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In pursuit of Soviet reliability

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Asian countries actively cooperate with Israel on weapons modernization programs.


The operation of the VKS RF in Syria clearly demonstrated the role of modern weapons and military equipment. There are few manufacturers in the world whose military-technical products can compete with American or Russian ones. Israel belongs to this category of countries.

It competes with leading manufacturers in their traditional markets - with Russia in India and Vietnam, with the USA - in South Korea. Consider, on the basis of the materials of an expert from IBV, M. V. Kazanin, what is happening in the sphere of military-technical cooperation of Israel with its Asian partners.

Vietnam: from “Galil” to “Spike”

The pilot project of the Israeli and Vietnamese MTC was the Z111 factory built in Thanh Hoa for the licensed production of Galil ACE automatic assault rifles, versions 31 and 32 armory IWI Ltd. The contract value amounted to $ 100 million.

The prerequisite was the positive results of trial operation from the 2011 of the year in subdivisions of the Armed Forces of Vietnam of such small-scale weapons produced in Israel, such as Tavor-TN-21 "Tavor" assault rifle, "Uzi" submachine gun, "Neador" grenade launcher. Hanoi acquires these weapons and military equipment samples for the ground forces and special forces units of the naval infantry.

The military-political leadership of the NRW monitors the experience of operating the Israeli UAVs Heron and Searcher Mk.2 in the squadron of the Indian Navy (located at the naval base "Tamil Nadu").

The interest of the Vietnamese military is also caused by the Spike NLOS anti-tank guided missile, which makes it possible to destroy enemy armored vehicles at a distance of 25 kilometers, which is considerably longer than the range of American, European, Russian and Chinese anti-tank missiles. Spike NLOS has one drawback: weight - 70 kilograms, which makes it installed on a mobile (car, helicopter) carrier.

The Israeli company IMI delivered the first batch of high-precision munitions of the EXTRA and ACCULAR series for mobile launchers of the LAR-160 MLRS, which are equipped with the 685 rocket and artillery battalion of the fourth naval district of the NRW. The area of ​​responsibility of this military unit is the Nansha archipelago in the waters of the South China Sea.

Performance characteristics of jet ammunition of the EXTRA series: caliber - 306 millimeters, range - 150 kilometers, deviation from the target - 10 meters, weight of the warhead - 120 kilograms. Launchers of this MLRS are mounted on a cargo truck platform in an amount from two to 16.

ACCULAR series ammunition performance: caliber - 160 millimeters, range - 40 kilometers, deviation from the target - 10 meters, weight of the warhead - 35 kilograms. Israeli gunsmiths say about the long shelf life of ammunition without compromising their reliability.

Chinese experts note that Hanoi’s selection of Israeli MLRS for coastal artillery and missile forces cannot be considered optimal, since Russian Tornado-G caliber 122 millimeters have a comparable range of fire and large ammunition.

According to the SRV media reports, for the needs of the country's air defense units in Israel, the SPYDER anti-aircraft missile systems (one control vehicle and six mobile launchers) are acquired, which include Python-5 and Derby missiles.

The height of these missiles varies from 20 to 9000 meters, and the range is from one to 15 kilometers. They allow the destruction of aerodynamic targets (helicopters, UAVs) at short and medium range, which seriously complements the capabilities of the anti-aircraft artillery (23-mm and 35-mm) air defense.

Thanks to contacts with Israeli companies Rafael and Elta, Hanoi began to create its own missile defense system. To ensure its stable operation, several EL / M 2106 ATAR three-dimensional airborne radar stations were acquired, as well as EL / M-2084 MMR radar stations that are part of the Iron Dome missile defense system. The Vietnamese version of this complex allows you to intercept ballistic targets at a distance of 35 and an altitude of 16 kilometers.

Vietnamese experts emphasize the high resistance of the mentioned Israeli radar to interference, as well as the possibility of creating a single network of information processing when connected with the identification of "friend or foe" and communication stations.

Israeli experts recognize that it is rather difficult to gain a place on the arms market in those countries that for several decades received Soviet weapons and military equipment with high reliability. Obviously, with increasing tensions in the South China Sea, the military and technical cooperation of Israel and Vietnam will continue with the expansion of its directions. Hanoi closely monitors the cooperation of enterprises of the Israeli military-industrial complex with India and Korea.

India: both in friendship, and in special service


Israeli military-industrial complex became the fourth supplier of weapons and military equipment for New Delhi. At present, the level of mutual understanding between states is so high that Tel Aviv trusts Indian rocket engineers to launch reconnaissance satellites into orbit. The importance of Israeli developments is due in this case to the need to preserve the military-strategic balance with the PRC.

In pursuit of Soviet reliability


In 2015, the Indian Air Force adopted airplanes (according to unofficial data - four) of early warning and action control aviation G550, built by Elta, a member of IAI Corporation, on the basis of Embraer 145 civilian aircraft. They allow you to monitor the air situation for nine hours without refueling, but their main disadvantage is attachment to the airfield, since the radar equipment does not allow observation beyond a large sector of airspace.

To increase the Air Force’s ability to detect air targets and coordinate aviation operations, New Delhi allocated over three billion dollars in contracts for contracts with Israeli suppliers in 2016 in the year. Provision is made for the supply of the Indian Air Force of three sets of equipment for the Far-Range Radar Review and Control System (AEW) of Phalcon. The probable cost of the contract is 370 million dollars. The system will be mounted on Russian IL-76.

Note that in 90, Israeli experts have gained experience installing complex equipment in the People's Republic of China, where they have carried out modernization of Russian DRLOI A-50 aircraft. At the same time, modern Israeli radar stations and equipment make it possible to stably detect, identify, and track over 200 targets at the same time, at a distance of 800 kilometers and more.

In great demand among the Indian military UAVs are Israeli-made. It is known that in 2013, IAI received an order for Heron 15 reconnaissance drones (contract value 250 million dollars) with an option for 20 units, and in 2015 the Indian military contracted 10 BLA Heron TR (also Eitan equipped with a diesel engine) , flight duration - up to 37 hours). Probably, the Indian Air Force also acquired eight Searcher Mk.2 UAVs.

IAI, in collaboration with the Indian company Alfa, produces mini-class UAVs (Bird-Eye 650, weight - 30 kilograms) and Micro (Bird-Eye 400, weight - 1,2 kilograms). Israeli company Innocom for the needs of the Navy and the Air Force of India delivers Micro-class UAVs (Spider, weight - 2,5 kilogram and Bluebird, weight - one kilogram). The total value of contracts for these devices - 1,25 billion dollars.

Among other things, Israeli defense concerns are helping Indian designers to create their own weapons and military equipment models. So, Rafael specialists took an active part in the development of the Debi missile (air-to-air, medium range, active radar and infrared guidance). Corporation IAI provided radar with an active phased antenna array EL / M-2052 (it has proven itself well on the F-16 fighter jets). It was IAI that assisted Indian designers in building the Dhruv light helicopter: it provided electrical systems, instruments, sights and weapon systems.

To arm the bomber and fighter aviation units of the Indian Air Force, Rafael has acquired Spice-2013 high-precision aircraft munitions from 250. They are equipped with four guidance systems (satellite, inertial, laser and television), which guarantees the destruction of the infrastructure of terrorists, even in dense urban areas. The weight of 250 kilograms and high accuracy allow arming MiG-29 type aircraft with such ammunition and bombing at a considerable distance from objects (up to 100 kilometers). The only negative is the high cost compared to free-fall and adjustable bombs.

To enhance the capabilities of the Su-30MKI, MiG-29 and other fighters in the fight against ground targets, the Indian Air Force purchased from Israel 164 container systems for laser and optical guidance.

For the needs of the air defense units of the Air Force and the naval air defense of the Navy, Barak-8 anti-aircraft missile systems (Barak-NG) are regularly acquired. The complexes allow you to stably hit aerial aerodynamic targets at a distance of 70 kilometers.

IAI and Rafael corporations, in cooperation with Indian Bharat Dynamics, Tata Power SE and Larse & Toubro, manufacture mobile versions of the Barak-8 air defense system for ground forces, and also conduct R&D projects over promising medium and long-range air defense systems. The contracts are worth $ 1,5 billion.

To detect the launches of the BR and to provide guidance to the interceptor missiles, Israeli-made Green Pine Radar is used. It was these stations that allowed the successful testing of the national Indian missile defense system. For New Delhi, this is of strategic importance. In connection with the development of rocket technologies in Pakistan and the PRC, great attention has to be paid to the formation of its own missile forces and missile defense units.

Israeli company Elbit and Indian Windward are developing a surveillance and intelligence system for fleet. The basis will be Israeli UAVs Hermes 900 and Hermes 1500. The devices will allow for long-term patrolling of maritime borders, recognition and classification of vessels. And it is believed that they will help in the confrontation with the intelligence of the PLA Navy.

With regard to the ship's air defense, we note that the Barak-8 SAMs are being installed on modern patrol and destroyers, as well as on an aircraft carrier of national construction. In addition, the Israeli military-industrial complex received a contract worth 163 million for the supply of 262 anti-ship missiles Barak-1.

For the Indian Indian units, Israeli gunsmiths supply modern anti-tank guided missile systems Spike. A contract was signed for the supply of 321 launchers and 8356 rounds to them. Israeli companies are involved in the development of 155 mm caliber ammunition for self-propelled guns, as well as missiles for guns of the Indian national tank "Arjun Mk.1."

One of the latest joint projects - "Laser Fence". It is about creating a modern system of monitoring the state border line with Pakistan.

Israeli special services MOSSAD, ShABAK and AMAN trained Indian specialists in the fight against Islamists. In the IDF special forces trained three thousand Indian soldiers. The curator of military-political cooperation is Brigadier General of the Reserve Avriel Bar-Yosef, Chief of Staff on National Security Issues at the Office of the Israeli Prime Minister.

South Korea under the "iron dome"


Among the defense partners of Israel is the Republic of Korea, which is adjacent to nuclear-missile countries such as the PRC and the DPRK. With the active work of Pyongyang on the production technologies of ICBMs capable of delivering nuclear weapons, the leadership of Kazakhstan has to look for partners in the creation of a missile defense system.

Seoul is interested in acquiring the Iron Dome by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. The South Korean military is aware of the effectiveness of the system for intercepting short-range missiles and MLRS shells. According to Israeli engineers, it will provide reliable protection for Seoul against missiles. However, it is useless when using ballistic missiles.

According to Kim Il Soo, Ambassador of Korea to Israel, the Iron Dome fully satisfies the requirements of official Seoul, since it can be deployed in conditions of high population density and with a sufficient number of interceptor missiles, it can successfully operate with a massive (up to a thousand units) enemy attack.

In 2014, the government of the Republic of Kazakhstan approved the acquisition of a complex for the formation of a missile defense system for critical facilities. The contract value is 225 million dollars.

According to the plan of South Korean strategists, Israeli developments should complement the country's air defense / missile defense system, which is formed from the Patriot PAC-2 and Patriot PAC-3 SAM systems, as well as the AN / TPY-2 X-band radar. In addition to the US stations in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, EL / M2028 Green Pine Block B, developed by specialists from Israeli companies Israel Aerospace Industries and Elta, were put into service. These radars steadily detect targets at a distance of 480 kilometers, and the maximum range is 800 kilometers. In fact, EL / M2028 Green Pine Block B allows you to monitor the airspace of the DPRK and over part of the territory of the PRC and the Russian Federation.

Two similar radars in 2012 were purchased by official Seoul for 215 million dollars. The choice is justified by the use of Strela-2 as part of the Israeli missile defense system. This technique works more stably than the American one, while complementing the Patriot 48 air defense system.

The second in importance for the defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan were the ATGM Spike NLOS. The contract value is 43 million dollars. This modification is intended for placement on helicopters, light armored vehicles and ships (boats). Allows you to hit armored facilities at a distance of 24 kilometers. High accuracy and resistance to interference are provided by the use of several guidance systems: semi-active laser, television, infrared. The Israeli Spike NLOS is able to effectively deal with the armored vehicles of both the Korean People’s Army and other more advanced tank-building countries.

According to sources, since 1998, South Korea has acquired in Israel IWT for 1,5 billion dollars. In addition to the missile defense and radar systems, this is rocket armament and equipment for F-15K fighters: Recce Lite tactical reconnaissance system, Blue Shield container navigation system, air-to-air missiles, aerial bombs.

For various reasons, the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan is shying away from purchasing more American equipment. She intends to independently develop engineering and design ideas on missile defense and missile attack warnings.

Israel and RK are collaborating with 2001 in information security. The engineers of the two countries jointly create programs for secure access, data encryption and antivirus. By 2014, the volume of investment in these works amounted to 34 million dollars, 25 projects from 132 have already been implemented and have brought 25 million profits.

Obviously, Seoul will continue to work with Israeli partners to improve the missile defense system. This is also due to the fact that, in view of the compactness of the elements of the “Iron Dome”, they can be installed on surface ships of the Navy and will ensure the protection of the naval bases and ports of South Korea.

It should be noted that from the point of view of the national security of the Russian Federation, the supply of Israel’s weapons and military equipment to India and Vietnam, especially to Korea, which throughout its stories entered the sphere of influence of the United States, do not pose a threat. However, monitoring the status of weapons and military equipment markets in Asia is of fundamental importance for Russia.
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  1. D. Dan
    D. Dan April 2 2016 01: 06
    +7
    After all, the small state of Israel, and is constantly fighting and living is not easy, but in terms of weapons, something can!
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 2 2016 01: 13
      +10
      it can protect itself soldier
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb April 2 2016 01: 13
      +7
      Quote: D. Dan
      in terms of weapons, something can!

      And it’s still very softly said
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 2 2016 04: 36
      +9
      Quote: D. Dan
      After all, the small state of Israel, and constantly fighting and living is not easy, however, in terms of weapons, something can!
      It is interesting - and what is the contribution to the formation and development of the Israeli military-industrial complex of one particular category of citizens - former employees of the Soviet design bureaus and research institutes?

      I ask because that at one time a great clever, polyglot, brilliant mathematical brain, my classmate and childhood friend Fimka Middelberg left for his historical homeland. I know for sure that although the modest Fimka said that at work he was designing grills for meat grinders, when they told about Soyuz-Apollo, Fimka went drunk for three days (this is Fima !!!), hugged everyone, something mumbled, then waved his hand and uttered: "Anyway, you don't know anything!" At the same time, the glasses sparkled - like a searchlight for the cruiser Aurora, and the place where he designed his meat grinders was guarded like the Kremlin. And Fimka constantly tested his meat grinders somewhere on business trips ...

      Now 10 is probably designing chariot angels. And I know for sure - Fimki chariots are the fastest and most reliable.
    4. karpah
      karpah April 2 2016 04: 41
      +10
      Interestingly, our contract for the delivery of anti-tank missiles in India was long and hard cut with Amers, but as a result they won, because in terms of characteristics Spike is superior to Javelin
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 2 2016 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: karpah
        because in terms of characteristics Spike is superior to Javelin

        Therefore, it is superior (see my comment above), which, in my opinion (no offense to our Israeli colleagues at VO hi ), The Israeli military-industrial complex completed ten classes and studied at the institute in the Soviet Union. And then there was the Ministry of Taxes and Duties somewhere in a research institute with a terrible name or was sitting in a design bureau with a number.
        1. Wiskar
          Wiskar April 2 2016 18: 39
          +5
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          studied in the Soviet Union.


          This is a famous myth. The military-industrial complex developed long before the main repatriation and by no means only by repatriates from the USSR. The fact that a lot of scientists, engineers, etc. have come from the beginning of the 90s has added a lot of talented people to the Israeli military-industrial complex, yes. But trying to say that the Israeli military-industrial complex has developed thanks to returnees from the USSR is not true.

          Read about the development of the military-industrial complex in Israel and see the reality.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 2 2016 18: 49
            +2
            Quote: Wiskar
            Read about the development of the military-industrial complex in Israel and see the reality.

            It amuses me wildly when "countries" that are less than five hundred years old on the map begin to create their own history ..

            With me, back in the 70s, a couple left the academic town .. specialists .. In the 70s, Karl laughing

            I myself was in Israel (excursion, like ..), they wanted me to go there to work (no joke nifiga), to which it was said - "not my country."

            Everyone understood everything, everything is exactly .. the ex-wife lives there .. well, and good luck to her ..

            Something like this..
            1. marshes
              marshes April 2 2016 19: 05
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              In the 70s, Karl

              Damn from this th MEMA, or like him, began to look Walking .... laughing
            2. Wiskar
              Wiskar April 2 2016 19: 28
              +4
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              It amuses me wildly when "countries" that are less than five hundred years old on the map begin to create their own history ..

              With me, back in the 70s, a couple left the academic town .. specialists .. In the 70s, Karl


              So what? Did they come and raise the Israeli military-industrial complex? wassat
              Have you come from other countries? There were few talented people in Israel?
              What is the habit of some inventing what is not? wassat



              It amuses me wildly when "countries" that are less than five hundred years old on the map begin to create their own history ..


              And it still amuses me that many people forget how the USA and the USSR used German developments and German scientists to develop their industry tongue

              Or that Pavel Sudoplatov, the head of the “C” group, created by the NKVD in 1944 to coordinate intelligence work in the field of atomic research, wrote in the book “Special Operations. Lubyanka and the Kremlin 1930-1950 years:

              ... Today, however, it is reliably known that the first Soviet atomic bomb (RDS-1) was copied to the smallest detail from the American plutonium dropped on Nagasaki ...
              1. tank64rus
                tank64rus April 2 2016 19: 58
                +2
                In military affairs, there is one industry where everything they can steal from each other. This is called military-technical cooperation.
              2. tank64rus
                tank64rus April 2 2016 19: 58
                0
                In military affairs, there is one industry where everything they can steal from each other. This is called military-technical cooperation.
            3. KaPToC
              KaPToC April 2 2016 20: 09
              +1
              As for history - the younger the state, the more ancient history it writes to itself, until recently the most ancient were the Jews, but now the Ukrainians have jumped over them.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A April 2 2016 20: 20
                +3
                Quote: KaPToC
                As for history - the younger the state, the more ancient history it writes to itself,

                That is why I always liked that Genghis Khan was recognized as a Mongol in the USSR in the 20s. And V. Yan wrote the "true" biography of Genghis Khan. In fairness, it should be noted that the biography turned out to be amazing - I took V. Yan's trilogy in childhood - sat down to read - got up when he finished reading.

                But what about - a small, but so friendly people in the 20s, and from history - only yurts across the steppe. So they came up with the "Mongol" of Genghis Khan and, at the same time, the writing system, the Mongolian state and Mongolian cities. However, with all the laughter, the Mongols are practically the only ones who over the past 25 years have not spit in our direction. And the Mongolian sheepskin coat is remembered by anyone who went to the guard at least once in the army. good And for these two circumstances figs with him - let Genghis Khan be a Mongol ... laughing
  2. vanavatny
    vanavatny April 2 2016 01: 08
    +4
    If someone quietly established military-technical cooperation with Israel on fertile Indian soil, it would have promised many joys.
    1. karpah
      karpah April 2 2016 04: 45
      +10
      Quote: vanavate
      If someone quietly established military-technical cooperation with Israel on fertile Indian soil, it would have promised many joys.



      But this will not work, unfortunately. You are a supplier of weapons to Iran, therefore Israel will not be able to transfer technologies to you that will in the future fall to our Iranian "friends". The good news is that our countries are coordinating actions in Syria
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 April 2 2016 18: 25
        0
        Quote: karpah
        therefore, Israel will not be able to transfer technology to you

        But this is not necessary. It is very useful to create many things yourself.
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny April 3 2016 20: 21
          0
          sometimes it can become a bicycle invention
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 9 2016 10: 14
        0
        I want to add, even if Israel wants to sell us some serious technology, it may face a ban on re-export of technology from the United States or Europe. Israel, including rapidly developed in technology since has access to ready-made technologies and components. Russia is excluded from such an exchange and we have to develop and produce everything ourselves. And this increases the complexity in the development and launch. But unlike the rest, we independently sell equipment and independently serve and predictably support politically friendly countries. And the fact that it is necessary to expand technological cooperation with Israel, no one doubts. Israel is a more pragmatic state than the EU and more independent than Asian tigers and without a crown on its head like the United States.
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 April 2 2016 05: 44
    +10
    Quote: D. Dan
    After all, the small state of Israel, and is constantly fighting and living is not easy, but in terms of weapons, something can!

    And not only that weapon! Living in a waterless desert, and the largest exporters of fruits and vegetables is already an achievement! Here we live among chernozems and rivers, and on counters import. Only when the time came for sanctions, counter-sanctions began to think a little about their production. But import on the shelves, full! hi Sorry off topic. hi
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx April 2 2016 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      Live in a waterless desert

      Quote: fa2998
      Here we live among chernozems and rivers

      In fairness, if we compare our conditions with the Israeli ones, then all factors must be taken into account.
      And black soil is far from all over Russia, and there are some problems with water in some places.
      Well, and most importantly - we have winter, but not in Israel.

      In general, it would be interesting to look at everything from agricultural Israel, and not just the cultivation of fruit and vegetables. How much they provide themselves with food.
      It is possible that the local agricultural sector simply has such a specialization - fruit and vegetable, and they import grain meat.
      Mb one of our Israeli comrades will share info, it would be interesting.
      1. karpah
        karpah April 2 2016 08: 08
        +4
        Milk completely self-sufficient. Israel is the leader in milk production per cow. Regarding meat, chicken, lamb is all its own, beef is partially imported. The grain is partially imported, the main supplier is Ukraine.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 2 2016 09: 36
          +5
          Over milk overproduction. Millions of liters are periodically drained into the sea so as not to bring down prices. Birds overproduction. Wheat is exported and imported. Beef is mainly imported - Argentina, Uruguay. Imported apples. hi
          1. karpah
            karpah April 2 2016 16: 08
            +3
            Oleg, most of the apples are domestic, from Galilee and the Golan Heights, make sure the nearest vegetable shop
            1. Professor
              Professor April 2 2016 19: 11
              +2
              Quote: karpah
              Oleg, most of the apples are domestic, from Galilee and the Golan Heights, make sure the nearest vegetable shop

              You are mistaken. The vast majority of apples are imported. Even American ones have a sticker on every apple.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS April 2 2016 19: 34
                +1
                Quote: karpah
                Oleg, most of the apples are domestic, from Galilee and the Golan Heights, make sure the nearest vegetable shop

                Quote: Professor
                You are mistaken. The vast majority of apples are imported.

                I wonder if the descendants of Moses will fight? belay laughing
              2. karpah
                karpah April 2 2016 21: 12
                +2
                Go and count on the stickers. There are American and Turkish varieties, but most of them are from Galilee and the Golan ... Oleg, sometimes if you made a mistake, you can admit that the tragedy will not happen and respect for you will not diminish ...
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 3 2016 07: 48
                  0
                  Quote: karpah
                  Go and count on the stickers. There are American and Turkish varieties, but most of them are from Galilee and the Golan ... Oleg, sometimes if you made a mistake, you can admit that the tragedy will not happen and respect for you will not diminish ...

                  I always admit my mistakes, but this is not the case.
                  http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4498263,00.html

                  But the worst thing is that now Chinese apples can also be brought to Israel.
                  http://www.plants.org.il/index.aspx?id=4716

                  By the way, apples from the Golan hardly went to the domestic market. They were exported to Syria, and from there to other Arab countries.
                  http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-to-transfer-12-000-tons-of-apples-from
                  -golan-to-syria-1.343127
        2. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 April 2 2016 09: 43
          +1
          Quote: karpah
          Milk completely self-sufficient. Israel is the leader in milk production per cow. Regarding meat, chicken, lamb is all its own, beef is partially imported. The grain is partially imported, the main supplier is Ukraine.

          Sorry, ++ plus Israel in your face in this case
        3. Zymran
          Zymran April 2 2016 14: 34
          +1
          Do you like lamb in Israel?
          1. marshes
            marshes April 2 2016 14: 56
            +1
            Quote: Zymran
            Do you like lamb in Israel?

            This is kosher, halal, same food. smile
            But with milk it is interesting, you need to have two refrigerators, if possible, two "Kitchens".
            So we drink koumiss kazy, horsemeat, although fatty is better than sorpa, from fatty horsemeat it is possible to sprout or tea, we do not follow the food kosher rule. laughing
          2. karpah
            karpah April 2 2016 15: 02
            +4
            Love. In general, this is my favorite meat. When I retire I dream of having a sheep farm
            1. marshes
              marshes April 2 2016 15: 09
              +1
              Quote: karpah
              Love. In general, this is my favorite meat. When I retire I dream of having a sheep farm

              Better a goat farm, goats, or rather a goat husband smile , the site does not miss, for 9-10 months it walks the meat that ram for two years.
              True, you need to be able to do the same, once again for the meat, with your hand that you grabbed the wool, do not touch it. And then the carcass is burned with a gas, gasoline, burner, so that the hair you get burns. laughing
          3. Professor
            Professor April 2 2016 19: 06
            +3
            Quote: Zymran
            Do you like lamb in Israel?

            And how. Dear she is here however.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 2 2016 19: 21
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              And how. Dear she is here however.

              Dear, well, at least from me, Honor. the word for their brains is "maolovato".
              A simple question at all mutton from kel?
              1. Professor
                Professor April 2 2016 19: 45
                0
                Quote: marshes

                Dear, well, at least from me, Honor. the word for their brains is "maolovato".

                I do not understand what are you talking about?

                Quote: marshes
                A simple question at all mutton from kel?

                There is one too (Ariel Sharon also bred sheep), but Australia and New Zealand also help. Steamboats are brought alive to Eilat. Those that did not survive overboard. So now in the Red Sea there are more sharks.
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS April 4 2016 00: 41
              0
              Quote: Professor
              And how. Dear she is here however.

              Quote: karpah
              Love. In general, this is my favorite meat. When I retire I dream of having a sheep farm

              There is a saying that when two Jews gather, they have nothing to talk about - they all know about each other! yes
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC April 2 2016 13: 16
      -7
      If so much dough was poured into Russia as it was poured into Israel, we would have landed on Alpha Centauri.
      The Israeli economic miracle is akin to the Belarusian one, while the big brother gives money and the components "socialism" is flourishing.
      1. opus
        opus April 2 2016 14: 52
        +4
        Quote: KaPToC
        If as much money were poured into Russia as they were poured into Israel -

        If Israel received as much dough as we ask *** LI (skip) , at least from the end of the 80s (I will keep silent about 1917 and 1905), then ISRAEL would have traraformed MARS ("new Israel") and possibly completed the terraforming of Venus.

        It seems that we live in a "parallel universe"













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        Threat. nothing to blame the mirror, if his face did not go
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC April 2 2016 17: 58
          +5
          Oh, do you think that in Russia there are no such combines? Excuse me, what kind of education do you have? I have an agricultural specialization in agricultural mechanization.
          So that you know, mechanized harvesting of fruits only for juices, if you want to sell fruits and berries - then picking only with pens. The same goes for tomatoes.

          P.S. We didn’t give a ride, they robbed us, and those who robbed live in the USA, Britain and Israel.
          1. tehnoluks
            tehnoluks April 2 2016 19: 10
            +1
            P.S. We didn’t give a ride, they robbed us, and those who robbed live in the USA, Britain and Israel.

            Greetings colleague. I have behind me the Faculty of Mechanics of the Agricultural Institute / KGAU vol. 94 g. All four "FOR" the first part of your post, but here's the second ... In the army they say not "stolen", but "proe..li". And in many ways we continue to do ... because of our massive ... fuck ... ma, or something. In other words, the understanding that your personal vanity in the manifestation of patriotism and personal civic position is likely to turn against you.
            "those who ... live in the USA, Britain and Israel" - let's say, the ultimate beneficiaries. And then ours, dear ones, crap, with the tacit consent / disagreement of others.
            From the latest examples - desperate farmers of the Kuban gathered to ride tractors to the President! The reason is simple. Raiders (!!!) wring out the most profitable areas with the connivance / support of local .... And everyone on the drum. The governor put out a conflict, temporarily. We look forward to continuing.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC April 2 2016 20: 11
              +1
              It doesn’t matter to an ordinary person which oligarch robs him, Russian, American or Jewish, the capitalist system itself is essentially vicious.
              1. hard rock
                hard rock April 2 2016 20: 19
                0
                Quote: KaPToC
                the capitalist system itself is essentially vicious

                Yeah. Those. the system that is the best and fairest today of all invented by mankind (while not without flaws, of course), you do not like. Enchanting.
                Have you tried living in a capitalist state? No? Try it. I'm pretty sure you will like it. Still, you should not "authoritatively evaluate" what you yourself have not tried. It is wrong somehow.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 2 2016 21: 17
                  +2
                  And what do we have now? Capitalism, feudalism, monarchy, or anarchy? I would like to hear your opinion, Hardrock.
          2. opus
            opus April 2 2016 23: 02
            +1
            Quote: KaPToC
            Oh, do you think that in Russia there are no such combines?

            I didn’t see from 1982 to 1986 ...

            Quote: KaPToC
            Excuse me, what kind of education do you have?

            Engineer-mechanic + engineer-developer of DLA + programmer (C +) + customs academy (not complete, could not stand it, nasty)
            Quote: KaPToC
            I have an agricultural specialization in agricultural mechanization.


            Quote: opus
            By the number of people employed in the scientific field (735,3 thousand people), Russia occupies one of the leading places in the world, second only to China, USA and Japan.

            sense of zero.
            Explain to me how
            Quote: KaPToC
            I have an agricultural specialization in agricultural mechanization.
            why have I been supplying them since 1997: agricultural machinery (beets, grain, fields, hay), crane equipment, machine tools, forwarders, harvesters, CNCs, reloaders, shears ... even now, despite the Euro rate?
            You tell me more as a "specialist", tell me why I am delivering equipment for processing, packing and packaging to the Russian Federation .... from the BULGARIAN Index-6, when such "minds" as you with "agricultural" education are sitting here
            Why will the bridge (Crimea-RF) be built
            Liebherr LR 1350 X2, Sennebogen 7700 х1,3) Hitachi.Sumitomo SCX 2800-2 х1 which I will bring and arrange, and not "darlings" AT LEAST RDK crawler self-propelled diesel-electric crane manufactured by the German ZemagZeitz factory in Dresden?
            / PS and so on in everything

            He visited the Leonardo da Vinci Museum, then Venice, looked at the dates, compared with his story.
            Is Poqua thinking like that?

            Quote: KaPToC
            P.S. We didn’t give a ride, they robbed us, and those who robbed

            1.Every nation is worthy of the government that he himself has chosen
            2. They are stealing now. The NWF lies there, at 0% - 0,25% (the Fed is under these "lies", quietly lending / printing its own at 0,75% - 1% per annum) ...
            our loans at 18% (island under government at 4-7% per annum)
            who the fuck ***
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC April 2 2016 23: 12
              0
              Clearly, we did not understand each other, I thought your claims that we didn’t have this, but in fact your claims are that we do not make such a thing. Well, the same Holland, and the United States also does not produce much, but Russia produces a lot of what others do not.
              The Americans buy rockets from us and don’t package them, and do you blame us on combines? COMBINES are not high-tech industries at all, there is no country in the world that would produce everything itself.
              If the Russians all produce for themselves, then who will produce oil and gas for Europe? But the mining industry is much more complex and knowledge-intensive than the production of agricultural equipment.
              Russia gives too much to the world, do you propose not taking anything in return?
              1. opus
                opus April 2 2016 23: 49
                +2
                Quote: KaPToC
                Americans buy rocket engines from us

                Oh ... I just about RD, don’t need it, okay. This is my specialty.
                the Americans have "complexes"? well, DO NOT MIX.
                extremely mercantile nation. It would be cheap and worthy (reliability) would be bought from Iran or Pyongyang
                Quote: KaPToC
                Russia gives too much to the world, do you propose not taking anything in return?

                bearing production, we have virtually no left.
                machine tool industry -0
                "take nothing"? they don't give us anything now.
                I talk a lot I can not, I won’t, but if the public knew what the S-300 ** / S-400 would be equipped with, it would have okuh.
                Threat. I said nothing
                1. Foofighter
                  Foofighter April 5 2016 08: 29
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  the Americans have "complexes"? well, DO NOT MIX.
                  extremely mercantile nation. It would be cheap and worthy (reliability) would be bought from Iran or Pyongyang

                  Would buy if not only they themselves (USA) but also Russia would not be able to do laughing
                  1. Foofighter
                    Foofighter April 7 2016 05: 39
                    0
                    Although, it seems, neither Iran nor Korea would have sold them to the Americans ...
    3. opus
      opus April 2 2016 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      Living in a waterless desert - and the largest exporters of fruits and vegetables are already an achievement!

      The sun and warm weather.
      in the WATER desert (swamps of St. Petersburg and Leningrad region), almost 60g north latitude, you will not get either fruits or most vegetables.


      Egypt, the desert is still that

      Egypt supplies potatoes to the countries of the European Union and the share of Egyptian potatoes exported to Russia was 35-40%.


      Israel has better conditions than in Egypt, at least rains.












      -------------------------------------------------- -
      It’s still a mystery to me - why Africa is starving, stick a stick there in the ground and in a year you will pick bananas
      1. marshes
        marshes April 2 2016 14: 41
        0
        Quote: opus
        It’s still a mystery to me - why Africa is starving, stick a stick there in the ground and in a year you will pick bananas

        Every summer EL traveled to the dandy in Marie. There tomatoes, tomatoes do not ripen. Although they planted in greenhouses and a "greenhouse", they turned red under a UV lamp and this is how much energy is needed. June. Fig him knows why, at the expense of alcohol, if his comrades from Israel are interested, they started drinking much later, in 90, and went in the 80s.
        Mostly potatoes, cucumbers and smile turnip.
        1. opus
          opus April 2 2016 14: 56
          +6
          Quote: marshes
          Mostly potatoes, cucumbers and turnips.

          potato turnip, it doesn’t work (hands are visible curves, I have)
          greens, beets
          hotbeds: tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers - BED (wife's hands are straight)
          Berries: raspberries, blackberries (no one can’t have a black-and-white week, 80% disappears), currants, plums (no one can’t a black-and-white week, 80% disappears), pears (the wife had some kind of Finnish variety ), apples and ... ??
          and MUSHROOMS wink in the forest kaneshna ("once again a couple will bring so much out of the house, which mu ** k will peel mushrooms until 3:6 in the morning from 30:22?)

          1. marshes
            marshes April 2 2016 15: 15
            +1
            Quote: opus
            and MUSHROOMS

            The very same on "WATA", stumps from poplar, I grow oyster mushroom, purely for myself.
            In Almaty, or rather 50 meters, I live.
            We, me, have everything. A clean garden with a garden of 6 acres. The house has a private plot of 14 acres. And so hens and goats, smile
            1. opus
              opus April 2 2016 15: 33
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              on "WAT", stumps from poplar,

              I cultivated (on alder, aspen and something else), I didn’t like it, nor did anyone eat it (compared to natural mushrooms -fuuu). They died for 3 years, dried up stumps, they went to shalykovy wood
              Quote: marshes
              In Almaty, or rather 50 meters, I live

              And I was, I lived for a week, not far from the TV tower (with your back to it: AA straight ahead, almost "in full view"), in a private house with a friend. Class.
              Well, Alma-Ata, this is not the Leningrad Region ...
              Medeo super, sunbathed (boxes, cardboard covered with the wind) in the winter (We do not often sunbathe in the summer)
              Quote: marshes
              Pure garden with a garden of 6 acres.

              20 acres, mowing the grass ...... 1 month soothes, 2nd annoying, 3rd annoying, at the end the mower makes zhzhzhzhbrrrrbul, stop. Can not cope (moisture)
              1. marshes
                marshes April 2 2016 15: 43
                +1
                Quote: opus
                I cultivated (on alder, aspen and something else), I didn’t like it, nor did anyone eat it (compared to natural mushrooms -fuuu). They died for 3 years, dried up stumps, they went to shalykovy wood

                They eat with me, even my mother-in-law ... laughing Of course you can butter and white to collect.
                Quote: opus
                And I was, I lived for a week, not far from the TV tower (with your back to it: AA straight ahead, almost "in full view"), in a private house with a friend. Class.

                In general, I love my city for the private sector, I wish that it would not be turned into a glass-concrete monster. My city should be cozy and homely, my desire is a minimum of high-rise buildings and more than the private sector, not a wreck. That would be a Big Village.
                Quote: opus
                20 acres, mowing the grass ...... 1 month soothes, 2nd annoying, 3rd annoying, at the end the mower makes zhzhzhzhbrrrrbul, stop. Can not cope (moisture)

                Well, I have an uncle and he has 50 hectares. But far.
                And so the kids are young, in the garden they play the role of lawn mowers. smile Funny, until December. And there they look with an insolent greasy look, it is not a pity to put under a knife.
          2. Falcon5555
            Falcon5555 April 3 2016 14: 00
            0
            Something will fail. I am writing a second time.
            Something a little too much for you. Three and a half higher educations (what is DLA?), Importing cranes, growing tomatoes, picking mushrooms "like a parasite" with cleaning until the morning ... and you also know what the S-300 is made of, and about the S-200, I remember , you know a lot too. And they are also aware of a lot of things. Not a bad CV. Usually, if a person is engaged in tomatoes, then they no longer go to pick mushrooms, not to mention importing cranes, obtaining three higher educations, studying the S-300, and everything else on the list, plus sitting on topwar. And if the brow had enough brains and time to get three (and a half!) Higher educations (I don’t know such), then he is unlikely to start growing tomatoes, I think so. Here, someone may have the idea that your fantasy is not bad either, it is put on a grand scale, as they say. wink
  4. bya965
    bya965 April 2 2016 07: 12
    -11%
    Israeli experts admit that ...

    Like everyone else in the East, they only understand strength. Russia showed her "friendship, chewing gum", but no, they would dance on her grave. We Russians (Jews or Tatars, for example) simply do not like traitors. And so, Israel during the wars squeezed out almost all the water in the region, then hired Indians on the cheap and produces agricultural products
    They live in a waterless desert - and the largest exporters of fruits and vegetables are already an achievement! Here we live among chernozems and rivers - and on the counters import
    , and naive people sing an assana to them. As they stole, however, like the Chinese, they will steal from us. And we both invented and created, and so we will invent and create.

    Be Good!
    1. karpah
      karpah April 2 2016 08: 16
      +9
      Why lie, mr. Israel not only did not squeeze the water, but also supplied it to the Jordanians and Palestinians. In addition, the main source for Israel is desalination. I'm not talking about the secondary use of water, in which Israel is a global leader.
      1. bya965
        bya965 April 2 2016 09: 08
        -4
        Firstly, I’m not Mr. I am a goy. Secondly, the cap is lit on the thief. Thirdly
        look here
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Водные_ресурсы_Израиля
        compare with a map of territories captured in the Arab-Israeli war of 1967 here
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Израиль#.D0.9A.D0.BE.D0.BD.D1.82.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.BB
        .D0.B8.D1.80.D1.83.D0.B5.D0.BC.D1.8B.D0.B5_.28.D0.BE.D0.BA.D0.BA.D1.83.D0.BF.D0.
        B8.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5.29_.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D1.80.D
        0.B8.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.B8
        1. Professor
          Professor April 2 2016 09: 44
          +5
          Quote: bya965
          Firstly, I’m not Mr. I am a goy.

          You are a goy, but this did not add or diminish your mind. Israel not only did not "squeeze" water, but it also supplies it to Jordan and "Palestine". We now have an overproduction of water.
          About the Indians, Mr. liar, generally amused. Kibbutzniks and scammers turn out to be Indians. You yourself do not have enough mind to bring the Indians and provide themselves with food or religion does not allow? wink
          1. bya965
            bya965 April 2 2016 09: 57
            -2
            So you tell me how much your collective farms supply (volume), and how much the Indians or how, I don’t remember, their skin is dark and how much you pay them (in comparison).
            I have no religion, I live in conscience, my ancestors did not have slaves, and we ourselves were not slaves, we are not southern people. I don’t believe in Semitic gods or God, I love astronomy.
            As for the mind, of course the mind and intellect are different, but there is a correlation between them. And why on the wiki they lost data on average intelligence and why there the Russian Federation was several points higher than Israel.
            Food. I just pray (not to God, it's just saying that) for sanctions. I love pork, they have already started exporting. I love buckwheat, tomatoes and pickles on a plastic cover.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 2 2016 10: 01
              +3
              How many words. The facts are that we deliver food to you and something else. hi
              1. bya965
                bya965 April 2 2016 10: 07
                +1
                I personally respect you. According to other comments. I don’t want to breed Srach.

                Exports of products from Russia rose to 3400% due to ruble devaluation
                http://www.rbc.ru/business/20/03/2016/56ebcb9a9a79471a98bf1f27

                RBC is liberal, so it doesn’t smell like patriotism. Fact
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 2 2016 12: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: bya965
                  I personally respect you. According to other comments. I don’t want to breed Srach.

                  good

                  Quote: bya965
                  Exports of products from Russia rose to 3400% due to ruble devaluation

                  I'm happy for you. 3400% means that if you had only one apple tree, and now 34, then you have a growth of 3400%. But let’s put it in a neighbor’s house, 10000 apple trees, and now 11000. Its growth was only 10% and he nervously smokes on the sidelines. This is a lyrical digression. Srach is not pleasant to me either. hi
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC April 2 2016 13: 22
                    0
                    I think the dear nine hundred and sixty-fifth toe has drawn an extra.
                    1. bya965
                      bya965 April 2 2016 13: 30
                      -1
                      And follow the link .....
                      I don’t like RosBusinessConsulting, most of the journalists too.
                      1965 year of my birth.
                      1. hard rock
                        hard rock April 2 2016 19: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: bya965
                        And follow the link .....

                        It is not clear why you needed to distort so. It is also clearly written there that an increase of 3418% was given only to carrots, turnips and beets. And even then, such figures are due to the low base of 2014. In general, exports DECREASED by 31%.
                      2. bya965
                        bya965 April 2 2016 22: 54
                        -3
                        Well, there in America. Buzz. He betrayed his homeland, even a Russian, even a Jew, what a difference!

                        But not me. I like borsch, though not a crest.
                      3. hard rock
                        hard rock April 2 2016 23: 06
                        0
                        Quote: bya965
                        though not a crest.

                        This is not exactly known.
                        But it is known for sure that you are a petty liar who has decided to "trick the arrows in a cunning way."
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                      5. bya965
                        bya965 April 2 2016 23: 16
                        -1
                        The bastard left the USA. And deleted the comment. It’s cowards, probably.
              2. bya965
                bya965 April 2 2016 13: 37
                -3
                I don’t know about you, I’m a professor in mathematics, more precisely in hydromechanics and computer algebra. You are here in numbers (the majority writes in numbers that there is stupidity) do not play. Zhurnalyuga stupidity wrote in the title, but the publication is liberal. But sanctions are something. Ingenious. I have many friends, a Jew was my best friend (he died on the Volga under a boat, now I’ll drink a glass of my moonshine). What, what, and you know how to PR. Here I am and I am stepping you off, for balance.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 2 2016 13: 20
        -3
        It is an order of magnitude easier to irrigate a waterless desert than warming up the Arctic; even in the Sahara, farming is easier and cheaper than in most parts of Russia.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 2 2016 13: 28
          +3
          Quote: KaPToC
          It is an order of magnitude easier to irrigate a waterless desert than warming up the Arctic; even in the Sahara, farming is easier and cheaper than in most parts of Russia.

          Tell this to "starving" Canada. They see the Sahara. wink
          1. alebdun2000
            alebdun2000 April 2 2016 17: 41
            +1
            Well, here you are in a hurry, Canada imports almost everything from America, the products say either California with Florida or all of South America. So the comparison of the Arctic and the desert in this dispute is not in your favor
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 2 2016 17: 50
            -2
            Canada has a mild climate, a resort compared to Russia, and where it is cold, Canadians do not grow anything there.
            Your agriculture is a kindergarten in comparison with the agriculture of Siberia, the northern and central regions of Russia.
            Instead of telling about the climate of Canada in numbers (I know these numbers) your arguments are stupid excuses and disadvantages, change your nickname, you don't match it. The nickname "Psaki" would suit you.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 2 2016 19: 25
              +3
              Quote: KaPToC
              Your agriculture is a kindergarten in comparison with the agriculture of Siberia, the northern and central regions of Russia.

              Is it a shame to buy food from a kindergarten? wink

              Quote: KaPToC
              Instead of telling about the climate of Canada in numbers (I know these numbers) your arguments are stupid excuses and disadvantages, change your nickname, you don't match it. The nickname "Psaki" would suit you.

              What numbers are you interested in? Average seasonal temperatures, productivity or how much wheat did the USSR purchase from Canada?

              Quote: alebdun2000
              Well, here you are in a hurry, Canada imports almost everything from America, the products say either California with Florida or all of South America. So the comparison of the Arctic and the desert in this dispute is not in your favor

              No, I didn’t hurry. Avocados and peppers are imported from the south, and their main products.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC April 2 2016 20: 15
                -1
                Maybe you are selling some kind of food to your fellow tribesmen in Russia, I personally have never seen Israeli food in my eyes.
                It’s not we who are buying, it’s you who are pushing your products through aggressive marketing.
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 2 2016 20: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Maybe you are selling some kind of food to your fellow tribesmen in Russia, I personally have never seen Israeli food in my eyes.

                  No? Carrot was not burned out by laser. Made in Israel? Well then, eat French Elite chocolate. laughing
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC April 4 2016 00: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    No? Carrot was not burned out by laser. Made in Israel? Well then, eat French Elite chocolate.

                    Ha, I found in the store, Madonna’s shorts of God's chosen ones, though dear, nobody buys her.
                  2. Professor
                    Professor April 4 2016 08: 02
                    0
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Ha, I found in the store, Madonna’s shorts of God's chosen ones, though dear, nobody buys her.

                    So lies rot? belay
  • bya965
    bya965 April 2 2016 23: 37
    -1
    Quote: karpah
    Why lie, mr. Israel not only did not squeeze the water, but also supplied it to the Jordanians and Palestinians. In addition, the main source for Israel is desalination. I'm not talking about the secondary use of water, in which Israel is a global leader.

    Respect. The world leader in the secondary use of water. You are on a Russian site, you understand what WRITTEN.
    For those who set +8, you are by no means perverts.
    If humor is bad, go to Odessa.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 2 2016 07: 16
    0
    Israel’s success in the arms market is largely due to the fact that many experts from the former USSR left there ...
    1. karpah
      karpah April 2 2016 08: 12
      +4
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Israel’s success in the arms market is largely due to the fact that many experts from the former USSR left there ...



      But this is nonsense. The overwhelming majority of specialists from the former USSR were not allowed into the defense industry for reasons of secrecy. Who made a contribution - these are immigrants from the Union, who came in childhood and studied in Israel.
      1. bya965
        bya965 April 2 2016 09: 14
        0
        People in Israel successfully run a business to modernize Soviet weapons, but they were born in Israel and learned everything themselves. Maybe you’re right, but you are also the navy and the irrigation system and the railways yourself too.

        And your armament is American, and you are modernizing Soviet. This is such marketing.
      2. kenig1
        kenig1 April 2 2016 09: 25
        0
        Do not tell tales, E. Satanovsky would have laughed at your bullshit for a long time.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 2 2016 09: 47
          +1
          Quote: kenig1
          Do not tell tales, E. Satanovsky would have laughed at your bullshit for a long time.

          Something tells me that you are now putting the comrade into the open water with facts and expose his tales. You are not a troll, are you? wink
          1. kenig1
            kenig1 April 3 2016 07: 44
            +1
            Satanovsky-Since 1993 - President of the Institute for the Study of Israel (now the Institute of the Middle East).

            In 1999, at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, he defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of economic sciences on the topic “Specifics of the Economic Development of Israeli Society in the 90s” (Specialty - 08.00.14 World Economy and International Economic Relations) [1].

            He teaches geopolitics and economics of the Middle East region at the Department of Judaics of the Institute of Asian and African Countries at Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov. He also taught at the Higher Humanitarian School named after S. Dubnov and at MGIMO.

            Here you are a troll under the nickname Professor.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 3 2016 08: 50
              0
              Quote: kenig1
              Here you are a troll under the nickname Professor.

              You were smart enough to doubt your opponent’s statement: "The overwhelming majority of specialists from the former USSR were not admitted to the" defense industry "for reasons of secrecy. Those who contributed are immigrants from the Union who came as children and studied in Israel." And that’s all you have to say is that Satan’s head, and I am a troll? wink
    2. opus
      opus April 2 2016 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Israel’s success in the arms market is largely due to the fact that many experts from the former USSR left there ...

      statehood of power. one country, one must live in an environment.
      The principle of "nudging and dumping in the USA, is not very welcome there"
      Cronyism, co-workers in the sweet office, untouchable in Israel, does not channel.
      There is no oil and gas underfoot (there wasn’t), to survive it is necessary to work.
      Competition (see below)

      By the number of people employed in the scientific field (735,3 thousand people) PRussia occupies one of the leading places in the world, second only to China, the USA and Japan.

      Currently, there are four main centers of scientific research in the world: the USA (31% of world R&D expenditures at purchasing power parity), the European Union (24%), China (14%) and Japan (11%). Russia's share is less than 2% of global science spending(in Israel - 4,38%)inferior to US contribution almost 17 times, The European Union - 12 times, China - 7,5 times and Japan - 5,9 times



      Quote: karpah
      Specialists from the former USSR were not allowed in the vast majority for reasons of secrecy

      You have them ("ours") in the Knesset. what secrecy is there

      In the Knesset of the State of Israel of the 19th convocation (January 2013), 9 Russian-speaking deputies were elected, in the Knesset of the 18th convocation (February 2009) there were 14, in the Knesset of the 17th convocation (March 2006) - 13. In addition, in the Knesset The 19th convocation, for the first time in recent years, did not elect a new sectoral "Russian" party ...
      After more than 20 years from the beginning of Big Aliya, there is a noticeable decrease in the number of Russian-speaking deputies elected to the Knesset

      karpah -You DENIES
      Figovsky O.L., Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor,Director of Science and Development, INRC Polymate (Israel) and Nanotech Industries, Inc. (USA, California)



      / I still believe more dtn, Israeli than you, excuse me /
      According to the Globs data on hiring processes received by HiCapital-Pilat as a result of analysis of several tens of thousands of work resumes, it follows that, on average, 2012 people applied for each workplace in 127. In high-tech, the ratio was 1 to 134, in industry 1 to 124. “Russian” inhabitants disliked for a different mentality, a higher level of education, labor discipline, for the possible loss of their jobs, etc. etc.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC April 2 2016 20: 23
        -2
        The facts disprove your calculations, for example, during the construction of ITER, your so-called leaders participate in money, steel and concrete, and Russia - unique high-tech equipment, to say nothing, the architecture of ALL American processors was developed by a Russian scientist, Americans steal scientific developments and outbid scientists, this is your 31 percent, and even network technologies, the Internet, which the Americans are so proud of - the Russians came up with.
        1. opus
          opus April 2 2016 23: 23
          0
          Quote: KaPToC
          your so-called leaders participate in money, steel and concrete,

          what kind of support can concrete and steel be transported from Russia? Logistics
          Visit, for the sake of interest, steel-rolling and "concrete" plants in Russia - whose equipment is there?
          "Victory-Knauf"
          Quote: KaPToC
          and Russia with unique high-tech equipment

          yakim?
          Quote: KaPToC
          The architecture of ALL American processors was developed by a Russian scientist

          pah.


          V.M. PentKovskiy is a graduate of the Department of Computer Engineering of the Faculty of FRTK MIPT in 1970 ... In 1991, he began working at Intel, where he now works

          -x86 is a CISC architecture. Access to memory occurs by “words”. "Words" are placed on the principle of little-endian, also known as the Intel-format. Presented
          1978 (16-bit) 1985 (32-bit), 2003 (64-bit)
          -In June 1989, Vinod Dham made the first drafts of a processor codenamed P5. Vinod Dham is widely known in the WORLD as the Father of the Pentium chip, we have it (clear PEN - PENTKOVSKY "father")

          Quote: KaPToC
          Americans steal research and outbid scientists, that’s your 31 percent,

          1.)% Not mine, not I kept statistics. Do not carry X *** yu, not 1937, you won’t get my apartment
          2.) steal. Who is in the way?
          3. As far as my memory serves me (I received my passport in 1983): I don’t know a single normal deserter from the USA, EUROPE, Japan (scientist, art worker, military man, pilot, sailor, CIA) whoever ran away from them to us ( homeless people do not count). BACK (from us to them I know). Bring a name?
          Quote: KaPToC
          Dezha network technologies, the Internet, which the Americans are so proud of - the Russians came up with.

          fool
          Yeah: HPE 3PAR StoreServ, Big Data, etc. all such original Russian names
          Wide Area Network, WAN?
          Local Area Network, LAN?
          PDP-11 with IBM 360 mainframe or HP mini-computers with LSI-11 microcomputers?
          Ethernet, Arcnet, Token Ring, Token Bus, FDDI?
          Novell NetWare?
          bulletin board, BBS - ???? Bulletin Board System?



          In 1969, the US Department of Defense (oh ... did you think that it was the MI of the USSR, Ustinov, right?) initiated work to unite defense and research centers into a single network of supercomputers. This network, dubbed ARPANET, became the starting point for the creation of the first and most famous global network - the Internet.

          Both BIOS and DOS were invented by ours, and you have BIOs on your PC not from American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI), and from Skolkovo programmer?
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC April 2 2016 23: 30
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            Quote: opus
            steal. Who is interfering?

            Conscience? this concept is not familiar to you.
            1. opus
              opus April 2 2016 23: 44
              +2
              Quote: KaPToC
              Conscience? this concept is not familiar to you.

              I still wouldn’t have been a millionaire (in 1991 I would have worked in MBB, I would have exchanged rubles for euros / $ in May 2014, today (SATURDAY) I would have thrown an unexpected person (I drove, and not mine) into the PLP under the TC etc. etc)
              CONSCIENCE, the concept for sovereign people-UNKNOWN:
              - Morton Sobella, Theodore Hall, David Greenglass, Bruno Pontecorvo, etc.
              -Record of the conversation comrade I.V. Stalin with the leaders of the Socialist Unified Party of Germany V. Peak, O. Grotevol, V. Ulbricht, M. Fechner and F. Elsner January 31, 1947 at 21 o’clock. 00 minutes
              ...
              Stalin's proposed restoration of the NSDAP in East Germany (under a different name) was implemented in 1948, while the formed party received exactly the name proposed by Stalin - the National Democratic Party of Germany (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, NDPD).

              For many years, the deputy chairman of the NPD was Heinrich Homann, member of the NSDAP since 1933

              the appeal, on behalf of the 4th Party Congress of the NPD, was especially curious that the top 119 signatures under it were accompanied by an indication of the ranks of the signatories in the Wehrmacht and SS, as well as the positions that occupied them in Hitler Youth, BDM (Hitler Girl Scout Organization) or Reichsarbeitsdienst (imperial labor service).


              Threat.
              on the night of March 17-18, 1952, during the Soviet change of guard of Spandau, Hess was taken out of prison in east Berlin, and from there transported by order of Stalin by plane to an unknown place to meet with representatives of the Soviet and East German governments. Grotevol was on the plane with Hess.

              During the meeting, Hesse was transferred the proposal of Stalin. Hess was invited to publicly declare that the socialism of which he had dreamed all his life was built in the GDR. ("Maybe take some of the ... former leaders" - Stalin.) In exchange for consent to make such a statement, Hess was offered immediate release, a prominent post in the GDR and a mansion in a privileged area. Hess categorically and arrogantly refused, adding that doing so in relation to Hitler, and even after the death of the Fuhrer, is unacceptable to Hess.

              And I DO NOT CONDEMN (the above), only for.

              PS # 2: You, as it were, softer ... BRAIN ACTIVITIES (the process of thinking / analysis) are not familiar.
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 5 2016 08: 38
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                About this very ... ACTIVITIES
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Социалистическая_единая_партия_Германии

                since 1946, without any word "national" - you need to eat!
            2. Foofighter
              Foofighter April 5 2016 07: 29
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              How is it possible that a certain Intel bought up perestroika and is now buying its key technologies from Elbrus laughing with which only the American "Motorola" could compete, but in no way ...
          2. bya965
            bya965 April 2 2016 23: 50
            -1
            read here
            http://malchish.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=390&Itemid=35
            1. opus
              opus April 3 2016 00: 03
              +1
              Quote: bya965
              Stupidity, do not write.

              write, cleverness, no link is needed, this is written by 90% of the tricks, which I write here too ("We'll throw our hats")
              Quote: bya965
              For people with low intelligence (it hurts you, I know)

              it can’t hurt me,what do I care about your intellect?

              Quote: bya965
              I hope you can open the link.

              WEB SITE-BALDER?
              I even have a JUNIOR son (11 years old) laughed at this site
              You still offer me "the broken sword of the Empire" (author-co-author of the site) to read .. fool

              Quote: bya965
              A simple fact, everything that flies and kills is done on Elbrus.

              I give an introduction (for a fan of sites like "SITE BOY-KIBALCHISH")
              Buran, automatic landing, a masterpiece having no analogues in the world.
              Questions:
              1. Type of on-board computer, quantity, marking, basic characteristics? / I give a hint "80"
              2. Software for "no analogue in the world": source code, block, diagram, programming language? Leading software engineer of the project?
              I won’t give a hint (no. 1 is enough)

              Will you shine with "nano intelligence" or?
              ====================================================================== =========
              Well and so for the conversation:
              Hamilton Margaret and USL


              Put program code on assembler (12,6K, in my opinion)?

              Hard for

              to paint?
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 5 2016 07: 39
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                Why colorful pictures on a different topic, and not on the one on which there were "questions"?
                The hint is wrong ...
            2. opus
              opus April 3 2016 00: 07
              +1
              Quote: bya965
              read here

              repeat:




              "PEPELETS" FLY ON THE MOON. No. 1. The same is good at night when there are no brains

              Threat. The author of 7 of my corrections that I fluently found in the jambs, quickly corrected and did not even say thank you.
              Propogandan horseradish
              1. Foofighter
                Foofighter April 5 2016 07: 44
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                Oi-wei, isn't your professor eating now? LOL! "80" seems to be a controller even on the American Space Shuttle, which is inferior in intelligence to the Soviet Buran.
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 April 2 2016 09: 49
    +2
    Israel’s successes in producing and marketing competitive military products are obvious.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 2 2016 10: 06
    +4
    Quote: Ramzes33
    Israel’s successes in producing and marketing competitive military products are obvious.

    In general, these are not bad results, but there is room to grow. Our leaders still catch up and catch up.
    The American edition of Defense News publishes a list of hundreds of the largest weapons manufacturers in the world. The list includes four Israeli defense companies at once: Elbit, Aviation Industry, RAFAEL and Military Industry.
    "Elbit" took the 29th place in the rating, "Aviation Industry" was on the 32nd line, RAFAEL - on the 45th place. The "Military Industry" is the penultimate place in the list - it is on the 99th position.
    The list is led by the American corporation Lockheed Martin. The second place belongs to Boeing, the third - to the British company BAE Systems. Two other U.S. companies, Raytheon and General Dynamics, are closing the top five. We note that, according to published data, the profit of the leader of the Israeli defense industry in 2014 amounted to 2,958 billion dollars.
    By comparison, Lockheed Martin earned more than $ 40 billion in the same year. The leader of the Russian defense industry, the Almaz-Antey corporation, ranked 11th with a profit of $ 9,2 billion.
  • Redfox3k
    Redfox3k April 2 2016 10: 15
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    But interestingly, without the help of the overseas brothers, Israel would have achieved what E. Satanovsky wrote about, and indeed the existence of Israel as such?
    1. Professor
      Professor April 2 2016 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: Redfox3k
      But interestingly, without the help of the overseas brothers, Israel would have achieved what E. Satanovsky wrote about, and indeed the existence of Israel as such?

      If you are really interested in this topic, I can answer, but if you decide to troll, then pass by.
    2. opus
      opus April 2 2016 18: 59
      +3
      Quote: Redfox3k
      But interestingly, without the help of overseas brothers, Israel would have achieved what E. Satanovsky wrote about.

      1. Promised processors, or What is Intel doing in Israel?
      Intel research centers and factories are located in the following cities: Jerusalem, Haifa, Haifa, Qiryat Gat, Petach Tikva, and Yakum.

      The volume of exports of Intel products manufactured in Israel in 2010 amounted to $ 2,7 billion, and in 2011 - $ 2,2 billion, which is 40% of Intel's revenue. A slight decrease in exports is due to the technical re-equipment of the Fab 28 factory in Kiryat Gat, the cost of which amounted to about $ 3 billion. In this regard, production volumes had to be temporarily reduced, but now the Fab 28 factory produces processors using the 22-nm process technology. In total, from 1999 to 2011, Intel's exports from Israel amounted to $ 22,4 billion.
      If we talk about Sandy Bridge processors, manufactured by 32-nm process technology, then almost 40% of them were released in Israel.
      Since 1998, Intel has provided financial support to 64 Israeli firms. Since 1996, the company's investment in the Israeli economy has exceeded $ 9,6 billion. During this time, government grants worth $ 1,3 billion have been received.

      Help: Intel spends on research and development (R&D) 10.6 billion $ per year

      Processors manufactured at various times on the Fab 28 and now manufactured


      There Dell Hewlett-Packard Lenovo, etc.

      This is certainly not 100% Bringing the Jobs Back Home, but 20% still yes, there are (salaries)

      Mother of all processors-What processor did the first IBM PC run on? Right, on the i8088. It was completely developed in Haifa. Israel Development Center (IDC): in addition to Intel, they are developing Microsoft, Google, Motorola, IBM, Yahoo !, Philips, Qualcomm, Samsung, Facebook, and others

      Remember a thing like a math coprocessor? They were either integrated into the 80386 and 80486 processors, or sold separately. So the coprocessors came up with and brought to serial production in Haifa, and in order not to carry the drawings, they put into production on Fab 8, in Jerusalem. Pentium-MMX processors remember? Israeli work. Pentium IV too. You can’t even talk about Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad - there are even code names without exception in Hebrew.



      the entire Centrino platform, including the Pentium-M processor, chipset and Wi-FI controller, were also born in Israel.
      TOTAL, in my opinion, three Intel Intel Fabs in Israel (maybe more)

      Intel owns strategic technologies - EXPORT OF WHICH is banned to Russia both legislatively and actually (Clintons, etc.)
      1. opus
        opus April 2 2016 19: 06
        +3
        2.Investors: AltaIR Capital, Flint Capital, Titanium Investments (these three are leaders in terms of market activity), Maxfield Capital, TMT Investments, LETA Capital, vendors: I will only mention "our" = "Yandex" (which opened an R&D center based on the acquired Israeli startup KitLocate) and Mail.Ru Group, the state-owned fund of funds Yozm

        Do you have money - and you want to invest in Israel? Mazal comrade! You are in good company from three and a half hundred venture capital funds and thousands of business angelswhich account for 5 Israeli startups

        3. Israel cannot deliver its products to large markets by land by truck or train, such as France and Germany, distribution must be by air (expensive) or by sea (slow). "Heavy industry is also not an option."
        Output? Hi-T (IT, processors, memory, UAVs, communications, software: Fiverr, EatWith, DubaMobile, Wix)
        4. Memorandum of agreement USA | Israel, followed by: Foreign Military Financing, Direct Commercial Sale, Excess Defense Articles

        Arms Export Control Act DOES NOT APPLY TO ISRAEL.
        Export Administration Act (EAA), State Department's Office of Defense Trade Controls (DTC) is the same.
        The United States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA) point blank does not see the unauthorized transfer of weapons and American technology by Israel to third countries.
        Violating US arms re-export law, Israel does not even have a hint of sanctions.
        5. The Israeli Polytechnic Institute Technion .... this is not Skolkovo, because it was not a LADY. And other universities


        program MASA - Technion "Exact Sciences and Engineering".

        "Russian-speaking students from the countries of the former USSR and other countries have a unique opportunity to become a part of the future world scientific and technological elite."


        6. Well, and "Chutzpah" certainly not take away (our underfunded startup with 3 people on the team will kick IBM's ass? How else? Of course)
        --------------------------------
        serious business always goes where there is more profit margin and less risk.
  • Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 April 2 2016 12: 07
    +1
    The Su-25KM "Scorpion" is a modernized version of the Soviet Su-25 attack aircraft. The aircraft was produced by the Georgian company TAM (Tbilaviamsheni - Tblis aircraft plant) together with the Israeli company Elbit Systems Ltd. (NASDAQ: ESLT).

    Work on the modernization project for the Su-25 "Scorpion" began in September 2000. On April 14, 2001, the chief pilot of Elbit Systems, Ehuda Shafir, took off the first modernized Su-25 "Scorpion". The first official flight took place from the airfield of the Tbilisi Aircraft Plant on April 18, 2001. The ceremony was attended by the President of Georgia Eduard Shevardnadze, members of the government, representatives of the Georgian Defense Ministry, Tbilisi Aircraft Plant and Elbit company.

    The Scorpion modernization program envisages equipping the Su-25 attack aircraft with a new avionics complex in accordance with the glass cocpit technology and meeting the ICAO requirements, developed by the Israeli firm Elbit. The new avionics significantly expands the capabilities of the aircraft, ensures all-weather use, improves flight safety, and provides accurate navigation and target designation for weapons. The complex is designed to use both Western and Russian weapons. The Scorpion modernization program raises the Su-25's combat capability to a modern level and fully meets the needs of potential customers. Su-25 "Scorpion" was shown at the international air show in Le Bourget in 2001.


    But while customers for this option are not visible and not heard.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 9 2016 10: 18
      0
      And the plant was bombed in 2008. Fly Aeroflot (Su25CM)
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 9 2016 10: 18
      0
      And the plant was bombed in 2008. Fly Aeroflot (Su25CM)
  • Xruss
    Xruss April 2 2016 12: 08
    0
    Quote: karpah
    Quote: Pvi1206
    Israel’s success in the arms market is largely due to the fact that many experts from the former USSR left there ...



    But this is nonsense. The overwhelming majority of specialists from the former USSR were not allowed into the defense industry for reasons of secrecy. Who made a contribution - these are immigrants from the Union, who came in childhood and studied in Israel.


    And that the locals did not contribute?
  • marshes
    marshes April 2 2016 13: 08
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    Yes ... there would be oil for 100, maybe something bought.
    Hanging containers Lightning, not bad. The anti-tank missile systems that were installed on the Mi-8 and so on the little things.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 April 2 2016 15: 06
      0
      Quote: marshes
      Yes ... there would be oil for 100, maybe something bought.
      Hanging containers Lightning, not bad. The anti-tank missile systems that were installed on the Mi-8 and so on the little things.


      And at least for $ 300 per barrel. Someone would get something ... Yeah !!! Shish, in vegetable oil. For a start, two Russian problems would be solved ... For information:
    2. karpah
      karpah April 2 2016 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: marshes
      Yes ... there would be oil for 100, maybe something bought.
      Hanging containers Lightning, not bad. The anti-tank missile systems that were installed on the Mi-8 and so on the little things.



      Or maybe it would be better to raise medicine, orphanages and nursing homes to world level if there were 100 oil each? Although she was already 100: they spent on the T-14 and T-50, apparently this is more important.
      1. marshes
        marshes April 2 2016 15: 27
        0
        Quote: karpah
        Or maybe it would be better to raise medicine, orphanages and nursing homes to world level if there were 100 oil each? Although she was already 100: they spent on the T-14 and T-50, apparently this is more important.

        I am from Kazakhstan, we have other problems, neighbors.
        And so your "cast" "worms" are not bad yet. Yes, they wanted to buy a lot.
        Here is our PAPA to your ambassador, Recently, I invited your Prime Minister and there is also a question about without a visa. Let's see.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 April 2 2016 16: 07
        +2
        Quote: karpah
        Although she was already 100: they spent on the T-14 and T-50, apparently this is more important.


        They spent Russian rubles on this, and put the currency here:
        The volume of the Reserve Fund amounted to 1 trillion 3 billion rubles as of April 420,92. ($ 50,60 billion), the volume of the National Wealth Fund (NWF) - 4 trillion 947,33 billion rubles. ($ 73,18 billion), the Ministry of Finance reports.


        The truth about the currency is closed with seven seals. Where does that go, one chairman of the accounting chamber knows (probably ???)
        As of March 1, the volume of the Reserve Fund amounted to 3 trillion 747,06 billion rubles. ($ 49,9 billion), the volume of the NWF is 5 trillion 356,96 billion rubles. ($ 71,34 billion). Thus, the volume of the Reserve Fund in March decreased by 326,14 billion rubles., The volume of the National Welfare Fund - by 409,63 billion rubles.

        The income from placing the Reserve Fund's funds in foreign currency accounts with the Bank of Russia, recalculated in US dollars, amounted to $ 15 million (31 billion rubles) from January 140 to March 9,41. The exchange rate difference from the revaluation of fund balances on these accounts amounted to a negative value from January 1 to March 31 - minus 219,65 billion rubles.

        https://kursvalut.com/novost/obem-rezervnogo-fonda-i-fnb-sokratilsya--r4882
        what
  • karpah
    karpah April 2 2016 16: 03
    +2
    Your Pope Nazarbay is a great man. The only one in the post-Soviet space that, in addition to making money for his family, also does a lot for the country. In our hospital and high-tech, there are many Kazakh specialists who are trained at the expense of the Kazakh budget and will return home after training
    1. marshes
      marshes April 2 2016 16: 08
      0
      Quote: karpah
      In our hospital and high-tech, there are many Kazakh specialists who are trained at the expense of the Kazakh budget and will return home after training

      I want to send my little ones to you to study, medicine. smile Although the older brother can get ahead, he also has small ones. smile And it will be easier for his wife. laughing
  • rzstas
    rzstas April 2 2016 17: 40
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: KaPToC
    It is an order of magnitude easier to irrigate a waterless desert than warming up the Arctic; even in the Sahara, farming is easier and cheaper than in most parts of Russia.

    Tell this to "starving" Canada. They see the Sahara. wink

    Hello, Prof
    you are wrong, that Canada, which is agricultural, forgive me on the latitude of Ukraine, there are also our Voronezh and Belgorod chernozems. But they are much smaller, unfortunately.
    The remaining Canada is our Siberia, about the same thing .. Cold, taiga, cold lakes ..
    Hard wheat is definitely not growing there.
  • bya965
    bya965 April 2 2016 22: 46
    -2
    The lads from Israel attacked me kindly, and whether they will work out their loot.
    That is the question?
    If not, then what kind of harness did they harness.
    But I have a army.
    Wrote offensively, but then erased. There are friends, comrades (by the way the Semitic word) Jews, there are believers, in principle, correct.
    Came from the bath. For the state of Israel I’ll drink a glass now, so no offense.

    There is no hope for you, especially Soviet
  • bertgolz
    bertgolz April 3 2016 16: 20
    -1
    Quote: bya965
    Firstly I am not mister I am a goy

    and schmo
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 9 2016 10: 15
    0
    I want to add, even if Israel wants to sell us some serious technology, it may face a ban on re-export of technology from the United States or Europe. Israel, including rapidly developed in technology since has access to ready-made technologies and components. Russia is excluded from such an exchange, and we have to develop and produce everything ourselves. And this increases the complexity in the development and launch. But unlike the rest, we independently sell equipment and independently serve and predictably support politically friendly countries. And the fact that it is necessary to expand technological cooperation with Israel, no one doubts. Israel is a more pragmatic state than the EU.