Video of the combat use of the Mi-28N Night Hunter helicopter in Syria

A video appeared on the Internet, on the frames of which you can see which military equipment was used during the battles against the militants of the Islamic State, who for a long time kept ancient Palmyra under their control. The Russian helicopter Mi-28H “Night Hunter” appears on the video. Judging by the frames, the helicopter strikes with an anti-tank guided missile.

Earlier it was reported that in March, helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces Mi-28H “Night Hunter” helicopters were transferred to Syria. It is possible that on the frames presented on the Military.Media.Syria.Central1 channel on YouTube, the first combat use of such helicopters was demonstrated. On the official portal of the Ministry of Defense, as well as on the YouTube channel of the main defense department of the Russian Federation, the shots on the use of the Mi-28H in Syria are not yet available.

In the presented frames, at least one more detail is noteworthy - Tanks, involved by the Syrian army to combat international terrorist forces, are again moving with open hatches.

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[alpamys]

The presented frames attract attention and, at least, one more detail - tanks used by the Syrian army to fight international terrorist forces, are moving again with open hatches.

tankers, what does this mean?

[Kostyar]

There is nothing to give!
In this configuration Conder is not provided .....)))

[lelikas]

They’ve already shown TVs in the morning in the morning, and if tankers sweat worse than getting a barotrauma or a grenade through the hatch, their choice.

[Kent0001]

As for the 28th, again, not a bad advertisement for Russian weapons! The main thing is that the barmales would not be shot down, the guys work low. Good luck, helicopter pilots !!!!!

[Professor]

Quote: Bone

In this configuration Conder is not provided .....)))

Is it summer in Syria?
There are now +10 degrees Celsius.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: professor

Quote: Bone

In this configuration Conder is not provided .....)))

Is it summer in Syria?
There are now +10 degrees Celsius.

We now have +8 Celsius in Moscow, and the sun is even warmer. Somehow I can’t believe about +10 in Syria ...

[Professor]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

We now have +8 Celsius in Moscow, but in the sun I somehow can’t believe +10 in Syria ...

We are much south and we now have about 12. In the link go for a walk. There is a direct link to the weather station transmitting in real time.

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

There are now +10 degrees Celsius.

In Almaty, the weather is hot now, but God forbid that the car nevertheless bakes. Why can’t I suppose that in a tank where the dvigun is much more powerful, a cannon is actively working, a bunch of working devices, which, presumably, are warming up, will not be hot? I’m sure it’s still hot ...
Another thing is that Condos in tanks are a separate and probably expensive option, in any case, in Russian tanks. On tanks of other manufacturers, they can be included in the kit by default, I don’t know for sure, but in any case, the Syrian army bought it without Conder - and why now be surprised? Their choice. Well, the Russians half of the tank fleet also probably without Conder, but the climate here ... Although in the summer and the Russian tankers do not envy.
Maybe what option to come up with here? A sensor that determines the inflow of a shock wave, the operation of a device located near the hatch with compressed air, like airbags in a car, only without a pillow. Although I agree, stupidity is still that)))). It’s cheaper to condender, even at a homemade level). Are there few conders in ruined buildings? To rummage, and if the hands come from where the hands come from, the energy supply of the tank is quite sufficient - we are talking about our own comfort. Familiar in the car themselves install the Conder, of course, in a tank it is more difficult to crank, and closely, where is the armor, and the outdoor unit, and how to protect it? But if the Syrians were able to come up with and make protection against TOU, then they would be able to retrofit the tank with a Conder (which, owing to the age of the purchases, had long been out of grant). Summer is on the nose, and the heat in Syria is hoo.

[Professor]

Quote: aksakal

In Almaty, the weather is hot now, but God forbid that the car nevertheless bakes.

Are you hinting that Soviet tanks are not suitable for combat in a hot, desert climate?

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

Are you hinting that Soviet tanks are not suitable for combat in a hot, desert climate?

- the tanks themselves as technical products are fully adapted. Something I did not hear complaints about overheating of the engine or the trunk, or even any failures due to the heat. But to be inside a steel box in the heat without an air conditioner is discomfort. Professor, why are you pretending to be stupid and thereby ascribe to me something that I did not speak about at all? I directly pointed out in my post that the Conder is clearly not enough, but the Syrians themselves chose this configuration. But there was no talk about the inadequacy of the tanks themselves as such in the desert, because no problem. The tanks themselves feel great in the conditions of the Syrian desert, the wool (or armor?) Shines, they themselves rush like mad, well, until TOU or some other muck they pick up ...

[Professor]

Quote: aksakal

The tanks themselves feel great in the conditions of the Syrian desert, the wool (or armor?) Shines, they themselves rush like mad, well, until TOU or some other muck they pick up ...

When the tanks will fight separately from the crews, then I agree with you. In the meantime, it’s not enough to decide if there is a problem (open hatches, etc.) or not.

[Shuttle]

Quote: alpamys

The presented frames attract attention and, at least, one more detail - tanks used by the Syrian army to fight international terrorist forces, are moving again with open hatches.

tankers, what does this mean?

Due to the lack of air conditioning, tankers put themselves at great risk when working with open hatches. They can easily get shell shock if any TOW or Javelin arrives.
In addition, the ventilation system cannot create excessive air pressure in the fighting compartment, and therefore the guys still breathe good powder gases from the barrel, because after the shot, the bolt of the shutter is open and the gun is ready to take on a new shell and charge. And inhaling this ambre, to put it mildly, does not quite contribute to a healthy mood. Himself was a gunner 72-ki.

[alpamys]

Quote: Shuttle

Quote: alpamys

The presented frames attract attention and, at least, one more detail - tanks used by the Syrian army to fight international terrorist forces, are moving again with open hatches.

tankers, what does this mean?

Due to the lack of air conditioning, tankers put themselves at great risk when working with open hatches. They can easily get shell shock if any TOW or Javelin arrives.
In addition, the ventilation system cannot create excessive air pressure in the fighting compartment, and therefore the guys still breathe good powder gases from the barrel, because after the shot, the bolt of the shutter is open and the gun is ready to take on a new shell and charge. And inhaling this ambre, to put it mildly, does not quite contribute to a healthy mood. Himself was a gunner 72-ki.

Thanks for the detailed answer, the ejector does not pull out all the gases?

[Cat man null]

Quote: alpamys

ejector does not pull all the gases?

Standard report before performing UKS from the tank:

- Ready to fight, supercharger on!

A supercharger is a thing that creates excess pressure inside the tank. To:

- "help" the ejector to pull out the burn
- dust (radioactive, including), did not get inside
- and so on

The trick is that "pump" with open hatches .. somehow stupid.

I say: camel drivers, hereditary .. Makhnovists, damn it

[Professor]

Quote: Shuttle

Due to the lack of air conditioning, tankers put themselves at great risk when working with open hatches. They can easily get shell shock if any TOW or Javelin arrives.

Yeah, air conditioning now turns out to be a protection against TOW or Javelin. There is kondishin, there is no concussion. They didn’t put kondishin-concussion.

With an open hatch, a better overview is the whole secret. Well, almost all. Due to the location of the ejector in Soviet tanks, the gas contamination of the combat compartment is greater than in the bourgeois ones.

[yushch]

With an open hatch, a better overview is the whole secret. Well, almost all. Due to the location of the ejector in Soviet tanks, the gas contamination of the fighting compartment is more than in the bourgeois ones. [/ Quote]

Definitely worse, and in general Soviet-Russian tanks completely suck, but think that they or their modifications are in service with half the countries of the world. That is the case Merkava, the best tank in the world! True, due to the layout of the engine, heat flows prevent air from aiming and you have to take the barrel to the side for aimed shooting, and bridges do not hold its weight, but basically it’s certainly the best in the world!

[Professor]

Quote: yushch

, but think that they or their modifications are in service with half the countries of the world.

Well? The Volkswagen Beetle is much more common than a Ferrari. It turns out he’s better ...

Quote: yushch

True, due to the layout of the engine, heat flows prevent air from aiming and you have to take the barrel to the side for aimed shooting

Quote: yushch

Yes, and bridges do not hold its weight

Nevertheless, the gas contamination in Soviet tanks is greater.

[yushch]

Compare your armored toilet with a Ferrari is cool, you are not respected from modesty will not die.

[Professor]

Quote: yushch

Compare your armored toilet with a Ferrari is cool, you are not respected from modesty will not die.

And you are from intelligence. In your opinion, the main criterion for success is prevalence. The Volkswagen Beetle is much more common than a Ferrari.
Learn the materiel. About engine heat and about bridges and about gas contamination.

[yushch]

Is the parking guard trying to tell me what to learn? I’m saying from modesty, you, dear, you won’t die, LeClerk can be called a ferrari among tanks, your armored toilet doesn’t pull on a ferrari, not in quantity, not in price, not in quality, not in the world.

[Professor]

Quote: yushch

Is the parking guard trying to tell me what to learn?

Yes, even if I’ve been a security guard at least 100 times (we really don’t have guarded parking lots. Everyone parks on the street) this will not change the fact of your ignorance. I can poke the bass with my nose into your own ... ignorance.

Quote: yushch

LeClerk can be called a Ferrari among tanks

And this tells me the instance stating that due to the layout of the engine, heat flows prevent air from aiming and you have to take the barrel to the side for aimed shooting, and bridges do not hold its weight, but the most interesting thing is that 17 more experts agree with him. The site has evolved to a site for shkolota.

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Why is the Beetle worse than a Ferrari?

To everyone. I am changing my Beetle to your Ferrari.

Quote: tomket

Campaign you yourself did not understand what you said) It is the prevalence that is the success criterion)

Right Zaporozhets was more common than Rawls-Royce, which means in your opinion more successful.

Quote: aksakal

Any THINKING buyer here will make a choice, and it’s clear which one.

Yeah. Anyone who can afford a Range Rover will buy a Niva, as they are rich and sane.

[Professor]

Quote: yushch

Poke your nose into your unwashed "ignorance" if, of course, not a respected specialist in "ignorance" can reach it.

Is the school vacation?
As promised, I poke your nose.

1. Merkava shoots despite the fact that due to the layout of the engine, heat flows prevent air from aiming and you have to take the barrel to the side for aimed shooting

second Lebanese


Gaza

2. Yes, and bridges do not hold its weight

[Ahmed]

Quote: yushch

Please tell us, Comrade Hamlo, about how a combat toilet toilet constantly fails due to hot air from a working engine ...

So you are not tired of repeating stupidity after other amateurs? The engine is not under the barrel, but under the front armored influx of the tower, the engine cover is insulated + thick armor above it + forced heat removal to the right (together with the exhaust).

Quote: yushch

... about its stealth and visibility in thermal imagers ...

No more than any tank. Plus, it has an exhaust dispersion system (like a combat helicopter).

Quote: yushch

... tell us about the front centering of your combat toilet, which, when fired, creates large longitudinal vibrations due to which the possibility of re-aiming is greatly complicated ...

Have you heard about stabilizing systems?

Quote: yushch

... that in movement, the shooting is mainly carried out with the rotation of the tower ...

Excuse me, do you have eyes from where?

Quote: yushch

... thereby substituting a lateral projection under the blow, which hezboll perfectly demonstrated to you ...

Have Hezbollah already got tanks?
Hezbollah attacked with ATGMs from ambushes, usually on higher ground along expensive, that is initially on board.

[yushch]

You are just writing nonsense here. You wrote nonsense on almost all of the points listed by you. And I didn’t ask you the question, unless of course you are from the support group of the “best” in the world of the Israeli military-industrial complex. And by the way, you do not need to advertise this combat toilet again , which is only intended for warfare in the desert.

[Ahmed]

Quote: yushch

Nonsense just you write here.

And in photographs and video - the fruit of a collective imagination.

Quote: yushch

For almost all of the items you listed, you wrote nonsense.

I did not "write", I clearly showed, these are two big differences. Are you having difficulty processing visual information?

Quote: yushch

unless of course you are from the support group of the "best" in the world of the Israeli military-industrial complex

I am from the fight against stubborn hat-throwers.

Quote: yushch

And by the way, do not once again advertise this combat toilet ...

Does it cause cramping?



You at least one clearly substantiated there is a counterargument? Or do you assert your right to look ridiculous while showing your incompetence?

[Professor]

Quote: Ahmed

Do you have at least one clearly substantiated counterargument? Or do you assert your right to look ridiculous while showing your incompetence?

Komrad is no longer capable. Do not waste time on it. Mucked up a branch.

Quotation: blooded man

CAN YOU REFUT OR ONLY TROLL YOURSELF?

Disprove what? Is this nonsense? Show all the bridges and interchanges that exist in Israel and the fact that not one of them fell apart under the weight of a tank trailer?

Quotation: blooded man

In military matters, yes.

No dear. MiG-21 will always be more common than the PAK FA (T-50), but it is not successful. The T-34 was stamped much more than the T-72 and so on.

[yushch]

Once again, I do not seriously pay attention to clowns like you. Photos and videos can always be picked up in the right angle. My questions are general answers that do not explain anything, but with a bunch of sloppy photos. A photo with a tank bridge for crossing ditches is generally enchanting bullshit. And yes, when I was young, I drove such "fighters with stubborn shaper-throwers" in herds to drink.

[Professor]

Quote: yushch

I didn’t write anything about collapsed bridges.

Quote: yushch

, and bridges do not hold its weight

Quote: yushch

Please tell us, Comrade Hamlo, about how a combat toilet toilet constantly fails due to hot air from a working engine and, accordingly, about its stealth and visibility in thermal imagers

Children's delirium.

Quote: yushch

And also, comrade specialist, tell us about the front centering of your combat toilet, which when shooting creates large longitudinal vibrations due to which the possibility of re-aiming is greatly complicated, as a result of which the real rate of fire drops by two to three times

Continued delirium.

Quote: yushch

Tell us that in the movement shooting is mainly carried out with the rotation of the tower, thereby substituting the side projection under the impact,

I have already shown the video. He who has eyes, let him see.

Quote: yushch

that hezboll perfectly demonstrated to you when you climbed to Lebanon again.

Children's delirium.

[yushch]

The parking guard is indignant !!!

[MIXAN]

Quote: yushch

You are a brazen liar!

Do not insult the professor ...! Such do not lie ... (and be courteous in the future .. )

[co-creator]

Is that a bridge? ) Although Maybe you have in the wild this is the bridge))

[Ahmed]

Quotation: blooded man

Is that a bridge? ) Although Maybe you have in the wild this is the bridge))

Do not get into the bottle, you should not even begin to compare the quality and manufacturability of the Israeli road infrastructure with the quality of the Russian one, a big embarrassment will come out.

[co-creator]

Quote: Ahmed

don't even start comparing the quality and manufacturability of the Israeli road infrastructure with the quality of the Russian one, the embarrassment will come out great.

It is worth reading the comment thread from the very beginning and understand what the conversation is about. Minus.

[co-creator]

Quote: professor

, and bridges do not hold its weight,

CAN YOU REFUT OR ONLY TROLL YOURSELF?

The rest is generally very thick and boring.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: professor

Quote: yushch

Compare your armored toilet with a Ferrari is cool, you are not respected from modesty will not die.

And you are from intelligence. In your opinion, the main criterion for success is prevalence. The Volkswagen Beetle is much more common than a Ferrari.
Learn the materiel. About engine heat and about bridges and about gas contamination.

Why is the Beetle worse than a Ferrari? The fact that under the same road conditions and without a service, the creation of Ferdinand Porsche will travel more than 10 km., And the Italian will catch a wedge at half this distance?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

The site has evolved to a site for shkolota

Eh .... Oleg ....
Grayness rules the world ...

[tomket]

Quote: professor

And you are from intelligence. In your opinion, the main criterion for success is prevalence. The Volkswagen Beetle is much more common than a Ferrari.

Campaign you yourself did not understand what you said) It is the prevalence that is the success criterion). For example. Barmaid Rochelle is far more successful than librarian Sarah. Although Sarochka is prettier, nevertheless, Rochel is more accessible, and therefore more successful).

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

And you are from intelligence. In your opinion, the main criterion for success is prevalence. The Volkswagen Beetle is much more common than a Ferrari.

- I don't know about a Ferrari and a beetle, but they compared Range Rover and the good old Soviet "Niva". So, from an engineering point of view, from a consumer point of view, the Niva turned out better ... From an engineering point of view, you try to develop a car in strictly agreed sizes and create a good off-road vehicle in a very tight budget (severe limitation of the cost of a car) Soviet engineers did it. It is much easier to create a car from any materials, of any size and in the absence of any price level limitation - no matter how expensive it turns out, there will be a buyer)))). And your vaunted Range turned out to be so. Yes, the consumer may dream about the Range Rover, but when it comes to buying ... They prefer the "Niva". Moreover, we discussed these two jeeps due to the fact that in Germany (this is in a well-fed and prosperous Germany) three years ago "Niva" entered somewhere in the top three, or even in first place among the best-selling cars. Dreams are dreams, but why pay 10 times more to arrive from point A to point B with acceptable comfort? Any SANE-MINDED buyer will make a choice here, and it is clear which one.
The story is exactly the same with tanks. And the above analogies with jeeps are exactly the same. And let's compare correctly. Tank T-72 of the 70s of development. "The same" Merkava "formally the same years, but it has changed so great since then that it is appropriate to talk about completely different" Merkavas ". The first" Merkavas "even had a gun of some other caliber, not to mention the appearance and I am not saying anything about the Leclerc. It is appropriate to compare the Leclerc with the T-90. And the T-72 has practically not changed, but really only modernized. So, for its years this is a very good tank. I would not be afraid the words "a masterpiece of tank building" for its time "

[yushch]

Quote: aksakal

Quote: professor

And you are from intelligence. In your opinion, the main criterion for success is prevalence. The Volkswagen Beetle is much more common than a Ferrari.

- I don't know about a Ferrari and a beetle, but they compared Range Rover and the good old Soviet "Niva". So, from an engineering point of view, from a consumer point of view, the Niva turned out better ... From an engineering point of view, you try to develop a car in strictly agreed sizes and create a good off-road vehicle in a very tight budget (severe limitation of the cost of a car) Soviet engineers did it. It is much easier to create a car from any materials, of any size and in the absence of any price level limitation - no matter how expensive it turns out, there will be a buyer)))). And your vaunted Range turned out to be so. Yes, the consumer may dream about the Range Rover, but when it comes to buying ... They prefer the "Niva". Moreover, we discussed these two jeeps due to the fact that in Germany (this is in a well-fed and prosperous Germany) three years ago "Niva" entered somewhere in the top three, or even in first place among the best-selling cars. Dreams are dreams, but why pay 10 times more to arrive from point A to point B with acceptable comfort? Any SANE-MINDED buyer will make a choice here, and it is clear which one.
The story is exactly the same with tanks. And the above analogies with jeeps are exactly the same. And let's compare correctly. Tank T-72 of the 70s of development. "The same" Merkava "formally the same years, but it has changed so great since then that it is appropriate to talk about completely different" Merkavas ". The first" Merkavas "even had a gun of some other caliber, not to mention the appearance and I am not saying anything about the Leclerc. It is appropriate to compare the Leclerc with the T-90. And the T-72 has practically not changed, but really only modernized. So, for its years this is a very good tank. I would not be afraid the words "a masterpiece of tank building" for its time "

Regarding Niva, a comrade, not a respected professor, apparently does not know how many of them are sold in Britain and are bought by farmers, because they themselves say that you can fix it yourself in the field, and you can not fix the Range in the field on your own. The Range is generally rare, after eight months of operation, I got a radiator for cooling the engine, and when I asked the service why, I was told that they had a disease. Yes, and so on, it’s been trivial for the first year to drive this service into a miracle .

[Professor]

Quote: yushch

Regarding Niva, a comrade, not a respected professor, apparently does not know how many of them are sold in Britain and are bought by farmers, because they themselves say that you can fix it yourself in the field, and you can not fix the Range in the field on your own.

Shkolota, look at the statistics of car sales in Britain:
http://www.rmif.co.uk/associations/nfda/reports-and-publications/new-car-sales-f
igures /
Find Niva there.

[co-creator]

Quote: professor

In your opinion, the main criterion for success is prevalence.

In military matters, yes.

[Ahmed]

Quote: yushch

armored toilet ...

The hat is of course a formidable weapon, but I don’t think that you would want to meet this "toilet bowl" in a tank duel. Especially sitting in the T-72.

[Ahmed]

Quote: yushch

True, due to the layout of the engine, heat flows prevent air from aiming and you have to take the barrel to the side for aimed shooting ...

Someone once froze stupidity - and everyone repeats like parrots.

[tchoni]

Quote: professor

Yeah, air conditioning now turns out to be a protection against TOW or Javelin. There is kondishin, there is no concussion. They didn’t put kondishin-concussion.

Laughter, laughter, and the flow of the shock wave has not been canceled.
And about the review - there is some truth, only the hatch design is not very suitable for this. Ideally, it should be moving sideways.
And the secret, most likely, is to rinse off quickly.

[activator]

Quote: tchoni

The secret, most likely, is to rinse off quickly.

most likely yes because among the acquaintances who got into the atom the most nutty tanker began to see the armor of a sense of security does not add.

[Shuttle]

Quote: professor

Yeah, air conditioning now turns out to be a protection against TOW or Javelin. There is kondishin, there is no concussion. They didn’t put kondishin-concussion.

Yes, absolutely right. In the Syrian climate - no doubt yes.

Quote: professor

With an open hatch, a better overview is the whole secret. Well, almost all.

Uncle professor, you just do not make me laugh, please. Huh?
When the tank shoots from cover or, as in this video from a fortified height, then a circular view is not required. Rather, even the opposite. In such positional battles, both the gunner and the tank commander use the standard optical means of the tank. And in fact, and in another case, these things are more convenient than any binoculars.
In addition, based on your version, then both hatches are probably open, so that both crew members in the tower observe when they lean out of the hatch ?! Schaz !! Already two times!
Just bang once from a cannon with an open hatch. Even with one. Get your own experience and tell us everything. If this is not possible, then listen to those who already have such experience.

Quote: professor

Due to the location of the ejector in Soviet tanks, the gas contamination of the combat compartment is greater than in the bourgeois ones.

I was not in the bourgeois tanks. However, what do you think is wrong with our ejector?

By the way, about gas contamination. Due to the fact that on the very, very tank of the most-most bourgeois, it is precisely a unitary projectile with a partially combustible sleeve that is used (just like we still have a small pallet), they could not create a sane automatic loader. And so they have a special crew member feeding the gun. And that is why the red-hot pan remains in the tower. And that is why the Yankees shoot with open hatches. Almost always. Because otherwise they will die from the stench of pallets.

[Professor]

Quote: Shuttle

Yes, absolutely right. In the Syrian climate - no doubt yes.

I'm bastard with you. What are you still pushing into Syria bullshit without kondishina? What did you fill the entire Caucasus and the TurkMO with bullshit tanks without air conditioning? How many air-conditioned tanks are you currently armed with?

Quote: Shuttle

Uncle professor, you just do not make me laugh, please. Huh?
When the tank shoots from cover or, as in this video from a fortified height, then a circular view is not required. Rather, even the opposite. In such positional battles, both the gunner and the tank commander use the standard optical means of the tank. And in fact, and in another case, these things are more convenient than any binoculars.

Auntie Shuttle, what are you talking about? Ask Kahalani how he filled a bunch of Syrian tanks in which these pieces are more convenient than any binoculars.

Quote: Shuttle

I was not in the bourgeois tanks. However, what do you think is wrong with our ejector?

Location He was placed there at the expense of the crew and for the sake of ballistics.

Quote: Shuttle

they could not create a sane automatic loader

Have you tried?

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

What are you still pushing into Syria bullshit without kondishina?

- dear, the desire of the client is the law for the manufacturer. Buyers want to save on this - for God's sake.

Quote: professor

What did you fill the entire Caucasus and the TurkMO with bullshit tanks without air conditioning? How many air-conditioned tanks are you currently armed with?

- Have you heard the saying that war is not a resort? Have you also heard that the Charter says "To endure the hardships and deprivations of military service", to which being inside a tank in hot weather refers? Let's not forget that these tanks were created when the production of air conditioners themselves did not reach the same level of development as it is now, and therefore the condenders themselves were perceived as luxury items. By the time I started working, air conditioners - they were then called "Baku" - were only at the very first boss and his first deputy, no one else had them. What are the conduits in the tank at that time? What are you talking about? In general, according to the Soviet doctrine, a tank can live on the battlefield for a few hours, but here such a deficit is installed in a tank!
But times are changing. In those years, I could smoke right behind my workplace, now I need to smoke not just go outside, but still have to go to a special area. And Conders are in any office in all rooms, in the other two. That's how times have changed. And why are you here demanding something demanding, based on the requirements of the present time, for the situation that was relevant for that time and which simply did not have time to change? The Russian army is very large, the replacement of weapons has been going on for years, but nonetheless it is going on.
So there will be conders in the Russian army. They, the Conders, are generally installed by default in "Armata" as an integral attribute of the tank, so they will replace tanks in the Caucasus and Turkvo with Armata, then you can ask slyly about Conders in tanks))))

[Professor]

Quote: aksakal

Dear customer, the desire is the law for the manufacturer. Buyers want to save on this - for God's sake.

Come on you. What wish? What is the saving? They get these tanks for free, and about the air conditioner, show me at least someone who would voluntarily give up this charm.

Quote: aksakal

Have you heard the saying that war is not a resort? Have you also heard that the Charter says "To endure the hardships and deprivations of military service", to which being inside a tank in hot weather refers?

Have you heard about the crew’s combat readiness?

Quote: aksakal

Do not forget as well, these tanks were created when the production of the air conditioners themselves did not reach such development as they are now, and therefore the condors themselves were perceived as luxury goods.

No. In the government limousines of the USSR (including the Minister of Defense), air conditioners were very long ago. Conder on Merkava since the 80s.

Quote: aksakal

In general, according to the Soviet doctrine, a tank can live on the battlefield in a matter of hours, and then such a deficit is established in the tank!

Minutes In this you are right. Why spend money on supplies?

Quote: aksakal

they’ll replace the tanks in the Caucasus and Turkvo with Armata, then you can echidnenko ask about Conder in tanks))))

In the meantime, let the tankers soar.

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

Come on you. What wish? What is the saving?

It’s not tankers who themselves buy, which then ride in these tanks Specially trained specialists buy for them, and they considered Conder to be an excessive luxury.

Quote: professor

No. In the government limousines of the USSR (including the Minister of Defense), air conditioners were very long ago. Conder on Merkava since the 80s

- Surprised by something? This is understandable, the first mobile phones were there, when in the West they didn’t even hear about mobile communications With Merkava, I’m also not surprised, with your shortage of soldiers, when even women are being called up for military service, it was strange if you had not shown at least some concern for your fighters. Nevertheless, in these 70-80s, the Conder was in great shortage, and we desperately envied the boss, who had installed the BK-2500 by any means.

Quote: professor

In the meantime, let the tankers soar

- not deadly. I didn’t bathe in the tank, but I was breathing in disgusting things like fuel (I suspect he was heptyl) and an oxidizing agent, since I served on the S-200 air defense system — and nothing, pah-pah-pah, I’m alive, healthy, and even sometimes make trips to where it should not (may my wife not read it). But in general, when I go to the bathhouse and look there at the men sitting for hours in the steam room (at 120 degrees and above! This is when you can’t even breathe on yourself, burn!) - I’m sure that it’s definitely not fatal in the tank, you can fight. Therefore, open hatches are still more of a whim and a lack of military discipline than a decrease in combat effectiveness. Although in our time, I partially agree with you - given the current availability of Conders, they are almost obliged to be in the tank. But I repeat - I agree with you, adjusted for the current time.

[Professor]

Quote: aksakal

It’s not the tankers themselves who buy, which then ride in these tanks For them, they are bought by specially trained specialists, who considered Conder to be an excessive luxury.

No one is buying. They are supplied for free.

Quote: aksakal

This is understandable, the first mobile phones were there, when in the West they didn’t even hear about mobile communications

No, it is not. Scoop here lagged behind.

Quote: aksakal

Nevertheless, in these 70-80s Conder was a big deficit

In the scoop, everything was a deficit.

Quote: aksakal

not deadly

Deadly. Exhausted suicide bombers.

[73bor]

Yes, it’s not even a matter of stuffiness and gas pollution, during the war experienced tankers always tied the hatch covers with a trouser belt in the half-open position, overpressure was released when the cumulative hit, jump out faster, sometimes the hatches jammed when the shell hit!

[Cat man null]

Quote: alpamys

tankers, what does this mean?

This means that the hatches of the commander and gunner are open. Well, even though MV is not sitting in a marching manner, and then thank God ..

I do not see any deep meaning in this ("dispersion of the cumulative jet" and other nonsense - do not suggest). Hot? Yah? Is it hot for the locals?

I do not believe (s)

Local gouging, IMHO. It came from drovers of camels, inherited. No more.

[Pereira]

It was read that in the tank battles of 67 of the year, open hatches were called one of the success factors of Israeli tankers, which provided a better view than the Egyptians.

[hartlend]

It was heard that in our tank guns in Egypt the upper part of the barrel was heating up and the barrel was corny. After that war they took action. Well, the Arabs are still warriors. Here are two more secrets to the success of the Israelis.

[alpamys]

Quote: hartlend

It was heard that in our tank guns in Egypt the upper part of the barrel was heating up and the barrel was corny. After that war they took action. Well, the Arabs are still warriors. Here are two more secrets to the success of the Israelis.

So this is not a secret for metalworkers at all, when heated to 20 degrees, metal expansion begins (a person’s palm also has about 20 grams), the longer the part, the greater the curvature.

[max702]

Quote: Pereira

It was read that in the tank battles of 67 of the year, open hatches were called one of the success factors of Israeli tankers, which provided a better view than the Egyptians.

The fact of the matter is that no one can call the enemy of the Israelis in any way, you can fight with such military men with open hatches, but if the enemy were stronger that you would use artillery, mortars, aircraft and other things, all the hatches would be closed ..
RS: By the way, the myth about the wretchedness of observation devices in Soviet tanks of the Great Patriotic War is very widespread, which is absolutely wrong, we all remember that German tankers were constantly sticking out of hatches .. Here is a link to an article where sights of Soviet and German tanks are analyzed in great detail http://otvaga2004.ru/tanki/tanki-concept/suo-sovetskix-i-nemeckix-tankov/

[Cat man null]

UPD: about "hot": if 30 degrees is hot for locals, then I'm a phone booth ..

[Forest]

Not that it’s hot, but from firing there can be wild gas contamination.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Forest

from shooting wild gas contamination may be

The ejector on the cannon (there is) + the blower (the hatches are closed !! otherwise "it will not pump"), + FVU (the filtering unit, there is also) - and forget about the "gas contamination".

Everything in the tank is .. very thoughtful, believe me, the car

[donavi49]

This means that if an ATGM or heavy RPG arrives - without even breaking through the armor, everyone in the tank will be well hit by a stiff wave. Well - this is a minimum of shell shock.

On the other hand, losing consciousness from the heat is also not a good alternative. Here and ATGM or RPG is not required.

[rpek32]

Quote: alpamys

tankers, what does this mean?

if they were in the t-90 with a curtain and shot at the tank with a rocket, the curtain would not work. she has a lock when the hatch is open.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I’m not a tanker, but while serving in Chechnya I heard from many people that hatches on tanks, armored personnel carriers were always kept open so that when a cumulative grenade hit, there was no excessive pressure inside ... They say this helped, there were cases when the T-62 withstood 12 hits and stayed on track with a live crew ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I heard from many people that hatches on tanks and armored personnel carriers were always kept open, so that when a cumulative grenade hit, there was no excessive pressure inside

It is a myth. About excess pressure, I mean.

But the fact that open hatches greatly contribute to the defeat of the crew by the shock wave (the so-called leakage) is just the truth.

Here is a simple article "on the topic", those who wish can familiarize themselves: http://www.saper.etel.ru/mines-4/kumul-effekt-2.html

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Thanks for the information...

[Now we are free]

We thank Syria and personally Bashar al-Assad for the provided landfill ...
But seriously, where else can you test the "Hunter" in the most, that neither is the BATTLE conditions? The cannon and the "Bears" the Apache cannon is in no way comparable to the 2A42, but the ammunition load (in my opinion is very small) is 300 rounds versus 1000-1200 for the Apache ... Why am I focusing on the cannon ammunition? It is the cannon in such hostilities that is the main weapon of the helicopter, which is confirmed by the video with the "Apaches" where they, hovering at a distance of 2-3 km from the concentration of the militants / "Tachanok" / AFV militants, shoot them from a safe distance. At the same time, very expensive ATGMs are not wasted and it is not necessary to approach medium / close range for a massed "Boom-Zuma" with volleys of NURSs.
I really hope that the developers of the MI-28 will be able to increase the ammunition load of the 30 mm gun of the "Night Hunter".
We wish good luck to the helicopter pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces and to adequately take the baton from the Air Force Bombers.

[Forest]

Apache has an excellent cannon with very powerful shells that any tank, except Merkava, can knock down in the stern.

[dauria]

where they hovering at a distance of 2-3 km from the concentration of the militants' manpower / "Tachanok" / armored combat vehicles of the militants shoot them from a safe distance.

Well, not for this the Mi-28 was made, but for the war. One where the enemy has air defense of the ground forces and aviation, including army.

[max702]

The MI-28 has a decent gun, there are problems with accuracy because it stands on the nose, that is, far from the center of mass of the helicopter, and therefore it is physically impossible to ensure accuracy after the first shots .. The KA-52 does not have such a problem and, as a result, the accuracy is higher (figure by The tests are 2.7–4.6 times more accurate than MI-28) I hope that we will see them in practice .. And I sincerely hope that they take care of normal high-quality video, if not through sights using a camera mounted on board a helicopter ..

[ksv36]

the tanks used by the Syrian army to fight international terrorist forces are again moving with open hatches.

It's hot there ...

[Professor]

Quote: ksv36

It's hot there ...

Yeah, +10 degrees Celsius at 13:44.
Maison de l'Escargot

4.3 ° C at night. Heat.

[Lex.]

4.3 ° C at night. Heat-And you did not notice the Professor that there is a desert and they fight mostly in the afternoon and if hamsins temperature rises for 30

[Professor]

Quote: Lex.

4.3 ° C at night. Heat-And you did not notice the Professor that there is a desert and they fight mostly in the afternoon and if hamsins temperature rises for 30

During the day they fight for a completely different reason - lack of NVD.

[Mavrikiy]

"The tanks used by the Syrian army to fight the international terrorist forces are again moving with their hatches open."
You will teach them how to fight correctly? And they have combat experience. By the way, find out about the presence of Conders and their reliability. And I beg you not to rush to order.

[lelikas]

Quote: Mavrikiy

You will teach them how to fight correctly? And they have combat experience. By the way, find out about the presence of Conders and their reliability. And I beg you not to rush to order.

Yeah, and in the summer it’s hot in a helmet and armor, well, wear them ...

[vanavatny]

rushed to the video: not everyone still cried about the withdrawal of troops and the discharge of Syria

[Dimon19661]

ZSU in a jeep is cool. Is it interesting with such a buildup of recoil that they generally get somewhere? Or is it shooting at squares?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Dimon19661

ZSU in a jeep is cool. Is it interesting with such a buildup of recoil that they generally get somewhere? Or is it shooting at squares?

With ZSU it’s generally shooting at sparrows. Yes, cool. But it’s better to shoot solo, sometimes you can get there.

[spech]

Taking into account the raised dust precisely on the areas.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: spech

precisely on the areas.

I would say shooting "there".

[Kudrevkn]

Who will tell you. Where did the "gray wolf" Chegirlik, recently caught by the Syrians, go? who shot our hero pilot Oleg Peshkov? Maybe they have already made a scarecrow out of it and now they carry it around the bazaars of Syria - they scare terrorists?

[Fregate]

There was such information. Are there any photo or video evidence? I personally have not seen.

[VNP1958PVN]

For

Video of the combat use of the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" helicopter

the title is too loud. Here it is wider, deeper, more precisely.
https://youtu.be/r5Fg14RUGG4

[rubidium]

That seems to be the first video of the KA-52 from Syria.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: rubidiy

That seems to be the first video of the KA-52 from Syria.

The video may be the first, but it’s not the first day that flies along the Jeblah coast

[doework]

Good luck to our air fighters, no matter what they flew, even the Tu-160 or the maize!
And so that the technique does not fail!

[Taygerus]

Good luck to our Syrians and give GOD without loss!

[sdc_alex]

Good luck to our Syrians!

[avg-mgn]

HUNTERS successful hunt !!!

[demiurg]

Quote: KudrevKN

Who will tell you. Where did the "gray wolf" Chegirlik, recently caught by the Syrians, go? who shot our hero pilot Oleg Peshkov? Maybe they have already made a scarecrow out of it and now they carry it around the bazaars of Syria - they scare terrorists?

Shod in a basin with cement, at the bottom of a deep toilet. The public does not need to show this, children and all that, but the gray wolves themselves are surely brought up with details.

Quote: professor

Quote: Shuttle

Due to the lack of air conditioning, tankers put themselves at great risk when working with open hatches. They can easily get shell shock if any TOW or Javelin arrives.

Yeah, air conditioning now turns out to be a protection against TOW or Javelin. There is kondishin, there is no concussion. They didn’t put kondishin-concussion.
With an open hatch, a better overview is the whole secret. Well, almost all. Due to the location of the ejector in Soviet tanks, the gas contamination of the combat compartment is greater than in the bourgeois ones.

Something in the Gaza Strip Merkava during special operations with closed hatches ride, probably do not know about visibility.

[Professor]

Quote: demiurg

Something in the Gaza Strip Merkava during special operations with closed hatches ride, probably do not know about visibility.

Yah? You are a big specialist. Which regiment served?

PS
Tell us how a tank commander in Gaza died from sniper fire?

[Ahmed]

Quote: demiurg

Something in the Gaza Strip Merkava during special operations with closed hatches ride, probably do not know about visibility.

On the "Merkava" observation / IR cameras are stuck at 360 degrees, which is absent on the T-72 \ T-90. (only they started to put on Armata).

[stranik]

"Night Hunter" shoots "Nursa".

[kit-kat]

These are the hunters to my liking.

[demiurg]

Quote: professor

Quote: demiurg

Something in the Gaza Strip Merkava during special operations with closed hatches ride, probably do not know about visibility.

Yah? You are a big specialist. Which regiment served?

PS
Tell us how a tank commander in Gaza died from sniper fire?

I am a sofa corporal. All that I see, like you, is only news. Or have you been in the Gaza Strip for leverage?
And I don’t remember the shots of Israeli tankmen with binoculars on the battlefield.

[Professor]

1. Answer please under the comment. This is more comfortable.
2. I am not a couch fighter and have combat experience. By the fact that here I judge not only from the news. And I remember tankers with binoculars well. My colleagues served and fought in tanks, my brother-in-law tank commander Merkava, my colleague’s brother died because of sticking out of the tank, in the last operation the tank commander died from a sniper bullet for the same reason. In YouTube there is a video of his death and I will not upload this video. This is a dirty business I leave the Persian padded jacket.

[Chisayna]

Tell us about your combat experience, enlighten us, where, when, and in which conflict you acquired your BATTLE EXPERIENCE. I, in turn, will share mine, but after you.

[ydjin]

Quote: professor

1. Answer please under the comment. This is more comfortable.
2. I am not a couch fighter and have combat experience. By the fact that here I judge not only from the news. And I remember tankers with binoculars well. My colleagues served and fought in tanks, my brother-in-law tank commander Merkava, my colleague’s brother died because of sticking out of the tank, in the last operation the tank commander died from a sniper bullet for the same reason. In YouTube there is a video of his death and I will not upload this video. This is a dirty business I leave the Persian padded jacket.

Interestingly, do Israeli quilted jackets exist?

[Professor]

Quote: ydjin

Interestingly, do Israeli quilted jackets exist?

Of course. In Israel, everything is there.

Quote: demiurg

1. Answer please under the comment. This is more comfortable.

Quote: demiurg

And then the point is in the network centric, communications, a bunch of surveillance cameras, a phone on the tank’s ass? Is binoculars, even good, better than a modern tank sight?

Situational awareness is never excessive. In addition to the rear-view camera, there are other monitoring devices on the tank including additional video cameras, but nothing will replace the tanker's eye. There is such an option:

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The professor always wanted to know, why on the Merkava, balls hang on chains in the back of the tower? Decor or is there a practical application?

[Ahmed]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

... I always wanted to know, why on the Mercava behind the tower on the chains dangling balls? Decor or is there a practical application? ...

Additional protection against RPGs and other ammunition with a cumulative charge. Once in the circuit, the charge detonates \ deforms \ deviates (as lucky).
And the balls themselves for weight - to extinguish the swinging of the chains when moving and create the proper tension when hit by a star (for elasticity).
The Syrians also began to "indulge in this", appreciated the idea.

[Professor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The professor always wanted to know, why on the Merkava, balls hang on chains in the back of the tower? Decor or is there a practical application?

IHMO decor. The weight of the chains themselves is quite enough for their tension, and these hollow ones rummaged.
From a personal photo album. Made at the request of Kars.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do the chains themselves provide any protection against cumulative ammunition or not? I saw the rollers as an RPG grenade pushes metal strips of a DZ grating and hacks through armor anyway, and the chains do not seem to be an obstacle for a cumulative ammunition at all ... Correct if I'm mistaken ...

[Pate]

Since the Mi-28 in Syria was shown at work, the Ka-52 will also be shown.

[demiurg]

Quote: professor

1. Answer please under the comment. This is more comfortable.
2. I am not a couch fighter and have combat experience. By the fact that here I judge not only from the news. And I remember tankers with binoculars well. My colleagues served and fought in tanks, my brother-in-law tank commander Merkava, my colleague’s brother died because of sticking out of the tank, in the last operation the tank commander died from a sniper bullet for the same reason. In YouTube there is a video of his death and I will not upload this video. This is a dirty business I leave the Persian padded jacket.

Sorry, didn’t know.
But I really didn’t see the tankmen ride with open hatches. I don’t take into account striped boobies in front of TV cameras, even on all videos where abrams are burned, hatches are battened down.
And then the point is in the network centric, communications, a bunch of surveillance cameras, a phone on the tank’s ass? Is binoculars, even good, better than a modern tank sight?

[Professor]

Quote: demiurg

But I really didn’t see the tankmen ride with open hatches.

Hatches, binoculars and everyday life.


Gaza

[brr1]

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