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What thunders the Ukrainian army in the exercises "Spring Thunder - 2016"?

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The press service of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eve spread the message that command and staff exercises were launched under the common name "Spring Thunder - 2016". The exercises were announced under the following “slogan”: “the next stage of preparation of the Ukrainian units and formations for the enemy’s possible invasion” and “adequate response to external threats”.


Again, we are dealing with a typical Maidan logic. According to this "logic", the Ukrainian army is only preparing for the "invasion of the enemy", given the fact that, according to numerous statements by representatives of the command of this same army, "the enemy invasion has already taken place." If the “invasion has already taken place”, then what, I'm sorry, why the hell did they prepare for it? If there is no “invasion”, but it is only expected, then this is another fact that the statements of the Ukrainian “river men (speakers) of the ATO” are worthless. A fact of hundreds ...

Apparently, in Ukraine itself, such "logical" fortifications of command no longer raise questions. It is said - “they are preparing for an invasion in the presence of an invasion,” which means that it is so ...

What thunders the Ukrainian army in the exercises "Spring Thunder - 2016"?


If you try to delve into the Maidan logic of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense (which, as you understand, is unsafe for mental health), you can find out the interesting nuances of the exercises held in the territory of the fallow. The fact is that “preparation for the invasion” is only a bright (almost “Roshenovka” wrapper), and under the wrapper is an attempt to demonstrate to NATO curators, who are present during Ukrainian maneuvers in abundance, that the Ukrainian armed forces are moving to the North Atlantic military standards. Artillery mounts, armored vehicles, unmanned aerial vehicles are involved in military exercises.

From the statement of the official representative press service Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:
An important feature of military exercises is the holding of all activities in the new organizational and staff structures adapted to NATO standards, to which the country's armed forces are moving during the reform.


Special attention during the exercise, as stated in the press service, will be paid to issues of territorial defense and the movement of troops.

It is worth recalling that, earlier, after numerous attempts to understand the reasons for the defeat of the army near Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, the Ukrainian command came to the conclusion that the main reason lies in the low mobility of the units. If you translate from the language of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to a human, then the Ukrainian army could resist if reinforcements arrived in time. But reinforcements did not come up somewhere due to the late receipt of the order (orders slowed down somewhere in Kiev’s saunas, filmed by the generals ...), somewhere due to frank attempts to ignore orders. After all, in the Ukrainian media, boilers were proudly called “bridgeheads,” but the Ukrainian military saw with their own eyes that it was only to add new “meat” to the boilers to keep up with such “beachheads”.

Now, the overseas curators, apparently, decided to train the Ukrainian military on how to quickly and effectively transfer individual units to the areas from which the most tangible threat is coming. In general, “Spring Thunder - 2016” can be called exercises with the basic idea “What should I do to avoid getting bogged down like at Ilovaisk and Debaltseve?” The idea for the Ukrainian army, of course, matured, if not overripe, but one thing to go “to NATO standards ”in press releases of the Defense Ministry, and it’s one thing to get instructions from American instructors, and it’s quite another to put all this into practice.

In practice, for the time being, the Ukrainian troops are all the same: а) fitting to the contact line of military equipment in violation of the Minsk agreements, which had already ordered a long life (on Avdeevka the day before, Kiev transferred several more tanks), b) shelling from various types of weapons on the territory of the DPR (the most intense shelling in the Yasinovataya area) with obvious provocation of the army of the People’s Republic on active actions. In principle, there is no tactic, no strategy is visible either - stupid watering with mines and shells of various calibers and Maidan Facebook on Facebook. - It's all...

It is clear that looking at such things, even overseas curators in the lexicon end literary and non-literary words. That is why overseas curators make another attempt to teach the Ukrainian army coherence (not from the word “screw it up”). The next format is “Spring Thunder-2016”, as a result of which the Pentagon apparently hopes to get those military formations that will be really ready to adhere to precise tactical schemes, allowing not just to spend ammunition and not just catching the “lead” response.

And after all, the persistence of the American "friends of Ukraine" can be envied ... In many ways, this persistence in trying to train the Ukrainian army in military affairs is reminiscent of attempts to do the same with the Georgian army in 2007-2008. And, if truth be told, then both South Ossetia and now DNR and LC are lucky that Pentagon students in shoulder straps with big stars are much more concerned about personal enrichment with funds allocated for training rather than full-fledged training while working out tactical schemes by personnel.

Apparently, in order to demonstrate to overseas curators that “the process has begun,” the president of Ukraine, being in the “ATO zone”, announced the appointment of a new commander of the Land Forces of Ukraine. They became Lieutenant-General Sergey Popko. Of particular note are the words of the president of the fallow region addressed to the general.



From the statement Poroshenko:
Please remember that it is you who have threefold responsibility for the fate of the country, for the effective use of subordinate troops to defend the Motherland, for the life of every soldier, every citizen of our state.


Why does this responsibility lie “exactly” on Popko, and not on the supreme commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Mr. Poroshenko? - Mr. Poroshenko did not explain to Lieutenant-General Popko, nor to the leadership of the Control Center "in the ATO zone", to whom the general was ...

In general, judging by the Ukrainian doctrines that started against the change in leading military circles, it can be stated that there is no question of any (even hypothetical) peace process in the Donbass from Kiev. Kiev has a desire to curry favor with NATO, to show that Ukraine deserves to be another member of this military bloc. What acts can be entrusted to such a member? - while NATO's "partners" of Ukraine are scratching their heads, calling on the Ukrainian army to rattle something at least on the "Spring thunder - 2016" ...
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 29 March 2016 05: 59
    +46
    That's right! Simultaneously with Russia in the Donbas, they are fighting and conducting exercises in case of Russia's invasion! I'm sweating with them!
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 29 March 2016 06: 51
      +54
      And I’m bitter, men. On the other hand, people like us are the same. We could go to some schools, universities. We watched some films, celebrated the same holidays together. And now they passionately want to kill me ... Propaganda has done its job. Western information technology in all its glory. Here (on the field of information warfare in Ukraine) the mattresses won dry. Even the ancients said, divide and conquer. There is such a wild informational pressure that even the generation of the USSR believes all that nonsense that pours on them from all sides. What can we say about young people who know from childhood that Russia is an aggressor and other nonsense.
      All this can be cured by large bloodletting, hunger, poverty. But I feel sorry for them. But volunteer units and those who bombard peaceful cities to destroy without mercy and statute of limitations.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 29 March 2016 08: 15
        +16
        Quote: Mitek
        And I’m bitter, men. On the other hand, people like us are the same. We could go to some schools, universities. We watched some films, celebrated the same holidays together. And now they passionately want to kill me ... Propaganda has done its job. Western information technology in all its glory. Here (on the field of information warfare in Ukraine) the mattresses won dry. Even the ancients said, divide and conquer. There is such a wild informational pressure that even the generation of the USSR believes all that nonsense that pours on them from all sides. What can we say about young people who know from childhood that Russia is an aggressor and other nonsense.
        All this can be cured by large bloodletting, hunger, poverty. But I feel sorry for them. But volunteer units and those who bombard peaceful cities to destroy without mercy and statute of limitations.

        I do not agree with you.
        First fools are much smaller, many junta across the throat.

        About pressure ... lack of desire to think and act independently. Nobody can take away the right to think, and nobody turned off the Internet. However, how wonderful it is when others decide for you. Again, the pack is not so scary. The main thing is to be like everyone else. Another puppeteer will come tomorrow; they will blindly repeat everything after him. So that everyone.

        Who is smarter already dumped. And poverty and bloodletting can not be cured. Is it worth it? Medicine is expensive. We have - the Far East, Siberia, they say that in order to develop the population normally it is necessary to relocate closer to the sources of raw materials, there are so many problems. And we must treat the kaklov. Oh well them.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 29 March 2016 08: 54
          +15
          Yes, it is not clear ... how the earth will dry out on the offensive will go. There are no rest for the Kostryulegolov maydauns. Only a war can save the incapable government of Svidomo fascists.

          The IMF Ukraine with the new loans was frustrated, Juncker and Co. just didn’t respond to any encroachments of Ukraine in the EU. The Dutch are completely using European referendum to finish off European integrators and their Mrii. The EU’s markets haven’t opened. quietly half a voice said that since December 25 Ukraine is actually bankrupt.

          After the loss of the Crimea, Ukraine lost military significance for NATO and the United States.
          Ie as it was said, no one will feed Svidomo on the ball. Yes, and not a week goes by, so that a new article in a landmark Western edition does not come out about corruption in the government of Ukraine, which cannot be anything without stealing. And with every new article irritated by the junta More.


          Interestingly, in the prism of geopolitics, the value of Ukraine came down to
          value in the world of Somalia. Like there, and there seems to be no such state.

          fellow

          And there is a feeling that patience in the government of the Russian Federation is ending .... for Putin spoke very carefully about the problems of the Russian business in Ukraine, which has already hesitated to fight off the strayed Maydauns.
          He said - I would recommend you to suffer some more.

          1. Lelek
            Lelek 29 March 2016 09: 24
            +5
            Quote: Sid.74
            After the loss of the Crimea, Ukraine lost military significance for NATO and the United States.


            It seems that you are mistaken. A bridgehead called "the former Ukraine" is very attractive for NATO strategists. True, the unpredictability and idiocy of the Kiev "Huns" frightens even the scumbag of Stoltenberg, but you can't do anything for the sake of billions in subsidies. Well, even the last drunken homeless person has no doubts about the state of mind of the current "hetman". Here is his last project:
            (cry.)
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 29 March 2016 09: 46
              +7
              Quote: Lelek
              It seems that you are mistaken. A bridgehead called "the former Ukraine" is very attractive for NATO strategists.

              How to say .... there are no fools to die for Ukraine ... the same NATO will have to work hard to first gather NATO fighters into fists and relocate to the territory of Ukraine, which is also a problem, considering that they are several Thousands of people are preparing for almost half a year. Public opinion in the EU is against military confrontation with Russia. And the pro-Washington governments of Germany and France will simply be thrown out next year.

              But Stoltenberg is a talking hysterical ... just like Breedlove. And after Trump's statements, I believe that substantial circles in America seem to understand that the main problem for NATO is the size of the organization where it is impossible to observe the interests of the participants and come to a consensus.
              Well, at the same time it is impossible for Germany to fight with Russia and buy gas from it.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 29 March 2016 10: 45
                +6
                Quote: Sid.74
                .A pro-government of Germany and France next year simply thrown out.


                Well, others will come. Do you think the NSA will not have any compromising evidence on them to clamp their Faberge in the doorway? As for the beachhead: it is not necessary to immediately fight, but to establish our own missile defense systems, to pollinate Russian fields with GMO cereals (which, by the way, is already being successfully implemented by sowing GMO cereals on the former Ukrainian, and now American, purchased lands on the border with Russia), incite Bandera dogs and Dzhemilev scumbags for terrorist acts in the Russian borderland (which is also being done), install their own "jammers right on the Russian border. What's not enough? And the placement of burial grounds of EU and US nuclear weapons in the Chernobyl region, how is it?"
                1. Sergey-8848
                  Sergey-8848 29 March 2016 23: 42
                  +2
                  And all sorts of filthy weeds must be torn with roots, because there will be no harvest. This is an offer to increase productivity.
            2. Egoza
              Egoza 29 March 2016 10: 00
              +7
              “To charge a fee for flying over the territory of Ukraine of the orbiting spacecraft of Russia. In case of refusal of payment, to seize this property and destroy it as smuggling ”.

              And if vice versa, Russia will begin to charge a fee for the passage of Ukrosputnik? tongue wassat bully
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              3. Lelek
                Lelek 29 March 2016 10: 55
                +10
                Quote: Egoza
                And if vice versa, Russia will begin to charge a fee for the passage of Ukrosputnik?


                Hey.
                And how many Ukrainian satellites are there in orbits? It seems that it is minuscule in comparison with ours. But the point is not in the quantities, but in the delusional thoughts of Mr. Waltzman (here "Mr." is not an abbreviation for "master", but something else). With the same success, he could have introduced a duty on transit winds from western directions. How do you like this proposal?
                1. Bacha
                  Bacha 29 March 2016 11: 59
                  +31
                  Well, something like this)))
            3. Shark Lover
              Shark Lover 29 March 2016 11: 13
              +7
              About, the so-called ATO. Agree, it’s one thing to throw iron like in tennis at each other, another thing is to conduct full-blown databases with the army of the Russian Federation. These are completely different things, no offense to the guys of Donbass. In Syria, how much they provoke and which countries, all the same, they still do not climb into a full-blown war, they are squabbling. Not so much because fear, just a full batch will get everyone and yet, all sorts of .... nameplates and .... fellers, they don’t see how to eat fish and cut dough on this. So far it turns out that they will rake everything, the GDP from the ATS has shown not in vain opportunity, even in a local conflict. Remember the GDP, so, incidentally, said in an interview, not verbatim, but the essence; If Stalin had nuclear weapons in the 41st year, would he use it? I understood the hint, I think everything, although I tied it correctly, to Hiroshima and Am. Banderlog is easier to sit in thoughts and easy chairs than in caches and forests, genetic memory will work. Therefore, just like all my life, they rush around, who would have to join a feeder for free. The danger is that someone in the state of habitual dibilism or alcoholism does not shy away somewhere in the direction of Rostov, they will have to answer.
      2. baudolino
        baudolino 29 March 2016 08: 59
        +22
        And for me, everyone who came to the Donbass with the war, who fire at me and my city, are fighting pi *** si. Everything from the Minister of Defense to the last private. Because the use of the army to suppress anything on its territory, at least, is contrary to the laws of the BU.
        And I hope everyone will be rewarded.
        1. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 29 March 2016 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: baudolino
          And for me, everyone who came to the Donbass with the war, who fire at me and my city, are fighting pi *** si. Everything from the Minister of Defense to the last private. Because the use of the army to suppress anything on its territory, at least, is contrary to the laws of the BU.
          And I hope everyone will be rewarded.

          Orders are given by specific people. What do you endure in power of people who send you to shell and bomb cities and villages in the Donbass?
        2. Ivan Burygin
          Ivan Burygin 30 March 2016 00: 26
          +2
          You're wrong. Those who fire are just paedics. They are up to the Spartans (namely, fighting pi ... owls) as before China with cancer ...
      3. GYGOLA
        GYGOLA 29 March 2016 11: 29
        +2
        Sergey Popko
        and the Smelly Wind gang. Well, is it thundering?
      4. Appraiser
        Appraiser 29 March 2016 12: 14
        +4
        A quote from the line "... All of this can be cured by great bloodletting, hunger, poverty." Unfortunately, according to medicine, a disease such as "Schizophrenia" cannot be treated. And during the period of independence, very many Ukrainians fell ill with this virus. smile
      5. dogens
        dogens 30 March 2016 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: Mitek
        And I’m bitter, men. On the other hand, people like us are the same. We could go to some schools, universities. We watched some films, celebrated the same holidays together. And now they passionately want to kill me ... Propaganda has done its job. Western information technology in all its glory. Here (on the field of information warfare in Ukraine) the mattresses won dry. Even the ancients said, divide and conquer. There is such a wild informational pressure that even the generation of the USSR believes all that nonsense that pours on them from all sides. What can we say about young people who know from childhood that Russia is an aggressor and other nonsense.
        All this can be cured by large bloodletting, hunger, poverty. But I feel sorry for them. But volunteer units and those who bombard peaceful cities to destroy without mercy and statute of limitations.


        Therefore, everything is bitter about everything. I do not think that at least some of the people who care for the Russian Federation in the vastness of the VO will not share bitterness with you. However, the fact that the politicians quarreled between us, the United States and Nato got into this one thing, and the fact that we ourselves must decide every day how to relate to whom, whom to consider our brother, and who our enemy is, is another. They make this choice every day themselves, examples of thousands, hundreds of reasons. We also make this choice every day, examples of thousands, hundreds of reasons. Why grieve if both they and we all obeyed and are involved in political games. And everyone made a choice. And neither they nor we are going to correct anything.
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 29 March 2016 10: 07
      +6
      And what else to expect from Commander Butt. Let his soldiers laugh. laughing Now their battle cry "Let's die for the ass"!
      1. Pavel Tsybai
        Pavel Tsybai 29 March 2016 12: 40
        +29
        In principle, there is nothing to add.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 29 March 2016 06: 30
    +5
    What acts can be entrusted to such a member?... Punitive ... succeeded ..
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 29 March 2016 07: 15
      +10
      Quote: parusnik
      What acts can be entrusted to such a member?... Punitive ... succeeded ..

      US CIA: Ukraine sank to the bottom

      The CIA directory of the United States called The World Factbook 2015 provides scandalous data on the true situation in Ukraine over the past year. As it turns out, the former republic of the USSR ranks second in the world among endangered countries. Above the list is only the African state of Lesotho, and even then with a margin of a hundredth of a percent. And in terms of inflation, Ukraine’s place is the second to last one. Under it there is Venezuela, which did not provide official statistics.

      Source: https://versia.ru/amerikanskaya-razvedka-povedala-ob-istinnom-polozhenii-del-vs
      trane-pobedivshego-majdana
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 29 March 2016 08: 17
        +2
        What thunders the Ukrainian army in the exercises "Spring Thunder - 2016"?

        It was recalled from childhood (slightly changed):
        "Thunder is thundering, the earth is shaking -
        The crest rushes down the street! "
      2. krops777
        krops777 29 March 2016 08: 34
        +3
        US CIA: Ukraine sank to the bottom


        We ascertained their success.
    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 29 March 2016 09: 31
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      What acts can be entrusted to such a member?... Punitive ... succeeded ..

      Well, yes, the ukronatsists have a very rich experience in this matter - we recall at least Khatyn ...
      What thunders the Ukrainian army in the exercises "Spring Thunder - 2016"?

      I would answer why APU is booming ... yes, I’m afraid that they will ban me - for I find it difficult to find censored synonyms.
      All that remains is the hope that this is a circus with horses called Ukraine (in its current unsightly version) someday will be covered.
      I have the honor.
      1. cayman gene
        cayman gene 29 March 2016 09: 51
        +8
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        I would answer why APU is booming ... yes, I’m afraid that they will ban me - for I find it difficult to find censored synonyms

        and what is there to be afraid of, the Ukrainian army can rattle solely by flatulence, i.e. banal farting, which is the result of disgusting food.
  3. sgr291158
    sgr291158 29 March 2016 06: 38
    +3
    The consequences of visiting another squirrel.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 29 March 2016 06: 55
      +45
      Russian and Ukrainian fighters laughing
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 29 March 2016 07: 27
        +1
        In the morning about alcohol? Let's at least wait until lunch. wassat drinks
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 29 March 2016 07: 56
          +32
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          In the morning about alcohol?

          Well then, "anecdote" is possible ??
          soldier
          1. Batia
            Batia 29 March 2016 09: 07
            +7
            Laughing out loud!!!! Huge positive potential !!!! Native army. Therefore, it is invincible.
  4. ImPerts
    ImPerts 29 March 2016 06: 39
    +14
    What rattle? Covers from the boilers thunder!

    The Ukrainian army resembles ours, from the time of the first Chechen company, also with a string of thread, a naked shirt. Only we ran this distance, and Ukraine sold everything that can be sold, because a lot of things were left. Western districts were better equipped than Russia. 20 years have passed and the result is obvious. As with the construction of their state, and the means of protecting independence.
    Z.Y. Although not. It was built, built. A total sale system was built. This, incidentally, is demanded by our liberals. Quickly sell, take profits and dump ... Again on TV the need to sell state assets is being discussed. Panacea, damn it ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 March 2016 07: 10
      +10
      Quote: ImPerts
      What do they rattle? Boiler covers rattled!

      Now, of course, many clever words will be written here, but, I think, taking into account the fact that the population in VO is mostly male, I think that everyone has the first thought after reading the heading
      What thunders the Ukrainian army in the exercises "Spring Thunder - 2016"?
      Thus ... And do not even rattle, but ring ... They just ... laughing
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 29 March 2016 08: 28
        +1
        That's right, the orphan explained ...
        Quote: Orphan 63
        Joke with a beard remember:
        - Doctor, my grandmother calls me a bell boy since childhood. This is because when I jump something rings in me. Maybe I'm a genius?
        - Yes, dear, you are just mu ... .. ringing.
        And note, it is the jumpers that are mentioned!

        I do not know if they can somehow rattle with something, but the APU is "ringing" louder. And these strange sounds began to pick up even the Western curators of Mazepia, who were hard of hearing.
    2. sichevik
      sichevik 29 March 2016 09: 21
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      What rattle? Covers from the boilers thunder!

      The Ukrainian army resembles ours, from the time of the first Chechen company, also with a string of thread, a naked shirt. Only we ran this distance, and Ukraine sold everything that can be sold, because a lot of things were left. Western districts were better equipped than Russia. 20 years have passed and the result is obvious. As with the construction of their state, and the means of protecting independence.
      Z.Y. Although not. It was built, built. A total sale system was built. This, incidentally, is demanded by our liberals. Quickly sell, take profits and dump ... Again on TV the need to sell state assets is being discussed. Panacea, damn it ...

      And in Russia, what was wrong? When drunk Borka was plundered and sold to everyone who had such an opportunity. I believe that Russia is lucky. At the right time and in the right place, Putin appeared in Russia. It is not known how it happened with Russia if there would now be some sort of Yavlinsky, Nemtsov, Kudrin or Navalny in Putin's place.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 29 March 2016 09: 37
        +5
        Quote: sichevik
        It is not known how it happened with Russia if there would now be some sort of Yavlinsky, Nemtsov, Kudrin or Navalny in Putin's place.


        Well, this is now (especially, given the upcoming elections) is relevant. Many, dear Vladislav, unfortunately, want to bargain for Mother Motherland. And these marketers are not somewhere far away or underground, but at the very heart of Russia - in his government.
        (cry.)
    3. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 29 March 2016 17: 50
      +3
      [quote = ImPertz] What thunders? Boiler covers rattled!

      The Ukrainian army resembles ours, from the time of the first Chechen company, also with a string of thread, a naked shirt. Only we ran this distance, and Ukraine sold everything that can be sold, because a lot of things were left. Western districts were better equipped than Russia. 20 years have passed and the result is obvious. As with the construction of their state, and the means of protecting independence.
      Then, in the 90s, we also had advisers from across the ocean, who led the country to collapse. But we somehow changed our minds. It is a pity that Ukraine is heading for collapse without realizing it.
  5. orphan 63
    orphan 63 29 March 2016 06: 43
    +2
    laughingJoke with a beard remember:
    - Doctor, my grandmother calls me a bell boy since childhood. This is because when I jump something rings in me. Maybe I'm a genius?
    - Yes, dear, you are just mu ... .. ringing.
    And note, it is the jumpers that are mentioned! lol

    I do not know if they can somehow rattle with something, but the APU is "ringing" louder. repeat And these strange sounds even began to be picked up by the western curators of Mazepia, who were hard of hearing.
  6. as150505
    as150505 29 March 2016 06: 45
    +2
    The surname of the new commander-in-chief is noble - POPCO.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 29 March 2016 08: 25
      +5
      Quote: as150505
      The surname of the new commander-in-chief is noble - POPCO.


      And what a general! Can he even tie the shoelaces?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 29 March 2016 10: 03
        +6
        Quote: iliitch
        And what a general! Can he even tie the shoelaces?

        and I would have watched him cross-run ... from the ATO zone.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 29 March 2016 11: 53
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          and I would have watched him cross-run ... from the ATO zone.


          Lena, do not be naive, such on the "front" during the fighting, not a foot. But to be quiet and loudly at the same time grunt something like that - yes - here it can. And after that - in advisers or governors (one of these is already sticking out in your Odessa, and how many of them settled in the Verkhovna Rada, such as Semenchenko-Grishina). bully
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 29 March 2016 14: 56
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          and I would have watched him cross-run ... from the ATO zone.


          And to catch up, well at least once. The titanium crossbeam and scrap inside, the ATO will break the ghoul.
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    3. bocsman
      bocsman 29 March 2016 08: 30
      +1
      Quote: as150505
      The surname of the new commander-in-chief is noble - POPCO.

      Just don’t say that from the word - pop!
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 29 March 2016 09: 14
      +3
      The surname of the new commander-in-chief is noble - POPCO.
      Person- wink surname

      Looking at the photo I thought, what does it remind me of?
      Porosenko with his generals is similar to Hitler in 1945.
    5. rosstov
      rosstov 29 March 2016 20: 11
      +1
      Sure, and his face looks like an ass ...
  7. Hooks
    Hooks 29 March 2016 06: 47
    +4
    Lieutenant General Popko-Avdeevsky-Yasinovaty ...
    In vain they drive the equipment - they break half, half about ... lose.
  8. alex-712
    alex-712 29 March 2016 06: 58
    +5
    Quote: Mitek
    And I’m bitter, men. On the other hand, people like us are the same. We could go to some schools, universities. We watched some films, celebrated the same holidays together. And now they passionately want to kill me ... Propaganda has done its job. Western information technology in all its glory. Even the ancients said, divide and conquer. There is such a wild informational pressure that even the generation of the USSR believes all that nonsense that pours on them from all sides. What can we say about young people who know from childhood that Russia is an aggressor and other nonsense.
    All this can be cured by large bloodletting, hunger, poverty. But I feel sorry for them. But volunteer units and those who bombard peaceful cities to destroy without mercy and statute of limitations.

    But you're right, a whole generation has grown up with the thought that Russia and Ukraine are enemies, offensively ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 March 2016 07: 18
      +4
      Quote: alex-712
      But you're right a whole generation grew up with the thought that Russia and Ukraine are enemiesIt's a shame ..

      And the most offensive, that for this growing generation, WE are THERE more enemies for THEM than THEY FOR US. And it is not a generation inertia, but it simply didn’t occur to anyone to tell our children that the Ukrainian is our enemy ONLY because he is Ukrainian ...

      And I explained to my grandson two years ago that the enemy for us-Svidomo Bandera. And who is he - Ukrainian, Russian, Jew or Tatar - that is the eighteenth case ... He even showed a documentary movie about Bandera. Of course, ours, not Ukrainian. Got it ...
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 29 March 2016 08: 21
        +3
        Svidomo-this is purely Ukrainian.
        Svidomo Russian does not happen. Have you seen, for example, a Russian in an embroidered shirt with a hairstyle under the pot that speaks Old Slavonic? And raving about his kindergarten, pigsty and Bazhov's tales.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 March 2016 16: 31
          +5
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Svidomo-this is purely Ukrainian.
          Svidomo Russian does not happen. Have you seen, for example, a Russian in an embroidered shirt with a hairstyle under the pot that speaks Old Slavonic? And raving about his kindergarten, pigsty and Bazhov's tales.

          I do not climb into such philological subtleties. Let my wife understand this - she is a doctor of philological sciences. laughing А I know the words "fascist" and "enemy" from birth. Grandfather, father, men in the yard, school, college, army - they taught without words, by the eyes, to understand who the enemy is. So I’m trying the same thing for my grandson ...
    2. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 29 March 2016 17: 53
      0
      Quote: alex-712
      Quote: Mitek
      And I’m bitter, men. On the other hand, people like us are the same. We could go to some schools, universities. We watched some films, celebrated the same holidays together. And now they passionately want to kill me ... Propaganda has done its job. Western information technology in all its glory. Even the ancients said, divide and conquer. There is such a wild informational pressure that even the generation of the USSR believes all that nonsense that pours on them from all sides. What can we say about young people who know from childhood that Russia is an aggressor and other nonsense.
      All this can be cured by large bloodletting, hunger, poverty. But I feel sorry for them. But volunteer units and those who bombard peaceful cities to destroy without mercy and statute of limitations.

      But you're right, a whole generation has grown up with the thought that Russia and Ukraine are enemies, offensively ...

      I think they’ll change their minds yet. And it didn’t.
  9. qwert111
    qwert111 29 March 2016 06: 59
    +2
    "Why does this responsibility lie" precisely "with Popko, and not with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Mr. Poroshenko? - Mr. Poroshenko did not explain either to Lieutenant General Popko, or to the leadership of the Control Center" in the ATO zone ", to whom the General and was presented ...

    And on the most supreme commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Mr. Poroshenko, lies the "protection" of Europe! Why is there Europe, the whole world, the entire galaxy, it will be more accurate. Parashka thinks everyone knows about it!
    In general, as the saying goes: "Uncle, Petya! You need to drink less"
  10. inkass_98
    inkass_98 29 March 2016 06: 59
    +3
    The transition to NATO standards implies, first of all, corresponding changes in the structures and methods of communication and control, as well as other weapon standards. Skakly want to carry out "organizational and staff" activities, ie. to call their units and formations differently, thus switching to NATO standards? Well done, cheap and cheerful. And the Poles with other Czechs still ride on post-Soviet equipment, suffer with the calibers of heavy equipment, goofs. And all that was necessary was to change the sign on the barracks from a platoon to a "squadron" - and that's it! Already in NATE up to the ears.
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 29 March 2016 07: 02
    +3
    then I look at the Ukrainian generals all dressed in a field vole, I just wanted to play war games again in the spring ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 March 2016 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Volka
      then I look at the Ukrainian generals all dressed in a field vole, I just wanted to play war games again in the spring ...


      And why not fight on an almost alien land (their own has already become theirs). Ahead is the renaming of settlements in an overseas way (well, for example, instead of Kharkov - Clintonburg, instead of Ivano-Frankivsk - Bidenberg, etc.). And nothing prevents this already, and how plebs will be happy and happy, how enthusiastically it will jump into the bright present ....
      (cry.)
  12. tundra
    tundra 29 March 2016 07: 17
    +2
    If you try to delve into the Maidan logic of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense (what to do, as you yourself understand, is unsafe for mental health), \\\\\

    It is clear that looking at this, even overseas curators in the vocabulary end literary and non-literary words. \\\\\\\\

    Everyone has already taken out the brain, with its brainlessness.
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 March 2016 07: 35
    +1
    for the life of every soldier, every citizen of our state.

    Why did the petska begin to worry about "soldiers and citizens"? laughing
  14. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 29 March 2016 07: 49
    0

    ... triple lies on you ...

    I don’t get it? Why triple? Thirty times !!! Take more! 100500 times !!!

    Skakly .. Such skakly.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 March 2016 09: 52
      +7
      -Sawan Ukraine!
      -Ukraine shroud!

      New chant!
  15. nivander
    nivander 29 March 2016 07: 57
    +22
    and here is zdasssti !!!
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 29 March 2016 11: 01
      0
      It may be like in Russia, after Serdyukov, they thought that the army was destroyed, but it turned out that we are CSOs! So in the unguarded, they hide the increase in their combat readiness.
    2. ML-334
      ML-334 29 March 2016 21: 26
      0
      Really implemented?
  16. 31rus2
    31rus2 29 March 2016 08: 01
    +5
    Dear, the army, these are people, and people are the people, I talked with a Ukrainian about the business of those who came to Russia, told me: you cannot say a word in a note immediately to the SBU, when I asked why he doesn’t move to Russia with his family, I answered “I’m Ukrainian and how not bad homeland is my Ukraine ", it means that people have hope, not everyone has brains, we write indignant here, but meanwhile there is already a completely different society, different views, a different life, so it's not right to measure everything the old fashioned way
    1. Private IITR
      Private IITR 29 March 2016 08: 08
      +2
      This means that calling a spade a spade is not right?
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 29 March 2016 08: 31
      +2
      Quote: 31rus2
      Dear, the army, these are people, and people are the people, I talked with a Ukrainian about the business of those who came to Russia, told me: you cannot say a word in a note immediately to the SBU, when I asked why he doesn’t move to Russia with his family, I answered “I’m Ukrainian and how not bad homeland is my Ukraine ", it means that people have hope, not everyone has brains, we write indignant here, but meanwhile there is already a completely different society, different views, a different life, so it's not right to measure everything the old fashioned way

      Well, then he’s not bad.
      To whom is war, to whom is mother dear?
      Or maybe the thing is different. What does it mean to move.
      It is not simple. Here no one is waiting for your Ukrainian. We have only 5% unemployment on paper, but in reality ...
      And without a residence permit they won’t take a normal job, but they won’t get a view, because with what actually ... Of course you can bypass everything, for money, for bribes .... in general, everything requires money, time and considerable effort .
      Many are coming now, however, and many are trying to formalize themselves officially.
      1. 31rus2
        31rus2 29 March 2016 21: 06
        +1
        Yes, the fact of the matter is that Ukrainians do not need either the EU or Russia, people want to live at home and live a normal life, but let them go to Russia again, that they come from a good life? The USA and Russia play politics, and ordinary people suffer and no one cares, that’s the question
  17. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 March 2016 08: 13
    0
    Please remember it lies with you triple responsibility for the fate of the country, for the effective use of subordinate troops to defend the Motherland, for the life of every soldier, every citizen of our state.

    Well, who will say that this is a sober monologue? Yesterday they gave in about the start of the exercises, and that’s it. Everything is clear with the life of a soldier and citizen, but what about the homeland and the country - is it about America?
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 March 2016 08: 15
    +1
    in new organizational structures, adapted to NATO standards,

    Typically, countries applying for NATO membership took at least several years to at least partially switch to their standards. In Ukraine, they are switching over once, the main thing is to announce.
    for the life of every soldier, every citizen of our state.

    How the Ukrainian leadership is glad for the lives of its soldiers is probably not known only in Africa, and that is because they are completely not interested in Ukraine.
  19. Scud
    Scud 29 March 2016 08: 18
    0
    Waltzman !? So he is a crest, who will put him in?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 March 2016 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: scud
      So he is a crest, who will put him in?



      It seems that our friend Avigdor Eskin will do this. bully
  20. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 29 March 2016 08: 48
    +2
    A powerless power is trying to control a powerless army ...
    People can be intimidated, but not deceived ...
  21. KRIG55
    KRIG55 29 March 2016 09: 01
    +1
    And what kind of faces ...
  22. engineer
    engineer 29 March 2016 09: 22
    0
    NATO standards are several volumes of thousands of pages. Or (in a modern way) several gigabytes of information. Go to them can only those states that abandon their own sun and will contain the entire us. Where is the money at the ruin?
  23. Patriot 771
    Patriot 771 29 March 2016 09: 23
    +1
    The army — it either defends or conquers. To say that in 404 someone defends something is possible and known, but not the army - a bunch of ghouls. You will still have to stop the downloaders somewhere, it’s better on their territory. I believe that they also understand (although not quite sure). But the fact that the ghouls are selected to the northern borders of the Crimea is also a fact. Spring will show who where cf.
  24. surrozh
    surrozh 29 March 2016 09: 28
    +2
    "Thunder" in Ukrainian "gram". Freckle make-up - freckles got out.
  25. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 29 March 2016 10: 08
    +1
    something to me this coaching ukrov the situation with the Georgian army on the eve of the war reminds me ....... there the Americans were dragging hard.
  26. Taygerus
    Taygerus 29 March 2016 11: 39
    0
    bastards started something, again they want to shed blood
  27. Grach710
    Grach710 29 March 2016 11: 43
    +1
    Some kind of muggy and pot-bellied faces in the photo-lovers drink and bite. Voisko pot-bellied commanders hi
  28. rus-5819
    rus-5819 29 March 2016 14: 41
    +2
    while even the NATO "partners" of Ukraine are scratching their heads, calling on the Ukrainian army to rattle something at least on "Spring Thunder

    Petsku NATO does not take,
    Petska himself will enter NATU!
  29. Normal ok
    Normal ok 29 March 2016 18: 53
    +2
    The title of the article does not match the content. Based on the name, I expected to see an analysis of the exercises, a list of involved equipment, etc. The military site all the same ... But in fact it turned out to be one water. Written purely for audience approval.
  30. skeptic
    skeptic 29 March 2016 21: 08
    0
    If Ukrainians have trained all the time to jump!
    It would be easier to distinguish them from people.
  31. aba
    aba 29 March 2016 21: 32
    0
    It's all...

    But behind these words someone's ragged lives.
  32. iouris
    iouris 30 March 2016 01: 00
    0
    The spring thunder over Ukraine is a bunch of Waltzman - Groisman.
  33. kamski
    kamski 30 March 2016 04: 44
    0
    Enduring Boiler Army. The exercises also had to be called preparation for the next BOILER