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The kingdom of the spirit and the kingdom of the belly. What still captivates us to the USSR?

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Well-known showman Andrei Maximov (sitting on his back in the Zhvanetsky TV program) wrote in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta an obese anti-Soviet article “Soviet non-champagne.” Since it sounds like a manifesto of adherents of the present kingdom of the belly, I will quote it in detail:


The kingdom of the spirit and the kingdom of the belly. What still captivates us to the USSR?


“Russia is a country with an unpredictable past, we really love about history to debate True, sometimes disputes are replaced by a nostalgic love for the Soviet power ... It begins to seem like a spray of champagne: festive, fun, “with a twinkle” ...

No, my dear, Soviet power is not champagne. I grew up under the Soviet regime, studied under the Soviet regime. He mastered the profession of Azami in the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper that was the best in those years. Grateful, of course.

But have you forgotten the cry "Threw Chickens!" And the crowd that rushes after the bluish creatures? They forgot what a deficit is, when they did not buy anything, but did they get it? ..

Today it is natural for us that the premiere of a blockbuster takes place simultaneously all over the world, including in Russia ... How quickly we, citizens of the Internet era, forgot what censorship is! Censorship is when the state decides what you can watch, and what you absolutely cannot. The state put films on the shelf, subsequently recognized as great, forbidding writers who are now considered the pride of Russian literature ... "




I also grew up and studied under the Soviet regime and mastered the basics of the profession in the same “Komsomolskaya Pravda”. Only Maksimov was sitting peacefully in the department of culture, and I worked with a lot of complications in the agricultural department, traveling around our entire immense Motherland. And with all its flaws, he saw one of her gigantic dignity, which forced him to fight against editors who chose a quiet time to save the USSR, the end of which was already read in hypocritical persons.

The fact that Maximov writes about the Soviet supply is both true and not. There was a shortage - but per capita consumption of meat and other natural products in the USSR was much higher than now. In schools, summer camps, institutes, workers and rural canteens, in the same Komsomolskaya Pravda cafeteria the food was cheap and of high quality. And in the village, where everyone kept their personal livestock, the tables of food were piled.

There were no dystrophics in the army sets; the unfitness for the health of the drill was the exception, and not the current figure reaching nearly half of the call. Any meat could be freely taken on the market - at a price one and a half to two times higher than the store. And they choked in the stores for cheapness not from hunger, but from the eternal obscenity noted by Pushkin in the now forbidden “Tale of Pope and his worker Balda”: “ . And now abroad at sales, where prices are falling at times - the crowding is no less.

As for censorship, this is utter nonsense, especially evident against the background of the present day. There was no such a full-fledged writer in the USSR who would not flourish with might and main and would not be read by all and sundry (well, with rare exceptions). And there is no film banned in the USSR that would later prove to be great.

With the current alleged absence of censorship of writers equal to Sholokhov, Bulgakov, Pasternak, Shukshin, Kazakov, Rasputin, Roshchin - did not become at all. Today, not censorship - but censorship. God forbid that the wrong person was hurt or not, and the writer takes off forever. He is not being bullied like Pasternak, the analysis of whose unsuccessful Doctor Zhivago novel was given a whole number of Literary Newspaper from October 25 from 1958 of the year - not an advertisement, but an advertisement! He is simply blocked by oxygen gradually - and he self-destructs.



However, for me, the main merit of the Soviet power remained not in the general saturation of the population and its good health - although this is a plus. But man does not live by bread alone - what a shame it is not to know the intellectual who works on the vocation with the "spiritual father of the country" Zhvanetsky. And this “not by bread alone” in Soviet society was immeasurably higher than in the present.

From childhood I felt some kind of secret pride of a Soviet person, which remained after deducting all household and production adversities. The Soviet people won the Civil War, having beaten off along the way the immense corps of intervention; beat Hitler, who had insecure the whole of Europe; raised the country of two devastations - and all this at the cost of countless sweat and blood. So, in the Soviet system there was something so terribly attractive, for which the people were ready to pay the most terrible price!

I think this could be associated with only one thing that we in the USSR have achieved unconditionally - with the abolition of private property. At the same time, even our socialist abandonment carried in itself something that all Western ownership did not carry. After all, the whole thing is, in the long run, not what we are in - but what we are naked. And now a naked man - a spectacle in every sense of disgusting, why he began to need a pile of clothes covering his naked shame.

In the USSR, the construction of a pumping station was a nationwide feat, all the newspapers sang about it, sometimes badly - but about this; on this, that is, on the labor process, titles, laureates and orders were earned. Yes, this pump has since been captured by villains, but it was essentially correct. And when a heap of wingless ants, without any pomp, fumbles about somewhere, on which a closed group of bloodsuckers later profit - this is already something disgusting and undermining everything human ...

And he was - this fabulous, centuries-old moment of liberation from the shackles of capital and wage labor, for which we were ready to die in wars and work hard, not sparing ourselves, on the construction sites of communism!



The selfless pravdolyub Alexander Blok, on the eve of the 17 revolution, wrote about the secret aspirations of the Russian people: "The land is one, the land of God, the land is the property of the whole people." And even if it is a neglected wasteland, but the main thing is not separate flowering areas ...

Bad Soviet ideologues for some reason confronted us with Christ - in the most precious way, fostered by previous history. But it was the Soviet people who were in direct harmony with his covenants - and not today's hypocrites and gluttons, heirs of Soviet careerists.

For man is so immortal and great, how great and immortal is that he is capable of loving. And in the Soviet country, this field for love was immense. A small researcher from Odessa came to me, after reading some of my notes, with a fatal plan of salvation and restructuring of our entire economy, and at the same time the world one - this was in his footnote. The high chiefs met such walkers with kicks (although not always), but they drove and drove, honoring their entire country - and not just their corner from the ottoman to the toilet. Or, as today, the space from the master's house to the servants' house.

Its own country, immense as a soul, was what was the secret of long Soviet perseverance and production successes that we did not take off now.



And why did we all think this through - there was not enough spirit to save the holy idea, when parasites saddled it. They believed in these clever Maximov language, singers of countless chickens and all sorts of bright packages - for which, yes, there was some kind of deficit, but not critical and not tragic ...

What today pulls them for dirtying the generous cradle to which they grew up? In nostalgia for the USSR, they sense a threat to the realm of the belly that they would like to consolidate in Russia forever ...

Maksimov, arguing in terms of edible and entertaining for a full belly, wonders where this craving for the USSR now comes from, where sometimes it was impossible to buy chicken without a queue. And this thrust comes from the eternal principle, from Christ, from Blok, from the great Soviet literature and the great Soviet cinema. The USSR was first of all spiritual, and the present system was not. And this current barren system for the gluttony of some who have eroded as a wardrobe, and the poverty of others lost the main thing - the soul.

And why not exist without a soul?
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  1. poquello
    poquello 30 March 2016 13: 00
    -153%
    What Maximov writes about Soviet supply is both true and not. There was a deficit - but the per capita consumption of meat and other natural products in the USSR was much higher than now.

    lies
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 30 March 2016 13: 05
      +73
      Yes, it was difficult to feed such a carcass as that of a maxim, configurationally similar to a duffel bag. So hungry dreams from the past torment the heart. One must eat to live, not live to eat! negative
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 March 2016 13: 11
        -114%
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Yes, it was difficult to feed such a carcass as that of a maxim, configurationally similar to a duffel bag. So hungry dreams from the past torment the heart. One must eat to live, not live to eat! negative

        and what does the maxim have to do with it, if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, it was necessary to look for it
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 30 March 2016 13: 16
          +40
          And now it’s full
          Quote: poquello
          normal eating
          just to sense.
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 March 2016 13: 27
            -72%
            Quote: sdc_alex
            And now it’s full
            Quote: poquello
            normal eating
            just to sense.

            and this is another question and hypocritically inventing a fairy tale about the sweet life in the USSR is not worth it, its pluses, its minuses
            1. neo.
              neo. 30 March 2016 13: 42
              +126
              There were huge pluses:
              - There was MUCH less crime.
              - Prices are MUCH more affordable for the average man (flying an average average man on a plane by a small one, the average distance could be 2 times there and back by one average salary !!!)
              - The quality of the products - ORDER ABOVE!
              - The level of medical care, education, security was MUCH ABOVE!
              IS FREE!
              - EVERYTHING IS PROVIDED BY WORK! (Even forced!)
              - EVERYTHING was provided with housing (Just don’t need about communal apartments, Khrushchevs! Everything with time could have reached the same way as now)
              What are the commensurate minuses, just do not talk about ideology, blah, blah, blah.
              It was also normal, friendly, responsible!
              1. Vend
                Vend 30 March 2016 14: 26
                -33%
                Quote: neo.
                There were huge pluses:
                - There was MUCH less crime.
                - Prices are MUCH more affordable for the average man (flying an average average man on a plane by a small one, the average distance could be 2 times there and back by one average salary !!!)
                - The quality of the products - ORDER ABOVE!
                - The level of medical care, education, security was MUCH ABOVE!
                IS FREE!
                - EVERYTHING IS PROVIDED BY WORK! (Even forced!)
                - EVERYTHING was provided with housing (Just don’t need about communal apartments, Khrushchevs! Everything with time could have reached the same way as now)
                What are the commensurate minuses, just do not talk about ideology, blah, blah, blah.
                It was also normal, friendly, responsible!

                Well, not quite like that.
                - There was enough crime, they just didn’t show crime reports on TV.
                - Prices for tickets, yes, bread for 20 kopecks and a bagel for 5 kopecks, yes it was. And a color TV for 360 rubles, when the average salary is from 80-120 rubles. And "Zhiguli" cost 3500. Somehow not quite available.
                - Yes, there was quality, you just can’t get around it, but I remember the dumplings in the store, in a cardboard box, stuck together in a single lump, I can’t tear it apart.
                - Medical care was free, but according to the level, it is enough to look at the good old magazine "Crocodile" and its jokes about our medical care. The dentist was treated and torn alive, without anesthesia. The education was of high quality, but my daughters are 10 and 7 years old, now they teach many times more. They didn't ask me that much.
                - Yes, they were provided with work and correctly said forcibly, there was even such an article for parasitism.
                - Housing was provided, long lines of life, one could not get it. My parents were lucky, we were 4 in the family and my father worked at the mine. And before that they lived in a hut.
                You shouldn’t just draw a rainbow, it was different. Both good and bad. There was a collapse of the army, there was an attempt to destroy the Airborne Forces as a military unit, there were bases where you could buy everything, but not everyone, there were factories where the machines stood for 1932 of the year, though they worked and so on. Do not cover up with rainbow paint.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 30 March 2016 14: 43
                  +6
                  Quote: Wend
                  ... And "Zhiguli" 3500 cost

                  That was how much the Zaporozhets cost, and the cheapest Zhiguli was 5500. But to buy them, you had to be so twisted ... Don't tell fairy tales laughing
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 30 March 2016 14: 46
                    -16%
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    Quote: Wend
                    ... And "Zhiguli" 3500 cost

                    That was how much the Zaporozhets cost, and the cheapest Zhiguli was 5500. But to buy them, you had to be so twisted ... Don't tell fairy tales laughing

                    Yes, you’re right, I’ve made a mistake, but radish horseradish is not sweeter. With your clarification, it still turns out. wink
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 30 March 2016 16: 24
                      +20
                      For those who "hait" Soviet Russia, the USSR, the socialist system, it makes sense to turn to the book:
                      Starikov N. Power. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2016 .-- 320 p.
                      Old men there on the example of the history of the Russian Empire, USSR / RF, Ukraine, the Baltic countries, Georgia, SAR, Turkey, Crimea, etc. reveals very important questions for any state: what is power? what does it consist of? why is it needed? how to get it? how to use it? How to hold her? how to lose her? Etc.
                      In the book of N. Starikov, the reign of Khrushchev is examined in detail separately. This is due to what caused a food shortage in the USSR in those days, which was not so easy to get rid of for decades.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 30 March 2016 16: 33
                        +20
                        And for a clear comparison of the times of socialism and capitalism in the Russian Federation in terms of the size of corruption and social stratification, here are videos for a mental warm-up to all those who believe that everything was bad in the country in Soviet times, and now everything is very good under capitalism.






                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 30 March 2016 19: 19
                        +15
                        Well, and this is a video about how the leaders of the USSR betrayed the Soviet country and the socialist system of the USA and the "collective West". And how, at the same time, a deficit was created in the country and production was closed.

                        M. Gorbachev - Agent of influence of Britain and the USA (MI-6 and the CIA)

                        Chubais and Gorbachev-agents of British intelligence MI-6
                      3. neo.
                        neo. 30 March 2016 21: 14
                        +26
                        Quote: Wend
                        so it is enough to look at the good old magazine "Crocodile" and his jokes about our
                        So it was at that time that "Crocodile" was making fun of those shortcomings that are now not considered shortcomings. Then the level was still HIGHER!
                        And today, seeing the situation, "Crocodile" Kondraty would have had enough!
                        Would die fucked, instantly!
                      4. BARKHAN
                        BARKHAN 31 March 2016 16: 17
                        +5
                        Tatyana, thank you very much for the video. Very interesting. And sad.
                        The other day, the respected Roman Skomorokhov was considering options involved in the murder of Mozgovoy. Yes, here they are! Everyone clutching their teeth for power and money. And like those who are afraid of the fire of New Russia, Mozgovoy, Strelkov ... Well, nothing, wait ...
                      5. Mahmut
                        Mahmut April 2 2016 07: 53
                        +1
                        The state was stronger. Everything else is a lie. Previously, prices were affordable - now the goods have become affordable. It's like in a cartoon about a pot and a pipe, or one or the other. Previously, people were brothers and there was less crime. Yes, less, especially in the evenings, if you go to the wrong street where you live or (jackals flock on the corner at the deli ...). Not like now. Soviet joke on the topic of cheap flights. The speaker at the congress rostrum promises that by the end of the five-year plan, air flights on the Vladivostok-Moscow route will become as affordable and cheap as a trolley bus ride. Everyone applauds, but one gets up asking a question
                        - and for what?
                        - As for what, the speaker is surprised, and suddenly the meat will be delivered.
                        In the USSR, everyone was equal. This equality was especially manifested in the equality of the columns passing by the servants of the people on May 1 and November 7. And there was also the famous all-Union "Artek" that any excellent student from a proletarian family could dream of. And then there were prosecutors and judges who imprisoned their offspring for the slightest prank. Not like the current ones. And look at the current spiritless Chubais, Gaidars, Basayevs. Is it possible to believe that once these people headed the Komsomol or party city committees and regional committees. Anyway, dig up any of the current masters of life. Surely all of them in their youth were apolitical dissidents, and not the first leaders of the party and ministries. The author takes advantage of the fact that on this forum 90% are salabons (now they will redden it) and therefore here you can rub oil on your ears. It's too late for me to hang up noodles, I have lived more than half my life in a scoop. Guys - don't trust anyone. Read Soviet anecdotes and learn the truth about equality and friendship between peoples. Jokes can be trusted. They were not invented by the CIA or the Central Committee of the CPSU. The people invented them. The people who lived in those days.
                      6. Starley from the south
                        Starley from the south April 2 2016 09: 24
                        0
                        To understand all the advantages of the USSR it was necessary to live at that time. Yes, then it was impossible to get your own yacht and sunbathe for months in Hawaii, there was no parmesan and Coke, but do we need it? Our country was huge, a miracle, not a country, there were so many things! What only national drinks and the same cheeses could be found, most of us did not even hear. Now, of course, Russia is not the USSR, there are fewer peoples, but still much remains valuable in the cultures of our peoples. And places where you can relax? We just don’t know everything that we have. You can chic rest in the sanatoriums in the taiga near Tomsk or in Kislovodsk, and for the sea we have Crimea. It’s even interesting - to make Crimea itself the way we want to see it ... Why ... then we are abroad (Geyropa)?
                    2. Foxmara
                      Foxmara April 2 2016 11: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Barkhan
                      And, as they are afraid of fire, New Russia, Brain, Strelkov ... Well, nothing, wait ...

                      I don’t know about Mozgovoy, but Strelkov turned out to be as much a Maidan as those on the other hand. When it didn’t go according to his scenario (Russia did not explicitly enter the war), frank speeches about the revolution went
              2. bovig
                bovig 31 March 2016 07: 54
                +6
                Quote: Tatiana
                For those who "hait" Soviet Russia, the USSR, the socialist system, it makes sense to turn to the book:
                Starikov N. Power. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2016 .-- 320 p.
                Old men there on the example of the history of the Russian Empire, USSR / RF, Ukraine, the Baltic countries, Georgia, SAR, Turkey, Crimea, etc. reveals very important questions for any state: what is power? what does it consist of? why is it needed? how to get it? how to use it? How to hold her? how to lose her? Etc.
                In the book of N. Starikov, the reign of Khrushchev is examined in detail separately. This is due to what caused a food shortage in the USSR in those days, which was not so easy to get rid of for decades.

                Oh, Tatyana, what are you! It is necessary to read, think, compare, analyze, draw conclusions ... Why, if it is easier to think associatively, try using other people's prepared stamps and hang up labels ...)))) Maximov wrote: it was bad, but I remembered what I wanted to buy I’m wearing fashionable jeans for myself, but I had to give a whole salary for them - so I’ll match that Maxim’s revenge with the entire USSR for having healed this salary at the very moment and had to go to consumer goods! Well, such is it associative thinking!)))) And to read, analyze, think and draw your own conclusions is, excuse me, titanic work!)))
              3. Foxmara
                Foxmara April 2 2016 11: 53
                0
                You are writing correctly, but how it was - the union was not an ideal, otherwise it would not have collapsed, but there were a lot of good and sound ones, therefore the discussions are hot and spears break. Nobody sure wants to re-learn the history of the CPSU, but confidence in tomorrow and even today is lacking for many. As well as the sensation of purpose in life. Big. With a capital letter.
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 March 2016 21: 03
            -20%
            Quote: Wend
            . With your clarification, it still turns out.

            What's worse? Prize payment for the engineer 120 rub. to put in a money-box for four years, to stand in line to buy a "penny"? Of course, happiness and thanks to the dear party for the kindness and affection!
            1. Pre-cat
              Pre-cat 31 March 2016 12: 35
              +27
              Quote: Bayonet
              The salary of an engineer is 120 p.

              That's enough tales about the salary of an engineer of 120 rubles to tell! 120 is a bare salary. No surcharges, nightly, premium, etc. With markups - depending on the production, 160-200 rubles came out. And there were more engineering salaries - again, depending on the production and the position held. And who wanted to earn - earned. And he didn’t groan in the kitchen for a bite, by the way, which was a sausage made of meat. And no need to correct now that there were lines behind her. I don’t know where, but in our Primorsky Krai, it’s always boiled in a store.
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 31 March 2016 17: 54
              +10
              Quote: The cat is half-educated
              sausage which was made of meat.

              Quote: The cat is half-educated
              that there were lines behind her

              The main thing is that people had money to buy it all up and put it in the refrigerator, but there were some problems with pineapples or bananas, but I didn’t become happier with pineapple ... I would now have a crack on the table.
            3. Rastas
              Rastas April 1 2016 18: 42
              +1
              I read an interesting story from the historian A. Shubin. In 1990 he went to Sweden and there he talked with the Swedes about everyday life, started talking about shops. Shubin said that going to the store takes about an hour - there is a queue, we are waiting for the food to arrive. And the Swedes said they spend about the same amount of time shopping. "And why?" - asked Shubin. "We are looking for where it is cheaper" - answered the Swedes.
          3. 933454818
            933454818 31 March 2016 18: 42
            +5
            Well, I don’t know about wrapping up, but being the head of the electric boiler house at the poultry farm I received 140 rubles. there was a true recalculation based on the results of the year, when there was an overfulfillment of the plan (if there was one) then it still dropped 200-300 p. and that’s all. My father worked for a long time as a master of the heating network section and received 120 rubles. We lived and ate on my father’s salary, and my mother’s salary (minder of pumping units — ok 180-190 r) went to the book, so I bought it IZH-Jupiter motorcycle with a sidecar, and then Zaporozhets ZAZ-966B. About sausage, I already wrote that in the city of Rudny in Kazakhstan there have been no sausages or meat in stores since 1972.
          4. Referent
            Referent 31 March 2016 20: 08
            +19
            It's a pity for Kazakhstan! I was born and raised in sunny Kyrgyzstan! Neighbors! Lived in Tokmak and urban-type settlement. Min-Kush! Compatriots (if there is - HELLO!) So, in my home refrigerator I always remember smoked sausage (which I liked to break in pieces), sausages and even cans of canned fish ("SOKHRA" import from red fish). Father is a driver, mother is a nurse in kindergarten. I don’t remember if there was meat in the sausage, but my brother and I were always full and happy. WE ARE BORN IN THE USSR!
        2. Pushkar
          Pushkar April 1 2016 19: 00
          +1
          Quote: Cat undereducated
          I don’t know where, but in our Primorsky Krai, it’s always boiled in a store.
          I will talk about Primorye in 1969-74. The remoteness allowances were not so great. I was a military man. The lieutenant (commander’s platoon) has a full salary of 124 rubles in the West, in Primorye - 156 rubles. In stores (in Nakhodka and near Nakhodka) meat and sausages were absent as a class. It was like a mockery - whale meat (imagine beef soaked in rancid fish oil). Hungarian chickens were imported once a month (1 per family, according to the list), 1 kg of Krakow and ten eggs. All with a mark in the list. And we have a baby. Lived at the expense of my ration. Threesomes. I don’t think that civilians lived much better. To work on additional work, it was necessary to take written permission from the authorities at the main place of work.
        3. asher
          asher April 2 2016 08: 49
          0
          1970 year Irkutsk region I’m 8 years old a local meat factory produces wonderful sausages and sausages, sausages are only cooked 3 varieties, but what is most remembered is pork rolls and very tasty. Now I don’t see them at all. The deficit was with fruits and vegetables in the spring.
          By the way, an uncle from Khabarovsk in those years constantly sent parcels with smoked chum salmon and canned goods in Primorye there was always an abundance, as well as fresh seafood. But in general, the comments do not reflect a simple fact - the USSR was a very diverse country in terms of supply and relied heavily on local resources. I happened to live in Siberia and Uzbekistan, and on long business trips throughout the country. So life was fundamentally different.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 April 1 2016 23: 03
      +2
      And now, with a salary of 15000, how much do you need to add to buy the cheapest car? Not enough for a lifetime. After all, you need to eat
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS April 1 2016 23: 11
      -1
      Quote: woron333444
      And now, with a salary of 15000, how much do you need to add to buy the cheapest car?

      And the president says everything is fine belay
      Quote: woron333444
      After all, you need to eat

      Eat exclusively TV channel, there are all survival tips
  • gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 31 March 2016 07: 15
    +7
    I forgot to write about interest-free credit on the same TV.
    and it's a shame for you that the Lada could not buy it then.
  • goose
    goose 30 March 2016 15: 10
    +33
    Quote: Bayonet
    That was how much the Zaporozhets cost, and the cheapest Zhiguli was 5500. But to buy them, you had to be so twisted ... Don't tell fairy tales

    It was a hidden tax on "consumerism". Basic needs were met either free of charge or at a minimal cost. Instead of private transport, a very developed public transport worked, therefore there were no traffic jams, as such.
    1. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 15: 34
      -13%
      Quote: goose
      ... Instead of private transport, a very developed public transport operated, and therefore there were no traffic jams as such.

      Well, where did he work, and where didn’t he normally work, did they hear about the rubber bus?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 56
        +29
        Well, where did he work, and where didn’t he normally work, did they hear about the rubber bus?


        And what, right now at rush hour, everyone is sitting right in their seats? So then you’ll even get there quickly, but now you’ll also be stuck in traffic.
      2. poquello
        poquello 30 March 2016 16: 13
        -36%
        Quote: alicante11
        Well, where did he work, and where didn’t he normally work, did they hear about the rubber bus?


        And what, right now at rush hour, everyone is sitting right in their seats? So then you’ll even get there quickly, but now you’ll also be stuck in traffic.

        we live and lived in different places and we have subjective assessments of what is happening, IMHO the difference is simply huge, in the USSR there was not transport, but mockery and humiliation, but it was possible to slip through
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 24
        +17
        we live and lived in different places and have subjective assessments of what is happening,


        Don't refer to "places". I perfectly remember the stampede on the buses. But in the afternoon and evening after work, this was not. And now it's exactly the same.
        But about the hares - few were. They threw a penny and tore off a ticket. Even for one stop.
      4. poquello
        poquello 30 March 2016 17: 10
        -23%
        Quote: alicante11
        Don't refer to "places".

        necessary! I forgot when I was standing by public transport.
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 30 March 2016 20: 14
        +5
        Poquello

        I will tell you such a thing that will reconcile the communists and capitalists. And he will make the capitalist a friend to the worker.

        I will try to be brief so that you understand.
        Only principles.

        I.V. Stalin formally created monopoly capitalism. They called it socialism, which in general is true

        According to the definition of the classics, the capitalist is the owner of the means of production. So, the government of the USSR formally was the owner of all means of production. Although it was claimed that the means of production belong to the people. It does not matter.

        Since capitalism triumphed in the USSR, finally and without alternative, the environment of competition for material resources has disappeared. There was only one winning participant in the game. Then I.V. Stalin decided to bring competition to another area of ​​development. In the field of science and education. Do you remember the Stalinist shortening of the working day? Given the reorientation to education.

        What would it give?

        Since the material side in Stalin’s plans has already received a stable foundation, in view of the development of technology, the growth of science has opened up the infinity of human development.

        This is not a material development market for you, which is limited only by material resources. The ideal has no boundaries.

        Thus, that famous transition from quantity to quality is obtained.

        Capitalists receive unlimited orders, bankers unlimited financing opportunities. Workers guaranteed income, which never decreases, but increases with the development of technology. No contradictions.

        Humanity was one step away from a huge leap in development.

        But Khrushchev, obos. Ral all raspberries. And all around the world.
      6. gladcu2
        gladcu2 30 March 2016 20: 56
        0
        Given the written hope everyone.

        It is easy to create the transition of capitalism from quantitative material accumulation to qualitative accumulation in any industrially developed country.

        It is enough to withdraw salaries from the field of material competition. In the field of material competition, it is necessary to leave only the income of entrepreneurs and bankers.

        Technically, the following is done. All wages of all forms of ownership go through state control with the simultaneous development of state statistical open access to information to the center.

        Through generation, there will be a transition from quantity to quality.
      7. gladcu2
        gladcu2 30 March 2016 22: 01
        0
        Two things must be able to separate. This is the salary and income of entrepreneurs.

        An entrepreneur may have a salary, then this salary must go through the state resource. But entrepreneurs also have business income. This income can only be left under the tax system.

        State statistics will give the entrepreneur a planning tool; the state can recommend or create a state order.

        3 players are technically involved. State, population, private business.
        The state as an arbiter.
      8. gladcu2
        gladcu2 30 March 2016 22: 13
        0
        The key idea is that Leninist transition of capitalism from quantity to quality.

        The idea does not confront any form of ownership.
    2. bovig
      bovig 31 March 2016 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: gladcu2
      Given the written hope everyone.

      It is easy to create the transition of capitalism from quantitative material accumulation to qualitative accumulation in any industrially developed country.

      It is enough to withdraw salaries from the field of material competition. In the field of material competition, it is necessary to leave only the income of entrepreneurs and bankers.

      Technically, the following is done. All wages of all forms of ownership go through state control with the simultaneous development of state statistical open access to information to the center.

      Through generation, there will be a transition from quantity to quality.

      Your ideas are interesting and not without reason, but usurious capital will never lead to general prosperity ... With bankers you have gone too far! Usurious interest is a source of inflation and all other distortions! Everything else that you lit, I liked.
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 31 March 2016 13: 26
      0
      Boving

      These are not my ideas.

      These are the ideas of the classics. Marx, Lenin, and Stalin gave them life.

      Moneylenders have already reduced the percentage to a reasonable small. Something about .5%. There is no way out, production has stopped. Money supply is already in the financial sector. A consumer of goods sits without money. Restart on a new one only by turning on the printing press.

      As soon as they turn on the printing press, speculators turn these grandmothers on the exchanges and all futures will rise in price again. No money. All money is in securities.

      People are unemployed. There is time. You can exert strength in science. 10% of the economy is enough to feed and provide a resource for the development of science.

      What need to do? Provide people with constant wages. To withdraw this salary from the field of competition, so that it did not decrease. Then the professors of mathematics will not start trucking companies to feed their family. create high-tech jobs.

      The real consumer sector will appear.
  • Arkady Kakiy
    Arkady Kakiy 31 March 2016 11: 27
    0
    Oh how everything is right (right) said
  • alicante11
    alicante11 31 March 2016 15: 22
    +1
    necessary! I forgot when I was standing by public transport.


    Probably because you drive a car. But sometimes I have to ride trolleybuses and buses. So do not la la.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 31 March 2016 15: 27
    +2
    You are not working? live in a summer house in the fresh air? fundamentally use only your own car? I, too, will not ride standing by public transport if I leave my stop at 6.20 and from the last at 6.30. and from work around 20.00
  • bovig
    bovig 31 March 2016 08: 25
    +10
    Quote: alicante11
    we live and lived in different places and have subjective assessments of what is happening,


    Don't refer to "places". I perfectly remember the stampede on the buses. But in the afternoon and evening after work, this was not. And now it's exactly the same.
    But about the hares - few were. They threw a penny and tore off a ticket. Even for one stop.

    So if you threw a pretty penny, which you didn’t put in a jar on the Zhiguli, then you don’t know about the "hares" ...)))) And the one who lived this pretty penny in order to buy himself prestige in the form of personal vehicles, he was forced to travel "hare"! And now he takes revenge on the whole USSR for his humiliation!))) This is a complex caused by long-standing mental disorders ...))
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 30 March 2016 16: 03
    +13
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: goose
    ... Instead of private transport, a very developed public transport operated, and therefore there were no traffic jams as such.

    Well, where did he work, and where didn’t he normally work, did they hear about the rubber bus?

    It only began at the end of the 80's when the camber was gaining full speed, the same with coupons. We had a line for the production of washing powder at one enterprise, but they were not allowed to collect it stupidly.
  • poquello
    poquello 30 March 2016 16: 17
    -21%
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: goose
    ... Instead of private transport, a very developed public transport operated, and therefore there were no traffic jams as such.

    Well, where did he work, and where didn’t he normally work, did they hear about the rubber bus?

    It only began in the late 80s, ...

    there are routes where rubber buses were as far as I can remember, but ended with the advent of lines
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 30 March 2016 16: 33
    +16
    Maybe. So now in some places it has become even worse. Optimization. No buses, no trains. I mean the countryside.
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 30 March 2016 20: 49
    +1
    Quote: goose
    Basic needs were met either for free or at the lowest price.

    Yes Yes. They "threw out" the toilet paper - a kilometer-long queue (you didn't have time to cut the newspapers), chickens were "given" - a queue, Italian boots - a queue. For washing machines "Vyatka" - 5 years, "baby" of the year 3. For refrigerators there is a queue measured in years. For cars - the same.

    Look at the old films if you don't remember. "Office romance" for example, when it was impossible to buy shoes for a child. So don't talk about basic needs. And the trains are sausage ... And the tables of orders, when the load to the deficit was given to no one needed crap. And mutota on TV about milk yield and milk yield.

    So there is no need to idealize the USSR. There were huge advantages, such as free education, employment, confidence in the future, and there were huge disadvantages. What was it was. Like Shevchuk's "Motherland" - And we like her, although not a beauty
    1. andj61
      andj61 30 March 2016 21: 19
      +16
      Quote: Winnie76
      Yes Yes. They "threw out" the toilet paper - a kilometer-long queue (you didn't have time to cut the newspapers), chickens were "given" - a queue, Italian boots - a queue. For washing machines "Vyatka" - 5 years, "baby" of the year 3. For refrigerators there is a queue measured in years. For cars - the same.

      Not everything is true. There were queues for chickens, but for cheap ones, at 1-30, but at 1-70, but they were more beautiful very often, they even lay there. Boots - both Finnish, and German, and Italian - really only in line. But ours - made of genuine leather - were on sale freely, but were not in demand. There was a queue for "Vyatka" for about a year. But at the beginning, somewhere in 1981-83. they began to be distributed among enterprises, but no one bought them: we are not used to automatic machines. And they were free enough, there were no queues. The queues began only somewhere in 1985. Malyutka lasted no more than six months, and in 1990 there were a lot of them, and there were no queues, although they did not lie free.
      Refrigerators were on sale without queues at all. There were only queues for two or three-compartment refrigerators. And very high quality. in 2012, he finally threw away the single-chamber refrigerator "Polyus", purchased in 1985. And threw it out because of its appearance - scratches, abrasions, cracked freezer door, etc. It worked quite well.
    2. bovig
      bovig 31 March 2016 11: 04
      +8
      Quote: andj61
      Quote: Winnie76
      Yes Yes. They "threw out" the toilet paper - a kilometer-long queue (you didn't have time to cut the newspapers), chickens were "given" - a queue, Italian boots - a queue. For washing machines "Vyatka" - 5 years, "baby" of the year 3. For refrigerators there is a queue measured in years. For cars - the same.

      Not everything is true. There were queues for chickens, but for cheap ones, at 1-30, but at 1-70, but they were more beautiful very often, they even lay there. Boots - both Finnish, and German, and Italian - really only in line. But ours - made of genuine leather - were on sale freely, but were not in demand. There was a queue for "Vyatka" for about a year. But at the beginning, somewhere in 1981-83. they began to be distributed among enterprises, but no one bought them: we are not used to automatic machines. And they were free enough, there were no queues. The queues began only somewhere in 1985. Malyutka lasted no more than six months, and in 1990 there were a lot of them, and there were no queues, although they did not lie free.
      Refrigerators were on sale without queues at all. There were only queues for two or three-compartment refrigerators. And very high quality. in 2012, he finally threw away the single-chamber refrigerator "Polyus", purchased in 1985. And threw it out because of its appearance - scratches, abrasions, cracked freezer door, etc. It worked quite well.

      The fact is that it is completely useless to argue with "custom comments" ... They will always find the "arguments" they need from particular cases, but they never admit the fact that the DEFICIENCY was CREATED artificially (when there was an abundance of everything in the warehouses) by interested persons. .. Moreover, they will not even try to find out the REASONS of such imbalances - it is important for them to bluntly groan! This is their essence!
    3. vjatsergey
      vjatsergey 31 March 2016 11: 14
      +13
      Totally agree with you! Mother and sister raised us alone for the salary of a cleaning lady. Yes, our black-and-white TV appeared much later than my friends who had fathers, but now show me a cleaning lady (not in Gazprom) with a salary of 5-7 thousand so she can feed two children, I don’t I say what else to dress them and buy something at home.
  • bovig
    bovig 31 March 2016 08: 07
    +7
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Wend
    ... And "Zhiguli" 3500 cost

    That was how much the Zaporozhets cost, and the cheapest Zhiguli was 5500. But to buy them, you had to be so twisted ... Don't tell fairy tales laughing

    And you know, I did not pursue prestige and did not torment myself by dodging, did not infringe on my needs for the purpose of accumulating in Zhiguli - I went to work and work from the Volga (by taxi!) ... There were enough salaries, but I did not bother about the garage, repairs, gasoline, friction with the traffic police! You see, I just LIVED for my pleasure! Perhaps that is why I did not accumulate bile in relation to the USSR!)))
    1. vjatsergey
      vjatsergey 31 March 2016 11: 20
      +3
      I also wanted to live without denying anything to myself, and therefore, after an army and five years of imprisonment, I immediately left for the North. I never wanted to have a car, although cars in the North were even given on credit at a miserable percentage.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 March 2016 15: 03
    +35
    Well, not quite like that.
    to each his own. During the eighties I traveled half the Union, it was calm day and night.
    according to statistics, the average salary was 180
    "Crocodile" you say, here is just the question of censorship, now there are critical magazines, films?
    education in the USSR was better, in any case, no one uttered an illiterate "vrazy"
    As a young specialist, I was supposed to get a dwelling three years after graduation, but this did not happen to Yeltsin.
    1. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 15: 38
      -17%
      Quote: Gardamir
      Well, not quite like that.
      to each his own. During the eighties I traveled half the Union, it was calm day and night.
      according to statistics, the average salary was 180
      "Crocodile" you say, here is just the question of censorship, now there are critical magazines, films?
      ...

      Uh, dear transmission, now, in front of my eyes, after one ordinary telephone complaint, they put the whole hospital on the ears, in what.
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 30 March 2016 17: 08
      +13
      to each his own. During the eighties I traveled half the Union, it was calm day and night.
      according to statistics, the average salary was 180
      "Crocodile" you say, here is just the question of censorship, now there are critical magazines, films?
      education in the USSR was better, in any case, no one uttered an illiterate "vrazy"
      As a young specialist, I was supposed to get a dwelling three years after graduation, but this did not happen to Yeltsin.


      I will join ... I traveled around Central Asia, walked in the evenings - no problems, everywhere there was a normal attitude. Yes, and it looks like housing, only a little earlier, under Gorbachev, they changed the rules every year - they were thrown out of the queue, then restored, and the collapse of "perestroika" was in full swing ...
  • Uncle VasyaSayapin
    Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 March 2016 15: 19
    +20
    Machine tools 32 years - is it bad or good? My father had Swiss milling equipment, pre-revolutionary, at the factory. It still works, only now for private owners. In the 60s, the steam engine was replaced by electric motors, and in the 80s, machine gunners installed sensors to make everything work.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 20
    +50
    And color TV for 360 rubles, when the average salary is from 80-120 rubles


    And now, before 100tys, a big plasma, with a salary in 20tys? It is better? It was also hi-tech for that time. It was completely logical to sell the first televisions at an expensive price in order to increase production with this money. Do not want to pay, look black and white and wait until the market is saturated and prices fall. Isn’t it right now?

    And "Zhiguli" cost 3500. Somehow not quite available.


    so NEW. And now the Lada-viburnum 400-500 thousand is very affordable? The new Toyota sedan in the Toyota Center is already under 2mln, probably, 5years were already 900ty years ago. I’m silent about Kruzak.

    - Yes, there was quality, you just can’t get around it, but I remember the dumplings in the store, in a cardboard box, stuck together in a single lump, I can’t tear it apart.


    Well, because they were stored incorrectly in the store, thawed, and then froze again. But they were delicious, as I remember now, my mother sometimes fried in butter and I called it "pies". Now there are none.

    The dentist was treated and vomited alive, without anesthesia


    Well, there was already novocaine in the middle of the 80's. And where was better?

    Education was of high quality, but my daughters, 10 and 7 years old, are now learning many times more. They didn’t ask me so much.


    At the same time, we received more knowledge.

    - Housing was provided, long lines of life, one could not get it. My parents were lucky, we were 4 in the family and my father worked at the mine. And before that they lived in a hut.


    And after 4 of my year of work in the Civil Aviation Administration, my father was offered a two-room apartment, though he refused in favor of a large colleague. They got the apartment after another 5 years. And before that they didn’t live in a hut, my grandmother on my father’s side had a couple, her sister’s on a maternal side, my grandmother’s on my mother’s side — first in Nikolayevs, then they moved to Khabarovsk, her sister also had his own house, in Nikolaevsk everyone There were relatives or houses or apartments, even among young people.

    No one draws a rainbow. But it was BETTER than now.
    1. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 15: 45
      -18%
      Quote: alicante11
      The new Toyota sedan in the Toyota Center is already under 2 million, probably about 5 years ago 900 years ago. ...

      Well, with the USSR and the toyota-sedan, there’s a bust, Moskvich is a people's car, Lada just did not stand in the store.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 58
        +21
        Well, with the USSR and the toyota-sedan, there’s a bust, Moskvich is a people's car, Lada just did not stand in the store.


        You seem to be talking about prices. So I brought you both "folk" and "Toyota". By the way, they also consider not a cool car there. it was not in vain that I said that I am simply silent about the "Kruzak", it is clearly not a national one.
        1. poquello
          poquello 30 March 2016 16: 25
          -12%
          Quote: alicante11
          Well, with the USSR and the toyota-sedan, there’s a bust, Moskvich is a people's car, Lada just did not stand in the store.


          You seem to be talking about prices. So I brought you both "folk" and "Toyota". By the way, they also consider not a cool car there. it was not in vain that I said that I am simply silent about the "Kruzak", it is clearly not a national one.

          in addition to prices in the USSR, there was still the availability of services, lines for cars, only talking about prices is not quite objective
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 37
          +20
          in addition to prices in the USSR, there was still the availability of services, lines for cars, only talking about prices is not quite objective


          After all, they explain to you that now it seems as if it is available, but you cannot buy it, "denekh is dumb." And because it is affordable, which not everyone can afford. And then the queue was from those who could afford.
        3. poquello
          poquello 30 March 2016 17: 17
          -12%
          Quote: alicante11
          in addition to prices in the USSR, there was still the availability of services, lines for cars, only talking about prices is not quite objective


          After all, they explain to you that now it seems as if it is available, but you cannot buy it, "denekh is dumb." And because it is affordable, which not everyone can afford. And then the queue was from those who could afford.

          Are you an expert then? Can you tell me how much the 24 new Volga cost from the factory at 10 tyr
        4. aviator65
          aviator65 30 March 2016 19: 49
          +9
          Quote: poquello
          can tell me how much it cost 24 new Volga with the hands at the factory in 10 ty

          We have chosen a good example! "Volga" in those days is, of course, a very "people's" car! Well, just like a Lexus now - what's new from the salon, what's not new from the hands.
        5. bovig
          bovig 31 March 2016 11: 22
          +7
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: alicante11
          in addition to prices in the USSR, there was still the availability of services, lines for cars, only talking about prices is not quite objective


          After all, they explain to you that now it seems as if it is available, but you cannot buy it, "denekh is dumb." And because it is affordable, which not everyone can afford. And then the queue was from those who could afford.

          Are you an expert then? Can you tell me how much the 24 new Volga cost from the factory at 10 tyr

          New Volga with hands THEN cost 20-25 depending on the color! (The black color was the most prestigious!) It was people who overpaid for accessibility, because PEOPLE HAD MONEY, and the level of development of the automobile industry of that time was not yet able to provide NEEDS AVAILABLE TO THE POPULATION! Now car production has reached such a level that it can give cars on credit (like color TVs in the early eighties), but not everyone can afford this loan, because there is a risk that if you smash it to pieces, you hang the debt on your children !!! And the mortgage, God forgive me, does not guarantee that your children will live in the housing you bought! In how !!!))))
        6. alicante11
          alicante11 31 March 2016 15: 24
          +3
          Are you an expert then? Can you tell me how much the 24 new Volga cost from the factory at 10 tyr


          New Wolf with hands? Are you raving Then speculators were not very much favored. In general, it was, like, criminally punishable.
        7. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 31 March 2016 18: 13
          +1
          Gas 24 cost 9200, with an average salary of 120 rubles just throw 800 rubles? these are two "Voskhod" motorcycles for 320 rubles and a moped. In fact, the Volga was then a representative car, not a government one, but for regional and regional executive committees, the surplus was thrown into the people. But if someone had 9200 for the factory one, then it is not so much to throw in a couple of thousand for the sake of a dream.
      2. aviator65
        aviator65 30 March 2016 19: 42
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        But because it’s accessible, that not everyone can afford it. And then it was the turn of those who could not afford it.

        Tooting. Directly removed from the tongue.
  • Andrey591
    Andrey591 30 March 2016 16: 10
    +7
    "Niva" and "Moskvich" - Lux. Sold freely at the end of the 70s, because were expensive.
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 31 March 2016 18: 08
    +3
    "Constipation" was folk, but not "Moskvich".
  • yehat
    yehat April 1 2016 01: 30
    0
    prices for many manufactured goods not of prime necessity (for example, Lada) were inflated, because they were considered luxuries. Prices were calculated so that the average family spent most of their savings.
    But basic necessities, food were cheap. A lot was generally free. Since the 80s, housing construction has moved to modern standards for apartments, people have received for FREE the same as they are currently building.
    Of the minuses, I remembered idiotic and artificial deficits, which were not at all a consequence of the system, but something else. For example, in our city it was tight with clothes and shoes.
    It was very difficult with building materials for private construction - and not because there wasn’t, it was simply considered indecent to build something expensive.
    the city had a mud bath (free spa center), a swimming pool, etc.
    In the USSR, the quality of many goods was not worth the worry. If you take a cake, then it is on cream. You take a can opener and it does not bend, but cuts. Lada at that time were quality. The Volga was even better.
  • Vend
    Vend 30 March 2016 16: 58
    -15%
    Quote: alicante11
    And color TV for 360 rubles, when the average salary is from 80-120 rubles


    No one draws a rainbow. But it was BETTER than now.

    You can also buy good plasma for 30 000. Learn economics amiable. Much more logical is the big turn. What is more profitable 10 on 360 or 100 on 160? And it would be nice for you to learn mathematics. 5500 vs 120 the difference in how many times? 400 000 vs 20 000 the difference in how many times?
    Anesthesia was in 80's, but it was not used in hospitals, why patients will suffer. For the rest of my life I have had a memory since childhood.
    Have you received more education than modern children? Do not make me laugh. My daughters from the first grade teach a foreign language, do projects about Russia, presentations in computer programs.
    Your nostalgia is wonderful, but do not mix nostalgia with reality. Once again, it was both good and bad. Those who pour mud on the USSR and those who praise are equally wrong. And it wasn’t better, it’s enough to look at least at the number of cars on the roads, at the number of people who could take place as entrepreneurs. There are many more prosperous people than then. It’s better for you then, but for me, a man of the three periods of Russia, it’s better now. But it was always difficult.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 30 March 2016 17: 10
      +22
      You can also buy good plasma for 30 000.


      There is no point in arguing about the quality of the plasma for 30 thousand and 100 thousand in relation to a black-and-white TV and color. But even 30 thousand is more than the average salary.

      Much more logical is the big turn.


      so they did it. While the first batches were going on - prices were high, when mass production was established, prices became acceptable.

      My daughters from the first grade teach a foreign language, do projects about Russia, presentations in computer programs.


      And what is a foreign language - is it alpha and omega education? I am sorry for your daughters. And they were patriotic projects even then, in the October organization, then in the pioneer one. But there were no computers, sadness.

      Once again, it was both good and bad. Those who pour mud on the USSR and those who praise are equally wrong


      Golden words, only match them yourself.

      And it wasn’t better, just look at least at the number of cars on the roads,


      Yes, do not look at cars on the road, most of them are used cars.

      by the number of people who could take place as entrepreneurs.


      Imagine that before a person could take place as a miner, engineer, teacher and even in a bunch of professions. And now only an entrepreneur, well, a senior official. It will not be enough!

      There are many more prosperous people than then.


      Do not la la. The rich - yes, more, but the beggars MUCH more. Moreover, in Soviet times, the poor were people who themselves chose such a fate - they drank themselves, went down. And now even working people are in poverty.
    2. yehat
      yehat April 1 2016 03: 10
      0
      learning foreign language from the first classes is not good
      and in general, to think that years of studies decide language skills is also wrong.
      In the first grades, children should be given enough rest
      All that they need can be learned in 4-5 years of tight study at school.
      true, if you exclude insanity from a program like classes on religion.
  • andj61
    andj61 30 March 2016 20: 38
    +8
    Quote: alicante11
    And color TV for 360 rubles, when the average salary is from 80-120 rubles

    And now up to 100 thousand large plasma, with a salary of 20 thousand? It's better?

    In fact, then the cheapest color TV was less than 600 rubles and did not cost. And the Japanese, as the urban legends said, in Moscow sometimes "threw out" 2000. And black and white started from 40 rubles - but very small, 15-20 centimeters diagonally. But the average 50-centimeter black and white could be bought for 150-200 rubles. Also now: some kind of LCD in 25 inches can be bought for ten, plasma in 38 inches - thirty, 40 inches - decent plasma - weaving.
    With the goods in general, the USSR was strained, but we were confident in the future, and anyone could always find a job, and very often - to their liking. And this confidence in the future is the main thing that we have lost.
  • andj61
    andj61 30 March 2016 20: 48
    0
    Quote: alicante11
    The dentist was treated and vomited alive, without anesthesia

    Well, there was already novocaine in the middle of the 80's. And where was better?

    Not only novocaine, but also lidocaine. That's just for the treatment of teeth, then anesthesia was not used: only for removal. Yes, and the drills themselves were such that still trembling from the memories trembles ...
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 30 March 2016 15: 29
    +27
    Quote: Wend
    Well, not quite like that.

    You and I probably lived in different countries or republics.
    There was enough crime, they just didn’t show crime reports on TV.

    If we compare what is happening with crime now, then we can say that then it was not there.
    try to walk around the city now at night without fear and without looking back.
    Well, and most importantly, what I measure the criminal environment, is the possibility of an independent walk, and playing in the courts of our children.
    Today this is not possible in principle.
    Quote: Wend
    - Yes, ticket prices, 20 kopecks for bread and 5 kopecks bagels, yes it was. And a color TV for 360 rubles,

    Those who wanted to make money on a car earned money, and did not moan like some neighbors when the Union was. We had the whole garden in greenhouses, and a greenhouse of 20 square meters (about the greenhouse with its squares, whoever understands the topic) So we earned it, who wanted to, and the tax did not stand behind.

    Quote: Wend
    Quality, yes, you just can’t get around

    You know, modern dumplings in high-quality packaging, with poor-quality contents.
    And the price is not a quality guarantee, checked 5 days ago. What is cheap, what is expensive dumplings today, big G.
    Quote: Wend
    Medical care was free, but according to the level,

    And now how do you like the level, and how free medical care, which includes x-rays, blood and feces with urine. Dentistry is a fairy tale, free, removal, and treatment of caries, everything else is for babosi, and an x-ray of the oral cavity.
    Well, the level and attitude today, like in a barnyard, in most cases. (I personally came across a doctor who was interested in where and by whom I work? My question is how it will help me in treatment, there was no answer)))))))
    )
    Quote: Wend
    Education was of high quality, but my daughters, 10 and 7 years old, are now learning many times more.

    Education is a separate and painful topic, and the video on YouTube with future teachers is replete with horror, such mediocrity will be teachers.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 30 March 2016 15: 29
    +28
    Quote: Wend
    - Housing was provided, long lines of life, one could not get it.

    I don’t know about you, and where you lived in the past, my father, working in the adjustment department (at the mines), got the apartment after 7 years of queue (brand new treshka) I worked at the factory (returning from the ranks of the SA) I was put on the queue for the apartment, Moreover, the chairman of the trade union committee approached me with a proposal, saying that why the young specialist did not get on the line (the apartment was promised for 2-3 years, and the guys really got housing for this period)

    Quote: Wend
    Do not cover up with rainbow paint.

    Yes, it’s not worth it, there were a lot of things, and a lot of things were not there, and we looked with envy to the west, in the end, what do we have? Have you eaten Western goods? Ordinary people think I ate to the full. And all this rainbow-colored paint of the West turned out to be a mirage, no more.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 30 March 2016 21: 51
      +9
      I don’t know about you, and where you lived in the past, my father, working in the adjustment department (at the mines), got the apartment after 7 years of queue (brand new treshka) I worked at the factory (returning from the ranks of the SA) I was put on the queue for the apartment, Moreover, the chairman of the trade union committee approached me with a proposal, saying that why the young specialist did not get on the line (the apartment was promised for 2-3 years, and the guys really got housing for this period)

      my mother, after a divorce from my father, on the advice of I, was in line for Khrushchev in the mid 60's, a cooperative. Grandma and grandfather helped with the contribution - pensioners by that time, after a year and a half we had moved to 1 school, then we paid 15 years, I stress without stress! Reschedule for today ... Who will hire a child alone? Yes, even - a free kindergarten, free breakfast at school and an extension ... And how do you get a mom and child an apartment and pay, deducting from your salary about 10% per month ?? She had no thoughts that she would be left without work and her apartment would be taken for debts! By the way, in Rostov, one activist suggested confiscating housing if the communal debt exceeds 10% of the cost of housing! how do you like that ??
  • Homo
    Homo 30 March 2016 21: 05
    +17
    Quote: Wend
    - There was enough crime, they just didn’t show crime reports on TV.

    Where do you get the information from? In those years I worked in the police and I can say (in the first person) of the crime was several orders of magnitude less.
    Quote: Wend
    And "Zhiguli" cost 3500. Somehow not quite available.

    And whether everyone needs a car. Now dawned on, in a city with a population of 5 and an area of ​​000 square meters. kilometers to the store go by car!
    Quote: Wend
    but I remember the dumplings in the store, in a cardboard box, stuck together in a single lump, do not unstick.

    This is the seller’s problem, violated the storage mode. And now, isn’t this?
    Quote: Wend
    The dentist was treated and vomited alive, without anesthesia.

    Nonsense is complete!
    Quote: Wend
    Education was of high quality, but my daughters, 10 and 7 years old, are now learning many times more.

    What do they teach? What items have been canceled? And which ones did you introduce? Better not compare!
    Quote: Wend
    - Housing was provided, long lines of life, one could not get it.

    Yah! 10-15 years, this is normal. Having got a job at the age of 18-20, at 30-35 everyone had a place to live. Now get your home by the age of 30! Without mortgages, debts, collecting all the relatives (up to the seventh generation).

    "There was a collapse of the army, there was an attempt to destroy the Airborne Forces as a military unit ..."
    Are you talking about Soviet power? You have not beguiled for years?

    1. MrK
      MrK 31 March 2016 23: 50
      +1
      Thanks Homo. I will supplement it.
      The number of murders in Russia on 100 thousand people:

      1980 year - 2,4
      1987 year - 4,2 (USSR)
      1992 year - 23 (RF)
      1995 year - 31
      2000 year - 28
      2002 year - 31
      2007 year - 22
      2009 year - 18,2
      2010 year - 14,8
      2011 year - 11,8
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  • jPilot
    jPilot 31 March 2016 05: 23
    +8
    OH belay but in Europe and the USA there is NO crime !!! And now the crime is generally "absent" stop , I don't even remember about his RAG in the 90s, for which they are called "dashing". Not to mention how many useful structures have been destroyed to keep this criminals in one place. For one collapse of the OBKHSS all the thieves to Yeltsin were applauding standing, probably.
    They remembered about color TV, but nothing that this is a young industry was just beginning to develop. After all, even now everything is new only that the developed one also costs much more than it will cost in a couple of years. BUT the most important thing was their TVs and they would develop along with other electronics, but now it is developing somewhere ... but not with us. The same thing with cars. And what about the average REAL (and not the one that is voiced) salary in the COUNTRY (and not in MOSCOW) of 15-20 tr. Is it possible to quickly save up for a new car? belay You have long looked at how much the new DOMESTIC (which are basically not domestic) cars cost.
    - At the expense of medicine do not la la. And now, if you don’t have money, then you shouldn’t even go in. And there is enough ridicule. Just about the tooth, well, with anesthesia, and they did what I didn’t ask for, removed the plaque, bleached request .... and at the exit for one cured tooth they handed a receipt for payment of 8 tr belay
    - Education, they also asked, just over time you forget how it was with you. And at Ehe negative I will not even stop because how many "positive" ones have already been written. And we don't even touch that, the cost of training. I have 2 sons, it takes about 10-12 tr per month to study. with a tutor for the exam, despite the fact that the elder studies VERY well and he himself asked for a tutor !!!
    - Oh, you were lucky with the housing, my mother was lucky to give her an apartment, and many more who were lucky they were all given !!!!! apartments. And now only through the purchase, and even on draconian terms. But uh about housing and communal services prices and maintenance you can not write.
    You can write and argue a lot, there was a lot that needed to be changed.
    BUT NOT THE SAME fool
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 31 March 2016 20: 13
      0
      You can write and argue a lot, there was a lot that needed to be changed.
      BUT NOT THE SAME
      fool

      I join - fool
  • saksan
    saksan 31 March 2016 05: 45
    +7
    Quote: Wend
    when the average salary is from 80-120 rubles. And "Zhiguli" cost 3500. Somehow not quite available.

    The salary was 80-120 rubles, a newly made engineer or a graduate of a technical school. The salary of a skilled worker in the factory was several times higher. The people had money and there was a shortage of vehicles and household goods. The production of consumer goods did not keep up with demand. In the USSR 50-80 years of famine was not observed and people did not rummage through garbage dumps. There was more order in the USSR and the police were popular and guarded the people from thieves, and now the police, which is protecting thieves, such as Taburetkin, from the people, hence the nostalgia for the USSR .
  • Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe 31 March 2016 13: 46
    -5
    there was an attempt to destroy the airborne

    and SO, does it really need this airborne?
    (in fact, light airborne infantry, which, with the developed and unremedied air defense system (and IA) of the enemy NICHER, will not be able to do anything EVEN TO FLY to the landing site! ....)
    WHEN and WHERE, for the last time, during the conduct of hostilities, did they land troops as part of a brigade regiment?
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 31 March 2016 17: 45
    +2
    Quote: Wend
    - There was enough crime, they just didn’t show crime reports on TV.

    In those days, the prosecutor came from the region to a criminal murder in the province, and now, as at the front: a nurse, opera and a corpse truck.
    Quote: Wend
    but I remember dumplings in the store, in a cardboard box

    And I remember that 20 cents a kilo fed his husky with the shoulders of cod at the cost of a loaf of bread. By the way ... due to the lack of trifles, at the checkout they offered to take one hundred gram pieces of halibut or a box of matches directly from the checkout. when the Kamaz plant began to be built, a shortage began.
    Quote: Wend
    "Crocodile" and his jokes about our medical care.

    What has changed now? Maybe in the regional hospitals something moved, but it was not for nothing that there was official recognition that they were treating in the outback with the methods of the 50's.
  • 933454818
    933454818 31 March 2016 18: 50
    +1
    Color TV "Electron 620 (it seems)" is still tube, weighing more than 50 kg my father and I bought in 1976 for 650 rubles. Moskvich 2140 SL (with plastic bumpers) I beat in 1985 for 8243 rubles.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit April 1 2016 00: 12
    +3
    Something seems to me that you are Wend, you haven’t even finished school at the Union, and judge that life by the stories of such Maximovs. And about the children. They gave us knowledge in Soviet schools, and your daughters are taught many times more, because they are not given knowledge, but brains are clogged.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null April 1 2016 00: 47
    +2
    Quote: neo.
    What are the commensurate minuses, just do not talk about ideology, blah, blah, blah.

    I will not talk about ideology and blah blah blah ..

    I myself was born and raised in the USSR. And there is only one drawback, one of my classmates once very correctly said about him:

    - Cool soup .. it has only one drawback: he was..

    And do not return already .. somehow ..
  • xoma58
    xoma58 April 1 2016 15: 53
    +1
    Yes, you are a dear person, it seems like you've seen enough of Kiselev and others like him. Obviously not living at the time. So there is nothing to say nonsense. The first Zhiguli cost 5500 rubles, and the color TV set 650-700. You don't know don't whistle. To begin with, at least an educational program on the Internet would have passed, which was how much it cost, even the mind was not enough for it. And you don’t have any children and you won’t have any children, bought trolls don’t have children.
  • Alone
    Alone April 1 2016 19: 49
    0
    In which industry did you find an average salary of 80-120 rubles ????
  • Raf01
    Raf01 April 1 2016 22: 51
    -2
    Zhiguli (2101) cost 5600 - this is "GOSTSENA - 1st BELT", and a postcard is also needed. Let someone try to explain these phrases to today's nostalgic pioneers.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara April 2 2016 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Wend
    - There was enough crime, they just didn’t show crime reports on TV.

    There is a simple criterion. Release YOU now children alone in the city or not. They let us in and were not afraid of anything, nothing happened.
    Quote: Wend
    salary from 80-120 rubles. And "Zhiguli" cost 3500. Somehow not quite available.

    Maybe, but after them there was a turn for 3500. Maybe because with free housing and the absence of four loans, people could easily save up? Now, by the way, Lada are under 500 with a very average salary of 000 thousand. And they all take it on credit.
    Quote: Wend
    mantling was high-quality, but my daughters of 10 and 7 years old, now they teach many times more.

    But the quality is lower. That's strange? those. investment efficiency has fallen significantly.
    Quote: Wend
    There was a collapse of the army

    and we’re talking about the USSR, and not about the restructuring of Gorbi?
  • Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 30 March 2016 14: 30
    +36
    There were huge pluses:
    - There was MUCH less crime.
    - Prices are MUCH more affordable for the average man (flying an average average man on a plane by a small one, the average distance could be 2 times there and back by one average salary !!!)
    - The quality of the products - ORDER ABOVE!
    - The level of medical care, education, security was MUCH ABOVE!
    IS FREE!
    - EVERYTHING IS PROVIDED BY WORK! (Even forced!)
    - EVERYTHING was provided with housing (Just don’t need about communal apartments, Khrushchevs! Everything with time could have reached the same way as now)
    What are the commensurate minuses, just do not talk about ideology, blah, blah, blah.
    It was also normal, friendly, responsible!


    I’d like to add, it’s been a very painful topic again -

    American students who came to visit us told us "you don't shoot in the streets, you don't even understand how scary it is." And we really didn't understand! As a child, he often stayed with his grandmother and grandfather on a state farm, 10 km from the city, now practically the outskirts. There were no locks on the doors, only if they were leaving for a long time they hung up, and they would throw a loop so that it was clear that there was no one at home and that was all!

    But the most important thing from the Soviet is the situation of children and pensioners. Low pensions, but no one was afraid that you would be thrown out into the street for non-payment, and everyone paid! And now? This year, more than a quarter of the population owes gas payments! And the popularity of magnets among the adult population of the country is ten times higher than the interest of Soviet children in this entertainment!
    As for the upbringing and intellectual development of the same children ... how many people attended free circles? I can say for myself - for two years in a row, for three months in the summer I rested and worked in Anapa, in a pioneer camp, thanks to the House of Pioneers, where I played in a pop orchestra, where I studied for several years for free (!) It's a pity that it's only two years ... School age ended winked
    The fact that there are enough pros and cons at all times is understandable! BUT! There are such things, intangible, which are still more important - confidence in the future, your own and your children, safety and just the joy of life. Now there is more fear for my life, uncertainty that another crisis will not strike tomorrow, well, about the fear of getting sick ..! request
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 March 2016 15: 10
    +13
    I will support the comment. I live in one place. For all childhood in the factory village - only one case of murder. Over the 90s, only in our entrance of the house is -3, not to mention one! house, especially the neighborhood. It was calm, many even did not consider closing the doors necessary.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 30 March 2016 16: 36
      +9
      It was calm, many even did not consider closing the doors necessary.
      I will support, entrance doors from fiberboard and it was difficult to name that door.
  • Uncle VasyaSayapin
    Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 March 2016 15: 13
    +11
    But for those who had no honor or conscience before, it was more difficult to dive as much as they are now, and it was on the contrary much easier to rake for it.
    And I also suspect that we could get into post-industrialism directly from anti-capitalism with lower costs (human, financial, etc.) than through capitalism. (there should have been room for an obscene word).
  • moskowit
    moskowit 30 March 2016 19: 16
    +7
    In our now 100 000 city, at the end of the 60-ies, 35 000 people lived, and sports sections were in almost all sports ... And it was embarrassing for a teenager and a youth not to engage in one of them. Even the water ski was on our small river Protve ...
  • rvRomanoff
    rvRomanoff 30 March 2016 14: 50
    +6
    What can I say? These singers of the counter-revolution did not live badly then, and now they are not worse. Correctly, Zinoviev called them: "as if shot," obviously hinting at the well-known saying about the fish.
  • ava09
    ava09 30 March 2016 14: 57
    +8
    Quote: poquello
    and this is another question and hypocritically inventing a fairy tale about the sweet life in the USSR is not worth it, its pluses, its minuses

    What kind of USSR are you talking about, sick? About Stalin - popular, about Trotskyite-Khrushchevsky - nomenclature (boyar), about stagnant Brezhnevsky - thieves (the victorious bureaucratic market), or about the perestroika collapse of Gorbachert - tagged? The USSR is DIFFERENT and while the poorly educated will judge it, those who know will have to frown ...-)
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2016 16: 49
    +17
    Quote: poquello
    and what does the maxim have to do with it, if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, it was necessary to look for it


    On the one hand - yes, but on the other hand, depending on what is meant by normal food.
    In the USSR, if you bought dumplings, then they consisted of meat and flour. Today, when buying dumplings, at best you buy something where up to 50% of meat is replaced by soy, but as a rule, it is still worse.
    Sausages with expired shelf life remain in stores (there is far from meat, by the way). When the deadlines expire, this shriveled and greened something is taken back to the workshop. There they wash it, twist it in a large meat grinder, add flavorings and ... so, in fact, cheap sausages and dumplings appear.
    But expensive ones are not at all a guarantee of quality. So, for example, if instead of meat in your dumplings there is a skin of cattle, ground into a state of minced meat, then you can assume that you are very lucky - a natural product, after all.
    Butter. In the USSR, it was made ONLY of milk. Now you almost will not find this, almost everything - with vegetable fats. In essence, you are buying vegetable fat in a beautiful package. But it looks like butter, I agree.
    Sour cream. In the USSR there was REAL sour cream - liquid. Remember how everyone was cursing then, they say that in a village there is a spoon in sour cream, but some liquid is being sold to us ... But now in stores sour cream is thick. Everyone is happy.
    But in fact, with factory dressing, sour cream can not be thick, it will be fluid. In the USSR, it was like that, but today they again achieve the effect of density with vegetable fats and something else ...
    I won’t tell you about bread - so as not to be completely upset. About meat ... it would seem, well, what can be done with a piece of meat? Not semi-finished after all. In the early Russian Federation, meat was simply soaked in water (it absorbed water and gained excess weight, but then the technology was improved - some chemistry from the phosphate family was rubbed into the meat, after which the meat holds water much better than just soaked in a tub of water. Profit!
    In general, there was indeed a food shortage in the USSR (it stood for days behind green peas, which were brought into the store twice a year), but those products that were constantly available were bread, meat, dairy and sour milk, juices, etc. - Now you will not find such. ANYWHERE.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 30 March 2016 17: 20
      -1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Sausages with expired shelf life remain in stores (there is far from meat, by the way). When the deadlines expire, this shriveled and greened something is taken back to the workshop. There they wash it, twist it in a large meat grinder, add flavorings and ... so, in fact, cheap sausages and dumplings appear

      IMHO with this you ... bent .. imagine the mechanics of the process:

      - from the sausage factory the wholesaler (or some chain of stores, which is the same thing, in general) bought the sausage. Boiled. Unexpired ..
      - the sausage got into the store (if through a wholesaler and into a small one - here's another purchase and sale)
      - the sausage successfully lay in the store until the expiration date (or until the presentation was lost, so there’s no sense in re-sticking the label, heyy .. Auchan and other networks are indulging in this a lot)

      Question:

      - how does this .. former sausage, which belongs to the store, end up at the plant? In the same workshop where it is "twisted"?
      - Does the plant have special people who collect such sausages for shopping? Hardly..
      - what, the plant has a "collection point for recyclable materials", where the store, for little money, can be overdue? I've never heard of such a ..
      - how else? I do not understand request

      By the way, about the birds:

      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Sour cream. In the USSR there was REAL sour cream - liquid. Remember how everyone was cursing then, they say that in a village there is a spoon in sour cream, but some liquid is being sold to us ... But now in stores sour cream is thick. Everyone is happy.
      But in fact, with factory dressing, sour cream can not be thick, it will be fluid. In the USSR, it was like that, but today they again achieve the effect of density with vegetable fats and something else ...

      - the workers of the canteen achieved density by adding a little flour to the sour cream. It works "once", the main thing is not to overdo it, which is impossible laughing

      And the fact that the products were "more reliable" then - I do not argue .. now there are probably no such products anymore.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2016 18: 44
        +5
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        IMHO with this you bent ..

        I saw it. By time - the beginning of 2000's
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        from a sausage factory a wholesaler (or some chain of stores, which is the same thing, in general) bought sausage. Boiled. Unexpired ..

        In those glorious times (and even later, by the way), stores did not buy products, but took them for sale. What is for sale is for sale, and the rest, the supplier, please take it back, and do what you like with it - the store will not deal with this even as garbage collection. Wholesalers took an example from them, introducing expired products into purchase and sale agreements. It was possible, of course, to sell it irrevocably, many went for it, but then the price was lower than the low one - the wholesaler immediately included losses from unsold products in the price.
        Yes and later ... in 2006-2007, for example, you had to pay for laying out your goods in large stores. Those. not only do you put the goods on sale, and all the risk of delay lies with you as the manufacturer, you also have to pay the store, for putting your goods on the shelf
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 30 March 2016 20: 15
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I saw it. By time - the beginning of 2000's

          Well, then there were a lot of miracles ..

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          What is sold is sold, and the rest, the supplier, please take it back, and do what you like with it

          That is - at least throw it away, at least roll dumplings .. I understand ..

          Let's talk about dumplings:

          - dumplings "trifle" does not produce, as a rule
          - a large office - would rather make a discount to the wholesaler than collect their products (overdue) from stores
          - And the question I had was about dumplings, all the other chips I ... I know, they told me wink

          And about dumplings from "recyclable materials, collected from shops" - well, somehow I can't believe it.

          Note that I don’t intend to argue with the fact that the store dumplings are shop-like, and I never buy them myself .. for it is fraught yes
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 March 2016 15: 57
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Let's talk about dumplings:

            Let's:)
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - dumplings "trifle" does not produce, as a rule

            Now - it’s possible, although I don’t know, there are a lot of dumplings, but for a long time I have nothing to do with the food industry
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            a large office - rather, it will make a discount to the wholesaler than collect their products (overdue) from stores

            If she does this, then very soon she will cease to be a large office. And then to the small office :))) You see, the supplier is in any case cheaper to pick up his expired goods (at least by the transport that he delivers the fresh) than to sign up for the discount, because the size of the discount will be more than the losses from the delay - the store / wholesaler will be reloaded. (i.e. they will require discounts with a good supply), this is obvious.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            and the question I had was for dumplings

            You know, maybe you are right. Because I saw a picture of rolling up recyclable dumplings in a small workshop. I dug in my memory - that recyclable materials in large companies go to cheap sausage sausages for sure, but on dumplings ... I don't remember that. Those. perhaps what I saw with my own eyes is not the norm and is not used in large companies.
    2. andj61
      andj61 30 March 2016 20: 24
      +4
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Sour cream. In the USSR there was REAL sour cream - liquid. Remember how everyone was cursing then, they say that in a village there is a spoon in sour cream, but some liquid is being sold to us ... But now in stores sour cream is thick. Everyone is happy.
      But in fact, with factory dressing, sour cream can not be thick, it will be fluid. In the USSR, it was like that, but today they again achieve the effect of density with vegetable fats and something else ...

      I would agree with you if I had not lived at a conscious age — up to 30 years — in the USSR. In Moscow, central Russia, in the Crimea, in the north of Ukraine, in the Urals, in Novosibirsk, in Leningrad - I agree with you, sour cream was liquid. But in Belarus, Krasnodar Territory - very dense. Only in Belarus and the Krasnodar Territory, 20% and even 25% fat content was completely sour. But in Bryansk, for example, even 10% met, although, basically, it was 15%. And the taste of that thick Belarusian or Krasnodar sour cream differed for the better from the sour usual.
      Been at this time in the Chelyabinsk region. There, even milk could be bought either at the time of arrival - at 10 a.m., or when the shift at the factory was over. And sour cream in the 80s was generally a deficit. And my fellow students from Moscow drove home butter to the Urals. As well as Borodino bread - for some reason it was not on sale there at all.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 March 2016 16: 07
        +2
        Quote: andj61
        In Moscow, central Russia, in the Crimea, in the north of Ukraine, in the Urals, in Novosibirsk, in Leningrad - I agree with you, sour cream was liquid. But in Belarus, Krasnodar Territory - very dense.

        I am the 1975 year of birth, so, of course, under the USSR I lived less than you. And in addition to his native Chelyabinsk, he only managed to visit Moscow, Leningrad, and Crimea, of course, but in Crimea we did without sour cream, so I can’t say anything about it.
        Quote: andj61
        But in Belarus

        I haven’t, I don’t know.
        Quote: andj61
        Been at this time in the Chelyabinsk region. There, even milk could be bought either at the time of delivery — hours at 10 in the morning, or when the shift at the factory was over. And sour cream in 80 was generally a deficit

        I don’t agree here, because for all my school years I spent hours at 11-12 (if I was studying in the second shift) or hours at 15-16-17 (if in the second shift) to the store. In our family, sour cream was generally loved (often we ate it with sugar for breakfast) milk — too (we made porridge often) so I went with a can regularly — there were no problems with milk, and there was no sour cream either
        Quote: andj61
        And my fellow students from Moscow drove home butter to the Urals.

        I don’t remember oil, I won’t lie, even offhand - we always had it at home, although father and mother flew on business a couple of times a year on business trips. Smoked sausage was usually brought from Moscow.
        Quote: andj61
        As well as Borodino bread - for some reason it was not on sale there at all.

        That's for sure. What was not, what was not
        1. andj61
          andj61 31 March 2016 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I don’t agree here, because for all my school years I spent hours at 11-12 (if I was studying in the second shift) or hours at 15-16-17 (if in the second shift) to the store. In our family, sour cream was generally loved (often we ate it with sugar for breakfast) milk — too (we made porridge often) so I went with a can regularly — there were no problems with milk, and there was no sour cream either

          It was Ust-Katav, Katav-Ivanovsk, in my opinion, Yuryuzan and Vyazovaya - they are there next to it ... Naturally, I did not buy - I just went into the store on a working day. And then there is the turn for milk, which will be given only after the end of the first shift ... After Moscow and even Bryansk, the food supply in 1985 caused a shock: in reality, there was nothing in the store except cereals, pasta and canned goods. This was repeated later throughout the country - but it was already 1990, when the main products in many cities were distributed by coupons and enterprises. But from those coupons, my father and I only solemnly drank the last bottle of vodka two years ago! drinks Huge stocks were made - at first, four bottles of vodka per adult coupon were given per month, then reduced to two, but still, with five adults in the family - this is a lot!
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 30 March 2016 18: 35
    +11
    Another idle talker and whistleblower. Young man, you generally live in this world thanks to the USSR, already for this you have to bow at his feet. Other positive features of the USSR - which were overwhelmingly more than negative - even make no sense to those who keep volumes of anti-Soviet and Russophobes under their pillows.
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 30 March 2016 19: 00
    +6
    poquello

    Pluses more. Percent 95 pluses. Compared even with modern, technologically advanced countries for 30 years.

    It was a good country of the USSR. A country that is ahead of time.

    Now it will probably take centuries, so that a person can get that organizational system.

    Currently, only sluggish, weak attempts of self-organization. And every time I look with hope, maybe some of the rulers will be able to recreate at least 50% of the Soviet state.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 30 March 2016 20: 12
    -10%
    Quote: poquello
    it’s not worth hypocritical to invent a fairy tale about a sweet life in the USSR,

    But otherwise, these individuals can not. Homo sapiens lives by reason, and these individuals acquired reflexes developed by them by the dear Communist Party! This is not treated ...
    It is especially interesting to listen to those who at that time still crap in their pants and walked under the table! smile
  • bovig
    bovig 31 March 2016 07: 32
    +3
    Quote: sdc_alex
    And now it’s full
    Quote: poquello
    normal eating
    just to sense.

    What is full now is sheer indecency! And if in Russian - g @ & # o !!! And in order to buy high-quality, you do not have to earn money, but steal and steal as much as they do not put!)) Otherwise, the entire Russian average statistical salary goes strictly to guzzle and not at all fat ... Confirmed experimentally!
  • NordUral
    NordUral 31 March 2016 16: 55
    +1
    Normal? Yes, you, my friend, an optimist. Although the essence of the matter is far from bodily food, but in the spiritual sphere.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 March 2016 13: 41
    +11
    there was no normal eating
    Is there really now? read the labels. Problems? Everyone has different problems, and then everything is learned in comparison.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 March 2016 14: 47
      -23%
      Quote: Gardamir
      Is there really now?

      Go to any store, and if blind - ask others! Damn, just a victim of the modern famine! wassat
      1. talot
        talot 30 March 2016 15: 17
        +25
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Gardamir
        Is there really now?

        Go to any store, and if blind - ask others! Damn, just a victim of the modern famine! wassat


        they clearly wrote to you "read the labels." and if you are blind, ask others to read you the composition of the product that you decided to buy. Damn, just a victim of modern consumerism! wassat hi
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2016 17: 24
          +13
          In St. Petersburg. Hypermarket Huge collapse with a bunch of crab sticks of various companies. Above it is a poster:
          "Dear customers! The store administration assures you that not a single crab was harmed during the manufacture of these sticks!"
          I cried laughing
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 March 2016 22: 04
            -4
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I cried

            Severe Chelyabinsk guys do not cry! And in the production of crab sticks, crab meat is not used! This is no secret to anyone (it seems except for the harsh Chelyabinsk guys)
            ! Crab sticks (also called "imitation of crab meat") - a type of product that is created artificially from processed fish protein surimi or chopped white fish meat.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 March 2016 16: 13
              +3
              Quote: Bayonet
              Severe Chelyabinsk guys do not cry!

              Cry. So harsh ...
              Quote: Bayonet
              And in the production of crab sticks, crab meat is not used! This is no secret to anyone (it seems except for the harsh Chelyabinsk guys)

              Yes, no secret, of course. It’s just a very unexpected poster, and that’s funny
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 March 2016 17: 51
          -10%
          Quote: talot
          Damn, just a victim of modern consumption!

          I sympathize with you! Honestly! It’s not my fault that the person was born .... hi
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 March 2016 20: 22
            +3
            A real sausage now it’s from 1000 rubles a kilogram - everything below soy.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 March 2016 21: 56
          -6
          Quote: talot
          they clearly wrote to you "read the labels."

          And they wrote to you in the USSR what is made of? At best, wrapped in creepy gray paper and go! wink
          1. jPilot
            jPilot 31 March 2016 10: 08
            +6
            My friend, so apparently above about children's surprise in the sliders you wrote to yourself. In the USSR, on products it was always written what was made, and even with the designation GOST, which indicated quality because it was controlled by the Quality Control Department, which does not exist now. And this quality control worked very well and in good faith. Therefore, even now responsible manufacturers are striving to get closer to GOST.
            And about the USSR, it is those who found PERZHAVA not in dirty "sliders" like you, but in their conscious life who write well about the USSR.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 31 March 2016 20: 09
              -2
              Quote: jPilot
              and not in dirty "sliders" like you,

              At 38 years old sliders? Do not tell, wise guy! fool
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 22
        +21
        Go to any store, and if blind - ask others! Damn, just a victim of the modern famine! wassat


        Come in, look at the price tags, in your wallet and go out. And if you also look at the composition of what is on the shelves, you won’t come out, but you will jump out.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 21: 53
        -10%
        Quote: Bayonet
        Go to any store, and if blind - ask others

        19 starving blind together put cons smile I wonder if you have a braille keyboard? And where does the computer come from, a hostile technology? For what shisha, poverty? wassat
    2. cesar65
      cesar65 30 March 2016 16: 26
      +14
      Quote: Gardamir
      there was no normal eating
      Is there now? read the labels.

      I’m joining. E-2-E-4-not only a chess move, but also a sausage recipe (and not only the necessary substitute)
    3. aviator65
      aviator65 30 March 2016 20: 01
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      there was no normal eating

      Well, that's just "ate" today in bulk laughing With normal food - problems ...
  • B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 30 March 2016 13: 57
    +16
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal guzzling, he had to be looked for


    And what about your understanding, "normal ate" ?! Would you like to share?
  • alicante11
    alicante11 30 March 2016 13: 58
    +29
    and what does the maxim have to do with it, if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, it was necessary to look for it


    It was all NORMAL. Even the most crappy Soviet doctor's sausage is not comparable better than modern ham for 500 rubles / kg. Because it had MEAT. And now in the whole showcase with a dozen varieties of meat there are less, probably, than then in one loaf. It is clear the day that there was no strawberry, pineapple, feijua. Well, excuse me, the strawberry that is being sold for big money now, does it make sense? There does not even smell strawberries and the grass tastes. Pineapple - yeah figs with it, were slices in jars. Well, all sorts of perversions - so I never personally took them. There it is scary to look at the fruit itself and at the price. Tangerines and pears with grapes are now all year round? So you can’t approach the good ones, and you don’t want to buy any kinds of wooden pears. The same goes for vegetables.
    1. cap
      cap 30 March 2016 14: 25
      +25
      Quote: alicante11
      alicante11 (6) RU Today, 13:58 ↑ New

      and what does the maxim have to do with it, if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, it was necessary to look for it

      It was all NORMAL. Even the most crappy Soviet doctor's sausage is not comparable better than modern ham for 500 rubles / kg. Because it had meat


      I don't know what Maksimov was looking for, countless "devour".
      I will give the prices of the scarce year 1982. Moscow restaurant "Yaroslavl"
      I won’t write everything, I just store it as a menu memory.
      Prices in rubles and kopecks.
      -assorted fish 3.04
      meat assortment 1.04
      granular caviar with butter 2.86
      keta caviar with butter 2.96
      Vitamin Salad 0.16
      roast beef with garnish 0.69
      boiled sturgeon-2.45
      stellate starch g \ to 2.50
      pink salmon with butter 0.51
      capital salad 1.93
      hodgepodge meat team 0.82
      Hot pass.
      -stack 1.15
      -antricot 1.09
      chickens of tobacco 3.54
      - vodka "Russian" o.5l. 9.90
      Cognac 3 stars. 13.90
      -Soviet champagne 7.52
      Expensive of course. But without a queue. With a salary of 225, it’s not cheap at hand. But so I wouldn’t say anything bad. By the way, a ticket to Khabarovsk cost 104 rubles.
      Something like that hi
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 30 March 2016 14: 58
        +18
        I will add a ticket for the plane Arkhangelsk-Voronezh or Arkhangelsk-Minsk equally 32 rubles.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 30 March 2016 15: 38
          +28
          In the 89th, as students, we went with friends to rest in Sukhumi, two scholarships of 63 rubles and 70 rubles for a collective farm.
          We drove in a compartment 25 rubles, rented housing in the area "Sinop" 2 rubles per person. We ate in a canteen nearby on a day for 3 rubles, travel by boat to the center for a student's 5 kopecks!. In total for ten days travel + accommodation + meals 100 rubles!
          The rest is almost a hundred square meters for entertainment and entertainment 9 rubles per day (chervonets, like a pick-up and return taxi and a taxi from the station to the house)
          They didn’t deny themselves anything, fruits, restaurants, “Bouquet of Abkhazia”, “Psou”, excursions, Lake Ritsa, Pitsunda, monkey nursery, botanical garden, New Athos, Gudauta, Batumi and of course beer for 26 kopecks. mug, chacha from the local Vano they took 50 cop. glass,set lunch at a restaurant on Lake Ritsa: trout + salad + hot + bottle "Psou" = 3 rubles 15 kop.! good
          This was life for everyone!
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 30 March 2016 20: 23
            +17
            OH PHANTOM-AC (2) do not sprinkle salt on the wounds. Sukhumi is childhood, youth, when parents (Russians) from the north sent to their friends in the summer in the Georgian family to rest. On the one hand, the house where the Abkhazians lived, on the other, the Greeks. And we children ran across the sea at sea, we didn’t give a damn who was of what nationality, we didn’t even have this question.
            The last time I was there with my children a year before the start of the war. And now, where is that family, we could not find. There you go.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 31 March 2016 00: 12
              +4
              Quote: ruskih
              And now, where is that family, we could not find. There you go.

              And I found in 2006, Nina Vladimirovna Gachechiladze, her children now live in Moscow, her son Peter was a shooting sports coach ...
              It will be joyful if they respond.
              1. ruskih
                ruskih 31 March 2016 09: 00
                +3
                [quote = PHANTOM-AS] [quote = ruskih]
                It will be joyful if they respond. [/ Quote]
                Of course, joyfully. Family Gelanti, forgive me moderators VO.
                Reading your comments is always interesting.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 02
        +12
        By the way, a ticket to Khabarovsk cost 104 rubles.


        In my opinion, from Moscow, as far as I remember, just before the trip to Bulgaria, they paid exactly as much for my mother and me. Because I had 50% of my childhood, and she as a member of the family of an aviator.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 17: 48
        -17%
        Quote: cap
        I don't know what Maksimov was looking for, countless "devour".
        I will give the prices of the scarce year 1982. Moscow restaurant "Yaroslavl"

        And I will give you the size of the salary of an electrician at the time - 90 rubles. Take a walk - I don't want to! (in the restaurant)! laughing hi
        1. aviator65
          aviator65 30 March 2016 20: 06
          +4
          And the salary of the bus driver (in the presence of class 1) was up to 400 rubles.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 30 March 2016 21: 36
            +9
            And the salary of the bus driver (in the presence of class 1) was up to 400 rubles.

            a turner of the 6th category in 1978 - 200 pe salary + bonuses + ticket + surcharge for his quality control department, and also - for the student, for the student! For three months I worked with him in practice from the school! Moreover, he sharpened serial products, there was little marriage, everyone was charged as if for training! And now to call the turners those who are ridiculously taught - they were not trusted in practice at the factory for the machine, the shop was shallow ...

            And about the salary - in our mining town, miners received up to 800, cars were changed every two or three years - for them there were no problems with priority at the state price! But in the secondary market people were quite happy - almost a new car, though at a double price from the new laughing The country put the working class in first place, engineers were not particularly favored, but there were a lot of hard workers with higher education, hence the higher level of development compared to the current ones ...
        2. Patriot2012
          Patriot2012 30 March 2016 22: 55
          0
          and now you probably eat in restaurants?
        3. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 30 March 2016 23: 23
          +12
          And I will give you the size of the salary of an electrician at the time - 90 rubles. Take a walk - I don't want to! (in the restaurant)!

          etho just talks about skill level and place of work request for a man of 90 re salary in the 82nd - shame! It would be a desire to find a decent job or relearn! A turner student (without studying at a vocational school) at the factory received 40 rubles - this is the 78th year, the same scholarship at the university, for two months in the construction team - up to a thousand. Work in the evening on the dance floor - 90 re, total my student came out as much as then the salary of an engineer - 145, after graduation! So at all times (Soviet) it was possible, if you wanted, to learn ANYWHERE and almost for free and earn money. For youth, there were an order of magnitude more opportunities in the USSR; they were fought for at factories and design bureaus! hi
          1. MrK
            MrK April 1 2016 00: 12
            +1
            Thanks Yuyuk. The most important thing is that in the USSR there was confidence in the future.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka April 1 2016 10: 24
              0
              Thanks Yuyuk. The most important thing is that in the USSR there was confidence in the future.

              Thank you that such articles periodically provide an opportunity to argue that the USSR was not as bad as they are trying to impose on us now. And the fact that this is about painful, says the rating of the article - how many comments! I would say this is not nostalgia for that country, for youth, it is a pain about the loss of those opportunities that we ... will be banned, I won’t understand everything anyway ... Our mistakes were taken into account in China, in Cuba ... at least to whom we helped to understand that you cannot ruin everything hi
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        5. jPilot
          jPilot 31 March 2016 10: 20
          +8
          In 88, he graduated from a vocational school before entering a military school, worked in a specialty at a metallurgical enterprise, without experience in working with 3rd grade after graduating from a vocational school, for the first time received 136 rubles.
          Older comrades with high ranks received up to 600 rubles, depending on the implementation of the plan.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 30 March 2016 14: 04
    +19
    I don’t know where and how you searched .... but according to my recollections, there was always meat (store + market) and so on. Yes, there wasn’t such a colorful phenomenon as it is now (but there were tangerines and oranges for the holiday), but the most necessary was always enough
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 30 March 2016 14: 31
      +5
      Quote: Alexey-74
      I don’t know where and how you searched .... but according to my recollections, there was always meat (store + market)

      That's right. The price of the highest category of meat in stores 3 re 20 kopecks. On the market 3.50 fresh felling. Of course, after 8 in the morning they traded seeds for the broth on the market. In other matters, before 9 in the morning you could buy a fresh walk
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 14: 51
        -15%
        Quote: Tusv
        That's right. The price of the highest category of meat in stores 3 re 20 kopecks.

        Maybe in Moscow it was - the highest category, but in our "fly-flies" am (as Muscovites like to say), it either was (when they were "thrown out" or "given") or there was not a damn thing (but this is more often)!
        1. Vitwin
          Vitwin 30 March 2016 15: 02
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          the highest category and in our "flies"

          Among gulls and dung flies
          Great Siberian Crane flew south


          Then and now.....
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 31 March 2016 11: 55
          +4
          Quote: Bayonet
          Maybe in Moscow it was - the highest category, but in our "fly-flies" am (as Muscovites like to say), it either was (when "thrown out" or "given") or there was no shit (and this is more often)!

          Let your tongue dry call Vologda with this word
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 1 2016 06: 57
            +3
            Quote: Tusv
            Let your tongue dry call Vologda with this word

            It’s for me such good wishes, let it dry up for those who came up with this word and dignify everyone living behind the ring! By the way, my mother is from Vologda.hi
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 30 March 2016 14: 48
      +27
      Quote: Alexey-74
      but the most necessary was always enough

      Probably, it is still necessary to determine the periods of life in the USSR, as they say "under a different government - different supplies." In any case, I remember from my childhood ... I asked my grandmother to buy a can of cod liver oil (I really liked the label), and my grandmother said: "What are you doing! It's only POOR students who eat potatoes." I became so uncomfortable that I am a student volume repeat
      Well, when the sister got sick, the doctor advised giving black caviar ... shoved with spoons, and she spat, belay now recalls how stupid she was. lol
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 17: 53
        -4
        Quote: Egoza
        give black caviar ... shoved by spoons,

        request request request
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 March 2016 20: 29
          0
          It is necessary to look for the Soviet underground and the rest of the guys a movie dock - there the topic of sausage is definitely open.
        2. jPilot
          jPilot 31 March 2016 10: 30
          +2
          And what is the belay
          Mom and I were two, my younger sister and mother, a regular insurance agent, received about 130 and not in Moscow but in the Urals, although it was an industrial but not very large city (in Soviet times, 700 tons, now 450 tons for the people request ), I won’t say that with spoons and often I got black caviar.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 3 2016 16: 53
          0
          Quote: Bayonet

          Seven minuses, is it from those who also stuffed eggs with spoons? smile "One with a bipod - seven with a spoon" - is this not about you?
  • Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 30 March 2016 14: 57
    +24
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal eating

    Was normal food. And then shit.mo, which are now clogged with shops otherwise eating and you will not name.
  • Passer
    Passer 30 March 2016 16: 45
    +11
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal eating

    Eat further, mister good, eat in three stomachs, stock up fat, translate all thoughts into availability and cost of food.
  • Platonich
    Platonich 30 March 2016 18: 52
    0
    And you can see!
  • bovig
    bovig 31 March 2016 07: 18
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Major Yurik
    Yes, it was difficult to feed such a carcass as that of a maxim, configurationally similar to a duffel bag. So hungry dreams from the past torment the heart. One must eat to live, not live to eat! negative

    and what does the maxim have to do with it, if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, it was necessary to look for it

    Why are you lying? There was no need to search - go to the market and take whatever your heart desires! Yes, everything was more expensive there ... And if you wanted freebies and plenty, and even with a margin, then, excuse me, YOU ARE OBLIGED TO SATISFY YOUR UNDERSTANDING! It is not the one who has a lot who is rich, but the one who is capable of managing the small!
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 31 March 2016 12: 39
    +1
    You are driving the blizzard. There were full bazaar counters and shop windows and the refrigerators in the houses did not stand empty. Cards appeared in late Judah, but it was not the Union, and it was done on purpose, they were torn to power, which basically achieved their goal.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 31 March 2016 16: 54
    +1
    How old are you, my friend?
  • MrK
    MrK April 1 2016 00: 36
    0
    Still specifically for poquello.
    In the majority of MODERN SAUSAGES, meat filling does not exceed 40%, and the rest is SKIN EMULSION, FAT EMULSION, MEAN semolina, POTATO AND CORN STARCH, BARLEY FLOUR, RICE, OLD OAR, ORANOUS PEARL. If, according to such recipes, sausage would be cooked in the USSR, then for each person there would be 120 kg of product per year (80 kg was released in 40), and there would be no talk of a deficit.
  • Pereira
    Pereira April 1 2016 09: 11
    0
    There was everything on the market. It’s just that people were not mentally prepared to pay more than the state price, although very much it could afford. This is absolutely true. This is for imported junk speculators monstrously bullied prices. For food, the margin was, at present, very modest.
    Why this was the topic of a separate and big conversation. But it was so.
  • igorka357
    igorka357 April 1 2016 09: 18
    +2
    Swallows guzzle pigs, you treat yourself as such, so you speak of food!
  • penguin
    penguin April 1 2016 09: 40
    -1
    ate, as you say, not even normal, but the most common one had to look for in the 90s. I don’t know about you, but at that time pensioners could not buy bread and baked it from compound feed for livestock. And you would tell them this tale that there was no "normal guzzle" in the union
  • Stasweb
    Stasweb April 1 2016 14: 27
    0
    So you campaign and did not live during the existence of the USSR. Your reasoning is amateurish.
  • fennekRUS
    fennekRUS April 2 2016 11: 03
    0
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal guzzling, he had to be looked for

    Yes, he is not now. And find the problem. Don't grow it yourself. Or do you read dyed soybeans for "normal guzzling"?
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa April 2 2016 11: 48
    0
    I somehow didn’t starve and didn’t scamper over the brawl and imagine I could calmly hang on a crab and krill in jars without really straining what I can’t do now, but about the quality and nothing, the stew was stewed and condensed milk condensed and not like right now with soy set and palm oil despite the fact that it was 120 plus 35.
  • Gray brother
    Gray brother 30 March 2016 13: 08
    +38
    Quote: poquello
    lies

    Truth. Soy and other garbage then was not. Those products that you now eat mostly consist of cheap substitutes.
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 30 March 2016 13: 16
      +21
      Yeah.
      Sausage was a sausage!
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 March 2016 13: 30
        -28%
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Yeah.
        Sausage was a sausage!

        so do not buy cheap, from 400 no worse
        1. neo.
          neo. 30 March 2016 13: 47
          +23
          There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!
          And for 400 rubles. for example, a pensioner will not be able to buy today!
          Do not distort, it is perfectly clear what I mean!
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 March 2016 14: 35
            -13%
            Quote: neo.
            There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!

            Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens
            1. pv1005
              pv1005 30 March 2016 15: 03
              +24
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: neo.
              There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!

              Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens

              It was necessary to put in the refrigerator. Oh yes, there were no refrigerators in your USSR.
              1. poquello
                poquello 30 March 2016 15: 13
                -14%
                Quote: pv1005
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: neo.
                There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!

                Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens

                It was necessary to put in the refrigerator. Oh yes, there were no refrigerators in your USSR.

                do not put Duk if you sold it in the store
                1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                  Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 March 2016 15: 41
                  +9
                  It was gray, because it used to be made from meat + cellulose (paper) and starch, and now it is good from meat + dyes, flavorings, starch, preservative and weight gain. And meat without chemicals in the air turns gray. The bad is also cooked, but instead of meat, soy protein. In short, sausage is like television: they used to lie like that, but now they are. And with dumplings the same nonsense. The price is comparable by the way: you divide by 100 and you get the current price. In general, the situation with food in different years in different cities was different. In the eighties, in the general storehouse in the Far East, often the shelves were empty, but in Moscow there was everything you want.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 30 March 2016 16: 31
                    -12%
                    Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
                    It was gray, because it used to be made from meat + cellulose (paper) and starch, and now it is good from meat + dyes, flavorings, starch, preservative and weight gain. And meat without chemicals in the air turns gray. The bad is also cooked, but instead of meat, soy protein. In short, sausage is like television: they used to lie like that, but now they are. And with dumplings the same nonsense. The price is comparable by the way: you divide by 100 and you get the current price. In general, the situation with food in different years in different cities was different. In the eighties, in the general storehouse in the Far East, often the shelves were empty, but in Moscow there was everything you want.

                    everything is correct, and I still think that I would have had today's technology catering and no guest would have helped
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 38
                      +4
                      everything is correct, and I still think that I would have had today's technology catering and no guest would have helped


                      And sho this in technology? Then there was no soybeans? Or chicken?
                  2. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 30 March 2016 17: 23
                    +12
                    Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
                    It was gray, because it used to be made from meat + pulp (paper)

                    In fact, the natural color of cooked sausage is gray. Have you ever cooked meat?
                    What color does it become?
                    And the sausage stuffing is initially gray, it turns pink only after adding dyes, so that there was no paper there and no dyes, respectively, either.
              2. jPilot
                jPilot 31 March 2016 10: 35
                +3
                Yes, not "tovarisch" simply does not know that if the sausage turns green after lying in the warmth for a day, then firstly it needs to be thrown out, and secondly, this suggests that it is made of high-quality products and contains MEAT !! !!
            2. talot
              talot 30 March 2016 15: 22
              +12
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: neo.
              There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!

              Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens

              this is liverwurst sausage, everyone bought it for dogs and cats, and lovers more ...
              1. poquello
                poquello 30 March 2016 15: 58
                -9
                Quote: talot
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: neo.
                There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!

                Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens

                this is liverwurst sausage, everyone bought it for dogs and cats, and lovers more ...

                no boiled, the name may be (I don't remember) "Russian", was sometimes in stores, for another one had to go to Moscow or to a cooperative store, there is smoked "Tallinn" 10p stick.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 30 March 2016 18: 00
                -12%
                Quote: talot
                this is liverwurst sausage, everyone bought it for dogs and cats, and lovers more ...

                Well, yes, when they bought, they certainly added: "this is for a cat ..." - I heard it more than once. And it was precisely those who said so that it was wrapped up wink
              3. gozmosZh
                gozmosZh 31 March 2016 07: 38
                +6
                for cats - pollock at 28 kopecks / kg (it seems), and hake - 34 kopecks.
                1. ruskih
                  ruskih 31 March 2016 09: 06
                  +6
                  Quote: gozmosZh
                  for cats - pollock at 28 kopecks / kg (it seems), and hake - 34 kopecks.

                  Yes, we didn’t count them as fish.
            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 30 March 2016 17: 57
              -11%
              Quote: poquello
              Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens

              I remember too! But some of them had memory lapses, and most likely they were young, but in their youth and sausage it is tastier and the sun is brighter and the flowers smell differently! And now - senile grumbling! smile
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 30 March 2016 19: 16
            +3
            Quote: neo.
            There was NOT a bad sausage AT ALL!

            Brother in the 70s as a student at a meat processing plant moonlighted. For 20 years I haven’t eaten sausages. wink In fairness, I didn’t eat as much caviar. Overeaten. wink
            Quote: poquello
            Well, why lie? I remember her gray with greens

            And they didn’t put the head shop? Should be.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 March 2016 20: 31
            0
            This is still depending on what pensioner - pensions for all are different and substantially.
        2. sergo42
          sergo42 30 March 2016 14: 19
          +9
          There is no meat in sausages from 400 and above. There, instead of vegetable protein, chicken and all sorts of offal appear
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 March 2016 14: 38
            -8
            Quote: sergo42
            There is no meat in sausages from 400 and above. There, instead of vegetable protein, chicken and all sorts of offal appear

            dear transmission, I would believe you if I had not seen that piglet still running
        3. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 30 March 2016 14: 47
          +19
          Yeah.
          Sausage was a sausage!

          so do not buy cheap, from 400 no worse


          Are you so sure of the honesty of the manufacturers? repeat Yesterday, only the plot was about what we eat. So - a test of several dozen types of sausages from different manufacturers showed that 100% contain additives that do not match the specified, including according to GOST hi

          We were fools, we thought Karl Marx was talking nonsense about the capitalists, who, because of superprofits, were ready for any crime! Now, wherever you spit, there’s a fake everywhere, the worst thing when it comes to health is medicines. It’s harmless at best, but then ... how lucky!
        4. saber
          saber 30 March 2016 15: 42
          +10
          having visited a meat factory recently, I’ll answer, it’s better for 800 (and even without a guarantee)
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 March 2016 16: 37
            +3
            Quote: Saber
            ... (and even without warranty)

            not without it, yesterday in a bread tent instead of a rifled two loaves of zhvanina steamed, one pleases - I can stupidly promise not to take from them without harming myself
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 14: 52
        -13%
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Sausage was a sausage!

        If there was! wassat
        1. talot
          talot 30 March 2016 15: 25
          +11
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: Pravdarm
          Sausage was a sausage!

          If there was! wassat

          was! hi and if he was blind, he would ask others, they would suggest which one is better to take (liverie / doctor / Krakow / etc.)
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 March 2016 15: 56
            +2
            Do you still have a choice? We did not consider liverwurst sausage, and the other either was or was not! And in the late 80s, they also began to give it no more than 500g in one hand. But I heard from different people that in the 70s, shelves from everything were breaking in the same city on the border.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 30 March 2016 18: 12
              -9
              Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
              began to give no more than 500g in one hand.

              Can you hear it anywhere? Is this the most humiliating "DAVALI"? Or "thrown out"? Or "got it"? How much we have lost ... laughing
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 30 March 2016 19: 30
                +4
                Quote: Bayonet
                Can you hear it anywhere? Is this the most humiliating "DAVALI"? Or "thrown out"? Or "got it"? How much we have lost ...

                And now they give or throw out something worthwhile somewhere?
                Or can I get something?
                Around mass production of consumer goods.
                Take it - I do not want!
                Everyone and take ...
  • tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 30 March 2016 13: 08
    +2
    No, not a lie. Refer to S. Kara-Murza’s White Paper. She is in the public domain.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 30 March 2016 13: 32
      +19
      Obviously, over 25 years of active construction of capitalism, the Russian Federation is inferior in all respects to all indicators in the RSFSR of the 1990 model (even taking into account the devil's perestroika)
      And no matter how shitty the liberal liberals tried to spit in the direction of the Soviet regime, all the spits fly to their snout again.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 March 2016 20: 53
        -2
        For some indicators of agriculture, we are not only not inferior, but even surpass the 1990 indicators.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 30 March 2016 21: 38
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          For some indicators of agriculture, we are not only not inferior, but even surpass the 1990 indicators.

          Oh really?
          It would be interesting to know by what.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 March 2016 16: 46
            0
            You are welcome -
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 March 2016 17: 07
            0
            Here about agriculture of Russia in more detail http://ruxpert.ru
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  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 30 March 2016 13: 10
    -4
    And what, in fact, is a lie? What was the deficit or per capita consumption higher? What Maximov writes the truth or untruth?
    1. Riv
      Riv 30 March 2016 13: 21
      +17
      And there was a shortage, and there was enough food. For coupons, for a month, two kilograms of sausage could be taken without problems. For a family of five - multiply yourself. Mother never sold all coupons, but we went to the sea every year while father was alive.
      True sausage was not twenty varieties on the counter, there were three.
      1. bvi1965
        bvi1965 30 March 2016 13: 47
        +10
        But WHAT ... good good good
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 14: 54
        -8
        Quote: Riv
        For coupons, for a month, two kilograms of sausage could be taken

        Do you think it's normal to live on coupons ??? request This is how to go down!
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 30 March 2016 17: 17
          +7
          Quote: Bayonet
          Do you think it's normal to live on coupons ??? This is how to go down!

          In the States, the mass of the population lives on coupons, "and nothing", but how would the Maximovs live?
          1. Riv
            Riv 30 March 2016 17: 32
            +3
            Yes! Well-off States have completely fallen ...
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 March 2016 18: 05
            -5
            Quote: Koshak
            In the United States, the bulk of the population lives on coupons

            Not the masses, but the needy. Everyone lived with us - the whole country without exception! Of course, not counting the party functionaries - they can't, they are "MIND, HONOR AND CONSCIENCE"! They had their own distributors. yes
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 30 March 2016 19: 37
              +4
              Quote: Bayonet
              Not the mass, but the needy. Everyone lived with us - the whole country without exception!

              Well, you got excited about it, you know.
              None of the republics except the RSFSR coupons were introduced.
              This is so, by the way.
              To one more word, that "coupon lawlessness" was observed at the end of Gorbachev's rule.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 30 March 2016 20: 22
                -5
                Quote: Wheel
                None of the republics except the RSFSR coupons were introduced.

                And do I know whether the republics were all over the place, I lived in the RSFSR, which was ruled by "mind, honor and conscience"! She ate and got fat, helped the "brothers", and fed her own "bright future" and slogans. hi
          3. Cat man null
            Cat man null 30 March 2016 20: 38
            +1
            Quote: Koshak
            In the states the mass of the population lives on coupons

            These are slightly different coupons.. This is a kind of supplement to the unemployed (or to low-income people), which can be spent on the purchase of food. Not everyone, by the way.

            But it is a surcharge.

            In the USSR coupon meant the right to buy a certain amount of something. That is, there was no talk of any surcharge, a person could buy more, but without a coupon they were not ..

            It was, therefore, specifically about consumption regulation.

            Do not confuse warm with soft, please wink
      3. talot
        talot 30 March 2016 15: 27
        +12
        Quote: Riv
        For coupons

        they appeared in perestroika, and before that, everything was without coupons
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 March 2016 18: 18
          -1
          Quote: talot
          they appeared in perestroika, and before that, everything was without coupons

          Yes ? And in the 63rd I stood in line for groats for pleasure, when my parents were at work, is this a game?
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 30 March 2016 19: 42
            +4
            Quote: Bayonet
            Yes ? And in the 63rd I stood in line for groats for pleasure, when my parents were at work, is this a game?

            Yeah, holding precious coupons for the whole family in a small sweaty children's palm and trembling every minute, if they didn’t take it. laughing
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 11
              -2
              Quote: Wheel
              Yeah, holding precious coupons for the whole family in a small sweaty children's palm and trembling every minute, if they didn’t take it.

              If you didn’t have to, it doesn’t mean that others were doing well. Maybe you haven’t been yet or were close to the trough.
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: Riv
        For coupons, for a month, two kilograms of sausage could be taken,

        With what delight you recall this happy time - the opportunity to stand in line and buy something with coupons! request
    2. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 13: 21
      -18%
      Quote: Michael m
      And what, in fact, is a lie? What was the deficit or per capita consumption higher? What Maximov writes the truth or untruth?

      I’m violet at Maksimova, every day it’s not like meat, meat was not eaten, eggs, sea kale, milk, bread, wildly sticking pasta, buckwheat rice with pebbles - perhaps the whole unobtrusive service, the rest is lucky
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 March 2016 13: 50
        +21
        the rest how lucky
        Are you probably one of these? And my parents are the Soviet elite father is a carpenter, mother is a nurse. And we had everything. There was meat, eggs, milk, normal pasta, and also confidence in the future. It was not necessary to fit into socialism, as it is now, what it does not fit into the market. Soviet elite. maybe she lived sweetly, but like the current country she didn’t rob.
        And what kind of eternal lie about coupons? Coupons were introduced before the destruction of the USSR, in about 1990, but not before.
        1. Riv
          Riv 30 March 2016 14: 23
          +10
          We have - about a year in the 85th. This is for sausage and meat. Later appeared on buckwheat, condensed milk and pasta. But I would not say that they were not enough. It was more a matter of distribution rather than consumption. For example, the famous Hochma about the Moscow train, which smells like sausage. You can stuff Moscow shops and people will go there for food. And you can enter the distribution: so much to Moscow, so much to Tula - and there will be no problem. Coupons simply straightened the jambs of Soviet logistics.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 30 March 2016 14: 45
            +1
            We have - about a year in the 85th.
            Where do you have it? From 1982 to 1989 I lived in the Volga-Vyatka region, the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus, Crimea, the Sea of ​​Azov, Murmansk, Leningrad, well, I don’t remember coupons.
            1. Riv
              Riv 30 March 2016 14: 56
              +3
              Volga region. But there is nothing surprising in this. Coupons were not administered centrally. Relatives live in a neighboring area, so they had eggs, but we don’t. But they had pasta without coupons.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 March 2016 14: 56
          -18%
          Quote: Gardamir
          Coupons introduced before the destruction of the USSR

          But it was the USSR! It was the agony of a system that could not even feed its people!
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 30 March 2016 15: 17
            +12
            which couldn't even
            I didn’t want to, because the authorities were those who prepared their offices, after the destruction of the USSR.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 30 March 2016 20: 27
              -3
              Quote: Gardamir
              which couldn't even
              I didn’t want to, because the authorities were those who prepared their offices, after the destruction of the USSR.

              And why then put the cons, with what do not agree? Not logical smile
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 March 2016 20: 24
          -6
          Quote: Gardamir
          Soviet elite father carpenter, mother nurse

          Which poster is it from? And you are not an "officer's daughter" by any chance?
      2. saber
        saber 30 March 2016 15: 46
        +7
        All winter, half a pig hung in the barn. Just the whole pig did not put it into the freezer. more precisely in the freezers of ALL relatives. chain dog milk instead of water. not "ultra-pasteurized", but one where sour cream in three fingers on a three-liter can
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    3. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 30 March 2016 13: 35
      +16
      The deficit was not in all republics. I was a little dumbfounded from shops in Baku in 1985 when I went for a young replenishment. Despite the fact that in Akhtubinsk in those days the military trade supply was far from the worst.
      It was both good and bad. But if you compare with the 90s ... then socialism will seem like a paradise.
    4. DMB_95
      DMB_95 30 March 2016 13: 45
      +17
      Quote: Michael m
      And what, in fact, is a lie? What was the deficit or per capita consumption higher? What Maximov writes the truth or untruth?

      He writes garbage. Found, mother, horseradish from under the bench, so that in one fell swoop all Soviet d / shit doused. He didn’t have sausages .. And the fact that he received an excellent education, he used medicine for free and much more than what, now he has to pay big money - he forgot it. I would call countries where EVERYTHING was better than in the USSR of the 70s model. Those. only 30 years after the War, from which we came out with such human and economic losses, after which no one would rise to the level of the Superpower.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 March 2016 14: 12
        +18
        Found, mother, horseradish from under the bench, so that in one fell swoop all Soviet d / shit doused.
        here's another pepper. gentlemen moderators, it's not my fault that this one is so creepy, please do not delete, let the country know its "heroes"
        1. Vitwin
          Vitwin 30 March 2016 14: 23
          +12
          Quote: Gardamir
          here is another pepper.

          His stupidity and Petrosyan type of humor naturally makes you sick - but it fits into the format of our wretched TV "Rum and Pepsi Cola" - all that the Cossack has degenerated
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 30 March 2016 14: 38
            +11
            Quote: Vitwin
            His stupidity and Petrosyan type of humor naturally makes you sick - but it fits into the format of our wretched TV "Rum and Pepsi Cola" - all that the Cossack has degenerated

            at such uro zombie tv and holding on angry
    5. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 30 March 2016 17: 13
      +4
      And what, in fact, is a lie? What was the deficit or per capita consumption higher? What Maximov writes the truth or untruth?

      the truth is different, sticking out one and keeping silent about the other can make completely different conclusions hi you need to be able to highlight the main thing ...
  • magician
    magician 30 March 2016 13: 34
    +14
    I lived in the district center 25 years from birth, I remember very well the store shelves. Yes, there were 20 varieties of each type of sausage, only five to six varieties, and the milk turned sour, not rotten. Imported shoes were on the shelves, but not for long, but imported clothing (tracksuits, jeans, T-shirts) - I saw an abundance of all this in the general store. Probably somewhere it was thick, somewhere empty.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 30 March 2016 14: 12
      +8
      Probably somewhere it was thick, somewhere empty.


      First of all, they were brought to the capitals and the outback. My father in the 80s was constantly on business trips to the north of the Far East. So he brought me such clothes from there that the local mothers in the kindergarten considered us "visiting". Although my father was just an aviator engineer. But in general, the supply situation was constantly improving, I have already cited the example with the same chicken here more than once. In the 70s there was no cruise in Khabarovsk, the first years of my life my mother was exactly what "got" the "blue" through her women in labor. And in the early 80s, TWO poultry farms were built and the chicken issue was resolved. A taxi driver in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky told me the same thing on the way from the airport.
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 March 2016 16: 02
        +5
        And we from the south of the Far East bought things in Moldova or in a store with a military unit. And books could be bought in large villages, not far from the regional center. The Khabarovsk residents brought dairy products from Blagoveshchensk, and we made wafer cakes from them.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 15
          -2
          Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
          And we from the south of the Far East bought things in Moldova or in a store with a military unit. And books could be bought in large villages, not far from the regional center. The Khabarovsk residents brought dairy products from Blagoveshchensk, and we made wafer cakes from them.

          And why not in a local store, because everything was full - "the shelves were bursting"? smile
    2. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 30 March 2016 16: 18
      +4
      Quote: wizard
      I lived in the district center 25 years from birth, I remember very well the store shelves. Yes, there were 20 varieties of each type of sausage, only five to six varieties, and the milk turned sour, not rotten. Imported shoes were on the shelves, but not for long, but imported clothing (tracksuits, jeans, T-shirts) - I saw an abundance of all this in the general store. Probably somewhere it was thick, somewhere empty.

      There was an OPC supply system (work supply department) and a Consumer Union. Goods delivered over the hill were purchased. Therefore, imports arrived in remote areas: in timber industry enterprises, villages. In exchange for cranberries and mushrooms, the Finns bought low-grade wood clippings from timber industry enterprises. Of course, closer to the center, all the goods bypassing the counter came to the flea market.
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  • 79807420129
    79807420129 30 March 2016 13: 50
    +24
    The USSR was primarily spiritualized, but the current system is not. And this current unfruitful system for the gluttony of some, who were corroded like a wardrobe, and the poverty of others, has lost the main thing - the soul.

    Absolutely, what a deficit, yes a deficit, only the refrigerator was always full and in winter there was still a string bag sticking out, neighbors were known all over the house, and not just those who lived nearby, parents were worried about the children so that they would be fed and lessons done and so that they come from the street that weren’t scratched to blood, you can remember a lot, you can remember how they went to the cinema, watched both our and foreign paintings, which are much better than Hollywood.
    Quote: poquello
    lies

    It seems you did not live in the USSR or do not remember.
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal guzzling, it was necessary to look for it

    There was a lot of meat in the bazaar, moreover, it’s not possible to take today's sausage in your mouth, you can’t compare it with doctor’s or amateur Soviet times, since childhood I loved condensed milk, now I can’t stand it, whole palm oil, today it’s real I ate, and then there was natural food, and they were looking badly, I always remember the refrigerator was full.
    1. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 14: 30
      -12%
      Quote: 79807420129
      ... the refrigerator was always full, and in winter, a string bag still stuck out of the window,

      they filled the refrigerators because they were packed in full, now I have four network markets within a radius of 200m and what for do I have to hammer in the refrigerator? no need to search, stand in lines and spend your time searching
      It seems you did not live in the USSR or do not remember.

      I really don’t remember the Soviet cornucopia
      Do not compare doctoral or amateur Soviet times

      and then, besides normal, it was green with a tuhlinka, and now there is a doctor’s tastier than the Soviet one, if you buy cheap, why yell what's bad
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 14: 59
        +10
        the refrigerators filled because they were full, now I have four network markets in 200 radius and what for do I need to hammer in the refrigerator? no need to search, stand in lines and spend your time searching


        So what? In mikrakh (5-I platform), where I lived before the 1 class, there were 6 grocery stores, plus a market.

        I really don’t remember the Soviet cornucopia


        And he was not there, it was just enough for everyone.

        and then, besides normal, it was green with a tuhlinka, and now there is a doctor’s tastier than the Soviet one, if you buy cheap, why yell what's bad


        The zavmag could pay for the rotten meat, and it was such a place that no one would want to lose, so do not la-la. These are already the late 80s and 90s.
        Well, to argue that sausage is tastier for 500 rubles or Soviet, is useless, it is impossible to compare. BUT, it’s enough to look at the composition and the plus, well, not everyone can afford to throw 500-700 rubles per sausage for a week. She still can’t get enough.
      2. talot
        talot 30 March 2016 15: 36
        +4
        Quote: poquello
        I really don’t remember the Soviet cornucopia

        Repeatedly wrote in the comments that there wasn’t such an abundance as it was now, but it was much better and tastier, and without the chemistry that is now on the shelves, it doesn’t matter, at least take it cheaply, at least expensively.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 20
      -3
      Quote: 79807420129
      I always remember the refrigerator clogged sort of eyeballs was.

      But why bother him to the eyeballs if the stores were full? wink
  • svd-xnumx
    svd-xnumx 30 March 2016 14: 05
    +11
    lies
    In the village of 5 thousand people there were 3 canteens and cafes in which 1 rub. it was possible to eat (zhra) to the dump, now there is one pub with filthy fast food.
  • sergo42
    sergo42 30 March 2016 14: 16
    +6
    Without justification, these are simply air vibrations. Then there was meat in the sausage - I remember that
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 30 March 2016 14: 30
      +10
      What is the argument about? The union at different times was very different! For example, I remember the late Brezhnev and Gorbachev - nothing much good, others remember Stalin and Khrushchev - completely different impressions! But in order to remember only the bad, it is necessary to have a special, destructive, mindset! hi
      IMHO
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 25
        -2
        Quote: engineer74
        But in order to remember only the bad, it is necessary to have a special, destructive, mindset!

        And in order not to remember the bad, you need to have no conscience. hi
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 23
      0
      Quote: sergo42
      Then there was meat in the sausage - I remember that

      It was, but more fat! smile
  • aleshka
    aleshka 30 March 2016 14: 23
    +2
    motivate what was said! I was born in 1965! everything was so!
  • Derfuchs
    Derfuchs 30 March 2016 16: 08
    +8
    don’t be a coward! -Kuru we bought freely-meat was, I remember from childhood, and sausage cutlets and -MMMMMMMM ... dumplings are 100 times tastier than now! -unas sausage was yes-diphitsit-but right now I’m better for THIS! -from which it smelled already a mile away from the store. I do not say anything about milk and sour cream, it always was!
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  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 30 March 2016 18: 31
    0
    This is you utter bullshit.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 30 March 2016 19: 11
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    lies

    Damn, it's not my fault that such a first comment. wink
    The Soviet paradox is the turn in the shops for meat, the freezers in the houses are stuffed with meat to the eyeballs. Nobody was starving. To her!
    That the modern "elite", that the political, that the "creative" hayot Soviet life does not surprise me. It amazes me that today's young people believe in what they are presented with. Where are the parents, older relatives? Why is it allowed to lie in the ears and brains of young people? Allow. Comments on the article are an example of this.
    Yes, there were queues for much, and for apartments, and for cars, and much more .... Why? Forget what our country went through in the XNUMXth century?
  • starshina78
    starshina78 30 March 2016 19: 50
    +5
    Not a lie, but a sheer truth! There was meat in the shops! At least in my hometown there were two traders - Torg and OPC. If in the bargaining the meat was sometimes not very good, let's say, then in any OPC shop there was a lot of meat and any. Sausage - 2p20 - "Doctor's", 2p90k. - "Amateur" (fragrant !!!), and what was the loin or brisket - the current one is not suitable for a candle! Yes, closer to perestroika it was worse. Mother-in-law, I remember, came all hands in the rooms were (wrote down the number in the queue so as not to forget). But this is all nonsense !!! The main thing is different - then in the USSR we lived happier, happier, more reliable and more friendly !!! My youth fell on the early seventies. We wanted to listen to "Deep Purple" - we listened, recording either from a disc, or from each other on a tape recorder, and no one forbade it. I did not feel that I was being infringed upon. We read samizdat rhymes, such as: "... a silver hake got married, took a sardinella as a wife, their daughter was born - Brezhnev called him my baby ...", and they planted nothing. Remember any holiday - in the morning for a demonstration (in front of it the trade union will pour 100 grams with a sandwich) with an accordion, with songs, then a feast at home with dances, then seeing off the guests and this farewell lasted until midnight. You can write about the USSR endlessly. I do not dispute that everything was good and wonderful. There were negative moments, but if we put all the good and the bad on the scales, then the good will outweigh by much.
    1. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 20: 13
      -7
      Quote: starshina78
      Not a lie, but the true truth! There was meat in the shops! At least in my hometown there were two traders - Bargaining and ODP ...

      But what are you all interesting like, did you eat meat every day in the USSR? I do not - it was unprofitable. Now every day, and for granted.
      You are the first one where it can be assumed that they ate meat every day, out of 80 minusers, and then shit, but shit, that you moved.
      1. saksan
        saksan 31 March 2016 07: 57
        +1
        Quote: poquello
        Did you eat meat every day in the USSR? I do not - it was unprofitable

        And why was it unprofitable for you? Is there anything in the tunnels? WHO DOES NOT WORK - THAT DOES NOT EAT !!

        On one of the days of the week, namely on Thursday, there was a fish day in the catering system of the USSR, so that we also didn’t eat meat every day. This did not concern the army!
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 30 March 2016 20: 06
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    lies

    a lie!
  • Weyland
    Weyland 31 March 2016 00: 46
    +1
    Quote: poquello
    lies


    Do you compare this with modernity, focusing on shelves in stores? It is said - meat and other natural products and not soy and GMOs!
    1. poquello
      poquello 31 March 2016 01: 03
      -2
      Quote: Weyland
      Quote: poquello
      lies


      Do you compare this with modernity, focusing on shelves in stores? It is said - meat and other natural products and not soy and GMOs!

      Where did I write that I eat soy and gmo? I focus on personal experience - I grew up under Brezhnev, I can compare.
  • jPilot
    jPilot 31 March 2016 03: 46
    +7
    Not respected, I wrote and will write again for people like YOU!
    You know the song: "I can see everything from the top, you just know it"
    In 2010, thanks to the "sensitive" leadership of Serdyukov, he resigned from the RF Armed Forces. And he moved into the "national economy" as a private pilot. Since then, he has flown over most of the country from the Volga to Magadan. So almost everywhere there is a myriad of ABANDONED fields, many of which are already gradually overgrown with forest and can hardly be guessed, and after all, once these fields brought good harvests.
    Now about the meat. Once he flew from the Urals to the Volga and one of the passengers decided to count the flocks of cattle flying. So he counted only 6 !!! herds and not very large. BUT, in almost every village there are DESTROYED farms, and moreover, the buildings are not of any kind there 60x-70s (these are also nearby), namely new, but clearly unfinished, abandoned.
    Now I fly in Yakutia here the picture is similar, in the country of reindeer herders there are practically NO deer. And if herds come across, then not large ones. At the same time, locals recall the numerous herds of reindeer husbandry in Soviet times.
    So LIES, you write this and liberals like you and Prokhorov who declared at one time that the USSR was bankrupt.
    And the most interesting thing (noticed from the experience of personal life) that such "detractors" Maksimovs, during Stalin's time, were ardent informers and whistleblowers, at the time of Khrushchev, ardent denunciators, at the time of Brezhnev, ardent censors and other parasites on the body of the country. BUT the worst thing is that THESE GUMPS did not go anywhere, THEY stayed there and continue their BLACK business because they "do not care" about RUSSIA the main thing for them is to fill their belly, and they are not satisfied ... angry
  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 31 March 2016 06: 56
    -5
    I completely agree with you
    Now for 1 kg of beef fillet (pork is cheaper) I give 1/100 of the salary, then in the days of the USSR 1/30, the difference is on the face
    1. saksan
      saksan 31 March 2016 08: 10
      +4
      Quote: DrMadfisher
      totally agree with you
      Now for 1 kg of beef fillet (pork is cheaper) I give 1/100 of the salary, then in the days of the USSR 1/30, the difference is on the face


      In the USSR, meat cost 2p20k for you, that the salary was 66p.!? It was necessary to manage to find a job with such a salary!
  • bovig
    bovig 31 March 2016 07: 11
    0
    Quote: poquello
    What Maximov writes about Soviet supply is both true and not. There was a deficit - but the per capita consumption of meat and other natural products in the USSR was much higher than now.

    lies

    Your word is a shortcut! Hanging it is easy and simple - it’s harder to justify ... Although, if you take into account only your own soul, then you are probably right ...)))) Especially if it matters to you EVERYTHING exactly what quality meat you consume - the main thing is that it looks appetizing and there are a lot ...))))
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 31 March 2016 21: 36
      0
      Nevertheless, the West was an order of magnitude superior to the USSR. And it took decades to develop high technologies: remember how, for the sake of ideology, cybernetics with genetics was ineptly destroyed.
  • MrK
    MrK April 1 2016 00: 31
    +1
    Especially for poquello I will cite data from data from the socio-political journal of the Federal Assembly - the Parliament of the Russian Federation.
    The per capita consumption of food in 2013 after the defeat of collective farms was reduced as follows: meat - from 75 kg to 35 kg, milk - from 386 kg to 211 kg, eggs - from 297 to 202 kg, fish - from 20 kg to 8,4 kg, sugar - from 47 to 25 kg.
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex April 1 2016 18: 14
    +1
    I was born and raised in the USSR in a Ukrainian village in the Kuban, There was everything and sweets in the store (I remember saving a little thing for my favorite chocolate sorbet, as I remember now that it was like the price of an 5-70 plane) and we always had our own meat , like what grew in the garden. There were no problems with clothes. I remember how white jealousy envied my classmate, to whom a single mother bought a fist tape recorder with an amplifier and speakers. bought on credit, but bought, and raised a son, and we all grew up at her place too. In general, not in poverty. Yes, of course, the bad can also be remembered, because we didn’t live in paradise.
    So your
    lies
    This is from the evil one.
  • asher
    asher April 2 2016 08: 35
    0
    Does a naive citizen think that the products in the stores are now natural? And I am constantly looking for sausage from meat, and when I find it, then at least 600 r.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 March 2016 13: 02
    +18
    Yes, there were ideological quacks. But there was a country and there was a PEOPLE. Therefore, we were invincible and our brazen enemies did not climb.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 36
      -3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Yes, there were ideological quacks.

      Constantly! How many people suffered from these "quirks" ...
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      But there was a country and there was a PEOPLE.

      And now there is no country and no people ??? Where do you live? Why are you so humiliating about Russia.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Therefore, we were invincible and our brazen enemies did not climb.
      And now you can take us with your bare hands? Don’t put the Modern Army penniless?
      The most surprising thing is that such statements are supported by "patriots", now there are 18 people in favor. request
  • tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 30 March 2016 13: 02
    +22
    The difference between the Western state and the USSR has an exact scientific formulation: the USSR is a paternalistic country, and the countries of Western democracy are manipulative states. The USSR is everything for the people, everything is there for money bags. Here lies the essence of the answer to lovers of criticism of the conspiracy theory.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 30 March 2016 13: 07
    +36
    I am for Soviet censorship !!! What is happening on TV, even on the central channels, can only be called with obscene words. The fact that everything earned and created by ancestors fell into the hands of a vile bunch of oligarchs, even using obscene words cannot be expressed !!!
    1. neo.
      neo. 30 March 2016 13: 27
      +19
      not even use obscene words !!!
      And how many "fat" nichrenderers of the SHOW business have got divorced. Devouring loot and giving it out in the toilet.
      ELITE, their mother, secular! Clans of Alla.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 March 2016 21: 15
        +1
        In SHOW - business people give money themselves in order to have fun, therefore this business is very profitable and will always be so.
    2. Erg
      Erg 30 March 2016 14: 57
      +8
      Now, according to the news, a box (Russia 1) has shown that some billionaire of ours was caught in the states, and the girls were accused of raping. Tell me - do I need it? Is this news? Or do they think that the whole country, clinging to the screens, will worry about him? Low level of professionalism, lack of ethics, morality, sometimes just reason - this is our TV. With rare exceptions ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 05
        +1
        Or do they think that the whole country, clinging to the screens, will worry about him


        I won’t even look. Himself to blame, GDP has long said, nefig do there. It's time to sit at home.
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 30 March 2016 21: 17
        +3
        Now, according to the news, a box (Russia 1) has shown that some billionaire of ours was caught in the states, and the girls were accused of raping. Tell me - do I need it? Is this news? Or do they think that the whole country, clinging to the screens, will worry about him? Low level of professionalism, lack of ethics, morality, sometimes just reason - this is our TV. With rare exceptions ...

        here I, and not only me, completely agree! This oldest profession is simply a gag reflex! how they relish the tragedy! the last case was an airplane in Rostov, how upset they were that they couldn’t communicate with relatives! a pathetic attempt to express sympathy with the tragedy even after Brussels - when the same shots flicker behind the lead of the host, she goes on saying the same thing ... that's all! there was nothing in the country and the world in those days! life has stopped!

        Sometimes you think - in Soviet times there were news from the fields, it was terribly annoying, but now you really want good news about achievements, about normal people who do something necessary. Do you remember programs with outstanding people on TV? now it is not a format, not interesting, they say, to the people. In the evening at the most watchable time "Let's get married", in the morning - "Let's get medical treatment." There are very few good broadcasts and, as a rule, late at night, for show. In the USSR, any "poor" about the Great Patriotic War knew more than many modern "excellent students"!
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 49
      0
      Quote: Mikhail M
      I am for Soviet censorship !!! What is happening on TV, even on the central channels, can only be called with obscene words.

      Who makes you watch something you don't like? Now there are hundreds of channels and there is a choice. I remember the times (I worked at ORTPTS) when there were only 2 channels. On one "News from the fields" about the endless battle for the harvest, on the other materials of the next congress or social competition - choose and enjoy! And all the texts read by the announcers were really taken to the censor in the editorial office of the regional newspaper "Molot" hi
  • poquello
    poquello 30 March 2016 13: 07
    -24%
    And there is no film banned in the USSR that would later turn out to be great.

    author, completely lost his conscience, in magazines read about Superman, Star Wars and James Bond, this is an alien culture - nizya
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 30 March 2016 13: 11
      +23
      Want to say movies
      Quote: poquello
      about Superman, Star Wars and James Bond
      - became great????? belay
      1. 0255
        0255 30 March 2016 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: sdc_alex
        Want to say movies
        Quote: poquello
        about Superman, Star Wars and James Bond
        - became great????? belay

        Superman and James Bond are crap. And "Star Wars" are great films that are rightfully considered great good
        1. saber
          saber 30 March 2016 15: 48
          +4
          due to special effects. plot rubbish.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 12
            +2
            due to special effects. plot rubbish.


            No, the movie is not bad. They would show French films because they showed Indian films.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 March 2016 21: 17
              +1
              One Fantomas in the USSR that he did.
          2. 0255
            0255 30 March 2016 17: 26
            +2
            Quote: Saber
            due to special effects. plot rubbish.

            Normal plot.
            1. saber
              saber 30 March 2016 19: 23
              0
              fig plot. There are a lot of works in the genre of science fiction that would be worth filming
          3. Weyland
            Weyland 31 March 2016 00: 59
            0
            Quote: Saber
            due to special effects. plot rubbish.


            And special effects are for idiots! Explosions in space - with clouds of smoke, marching combat robots, as a little higher in post 0255 ... By the way, why are they not doing these now? Hard? Not a fig - impractical! “There are no humanoid robots in the armies of the real world. Heavy equipment should have a low center of mass for stability, a large support area for cross-country ability, a minimum of protruding parts for maximum armor protection and a low profile so as not to be an easy target. The tank satisfies everyone, a huge humanoid robot - none. " (http://posmotre.li/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8
            2%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B
            C%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%82_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B
            B%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD)
            The four-legged robot is no better than a humanoid in this respect ...
            And in addition: "In the original Star Wars trilogy, Imperial stormtroopers are described as highly trained veterans of many campaigns, possessing incredible firepower, training and fighting spirit. At the same time, they are completely unable to somehow damage the main characters, even with multiple numerical superiority." ... (http://posmotre.li/%D0%AD%D1%84%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_%D1%88%D1%82%D1%83%D1%8
            0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0)
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            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet April 1 2016 07: 59
              0
              Quote: Weyland
              “There are no humanoid robots in the armies of the real world.

              And why then they fenced off this crap, throw dust in your eyes? They screwed the doll to the ATV (so that it wouldn't crash!) And showed the President how an outstanding achievement. Amateur production on the theme of "Star Wars"! wassat
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 30 March 2016 13: 20
      +14
      Quote: poquello
      this is an alien culture - nizya

      Well, Tarzan’s adventures, exploits of Superman enriched your brains with many?
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 March 2016 13: 33
        -11%
        Quote: V.ic
        Quote: poquello
        this is an alien culture - nizya

        Well, Tarzan’s adventures, exploits of Superman enriched your brains with many?

        probably talking about censorship, and not about "Baby"
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 30 March 2016 14: 29
          +10
          your posts about "zhralovo" you equate yourself with pigs!
    3. aleshka
      aleshka 30 March 2016 14: 25
      +3
      so this is shit and you can’t watch now!
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 March 2016 14: 45
        -10%
        Quote: Alesha
        so this is shit and you can’t watch now!

        uncles sat and decided that I can read, watch, listen, speak, it’s like in dill now, well, in the Baltic states, in the west partially
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 38
          +9
          uncles sat and decided that I can read, watch, listen, speak, it’s like in dill now, well, in the Baltic states, in the west partially


          So they decide now. The fact that at more or less reasonable prices is the way all kinds of detectives are oak, but they will leave them without a pants for a normal book. They don’t buy it. We also watch on TV what channel owners feed. And advertising is not annoying? I personally infuriated while the telly watched.
          And there was much to say then. Only in vain do not talk in language, but in deed.
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 March 2016 16: 47
            0
            Quote: alicante11
            And there was much to say then. Only in vain do not talk in language, but in deed.

            Met abroad Russian and American. American says:
            - You do not have freedom of speech in the USSR. Here in America everyone can go to the White House and shout “Reagan -”!
            Russian:
            “Just think ... and everyone can go out to Red Square and shout:“ Reagan - ”.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2016 17: 14
              +7
              Quote: poquello
              Met abroad Russian and American. The American says: “You have no freedom of speech in the USSR.” Here in America everyone can go to the White House and shout “Reagan -”! Russian: - Just think ... and everyone can go out to Red Square and shout: "Reagan -".


              A bit wrong.
              A Russian and an American met abroad. The American says - You have no freedom of speech in the USSR. Here in America, anyone can go to the White House and shout: "Reagan -..."! and he will get nothing for it!
              Russian - think, we can also go out to the red square and shout "Reagan - ..." and he won't get anything for it, and you try to come to the office of the company where you work and shout "My director and chairman of the board of directors -. .. "
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 30 March 2016 17: 14
              +3
              - You do not have freedom of speech in the USSR. Here in America everyone can go to the White House and shout “Reagan -”!


              I'm afraid you have outdated data. Take the example of Erdogan.
              1. poquello
                poquello 30 March 2016 17: 43
                -7
                Quote: alicante11
                - You do not have freedom of speech in the USSR. Here in America everyone can go to the White House and shout “Reagan -”!


                I'm afraid you have outdated data. Take the example of Erdogan.

                Erdogan in the USSR? unbelievably
        2. talot
          talot 30 March 2016 15: 49
          +5
          most of what uncles didn’t allow, you wouldn’t even read now.
          Yes, there were excesses, but there was less abomination. Filters are needed to make the water cleaner. Yes, sometimes the filter didn’t miss and the good, but only because it was good with a wormhole ...
    4. talot
      talot 30 March 2016 15: 44
      0
      back in 87-89 (I don’t remember exactly) I watched both James Bond and Star Wars, but I didn’t read it in magazines ... Moreover, in some old Soviet cinema (I don’t remember the name but the episode is remembered) there are frames as characters they leave the cinema in which they were just watching star wars (the moment was shown when Captain Solo and his ilk were fighting off the imperial ships) ...
      and you say "in magazines"
  • Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 30 March 2016 13: 08
    +25
    Personally, I would be better off living under the Soviet Union, there was some confidence in the future, there was a decent salary for which there was something to buy. I worked for several years at one enterprise, they gave me an apartment, and most importantly, people were kind to each other. There was a sense of pride in my state .
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 13: 11
      -13%
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Personally, I'd rather live under the Soviet Union

      and your children?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 14: 19
        +11
        And you won’t believe it, we held the eldest birthday party for 11 years, so I had to miss two contests in order to answer the questions of his guests. The guys were very keenly interested. They just do not know at all.
        And, by the way, they are happy to sing "Let them run awkwardly" instead of being idle.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 14: 40
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          And you won’t believe it, we hosted the eldest birthday party for 11 years, so I had to miss two contests in order to answer questions
          this, without sarcasm, is very sweet, but the purely empirical interest of the children has nothing to do with
          Quote: Spartanez300
          I’d better live under the Soviet Union,
          does not have. As said Minister of education - "Our goal is to educate competent consumer“I think that comments are superfluous? Actually, they, unfortunately, quite cope with this.
          I’m very curious what the history textbook will be like this year, 2030m.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 05
            +2
            this, without sarcasm, is very sweet, but the purely empirical interest of the children has nothing to do with


            So they just do not know what the USSR is. How can they think that life was better then.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 15: 27
              -8
              Quote: alicante11
              So they just do not know what the USSR is.

              well yes. Let them read the lion's share of these comments - they will want to live in a magical USSR. There are noble storytellers.
              They invented cozy tales for themselves and live in an illusory memorable world.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 52
                +7
                well yes. Let them read the lion's share of these comments - they will want to live in a magical USSR. There are noble storytellers.


                And let me honor the rest, so they will spit on the words of the USSR. I have not seen biased posts here for the USSR. But many (not all) who are against are completely biased.
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 04
                  -3
                  Quote: alicante11
                  I have not seen biased posts here for the USSR. But many (not all) who are against are completely biased.

                  Of course.
                  "Everyone is right in his own way. But in my opinion - no" (c)
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 28
                    +3
                    Of course.
                    "Everyone is right in his own way. But in my opinion - no" (c)


                    Yeah, you may not be right, but it’s better to tell the truth.
                    1. Pinkie F.
                      Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 36
                      -2
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Yeah, you may not be right, but it’s better to tell the truth.

                      could be so.
                      Only everyone has their own "truth about the USSR", whether we like it or not.
                      1. V.ic
                        V.ic 30 March 2016 19: 12
                        +5
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Only everyone has their own "truth about the USSR", whether we like it or not.

                        I was born in the USSR, my children were born by my wife in the USSR. The USSR corresponded to the image of the Motherland = Mother. It's true. What mother gave birth to you and which country you identify with your homeland = this is not true yet.
                      2. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 20: 08
                        0
                        Quote: V.ic
                        It's true.

                        Quote: V.ic
                        this is not true yet.

                        I talked about exactly that.
                        Quote: V.ic
                        What mother gave birth to you and which country do you identify with your homeland

                        sounds rude.
                        But I don’t care.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet April 1 2016 08: 06
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                I have not seen biased posts here for the USSR.

                You have a good Soviet tempering — double morality and not a single step away from the general line of the party! laughing
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 April 1 2016 13: 20
                  0
                  You have a good Soviet tempering — double morality and not a single step away from the general line of the party!


                  And you don’t have it at all, if you build such a slander. In full accordance with the requirements of the hate-capitalists.
        2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 March 2016 16: 52
          -2
          A literate consumer is cool! This is a person who will not eat sausage from all sorts of rubbish, endure rudeness in service, incl. state services, to buy domestic goods only because it is their own, but at the same time they produce bad goods not because it is so profitable for society, as it was during the USSR, but because the owners are already cutting down the loot robustly and they are satisfied with everything. Who will not watch all sorts of rubbish on TV and domestic "patriotic" films in which his own fatherland is screwed up, simply because all this is not beneficial to a person, as part of his fatherland. The person who will vote in the elections for the one who is the best, and not like in Ukraine: they elect presidents and a year later they consider him worse than the previous one. Who will seek truth and justice.
          To educate a competent consumer is very useful and extremely difficult. The main thing is that they do not bring up this business!
          Not everyone will become the creators of the new, but if instead of a competent consumer everyone will suffer.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 30 March 2016 17: 01
        +4
        Quote: alicante11 And, by the way, they are happy to sing "Let them run awkwardly" instead of being idle.


        And, most importantly, children were taught the right thing. Therefore, modern children feel it.
        Sausage, sausage, but can such cartoons be compared with the current ones?
    2. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 30 March 2016 15: 04
      +13
      Quote: Pinky F.
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Personally, I'd rather live under the Soviet Union

      and your children?

      All children in the USSR were provided with both development and a good education. Together with the USSR, the proper attitude towards children disappeared. As experienced teachers say, "children have become different." I do not want to consider it a norm when girls of marriageable age cannot count how much one ticket costs, if 2 tickets are 190 rubles. I watched and could only solve it using a calculator in my mobile phone.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 15: 30
        -6
        Quote: olimpiada15
        All the children in the USSR were provided with both development and a good education ... when girls on marriage cannot count how much one ticket costs, if 2 tickets are 190 rubles. Watched

        and I watched in the army how a nineteen-year-old kid could not find Australia on the map. 1984 year.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 13
          +9
          and I watched in the army how a nineteen-year-old kid could not find Australia on the map. 1984 year.


          Every family has its black sheep. And now it is massive.
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 27
            -3
            Quote: alicante11
            Every family has its black sheep.

            so I understand, a minus to my comment was addressed to this illiterate guy, who was called "yodom"? By the way, isn't it too arrogant?
            Quote: alicante11
            And now it is massive.

            you know, judging by the spelling of some commentators, most of which
            Quote: olimpiada15
            in the USSR both development and good education were provided
            - either underdeveloped, or underdeveloped. So leave generational arrogance, please.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 42
              +6
              so I understand, a minus to my comment was addressed to this illiterate guy, who was called "yodom"? By the way, isn't it too arrogant?


              Not minus. And so - yes, the guy is not too arrogant. Not knowing where the whole continent is located is a bust.

              you know, judging by the spelling of some commentators, most of which


              I am begging you. Now I have 23: 40. And long ago it would be time to sleep, tomorrow for work, but the topic bit, so you write faster, not to spelling or checking punctuation. And on average, Soviet education is better. I work in a techie and can compare. What we have now, even with 90-mi can not be compared.
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 47
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                not up to spelling or punctuation checks.

                I didn’t mean you at all)
                Quote: alicante11
                And on average, Soviet education is better. I work in a techie and can compare. What we have now even does not compare with the 90s.

                Well, you know better, you are close)
              2. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 49
                +1
                Quote: alicante11
                And so - yes, to the guy

                and you know, in general, right ... This "guy" was such a notorious frostbitten "grandfather" ... Stupid ...
        2. aleshka
          aleshka April 13 2016 21: 11
          0
          that he is probably from Western Ukraine!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 30 March 2016 21: 19
    +1
    For those who are engaged in business, confidence in the future will always be.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 30 March 2016 23: 43
      +1
      For those who are engaged in business, confidence in the future will always be.

      Unfortunately, not always ... Too much uncertainty in the current state of the country. While you are healthy and you have the strength, there are no children, grandchildren - I agree. hi
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 13: 09
    -4
    Soviet people won the Civil War

    interesting statement.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 March 2016 13: 09
    +8
    Than, than .. The unity of nations and the beauty of a single country, so different and so beautiful. Any separation is savagery, and unification is development!
  • An60
    An60 30 March 2016 13: 10
    +13
    In the USSR there was confidence in the future, and now .. request
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 30 March 2016 13: 16
      +6
      And what does tomorrow not suit you today? smile
      1. An60
        An60 30 March 2016 13: 41
        +5
        The fact that today I do not know how you will be tomorrow.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 March 2016 21: 25
          +1
          Tomorrow will be the same as today - "And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch, or rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it."
      2. Erg
        Erg 30 March 2016 15: 09
        +1
        Always appreciated people for humor. Even black ... I can’t get a plus, but my hand doesn’t rise to minus either ... hi
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 March 2016 21: 22
        +1
        People themselves lower themselves to the bottom, only someone from this bottom rises, and someone remains at the bottom.
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 30 March 2016 23: 54
          0
          People themselves lower themselves to the bottom, only someone from this bottom rises, and someone remains at the bottom.

          I’m not always myself - I don’t agree here, sometimes the circumstances are stronger, but I agree with the second part, it’s a test, either you fold your legs and wait for it to end soon, or you fight hard and you are given a reward - a new test laughing
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    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 March 2016 13: 57
      +9
      In the USSR, people worked for society, that is, for themselves, and now they work for the master.
      1. 0255
        0255 30 March 2016 15: 18
        -6
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        In the USSR, people worked for society, that is, for themselves, and now they work for the master.

        Yeah, under capitalism, a person exploits a person, and under socialism, the opposite laughing
    4. 0255
      0255 30 March 2016 15: 17
      +3
      Quote: An60
      In the USSR there was confidence in the future, and now .. request

      Was until the end of 1991 sad
      1. andj61
        andj61 30 March 2016 21: 45
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        Quote: An60
        In the USSR there was confidence in the future, and now .. request

        Was until the end of 1991 sad

        Well, yes - as long as the USSR existed ...
  • Riv
    Riv 30 March 2016 13: 11
    +2
    Here is some kind of clerk ... He wrote everything correctly and suddenly: "the spirit was not enough to preserve the holy idea!" Well, what kind of fashion is one responsible for all? Who didn't have the heart? Not with me, exactly. And none of my platoon (and I just on the day of the beginning of the coup in 1991 interceded on duty in the company) had the guts to go out and pick democratic brains with shoulder blades. But the commands were never given, which means that the author does not need to talk about my soul.

    In general, the author ... how is it in the cartoon? "The bird talker is worth a whole zopark!"
    1. dauria
      dauria 30 March 2016 14: 05
      +3
      the gut was not thin to go out and scoop democratic brains. But the teams never gave


      Okay to you. We are all to blame for hiding our heads in the sand. "They didn't give commands ..." They didn't need a command
      1. Riv
        Riv 30 March 2016 14: 13
        +4
        Like small children, in kind. What does the militia of Minin and Pozharsky have to do with it? And if you consider yourself guilty, then kill yourself on the toilet.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 30 March 2016 14: 23
      0
      But they didn’t give commands, which means that the author shouldn’t talk about my soul.


      You don't need a lot of spirit on command. Now, if you threw your platoon on alarm and at the White House yourself, then you can talk about "spirit."
      1. Riv
        Riv 30 March 2016 15: 00
        0
        Evgeny Vaganovich ?! I recognized you right away.
    3. brn521
      brn521 30 March 2016 17: 14
      -4
      Quote: Riv
      the gut was not thin to go out and scoop democratic brains. But the teams never gave

      Exactly, an order was required, and nothing else. What is the point, the rams gather and nostalgia, like the grass was thicker under the former shepherd, they drove to the watering place more often, they let anyone but us, cut them naked, etc. Yes, a sheep was also brought up from a Soviet person, the people were on their own, the government itself, this is the standard basis for the existence of any large human community. And the reason why no one stood up for the USSR. If the system is always the same, society is always divided into shepherds and sheep, then there is no sense in nostalgia. Nothing depends on the ram. With the same success, after ten years we can with even greater nostalgia recall the current times when we ate every day, and even had the opportunity to kill time reading and writing all kinds of nonsense on the Internet. Nevertheless, I hope that my pessimistic bleating will not come true. But anyway, I look with caution at the hosts' attempts to cling to our neck technically more and more advanced bells (digital passports and accounting systems). We won’t have time to turn around like that, either to run away or once again to butten a too evil shepherd. You’ll even have to bleat on command. And they’ll throw up as much food as they then plan to cut wool and meat, and not a gram more. All the same, we can’t rock the boat. Can we still get some shepherd to awaken now, while it is possible? I would suggest, as a victim, someone who will especially insist on these newfangled bells. But, by the way, no, I’m a peaceful ram, I’ll go better on my way.
      1. Riv
        Riv 30 March 2016 17: 36
        0
        "... my pessimistic bleating ..." - well, no one pulled you by the tongue. You gave yourself a characterization. Bley on and be glad that at least you don't crow.
        And when the shepherd comes running (well, they give commands to them) - do not forget to run fast wherever it orders.
        1. brn521
          brn521 31 March 2016 13: 52
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          "... my pessimistic bleating ..." - well, no one pulled you by the tongue

          At least I didn't ruin the USSR. And I do not dismiss the fact that there was no order for protection. And all these arguments: "yes I ...", "yes if only ..." look frankly pitiful.
          Quote: Riv
          And when the shepherd comes running (well, they give commands to them) - do not forget to run fast wherever it orders.

          This is not for me. This is for those who "expected orders." To you that is including. I often said what I thought was necessary and did what I thought was necessary. So no rose-colored glasses are hanging on me when I look at the USSR. I remember how it rotted and how it smelled. Few believed in this ideological nonsense, people tried to get better. I remember how they scolded, how they laughed. How they tried to arrange personal happiness, they stole, squeezed each other, climbed up. And the army was just one big mockery of all this propaganda and ideology, but it was very effective in setting the brains of idealists.
          Someone was going to defend the USSR? Do not tell, I do not believe. People are not the same.
  • _my opinion
    _my opinion 30 March 2016 13: 11
    +14
    "The wind of life is sometimes fierce ...
    In general, life, however, is good ...
    And it’s not scary when brown bread,
    It's scary when a black soul ... "

    Omar Khayyam

    From the site http://www.inpearls.ru/
    ...nothing to say ...
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 30 March 2016 13: 43
      +9
      To wisely live life, you need to know a lot.
      Two important rules to remember for a start:
      You better starve, than what horrible there is,
      And it's better to be alone than with anyone.

      Omar Khayyam
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 March 2016 13: 12
    +5
    "Russia is a country with an unpredictable past"
    That is why you prove one thing, you dig quotes, and it bang. And it turns out different. So is Maximov.
    There were lines for meat, milk and vodka. But only when? To whom was it profitable? And here a memory failure and lies begins.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 March 2016 13: 12
    +20
    So this "cultural figure" long ago ranked himself among the so-called. opposition from the "handshake". There is nothing surprising in his statements. The loudest criticism of the USSR is those who at that time lived without problems, queues and with salaries much higher than the average, but in the 90s they realized which side they needed to take in order to continue living well as well.
    1. marl
      marl 30 March 2016 13: 45
      +23
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The loudest criticized by the USSR are those who at that time lived without problems

      Satanovsky said well, it was addressed to Nadezhdin, but it can also be applied to Maximov, kindly treated by the Soviet government and, nevertheless, despising it.
      "The country (USSR) fell apart because of idiots like me who voted for talkers like you."
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2016 13: 49
      +14
      Starving, poor Maximov. I could not get drunk even in the capital.
  • Knowing
    Knowing 30 March 2016 13: 15
    +3
    "Its own country, immense as a soul ..." We are like that... recourse request UNPREDICTABLE-SHOWER-HARD ...
    1. gla172
      gla172 30 March 2016 13: 26
      +20
      ___________---).
  • siberalt
    siberalt 30 March 2016 13: 16
    +1
    Author's article. But the word "captivates" sounds ambiguous. In context, this term means how to captivate with a certain charm. Otherwise, like taking prisoner or the desire to surrender there.
    Next, a set of fragments from the life of our recent past, as if the whole world was only better. And the conclusion about longing for the return of spirituality, or soulfulness. I remember my grandfather Andrei Mikhailovich, from the century before last, the birth, St. George Knight of the First World War. Do not be surprised, gentlemen. He, too, yearned for the same! It can be seen that we are all Russian, and this is our fate.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 30 March 2016 13: 17
    +16
    I was also born and raised in the USSR and I do not regret it,
    I was interested in living from birth to retirement and
    I didn’t run after "cyanotic chickens", I lived, and did not adapt.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 March 2016 15: 12
      -14%
      Quote: atamankko
      I was also born and raised in the USSR and I do not regret it,

      I'm sorry! I just saw how others live. You climb to everyone with your rotten misanthropic ideology, you try to teach how you SHOULD live, but you yourself do not live, but you exist! Would you plant, shoot, expel from the country - you yourself are worthy of this country? You rejoice when terrorists kill people, it is a shame to read the comments of subhumans who think they are "smart, conscientious and fair." How Igor Talkov sang -
      I do not presume to prophesy
      But I know for sure that I'll be back
      Even after a hundred centuries
      The country is not fools, but geniuses.
      And, defeated in battle
      I will rise and sing.
      On the first birthday
      Country returning from war.
      1. saber
        saber 30 March 2016 15: 51
        +5
        do not project your complexes on society
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 17
        +1
        As Igor Talkov sang -


        He sang well, but it doesn’t depend on us when we return from her. We didn’t start it, but we don’t have enough strength to finish it, just fight back. While you put one down, the other will be prepared.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 1 2016 08: 17
          -3
          Quote: alicante11
          Not we started it

          We are in 1917!
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 April 1 2016 13: 08
            +1
            And before the 17-th war was not? Napoleon, PMV, Crimean?
  • Woodcutter
    Woodcutter 30 March 2016 13: 20
    +6
    There was a great idea that came true with a bunch of excesses and mistakes. And they blame them for not understanding the main thing ...
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 30 March 2016 13: 21
    +19
    But have you forgotten the cry "Threw Chickens!" And the crowd that rushes after the bluish creatures? They forgot what a deficit is, when they did not buy anything, but did they get it? ..

    Maximov is blind. He does not see how homeless people rummage in garbage bins. How people lose apartments and throw themselves out on the street with their children. It was impossible to imagine in the USSR. And maybe he sees, but his belly to other people's sorrows is deaf. There were fewer products and less variety. but they were edible products of high quality, vodka is not poisoned, as it is now. We have not taken sausages for several years. Meat, lard, smoked meats - only on the market. In the store - inedible!
    And such as Maximov were in their place - in prison.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 13: 29
      +5
      Quote: EvgNik
      And such as Maximov were in their place - in prison.

      Such as Maximov were just in their places - in the editorial offices, district committees, ministries and so on. Or do you think that the whole vertical consisted of refined Leninists?
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 30 March 2016 14: 25
        +9
        Famous showman Andrei Maksimov (sitting on the backdrop in Zhvanetsky's TV program)

        Quote: Pinky F.
        Such as Maximov were just in their places - in editorial offices, district committees, ministries, etc.

        There were those who wrote articles about the greatness of the party at that time, now they are writing about the greatness of capitalism.
        And Maksimov is in prison, just like Solzhenitsin and other "dissidents" used to be.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 14: 31
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          And Maksimov is in prison, just like Solzhenitsin and other "dissidents" used to be.

          In the kitchens of half the country, the Soviet regime scolded. All the bunks needed?
          Quote: EvgNik
          There were those who wrote articles about the greatness of the party at that time, now they are writing about the greatness of capitalism.

          Magazines are corrupt in nature. What they ordered is what they write.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 41
            +7
            In the kitchens of half the country, the Soviet regime scolded. All the bunks needed?


            Yes, they did not scold the authorities, but the local authorities. It is clear that the trailer, and power, such as, for everything is responsible. And now, and not only in the kitchens are scolded. Even from the screens.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 15: 48
              +2
              Quote: alicante11
              Yes, they did not scold the authorities, but the local authorities.

              Apparently, we visited different kitchens.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 54
                +2
                Apparently, we visited different kitchens.


                Probably, I was five years old in my opinion, my parents told me that when Brezhnev died, I watched the funeral on TV and cried, "how are we going to be without a leader." How I had a presentiment of how it would all end.
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 09
                  -12%
                  Quote: alicante11
                  I think I was five years old ... when Brezhnev died, I watched the funeral on TV and cried, "how are we going to be without a leader."

                  dejected by the death of Brezhnev, a five-year-old child crying in front of the TV is, of course, a strong picture ...
                  Quote: alicante11
                  How I foresaw how it would all end.

                  five years? I wonder how? Images of Crocodile Genes and other characters?
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 29
                    +1
                    dejected by the death of Brezhnev, a five-year-old child crying in front of the TV is, of course, a strong picture ...


                    A five-year-old child cannot lie. I gave this as an illustration of "what was said in the kitchens."

                    five years? I wonder how? Images of Crocodile Genes and other characters?


                    I say - a hunch, probably.
                2. Bayonet
                  Bayonet April 1 2016 08: 20
                  -3
                  Quote: alicante11
                  I guess I was five years old, my parents told me when Brezhnev died, so I watched the funeral on TV and cried,

                  And I was 29 and I did not cry. Now it’s clear how you got such deep knowledge about life in the USSR - five years, laughing this is the age of the husband!
                  1. Vitwin
                    Vitwin April 1 2016 09: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    And I was 29 and I did not cry

                    Of course, I was younger - but I don’t remember the tears, I remembered no one but at the funeral when the coffin was dropped into the grave of Bahuli so that everyone jumped.
                    What exactly about that time - yes, the trees were big ...
    2. dogens
      dogens 30 March 2016 13: 52
      +8
      Quote: EvgNik
      But have you forgotten the cry "Threw Chickens!" And the crowd that rushes after the bluish creatures? They forgot what a deficit is, when they did not buy anything, but did they get it? ..

      Maximov is blind. He does not see how homeless people rummage in garbage bins. How people lose apartments and throw themselves out on the street with their children. It was impossible to imagine in the USSR. And maybe he sees, but his belly to other people's sorrows is deaf. There were fewer products and less variety. but they were edible products of high quality, vodka is not poisoned, as it is now. We have not taken sausages for several years. Meat, lard, smoked meats - only on the market. In the store - inedible!
      And such as Maximov were in their place - in prison.


      Most likely, if he stops writing like that, he will rummage along with the homeless.
  • saltickov.
    saltickov. 30 March 2016 13: 23
    +10
    Why lies, refrigerators were all full, and by the new year, and by the seventh
    November .This is already in the late 80's all specially hid to ruin the country.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 13: 35
      -12%
      Quote: saltickov.
      all the refrigerators were full

      memory is an insidious thing ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 March 2016 15: 00
        -16%
        Quote: Pinky F.
        memory is an insidious thing ...

        It seems to me that mainly hypocrites or fools gather here!
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 30 March 2016 15: 32
          +13
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: Pinky F.
          memory is an insidious thing ...

          It seems to me that mainly hypocrites or fools gather here!

          And who do you consider yourself to be? To hypocrites or fools?
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 30 March 2016 16: 11
            +2
            Quote: pv1005
            And who do you consider yourself to be? To hypocrites or fools?


            "Bayonet" does not need to strain
            Arshin common nefig measure
            The sharpest mind! a bayonet to match
            In "Bayonet" everyone can only believe! fellow
            laughing
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 18
            +2
            And who do you consider yourself to be? To hypocrites or fools?


            To the conscience of the site. Interestingly, the moderators also think so?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 31 March 2016 17: 23
              -1
              Quote: alicante11
              Interestingly, the moderators also think so?

              Oh, what a pity - there is no NKVD! Now a denunciation, a vigilant anonym! bully
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 April 1 2016 13: 12
                +1
                Oh, what a pity - there is no NKVD! Now a denunciation, a vigilant anonym!


                This is not a denunciation, but a statement of the fact of violation of the site rules. And the moderators are here. The NKVD is resting. For five minuses, they cut half of the rating and wrote out five warnings per hour. So, as you can see, "did not snitch"
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 1 2016 13: 17
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  moderators here. The NKVD is resting. Five minuses cut half the rating

                  Are you talking about this, apparently?

                  Quote: Site Rules
                  h) A purposeful methodical reduction of the opponent’s rating, i.e. multiple minus one user’s comments. Similar actions are easily traced by site administrators. Offender rating will be reduced by 50%
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 March 2016 18: 07
            -8
            Quote: pv1005

            And who do you consider yourself to be? To hypocrites or fools?

            I'm on the sidelines. And your moaning over the collapsed USSR is funny to me! hi
        2. saber
          saber 30 March 2016 15: 52
          +3
          either you are a former parasite complaining about life then what now
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 March 2016 20: 48
            -1
            Quote: Saber
            either you are a former parasite

            Yes, of course, parasite. Just 45 years of work experience.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 April 1 2016 13: 14
              +1
              You can work with your hands, you can with your head, or with your tongue, these are the last workers who are parasites.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 30 March 2016 13: 28
    +12
    There was one figure who returned from Vermont, who read a speech "living not by lies", and in addition advised "How can we arrange Russia." All the current demosher, entrenched in the media, these are his ideological followers. Until we remove these bugs, they will bite and stink. But you have to crush them!
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 30 March 2016 13: 28
    +4
    And this current unfruitful system for the gluttony of some, who were corroded like a wardrobe, and the poverty of others, has lost the main thing - the soul.
    Happiness is not in food, although one wants to eat regularly.
    1. An60
      An60 30 March 2016 13: 46
      +8
      wink “Don't make a cult out of food!” O. Bender.
    2. 0255
      0255 30 March 2016 15: 24
      -4
      Quote: x.andvlad
      And this current unfruitful system for the gluttony of some, who were corroded like a wardrobe, and the poverty of others, has lost the main thing - the soul.
      Happiness is not in food, although one wants to eat regularly.

      But people greeted Gorbachev and Yeltsin, hoping to live without a deficit, and now they are crying "which country is ** ali."
  • Turkir
    Turkir 30 March 2016 13: 32
    +14
    It should also be noted that such "maxims" and their relatives did not stand in line for any reason. But they just don't want to remember this. Still, it suddenly turns out that they were standing in lines in special departments for rations.
    They then did not live in poverty, however, as now, but they need even more, this .. "compassionate".
  • salavat
    salavat 30 March 2016 13: 42
    +14
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal guzzling, he had to be looked for

    Okay, tryndet, it was normal eating and did not have to search for it for a long time. It was devouring, but without frills - milk (normal by the way), dairy products, potatoes, pasta, meat, apples, pears, vegetables (though seasonal, but real and not plastic). I had five children in my family, my mother was a laboratory assistant at the factory, my father was a driver in a fire, there was enough food for all seven from the belly, and on holidays the tables were full of salads, pickles and other eating. They stood in lines, yes.
  • dogens
    dogens 30 March 2016 13: 46
    +6
    Bad Soviet ideologues for some reason confronted us with Christ - in the most precious way, fostered by previous history. But it was the Soviet people who were in direct harmony with his covenants - and not today's hypocrites and gluttons, heirs of Soviet careerists.


    I would remove the bad word in order to exclude the assessment of two clashing ideologies, which are not worth comparing ... But the author found me those words that I can’t find in conversation with different debaters. It was not necessary to eradicate faith after 17 years, it was necessary to eradicate the bourgeois inclinations of the priests, and leave the people normal priests who, with God's commandments, would bring people to instill in people a moral character that does not contradict communism in general terms.
    And now we are eradicating communism on new bones. All the time, damn it, we are struggling with our own history, tradition, and on this we are trying to leave for a brighter future .... Someone succeeds. Someone denouncing the USSR makes a name for himself, he bucks up capital. Just as someone today, the Russian Orthodox Church transferred to the category of a public organization, with a commercial bias ... And if they had not destroyed faith after 17, today would comers would not have made a brand out of the Orthodox religion. Let believers forgive me, but the shell of the Russian Orthodox Church and high people who consider themselves to be it, today has little to do with faith and religion ... and rather push the young generation away from traditional Orthodoxy, just as a democratic iPhone pays off from the Soviet past.
    I am so tormented by the question of why Soviet ideology and Orthodoxy could not find a compromise. And those and others in the basics instilled only pure morality. Church for world peace. Tips for international and friendship. Do not envy? so this is the main antipode to the west. There is nothing to look through the iron curtain, live your life. Do not steal, do not steal everywhere. Idols did not allow to create? here it was possible to find a compromise. Really such an instrument as religion, Soviet ideologists could not direct in the right direction. The goals coincided, which, incidentally, was rightly said by the author.

    Those who will again look for the good and the bad in our past should take note that Orthodoxy, and imperial Russia, and Soviet, and the new Russia, are all our self-identification ... what the classics wrote about as a Russian spirit, Russian soul. And attempts to eradicate this, sooner or later by the common people, will be evaluated negatively. Therefore, it’s better not to try to eradicate this, but to direct towards the good.
    1. 0255
      0255 30 March 2016 15: 30
      -1
      I agree with you. Many believers greeted the "perestroika", including for the promise of the revival of the church.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 30 March 2016 17: 38
      +1
      Attacks on the church again began Khrushchev. That's to prevent this figure from taking, everyone turned into a der. Antimidas, however.
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 30 March 2016 13: 47
    +9
    If you carefully read the article, then the cornerstone word describing food in the USSR is of course "quality". You can describe to me all 200 or 300 varieties of sausages that exist today or state that many products that were rarely purchased during the USSR and on occasion now lie quietly on the shelves, but this does not impress me. I even think that it has its negative sides. Man, a fallen creature with a tendency to bad habits. And the constant presence of harmful food, leading to obesity and diabetes, only provokes him to take the wrong steps. Having received all these cherished 300 varieties of sausage, I now buy mostly the same variety, which was produced in the USSR. The quality of the food is now disgusting and oversight is almost invisible. Under the USSR, there was no need to consider the manufacturer of the product and carefully study the composition. With rare exceptions, the food was of high quality and delicious. All this current abundance, especially with a sedentary lifestyle, is a mockery of man over his nature and the source of numerous diseases, which will still greatly backfire on us in the future.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 30 March 2016 14: 32
      +9
      Quote: XYZ
      With rare exceptions, the food was quality and tasty.

      One has only to compare the meat stew (then and now), but now I would be glad to have a "tourist's breakfast"!
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 30 March 2016 13: 57
    +8
    Everything is relative. Now you can only understand what they had and what they lost.
  • akudr48
    akudr48 30 March 2016 14: 08
    +14
    Maximov and other kuroyedy did not suffer even then, but now, having seized upon the gentleman's lackey, they are trying their best to confirm their status as worthy bastards at the power table, ready (now not for chickens), and for parmesan, not only to swallow chickens, but to gobble up with feathers and those who are against today's crooks and thieves.

    By the way, then hens for 1p.90 kopecks. were chickens, without these growth accelerators and other genetically modernized poison. And the Maximovs then outwardly were still people, eating quite healthy chickens ...
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 March 2016 14: 26
    +15
    Quote: poquello
    there was no normal guzzling, he had to be looked for


    this is now no normal "guzzle" and you need to not only look for him but also look for money for him in a leaky family budget.
    If in Soviet times the composition of the product included as much shit as it is now, then Soviet regiments would literally burst with guzzle.
    Literally for an example:
    according to the Soviet GOST 23670-79, the Doktorskaya sausage should contain at least 95% of meat (25% of the highest grade beef and 75% of trimmed semi-fat pork), and according to the modern Russian GOST R 52196-2011, the Doktorskaya sausage should not contain less than 13% protein (you can put any meat from chicken to pork skins).

    As you understand, if in the Soviet "Doktorskaya" there were only 13% do not understand what kind of meat instead of 95% of high-quality meat, then the USSR would not only have filled up all the counters with it even in a well-groomed general store, but would also have exported it.

    So there is less and less normal guzzling and more people who don’t know how to read labels.
    1. orphan 63
      orphan 63 30 March 2016 22: 35
      +4
      Quote: lopvlad
      according to the Soviet GOST 23670-79, the Doktorskaya sausage should contain at least 95% of meat (25% of the highest grade beef and 75% of trimmed semi-fat pork), and according to the modern Russian GOST R 52196-2011, the Doktorskaya sausage should not contain less than 13% protein (you can put any meat from chicken to pork skins).

      For me, Doctor's sausage is like a memory of a happy childhood. My favorite person is my grandfather, he loved to have a boiled doctor's meal for breakfast before work, instead of sausages and sausages. And if I managed to wake up early, then there was a holiday - breakfast together. Doctor's sausage and a quiet heart-to-heart talk about everything while everyone else is sleeping ....
      Somehow nostalgia tortured me, and the devil tugged at me to boil what is now regarded as the Doctor's sausage belay If you describe the results of this experiment without a mat, then it turns out as in the "Barge" by Zhvanetsky lol A pinkish and neat piece of sausage .. uh .. I couldn’t do it at all and shed it too .. uh .. well, very much repeat
      The first test did not pass the doctoral pseudo-sausage produced in Dymov, not the cheapest. Bottom line - a piece of something obscene floated in sulfur-boraline boiling water of an incomprehensible color and an indescribable shape am
      Other Velkomovskaya’s turned out to be no better,
      Ostankino, Mikoyanovskaya, Cherkizovskaya, etc., etc.
      Attempts to find the Normal Doctoral success so far have not been crowned.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 31 March 2016 00: 33
        +3
        Attempts to find the Normal Doctoral success so far have not been crowned.

        just good doctors are over! laughing I remember the holiday when Pepsi-Cola managed to buy! Now I want a Soviet Pinocchio ... or soda with real syrup winked I don’t want to talk about ice cream. Even this delicacy managed to fill with all sorts of rubbish! Our chocolate was ruined - in the 80s a brother of an acquaintance from America wrote that our chocolate is appreciated there. So the abundance of rubbish on the shelves is not the abundance of food hi
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 31 March 2016 00: 36
          +2
          Quote: Yuyuka
          Our chocolate is ruined

          Chocolate?!
          They ruined their whole lives !!! and everything else is secondary, as it is being heated, to heaps.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 31 March 2016 11: 26
            +1
            Chocolate?!
            They ruined their whole lives !!! and everything else is secondary, as it is being heated, to heaps.


            at this stage, our life is secondary for them ... but chocolate is more important - it’s profit, but all the troubles from us are all dissatisfied with something, are you allowed to breathe?
    2. ruskih
      ruskih 31 March 2016 09: 16
      +2
      You are right, most have no idea what a sausage is made in accordance with GOST and what is today according to TU.
  • Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 30 March 2016 14: 28
    +1
    Better than Mikhail Kalinkin sang, you will not tell !!!!
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 March 2016 14: 37
    +16
    "But you forgot the cry," Throw out the chickens! " and the crowd that rushes after the bluish creatures? Have you forgotten what a deficit is, when you didn't buy anything, but got everything ?.
    This statement confirms that a coup was prepared in the USSR.
    I recall the Soviet era, I didn’t have a pull, but I never had a flea market, however, I wore mostly imported shoes, in general there were good Yugoslav goods — clothes, knitwear, and shoes.
    Of course, I was lucky, I worked at an enterprise that produced best-selling products, where competent specialists were at the head of the team, and all conditions for recreation, treatment, and further training were created for the employees of the enterprise. And when problems with products were identified, a subsidiary farm appeared at the enterprise, which solved the issues of nutrition. The company has developed dynamically. This is me because it was by no means the only enterprise. Of course, after the arrival of Effective Managers, the enterprise was destroyed.
    And now about modern food. You go to the store, there is a choice, there is nothing to buy.
    Chickens are small but heavy, with a perforated skin, stuffed with preservatives, at best water, the broth from such a chicken is simply dangerous.
    In the USSR they laughed at pollock, not counting it as a food product, and now I would love to fry fresh-frozen pollock, it’s useful for metabolism, but the word fresh does not apply to fish products - I choose freshness, I can not suspect freshness often, at least 1/3 of the purchased fish does not become a dish: when cooking, a spoiled abdomen is found, the fish lags behind the bones - you do not want to poison the family, therefore, in the trash.
    About meat, in the 90s we just survived, we could only afford cheap- Bush legs, minced meat with added soy. The result of such nutrition is a poor blood count in children. I have something to compare. no euphoria is necessary now, of all 50 varieties of sausages, it is very difficult to find without soy, sweets without palm oil, etc.
    And what about salary-to-salary on a certain day, as it was in the USSR, practically no one expects, if only they would pay, even with a delay. Now the timeliness of salary payments has begun to be controlled, but the principle of promise does not mean to pay, especially in trading companies.
    She wrote about how tens of millions of Russians, state employees, pensioners, families with children live.
    Liberal power is nothing to boast about.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 14: 43
      -5
      Quote: olimpiada15
      fresh-frozen pollock, useful for metabolism, but the word fresh does not apply to fish products

      and the freezing of Soviet pollock was radically different from the modern one?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 48
        +10
        and the freezing of Soviet pollock was radically different from the modern one?


        I am begging you. In the Far East we fed cats. And now in Khabarovsk the problem is to buy normal red fish. Or trout with salmon, by the way, also thawed, or, probably, five-year-old pink salmon according to 10 times thawed and frozen. And it is on the Amur! I'm not talking about Kaluga ...
      2. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 30 March 2016 15: 50
        0
        The freezing did not differ, but now, before getting to the counter, many products are thawed several times, which spoils them. Then they are laid out on the counter as freshly frozen.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 15: 59
          -6
          Quote: olimpiada15
          but now, before getting on the counter, many products are thawed several times, which spoils them.

          Yes, of course - Soviet trade was an impeccable institution. And the technology of storage was respected, and was polite with customers was, to weigh or cheat - no, no.
          It’s not worthwhile, I think, to replace the Soviet realities with a made-up popular print. Read some matches - lived in different states.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 32
            +6

            Yes, of course - Soviet trade was an impeccable institution. And the technology of storage was respected, and was polite with customers was, to weigh or cheat - no, no.


            Why do you think so? You are not told about this, there objectively it would not have been possible to freeze how many times, would have been dismantled earlier.

            It’s not worthwhile, I think, to replace the Soviet realities with a made-up popular print. Read some matches - lived in different states.


            But do not even pour mud.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 53
              -1
              Quote: alicante11
              there, objectively, it would not be possible to freeze how many times, they would have dismantled it earlier.

              no. "Holding on to the goods" applied to everything, without exception, to fish too. And tukhlinka was not uncommon.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 30 March 2016 17: 18
                0
                no. "Holding on to the goods" applied to everything, without exception, to fish too. And tukhlinka was not uncommon.


                They "held" - for their own people and for the clever ones who came in from the back. Apparently, it took too long :). What's the point of "holding"? After all, you still can't make money on it.
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 21: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: alicante11
                  What's the point of "holding"? After all, you still can't make money on it.

                  huh?
          2. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 30 March 2016 16: 37
            +6
            "Yes, of course, Soviet trade was an impeccable institution. She adhered to the storage technology and was polite with customers, to weigh or short-circuit - no, no."
            Do not distort, the service culture was low, but they were afraid to poison people. It used to be strict. SES worked well. This is now Consumer Supervision, took a sample and eat the citizens, the goods go to the distribution network. It is necessary to press the supplier, the magazine was flipped through, all the violations were found and presented as yesterday, they discussed on the site why it is detected at the right time? Yes, because no one cares about the results of the analysis;
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 17: 04
              0
              Quote: olimpiada15
              It used to be strict. SES worked well.

              my grandmother served in the regional SES. I can attest (according to her stories) that the attitude to her business (in particular, which was touched on) was not comparable with the current one. In this I completely agree with you. Well, the generation of doctors could not, who restored the medical institute destroyed by the war during the day, and in the evening that same granite gnawed, looked like modern ones (with all due respect to our doctors!)
              Yes, any permissive instance was and remains a bribe - you can not get away, but the current sabbath of officials with the Soviet "take stealthily" cannot be compared. I also agree here - it's obvious ((
          3. EvgNik
            EvgNik 30 March 2016 17: 02
            +4
            Quote: Pinky F.
            Yes, of course - Soviet trade was an impeccable institution. And the technology of storage was respected, and was polite with customers was, to weigh or cheat - no, no.

            Of course not. There were body kits (and now they aren’t?), And sellers were rude (now very rarely - the struggle for each buyer), storage technology - do not tell, the goods did not lie down (and now they say that they lived poorly, although there were a lot of large families , maternal capital was not paid, but no one died of hunger). And milk, sour cream was diluted in stores. But they planted it for that.
            And they lived together, cheerfully. The school did not close until the evening. The gym is constantly busy. We built our own volleyball courts, there were enough football fields for everyone (and there were a lot of them). Our house had its own pool table. Small, but where do you find free now? In the summer they put on the street, everyone was playing.
      3. Wheel
        Wheel 30 March 2016 16: 44
        +3
        Quote: Pinky F.
        Quote: olimpiada15
        fresh-frozen pollock, useful for metabolism, but the word fresh does not apply to fish products

        and the freezing of Soviet pollock was radically different from the modern one?

        I am almost sure that the freezing in the catch areas has not changed in comparison with Soviet times.
        But what goes on sale has changed dramatically.
        If now buy a kilogram of pollock and thaw it, then as a result we get a glass of water and 750 g of fish.
        And, as a result, the flesh is not elastic, fibrous, tasteless.
        Elementary re-freezing for profit.
    2. Satellite
      Satellite 30 March 2016 16: 26
      +7
      I will support regarding the coup in the USSR, more than once similar thoughts appeared. Such a system did not fall down overnight, everyone did for a long time and methodically starting with Khrushchev. Well, it’s so - casually.
      I completely agree with the author of the article in the USSR, life was much better and cleaner than in real Russia. These are not only good memories. bad things were forgotten, it was much easier to live, there were no worries about tomorrow, no one was worried about the chickens $, no one could have thought that they would increase the price of gasoline that our country produces, that you would have to pay for parking a car at home money that our old people will puzzle how to live on what officials call a pension. In the USSR, there were also disadvantages in the form of a shortage of products and goods of light industry, but no one was fluffy from hunger, yes, it was not just that I had to find a loaf of salt or imported chicken, but everything else was rampart, hake, pollock, cod, perch, halibut cost a penny now it’s a delicacy. All schools, circles, pioneer camps, kindergartens, sanatoriums and rest homes were essentially nothing for nothing, with excellent food and service, medicine was free with a shortage of imported drugs, but the level was higher than now. If they would have proposed it back to the USSR, without hesitation, refused everything that had been acquired, a car, a country house, a normal salary ... and rushed into the past, in fact, a very calm, bright life, albeit with its own shortcomings.
  • Mestny
    Mestny 30 March 2016 14: 40
    +6
    Quote: poquello
    if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, he had to be looked for

    The article is about this. About those who need more tasty "ate", and about others who need an idea and a goal.
    As Kurginyan, whom I disliked, said, they exchanged birthright for lentil stew.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 14: 47
      -9
      Quote: Mestny
      who needs an idea and purpose

      on empty stomach?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 March 2016 15: 49
        +6
        on empty stomach?


        On well-fed, but not overfed.
    2. poquello
      poquello 30 March 2016 15: 29
      -9
      Quote: Mestny
      Quote: poquello
      if there were problems, then they were, there wasn’t a normal guzzler, he had to be looked for

      The article is about this. About those who need more tasty "ate", and about others who need an idea and a goal.
      As Kurginyan, whom I disliked, said, they exchanged birthright for lentil stew.

      So why then tell how good it was in the USSR, in the USSR there were problems with good food, clothes, household appliances, people ran, searched, learned to break through the crowd, get out of turn, got acquainted in the queues, gained a collective mind, developed philosophical thinking sitting on collective farm beds, rallied into one large Soviet collective
      1. saber
        saber 30 March 2016 15: 55
        +3
        in the USSR there were problems with the products, because they were GOOD. and therefore the problems were with household appliances, is there a Soviet TV on the cottage?
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 16: 19
          -5
          Quote: Saber
          in the USSR there were problems with the products because they were GOOD

          logic is resting ...
          Quote: Saber
          and so the problems were with household appliances, is there still a Soviet TV on the cottage?

          no. And there are no Zhiguli in the garage. And there is no washing machine "Riga-60".
          Alas me!
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 34
            +5
            logic is resting ...


            The logic is just "norms". If there are no groceries in the store, but there is at home, then they are simply quickly snapped up. Because EVERYONE will not be able to "get" EVERYTHING. And if there is food at home, then there are enough of them, and if there are no products in the store, then it is available. Unlike now.
          2. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 30 March 2016 20: 03
            +1
            Quote: Pinky F.
            no. And there are no Zhiguli in the garage. And there is no washing machine "Riga-60".
            Alas me!

            as I understand it, the minuses poked for the fact that I do not have this rare Soviet junk? Who is the one who got sick of id ... zma? Seem at least ...
        2. poquello
          poquello 30 March 2016 17: 03
          0
          Quote: Saber
          in the USSR there were problems with the products, because they were GOOD. and therefore the problems were with household appliances, is there a Soviet TV on the cottage?

          ))))) sorry, the words are over
          Brezhnev and Nixon take a helicopter ride over the working suburbs of Moscow. Nixon sees the barracks with television antennas and says:
          - You surpassed us! We do not have TVs in our pigsties yet!

          http://www.anekdotbest.ru/anekdot/breznev/page5.html
          1. saber
            saber 30 March 2016 19: 29
            +1
            and I apologize to your teachers as well, God be your judge ... didn’t you know the well-known reception by the cook in the canteen - to hold the pasta in the water longer? good quality?)))) but there is enough pasta for everyone and still remains!
  • hobot
    hobot 30 March 2016 14: 56
    +1
    Every family has its black sheep...
  • Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 30 March 2016 15: 06
    +9
    I don’t know anyone who would die of hunger during the years of Soviet power ... In the days of the wars it was, but where are they not now in the days of the wars? Confidence in tomorrow, peace and quiet life, walked quietly down a deserted street at night without fear ... How could my parents put on their modest wages, put on shoes and give higher education to all of us - me and my brothers, if not for the Soviet era ? Solzhenitsyn and other authors who wanted to read, found and read, stood in line at bookstores at night to sign up for some Collected Works. And what? It was even interesting, romance ... These were my best years ... Would go back there ...
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 30 March 2016 15: 11
    +4
    Let's go back to the article, not how much sausage cost and how much meat was there. And the main thing in the USSR was, in my opinion, confidence in the future.
  • Dean
    Dean 30 March 2016 15: 36
    +11
    I want to give the link http://kramtp.info/news/64/full/id=5944;
    the opinion and impression of the American pilot who flew to the USSR about life and Soviet reality. I don’t know, maybe this is not true (the article is in the sense), but I am familiar with a couple of people of foreign origin whose opinion completely coincides with what is written.
    Short excerpt for those who do not like to follow the links ..
    - First impression - I was surprised how poor you live. The shops are half empty, plain clothes ... And then he settled down, took a closer look. And again I was surprised - how rich you live, just in luxury! I served and lived a lot where I could compare. Here in the Philippines or in Thailand. Yes, there shops were bursting with goods. And the children swelled from hunger, begging in the streets. I realized: because you had empty shops because all the goods were available and quickly sold out. You could afford it. It seems that you then ate in every family real meat and natural butter. At least the children could feed it. Your children are not starving! It's a luxury, you just got used to it and didn't notice it. If you are seriously ill, then you just call a doctor at home and don’t think how you will pay the bills later. And this is even by American standards a luxury. Paid vacation as much as 4 weeks a year. And this is the smallest 4, but someone has more. In America, even 3 weeks was considered a luxury, such a great vacation attracted especially valuable workers ... A lot of things were surprising then, you can talk for a long time. Anyway, now everything is different ... Yes, I was still surprised what kind of relations between people are here in Russia. Or in Ukraine, no difference. The people here, like everywhere else, are good and bad, but there is something that I haven’t noticed anywhere else ......
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 30 March 2016 16: 20
      +3