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Media: wheel chassis for C-400 will be ordered only in Russia

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Almaz-Antey, which produces the Triumph C-400 air defense system, is ready to completely switch over to the wheeled chassis for the complexes produced by the Bryansk Automobile Plant (BAZ), refusing the services of the Minsk wheel tractor plant, reports RIA News message of the newspaper "Izvestia".




In December last year, Almaz-Antey acquired a BAZ specializing in the production of wheeled chassis and off-road vehicles. This decision was made in connection with the difficult financial situation of the Bryansk enterprise, as well as in order to prevent the disruption of the fulfillment of the state order for C-400.

“This year we have to supply the Ministry of Defense five sets of C-400. It is almost a hundred launchers, transport-launchers, tractors carrying radar stations and additional equipment. And Minsk dwellers require one hundred percent advance payment for the work, without at the same time guaranteeing the deadlines for the execution of the order, ”a source in the concern told the newspaper.

According to the newspaper, "the official reason for the transition to Russian tractors is the sharp increase in internal and external orders for C-400 complexes."

"Under the fulfillment of the state defense order in 2016, Almaz-Antey invested 114 billion rubles in updating the Nizhny Novgorod plant of the Victory Day's 70 anniversary, the missile plant of the air defense concern in Kirov and the Bryansk Automobile Plant, including the purchase of it," the source said.

As noted by the publication, the concern is confident that "they will be able to fully switch to the domestic wheelbase, especially KamAZ is ready to provide their products." According to the source, the KAMAZ chassis will be used already "in the production of the latest C-500 Prometheus systems".
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. alekc75
    alekc75 30 March 2016 09: 39
    +43
    It's high time! Bryansk plant produced cars in the USSR
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 30 March 2016 09: 41
      +13
      Old man will be offended again ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 March 2016 09: 45
        +34
        ShturmKGB
        Old man will be offended again ...



        Let it compete, business and no offense. We must have our own production, and Old Man can wag his tail.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 30 March 2016 10: 06
          +37
          Over the past few years, the 100 suggested once and again partially changing the localization of production in various variants: 1) the key chassis components are manufactured in the Russian Federation, the secondary ones are made in Belka, the assembly is also there; 2) part of the release of key nodes remains in Belarus, secondary in the same place, assembly in the Russian Federation. But he eventually said (August 2015): “We are afraid that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and transport nuclear warheads on its own - and for good health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent! ”
          1. avg
            avg 30 March 2016 10: 42
            +22
            Well, Rygorych is not on friendly terms with the proverb: "Keep quiet, you will pass for a clever one." And here's the result. request
        2. cap
          cap 30 March 2016 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          ShturmKGB
          Old man will be offended again ...



          Let it compete, business and no offense. We must have our own production, and Old Man can wag his tail.


          While negotiating with Europe, the chain on the "bike" hooked laughing
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      3. Pereira
        Pereira 30 March 2016 09: 49
        +25
        Old Man himself is to blame. There is nothing to sit on two chairs at once.
        He is no longer a reliable ally. Enough with us problems with the outskirts of supply.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 30 March 2016 12: 19
          +3
          Quote: Pereira
          Nothing for two at once toilet seats sit

          Quote: Stulchak
          Restroom: seat with hole in the middle

          belay laughing good
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 30 March 2016 14: 24
            +2
            That is what I had in mind. This is not a typo.
            The two-handed confuses the chair and the toilet seat, therefore, alternately crap in both. For which, in the end, one of the parties dunks it in its own feces.
      4. 79807420129
        79807420129 30 March 2016 10: 28
        +17
        ShturmKGB
        Old man will be offended again ...

        Yes, let him be offended, because it will still require cheap loans and oil and gas, and then it will wag its tail in front of Europe.
      5. Victor-M
        Victor-M 30 March 2016 10: 57
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        Old man will be offended again ...

        And why be offended then, will receive even more freedom, get rid of the dependence of the Russian market.
      6. 73bor
        73bor 30 March 2016 11: 27
        +7
        Daddy - "and yours and ours", and BAZ is bent, its dearer!
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 31 March 2016 16: 40
          0
          It's strange. that the s-500 will be on KAMAZ and some of the s-400 machines too. Doesn't that mean. that BAZ will all the same ditch and make a screwdriver out of it.
      7. My doctor
        My doctor 30 March 2016 12: 05
        +4
        ShturmKGB
        Old man will be offended again ...

        Maybe it's for the better if economic ties between our countries are weaker, if something happens. But it's not about Luka, but the point is that all the same they got their hands on the BASE, that they should have understood their own, that it is better to strain and improve your NOW than to have an addiction THEN.
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        If today they have brains and money that they do not have - let them invent! "

        And at the expense of brains, there were talented designers at MAZ (then MZKT was still part of MAZ), but they were not eternal, now there are clerks who can only set the parameters of loads in CAD.
      8. VP
        VP 30 March 2016 12: 08
        +3
        It's a security issue.
        For Ukraine, they also made many orders to the detriment of their enterprises. In order to "support".
        And at the daddy they jump too and daddy looks at it through his fingers.
        Well, what for are such roulettes?
      9. st25310
        st25310 30 March 2016 12: 58
        +7
        A new photo of the prototypes of the Platform-O chassis developed by KAMAZ.
        On this technique, the wheels can rotate wherever you want individually, they are not interconnected. It can ride sideways, it can rotate almost in place (there is one that rotates quite in place), in short, over maneuverability, since it carries a very heavy cargo.
        1. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 30 March 2016 21: 13
          0
          Quote: st25310
          This year we must supply the Ministry of Defense with five sets of S-400s. This is almost a hundred launchers, transport launchers, tractors carrying radar stations and additional equipment. And Minsk dwellers demand one hundred percent advance payment for the work, while not guaranteeing us the terms of order execution, ”a source in the concern told the newspaper.



          Is the engine compartment too healthy?
      10. vvp2412
        vvp2412 30 March 2016 13: 02
        +2
        Old Man, like Yanyk wants to sit with one ass on two chairs. And beg from everywhere!
        I think that Ukraine taught us something ... That the defense industry should be autonomous!
      11. Koshak
        Koshak 30 March 2016 13: 28
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        Old man will be offended again ...

        At Father's, under the windows, too, Bandera's "jerboas" begin to gallop. Let him take care of them. And we need it - also in Belarus to step on the Ukrainian rake? Everything related to weapons should be your own. Well, tractors, buses, mining dump trucks, gas stoves and a bulb can be bought from Batka
      12. gergi
        gergi 30 March 2016 14: 01
        +5
        This cunning villager is constantly offended by Russia. His secret dream is to reign. But why the hell do we need it. Both yours and ours. And we will sing and dance. Everything strives to eat the fish, and not to scrub the ass. But father behaves unworthily. Lavras of Yanukovych beckon and beckon. The production of tractors must be developed in our own country, so that at one far from perfect moment you do not stay with your nose.
      13. R-22
        R-22 30 March 2016 18: 05
        +1
        Well, so it is necessary to work on sane conditions, and not at one gate
    2. avt
      avt 30 March 2016 09: 46
      +15
      Quote: alekc75
      It's high time! Bryansk plant produced cars in the USSR

      good But KAMAZ will not give up the budget line so easily request He has a huge administrative resource.
      ShturmKGB
      Old man will be offended again ...

      The gaspadar was doing some research. It is quite expected to yourself and you do not need to be some kind of well-known analyst to calculate these consequences. request Especially when there is no person near Butler in his inner circle who could remind him of a grave sin without fear for his fate.
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 30 March 2016 10: 03
        +4
        Gathering the gaspadar sayuznay
        --------------------------------------
        Well, I took it off my tongue! There is even nothing to comment on: =)
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      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 March 2016 12: 43
        +4
        Quote: avt
        good But KAMAZ will not just give the budget line request. Its administrative resource is huge

        Fight of two yokozun ... laughing

        KAMAZ has one weak point - the percentage of imported components.
        In addition, Almaz-Antey is happy to start a policy: "the cheapest option is with factory chassis"(for BAZ is now part of the concern),"any other versions - on order with an increase in cost".
    3. Sweles
      Sweles 30 March 2016 10: 06
      -26%
      Well, is this a friendly step towards Belarus? The Kremlin itself, by its brutal policies, pushes its ally away from itself and pushes Belarus to the west; this is not just stupid, it is criminal ...
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 30 March 2016 10: 46
        +18
        It was necessary to think about this Old Man in the 2008 year, when our army defended South Ossetia and Abkhazia. He already then clearly demonstrated that he was not an ally, but a fellow traveler. And then, until the first intersection.
        As a business executive, he is not bad. It is foolish to deny. But he is a politician, as it turned out, small-caliber and two-vulgar.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 06
          -8
          Quote: Pereira
          This Old Man had to think about back in 2008, when our army defended South Ossetia and Abkhazia

          After several "brotherly" gas wars and one dairy?
          After Putin's statement about the "entry of six regions" into the Russian Federation?

          Hehe ... Strange "brotherhood", don't you think? One-sided ...
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 30 March 2016 11: 38
            +12
            We live in such a time that only those countries that possess nuclear weapons can be truly independent. The rest should choose the side. If the fate of Milosevic, Hussein, Gaddafi, the Old Man did not teach, the worse for Belarus. Sooner or later, they will provoke a civil war there as in Ukraine, and completely destroy the economy. Therefore, the influence of Belarus on our defense industry must be minimized in advance.

            And I can also recall the wet dreams of Belarusian nationalists to take away Smolensk from Russia.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 44
              +1
              Quote: Pereira
              The rest have to choose a side.

              And therefore it is necessary to push Belarus towards the EU? Wisely.
              1. Winnie76
                Winnie76 30 March 2016 11: 52
                +12
                There was a good article on the site about the likely defense of Belarus. Summary - Russia only has obligations to protect within the framework of the CSTO, while Belarus has only rights. If they wanted to allow the Air Force base, they did not want to. Usa decides dad. Another suitcase without a handle ...
              2. Pereira
                Pereira 30 March 2016 12: 00
                +4
                This push for choice is a real alliance or a Hague tribunal.
              3. Cat man null
                Cat man null 30 March 2016 12: 55
                +4
                Quote: Spade
                And therefore it is necessary to push Belarus towards the EU? Wisely

                Is there someone waiting for her there? Outstretched? fellow

                For that there is an example of Ukraine before my eyes .. yes
              4. co-creator
                co-creator 31 March 2016 16: 49
                0
                Quote: Spade
                And therefore it is necessary to push Belarus towards the EU? Wisely.

                That is, you need to feed them for as Ukraine and then they will definitely not go to the EU?)) I'm looking at the price.
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 31 March 2016 16: 47
            0
            Quote: Spade
            After several "brotherly" gas wars and one dairy?
            After Putin's statement about the "entry of six regions" into the Russian Federation?

            Hehe ... Strange "brotherhood", don't you think? One-sided ...

            Well, now, as I understand it, gas in Belarus is the same as in Ukraine? It seems not. This means that the gas warriors benefited primarily the population.

            So what's with the milk? Are they giving it up for a song? Not . So a compromise was found here too. We have their products. our business is with them.

            You don't need to take words out of context.

            The brotherhood is excellent. Gas is almost like in the Russian Federation. and the Russian Federation has a pipe on shares. There is no border and milk in the Russian Federation is filled up.
        2. Olezhek
          Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 29
          +2
          As a business executive, he is not bad. It is foolish to deny. But he is a politician, as it turned out, small-caliber and two-vulgar.
          !!! wink !!!
        3. Sweles
          Sweles 30 March 2016 12: 42
          -7
          Quote: Pereira
          Father had to think about this back in 2008, when our army defended South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Even then, he clearly demonstrated that he was not an ally, but a fellow traveler. And then, up to n


          no, Putin even then made it clear that Belarus would not be equal, but only a colony of Russia with the destruction of Belarusian production ...
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      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 30 March 2016 12: 41
        +11
        Quote: Sveles
        Well, is this a friendly step towards Belarus? The Kremlin itself with its brutal policies alienates its ally


        the power of Belarus is the same ally as the power of Ukraine before the Maidan (stupidly beckon with money in Europe with the recognition of Lukashenka as a democrat and rush away from Russia without hesitation).
        If the Kremlin had pursued a tough policy towards Belarus, it would not have subsidized it every year (the maintenance of Belarus costs Russia up to 10 billion green bills a year).
        The power of Belarus is by no means a friend of the Russian world, but its adversary, just like in their own country, like Ukraine, they continue the operation to create an artificial nation of "Belarusians" out of Russians.
        The purpose of all this is to break away from the Russian world as Lukashenka said

        "There are clever people who say that Belarus is part of the Russian world and almost Russia. Forget it."

        so we will gradually forget about it.
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 30 March 2016 12: 47
          -3
          Quote: lopvlad
          power of Belarus is the same ally as the power of Ukraine in front of the Maidan (stupidly money in Europe beckon with the recognition of Lukashenko as a democrat and rush away from Russia without hesitation).


          how do you know? there is no Bandera in Belarus and there will not be any Maidans - no need to invent ...

          Quote: lopvlad
          If the Kremlin had pursued a tough policy towards Belarus, it would not have subsidized it every year (the maintenance of Belarus costs Russia up to 10 billion green bills a year).


          do you know exactly that 10 billion?, maybe less? By the way, the oligarchs-Jews of Russia are more expensive ...

          Quote: lopvlad
          The power of Belarus is by no means a friend of the Russian world, but its adversary, just like in their own country, like Ukraine, they continue the operation to create an artificial nation of "Belarusians" out of Russians.


          this is a lie, because Belarusians are Russian ...

          Quote: lopvlad
          The purpose of all this is to break away from the Russian world as Lukashenka said

          "There are clever people who say that Belarus is a part of the Russian world and almost Russia. Forget it."


          you're lying again, let's link ...

          to pursue a policy aimed at repelling the NATURAL and ONLY ally for Russia is UNACCEPTABLE, STUPID and CRIMINAL on the part of the Kremlin ...
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 March 2016 12: 51
            +5
            Quote: Sveles

            how do you know? there is no Bandera in Belarus and there will not be any Maidans - no need to invent ...

            Yes, yes, yes, we certainly believe you ...
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 30 March 2016 13: 16
              -2
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Yes, yes, yes, we certainly believe you ...


              you don’t know history during the war in Belarus, every FOURTH RESIDENT was killed, Belarus was a GUERRILLA LAND and there were no Bandera people on Belarusian soil, but what you show here is not true and your whole bazaar and people like you are demagogy aimed at destruction friendly relations with the fraternal people ...
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 March 2016 13: 57
                +3
                Quote: Sveles
                you do not know history during the war in Belarus was killed, every FOURTH RESIDENT, Belarus was a GUERRILLA LAND and there were no Bandera people on Belarusian soil

                But there was the Belarusian regional defense and the Schutzmanschaft brigade "Siegling".

                And how do the events of 70 years ago have to do with the present? 70 years ago and Bulgarians were once again "brothers" ...
                Quote: Sveles
                but what you are showing here is not true and your whole bazaar and people like you are demagogy aimed at destroying friendly relations with the fraternal people ...

                Yes Yes Yes, get out!
                Plus, we already had two fraternal people... Do you want to run the rake for the third time?
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 30 March 2016 14: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  ATO was the Belarusian Regional Defense and the Schutzmanschaft Brigade "Siegling".

                  fool would you just blurt out something?

                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And how do the events of 70 years ago have to do with the present? 70 years ago and Bulgarians were once again "brothers" ...


                  the people of the Bulgarians, as they were brothers, have remained and all this policy is from the tops of both Bulgaria and Russia, by the way, not Russian, hence the whole problem ...

                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Besides, we already had two fraternal peoples. Do you want to run the rake for the third time?


                  Is that what you want, what would Belarusians and Russians quarrel, is this what you want?
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 30 March 2016 16: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Sveles
                    would you just blurt out something?

                    Getting personal is the strongest argument in the argument. Better than him only "and what?" smile
                    Quote: Sveles
                    the people of the Bulgarians, as they were brothers, have remained and all this policy is from the tops of both Bulgaria and Russia, by the way, not Russian, hence the whole problem ...

                    Uh-huh ... anti-Russian men flew in from Mars - and well, oppress the Bulgarian brothers. But the brothers loved Russians all their lives. They loved so much that in WWII the Russian brigade on the Thessaloniki front had to be withdrawn to the rear to replenish the losses.
                    Every nation has the elite that it deserves. All the "brotherhood" of the Bulgarians does not extend beyond kitchen conversations.
                    Quote: Sveles
                    Is that what you want, what would Belarusians and Russians quarrel, is this what you want?

                    I urge you not to operate with concepts fraternal peoples и quarrel... in political matters. It was already Russian with Chinese - brothers forever! и Hindi rusi bhai bhai!
                    We have already abandoned the development of completely domestic shipborne gas turbine engines once for the sake of cooperation with a reliable supplier from a fraternal Slavic country. And they wanted to build a gas pipeline through another brotherly country.
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 30 March 2016 14: 19
                +2
                Quote: Sveles
                you do not know history during the war in Belarus was killed, every FOURTH RESIDENT, Belarus was a GUERRILLA LAND

                - you, me and the people of our generation remember this
                - it was 70+ years ago, and young animals, for the most part, no longer remember

                Quote: Sveles
                ... aimed at destroying friendly relations with the fraternal people ...

                - there are no relations "between peoples" in politics
                - there are relationships between the ruling elite
                - the attitude of the ruling elite of Belarus towards the Russian Federation is more consumerist than fraternal. Refute .. if you can wink

                Quote: Sveles
                your whole bazaar and people like you are demagoguery

                - exactly. Look in the mirror. Repeat one more time. Understand.

                Voooot ... repeat
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 30 March 2016 14: 29
                  -2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  the attitude of the ruling elite of Belarus towards the Russian Federation is more consumerist than fraternal. Refute .. if you can


                  threw it in, prove it yourself ...
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 30 March 2016 14: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Sveles
                    threw it in, prove it yourself ...

                    Prove? That the soot is black, the snow is white, the pillow is soft and the wall is hard?

                    Dismiss ..

                    PS: do not be rude, I will bite wink
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 30 March 2016 16: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      PS: do not be rude, I will bite

                      Won't you scratch? repeat
                      hi
              3. SklochPensioner
                SklochPensioner 30 March 2016 17: 28
                -3
                Quote: Sveles
                don't know stories

                Porridge in your head, troll!
                "Sveles" is a bastard, in translation ?!
          2. cap
            cap 30 March 2016 13: 18
            +1
            Quote: Sveles
            Quote: lopvlad
            power of Belarus is the same ally as the power of Ukraine in front of the Maidan (stupidly money in Europe beckon with the recognition of Lukashenko as a democrat and rush away from Russia without hesitation).


            how do you know? there is no Bandera in Belarus and there will not be any Maidans - no need to invent ...

            Quote: lopvlad
            If the Kremlin had pursued a tough policy towards Belarus, it would not have subsidized it every year (the maintenance of Belarus costs Russia up to 10 billion green bills a year).


            do you know exactly that 10 billion?, maybe less? By the way, the oligarchs-Jews of Russia are more expensive ...

            Quote: lopvlad
            The power of Belarus is by no means a friend of the Russian world, but its adversary, just like in their own country, like Ukraine, they continue the operation to create an artificial nation of "Belarusians" out of Russians.


            this is a lie, because Belarusians are Russian ...

            Quote: lopvlad
            The purpose of all this is to break away from the Russian world as Lukashenka said

            "There are clever people who say that Belarus is a part of the Russian world and almost Russia. Forget it."


            you're lying again, let's link ...

            to pursue a policy aimed at repelling the NATURAL and ONLY ally for Russia is UNACCEPTABLE, STUPID and CRIMINAL on the part of the Kremlin ...


            I will give the words and give a link. Still, your comment on this phrase:
            "" We are not pro-Russian, not pro-Ukrainian or pro-Polish. We are not Russians, we are Belarusian! Our country is Belaya Rus. A country where Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Poles, Jews, Tatars, and many others live. These are the children of Belaya Rus, citizens of one country - Belarus "- Alexander Lukashenko stressed. "
            http://gazetaby.com/cont/art.php?sn_nid=73667
            hi
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            2. Sweles
              Sweles 30 March 2016 14: 07
              -2
              Quote: cap
              We are not pro-Russian, not pro-Ukrainian or pro-Polish. We are not Russians, we are Belarusian!


              There are clever people who say that Belarus is a part of the Russian world and almost Russia. Forget it. "


              Why are you responsible for this lopwlad or are you the same person?
              according to the quote, that you don't notice that the content of the quotes is DIFFERENT, the Russians and Belarusians are ONE WHOLE, but only now they are dragged to the corners too quickly, there are differences Russian do not speak Belarusian, and Belarusians speak Russian + their own culture, which is only slightly different from the Great Russian, I was thinking this is what the president emphasized.

              in general, you read everything from the article that you yourself brought

              Lukashenka stressed that nothing threatens the Russian people and the Russian language in Belarus. At the same time, he said: “If we lose the Russian language, we will lose our minds. If we stop speaking Belarusian language, we will stop being a nation. "


              these words would be in the ears of Ukrainians, and there many went crazy and not only Ukrainians, but also local regulars who are trying to drive a wedge into Russian-Belarusian friendship ...
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 30 March 2016 14: 23
                0
                Quote: Sveles
                trying to drive a wedge into Russian-Belarusian friendship

                - two in Russian .. Russophile fellow
                - to write correctly - religion does not allow, or what?

                Yes, but what does it have to do with the article? wink
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 30 March 2016 14: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - two in Russian .. Russophile
                  - to write correctly - religion does not allow, or what?

                  Yes, but what does it have to do with the article?


                  I wrote everything correctly ...
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                2. andj61
                  andj61 30 March 2016 16: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Yes, but what does it have to do with the article?

                  Yes, no: Almaz Antey makes orders to his almost division - BASE. Naturally, he does not need to give a XNUMX% advance payment, and both profit and taxes "at home" remain. What does friendship have to do with it? what
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 30 March 2016 16: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: andj61
                    Almaz Antey makes orders to his practically division - BAZ

                    Yes, not even "practically". In December 2015, Almaz-Antey bought 100% of BAZ's shares.

                    Quote: andj61
                    What does friendship have to do with it?

                    Yes, it has nothing to do with it .. it's just that someone belarusian * whose need to arrange for some reason request

                    Quote: andj61
                    Yes no

                    It is understandable .. the question was .. well, kind of rhetorical laughing
            3. lopvlad
              lopvlad 30 March 2016 18: 59
              +3
              Quote: cap
              We are not Russians, we are Belarusian! Our country is Belaya Rus.


              which was required to prove. He rivets his nation "Belarusians" out of Russians so that his son has someone to rule.
              It's as if I separated the city of Voronezh from Russia and began to create a separate nation of Voronezh residents.
              Proving this by the fact that some individual words and names in local villages speak in a special way and the embroidery pattern is different than, for example, in the Oryol land.
            4. co-creator
              co-creator 31 March 2016 16: 59
              0
              Quote: cap
              I will give the words and give a link. Still, your comment on this phrase:
              "" We are not pro-Russian, not pro-Ukrainian or pro-Polish. We are not Russians, we are Belarusian! Our country is Belaya Rus. A country where Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Poles, Jews, Tatars, and many others live. These are the children of Belaya Rus, citizens of one country - Belarus, "stressed Alexander Lukashenko."
              http://gazetaby.com/cont/art.php?sn_nid=73667

              That is, tomorrow Smolensk will secede and say we are not Russians, but Smolensk. So what? Why, then, do Germans live in Austria and not Austrians? And in Shweisharia the French. Germans, Italians? You are confusing citizenship and nationality.
              By the way there is a video where the dad said that Belarus is an independent state. But Russians and Belarusians are one people. When did we become different then?
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 March 2016 12: 50
        +8
        Quote: Sveles
        Well, is this a friendly step towards Belarus? The Kremlin itself, by its brutal policies, pushes its ally away from itself and pushes Belarus to the west; this is not just stupid, it is criminal ...

        I understand you correctly - the Russian Federation should ditch its own production of special chassis in order to support Belarus?
        And when Rygorych once again stands in front of the West, back to Russia - what are we going to do? We had few problems with Ukrainian helicopter engines and ship-borne gas turbine engines ...

        ICHH, if BAZ had not entered anywhere and the plant would have died completely, then those who are now writing about the need to support fraternal Belarus would be the first to blame the Russian leadership for the lack of support from the domestic manufacturer and too strong dependence on Belarusian chassis (citing Ukraine as an example) ... laughing
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 30 March 2016 13: 07
          -7
          Quote: Alexey RA
          I understand you correctly - the Russian Federation should ditch its own production of special chassis in order to support Belarus?
          And when Rygorych once again stood


          you do not understand much at all, MZKT and Baz ALWAYS occupied their own NICHES in production and it was ALWAYS that way, but KAMAZ climbs where it has never been, in the field of creating multi-axle machines, without having either its own engine or its own boxes, so who will KamAZ work for buying Liebher and Alice, for Hitler?

          Quote: Alexey RA
          ICHH, if BAZ did not enter anywhere and the plant would die completely, then


          BAZ, as it was, will continue to exist in the area in which it existed before, but the Russian government should pay attention to too many purchases of mana, Volvos, Ivecs and Chinese, they need to be evicted from our market and their place can be filled BASIC products, but Putin does not want this, so the only reason for such a decision is political - TO DISCOVER RUSSIA AND BELARUS, and the Russian government is engaged in this ...
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 March 2016 13: 32
            +5
            Quote: Sveles
            you do not understand much at all, MZKT and Baz ALWAYS occupied their own NICHES in production and it was ALWAYS that way, but KAMAZ climbs where it has never been, in the field of creating multi-axle machines, without having either its own engine or its own boxes, so who will KamAZ work for buying Liebher and Alice, for Hitler?

            Have you read the article at all? The replacement of the Minsk chassis in the air defense will not be Kamaz, but the BAZ purchased by Almaz-Antey. And its chassis should move the Minsk ones and become competitors of the actively promoted KAMAZ trucks.
            Nobody wants to put all their eggs in one basket, tied to Rygorych with his "policy of two chairs" and to Kamaz's "pie in the sky", which is also assembled from imported components.

            And more - tie up with temporal movements and altistory. And then your Kamaz works for Hitler. smile
            Quote: Sveles
            BAZ, as it was and will continue to exist in the area in which it existed before

            Yeah ... that's just 01.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX, before the purchase of BAZ Almaz-Antey and the decision to abandon the Minsk chassis, BAZ was on the verge of bankruptcy.
            Quote: Sveles
            the government of Russia should pay attention to too many purchases of mana, volvos, ivecs and Chinese, they need to be evicted from our market and their place can be filled with BASIC products, but Putin does not want this, therefore the only reason for such a decision is political - And BELARUS and the government of Russia is engaged in this ...

            Sumptuously. That is, let the army continue to receive Belarusian chassis - and we will try to create a competitor to other foreign cars in the civilian sector ... with a predictable outcome.
            Moreover, in your opinion, it turns out that Putin does not want to fill the place of foreign cars with BAZ products, so Almaz-Antey buys the bankrupt BAZ, invests in its re-equipment and provides orders to restore production. Don't you see any contradiction? wink
            BAZ special chassis initially competed with Minsk. And now also with the chassis of the Kamaz, so unloved by you. And the market for such a specific technique is limited. Therefore, the development of the BAZ chassis line can only take place at the cost of rejecting part of the supplies from Belarus.
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 30 March 2016 14: 22
              -3
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Have you read the article at all?


              is that this squalor called "article"?
              What did you boast about that you had the patience to read three lines? do not judge by yourself ...

              Quote: Alexey RA
              Yeah ... that's just 01.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX, before the purchase of BAZ Almaz-Antey and the decision to abandon the Minsk chassis, BAZ was on the verge of bankruptcy.


              the ruin of one enterprise, moreover, successful in order to save the lying one is stupidity and most likely criminal stupidity, the base lived before it was 50 years old and survived nothing, it is necessary to turn quickly ...

              Quote: Alexey RA
              Sumptuously. That is, let the army continue to receive Belarusian chassis - and we will try to create a competitor to other foreign cars in the civilian sector ... with a predictable outcome.
              Moreover, in your opinion, it turns out that Putin does not want to fill the place of foreign cars with BAZ products, so Almaz-Antey buys the bankrupt BAZ, invests in its re-equipment and provides orders to restore production. Don't you see any contradiction?


              in what language do you speak? in gibberish, studied in the synagogue?
              i to you fool clearly said that the bases and mzkt all occupy their own niches, which is not clear? But there is a possibility, in connection with import substitution, to throw out foreign cars, here you have a solution to the problem, and instead the Kremlin goes into conflict with Lukashenko - this is unacceptable and unreasonable and disgusting, is it clear to you at last?
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 March 2016 16: 40
                -2
                Quote: Sveles
                the ruin of one enterprise, moreover, successful in order to save the lying one is stupidity and most likely criminal stupidity, the base lived before it was 50 years old and survived nothing, it is necessary to turn quickly ...

                Yes, yes, yes ... BAZ didn't fit in the market.
                In addition, what prevents a successful Belarusian enterprise, from which some of the orders were taken away for the sake of a Russian manufacturer, turn slightly? smile
                Quote: Sveles
                I clearly told you that the bases and mzkt all occupy their own niches, which is not clear?

                You are undoubtedly a great chassis expert. Please tell me how BAZ and MZKT can occupy their nichesif they actually produce the same chassis line for Almaz-Antey products and are in fact competitors:
                As for the S-400 complex, the main task of the designers is the 5P90S launcher, - Vladimir Pavlovich Lisinsky continues his story. - This product is an initiative development of our company. The 51P6A launcher in the S-400 complex, developed by order of the Ministry of Defense in the early 90s, has many design flaws. NMP designers see these shortcomings, so they started to develop an alternative model. Our installation will be lighter by 5 tons, as much as possible unified with the launcher of the S-300 complex, and the labor intensity of our product will be much less. "
                In addition, the product developed by our CDB also benefits from other parameters: the number of pipelines in its hydraulic system is half that of 51P6A with the same functional characteristics.
                The upgraded product is based on the domestic chassis of the Bryansk Automobile Plant (BAZ 6909), while the 51P6A is assembled on the MAZ chassis (as in the text, in fact - MZKT), which, when transported on European railways on a platform, fits into the dimensions only with the wheels removed. And, finally, an additional advantage of our launcher is the power supply system: it is developed on a new element base, and will be 4 times lighter than the existing one, only 250 kg. And the most important thing is that the development of the Central Design Bureau is twice as cheap as its St. Petersburg counterpart.

                In the same way, BAZ competes with the MZKT in the field of chassis for radars of the "XNUMX" and "XNUMX" series of air defense missile systems.
                Quote: Sveles
                But there is an opportunity in connection with import substitution to throw out foreign cars

                Throw out foreign cars from where? From the army? So they are practically not there ... except for "KrAZ" and the same "MAZ / MZKT".
                From the civilian sector? Unrealistic. And even if it succeeds, then BAZ will still have a competitor in the form of a similar line from MZKT.
              2. SklochPensioner
                SklochPensioner 30 March 2016 17: 43
                0
                Quote: Sveles
                in what language do you speak? in gibberish, studied in the synagogue?

                What language do you speak? Where did you study?

                From E. Poe (in Russian translation)), approximately: "... grab the villain! And hang him on the city wall by morning!"
                It's about You, Belech!
            2. andj61
              andj61 30 March 2016 16: 13
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              gu ... that's just 01.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX, before the purchase of BAZ Almaz-Antey and the decision to abandon the Minsk chassis, BAZ was on the verge of bankruptcy.

              Not only was, but also went bankrupt, and more than once ...
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 14: 24
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          I understand you correctly - the Russian Federation should ditch its own production of special chassis in order to support Belarus?

          Not. Must use both chassis.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 March 2016 16: 45
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Not. Must use both chassis.

            The rear and repairs applaud you while standing! smile
            Three main types of chassis in one division. Moreover, two of them are practically similar in characteristics.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 21: 41
              -1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              The rear and repairs applaud you while standing

              Lesh, two or three chassis heavy technology is overkill? For light cars - yes, I agree. As regards tractors, the issue is somewhat different.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 31 March 2016 10: 28
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Lesh, is two or three heavy equipment chassis too much?

                Two different types of heavy chassis (same payload) from two manufacturers in one division is overkill. Either BAZ - or MZKT. Otherwise, we will follow the crooked path of the Wehrmacht with its zoo of technology. smile
    4. andj61
      andj61 30 March 2016 16: 02
      +2
      Quote: alekc75
      It's high time! Bryansk plant produced cars in the USSR

      In the USSR, the BAZ produced up to 25-30 chassis vehicles per month, and now the same number per year. And besides heavy wheeled chassis, there was still a lot of products, and now half of the territory and workshops of the plant is given to merchants for trade and warehouses. However, it is quite possible to increase chassis production quickly enough. And the staff remained, and the equipment is available, and the native city will definitely be in the black! good
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 2 2016 20: 14
      0
      Minskers demand one hundred percent advance payment for the work, while not guaranteeing us the timing of the order

      I like this approach. Well, let them now look for sales markets. And the main thing is trying to kind of be together, but be sure to show how independent he is. No, of course he is in some way well done: clean streets, an agricultural industry works, and in general I liked the country. But you can't behave like that, for example, I remember well how he shielded a Georgian bear in 2008.
  2. Igor Pushkino
    Igor Pushkino 30 March 2016 09: 39
    +24
    Well, right: you have to upload your own!
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 30 March 2016 10: 33
      +8
      On a typewriter a day - here's the wheels for "Triumphs", "Krasukh" and the like, and a good volume for BAZ.
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  4. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 30 March 2016 09: 40
    +17
    The decision is right.
  5. Igor Pushkino
    Igor Pushkino 30 March 2016 09: 40
    +8
    ShturmKGB
    Old man will be offended again ...

    Why sit on two chairs ...
    1. Snow
      Snow 30 March 2016 09: 57
      +10
      And why are they "rolling around"? would unite with Russia and it would be good for us, and for them it would be good.
  6. Igor39
    Igor39 30 March 2016 09: 41
    +22
    Suddenly in Belarus "Maidan" and there the chassis from the S-400, disorder.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 March 2016 09: 41
    +17
    Brothers, brothers, and tobacco apart! Money must be spent in Russia, especially since the Belarusian brothers ask for an advance payment - in foreign currency! They don't like to write about it, but it is there.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 09: 53
      -7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Belarusians ask for prepayment - in foreign currency!

      Something I have not heard about prepayment. Where does the infa come from?
      P.S. According to the article, I would also like to visually compare the characteristics of the MZKT and BAZ chassis. AND TXT, and the price.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 10: 12
        -1
        Uryakalki - is the minus button jammed? laughing Are you not interested in looking at the TXT comparative table and the prices of cars?
        P.S. People driving foreign cars and shouting about import substitution are annoying. They remind the iPhone.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 30 March 2016 10: 33
          +7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Uryakalki - is the minus button jammed? laughing Are you not interested in looking at the TXT comparative table and the prices of cars?
          P.S. People driving foreign cars and shouting about import substitution are annoying. They remind the iPhone.

          And you can ask, these foreign cars, which you are talking about, where are they collected? Is it not in our country? Moreover, with a high degree of localization ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 10: 37
            -1
            Quote: Muvka
            Moreover, with a high degree of localization ...

            That's okay, really INTO! wassat With what share !? Take an interest in the localization of "our" machines - Vesta and X-Ray. The first has localization slightly more than half, the second has less than half. And you about foreign cars ...
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 30 March 2016 10: 44
              0
              Enlighten:
              http://newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/%D0%A3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C_%D0%
              BB%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B
              E%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%8
              1%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5
              %D0%B9-%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 10: 49
                0
                Quote: Muvka
                Enlighten:

                Where? belay
                400 Bad Request
                Is there another source? (well, or duplicate the address)
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka 30 March 2016 10: 51
                  +1
                  Then type in the search "level of localization of cars".
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 11: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Then type in the search "level of localization of cars".

                    Localization level of AvtoVAZ vehicles:
                    Lada 4x4 (Niva) - 70%. The SUV has the largest share of domestic components, so its price depends least of all on currency fluctuations.
                    Lada Granta - 53%.
                    Lada Vesta - 47% (the official figure is 71%).
                    Lada XRay - 22% (the official figure is about 50%).
                    Have you noticed (official figure) in brackets? Components and assemblies considered to be of domestic production are only assembled from imported parts. This is called hidden imports.
                    Search for "hidden import" wink
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka 30 March 2016 11: 16
                      +2
                      the level of localization at the Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Rus plant is 45%
                      At the end of 2012, Skoda's production director at the Nizhny Novgorod site, Oliver Grunberg, said: “Localization in Russia is very difficult, there are practically no basic suppliers, so now localization is only a few percent. However, we expect that the level of localization will grow, and by 2016 we will reach 60% of localization in Russia "
                      In the summer of 2007, the Governor of the Leningrad Region Valery Serdyukov said that previously the percentage of localization in the production of Ford cars in Vsevolozhsk was 30%, and now it is 60%.
                      General Motors has committed to localize production in Russia by 2017 to 60%
                      These are just a few. And guesswork without official confirmation, I'm not interested. This is for the Ukrainian media, which take news from Facebook ...
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 11: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: Muvka
                        At the end of 2012, Skoda's production director at the Nizhny Novgorod site, Oliver Grunberg, said:
                        Do you believe everything said? But what about logical thinking? Bo Anderson officially said that he successfully reformed AvtoVAZ. Come to Togliatti, I will take you to the checkpoint at the end of the shift, talk to the workers. Realize that not all yoghurts are created equal. laughing
                        AvotVAZ's net loss in 2015 amounted to RUB 74 billion. And Anderson is primarily a storyteller.
                        Quote: Muvka
                        And guesswork without official confirmation, I'm not interested. This is for the Ukrainian media, which take news from Facebook ...
                        Once again I tell you, type "Hidden Import".
                        P.S. The same level of localization of Vesta and XRAY is indicated in an open letter from the deputy of the State Duma of the Samara region Leonid Kalashnikov to the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation D.A.Medvedev. hi
                2. svd-xnumx
                  svd-xnumx 30 March 2016 12: 32
                  0
                  Where? belay
                  400 Bad Request
                  Is there another source? (well, or duplicate the address)
                  Working link
                  The level of localization of foreign cars produced in Russia
                  [edit]

                  In a narrow sense, the level of localization refers to the share of Russian-made components in cars. In a broad sense, when calculating localization, not only components and spare parts produced in Russia are taken into account, but also all the costs associated with ensuring the production of cars - water, electricity, workers' wages and much more. [1]

                  As of the first half of 2013, the Moscow plant Avtoframos reached the highest level of localization - 75%. The Volkswagen Group Rus plant in Kaluga has about 50% localization, and the Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Rus plant in St. Petersburg has reached 47% localization, including thanks to its own stamping of body parts, which is carried out on the territory of the enterprise. The average level of localization of components at the Russian factories Ford Sollers, Nissan Manufacturing Rus and PSMA Rus exceeds 30%. At the rest of the enterprises operating in the industrial assembly mode, the level of localization is 15 - 20%, which is mainly due to the later terms of the implementation of their projects. [2]
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 13: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: svd-xnumx
                    Working link

                    It doesn't work for me, even after a reboot. request
                    Quote: svd-xnumx
                    At the Volkswagen Group Rus plant in Kaluga, localization is about 50%

                    Tired of explaining - 50% is pure export, the rest of the "localized" spare parts are assembled "as it were" in Russia, but from imported parts. The question is - can a starter assembled in Russia from imported spare parts be considered a domestic one? To be honest, no. And if you need to report, then yes. hi
      2. Your friend
        Your friend 30 March 2016 10: 50
        +13
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Belarusians ask for prepayment - in foreign currency!

        Something I have not heard about prepayment. Where does the infa come from?
        P.S. According to the article, I would also like to visually compare the characteristics of the MZKT and BAZ chassis. AND TXT, and the price.

        I remember there was such a fraternal country Ukraine. Turbines for helicopters, turbines for ships were supplied, and Russia also bought a bunch of all kinds of military products there. And then there are no Ukrainian turbines, there is nothing at all. And then some citizens yelled, how so, where did the authorities look, why was it not done in Russia, where did the personalities from the authorities driving foreign cars look?
        It was strange, but it was clear that the performance characteristics and prices for this equipment in Ukraine were excellent. And why should import substitution after Maidan, hahaha, just fools. Isn't that right? Right?)
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Your friend
          Right?)

          As if yes. But based on this logic, you need to send everyone ... through the forest, and fenced off from all your neighbors with a high fence. And from behind the fence to watch how the West absorbs neighbors loyal to us.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 30 March 2016 11: 13
            +6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Your friend
            Right?)

            As if yes. But based on this logic, you need to send everyone ... through the forest, and fenced off from all your neighbors with a high fence.

            What nonsense. Military products should be produced in Russia as much as possible and not depend on any turbulence in neighboring states.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And from behind the fence to watch how the West absorbs neighbors loyal to us.

            And you asked your neighbors, Belarus is a sovereign state, what does it want and does it? Maybe they want to be swallowed up, the example of "fraternal" Ukraine has not convinced you?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 11: 28
              +1
              Quote: Your friend
              Military products should be produced in Russia as much as possible and not depend on any turbulence in neighboring states.

              I agree, only a fool would be against it. But I would like not to change sneakers for bast shoes, and at the same price. And with "our" managers, the prospect will move up to TXT and grow in price is very high. A trivial example of the cost of building roads and their quality in the same Belarus.
              Quote: Your friend
              the example of "fraternal" Ukraine did not convince you?

              The example of Ukraine convinced me that "our" Ukraine was either missed out of stupidity or sold out of meanness. A banal test is the number of NGOs in Ukraine, the USA and ours. And do not offend Old Man by comparison with Yanukovoshch - in some issues it will be better than GDP.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 30 March 2016 11: 44
                +6
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I agree, only a fool will be against it. But I would like not to change sneakers for bast shoes, and at the same price. And with "our" managers, the prospect will move up to TXT and grow in price is very high.

                If this creates jobs, makes the Russian military-industrial complex independent, then no kickbacks are sorry.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                A trivial example of the cost of building roads and their quality in the same Belarus.

                And what does this prove? French wine is the best in the world, you propose to cut down all the vineyards in Russia, otherwise these our managers will do this? Or do you suggest not trying to make at least some of your own processor, after all, the saw was burned?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The example of Ukraine convinced me that "our" Ukraine was either missed out of stupidity or sold out of meanness. A banal test is the number of NGOs in Ukraine, the USA and ours. And do not offend Old Man by comparison with Yanukovoshch - in some issues it will be better than GDP.

                For example, Ukraine is that you need to deal with your country, give loans not to "brothers", but to its citizens, which prom. production, where possible, should be located in the Russian Federation. And all the daddy, the Yanukovychs bother me a little.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 12: 00
                  -2
                  Quote: Your friend
                  then no kickbacks are sorry.

                  belay
                  Quote: Your friend
                  French wine is the best in the world, you propose to cut down all the vineyards in Russia, otherwise these our managers will do this?

                  By fault - not a fact about French. Vintage "White Muscat of Red Stone" holds the championship in the number of gold medals. As for managers, I don't want to pay the price of a vintage wine for powdered wine. I want my own and high quality.
                  Quote: Your friend
                  Or do you suggest not trying to make at least some of your own processor, after all, the saw was burned?

                  I propose to introduce a life sentence for cutting the state budget.
                  Quote: Your friend
                  give loans not to "brothers"
                  That you need to invest in your country, I agree. But in reality -
                  In February 2016, Russia increased its contribution to US Treasuries by $ 4.8 billion.
                  wink
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 16
                    +2
                    What surprised you about kickbacks? Kickbacks are given everywhere, in the Russian Federation, in Belarus, in the USA.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    By fault - not a fact about French. Vintage "White Muscat of Red Stone" holds the championship in the number of gold medals. As for managers, I don't want to pay the price of a vintage wine for powdered wine. I want my own and high quality.

                    Their own quality cannot immediately appear, before, wine from the USA was considered a garbage heap, they learned nothing over time, now they win something.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    That you need to invest in your country, I agree. But in reality -

                    So that's what I'm talking about. There is no need to invest in Belarus, in the USA. And we have a lot of idiots.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 13: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Your friend
                      And we have a lot of idiots.

                      And they are at the helm. But it is necessary to invest in Belarus, otherwise the United States will invest, moreover, from "our" Treasuries.
  8. ded100
    ded100 30 March 2016 09: 41
    +12
    The correct sound decision!
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 March 2016 09: 42
    +1
    They pushed the Bellorus aside. Another stumbling block with Minsk.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 March 2016 09: 47
      +9
      Apparently they themselves "moved away" ....
    2. kind
      kind 30 March 2016 09: 50
      +10
      They call us brothers when they have a benefit, and 100% prepayment, is this not rudeness towards brothers?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 30 March 2016 10: 06
        -9
        Quote: Good
        but 100% prepayment, this is not rudeness towards brothers

        Rudeness - to demand "brotherhood" after repeated statements about the need to completely abandon the machines MZKT.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 30 March 2016 10: 49
          +7
          Prepayment is a normal commercial requirement.
          But the rejection of the MZKT is a normal concern for the security of the military-industrial complex. Tomorrow Old Man will rush to kiss the Polish misters and Smoked, as in Ukraine, so what? Turn off arms production? No, it's time to lay straws.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 12
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            But rejection of the MZKT is also a normal concern for the security of the military-industrial complex.

            Come on, here the only concern is the commercial interests of KamAZ ...

            Remember "Carapace". Three types of chassis, MAN, BAZ, KamAZ. The first two can use cannon weapons on the move. But we chose ... right, KamAZ.
            1. Olezhek
              Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 26
              +6
              Come on, here the only concern is the commercial interests of KamAZ ...


              No, the base for weapons must be done in Russia
              And then it happens that - and remain without complexes With 400
              and dad will reason - that they themselves are to blame ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 32
                +4
                Quote: Olezhek
                No, the base for weapons must be done in Russia

                Damn, BAZ is Bryansk. And Bryansk is Russia.
                1. Olezhek
                  Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 36
                  +4
                  Damn, BAZ is Bryansk. And Bryansk is Russia.


                  Agree
                  And Minsk is not really Russia ... crying
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 38
                    +1
                    And why then BAZ was almost brought to death? Didn't know the geography?
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 30 March 2016 11: 35
              +2
              I have nothing against KamAZ. And I certainly do not want our Shells to be installed on the basis of MAN. I support the domestic manufacturer, especially in the context of sanctions.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 40
                0
                Quote: Pereira
                I have nothing against KamAZ. And I certainly don't want our Armor to be installed on the MAN base.

                How do you gracefully "forgot" about the Bryansk "Voshchina", which was thrown despite the fact that it is preferable for the location of this complex.
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 30 March 2016 11: 43
                  0
                  I didn’t forget anything, because until now I didn’t know anything about Voshchin, I hadn’t heard, read or seen its products on the roads. Wax is what? Is it a competitor of KAMAZ and MAN?


                  Searched in Yandex.

                  Wax
                  wax, honeycomb, wax layer - serves in the hive to fold the stock of honey collected by the bees and remove the children. It consists of thin wax plates vertically arranged parallel to each other, on the both sides of which are placed regular hexagonal cells made of wax, which are tightly adjacent to each other. Large cells - 1 / 4 inches wide - drone prepared before digging; smaller - in 1 / 5 inches - working bees; the uterine cell has the shape of a large acorn with a hole facing downwards and is placed on the edge of the honeycomb bed or near the hole left in the cell to transfer the bees from one side of the bed to the other.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 53
                    +7
                    Fighting vehicle ZRPK "Pantsir-C1" on the chassis BAZ-6909-019
                    1. Pereira
                      Pereira 30 March 2016 12: 06
                      -2
                      I'm not an expert, I won’t lie. But this base seems to me more compact, more maneuverable and passable. KAMAZ won the Paris-Dakar rally more than once. Did BAZ participate there?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 30 March 2016 12: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Pereira
                        I'm not an expert, I won't lie. But this base seems to me more compact, more maneuverable and passable.

                        And at the same time, it does not provide for the use of artillery weapons on the move.
                      2. Pereira
                        Pereira 30 March 2016 12: 10
                        0
                        Then the KAMAZ base simply would not have been chosen. And the Brazilians would not buy.
                        So your statement is doubtful.
                      3. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 30 March 2016 13: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade

                        And at the same time, it does not provide for the use of artillery weapons on the move.

                        Against whom should "Pantsir" use weapons on the move?
                        "Pantsir" is not a military air defense system. This is the self-defense air defense system of the positions of the air defense missile system DD from the country's air defense system.

                        If the enemy suddenly attacks the S-400 air defense battalion on the march (and so suddenly that there is no time to stop the "Carapaces"), this means that the air defense system is left with horns and legs, and the northern fur-bearing animal is already rubbing against its legs.
                    2. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 30 March 2016 12: 11
                      +5
                      Quote: Pereira
                      KAMAZ won the Paris-Dakar rally more than once

                      The rally KAMAZ has practically nothing to do with the serial, we have already chewed it a hundred times here.
                    3. Pereira
                      Pereira 30 March 2016 13: 12
                      +1
                      So what? Technologies are not used in any way?
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 30 March 2016 12: 10
                +3
                Quote: Pereira
                I searched for Voshchina in Yandex

                Also look for: hyacinth, acacia, tulip, carnation, cornflower .. well, and so on ..

                Hike, learn a lot fellow
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 30 March 2016 13: 13
                  +1
                  True? I’ll definitely look.
                2. cap
                  cap 30 March 2016 13: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: Pereira
                  I searched for Voshchina in Yandex

                  Also look for: hyacinth, acacia, tulip, carnation, cornflower .. well, and so on ..

                  Hike, learn a lot fellow

                  Quote: Pereira
                  True? I’ll definitely look.



                  Thank you for the pleasure, two pluses for the humor good
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 30 March 2016 09: 55
    +5
    Quote: aszzz888
    Pushed the Bellorus aside

    Nobody pushed anyone aside:
    "... the reason for the transition to Russian tractors is the sharp increase in internal and external orders for the S-400 complexes"
    But they hinted transparently.
  • Simon
    Simon 30 March 2016 10: 06
    +1
    What is there to do? If Belarusians start to rush "here and there." This suggests that Russia has no friends, and there are only one partner who can betray.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 30 March 2016 09: 43
    +14
    "Media: wheeled chassis for the S-400 will be ordered only in Russia"
    If it’s true, then we only support. Military equipment needs to be done by ourselves. We have already made ships, planes and helicopters together with Ukraine. Factories should be in Russia. And jobs, too, should remain with us. When there were sanctions against Belarus, we did what We gave orders for their factories. And when the sanctions were against us what? Through Belarus, goods from Europe are brought to us under the brand of Belarusian manufacturers. I buy a can with seaweed and it is made in Gomel.
  • demos1111
    demos1111 30 March 2016 09: 43
    +6
    The first cut for Mzkt was from Platform O, this is the second and apparently fatal.
    Themselves are to blame in 2008, the devices had to be sold, since there was a buyer.
    1. avt
      avt 30 March 2016 09: 53
      +17
      Quote: demos1111
      Themselves are to blame in 2008, the devices had to be sold, since there was a buyer.

      But Father could have broken through really favorable conditions like a holding company at the level of GDP, with the subsequent ordering of budget financing, but the habit of agreeing to jump back and demand more failed. Such a sexual intercourse in his dance, well, the campaign got everyone, and if you consider that he really declared that he was not aware of the creation of a Russian airbase, which Shoigu PUBLIC announced under the video ....... request Deliciously publicly spat in the face of the main holder of the budget line, and now they say buy my cars !? wassatWhat did he want to get something else ???
  • Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 09: 44
    +10
    And Minsk dwellers demand a 100% prepayment for work, while not guaranteeing us the deadlines for fulfilling the order

    But this is popularly called "biting the hand that feeds you"
    Even worse for Minskers, that this hand is the only one!
    Apparently, in the wake of MAZ, the MZKT will soon be bent ...
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 30 March 2016 09: 50
      +5
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      And Minsk dwellers demand a 100% prepayment for work, while not guaranteeing us the deadlines for fulfilling the order

      But this is popularly called "biting the hand that feeds you"
      Even worse for Minskers, that this hand is the only one!
      Apparently, in the wake of MAZ, the MZKT will soon be bent ...

      MAZ will not bend, it has a wide range of civil orders. The decision to load BAZ's capacities is correct.
      pisi:
      But in spite of everything, the Belarusians are still great, they didn’t take away their production on nuts like Ukrainians. Only the hearts of the hearts do not understand that this is mainly the merit of one person - Lukashenka. How do not scold him,
      and he keeps his country clearly, not like a gold-loaf thief ...
      1. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 10: 06
        +2
        The decision to use BAZ capacities is correct

        Have you seen me write the opposite somewhere?
        MAZ will not bend, it has a wide range of civil orders

        Look for calculations on the dynamics of production, profits, etc. (no offense, I'm too lazy to look, so I would have led winked ) Pay particular attention to the dynamics from the middle / end of the 2014 year, when the ruble depreciated. Discover a lot of interesting things for yourself. hi
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 30 March 2016 12: 11
        +6
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        How do not scold him,
        and he keeps his country clearly

        The fat years are over and the Belarusian economic miracle has no money in Russia. And in fact Lukashenka is doing what our Ukrainian non-brothers were not allowed to do. To supply European goods to the Russian market by smuggling, duty-free. Shrimps, pistachios and other native Belarusian products. So Batko is a pure smuggler.
    2. Snow
      Snow 30 March 2016 10: 00
      +4
      Well, because such a small country cannot have heavy engineering! She does not physically need it: where do they need so many tractors, diesel locomotives, trucks ..
      Join Russia and live happily ever after.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 10: 33
        +4
        Quote: Snow
        Join Russia and live happily ever after.

        And Daddy instead of LADIES! But who will go for it? LADY 100 poods will not agree. laughing
        1. BOB48
          BOB48 30 March 2016 13: 18
          +2
          hi yes direct hit!!!!!
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 March 2016 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      Even worse for Minskers, that this hand is the only one!

      Uh ... the only one? 8))))))))

      I'm afraid you are completely wrong.
      1. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 10: 38
        +3
        I'm afraid you are completely wrong.

        Oh sorry! As many as 10% are not Russian customers!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 10: 46
          0
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          Oh sorry! As many as 10% are not Russian customers!

          Pasha, even if you are right, is the union of Belarus too high a price? (Chechnya is more expensive) Daddy made many contradictory statements, but NEVER really betrayed. Even after "our" near-Kremlin businessmen tried to throw Belarusians. hi
          1. Rokossovsky
            Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 10: 54
            +1

            Pasha, even if you are right, is the alliance of Belarus too expensive?

            Igor, fear God! Have I even written a word about what is against alliance ?! wink
          2. Your friend
            Your friend 30 March 2016 11: 06
            +5
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Pasha, even if you are right, is the union of Belarus too high a price? (Chechnya is more expensive) Old Man made many contradictory statements, but NEVER really betrayed.

            An excellent definition of an ally is someone who has never betrayed. Trinidat-and-Tobago is our excellent ally - they have never betrayed us, and Mauritius is indeed our best ally, not only has it NEVER been betrayed, but they are also going to introduce a visa-free regime,
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Even after "our" near-Kremlin businessmen tried to throw Belarusians.

            Examples of when they threw Belarus, you can certainly bring it?
            1. avt
              avt 30 March 2016 11: 09
              +4
              Quote: Your friend
              An excellent definition of an ally is someone who has never betrayed. Trinidat-and-Tobago is our excellent ally - they have never betrayed us, and Mauritius is indeed our best ally, not only has it NEVER been betrayed, but they are also going to introduce a visa-free regime,

              And Vanuatu in general recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia! Brothers forever! ?? laughing
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 11: 50
              +3
              Quote: Your friend
              Examples of when they threw Belarus, you can certainly bring it?

              I wrote "tried". "Uralkali", an attempt to squeeze out the gas transportation system of Belarus (with the support of top officials of the state).
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 02
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Your friend
                Examples of when they threw Belarus, you can certainly bring it?

                I wrote "tried". "Uralkali", an attempt to squeeze out the gas transportation system of Belarus (with the support of top officials of the state).

                Ahhh, well, I just knew that Russia hadn’t "squeezed out" anything from Belarus, this is all your trololo.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 14: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Your friend
                  it's all your trololo.

                  In order not to look like Khil yourself, try to rummage through the archives.
                  Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister of Russia:
                  - At the same time, we agree that the Russian company Gazprom acquires all 100 percent of Beltrasgaz, that is, the gas transportation system ... of Ukraine, I beg your pardon, Belarus.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 March 2016 10: 48
          +3
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          Oh sorry! As many as 10% are not Russian customers!

          What year was that? In 2005, even before the start of the "effective managers" of RosTech?

          By the way, BAZ was in the financial ass, too, through their fault.
          1. Rokossovsky
            Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 10: 59
            +3
            What year was that? In 2005, even before the start of the "effective managers" of RosTech?

            I understand that you do not deny that the games took place?
            And also the fact that MAZ, like BAZ, is experiencing serious problems?
            At MAZ, by the way, workers from 2010 do not know what it means to work more than 14 days per month!
            And I think you will not deny the fact that if the Russian Federation will remove its orders (90% of the total package), then MWTP will not survive?
            1. Olezhek
              Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 22
              +5
              At MAZ, by the way, workers from 2010 do not know what it means to work more than 14 days per month!
              And I think you will not deny the fact that if the Russian Federation will remove its orders (90% of the total package), then MWTP will not survive?


              It’s not realistic to have one sales market - Russia and keep the plant behind you. Russia is not interested. And that’s it.
              And MZTK will not survive with such an "effective manager". Rocket tractors must be supplied with a 100% guarantee and no games are allowed here.
              So only in Russia
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 35
                0
                Quote: Olezhek
                And MZTK will not survive with such an "effective manager".

                It will just survive. Because the state. support allowed him to greatly expand the range of manufactured equipment and interest other customers, primarily China.
                1. Rokossovsky
                  Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 11: 55
                  +4
                  and interest other customers, primarily China

                  What is it that China became interested in there, besides the supply of missiles for Polonaise?
                  Tell Lopatov, is at least one contract for the supply of Polonez signed?
                  Do you seriously think that the PLA will purchase Belarusian MLRS when they have a dime a dozen of their developments ?!
                  Your "90%" is not true, it was 10 years ago

                  Information for 2015 year
                  the Polonaise program will more than block Russian purchases

                  Well, you write to me when they are the first 200 Polonez vparim someone! wink
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Rokossovsky
                    Information for 2015 year

                    Give me a link ...
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 27
              +1
              Quote: Rokossovsky
              I understand that you do not deny that the games took place?

              Certainly. Due to the undercover activities of Rostec and KamAZ managers, BAZ is experiencing serious problems.

              Quote: Rokossovsky
              And I think you will not deny the fact that if the Russian Federation will remove its orders (90% of the total package), then MWTP will not survive?

              How will he survive. I already hinted to you that the MZKT has been solving this problem for a long time, and your "90%" does not correspond to reality, it was 10 years ago ... The Belarusian-Chinese program for "Polonaises" alone will more than block Russian purchases.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 30 March 2016 11: 48
                +3
                Quote: Spade
                The Belarusian-Chinese program for Polonaises alone will more than block Russian purchases.

                Great? When, well, when will the Polonaises go into service with the countries of the world?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Your friend
                  Great? When, well, when will the Polonaises go into service with the countries of the world?

                  Seriously. The Chinese are putting pressure on us in the MLRS market very qualitatively.
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Your friend
                    Great? When, well, when will the Polonaises go into service with the countries of the world?

                    Seriously. The Chinese are putting pressure on us in the MLRS market very qualitatively.

                    I understand that they are being pressured, but this has nothing to do with my question. So when will the Polonaises go into service with the countries of the world? Well, to "more than block Russian purchases."
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 30 March 2016 12: 06
                      0
                      Type in the search engine "MZKT Volat", you will understand a lot.
                      1. Your friend
                        Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 20
                        +4
                        Quote: Spade
                        Type in the search engine "MZKT Volat", you will understand a lot.

                        Thank you, I already understood a lot when you did not answer for your words. Once:
                        So when will the Polonaises go into service with the countries of the world? Well, to "more than block Russian purchases."
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 30 March 2016 12: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Your friend
                        Thank you, I already understood a lot when you did not answer for your words.


                        What for? Trolling would-be patriots is so cool ... fellow
                      3. Your friend
                        Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Your friend
                        Thank you, I already understood a lot when you did not answer for your words.


                        What for? Trolling would-be patriots is so cool ... fellow

                        Troll? Talk nonsense and lie, is it called trolling? And like an adult.)))
                      4. Olezhek
                        Olezhek 30 March 2016 13: 18
                        +1
                        А
                        what for? It’s so cool

                        Are you the site wrong?
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 14: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Olezhek
                        Are you the site wrong?

                        He was not wrong. The person is VERY well versed in artillery. And not only from books.
                        And trolling uryakalok is really cool, only sad from the understanding that many have pink glasses on the floor of their faces. China really stepped forward in the development of MLRS, and copied a lot from us. And don't bother buying patents.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 15: 05
                    0
                    Quote: Your friend
                    So when will the Polonaises go into service with the countries of the world? Well, to "more than block Russian purchases."

                    China only since 2000 increased the volume of arms sales 8 (!) times. And we are only 20%. Think about the prospects that way.
                    http://svspb.net/sverige/eksport-vooruzhenija.php
                  3. Rokossovsky
                    Rokossovsky 30 March 2016 15: 50
                    +2
                    I apologize to Igor, but in the morning I read the article about the MLRS Polonaise and it does not say a word that the PLA are planning to purchase this system. It is only about delivering missiles to Belarus (A-200, CASC developer)
                    So far, Polonaise has been testing piece installations with uncertain prospects.
                    This phrase of yours is not quite clear:
                    China only with 2000. increased weapons sales by 8 (!) times. And we are only at 20%. So think about the prospects

                    What does Chinese arms export have to do with the MZKT?
                    Above the dispute turned around the topic that the company will not be able to replace Russian orders, even if it tries, for sure in the medium term! Even if the Polonaise infa is true, it is very doubtful that Belarusian gunsmiths will be able to stamp on the 200 MLRS per year, and even more so sell them to someone! It is about the 200 chassis that is now being delivered for the needs of the RF Ministry of Defense.
                    Option with China, I do not even consider. There is enough of their good for the eyes!
                    Yours! hi
                    Link to the article: http: //bmpd.livejournal.com/1301752.html? Thread = 104302584
                  4. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 March 2016 21: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Rokossovsky
                    What does Chinese arms export have to do with the MZKT?

                    China needs volume, and that's what it is designed for.
                    We are talking only about the supply of missiles to the Belarusians (A-200, developed by CASC)
                    hi
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 March 2016 09: 45
    +2
    Comrades are on the right course!
    And the Belarusians are a big bummer, 100 chassis and prospects ... I'm afraid they will persuade ours on different terms.
  • Dr. Lecturer
    Dr. Lecturer 30 March 2016 09: 48
    +12
    All these brothers are already tired of them. There is money, braaaatya. There is no money, there are no brothers. All our lives we owe them something. And onions, both yours and ours. I generally keep quiet about the hoolics.
  • Vanek
    Vanek 30 March 2016 09: 50
    +4
    ten? 10? sixteen? axes. 12! and respectively 16 wheels. The USSR is a country of wheeled monsters. MZKT, and in my opinion it was called "Celina".
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 30 March 2016 10: 37
      +4
      "MAZ-7907. The perspective is not the most successful, does not convey all the enormity, it was obstructed by other cars. 30 meters long (the height of a nine-story building), all 24 four wheels are driving. A ballistic missile of the Celina-2 complex was to be mounted on it. While the tests were going on, The Cold War ended, and the only thing that this monster managed to do ten years after its construction, in 1995, was to transport a 40-meter and 100-ton ship from Borisov to Lake Naroch. "

      Here.
      1. Kachesgm
        Kachesgm 30 March 2016 14: 04
        0
        Interestingly, after unloading in a reservoir on the way back, all the chassis electric motors failed. I can't understand, how did you not think about it in advance? The whole chassis was destroyed. There were only 2 of them.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 30 March 2016 09: 53
    +6
    Well, about 100% advance payment, as an excuse to abandon the Minsk tractors, he is lying, of course - they did not give our plant to buy this and did not want to place our aviation base. That's all. In addition, recently, in revenge, the Belarusians already wanted to buy out BAZ, but Antey was in a hurry and bought this plant himself. So friendship is friendship, but the seeds of such a strategic plan are apart.
  • Phosgene
    Phosgene 30 March 2016 10: 01
    +5
    That's right, you need to place orders in Russia and hire the indigenous population, and not come in large numbers to Russia, not grateful. Russophobic foreign hamlo and not to feed foreign countries at the expense of Russia. An independent state should live at its own expense, and not at the expense of the Russian Federation
  • askort154
    askort154 30 March 2016 10: 02
    +6
    It is very "brotherly" to live on our regular loans, and demand from us a "one hundred percent" advance payment, to let through ourselves the smuggling of sanctioned goods. So we ended up with a "donut hole".
  • Snow
    Snow 30 March 2016 10: 06
    0
    one more argument to annex Belarus to Russia
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 March 2016 10: 27
      0
      Another argument against?

      "Gas Wars" in order to get the Belarusian gas transportation system
      "Milk Wars" in order to get Belarusian dairies
      "Machine wars" in order for RosTech to adjust the MZKT, "Integral" and "Peleng"

      And then stormy surprise over the fact that the majority of Belarusians are against joining the Russian Federation.
      1. avt
        avt 30 March 2016 10: 42
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        "Gas Wars" in order to get the Belarusian gas transportation system

        Well, yes, well, yes .... It was necessary in Belarus as well as in Ukraine - to just give gas from the pipe to steal? Nothing that he got inside Russian prices under the agreement on corporatization with Gazprom?
        Quote: Spade
        "Machine wars" in order for RosTech to adjust the MZKT for itself,

        Quote: ruskih
        A year ago there was such an article
        Belarus will not sell MZKT to Russian merchants
        Читать полностью: http://naviny.by/rubrics/economic/2015/03/28/ic_articles_113_188563/

        In short, Batskin's sexual perversion in this matter is described quite accurately. I practically agreed with him on the holding, and this is not a purchase with giblets by Rostec - his interest was taken into account within reasonable limits, but he, according to his habit, decided that once we agreed, then we can throw sending on .... Kukui, well, in the German settlement in ancient Moscow wassat и
        “But this is a state-owned enterprise. And I would like it to retain its form of ownership. But for this it is necessary to break through to new markets without losing old ones, ”Lukashenka stressed.
        Yj But the fish cannot be eaten, the hike will have to be hungry for ... a cue to sit down and read the fairy tale "About the fisherman and the fish" where the consequences of the application to be made the "Mistress of the sea" are clearly described and he will live in the okiyane-sea, and everything will be on the parcels.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 March 2016 10: 58
          0
          Quote: avt
          Well, yes, well, yes .... It was necessary in Belarus as well as in Ukraine - to just give gas from the pipe to steal?

          Did they steal? Not. But the shutdown of gas on New Year's Eve in the absence of the possibility of supplies from other sources is a fact.


          Quote: avt
          In short Batskino's sexual perversion in this matter is painted quite accurately.

          Gee ... RosTech was going to buy MZKT, pump out technologies and rot the enterprise. Otherwise, the task set by RosTech is to build a KamAZ for the state. the expense of the plant for the production of heavy multi-axle machines will result in only losses and cuts.
          For the same reason, BAZ spread rot and actually drove it into a financial hole.

          "Sexual perversion" is not to resist this.
          1. avt
            avt 30 March 2016 11: 06
            +6
            Quote: Spade
            But the shutdown of gas on New Year's Eve in the absence of the possibility of supplies from other sources is a fact.

            Fact ... why? Batskino - "Give them all the money, they are so poor with such oil prices" Does anything come to mind? Well, in terms of payment for supplied hydrocarbons and interest on loans received? to live according to the principle “yours is mine and mine is mine”, and when asked “Where is the money?” he immediately cuts in with a locomotive siren, “Don't bend us down! I don’t trade suvaryanitet! "When he is not only asked to pay off with money, but simply to show political loyalty. Well, here is a foul gazpadar, the owner of his state plant, here is how something CAM and
            Quote: avt
            “But this is a state-owned enterprise. And I would like it to retain its form of ownership. But for this it is necessary to break through to new markets without losing old ones, ”Lukashenka stressed.

            Like the kid said, the kid - do it. Keep the old markets ... if you have anything.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 30
              -1
              Quote: avt
              Like the kid said, the kid - do it. Keep the old markets ... if you have anything.

              Just as it is.
              After all, we have already discussed this ...


              Quote: avt
              But father at "sayuznam state" decided to live independently according to the principle "yours is mine and mine is mine"

              Has no right. Only the Kremlin is allowed to do this.
              1. avt
                avt 30 March 2016 11: 59
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Just as it is.
                After all, we have already discussed this ...

                Who is against it? Upyarot and with a song.
                Quote: Spade
                Has no right. Only the Kremlin is allowed to do this.

                And with what such joy should he be provided with a folding chair from the throne in the Kremlin? Gapadar at Minsk? That's where the rudders are, well, if you can even on an equal footing with GDP, but if you can, and the rest is all fairy tales about equality.
          2. Olezhek
            Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 17
            +3
            RosTech was going to buy MZKT, deflate technology and sgnob enterprise


            Where does this come from? Speculation? Suspicions?
          3. Your friend
            Your friend 30 March 2016 11: 23
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Gee ... RosTech was going to buy MZKT, pump out technologies and rot the enterprise. ...

            What nonsense ??? Old Man refused to buy MZKT last year.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 37
              -2
              Tell me how long he refused to sell the Belarusian GTS. And how many "gas wars" did it take to "persuade" him?
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 30 March 2016 11: 59
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                Tell me how long he refused to sell the Belarusian GTS.

                Those. about the fact that "RosTech was going to buy MZKT, pump out technologies and rot the enterprise" - you lied. Got it.)))
                Quote: Spade
                And how many "gas wars" did it take to "persuade" him?

                Aaaaa, i.e. the fact that Belarus did not pay for gas is an evil Russian slander. Well, I knew it. Probably, and Ukraine in vain offended when they were tyril gas. Yes, the Russian Federation is just some kind of evil empire.
              2. askort154
                askort154 30 March 2016 12: 12
                +4
                Lopatov .... Tell me how long he refused to sell the Belarusian GTS. And how many "gas wars" did it take to "persuade" him?

                Well, if you do not go into the dates, but on top of it. That is, Gazprom has been trying for several years to regain control of both the Ukrainian and Belarusian gas transportation systems in order to monitor their maintenance and safety itself. This was what the EU also wanted (though they realized it later). But Ukraine is still opposed.
                Lukashenka also opposed until the last elections. When on the eve of the elections
                made populist price cuts and flew hard, dropping bunnies. I rushed to Russia, "save", I urgently need a loan or I need a "khan". Here he was told, no problem, we have a loan - you are the GTS. That was the end of the batskin "gas war".
  • guzik007
    guzik007 30 March 2016 10: 07
    +4
    They are not doing very well anyway, but here it is ... Inflation is wild along the way. I flew to Minsk last week. In the hotel, they asked for one and a half rubles per room. Almost precipitated. Then it turned out-Belarusian rubles. And then I felt like a millionaire!: =)
  • Arkan
    Arkan 30 March 2016 10: 13
    +3
    Media: wheel chassis for C-400 will be ordered only in Russia

    It is high time! Only complete independence from imports in the defense sector can guarantee Russia its defense capability at the highest level.
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 30 March 2016 10: 20
    +2
    There was a plant of wheeled tractors in Kurgan, now it is no longer. They produced armored personnel carriers and tractors. The machine-building plant, the only plant for the production of infantry fighting vehicles, is going bankrupt.
  • ruskih
    ruskih 30 March 2016 10: 20
    +7
    A year ago there was such an article
    Belarus will not sell MZKT to Russian merchants
    Читать полностью: http://naviny.by/rubrics/economic/2015/03/28/ic_articles_113_188563/
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 15
      +2
      That is going to close?
      Destroy everything just would not get Russian?
      Notable strategy!
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 30 March 2016 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: Olezhek

        Destroy everything just would not get Russian?
        Notable strategy!

        Killer logic.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 30 March 2016 10: 35
    +5
    ""The official reason for the transition to Russian tractors is the sharp increase in internal and external orders for the S-400 complexes""...

    Most likely (which they do not want to talk about out loud), the main reason is Lukashenka's inappropriate behavior, and by the way, even specifically regarding the sale of Belarusian tractors ...

    I waited all the time when they would switch to domestic tractors ... Now, God forbid, the Bryansk and KAMAZ workers of both capacities, skills, and orders ...
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 14
      +4
      Most likely (they don’t want to talk about it out loud), the main reason is Lukashenko’s inappropriate behavior, and by the way, specifically even regarding the sale of Belarusian tractors.


      Well, dearly played out, dear comrade.
      I wonder how he will explain this attitude to the workers of the MZTK: he bargained, bargained and negotiated?
      And it’s not Putin who is responsible to the Minsk workers, but just dear Comrade Lukashenko.
      Orders only from Russia, and he quarreled with Russia ...
      And who now needs the power of this plant.
      And yes, and what did MZTK personally create Lukashenko?
  • mamont5
    mamont5 30 March 2016 10: 35
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    We must have our own production, and Old Man can wag his tail.

    And Vilnius, as has happened more than once, when it will be profitable for him. That fox ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 30 March 2016 10: 46
    +4
    Correct news.
    All military products must be produced on their own territory.
    Apparently Ukraine contributed to the adoption of such a decision by our government ...
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 30 March 2016 10: 47
    +2
    looks into GEYROPA .. so let him be a lesson .. They said that UKRAINE is an example of that .. NO SURVEYS! WELL HERE AND LET'S START!
  • ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 30 March 2016 10: 49
    +3
    Finally, the events in (in) krain teach something! Everything for the war must be produced in a country that God forbid will have to be protected from military aggression. In such a situation, no "friends and brothers" will help, but will only harm. Yes, and our industry must be raised from the ruins.
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 30 March 2016 11: 01
    +5
    I'm glad for the Bryansk plant. But our Kurgan KZKT did not survive. The plant was "optimized" by liberals, under the control of the former governor ...
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 30 March 2016 11: 17
      +4
      Dear, I read the article twice and was happy for BAZ, finally a good owner of Almaz-Antey, only Kamaz again, can provide it now, I wonder what? I don’t want to write about the lobby, but there should be competition and I think a new company will not give BAZ offense
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 30 March 2016 11: 28
        +2
        Also happy for Bryansk! yes
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 March 2016 11: 16
    0
    Whoever has seen the chassis of the S-400 MAZ? Here on the advertising brochures S-500 PU based on MAZ chassis ...
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 30 March 2016 11: 51
    +1
    Okay ... The Patriots said everything, dumped tons of guano on Belarus and Lukashenka ...
    Now, like in "What? Where? When?" correct answer:

    Belarus and MZKT have nothing to do with what is happening

    In December last year, Almaz-Antey bought 100% of the shares of the Bryansk Automobile Plant.

    laughinglaughinglaughing
    Damn, guys, I'm ashamed of you ...
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 10
      +6
      Quote: Spade
      Okay ... The Patriots said everything, dumped tons of guano on Belarus and Lukashenka ...
      Now, like in "What? Where? When?" correct answer:

      Belarus and MZKT have nothing to do with what is happening

      Since it doesn't reach you, I'll explain everything on my fingers.)))
      The Russian Federation proposed to create a joint Russian-Belarusian company, which was supposed to include MZKT. This would be beneficial to everyone, the Russian Federation would invest in the modernization of the MZKT, new jobs would appear, and sales of products would be guaranteed. Lukashenka refused. Now, instead of MZKT products, BAZ products will be used.
      And so yes, Belarus and the MZKT have nothing to do with it. (((
      Quote: Spade
      Damn, guys, I'm ashamed of you.

      You are just the conscience of this site.)))
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 30 March 2016 12: 23
        0
        Quote: Your friend
        The Russian Federation proposed to create a joint Russian-Belarusian company, which was supposed to include MZKT.

        Based on KamAZ.
        And the S-400 is produced by Almaz-Antey, which now owns BAZ, a direct competitor of KamAZ

        Explain to me on your fingers why the world's largest manufacturer of air defense systems with a huge portfolio of orders is obliged to spread rot on their enterprise?
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 30 March 2016 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Your friend
          The Russian Federation proposed to create a joint Russian-Belarusian company, which was supposed to include MZKT.

          Based on KamAZ.
          And the S-400 is produced by Almaz-Antey, which now owns BAZ, a direct competitor of KamAZ

          Explain to me on your fingers why the world's largest manufacturer of air defense systems with a huge portfolio of orders is obliged to spread rot on their enterprise?

          Chito? "The conscience of the site" shouldn't it write connected and understandable?)
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 30 March 2016 12: 47
            -1
            Quote: Your friend
            Chito? "The conscience of the site" shouldn't it write connected and understandable?)

            Is the question painfully difficult for you?
      2. Mikelanjelo
        Mikelanjelo 30 March 2016 16: 36
        0
        Forgive us Batska
  • Termit1309
    Termit1309 30 March 2016 12: 05
    +4
    Has anyone who is actively discussing this article read it?
    I will retell in three words-
    Almaz-Antey I bought BAZ and invested a lot of money in its renovation. Its - not state.
    And no matter how respected Lukashenka is, good or bad, it doesn't matter. It is important that the reason for the BAZ acquisitions was. Otherwise, they would not be so wasted. They would just buy MAZs and not steam.
    And regarding the possible increase in the cost of the chassis for the S-400, the cost of the chassis itself is very low compared to the filling. This will not scare foreign buyers away, there is already a queue.
    And the Armed Forces of Russia, a possible increase in prices is not so important in comparison with the threat of disruption of the state order.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 March 2016 12: 11
      -1
      Quote: Termit1309
      And the Armed Forces of Russia, a possible increase in prices is not so important in comparison with the threat of disruption of the state order.

      Moreover, the breakdown is not the fault of the Belarusians. And because of the financial problems of BAZ and the possibility of closing it.

      “The decision to purchase BAZ shares was made in connection with the difficult financial situation of this enterprise and was aimed at preventing the disruption of the state defense order,” Interfax quotes a statement from the press service of Almaz-Antey.


      Since 2010, part of BAZ's production facilities have been leased from Almaz-Antey.

      ------------------------

      But is it really interesting for "patriots"? They, like Ukrainian "horses", prefer to comb out the next "grievances" from Belarus.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 March 2016 14: 14
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Moreover, the breakdown is not the fault of the Belarusians. And because of the financial problems of BAZ and the possibility of closing it.

        Hmm ... in your opinion it turns out that:
        If the state defense order is under threat of failure due to the lack of the MZKT chassis, then BAZ is to blame.
        If BAZ is increasing production to replace the missing MZKT chassis and fulfill the state defense order, BAZ is again to blame.

        Somewhere in the vicinity of BAZ there are clearly ruins of a chapel ... laughing
  • pts-m
    pts-m 30 March 2016 12: 19
    +2
    But in all conscience ... it is not good for the “brother (s)” people from Belarus to warm their hands on the difficult situation in Russia.
  • frolic666
    frolic666 30 March 2016 12: 42
    +1
    No need to run into the AG. Belarus is an ally of the Russian Federation 100%. Maidan in Belarus is impossible. Pictures with paid students and BPF are funny. I saw these "zmagarou", so 20 people gathered there and then on the way from Poland.
    And the fact that AG pretends to play for 2 camps is for the sake of money, which is sorely lacking. The RF loan is not enough. Moreover, more than half of the trade turnover is with the EU, not with the Russian Federation. And that's why that the Russian Federation is trying to protect its producers to the detriment of Belarus. Those. considers RB by default.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 March 2016 13: 29
    +2
    There is nothing to lay all the eggs in one leg ...
    With ship engines flew by, with helicopter also almost flew.
    But if it had been established in Russia at one time, there would have been no such problems.
    That's the same with Belarusians. We will take them, because there will be enough orders for everyone.
    But we’ll also develop our own, so that in case of which it would be a question of enlarging production,
    not from construction and development from scratch.
  • ruskih
    ruskih 30 March 2016 13: 52
    +2
    All the guys will stop pouring dirt on Belarus. And if you are using an article, then publish the source. And it turns out information taken out of context.
    God grant that these 3 years will be enough for you for import substitution.
    link http://izvestia.ru/news/607988
  • In100gram
    In100gram 30 March 2016 15: 19
    +3
    Bryansk order. Good
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 March 2016 18: 49
    +5
    Quote: Sveles
    there is no Bandera in Belarus and there will be no Maidans


    in Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Egypt, Yugoslavia, etc., too, Bandera was not, and the revolution was with the same manuals. Each country has its own local "hero" or sacred victim of "repression" and no matter how long ago he died.

    Quote: Sveles
    this is a lie, because Belarusians are Russian


    Lukashenka doesn't think so.

    Quote: Sveles
    again you're lying, let's link

    1. Sweles
      Sweles 30 March 2016 19: 18
      0
      Quote: lopvlad
      Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Egypt, Yugoslavia, etc., too, Bandera was not, and the revolution was with the same manuals. Each country has its own local "hero" or sacred victim of "repression" and no matter how long ago he died.

      the conversation is about the Maidan i.e. about the destruction of the Russians, where does the revolution among the Arabs? are you chatting?

      Quote: lopvlad
      Lukashenka doesn't think so.


      Yes, Lukashenka was driven into a corner, then that he did not intercede for Donetsk is bad, the whole world must act against the oligarchs and their authorities, and if he decided to sit it out, then this is a wrong tactic that wasn’t eaten now. , and that's right ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 30 March 2016 19: 56
        -1
        Quote: Sveles
        the conversation is about the Maidan i.e. about the destruction of the Russians, where does the revolution among the Arabs?

        Oh how belay

        And I thought that the Maidan is a "revolution of guilt", "Ukraine is a tse of Europe" and so on ..

        But it turns out that this is the "destruction of the Russians" .. yes-a-ah ...

        Quote: Sveles
        yes lukashenka was cornered

        - loans are coming (the last one from Russia - in February of this year
        - supplies of oil, gas and others are also coming
        - seaweed, shrimps, etc. "Made in Belarus" - supplied to Russia ..

        Damn, someone would have cornered me like that laughing
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 30 March 2016 22: 10
          +2
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - loans are coming (the last one from Russia - in February of this year
          - supplies of oil, gas and others are also coming
          - seaweed, shrimps, etc. "Made in Belarus" - supplied to Russia ..



          Now wholesale consignments of Belarusian peaches in a jamb of trucks go to Russia. In Belarus, the heat is ripe :). Lukashenko and his ally are worthless and no business partner (re-export of sanctioned goods through their territory to Russia).
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 30 March 2016 20: 46
    +2
    Of course, I feel sorry for the Belarusians, but in order to survive the crisis, you need to load your enterprises to the maximum.