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The Indian Air Force reminded the government of the need to speed up the purchase of new aircraft

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The Indian Express newspaper recalled the difficult situation in the domestic air force. The publication cites the words of Marshal aviation BS Dhanoa, who recently stated that Indian aviation will not be "able to participate in two conflicts at the same time."


One of the images of a promising fifth generation fighter HAL / Dry FGFA Indian Air Force

In his statement, the marshal emphasized that with the 2009 r there were no positive changes in the Indian Air Force.

“In fact, there is even a worsening of the situation, since ever more aircraft have been withdrawn from service. Unfortunately, the previous government of the country practically did not respond to the requests of the pilots, perhaps for the reason that the Minister of Defense did not want scandals, frightened by the situation with some contracts. The result was that the number of air force combat squadrons had sunk from 42 to 33, ”Danoa quotes the blog. bmpd.

He noted that "the decision of the United States to supply F-16 fighters to Pakistan only aggravates the situation."

Marshal did not go into plans to remedy the situation, but said that "the Air Force urgently needs an average multi-role fighter (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft - MMRCA)", that is, Dassault Rafale aircraft.

“The government understands not only the necessity, but also the urgency in resolving this issue. Procurement of weapons for various reasons takes a lot of time, and no government will accelerate it because of the fear of fraudulent transactions, ”the newspaper writes. According to this logic, the contract for the purchase of "Rafale" is not yet finalized.

According to the publication, the Indian military are also hoping for a Tejas domestic-made aircraft and a 5 generation fighter developed jointly with the Russian Federation.

“However, all this takes time, and the government should nevertheless speed up the procurement process, as well as to ensure the emergence of the“ Make in India ”principle in the industry. In this case, the role of the Defense Research Organization (DRDO) is gaining significant weight, ”the newspaper concludes.
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  1. Berserks
    Berserks 28 March 2016 14: 11
    +8
    Buy the best Su-35!
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 28 March 2016 14: 14
      +8
      Quote: Berserks
      “The Air Force urgently needs an average multirole fighter


      Well, or MIG-35 if you need something easier.
      1. Berserks
        Berserks 28 March 2016 14: 16
        -35%
        The Mig-35 is no good. In Russia there is no decent light fighter, which is a pity. After the Mig-29, there are no new developments. Perhaps the Yak Design Bureau will develop.
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 28 March 2016 14: 17
          +9
          Where does this information come from? Argument.
          1. Berserks
            Berserks 28 March 2016 14: 19
            -4
            Well, at least, not MO’s desire to buy it
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 28 March 2016 14: 22
              +7
              completed the first stage of this work - a draft technical project is protected and adopted by the Ministry of Defense. Therefore, we are following the schedule of the contract that the Ministry of Defense has signed for us. Today, the aircraft located here goes through all stages of assembly, and this year it will be assembled and presented to the customer for flight operations (tests)
              - RIA News from 17.03.2016
              1. Berserks
                Berserks 28 March 2016 15: 02
                0
                Was the MiG-35 still flying at MAKS-2009 if it was already good then why are they planning to conduct its flight tests only 7 years later? And besides, did it fly out in the Indian tender at the first stage, losing not only to the French, but also to the Swedes?
                1. Gogia
                  Gogia 28 March 2016 15: 18
                  +3
                  Read between the letters: П-О-Г-О-С-Я-Н !!!
                2. sdc_alex
                  sdc_alex 28 March 2016 15: 52
                  +2
                  at the beginning of the 00's, the 35's moment was cut off due to the internal problems of our country (see the next comment).
                  Who told you that if he flew to MAKS-2009, then he was finished and "good". Su-47 also flew, even at MAKS-1999, but did not go into production and did not receive development.
                  Now being finalized, debugging, running MIG. The contract with the Moscow Region is concluded.
                  And, personally, my opinion is that if the Indians participate financially in the process of finalizing the 35, then this will be good for both the plane and the design bureau and the plant (hypothetically, for the Indians smile ).
                  1. Berserks
                    Berserks 28 March 2016 16: 16
                    -1
                    Well, I’m not talking about the plane that they’ll possibly make, but about the fact that Idus was at the tender, and it was bad! And I won’t know what it will be in the future
                    1. sdc_alex
                      sdc_alex 28 March 2016 16: 41
                      +3
                      Well then, it’s unambiguous to say that the MIG-35 is also worthless. Moreover, the Indians have not yet shown the finished MIG 35. In addition, the cost of the final aircraft is still important there, with which Rafal is not at all easy.

                      PS: I think that it is hardly worth waiting for a gift in terms of a light fighter from the Yak Design Bureau. Since the contract on the topic has already been concluded with MIG. It is unlikely that the MO will pay for the parallel development of another design bureau. The development and research process is also far from free, as I am telling you as a doctor.
                3. Genry
                  Genry 28 March 2016 16: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Berserks
                  The MiG-35 still flew at MAKS-2009, if it was already good then why are they planning to conduct its flight tests only 7 years later?

                  Then there was not a MiG-35, but a MiG-29 with a hint-advertisement "we can make a MiG-35 for you".
                4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2016 16: 49
                  +4
                  Quote: Berserks
                  Mig-35 still flew to MAX-2009, if it was already good then why only after 7 years are going to conduct its flight tests? And besides, already in the Indian tender, it flew out at the first stage

                  Therefore, it flew out that a number of the most important components of the MiG-35 (such as AFAR) have not yet been created (at best, the level of the demonstrator). Claims to the Migovites are not particularly advanced here - not their diocese.
                  The plane itself is good, only because of the delayed "filling" we could not offer the Indians a quick serial delivery. And the Indians did not need participation in the next project - among other things, the delivery speed was important to them, because the Indian Air Force really had a drawdown in this class fighter and they were looking for an aircraft that is already in series production. Like Rafale :))
                  But the final result is still stupid - the Indians, having suffered with rafals, did not get what they wanted - the years go by, but the plane is still gone.
                  Quote: sdc_alex
                  Mig-35 is no good

                  Quote: Berserks
                  Well, at least, not MO’s desire to buy it

                  Badly mistaken. Moscow Region is ready to buy it, but the domestic aviation industry is still not ready to produce it (the same memorable AFAR)
                5. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 28 March 2016 20: 43
                  0
                  Dear, you don’t have to wave your saber, the MiG-35 just collected two cars and are now starting the tests, so do not drive horses.
            2. Ros 56
              Ros 56 28 March 2016 20: 40
              -1
              Did they tell you from the MO?
        2. Dimon19661
          Dimon19661 28 March 2016 14: 53
          +6
          The Ministry of Defense and the Russian Armed Forces received a prototype of a new combat aircraft, and in the near future will begin test flights. We, Israelis, are accustomed to hearing, mainly about Western weapons updates, but recently the Russian arms market has risen to several levels and showed the world some very interesting patterns. One of the crown diamonds was the MiG-35 aircraft. Initially, he had to fight for the tender announced by the Indian Air Force, but in the end it was decided to put it into service in Russia, and soon we will see it very close to our borders - as part of Egyptian military aviation.


          Sergei Korotkov, General Director of RAC MiG OJSC, said that in the near future the aircraft will be transferred to the Ministry of Defense for preliminary tests. He did not explain exactly how many aircraft are currently released. “We have completed the first stage of this work - a draft technical project. He is protected and accepted by the Ministry of Defense, ”said Korotkov. Earlier, the general director said that the aircraft will go into service with the Russian Air Force and the Egyptian Air Force in 2018-2020.

          This is a new advanced aircraft of the so-called 4,5 generation. It is comparable with modern models F-15, F-16 and F-18. Without a doubt, the aircraft became the pride of Russian industry. It is equipped with two engines, is available in two versions - one and two pilots. In terms of dry data, its flight range is 2 000 kilometers, it develops speed 2 400 kilometers per hour, the maximum height is more than 17 kilometers, climb speed - 300 meters per second.


          Able to attack in cyberspace

          Under the wings of the aircraft there are 18 suspensions. You can attach removable fuel tanks, a variety of missiles "air-to-air", "air-to-ground" and "smart" bombs. The Russians say that the maneuverability of the aircraft is very impressive and surpasses its Western counterparts. According to them, the MiG-35 is able to cope with stealth-built aircraft. Fans of aircraft and weapons in general will appreciate the smooth outlines of this beautiful bird, different from the rough lines of old models.

          The main highlight of the new aircraft was a unique optical radar station OLS, capable of recognizing different targets in the air and on the ground, including using the definition of the thermal trace of targets. The data immediately enter the pilot's helmet. The radius of the system, according to data provided by the Russian side, is very impressive - it is able to notice the target at a distance of 45 kilometers, and to identify it from a distance of more than ten kilometers. There is no data on the recognition of ground targets, since it depends on the terrain and on the size of the target. At the same time, the Russian side claims that in this case the distance is very significant. In addition, the Russians claim that it is impossible to detect with MiG-35 passive means, which gives it a great advantage.

          In addition, the aircraft is equipped with a system that helps to neutralize the threat of air defense, as well as protect the MiG from cybernetic attacks. Moreover, the Russians say that the aircraft is able to carry out cyber attacks and incapacitate enemy systems. Most of the data on the aircraft is classified, but we Israelis should pay attention to the Russian weapons news, because sooner or later they will get into our region.
        3. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 28 March 2016 14: 55
          +2
          Quote: Berserks
          MiG-35 is no good.


          Why? belay
          1. Berserks
            Berserks 28 March 2016 15: 29
            -1
            Well, let's compare at least with the same Raphaels:
            The range of 1000 km for the 35th versus 1800th Frenchman,
            The combat load of 6500 kg against 9500 kg from the Frenchman,
            The pivot points are 10 versus 14, all this despite the fact that the Frenchman weighs 9500 kg versus 11000 kg. The only thing the 35th is better in maneuverability thanks to UVT.

            I understand people who are minus, but patriotism should not turn a blind eye to the real situation!
            1. Lex.
              Lex. 28 March 2016 15: 50
              +8
              The range of 1000 km for the 35th versus the 1800th Frenchman, well, if you compare the MiG-35 with the F-16 and the U-18 in terms of radius, then the MiG-35 is better, and I can’t believe that the combat radius of Rafal-1800 is simple Wikipedia ads
              1. Berserks
                Berserks 28 March 2016 16: 13
                -3
                Well, if you find another source of performance characteristics of Raphael I will be grateful. And I did not compare it with F-15 and F-16, and the radius is larger because the 35th
                1. sdc_alex
                  sdc_alex 28 March 2016 16: 16
                  +2
                  Well then, you should also forget about the characteristics of the unfinished MIG-35 you wrote.
                2. Lex.
                  Lex. 28 March 2016 16: 59
                  +5
                  Berserks-By the way, this instant is 35 that on Wikipedia it was lined up for a tender in India and for other Russian air forces it is possible other characteristics. And if we take f-18 and typhoon, then there is more fuel for f-18, for example, 2 tons there is no difference in radius action Rafale really he has such a unique engine that something I doubt it
                3. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 28 March 2016 21: 54
                  0
                  Especially for you I just found: March 27, 2016. The model of the new MiG-35 combat aircraft will be tested by Russian pilots in the near future. hi
              2. Genry
                Genry 28 March 2016 16: 36
                +5
                Quote: Berserks
                Well, let's compare at least with the same Raphaels:
                The range of 1000 km for the 35th versus 1800th Frenchman,

                From Wikipedia about Rafal:
                "Combat radius: 1389 km in suspension version: 3 PTB, 2 UR MICA, 2 UR Meteor, 6 LGB / PGM, 1 Navigation POD."

                This is from PTB, Karl!
            2. donavi49
              donavi49 28 March 2016 16: 06
              +1
              There is the usual Sea Wasp. There was no UVT even at the demonstrator for the Indians.
            3. Berber
              Berber 28 March 2016 16: 29
              +3
              Mig 35 is inferior to Su 35, but since it is cheaper both in production and in service it is a very good alternative. And compared to the Rafals, it’s much cheaper. And taking into account where it will be used, he does not need such a combat radius. To achieve air superiority in a limited theater of operations, this is an excellent aircraft.
            4. xtur
              xtur 28 March 2016 17: 03
              +1
              > Range of action 1000 km from the 35th against 1800 from the French,

              here, most likely, French advertising tricks and they don’t talk about the load with which he flies these 1800 km. the forum once already discussed this issue
          2. vv3
            vv3 28 March 2016 17: 30
            +3
            The MIG-29 in its current perception had 2 serious shortcomings, a small combat radius of action and the old engine. The developers claim that they managed to increase the capacity of the internal tanks to 4,5 tons on the MIG-35. But this is almost 1.5 times less than that of Rafal. Given that it’s better not to compare radii on a more efficient engine, where did you see the light fighter? Medium for the price of heavy. Even with all the minuses, it will go to the domestic market. It is important to preserve and develop the second design bureau. Maybe then, on the basis of the MIG-35, a really light fighter will be offered with a simplified avionics, even with 1 engine, in an acceptable price range for the countries of the third of the world. Sukhoi has such a development T54 / 55/56, but he is not up to it, there are so many orders.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2016 18: 38
              +1
              Quote: vv3
              . The developers claim that they managed to increase the capacity of the internal tanks to 4,5 tons by MIG-35. But this is almost 1.5 times less than that of Rafal.

              We go here http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/rafal.html and read - the fuel in Rafal’s internal tanks is 4500 kg. Let me ask, since when has 4,5 tons of fuel of a French fighter become one and a half times more than 4,5 tons of Russian? And given that the MiG-35 still carries not 4,5 tons, but 4,8 tons, then your arithmetic is completely unique.
              Quote: vv3
              Given that it has a more economical engine

              Also a half times? laughing
              Quote: vv3
              Where did you see the light fighter?

              MiG-35 - please.
              Quote: vv3
              Medium heavy

              The average price for the heavy one is just Rafal with his price tag for 100 with plus dollars, the 35 will be half as much. And what does it mean - average? If Eurofighter is average, then yes (they have a ton of 11 tons of empty with MiG). And then what Hornet? With its over 14 tons?
        4. Ros 56
          Ros 56 28 March 2016 20: 39
          -2
          Are you a test pilot and judge a plane?
    2. FenH
      FenH 28 March 2016 14: 26
      +4
      Quote: Berserks
      Buy the best Su-35!

      Oh, these Indians to the Buddha !! They’re sorting out kharchami, it’s not like that, it’s not that way. Give the technology back half the amount. Pakistanis need to sell, beat the market from China. And let the Indians grumble from the French
      1. hartlend
        hartlend 28 March 2016 15: 05
        +1
        For reference, Hinduism and Buddhism are different religions. On the merits, we ourselves really need the Su-35, and therefore are not for sale. It is difficult to enter the Pakistani market, where the Americans are fueling. In addition, the sale of aircraft to Pakistan, when India urgently needs them, will entail political consequences. And with the Rafales, the French Indians will still play along, like us and the Mistrals. In the end, they will buy the Su-30 from us in order to hold out until their planes go into production.
        1. FenH
          FenH 28 March 2016 15: 21
          +2
          Quote: hartlend
          For reference, Hinduism and Buddhism are different religions.


          Buddhism originated in northern India. Its founder is Siddhartha Gautama, Buddha (“Awakened”) Shakyamuni (“Sage of the Sakya clan”).

          This is so, about Buddhism


          Quote: hartlend
          On the merits, we ourselves really need the Su-35, and therefore are not for sale.


          The Chinese are tensed by this phrase



          Quote: hartlend
          It is difficult to enter the Pakistani market, where the Americans are fueling.


          The Chinese are selling their planes to Pakistan with our engines, and they have America and what America thinks about it.

          Quote: hartlend
          In addition, the sale of aircraft to Pakistan, when India urgently needs them, will entail political consequences.


          By the number of times India refused Russian technology, it’s time to apply the political consequences to them

          Quote: hartlend
          And with the Rafales, the French Indians will still play along, like us and the Mistrals. In the end, they will buy the Su-30 from us in order to hold out until their planes go into production.


          Why would such conclusions?
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 28 March 2016 14: 14
    +2
    What I did not understand about the simultaneous participation in two conflicts !!! Pakistan and?! China?! Well, apparently, the Indians will still buy Rafali.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 28 March 2016 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      the Indians will still buy Rafali.


      Here the price for them was announced recently. Hindus want 36pcs for 7bn, (194.4mln \ pcs!), The French want 9bn. Well nichrome yourself quotes. It is completely unclear why the average fighter, why not buy heavy multi-functional 30s or 35s, operation is unlikely to be much more expensive. Both MOT and warranty service are not issues that cannot be resolved. request
      1. Alex 1972
        Alex 1972 28 March 2016 15: 04
        +1
        Campaign price that you indicated is just with the cost of operation.
    2. yehat
      yehat 28 March 2016 15: 18
      0
      India has long been undeclared war with Pakistan.
      with China ... 2 neighbors with a billion people and a growing economy - they are close to them!
  3. vanavatny
    vanavatny 28 March 2016 14: 17
    +6
    with their hodgepodge in armaments, participation in two conflicts at once can become a guarantee of shortages of something from someone laughing
  4. Altona
    Altona 28 March 2016 14: 19
    +4
    The MiG-35 is not considered for them as not adopted for service. They demand 2 billion more for Rafali (9 instead of 7). In general, Indian negotiators are more interested in commercial interest than in the combat capability of their air forces, which need to be replaced yesterday.
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    2. vanavatny
      vanavatny 28 March 2016 14: 23
      +2
      Well, yes, analdes increase the price - cherry calls for increased kickback: negotiations are underway laughing
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 28 March 2016 16: 08
      0
      The MiG-35 demonstrator is more sophisticated than the current MiG-29M / M2 promoted under the MiG-35 brand - it did not suit them at the time.

      For money, they will converge with the French, not in a year, but in three.
  5. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 28 March 2016 14: 20
    +8
    It seems the marshal was well paid from Paris. So he is in a hurry to get a fee.
  6. VP
    VP 28 March 2016 14: 24
    +2
    Was he going to fight?
    Such fussiness is not typical for Hindus; according to their best traditions, a client should spend years in their own bile juice laughing
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 28 March 2016 14: 26
      0
      or fry on a gujarat torch
  7. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 28 March 2016 14: 27
    0
    D ....... ly ....... d! Although it seems like allies.
    1. VP
      VP 28 March 2016 14: 28
      +2
      Why are they allies?
      1. FenH
        FenH 28 March 2016 14: 37
        +1
        Quote: VP
        Why are they allies?

        They were not our allies for a while, still under the British crown
  8. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 28 March 2016 14: 40
    +2
    In his statement, the marshal emphasized that with the 2009 r there were no positive changes in the Indian Air Force.
    And it was not possible to flirt with "Rafals" request
  9. demiurg
    demiurg 28 March 2016 14: 52
    +3
    All of Asia is urgently arming itself. And China, and India, and Pakistan. Moreover, everyone is armed with the most modern types of weapons, regardless of the price. We are also rushing to rearm. It seems that I don’t see the obvious why such powerful one-time expenses are needed. There are many hypotheses, ranging from the emergency spending of US bonds to the meteorite falling soon. I do not want to believe in conspiracy theory, but the gun is already hung on the wall.
    1. Berserks
      Berserks 28 March 2016 14: 58
      +1
      Well, vryatli, the conflict between Pakistan and India can be resolved by the world, if someone ceases to be satisfied with the status, there will be a war. And one can only hope that the parties will be prudent and will not use nuclear weapons!
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 28 March 2016 15: 12
        +3
        When India gained independence, Muslims and Hindus were pitted against each other. This was not the choice of the Indian people, but the result of the ignorance of the people and the venality of Indo-Pakistani politicians, ruled by British intelligence. As long as the British act, the conflict between India and Pakistan will not end.
        1. yehat
          yehat 28 March 2016 15: 19
          0
          enough blood had already accumulated there so that the conflict would go without outside help.
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    2. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 28 March 2016 15: 04
      +2
      The big war is being prepared by the owners of money. Countries are pumping weapons, and people, as always, are poisoned.
  10. RomanS
    RomanS 28 March 2016 14: 56
    +5
    In this situation, the Indians are like a donkey, that starved in front of two feeding troughs ...
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 28 March 2016 16: 21
      +2
      You need to pour donkey glucose intramuscularly from Russia.
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 March 2016 16: 26
    +1
    And rightly so! There is nothing to fly on hang gliders! We must order a huge batch of Sushki and MiGs! Do not brake, sneakers smile
  12. Berber
    Berber 28 March 2016 16: 40
    +1
    The behavior of the Indians is not logical when it comes to replacing an aging fleet of fighters. Rafal, in this case, is not the best option - since there are few roads. This is most likely a question of technologies, therefore, the prices are sky-high, even more than those announced by the T-50.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 March 2016 17: 07
    +4
    For Indians to be happy, Russia needs to build
    right in India, a service center for Russian military aircraft,
    with its technicians and workers and repair facilities and stock
    spare parts.
    And then the Indians complained in their press that all repairs are carried out in Russia, while
    bring a new or refurbished engine a year passes,
    bureaucracy for several months when making repairs and spare parts.
    As a result, the cost of the Su-30, along with the service rolls over
    for $ 100 million.

    For comparison, the Americans sell the F-16 of the latest modification.
    85 million for Pakistan, including warranty service and training.
    And Americans deliver parts (for example, to Israel) a couple of days after
    a simple email request.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 28 March 2016 23: 58
      +1
      plus you for spite laughing
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 March 2016 20: 46
    0
    I wonder who the Indians were going to fight with, and even on two fronts. The warriors are fucked up.