .. I don’t think that if RK had a good contract, would pay for it .. someone slowed something down .. Who pays the music orders .. who doesn’t pay but is hiding behind speeches like we allies give it this way .. and collaborates with South Africa! Our military structures and corporations are not stupid, yours are cheaper, they don’t want ours ... that's all the problems! Too many and long Russians helped everyone, and then everyone forgave, and how it goes .. so the Russian occupants .. no, I'm sorry, I myself was from Kazakhstan, was born in Alma-Ata .. grew up in the village of Sayak, which is not far from Lake Balkhash .Maybe they would have helped simply, but it’s not clear that you are a mountain over Russia on the political and informational front, it’s such a policy .. we’ll see .. in bilateral relations, of course, the Republic of Kazakhstan swears allegiance to Russia, but on the international scene you don’t really on our side!
      2. Homo
        Homo 30 March 2016 20: 52
        0
        Quote: kamski
        For a long time it was necessary to make us ourselves ...

        What does it mean "to ourselves", whom the Kazakhs asked and did. So they did not contact us.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 30 March 2016 20: 48
      +1
      And why? Because they can! Turkey has a working industry and a non-resource economy. And of course, our lovers "have their own pie alone" in the 90s "threw off the ballast" which suddenly turned out to be almost half of the country, and that's where a vacuum formed ..
  2. Silman1985
    Silman1985 30 March 2016 13: 26
    +6
    It is necessary to impose an embargo on everything Turkish, from cowards to weapons !!!
    1. Dewa1s
      Dewa1s 30 March 2016 14: 01
      +3
      Yeah, and we will witness special potato magic, when in one year you can increase the export to Russia of certain groups of goods subject to this embargo.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 March 2016 14: 55
        +1
        In Russia last year was a record potato crop.
  3. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 30 March 2016 13: 27
    +3
    Sooner or later, one way or another they will come to Russia for help. But Russia will not refuse! hi
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 March 2016 13: 27
    +1
    Turks are an enterprising and hardworking people. This they were not lucky with the ruler. Erdogad came, and a whole nation set up.
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 30 March 2016 13: 32
      +22
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Turks are an enterprising and hardworking people. This they were not lucky with the ruler. Erdogad came, and a whole nation set up.


      working people, do you smile chtoli? they are very pleased with Erdogan, and with what he does, they shout at every corner that they rebuilt Germany after the war)), but Turkey will not be completed at all, everything is limited to the territory of numerous hotels, and there’s srach behind the fence.

      By the way, the scandal with Russian volleyball players once again shows what the Turks are.
    2. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx 30 March 2016 18: 23
      +3
      There are no bad and good peoples in general, of course, people are like a people. They do not like to give bribes to them in Baku, well, I just came across such bosses. While you work everything without problems, but if for some reason left your job, pay the rest of the earned income they are always crushed by a toad (not an isolated example) well, they don’t have a hand that gives bread. Also, those chauvinists, only they have such proverbs, “a Turk has no friend except a Turk” “Allah created his army and called him Turks” and so on. I agree since childhood, child labor in Turkey is developed, almost everyone has been working there since childhood, for sure. Erdogan, what can I say about him, the politician is the favorite of the uneducated part of the population. He always relies on the emotional stratum of the population, whose audacity is above all. he counted the Israelis for Gaza COOL, well, he didn’t apologize for the downed Russian plane, well, he didn’t settle the incident. COOL, the mass in the local teahouse will again scream while drinking tea with lemon. x standards. COOL. Policy is not done, the benefit of Gaza from this no longer, the incident no longer benefits the Turkomans, neither Turkey itself nor Russia. Somehow I think so.
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 30 March 2016 13: 28
    -1
    don’t sew the mare’s tail
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 30 March 2016 13: 30
    +3
    Well it is necessary to try everything, so that later: Eureka! Russia is nearby.
  7. Lanista
    Lanista 30 March 2016 13: 33
    +6
    Who cares who upgrades the tanks of Kazakhstan. The main thing is that they are applied in the right direction.
    We also delivered BMP-3 to the Saudis.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 30 March 2016 13: 46
      +5
      Quote: Lanista
      Who cares who upgrades the tanks of Kazakhstan. The main thing is that they are applied in the right direction.
      But there are some doubts about this. Elbasy Nazarbayev did not recognize either South Ossetia or Crimea, in all matters of sanctions and counter-sanctions - his opinion is different from Russia. And Saudi Arabia does not border Russia.
      1. alpamys
        alpamys 30 March 2016 13: 49
        +5
        Quote: Pushkar
        Quote: Lanista
        Who cares who upgrades the tanks of Kazakhstan. The main thing is that they are applied in the right direction.
        But there are some doubts about this. Elbasy Nazarbayev did not recognize either South Ossetia or Crimea, in all matters of sanctions and counter-sanctions - his opinion is different from Russia. And Saudi Arabia does not border Russia.

        with elbasoy need to keep an eye out.
      2. Kadex
        Kadex 30 March 2016 18: 20
        +6
        Quote: Pushkar
        Elbasy Nazarbayev did not recognize either South Ossetia or Crimea, in all matters of sanctions and counter-sanctions - his opinion is different from Russia

        Why should unilateral measures have a common opinion?
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  8. Koresh
    Koresh 30 March 2016 13: 37
    +3
    It’s high time to put such modules on tanks, otherwise the machine gun on tanks is not used due to the frequent defeat of fighters behind the gun. I do not understand why in Russia during the modernization of the T-72 do not use such modules?
  9. newcomer
    newcomer 30 March 2016 13: 38
    +2
    lanista, what's the difference? it is money to our gunsmiths, further components.
  10. 8140
    8140 30 March 2016 13: 45
    +3
    Greetings (shame) to UVZ and the Russian Defense Ministry.
    The remote modules in our USSR were developed and run on the t-55.
    For their own it is not necessary. Still give birth
    1. Dewa1s
      Dewa1s 30 March 2016 14: 03
      -7
      and where does the Kazakh cockroaches in their heads to UVZ and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 30 March 2016 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Dewa1s
        and where does the Kazakh cockroaches in their heads to UVZ and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

        At the same time - the polymers were drained - Putin leaked - why the Foreign Ministry is silent, etc. (these are not my comments fellow ).
        1. 8140
          8140 31 March 2016 01: 43
          0
          Plus from me) there will be no movement without criticism) but about leaked ... I didn’t) I have my own opinion and basically all the negative is connected with the lack of a system in public administration and nepotism, there is a separate conversation about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs;) but about Ukraine it’s real weak position and not smart decisions ... Time goes on, young people are taught nationalism and against us ... It is hard to imagine a double understanding here, agree.
  11. hobot
    hobot 30 March 2016 14: 05
    0
    Enough to play big politics - it’s time to unite all the republics into one country, and let those who don’t want to rebuild the borders themselves. And northern Kazakhstan since the time of Ermak was Russian. Khrushchev did more against Russia than Gorbachev and Yeltsin did.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 30 March 2016 15: 51
      +7
      Quote: hobot
      Stop playing big politics - it's time to unite all the republics in one country
      - offer by force? Or cultural expansion? And what is the idea of ​​a new world order? It seems that it used to be, and it seems that they even brought it to life, they even do it, with some success. But then they refused something ... But what was the idea? Sensible? Or do you come to us without an idea, and so - unite by force, make you forget your language and all learn Russian? Well, how do you understand your wish? Is this just an underlying desire? Or is there something basic that could be combined?
      And as for northern Kazakhstan, there were times before Yermak, and they are as legitimate as the times after Yermak, so the moment - and whether Yermak was right, is very controversial ... Or Yermak is right, and the conquistadors in Latin America or the Anglo-Saxons in North were wrong? If so, then you have cognitive dissonance, and you are not much different from the same "McFaul, McCain and co". So what would you be more careful with such statements, Ukraine alone is not enough?
  12. max702
    max702 30 March 2016 14: 19
    +3
    Of course, with the module it is better than without it, but it looks like something pathetic and flimsy .. Protection from fragments and shooters apparently is not provided .. As for our modules, they riveted a lot for every taste and color, and a long time ago on the T-80 version "Bars" put a module with a 30mm cannon and 250 rounds of ammunition .. DO NOT put it out because of greed, in fact, all the current modifications of the T-72b3 are made in order to finish off their resource in exercises and all kinds of maneuvers, and apparently not to fight on them are going .. The bet is on "Armata".
  13. RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette 30 March 2016 14: 33
    +6
    Quote: hobot
    Enough to play big politics - it's time to unite all the republics into one country ...

    You do not understand their unspeakable satisfaction.
    With this independence they are worn like a hand-written bag and balm for the soul and not as forcefully as in Ukraine, but no less effective, they eradicate everything Russian. Although at the international level they declare about the most tolerant tolerance and friendship of all peoples inside the wonderful Kazakhstan. All this is called "multi-chair cunning", which we refer to as multi-vector. Here is your look from the inside from the Slav.
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 30 March 2016 14: 49
      0
      Quote: RussianRoulette
      Quote: hobot
      Enough to play big politics - it's time to unite all the republics into one country ...

      You do not understand their unspeakable satisfaction.
      With this independence they are worn like a hand-written bag and balm for the soul and not as forcefully as in Ukraine, but no less effective, they eradicate everything Russian. Although at the international level they declare about the most tolerant tolerance and friendship of all peoples inside the wonderful Kazakhstan. All this is called "multi-chair cunning", which we refer to as multi-vector. Here is your look from the inside from the Slav.

      that's right
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 30 March 2016 15: 40
      +5
      Quote: RussianRoulette
      They are worn with this independence as if they were written with a bag and balm for the soul, and not as forcefully as in Ukraine, but no less efficiently, they uproot everything Russian
      - no one here eradicates anything, but revives his own, national, which has the right to exist on Kazakh soil. If the Kazakh language revival program is adopted, this does not mean that the Russian language is being eradicated. It, along with Kazakh, is the state language, the language of interethnic communication.
      You would not whine here that someone is uprooting you here - after all, you are really uprooting yourself. I already have the fifth friend who sent his child to study in China. Where are your universities in Kazakhstan? Where are the programs for our students in your universities? Oh, yes, "we are not obliged to teach a chock here for free in our universities." Ok, your position is clear. Nu-nu, they are not obliged to do so, they are not obliged - no, and there is no trial! laughing laughing
      Professional education is the best way to "eradicate everything Russian." I already know for sure five - who study in China. They will come and will be apologists and admirers of everything Chinese - from cuisine, medicine and to the same weapons ... Well, besides the language, it is too complicated, the Chinese themselves do not particularly like it, willingly mastering all other languages.
      Brita opened KBTU - Kazakh-British Technical University. At the lectures on political science there are such nonsense - the ears fade. Why be surprised then the eradication of "everything Russian" - people at KBTU have heard enough of what should not be followed and what is not true. Where are the retaliatory steps from Russia?
      All for free to keep "we want our Russian", while doing nothing? "We don't have to do anything for these lumps, do we?" Nu-nu, they are not obliged to do so, they are not obliged, and there is no court.
      1. Mowgli
        Mowgli 30 March 2016 16: 25
        +4
        It is, along with Kazakh, the state language


        Well, here you are wrong.
        The official - yes, the language of interethnic communication - yes.
        State - no.
        See constitution and language law.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 30 March 2016 18: 24
        +3
        Quote: aksakal
        If the Kazakh language revival program is adopted, this does not mean that the Russian language is being eradicated. It, along with Kazakh, is the state language, the language of interethnic communication.

        Take a look at any print of the official seal. What has changed in it over a decade? By the way, the state and the language of the so-called interethnic communication is a "huge distance."
        Another relative leaves Kazakhstan, although there are many friends among Kazakhs. Alas! In addition to Russia, the rest of the republics, or rather the "elite", are moving towards nationalism with different agility. Today, in Ukraine, even the Balts are giving a head start.
        The fact that Kazakhstan is trying to modernize equipment is great. And the fact that with the help of "friends of Russia" is a question first of all for our defense industry and our politicians. And again, alas!
      3. Dewa1s
        Dewa1s 31 March 2016 08: 16
        0
        no one here eradicates anything, but revives his national

        Why be surprised then the eradication of "all Russian" - people have heard enough in KBTU that which should not have followed and which is not true

        request
    3. Mowgli
      Mowgli 30 March 2016 16: 36
      +5
      They with this independence rush like a written bag


      It is in the blood.
      Ilyas Esenberlin in the book "Nomads" put the following words into the mouth of Khan Ablai (in his discussion of the Russians and their cities):
      "On the ground, they plant trees and sow grain. And they climb underground ... They dig ore and make cannons and plows. And we rush across the steppe and rejoice that it is big."
  14. Evil 55
    Evil 55 30 March 2016 14: 36
    +1
    In vain, the Kazakhs are trying to marry the Turkish balalaika and the Russian fighting machine ...
  15. Dax
    Dax 30 March 2016 14: 45
    -2
    Yes, because the Turkish, because Nazarbayev is not going to fight against the Turks, and not with the Ukrainians, to whom he first went for help. And why is he going to translate his Indian, sho the ancient Ukrian language into the Latin alphabet, because the Kazakhs are closer in mentality to the tsevropyitsy. The whole policy of the "independent and great" "states" is a crap for benefactors and breadwinners, but rather kill them.
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 30 March 2016 18: 35
      +8
      Deep analysis of the benefactor and breadwinner. laughing
  16. ydjin
    ydjin 30 March 2016 15: 28
    0
    Somehow sadness sadness however, not really all really burned out.
    .
  17. Shuttle
    Shuttle 30 March 2016 15: 34
    +5
    What kind of boiling in the brain? Well, Kazakhs are trying once again to modernize the T-72 without us. So what? What is the result? No matter what.
    As for the article, it does not even reflect the decision of the Kazakhs, but only a statement of the attempt to modernize.
    There is nothing surprising or new about this. The need for a remotely controlled machine gun is simply confirmed.
    All.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 30 March 2016 18: 40
      0
      What kind of boiling in the brain? Well, Kazakhs are trying once again to modernize
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------
      To each his own . One to build tanks, the other a camel
  18. Oml
    Oml 30 March 2016 15: 48
    +1
    Quote: hobot
    Enough to play big politics - it's time to unite all the republics in one country.

    Something I do not want to live as it is now in Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, the Baltic states and other former our republics. We have been building it for decades. Much at the expense of the RSFSR, others lived freely, while there was little left for themselves.
  19. CRASH
    CRASH 30 March 2016 15: 51
    +5
    Well done, took and removed one of the "Achilles heels" 72ki
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    1. CRASH
      CRASH 30 March 2016 16: 27
      +8
      I’m losing my temper with our policy, we declare that we want to have good economic relations with everyone, and we are not going to flirt with anyone and bribe someone to appease. But then when Azerbaijan or Kyrgyzstan (example) buys something not from us, we are beside ourselves with rage. And how to live that?
      Well done, we also need to bet, then they will buy from us. And not because we are "brothers in the board" but because the best on the market. We are transferring the economy to market rails, but we will not transfer our brains.