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From the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf?

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Iran is trying to "reanimate" the old project: the construction of a shipping canal almost 700 km long, which will connect the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf. To launch the project, approximately 10 billion are required. The project will pay off within five years of operation (according to other data, not earlier than in 7 years). This project is also interesting for Russia, since the new route to the Indian Ocean will be twice as short as the route through the Turkish straits and the Suez Canal and will become an alternative to the existing route through the Bosphorus - Dardanelles - Suez Canal and the Red Sea. It must be remembered that relations between Russia and Turkey are not experiencing a better period.


From the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf?


Candidate of Economic Sciences Alexey Chichkin on the site "Military Industrial Courier" recalls that the Caspian-Persian Gulf shipping canal project was developed by Russian engineers in 1889-1892. The proposed route would provide the shortest way for Russia to the Indian Ocean basin, and the Turkish straits Bosporus and Dardanelles would become unnecessary for this.

“The appearance of the project was prompted by the collective refusal of England, France, Austria-Hungary and Germany to support the Russian 1878 proposals for the Bosporus and the Dardanelles on the control of St. Petersburg over these straits and the deployment of its military bases along their coast.

The fact is that over half of Russia's foreign trade was carried out in this way. And it was precisely through him that the interventionists, supported by Turkey, repeatedly penetrated into the Black Sea and, accordingly, to the shores of the empire. ”


In 1908, negotiations were suspended: among other things, pressure from Istanbul and London contributed to Tehran. Then there was the First World War.

Further, under Stalin and later, both parties made several attempts to reanimate the project, but the implementation of the plans was hindered by one thing or another. In addition, the United States and NATO interfered with construction. The West has never rejoiced at the possible emergence of such a channel and is still not happy with it. In 1997, US anti-Iran sanctions did not accidentally spread to the specified project.

Today, let us add to this, when Turkey has spoiled relations with Russia, when President Erdogan behaves like a “neosultan”, which even NATO doesn’t approve of, the water alternative to the Turkish straits is important for Russia. After the lifting of sanctions, Iran can fully return to the old project. Only investment is needed.

On the other hand, experts note the likelihood of economic problems.

Reserve Colonel Oleg Antipov in 2012 said IA "REX"that the topic of the channel is very interesting for Russia and Iran, as well as for the countries of the region: India, China, Pakistan and others. However, in addition to the pressure of the United States, it is necessary to remember about the ecology:

“... we must remember about ecology. After all, the Caspian is below sea level, and it is bound to clog it with species of algae or even fish that are not peculiar to it. Then sturgeon and beluga come to an end. And traditional Russian black caviar will cease to please us even on big holidays. So you have to weigh everything before building this channel. And of course Iran needs to obtain the consent of all the countries of the Caspian basin before the construction of such a channel.

For me, the topic is dear, I nevertheless grew up in Baku on the Caspian coast, and I would like this pearl of nature to continue to delight our descendants, and not become a gutter. ”


In the same year 2012, political scientist Ilgar Velizade on the website "Iran.ru" reminded that Iran "never ceases to amaze with its plans." Among the latter, an expert named projects for the transfer of desalinated waters of the Caspian Sea to the central regions of the country and the construction of a shipping canal connecting the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf.

Velizadeh notes that the Framework Convention for the Protection of the Marine Environment of the Caspian Sea (the "Tehran Convention") was signed in Tehran in November 2003. Among the priority areas of the document is the theme of state cooperation in developing agreed measures to mitigate the effects of fluctuations in the level of the Caspian Sea. “I don’t think that Tehran will depart from its practice of carefully weighing all the pros and cons and take an irresponsible decision,” said the expert.

Iranian ecologist, professor Ismail Kahrom is skeptical of this project. According to him, 1 liter of water in the Caspian Sea contains 13 grams of salt. The use of such water for agricultural purposes is impossible, and it is not profitable to desalinate it.

According to the ecologist, there are no land suitable for agriculture in the Iranian province of Simnan and the central regions. The soil there is predominantly sandy and clayey, and with its abundant irrigation solonchaks can occur and the soil salinization process can be activated, that is, their final withdrawal from agricultural use.

Chichkin mentioned above has a different opinion.

“The Caspian-Persian Gulf shipping channel, which runs entirely through Iran, is capable of providing the shortest possible access to the Indian Ocean basin from the North Atlantic, Baltic, Black Sea-Azov, Danube and Volga-Caspian basins. Iran needs this route not only as a transport corridor, but also as a source of fresh water supply to the central arid regions of the country, ”the portal quotes it. “To lead. Economy".

The length of the shipping route under the project will be about 700 km, including along the river beds of northwestern and southwestern Iran, including the international Shatt al-Arab riverbed bordering Iraq (about 450 km). Investment is required in the amount of about 10 billion dollars. The new channel could provide both Russia and Iran with transit revenues (respectively 1,2-1,4 billion dollars and 1,4-1,7 billion dollars) from the third to fourth year of operation.

Azerbaijan believes that the idea of ​​the proposed channel is technically impracticable. An expert in the field of water management Ibrahim Mammadzade claims that the use of the Shatt al-Arab river in the project is highly questionable. “This river is far from being a navigable artery, like other rivers mentioned in the project,” he said. Utro.ru.

As for Russian politicians and experts, no comments have yet been received from them regarding the “reanimation” of the channel. In principle, the silence of the authorities is clear: in conditions of low oil prices and sanctions, the budget is emaciated, and the country's economy is going through bad times. In such conditions, large-scale investments for Moscow are hardly risen. Moreover, no matter how “tempting” it is to bypass Ankara with its “Sultan”, we are not talking about a quick return on investment. One must also remember the pressure of the West, which has long objected to such a project.

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  1. VP
    VP 29 March 2016 06: 04
    +14
    I doubt the reality. 700 km, including through the mountains ... What are there 10 billion, even if it is technically feasible
    1. midivan
      midivan 29 March 2016 06: 13
      +6
      knee-deep sea and mountains on the shoulder, if these 10 billion do not fall into the hands of our bigwigs and put at least one crane on duty on the bank of the canal construction as a duty overseer of corruption bully
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 29 March 2016 06: 17
        +7
        Yes, "Persian Truck Crane" is already a brand laughing A surprisingly practical thing ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 March 2016 08: 05
          +26
          This project is very profitable for Russia, only the West will lay its bones in order not to allow it to be implemented - that's on their "bones" and must be built. wink
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 29 March 2016 10: 58
            +16
            Quote: cniza
            This project is very profitable for Russia, only the West will lay its bones in order not to allow it to be implemented - that's on their "bones" and must be built. wink

            What is the benefit? Seichas is dependent on Turkey, and we will also talk about Iran. Today, Iran is a partner, and tomorrow a partner to the west and through this channel, NATO ships will sail.
            1. lukke
              lukke 29 March 2016 13: 19
              +8
              What is the benefit? Seichas is dependent on Turkey, and we will also talk about Iran. Today Iran is a partner, and tomorrow a partner to the west and on this channel NATO ships will sail
              Yes, and sturgeon feel sorry) ..
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            3. nikon7717
              nikon7717 29 March 2016 15: 51
              +6
              I disagree. There will be two ways. Competition arises. Tariffs for passing ships can be requested below. So? The blockade when entering the sea will decrease. Why is the West so not happy even to try the project? "In 1997, it was no coincidence that the US anti-Iranian sanctions extended to this project ..." and in 1997 the Russian Federation was very weak .. Why? or too great benefits from such friendship will receive the Russian Federation and Iran, will receive a new strategic route of sea delivery of goods from China and India to the EU, the BV and Asia. those. it is a new way of trade and a stimulus for the development of their economies regardless of the dictatorship of the United States and their currency.
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 29 March 2016 17: 03
                +5
                Quote: nikon7717
                I do not agree. There will be two ways. Competition arises. Tariffs for passage of vessels can be requested below. So?


                That's right. There is an alternative to the Bosphorus. Plus - Iran will not pull it alone - everything will be invested - and even the Caspian republics - it’s definitely profitable as well. Russia will invest more and it means that it will also have control over the channel.

                Quote: nikon7717
                And why is the West so not even happy about the project?


                The West (civilization of the sea) is interested in locking us all (land) and not giving access to the sea (remember how Peter 1 chopped up windows on the Black or the Baltic - had to fight)
                1. kuz363
                  kuz363 29 March 2016 18: 19
                  +1
                  Note. Passage through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles is free. Payment is taken only for pilotage. But on the Iranian channel, for sure, the payment will be considerable. Otherwise, how to recoup?
              2. co-creator
                co-creator 29 March 2016 21: 17
                +1
                Quote: nikon7717
                . There will be two ways. Competition arises. Tariffs for passage of vessels can be requested below.

                The Bosphorus is free, and the pilot is worth a penny. The channel will be paid. You can’t navigate a large displacement vessel through this channel, which means it will be unprofitable to carry many cargoes. The benefit is very doubtful especially for us, because we will still remain locked up.
                Quote: nikon7717
                Blockade when entering the sea will decrease

                There are no blockades and never will be. This is impossible without warriors.
                Quote: nikon7717
                . And why is the West so not even happy about the project?

                How do we know how they relate to him?
                Quote: nikon7717
                In 1997, the US anti-Iranian sanctions did not accidentally apply to this project as well .. "and in 1997 the Russian Federation was very weak .. Why?

                Because it is a sanction. They imposed them on all major projects. They are even worthless little people, they bring deputies under sanctions. What are they afraid of?
                Quote: nikon7717
                too great benefits from such friendship will be received by the Russian Federation and Iran, they will receive a new strategic route for the sea delivery of goods from China and India to the EU, BV and Asia. those. this is a new way of exchanging goods and stimulating the development of their economies, regardless of the dictatorship of the United States and their currency.

                You write as if the Russian Federation, China and India are pushing this project or want it. Apart from journalists and LJ authors, no one has expressed any interest in it. They cannot be made of this channel by Suez, let alone Panama. No one is interested in carrying small displacement vessels by world standards, and the United States will certainly not be able to rid them of the dictatorship.
              3. Rzzz
                Rzzz 24 October 2018 23: 22
                0
                What are the rates? The passage of the Bosphorus in transit is free, you pay only for control and lighthouse fees.
            4. Forever so
              Forever so 9 August 2016 11: 39
              0
              When one owns a resource, he is a monopolist and twists what he wants. But when two resources and two owners, then you can pinch them. That is, to play on contradictions and to blackmail lightly. Moreover, Iran and Turkey are unlikely to be friends. hi
          2. Shpagolom
            Shpagolom 29 March 2016 18: 19
            +4
            .... Please explain, presumably, what kind of cargo turnover can this undertaking count on?
            ... Even I do not believe in such a quick payback ... 7 years!
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        4. RUSS
          RUSS 29 March 2016 09: 56
          +11
          Quote: Observer 33
          Yes, "Persian Truck Crane" is already a brand laughing A surprisingly practical thing ...

          Are you talking about these "truck cranes" in Iran?
          1. Bacha
            Bacha 29 March 2016 12: 08
            +9
            About them the most))) A surprisingly effective anti-corruption method!
          2. sherp2015
            sherp2015 29 March 2016 13: 16
            +1
            Quote: RUSS

            Are you talking about these "truck cranes" in Iran?

            Quote: Bacha
            About them the most))) A surprisingly effective anti-corruption method!


            We really do not have enough tens of thousands of such "truck cranes" in terms of the number of corrupt officials, thieves and embezzlers
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 29 March 2016 17: 05
              +1
              But all the same, it looks like Western slander against Iran - the Western - primarily Amer’s media (primarily Bloomberg and Reuters) demonized Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and Assad, and so forth - by the way, in Russia too not weak walked
        5. DanSabaka
          DanSabaka 30 March 2016 08: 35
          0
          "Persian truck crane" is a useful and necessary thing not only in Persia .... And there is absolutely no need to build a canal ...
          Although the article says:
          under Stalin and later, both sides made several attempts to revive the project
          but this is nonsense ..... Stalin made no attempt to resuscitate the project but built this way. Not a canal, but a railroad track. And under Stalin, he functioned and along this path caravans with Lend-Lease from petty-britain and America regularly went to the USSR ....
    2. venaya
      venaya 29 March 2016 06: 19
      0
      Quote: VP
      What is there 10 billion, even if it is technically feasible

      Here, given the interest of the Iranian authorities in fresh water, most likely we are talking about the sea channel for passage of vessels with a small displacement. Then it is quite possible and not very large financial costs for the construction, this is quite logical. Whether it is beneficial to us or not, I believe that it is possible to some extent beneficial.
    3. Grbear
      Grbear 29 March 2016 06: 34
      +20
      Quote: VP
      I doubt the reality. 700 km, including through the mountains ... What are there 10 billion, even if it is technically feasible

      You can doubt the competence of modern "Bolognese" scientists, but if Russian scientists at the beginning of the last century said that "it is possible", then it is possible and necessary. 10 billion is not so much for two. We keep almost a hundred in amerskih debts, and how much is in foreign currency in the country - only God knows.

      Geopolitics, sir ... Iran is religious and independent, but there was Tehran-43, and then Iran was always adequate, albeit not very kind to the USSR. I would like to receive a "channel" to them. Erdogashi. hi
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 29 March 2016 09: 41
        -7
        But still
        After all, the Caspian is below sea level
        (world ocean), i.e. the problem of increasing the level of the Caspian Sea => flooding around (the minimum is the Caspian lowland (Astrakhan and the region) and others (part of half of Azerbaijan, ...) has not been canceled. (communicating vessels, I hope, everything went through at school)
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 29 March 2016 11: 02
          +25
          Quote: Pravdarm
          those. the problem of increasing the level of the Caspian Sea => flooding around (the minimum is the Caspian lowland (Astrakhan and the region) and others (part of half of Azerbaijan, ...) has not been canceled. (communicating vessels, I hope, everything passed at school)

          Yes, but no one forgot the lock system in hydraulic structures either)))
          1. Pravdarm
            Pravdarm 29 March 2016 11: 34
            -3
            This is clear. Still, it is more difficult to splash against such a "wind" as the world's oceans. And the required capacity (so to speak) of the gateway system will increase more and more.
            So the "unforeseen" expenses will go and 10-12 lard can start to grow by leaps and bounds, taking into account the proportionally growing desire of "sawers" from all sides.
          2. kuz363
            kuz363 29 March 2016 16: 16
            0
            But it’s not just gateways that prevent overflow from the oceans to the Caspian. We need powerful pumping stations to fill the upper locks. After all, the water then only moves down! And then already in both directions to other gateways, only by gravity.
          3. visitork67
            visitork67 30 March 2016 00: 52
            +1
            I even remember "From the Cannon to the Moon". Color card. Assess the elevation difference by turning on your head and close the bazaar.
        2. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 29 March 2016 11: 08
          +8
          those. the problem of increasing the level of the Caspian Sea => flooding around (the minimum is the Caspian lowland (Astrakhan and the region) and others (part of half of Azerbaijan, ...) has not been canceled. (communicating vessels, I hope, everything passed at school)
          I don’t think that the level will rise much, since the canal will have locks and a small influx can even stop the shallowing of the Caspian Sea currently under way. But migration of flora and fauna is quite possible.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 29 March 2016 12: 32
            0
            Quote: svd-xnumx
            those. the problem of increasing the level of the Caspian Sea => flooding around (the minimum is the Caspian lowland (Astrakhan and the region) and others (part of half of Azerbaijan, ...) has not been canceled. (communicating vessels, I hope, everything passed at school)
            I don’t think that the level will rise much, since the canal will have locks and a small influx can even stop the shallowing of the Caspian Sea currently under way. But migration of flora and fauna is quite possible.

            ====
            the main migration with ballast water - yes, but it is solvable, such as putting them ashore, but this is at will and additional costs.
        3. Alex von Dorn
          Alex von Dorn 29 March 2016 12: 52
          0
          My friend, there are concepts like gateways. I heard?
        4. faridg7
          faridg7 29 March 2016 12: 58
          +8
          Here about the communicating vessels is inappropriate here - the channel is not a pipe filled with liquid. According to your logic, the Caspian should have spilled over the Volga-Don canal long ago, because the Black Sea is higher than the Caspian. There is a gateway system for this. In addition (well, I'm certainly not an expert, but I studied well at school and in college), with such a difference in altitude, there can be no question of water from the Persian Gulf entering the Caspian, and even more so vice versa. Judging by the map, they plan to fill the canal with river waters - they are in any case higher than the level of the Persian Gulf and the Caspian, so there is no need to la-la for the ecology of the Caspian (this is more likely from the crafty Western "sworn friends" argument). The question here is whether there is enough water in these rivers to fill the canal? And as for the funds, our government financed the US economy for 88 lard of green American tugriks, and here only 10 are needed, in addition, it would be possible to handle debts more modestly, which we forgive left and right. For example, the debt was forgiven to Uzbekistan in order to be able to give it a loan again; here, against your will, you will repeat Lavrov word for word.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 March 2016 14: 49
            +4
            Quote: faridg7
            As for the funds, our government financed the US economy for 88 lard of green American Tugriks, and only 10 are needed here, in addition, it would be possible to handle debts more modestly, which we forgive left and right.

            Taking into account the fact that China and India are showing interest in the channel, the issue of financing can be brought to the BRICS. In this case, it will be more difficult for mattresses to insert sticks into the wheels of Russia. from the category of interests of the two "regional" powers, Russia and Iran, this project becomes international. For BRICS, this is a good chance to demonstrate their vitality and attractiveness. The BRICS authorized capital of $ 100 billion makes it possible to implement this project almost painlessly, ensuring proper control over the targeted spending of the allocated funds. In addition, collective participation will make it possible to develop such terms of an agreement on the use of the channel, which can exclude the possibility of one of the parties (countries) blocking the movement of ships, depending on the emerging geopolitical preferences.
            As for the cancellation of debts, here, it seems to me, there is mutual interest, when cancellation in essence means payment by the debtor of the interest of the creditor. Here, take the DPRK for example - of the 10 billion debt generated during the Soviet Union for the supply of arms, 9 were written off, and 1 billion remained as investments in their energy sector, and this 1 billion will be contributed by Korea.
            Hypothetically, there was a debt of 10 billion, which was not possible to recover due to the lack of funds from the debtor for another 100 years.
            In reality, Russia has not spent a single ruble (debt to the USSR), but has become entrenched in the DPRK energy sector with its share of 1 billion.
            What is there with the Uzbek debt did not delve into, but I think that it was also not written off for raisins.
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 29 March 2016 19: 09
              +2
              Well, here’s an interesting bookkeeping; 10 lard invested, they received a presence in the form of interest in 1 lard. And so with everyone and everywhere. We live widely, there is no need to be petty
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Real Russia did not spend a single ruble (debt to the USSR), but gained a foothold in the DPRK energy sector with its share of 1 billion

              It turns out that a debt for free appeared and the Russian peasant in the USSR was not hunched so that the state would have this money? In my opinion, everything goes too easily for our elite - they remind me very much of the Bunshu house manager with their attitude to the country.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 29 March 2016 19: 28
                +3
                Quote: faridg7
                It turns out that a debt for free appeared and the Russian peasant in the USSR was not hunched so that the state would have this money?

                How to say .. at one time the USSR (in pursuit of "building a world socialist system") gave out a lot of money. Basically, these were the so-called "bad debts", which no one obviously was going to pay off.

                It turned out even funnier with the DPRK - after the collapse of the Union, the Koreans declared that Russia was not the legal successor of the Union at all and, therefore, they owed nothing to the Russian Federation belay

                The story dragged on .. for a long time, finally agreed. Well, at least something.

                By the way, all these loans are, as a rule, not money, but food supplies (the State Reserve regularly renewed stocks ... taken from warehouses - it went as "fraternal aid"), weapons (not the newest, of course), etc.

                So, as I told you correctly Nyrobsky -

                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Real Russia did not spend a single ruble (debt to the USSR), but gained a foothold in the DPRK energy sector with its share of 1 billion

                And this is really not the worst option. Bunsha has nothing to do with it request
                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 30 March 2016 15: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Basically, these were the so-called "bad debts", which no one obviously was going to pay off.

                  The fact that such debts are written off is no longer a choice, of course. But if I know that they will not give me back, why will I give a loan? If I help for free, then this is called help, not credit or debt. if you give a loan to buy weapons at home (which is happening with Uzbekistan now), you need to figure out options for repaying the debt, and do not hope that either the donkey dies or the shah dies.
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  So, as Nyrobsky correctly told you -Quote: NyrobskyReally-Russia did not spend a single ruble (debt to the USSR), but consolidated its power in the DPRK with its share of 1 billion, and this is really not the worst option. Bunsha has nothing to do with it

                  Is there any confidence that Eun and his comrades will not send you with your share tomorrow with the forest? Well, the other day, they voted in the UN Security Council for sanctions against the DPRK for vigorous tests, and Eun would take it and impose his sanctions on all those who voted, well, so in the course of life?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 30 March 2016 15: 35
                    0
                    Quote: faridg7
                    But if I know that they will not give me back, why will I give a loan? If I help for free, then this is called help, not credit or debt. if you give a loan to buy weapons at home (what is happening with Uzbekistan now), then you need to figure out options for repaying the debt, and do not hope that either the donkey dies or the shah dies

                    You are all right. Only:

                    - "credit" was given to Uzbekistan in 1992-1993. Vague, I remember, the time was .. and what was there who was thinking - I do not know
                    - when I lend to a neighbor, he is obliged to return this debt to me. And all
                    - relations between industrial enterprises already (if someone owes someone) - is already much more complicated, there all sorts of mutual services-concessions (and other, other ..) are possible
                    - the same, between countries - even harder belay

                    I mean that when "forgiving" a loan, which will not be returned anyway, most likely, they receive some other, um .. benefits .. tangible, intangible - that's already the second thing

                    Quote: faridg7
                    Is there any confidence that Eun and his comrades will not send you with your share tomorrow with the forest?

                    - I personally - no, in this regard Eun - rare scumbag completely unpredictable
                    - but, again, well - those who made the decision probably took this into account .. I hope so, at least request

                    Something like that.
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        5. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 29 March 2016 13: 53
          +7
          Have you heard about the Volga-Don Canal?
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 29 March 2016 16: 19
            0
            Here is the same profile will be approximately in Iran. Only the upper locks will be at a great height.
      2. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 09: 46
        +3
        Quote: GrBear
        Iran is religious and independent, but Tehran-43 was

        Tehran-43 was preceded by British-Soviet occupation with the overthrow of Pahlavi.
        Quote: GrBear
        Iran was always adequate

        Is always?
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 29 March 2016 14: 44
          +2
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Tehran-43 was preceded by British-Soviet occupation with the overthrow of Pahlavi.

          So no one overthrew the Shah during the occupation, if Che. hi
      3. co-creator
        co-creator 29 March 2016 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: GrBear
        but if Russian scientists at the beginning of the last century said that "it is possible", then it is possible and necessary.

        The names of these scientists and what they designed and built.
      4. Humpty
        Humpty 29 March 2016 11: 06
        0
        Quote: GrBear
        You can doubt the competence of modern "Bolognese" scientists, but if Russian scientists at the beginning of the last century said that "it is possible", then it is possible and necessary.

        A certain famous of Russian scientists - geographers and topographers of the 19th century, someone Semenov (Tien Shan) scribbled such a gag, it took the efforts of Swedish, Italian, German and little-known Russian and Soviet scientists + 100 years of time to put things in order.
        This is an example of how the authority of truth is superior to the "truth of authority."
        But Semenov was able to collect herbariums, he was a botanist by education.
    4. Very old
      Very old 29 March 2016 06: 37
      +5
      And what are the doubts?
      The price of the issue will be really higher than 10-billion, but the technical capabilities allow the project to be implemented, and there will be investors
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 29 March 2016 07: 50
        +5
        Quote: Very old
        The price of the issue will be really above 10 billion

        Before the Olympics, the sum of 12 billion was announced "for everything about everything", it came out somewhere 50 billion
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 March 2016 09: 51
          +5
          If you are talking about our Olympics in Sochi, the state spent 250 billion rubles on it, private investors invested the rest.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 29 March 2016 14: 46
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            If you are talking about our Olympics in Sochi, the state spent 250 billion rubles on it, private investors invested the rest.

            Theoretical laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 March 2016 15: 13
              0
              No, practically.
            2. kuz363
              kuz363 29 March 2016 16: 22
              -3
              And then these investors billed the Russian government because they invested under state guarantees. Yes, and some banks are still sitting in the pit on subsidizing the Olympics.
        2. faridg7
          faridg7 29 March 2016 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: sa-ag
          Quote: Very old
          The price of the issue will be really above 10 billion

          Before the Olympics, the sum of 12 billion was announced "for everything about everything", it came out somewhere 50 billion

          Well, if the embezzlers still begin to hang up as in Iran, then 10 lard will be enough, there will still be
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 29 March 2016 07: 56
        +10
        This is primarily an economic project and its share in it is better than American fairy tales about the invincibility of the dollar!
        Our Rosatom receives $ 10 billion each time for the construction of a nuclear power plant abroad and it doesn’t bother anyone, nobody shouts that they will throw us.
        This material from the press does not show the real progress of the project, and so I think Iran may well turn to China, they do not experience hunger in money, and vice versa they are trying to transfer their funds from American liabilities to real assets!
        1. asadov
          asadov 29 March 2016 09: 30
          +3
          If China itself has not yet turned to Iran with help, it means that not everything is so simple and interesting there. And in general, China is now on the agenda of the Panama Canal-2. And here, if anyone has forgotten, "Power of Siberia". And so if we throw ourselves from side to side, we will not succeed. We will only spend money. So first you need to figure out what you started and then start a new one. Not, of course, if someone from the "great thinkers" of the site has a dozen or a half lard greens in the store and is ready to take a chance, I don't mind. But not from the country's budget.
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 09: 48
            +4
            Quote: asadov
            And in general, China now has Panama Canal 2 on the agenda

            yeah, in the "Other Questions" section. More precisely, in the freezer.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 29 March 2016 18: 32
            0
            Quote: asadov
            If China itself has not yet turned to Iran with help, it means that not everything is so simple and interesting there. And in general, China is now on the agenda of the Panama Canal-2. And here, if anyone has forgotten, "Power of Siberia". And so if we throw ourselves from side to side, we will not succeed. We will only spend money. So first you need to figure out what you started and then start a new one. Not, of course, if someone from the "great thinkers" of the site has a dozen or a half lard greens in the store and is ready to take a chance, I don't mind. But not from the country's budget.

            Have you seen at least one statement from China?
            China always agrees with everyone, but it will do as it needs. A media statement is almost nonsense. If there is such an agreement, we will only know when the construction begins.
            As for the Panama Canal 2. China will have enough money to build 100 of these channels in February 2015. China held 1223,7 billion in US debt
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 29 March 2016 19: 38
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              as of February 2015, China held 1223,7 billion in US debt

              Oh!! This is treasure !! Well this is not kosher, this is direct financing of the enemy economy (USA) !! lol

              And in China, no one has been shot yet for this? belay
        2. Very old
          Very old 29 March 2016 10: 21
          0
          All 5 Caspian states can invest
          + China: $ 1 "from the eye" - here's $ 3 billion for you

          Only ours can be invested in the economy of the actual enemy. And recently they have completely invested - we ourselves live
      3. aleksey980
        aleksey980 29 March 2016 08: 06
        +11
        Quote: Very old
        The price of the issue will be really higher than 10 billion,

        That's for sure. Plus the contents of a bunch of gateways, pumping and related infrastructure.
        Probably cheaper and easier to rename Istanbul to Constantinople.
        And so, this button accordion and quite recently was procrastinating right there:
      4. Vita vko
        Vita vko 29 March 2016 08: 24
        +16
        Quote: Very old
        And what are the doubts?

        I don’t understand either. Payback over 5-7 years in a crisis is a fairly effective investment. And taking into account the fact that Iran will participate in it anyway, where even billionaires will be executed for corruption, the guarantees of these investments are many times higher than with any Russian projects. In addition, it is not necessary to conclude an agreement in American currency. Settlements in national currencies will significantly strengthen their liquidity.
        The next absolutely absurd factor is the assumption of a possible violation of the ecological balance. Now, in fact, the main cause of environmental degradation is a decrease in the level of the Caspian Sea and, as a result, an increase in salt concentration in which soon not only sturgeons, but even ordinary fish will not be able to live. And the fact that some new algae may appear is generally nonsense. Every year, migratory birds carry a complete set of microorganisms from all reservoirs.
        In addition, in this region there is now a huge shortage of water, and the canal could solve this problem once and for all. We must not forget about the problem of the Aral Sea, which is located in this region and has similar environmental problems, which can also be solved by a controlled rise in the level of the Caspian.
        The only one who really does not benefit from the construction of a canal through Iran is Turkey and NATO, because they will lose not only huge money, but also the possibility of strategic blackmailing Russia by restrictions on shipping in the Bosphorus.
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 29 March 2016 18: 34
          +1
          In this region, there is now a huge shortage of water, and the canal could solve this problem once and for all. [/ quote]

          The problem of drinking water in Iran to solve at the expense of the Central Russian Plain, Volga, Urals? Well, I do not... angry
        2. denis02135
          denis02135 29 March 2016 23: 21
          0
          Dear Vita VKO

          Three questions

          1. What to transport on this channel?
          2. Where to?
          3. Who?
          And the most important question is why does Iran need a channel?
      5. Aleksander
        Aleksander 29 March 2016 08: 42
        -1
        Quote: Very old
        The price of the issue will be really higher than 10-billion, but the technical capabilities allow the project to be implemented, and there will be investors

        I think that the canal is not needed: for environmental and economic reasons, the Caspian Sea is still a dead end, despite the Volga-Don Canal. Yes, and completely dependent on Iran is not very good, the channels still have extraterritoriality.
      6. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 March 2016 09: 48
        +9
        For our machine builders, quarry and construction equipment, this project will become a golden rain, in view of orders from the Iranian side.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 29 March 2016 10: 33
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          For our machine builders, quarry and construction equipment, this project will become a golden rain, in view of orders from the Iranian side.

          yeah, the Iranian side has already promised to order 100 superjets, and as the sanctions were lifted, they immediately noticed in surprise that only airbuses were discussed
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 March 2016 12: 25
            +1
            Nothing is still to come.
      7. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: Very old
        Yes, and there are investors

        something the most important shows little interest. And then - the region is unstable, there are fans of bulldozers bombing, and indeed - there can be a lot of plot twists. Or, under the topic of investment protection, again occupy Iran, as in the 41st?
        1. aleksey980
          aleksey980 29 March 2016 10: 46
          +3
          Quote: Pinky F.
          And then - the region is unstable, there are fans of bulldozers bombing, and indeed - there can be a lot of plot twists.

          There is such a thing. There are Jews in their "Promised Land", sleeping and seeing how to bomb Iran into the Stone Age.
      8. Wheel
        Wheel 29 March 2016 15: 48
        +3
        Quote: Old very
        And what are the doubts?
        The price of the issue will be really higher than 10-billion, but the technical capabilities allow the project to be implemented, and there will be investors

        Compare for clarity.
        The cost of the Nicaraguan Canal is estimated at 60 lard, length 278 km, watershed 47 m above sea level.

        Iranian project: cost 10 lard, length 700 km, watershed about 1000 m above sea level ..

        Well, yes, for 10 lard you can dig a ditch for pleasure boats and yachts, and even that is unlikely.
    5. Serg koma
      Serg koma 29 March 2016 07: 55
      +4
      In the article:
      amid low oil prices and sanctions, the budget has become thinner, and the country's economy is in bad times. Under such conditions, large investments are hardly rising for Moscow.

      What is more profitable? Where to invest, in Iran, or the United States? And in general, enough to blame for oil, Gazprom and Rosneft (and others like them) do not live very badly, if during the period of "sanctions" and "low prices" super clubs KHL and RFPL support, the last match CSKA-SKA is an example of this. "Letters" "national property" at our expense is measured among themselves - and we are told "crisis" am
      About nanochubais .........
      The Russian Federation ranks 15th among investors in US government bonds.
      since April 2015, portfolio growth from 66.5 to 88 billion in November 2015. Current increase of 8 billion
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 29 March 2016 09: 28
        +3
        I want to remind you that the Great Satan in Iran is the United States.
        And remember who Little Satan was. THE USSR.
        Not a friend to us Iran. Oh no friend.
    6. GUKTU
      GUKTU 29 March 2016 07: 58
      +3
      10 billion is just to start construction
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      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 March 2016 09: 58
        -2
        The first problem is an increase in the level of the Caspian Sea by 20 meters, since the level of the Arabian Sea is higher.
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 29 March 2016 16: 26
          +3
          No problem. Water will not flow by gravity through the watershed in the form of mountains. Learn the hydraulics!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 March 2016 18: 15
            -1
            It turns out there you need to make a whole cascade of locks - the strait will become gold at a price.
    8. xetai9977
      xetai9977 29 March 2016 10: 09
      +5
      By the way. On the eve it became known about the planned trilateral meeting of the foreign ministers of Azerbaijan, Russia and Iran in Baku. One of the main topics at the talks between Elmar Mammadyarov, Sergei Lavrov and Mohammad Javad Zarif will be the implementation of the North-South transport corridor project. By the end of 2016, the railways of Azerbaijan and Iran will be connected within the North-South transport corridor. Also, there is already a connection between the roads of Russia and Azerbaijan.

      At the same time, the Iranian side plans to complete the construction of the railway from Rasht (Iran) to Astara (Azerbaijan) along the coast of the Caspian Sea. This will allow transporting goods from Russia to a port on the Persian Gulf by rail.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 29 March 2016 18: 36
        0
        This is a reasonable, real solution! good
      2. Ruslan Shevela
        Ruslan Shevela 29 March 2016 22: 43
        +1
        well, more than a good undertaking, everyone will benefit from it - Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan
    9. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 29 March 2016 10: 46
      +1
      The project is interesting in principle, but I believe that the decision should be made by professionals, weighing all aspects of the pros and cons.

      Although for me - it is more profitable to resolve the issue with Turkey by providing opportunities for the Turkish population - Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Aleuts, etc. decide their fate. It seems that you can get the loyalty of these peoples and thereby solve the issue of straits.
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    11. siberalt
      siberalt 29 March 2016 11: 02
      -1
      And what's the point in this project? Russia and Kazakhstan will lose up to 200 thousand square meters. km of land along the Aral, which is equal to the territory of Belarus. It will flood all the southern Caspian cities and towns, including Astrakhan, Makhachkala and Baku. Volga will leave the coast. The south of Russia will completely change the landscape and the environment will collapse. This nonsense is even worse than the transfer of Siberian rivers under irrigation canals to Central Asia. The Caspian is 28 meters below sea level. What are you talking about? belay
    12. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 29 March 2016 12: 06
      0
      Quote: VP
      I doubt the reality. 700 km, including through the mountains ... What are there 10 billion, even if it is technically feasible


      Through Nicaragua, a second transoceanic type of Panama Canal is dug. Why not here?
    13. sherp2015
      sherp2015 29 March 2016 13: 13
      -1
      Quote: VP
      I doubt the reality. 700 km, including through the mountains ... What are there 10 billion, even if it is technically feasible


      Really!))) With our Saws, the price will rise to 300-400 billion
    14. Hey
      Hey 29 March 2016 13: 27
      0
      There have long been all measured before us.
      The project of the Caspian - Persian Gulf shipping channel was developed by Russian engineers in 1889-1892.

      those. It was designed for construction mainly on manual labor and horse-drawn vehicles.
      Mountains are bypassed. Will be used sections of riverbeds, as well as a number of lakes.
      Realistically for the costs. Moreover, other Caspian littoral countries can participate in the project.
      In my opinion, the only weak link in all of this is Iran. (Unreliable.)
    15. ruAlex
      ruAlex 29 March 2016 15: 18
      0
      The topic is interesting in many ways, but if the environmental issue is acute, then it is better not to. So have already been guessed.
    16. kuz363
      kuz363 29 March 2016 16: 10
      0
      Yes, it was necessary to set a map with a geographical one, with elevations. Then it will immediately become clear that this is a crazy idea - a channel through the mountains. In addition, when using rivers, they will probably have to be deepened for the passage of sea vessels.
  2. apro
    apro 29 March 2016 06: 20
    +1
    The project is promising, of course, Iran needs it more than Russia, but it’s quite possible to make money on it, but with our effective ones we somehow doubtfully recall the cosmodrome, Sochi.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 29 March 2016 06: 50
      0
      Quote: apro
      The project is promising, of course, Iran needs it more than Russia, but it’s quite possible to make money on it, but with our effective ones we somehow doubtfully recall the cosmodrome, Sochi.

      Burying money in the ground!
      Quote: pv1005
      Twice this year, this topic was sucked. Looks like someone didn’t have enough

      Someone really wants to grab money on this panama. I don’t understand why to transfer it from empty to empty?
      1. apro
        apro 29 March 2016 10: 34
        +3
        Nicholas is a canal in itself, and it is economically and politically expedient if anything can happen to the Suez or the Bosphorus, another thing is how all this will look here is the question.
    2. the villain
      the villain 29 March 2016 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: apro
      with our effective somehow we doubtfully recall the cosmodrome, Sochi.

      And I think that even with our "fictitious" and "defective" porridge it is quite possible to cook porridge, you just need to adjust the "Persian truck crane" with the help of them, IMHO hi
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 29 March 2016 06: 39
    +2
    I doubt the real construction of this channel .. But talking about it .. will make a lot of noise ...
  4. pv1005
    pv1005 29 March 2016 06: 43
    +2
    Twice this year, this topic was sucked. Looks like someone didn’t have enough. request
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  6. sergant1.1
    sergant1.1 29 March 2016 06: 56
    +1
    Quote: venaya

    Here, given the interest of the Iranian authorities in fresh water, most likely we are talking about the sea channel for passage of vessels with a small displacement. Then it is quite possible and not very large financial costs for the construction, this is quite logical. Whether it is beneficial to us or not, I believe that it is possible to some extent beneficial.

    The Americans and their ilk have already spent twice as much (if not three) so that this channel does not exist. And if we think about whether we need it or not.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 March 2016 06: 57
    +1
    Such a channel is under the full control of Iran - IMHO, a double-edged sword. If friendship with Iran grows stronger and deepens, it is beneficial for Russia. If we quarrel, the channel will close for us much faster and easier than the Black Sea straits. Russia has only two allies (according to Alexander III), and it is not worth making such expensive "gifts" to the cunning Persians. If they want to dig, let them dig. For their own. And we will use it if it is convenient.
    1. apro
      apro 29 March 2016 10: 12
      +4
      It is clear that Iran will control the canal, but all the good ways for Russia, where will the boat go if Moscow vetoes?
  8. sergo42
    sergo42 29 March 2016 07: 00
    +2
    In the opinion of the West you need to put a long time with parting! And money is better to try to invest in risky projects than to throw billions on nobody needed, except for thieving officials, Olympiads, Universiades and other mundial.
    1. VP
      VP 29 March 2016 07: 22
      +2
      I am not a thieving official, but I need "Olympiads, Universiades and other world championships", what should I do, go to the officials or is there another way out?
      1. Orang
        Orang 29 March 2016 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: VP
        but I need "Olympiads, Universiades and other world championships"

        The position "do not care, we dance!" Why do you need this, even more so in a crisis ?.
  9. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 29 March 2016 07: 07
    +1
    Profitable and maybe. But the passage of a large stream of the Volga-Don and Volga-Baltic canals will be delayed. Because there are now lining up XNUMX-hour lines for passing and + a low level on the N.Novgorod-Gorodets section. So the first thing you need to rake there, and only then builds.
  10. Fartop
    Fartop 29 March 2016 07: 15
    +5
    The channel is beneficial both from Iran and from Russia. Given the closure of the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus, this would be an alternative for the Russian Navy to enter the Indian Ocean along the shortest route. Yes, not aircraft carriers, yes, not missile cruisers ... but RTOs themselves have already shown. It's all about investments, where we are reaping the benefits of the economic model of the state. And imagine that the passage through the channel is due only to the fact that neither Iran nor Russia have any complaints about the passage of their Navy, unless they are at war with each other to a friend. The remaining states of the Caspian region could agree on a passage on a commercial basis. Regarding the civil fleet (gas carriers, oil carriers, Ro-Ro), the prospects are promising. Ecology (the penetration of organisms alien to the Caspian) can be envisaged in the project. I judge the project from the point of view of its patriot Astrakhan region, and Russia as a whole!
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 29 March 2016 18: 40
      +1
      Your patriotism +! But ... the main thing is that the consequences of the "millennium construction" do not go sideways. As they say - measure seven times ...
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 March 2016 07: 17
    -4
    It is FIRST, so, to scratch your tongues, but what about the ecology, geology, water level in the Caspian Sea and in the Persian Gulf. In short, after 200 years, maybe someone’s hands will reach.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 31 March 2016 20: 33
      -1
      Hey minus one, I’ve probably prepared a channel to dig a shovel, well, well, some have already dug up the Black Sea.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 2 2016 08: 38
        0
        Negative oligophrenic answer, talk half-witted, the first time I see idiots who pull channels through the mountains.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 March 2016 07: 19
    0
    and will become an alternative to the existing route through the Bosphorus - Dardanelles - Suez Canal and the Red Sea

    That is why even if there are investors and technically it can be done, so many "barriers" will be put up, including outright provocations and the outbreak of an armed conflict, that the implementation of a possible project could drag on for decades.
    1. Fartop
      Fartop 29 March 2016 07: 35
      0
      And yet I believe. It’s better in strategic projects than in the unhelpful Olympiads and the World Cup. And about Putin’s screening, it’s better to show ambitions here than in Syria.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 52
        +2
        Quote: Fartop
        -Putin is better here to show ambitions

        Where is "here"?
        And what was wrong with Syria?
      2. midivan
        midivan 29 March 2016 19: 15
        +3
        Quote: Fartop
        And yet I believe. It’s better in strategic projects than in the unhelpful Olympiads and the World Cup. And about Putin’s screening, it’s better to show ambitions here than in Syria.

        Well, really, what the hell is sport for us, is it better to dilute leisure time with a beer? and Syrian ambitions lined up for our weapons, do they also have to?
  13. candidate
    candidate 29 March 2016 07: 31
    +2
    ..Peter chopped a window to Europe
    Opening west stock
    It seems that now the hour has struck
    To open the canal to the East ...
    1. the villain
      the villain 29 March 2016 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: candidate
      .Peter chopped a window to Europe
      Opening west stock
      It seems that now the hour has struck
      To open the canal to the East ...

      Window - Well west, edrit,
      Take and hammer back !!!
  14. Leprekon
    Leprekon 29 March 2016 07: 32
    +4
    An interesting project, especially since all the Caspian countries can be included in it! And cheaper and more responsible, and collective security in the region.
  15. Adik89
    Adik89 29 March 2016 07: 38
    +3
    Well I do not know! I care about environmental safety!
    And if you look at it from the other side, if Iran becomes not a friend, then US ships can enter the Caspian! ETOGES must this happen !!! So it’s better to leave it as it is.

    And let the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles try to close :)
    1. Fartop
      Fartop 29 March 2016 07: 43
      0
      Who didn’t know that Turkey would become an enemy ... and it would not hurt to have a fuss ...
    2. midivan
      midivan 29 March 2016 19: 22
      +3
      Quote: Adik89
      And if you look at it from the other side, if Iran becomes not a friend, then US ships can enter the Caspian!

      and if we admit to flood an old dry cargo ship with rubble in the canal (for example, I did not notice the support), then the amers' ships sailed, the canal is not so terrible in this, well, they sailed to the Caspian in case of a "war", and now try to swim out am laughing
  16. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 29 March 2016 07: 45
    0
    Will the ships sail in the tunnels?
  17. kig
    kig 29 March 2016 07: 48
    0
    To push money into a channel that lies entirely on the territory of another state ... I'm not talking about the technical side. For example, the mountain system Zagros.
  18. Professor
    Professor 29 March 2016 07: 48
    +9
    How long to? Just yesterday there was an article on the same site on the same topic. negative
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
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    Iranian Water Canal: a construction or political project?
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
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    Bypassing the Bosphorus
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 29 March 2016 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      How long to? Just yesterday there was an article on the same site on the same topic.

      Professor. For some, this has become an obsession. Well, people don’t want to understand with their mind that it will cost a pretty penny, but how do you get water and energy for pumps from where?
    2. Vitwin
      Vitwin 29 March 2016 10: 18
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      How can?


      To be precise, the third quarter.
      In fact, transfusion from empty to empty is nothing more, well, we scratch our tongues, although it is already tired and boring.
  19. Klim2011
    Klim2011 29 March 2016 07: 53
    +1
    If the project will have economic benefits, then China will finance, and as a bonus will receive additional strengthening of its position in this area.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 March 2016 10: 04
      -2
      Anyone can finance, that's just the flooding of the coastal areas of the Caspian Sea, Astrakhan, including, will reduce this idea, the construction of the canal, to nothing.
  20. Fartop
    Fartop 29 March 2016 07: 55
    +5
    Ships will not go in tunnels, just like in the Suez, and across the Black Sea straits, do not invent. A fallback option is always profitable. And if the diplomats, in the east, support Iran’s graters with Turkey, what’s not an option? Thoughts deeper-multivariance is better than pressing against the wall ...
  21. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 March 2016 08: 00
    -1
    Quote: Adik89

    And if you look at it from the other side, if Iran becomes not a friend, then US ships can enter the Caspian!

    How many times has our country lost its allies, partners, friends, brothers.
    Is Iran a friend? Rather, a partner. In any case, the States will make every effort to get into this project in one way or another. It will approach us. Recall their actions around our borders.
    1. Fartop
      Fartop 29 March 2016 08: 11
      +4
      If the British, Turks, and states have opposed this project since imperial times, does this mean something? They’re not fools. Think about it.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 March 2016 13: 12
        0
        And what did I write? What is the project not needed? Where is it read? Have they resisted since tsarist times? STATES?
        STATES, as you know, they are trying to spoil everything for us. What do we disagree with?
        Or didn’t they read? Or didn’t THINK?
  22. marder4
    marder4 29 March 2016 08: 01
    +1
    but will the same thing happen with the Caspian as with the Aral Sea?
    1. pimen
      pimen 29 March 2016 08: 09
      +2
      if there are gateways - no
    2. aleksey980
      aleksey980 29 March 2016 08: 12
      +2
      Quote: marder4
      but will the same thing happen with the Caspian as with the Aral Sea?

      There is another reason. Excessively high drainage from supply rivers for irrigation.
      1. pimen
        pimen 29 March 2016 08: 34
        0
        but the mechanism is the same. Here, rather, the problem is to increase the pollution of the Caspian; therefore, you have to think, at least, about the elimination of drilling from all sides
  23. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 29 March 2016 08: 11
    +3
    Once again I repeat, DO NOT GET! Cargo traffic will not ensure the passage of the VDSK and VBK. There and now I have to stand idle for 3-5 days in the queue for the passage of channels. So, to get into the 13th VDSK gateway from Volgodonsk, first you need to queue after the 14th gateway (which is about 200 km to the 13th gateway) and then another half day at the gateway itself and so on. And from the side of the VBC, first you anchor in Lake Onega, then in the canal and so on. So our waterway will not be able to handle the additional flow, and in addition, how many pilots with knowledge of English will need to be calculated at the rate of 2 for each ship. Captain of the ship.
    1. Fartop
      Fartop 29 March 2016 08: 18
      -1
      Do not delve into the complexity of navigating ships in canals. If it is economically profitable, ships will go. In Iran, too, are not fools to sit at a loss to build a canal (or, at least, intentions to build a canal) ...
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 29 March 2016 08: 39
        +4
        This will be the same project as sending a train from Ukraine to China, bypassing Russia. First, you need to do everything at home, and just a very big traffic jam just work out. Not all ships have facilities for the treatment of the same wastewater. And all the GDP is not provided by the OS vessels (pumping vessels) in sufficient quantities and where will this water be discharged? Right, in our rivers. In the same Petrozavodsk there are no such ships at all, and many ships come there on Onega. And the nearest ship is in Vytegra or in Podporozhye. Stuck due to bad weather, kapets. This is not at sea, went 12 miles and pumped out, went to Alexandria.
  24. Urfin
    Urfin 29 March 2016 08: 29
    -1
    Um ... Sewed on soap. Turks on the Persians. Today we cut with some, then with others. And at some point we will find the US destroyer in the Caspian.
    We need it?
    Empty news
  25. evcipik
    evcipik 29 March 2016 08: 32
    +6
    Quote: VP
    I doubt the reality. 700 km, including through the mountains ... What are there 10 billion, even if it is technically feasible

    ours can’t go 70 kilometers of the Caucasus mountain range, so that Sochi could go not along the congested coast, and here seven hundred km of mountains, plus the Volga became shallow, almost not navigable for large vessels
  26. Fartop
    Fartop 29 March 2016 08: 36
    +1
    ! 00-thousand-it would be great for the Iranian canal, it is not necessary anymore. Volgoneft with its 5 thousand people will not make the weather. No one is aiming at Japanese 500-thousand meters. But the canal must be deep ... not as in the VKK. This means ports in the mid-water part of the Caspian Sea (Makhachkala, Derbent, Baku, Turkmenbashi) ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 29 March 2016 09: 31
      +1
      So ports in the mid-deep part of the Caspian

      Very interesting thought. Our Dagestan region is deeply subsidized. The port would not be out of place. New jobs, infrastructure. The region is only a plus.
      Another point, relations with Turkmenistan. There are a lot of minerals in this country. I don’t know, maybe there’s just no information, but the Russians weren’t oppressed there in 90? And under the USA, they are in no hurry to go to bed.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 29 March 2016 12: 21
        0
        They will dig a canal, Dagestan will wash away seawater with water from Iran. Then certainly no one will need jobs. laughing If you haven't studied geography and a physical map of Russia at school, then at least climb into Vika and read the article "Caspian Lowland" (aka Aral-Caspian). And even better if you open the law of physics about communicating vessels. Archimedes wept laughing
  27. avva2012
    avva2012 29 March 2016 08: 55
    +1
    The project, in my opinion, is excellent. If you build a system of locks near the Caspian, all the more. I support the commentary, which says that it is not in vain against our Western partners. It’s worth considering why.
  28. Fartop
    Fartop 29 March 2016 09: 03
    +1
    It’s hard to understand. There was the Panama Canal, but there were investors who could build a parallel one through Nicaragua. What, did the capitalists find the extra money? I don’t believe in the compassion of those in power; swim, my good ones, since you have such expenses through Panamanian. Everything is settled, tough, grasping. Also, with the Iranian channel, it’s tough and grasping. Everything rests on finances, which, as always, are not enough. Over the course of a century, ours, and the Iranian authorities have been negotiating construction, there’s no place to cut ...
  29. baudolino
    baudolino 29 March 2016 09: 09
    0
    The Crimean bridge is also "not realistic". And nothing - they are building).
  30. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 29 March 2016 09: 13
    +1
    Such projects have great consequences not only in the field of economics, but also in ecology.
    As if not to miscalculate once again, and not to cut the branch on which we sit ...
  31. tundra
    tundra 29 March 2016 09: 19
    +1
    It resembles ecologically the transfer of Siberian rivers to the south.
    Well, the nature of interference does not like and avenges it. Not so much for posterity.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 March 2016 10: 11
      -1
      It was a delusional project for the cotton farmers who destroyed the Aral Sea.
  32. Max repp
    Max repp 29 March 2016 09: 41
    0
    A good thing, but as it is sung in one song "Where is the money Zin". And 10 billion will not be enough.
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  34. Fartop
    Fartop 29 March 2016 09: 48
    +6
    The construction of the Crimean bridge, in contrast to the "sports construction projects", where our presence is still a big question, finds understanding among the majority of Russians. It is not for nothing that our generalissimo abruptly changed the topic from "Vostochny" and the World Cup "to" Construction of the Century. " , no one argues. If only not with the blood of the poorest. Eh, they would have heard there, above: we do not need sports victories, where the powers that be will collect all the foam in case of victory, and defeat will be smeared on all Russians, we need significant victories in the construction of industrial giants, where pride in the country will peacefully coexist with the relative poverty of the population, where we will dictate our will to the world not only by the power of our videoconferencing, but also by the power of our agro-industry, our science, our education. Oh, if (((
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 29 March 2016 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Fartop
      It is not for nothing that our generalissimo abruptly changed the subject from "Vostochny" and the World Cup "to" Construction of the Century ".

      Well, do not focus on the project of transferring ambulance to private hands, something tells me that this would not have met the same as with a bridge of understanding, especially among low-income groups like pensioners
  35. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 00
    +1
    Interest in this project arose in the context of the Bosphorus / Dardanelles and the antics of Turkey?
  36. Stas57
    Stas57 29 March 2016 10: 04
    +10
    Oh, woke up ... fresh news!
    we have already condemned three times here that these are unrealistic dreams

    I report.


    there are xnumx options
    West route (pink) - the shortest distance between two coasts, total length of about 950 km, from the North of the Persian Gulf to the south-west of the Caspian Sea, passing Arvand Rudo, Karuna River, R. Archa River (~ 450 km) to the north - Sefidrud River (~ 50 km). Above the river is partially navigable. In the central part, the canal will pass through the high mountain valleys of Zagros (about 600 km long). General advantages of the Western route: lowlands passing through Khuzistan and Gilan provinces, partial navigability of rivers, the possibility of using artificial reservoirs and canals for water supply. However, the main drawback of this route is the passage through the chain of Zagros and Elburs mountains, especially in the provinces of Kurdistan and Hamadan, where rise to heights 1800 m higher . The western route is only mentioned as a probability; no detailed studies have been done for it, given that experts give high priority to the more flexible eastern route.

    East Route (in red) - extends from the coast of the Gulf of Oman and extends southeast of the Caspian Sea total length 1465 - 1600 km . In 1996, this route was first proposed by engineer H. Farzad.
    approximate heights
    From 0 to 250 m (above sea level) 65 km
    From 250 to 500 m (above sea level) 330 km
    From 500 to 1000 m (above sea level) 920 km
    From 1000 to 2000 m (above sea level) 150 km

    of the important.
    There is no project, no at all. no. There are approximate schemes, but the real tech. rationale and research no. all with your finger on the map.
    -No one did. Never.
    seismicity.
    The minimum predicted channel depth is 5,0 m. Maximum 7.
    - very large differences - from the Caspian Sea (-28 m above sea level), to the lowest point to the top of the Elbrus ridges (2000м) - a lot of water is required.
    -cost, approximately 7 mld, but this is not an assessment of eviction, compensation, cost incurrence, etc.
    -economic benefits are unclear (recall the port of Olya) and the payback of 5 years is a fairy tale.
    -Well, the ecology is saying there’s going to go round- that the Caspian has, that Iran has.

    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 March 2016 10: 18
      0
      If it’s ever built archaism, which I doubt very much, then we will resettle the flooded coastal areas of the Caspian Sea at the expense of Iran.
  37. hardroc
    hardroc 29 March 2016 10: 17
    +3
    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    The project will pay off within five years of operation (according to other sources, not earlier than after 7 years)

    The project will never pay off, so it will never be implemented. There is nothing to carry there. And no one.
  38. Humpty
    Humpty 29 March 2016 10: 24
    +2
    Let's better discuss poltergeist or lift to the moon. I'm going to wet my hair, otherwise they stand on end from the very fact of discussing the "Iranian channel."
    Although I was in vain excited, the discussion still has some benefit. At least the fact of the amazing prevalence of two-dimensional thinking is indicative.
    For reference, during the union the project of transferring part of the flow of one river with a flow rate of about 50 m3 / s was discussed. through the mountain range. It would be only a little more expensive than the transfer of Siberian rivers. They refused because of an expensive tunnel 15 km long, problems with the construction of the dam and claims of China.
  39. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 31
    0
    Quote: Stas57
    I report.

    pretty thorough, thanks.
    And I liked the Kazakhs: in their strategy "Kazakhstan-2050" (they seem to have fulfilled "Kazakhstan-2030" ahead of schedule), they are considering the entry of KZ into the world ocean through the Eurasia channel (Caspian-Azov) and the Iranian channel. True, their length is much shorter - 600 km (350 km along the Kyzylusen and Ker-khe fairways)
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 29 March 2016 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: Pinky F.
      And I liked the Kazakhs: in their strategy "Kazakhstan-2050" (they seem to have fulfilled "Kazakhstan-2030" ahead of schedule), they are considering the entry of KZ into the world ocean through the Eurasia channel (Caspian-Azov) and the Iranian channel. True, their length is much less - 600 km

      They already have navigable access to the world ocean, along the Irtysh River to the Ob.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 54
        0
        Quote: Humpty
        They already have navigable access to the world ocean, along the Irtysh River to the Ob.

        we are talking about increasing transit potential.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 29 March 2016 11: 23
          +1
          Quote: Pinky F.
          we are talking about increasing transit potential.

          What is it about, it’s understandable. But the dreams of owning the Turkish-Kazakh confederation of the White Sea coast seem to have covered themselves with a burgundy hat.
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 12: 25
            +3
            Quote: Humpty
            But the dreams of owning the Turkish-Kazakh confederation of the White Sea coast seem to have covered themselves with a burgundy hat.

            cool said)
            keep emoticon:
  40. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 42
    0
    Quote: Professor
    How can?

    Temka is opportunistic, in the spirit of "wash the Turks!" Only yesterday they laughed at the alternative hoxes, whose wagons are stationed in China. And we ourselves are driving with a marker on the map. What did Adm. Nelson paint with? With a finger dipped in port?
  41. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 29 March 2016 10: 42
    +1
    The amount of 10 billion is sucked from the finger and is simply ridiculous for such a project. Today, anything is technically possible. Why not discuss, for example, a canal to India through the Pamir.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: tiredwithall
      The amount of 10 billion is sucked from the finger and is simply ridiculous for such a project.

      two years ago it was called $ 7 billion. If one and a half billion a year, then by 2030, when this channel is once again remembered, it will grow to $ 30.
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 29 March 2016 11: 04
        +1
        By definition, such an amount of 700 km with overcoming Elbours in a seismically active zone is not real. 2 km up, you need to either drag the gateways or beat the tunnel.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 11: 10
          0
          Quote: tiredwithall
          By definition, such an amount of 700 km with overcoming Elbours in a seismically active zone is not real.

          I agree. Are they going to use the labor of prisoners in the spirit of channel traditions?
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  42. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 29 March 2016 10: 51
    -3
    Quote: Professor
    How long to? Just yesterday there was an article on the same site on the same topic.

    Well, what’s the problem, don’t like it, don’t read it, you, too, have already gotten many here with your eternal whining and criticism unreasonable in most cases, why not let you on the site or something (although the idea is not bad wassat ), we seem to have freedom of speech, and our attitude to what is published here can be expressed using + or -, and the whole business is.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 11: 16
      0
      Quote: Alget87
      you, too, have already gotten many

      Prof didn’t get anyone, do not make noise.
  43. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 29 March 2016 11: 19
    +1
    Quote: Very old
    And what are the doubts?
    The price of the issue will be really higher than 10-billion, but the technical capabilities allow the project to be implemented, and there will be investors

    Doubts about the feasibility of the project as a whole. The question is how much Iran itself needs it, purely from an economic point of view. It is clear that he clearly will not become a competitor to Suez. They won’t build this channel just for the interests of Russia, without getting any little benefit from it, because Russia is not China with its hyper-production and volumes of goods diverging flows around the world.
    Although with the proper infrastructure, this project could be suitable for the movement of Indian (East Asian) goods to Europe.
  44. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 29 March 2016 11: 26
    -4
    Quote: Pinky F.
    Prof didn’t get anyone, do not make noise.

    Judging by the constant and systematic disadvantages for his "opuses", all the same "got" many and I don't need to "shut up" my mouth here.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: Pinky F.
      we seem to have freedom of speech

      Quote: Alget87
      and I don't need to "shut up" my mouth here.

      for God's sake. Frauds of violation of freedoms?
      Prof's remark was essentially the same - the subject is dead end, there is no point in producing articles. Your reaction is more than strange.
      Quote: Alget87
      and systematic cons

      Half of these downsides are attributed to the Star of David in profile. And about "drag and not push" -
      Quote: Alget87
      Well, do not let you on the site or something (although the thought is not bad)
      - this is here:
  45. pts-m
    pts-m 29 March 2016 12: 21
    0
    As the people say ... a walker and one who believes in his own way will take over the road, and whoever sits on the side of the road with a thought (how hard the way) is, let him sit ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 12: 28
      -1
      Quote: PTS-m
      and who is sitting on the sidelines with a little thought

      with this: "to build - not to build?"
      Maybe he will be smarter than a man with a pickaxe.
  46. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 29 March 2016 12: 41
    -2
    Quote: Pinky F.
    Prof's remark was essentially the same - the subject is dead end, there is no point in producing articles. Your reaction is more than strange.

    This reaction of yours is more than strange, to say the least. provocative, my post was carefully read, the main idea is "don't like it, don't read it", and as for the "professor", when he liked something here and he is not the main "authority" here, but rather the opposite. But about this:
    Quote: Pinky F.
    - this is here:

    You probably need to come here,
    friend, on the pot and lyulya, and then go and knock on the "clave" tired, you are our prolific, just the other day zaregatsya, and already a cap. It remains to wish you success in this difficult work, as they say, do not roll sacks!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 March 2016 12: 46
      -1
      Quote: Alget87
      heapяyou!

      diarrhea counted.
  47. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 29 March 2016 12: 53
    0
    Moreover, no matter how "tempting" to get around Ankara with its "Sultan", it is not a quick payback. We must also remember the pressure of the West, which has long objected to such a project.

    Yes, construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey for your own money, with a theoretical payback of twenty years, is "much more profitable"! As for the West, any
    projects that are beneficial for us are not nice, including those that are beneficial for
    him. Tolerate - to fall in love.
  48. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 29 March 2016 12: 53
    -1
    Quote: Pinky F.
    diarrhea counted.

    Well, streamline, you can still jump, it can help, although not a fact.
  49. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 29 March 2016 12: 56
    0
    I think that Russia will find money if there is interest. In my opinion, it is obvious. To have an alternative exit to the Indian Ocean - even Catherine the Great could not have dreamed about this!
  50. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 29 March 2016 13: 04
    +1
    "Traditional Russian black caviar will cease to please us even on holidays" ...
    A very interesting joke) And who does this expensive black caviar in Russia please at least on holidays ???)