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Shoigu: highly qualified specialists should train divers in the Ryazan school

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Sergei Shoigu instructed the commander of the airborne forces, Vladimir Shamanov, to involve qualified technical and medical personnel in training the divers in the deepwater pool of the Ryazan Airborne School, reports RIA News.




“It is necessary that the deep-water complex has not only modern equipment, but also highly qualified personnel, primarily technical and medical”,
said the minister during the inspection of the school.

“As for the doctors,” he continued, “these specialists should not only be able to provide the necessary qualified medical care, but also know all the most modern techniques for monitoring the condition of the trainees.”

The deepwater complex (pool) in question is intended for the training of divers, scouts, divers, explosives (sappers, miners) and divers-welders (carvers).

Help Agency: “The pool is a stainless steel 50 bowl on 60 meters from 1,8 to 6 meters in depth. It allows you to conduct swimming and diving classes. In the pool there are simulators, including for testing swimming underwater; a mock-up of the underwater and surface part of the ship’s side for practicing mining actions (demining) of ships, inspecting and servicing the propeller-steering group and practicing the actions of the assault team on board the ship; the model of the Mi-8 helicopter for diving in diving equipment and training for raising an emergency diver on board an aircraft; underwater shooting range for training on shooting from a special underwater weapons».
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  1. Hubun
    Hubun 28 March 2016 08: 25
    +3
    S.K. Shoigu. I’ll add only one thing, this should be done not only in the RVVDKU
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 March 2016 08: 34
      +8
      Quote: Hubun
      S.K. Shoigu. I’ll add only one thing, this should be done not only in the RVVDKU


      The best should train any specialists, the only way and in no other way, and, of course, not only in Ryazan.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 28 March 2016 09: 36
        +3
        It is strange that criticism of the Minister of Defense fell out of the discussion on equipping combat submariners
        The head of the military department made comments to the developers of diving equipment - it weighs about 15 kilograms.
        "What kind of composite material is it? What kind of composite material is it ?! Basically, my friends, if you do ... Do you get paid for this?" - asked the Minister of Defense.
        "Yes sir!" - answered one of the developers.
        "They pay money. So, if we pay you money, then you do what we need to do. Reduce the weight characteristics. Besides 15 kilograms, he still has almost 40 kilograms of weight!" - said the minister.

        And judging by the fact that the usually balanced and calm S. Shoigu was very indignant, this problem is very serious.
        1. FenH
          FenH 28 March 2016 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: Vita VKO
          It is strange that criticism of the Minister of Defense fell out of the discussion on equipping combat submariners
          The head of the military department made comments to the developers of diving equipment - it weighs about 15 kilograms.
          "What kind of composite material is it? What kind of composite material is it ?! Basically, my friends, if you do ... Do you get paid for this?" - asked the Minister of Defense.
          "Yes sir!" - answered one of the developers.
          "They pay money. So, if we pay you money, then you do what we need to do. Reduce the weight characteristics. Besides 15 kilograms, he still has almost 40 kilograms of weight!" - said the minister.

          And judging by the fact that the usually balanced and calm S. Shoigu was very indignant, this problem is very serious.


          I tried to lay out completely, see censored request
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 28 March 2016 20: 05
            0
            Quote: FenH
            I tried to lay out completely, see censored request

            only in hints, do not all at once, "Who was not, he will be, who was - will not forget." it's better this way.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 28 March 2016 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: Vita VKO
          And judging by the fact that the usually balanced and calm S. Shoigu was very indignant, this problem is very serious.

          From what they showed - even Kozhugetych, along the way, does not understand everything - the weight of the IDA under water does not feel like 14 kg - at the level of a kilogram, it’s a pity that no one told him this rumor, or he seriously thinks that on the shore He is not removed?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 March 2016 10: 49
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            or does he seriously think that they’re not taking him off the beach?

            It seems like 8)))

            There will be a new army joke. As with the general who is shooting art. He stopped the batteries when he saw a panorama of people near the tip-point. 8)))
          2. FenH
            FenH 28 March 2016 12: 55
            +2
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: Vita VKO
            And judging by the fact that the usually balanced and calm S. Shoigu was very indignant, this problem is very serious.

            From what they showed - even Kozhugetych, along the way, does not understand everything - the weight of the IDA under water does not feel like 14 kg - at the level of a kilogram, it’s a pity that no one told him this rumor, or he seriously thinks that on the shore He is not removed?

            See how they land from a helicopter, so that every extra kilogram is like a knife in the back
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 28 March 2016 13: 26
              0
              Quote: FenH
              See how they land from a helicopter, so that every extra kilogram is like a knife in the back

              They will not be particularly saved during the landing, but apparently Shoigu alone does not know that the cylinders are either steel or aluminum, not magnetic, and the difference in weight is minimal. You can, of course, stir up the composite, but I'm afraid to weigh it will be no less, but cost - like a shuttle.
              1. FenH
                FenH 28 March 2016 13: 35
                0
                Quote: lelikas
                Quote: FenH
                See how they land from a helicopter, so that every extra kilogram is like a knife in the back

                They will not be particularly saved during the landing, but apparently Shoigu alone does not know that the cylinders are either steel or aluminum, not magnetic, and the difference in weight is minimal. You can, of course, stir up the composite, but I'm afraid to weigh it will be no less, but cost - like a shuttle.

                I had a chance to use Draeger equipment, swam to watch sharks. It is much easier than simple balloons and no air bubbles. Thanks to this, I managed to get very close. And the price of such equipment, you are right, not cheap hi
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 28 March 2016 14: 52
                  +1
                  In the mail I was a little sealed up, at the expense of weight, and corrected incorrectly, the post went down ..
              2. Vita vko
                Vita vko 28 March 2016 14: 54
                +2
                Quote: lelikas
                You can, of course, stir up from the composite, but I'm afraid it will weigh no less, and cost - like a shuttle.

                Most underwater security systems are focused on metal detection. Obviously, therefore, the main requirement for new equipment for combat swimmers is the use of 100% composite materials. Obviously, this was spelled out in the terms of reference and Shoigu was indignant not only because the manufacturers did not fulfill the conditions, but also because someone from the leadership of the airborne forces signed acts of admission due to incompetence or corruption considerations. I doubt that the Minister of Defense will raise his voice because of some extra pounds.
                If we talk about the cost of equipment, it should be assumed that, firstly, the cost of training such units is comparable to the cost of training pilots, and maybe even astronauts. Secondly, it is necessary to take into account the operational and strategic level of the combat missions of these units, therefore, the cost / effectiveness ratio will be very low, even if the unit's equipment cost is comparable to the cost of a modern submarine.
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 28 March 2016 16: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Vita VKO
                  Most underwater security systems are focused on metal detection.

                  It’s all so, but the hard workers will not do anything on their own, military representatives will not accept, and the army will not receive without clear TK and its compliance.
                  As the army puts it out - today we want a ship, big with weapons of all types, tomorrow smaller and without weapons at all, after tomorrow - let's have a medium, but with some kind of weapon ... (approximate scheme for drawing up TOR for Grena)
                  As for the price - for me there are no questions here - the best is for the children - but the MO is openly pressing - an example is the modernization of the same 72 ek.
                  More than sure that they have a standard IDA, which is not their main working tool and, as I already wrote, it came out of the water and threw it off. Specialists have a different model. Non-magnetic cylinders - this is not uncommon.
                  And the fact that Kozhugetych did not know anything about her, and even more so about the issued TK until the moment he touched the cylinder, was ready to hammer on horseback.
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 28 March 2016 12: 10
        +2
        Really bastard with a bowl of 50x60m stainless steel, is that for sure? The journalist did not lie? It may just be such a lining - but still expensive. Kuzhugetych, of course, I wildly apologize, but, in my opinion, the guys are cool, they have brainwashed you - there are no deep-sea complexes with depths of up to 6 m. And there is no special medical diving section (and most likely, there’s someone under digs) - at such depths you can just teach the boys to swim underwater with the apparatus (and the rest is teaching theory without practice). And indeed, there are quite enough doctors who can help drowning people, and state control fits into the framework of conventional medicine there, of course, advanced techniques are also important). All medical physiological diving specifics begins precisely with depths deeper than 6 m: all sorts of pain in the ears, sinuses. Baratavma of the ear, probably also can be obtained at depths less than 10 m, but it’s hard to get a baratavma of the lungs at depths less than 12, well, I’m not talking about the caisson - the highest preventive delay, just passes at a depth of 6 m. So there are two options. Either deepen (as they said in the Politburo) a part of the basin at least up to 18 meters (or break through a separate mine) so that cadets can receive normal diving training (and is it really necessary for airborne troops?), Or not bother with very specific specialists (who also pay wages not nichrome do in the specialty).
        1. FenH
          FenH 28 March 2016 12: 53
          0

          It looks like this. From 1:13hi
          Quote: Blondy
          Really bastard with a bowl of 50x60m stainless steel, is that for sure? The journalist did not lie?
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    3. FenH
      FenH 28 March 2016 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: Hubun
      S.K. Shoigu. I’ll add only one thing, this should be done not only in the RVVDKU

      When I tried to post this article two days ago, its title was:
      Shoigu criticized suppliers of equipment for combat swimmers
      And this part disappeared from it:
      "We need to fight not only for every kilogram, but also for every gram of the weight of the diving equipment of the special forces, so that they can take as much payload as possible, including weapons, ammunition, communications, food," the defense minister said during an inspection deep water pool in the school.

      Shoigu made a complaint to the developers of the diving equipment complex of combat swimmers about his too heavy weight, demanding that the complex be lightened as much as possible due to the use of metal composite materials.
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 March 2016 08: 25
    +1
    Specialists should be trained by the best specialists ... this is the right approach in training personnel ...
  3. Smoked
    Smoked 28 March 2016 08: 28
    +1
    Scuba divers are good! :)
  4. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 28 March 2016 08: 29
    +2
    Diving and landing Buryat space brigade exists. laughing
  5. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 28 March 2016 08: 37
    0
    The Airborne Forces should have all the best because they are always at the forefront.
    1. ava09
      ava09 28 March 2016 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: Spartanez300
      The Airborne Forces should have all the best because they are always at the forefront.

      I would paraphrase: the Airborne Forces should have "everything" at a level that allows them to carry out their tasks at the forefront. After all, it is stupid to train naval reconnaissance divers only to depths of up to 6 meters, and they are no less "at the forefront" ...))) But in general, they say and think with slogans, you know who?
      1. wef
        wef 28 March 2016 10: 24
        0
        Quote: ava09
        I would paraphrase: The Airborne Forces should have "everything" at a level that allows them to carry out their tasks at the forefront. After all, it is stupid to train naval reconnaissance divers only to depths of up to 6 meters, and they are no less "at the forefront" ...)))

        You're right. Diving up to 6 meters, in my opinion, should be included in the training of many. Including the banal "diving" without specials. funds.
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 28 March 2016 08: 37
    +1
    Yes, I saw on TV how Kuzhugetovich publicly blew up one tech-scientist for special equipment
    1. dauria
      dauria 28 March 2016 09: 24
      +4
      how Kuzhugetovich publicly smashed one tech-scientist


      What is this for? Especially in public? Military people don’t do this even with a sergeant. (And even more so on TV, the goal is to paint). Smarter PR is necessary, gentlemen.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 28 March 2016 10: 59
        +3
        Quote: dauria
        What is this for? Especially in public? Military people don’t do this even with a sergeant. (And even more so on TV, the goal is to paint). Smarter PR is necessary, gentlemen.

        Well, it turned out in the spirit of the New Russian .....
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 March 2016 11: 05
        +3
        Quote: dauria
        What is this for? Especially in public?

        He is not a military man, how should he know ...

        To portray is not to be
    2. midivan
      midivan 28 March 2016 09: 34
      +4
      Quote: Volka
      Yes, I saw on TV how Kuzhugetovich publicly blew up one tech-scientist for special equipment

      to be more precise, for scuba gear too heavy (15 kg), the first time I saw him like this (in anger) belay I was thinking now how to drag the endom to the techie, when they talked about composites laughing
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 March 2016 08: 40
    +4
    “It is necessary that the deep-water complex has not only modern equipment, but also highly qualified personnel, primarily technical and medical”,
    Do not understand. This idea is so revolutionary that the command of the airborne forces and the school could not reach it with their own mind?
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 March 2016 08: 50
    +1
    ... in a deep pool ... from 1,8 to 6 meters deep

    What is this deep sea? I remember 71 underwent diving training in a diving pool with a depth of 10m (the standard depth for diving training in a specialized pool). And the equipment at that time was more or less modern: the APU and the AVM-3 apparatus. And teachers, of course, should be excellent professional professionals.
  9. 31rus2
    31rus2 28 March 2016 08: 52
    +3
    Dear, I was surprised, who prepared before that? Why did you just understand now? Why wasn’t the equipment and equipment provided for the construction and commissioning of this pool? What did the generals learn about PR and didn’t teach them how to think? Another question in Sevastopol there is a training base for combat swimmers, so it’s not better to send paratroopers there for training, the conditions are real, experts are teachers, the equipment is appropriate than bothering with a pool
    1. midivan
      midivan 28 March 2016 09: 38
      +5
      Quote: 31rus2
      Another question in Sevastopol is the training base for combat swimmers, so it’s not better to send paratroopers there for training, the conditions are real, experts are teachers, the equipment is appropriate than to bother with the pool

      Sevastopol still has a base of fighting dolphins, and why? you don’t have to bother with the pool, it is equipped and there is no need to take people smile
      1. Shpagolom
        Shpagolom 28 March 2016 15: 01
        +1
        ... Sevastopol School of Divers is the oldest educational institution for the training of diving specialists .... after all, it has been operating since 1882!
        ... Question to MO.Shoigu why reinvent the wheel, is there where to train specialists?
        ... The depth for practicing the skills of diving descents is not needed much, in Sevastopol in a diving school at a training ground up to 3 meters, and diving to a depth is carried out but not often ... light divers 1-2-3 times 15-40 meters , deep water several times at 60 meters.
  10. erased
    erased 28 March 2016 09: 15
    0
    A depth of 6 meters is a trifle. It seems that somewhere they built a 15 meter deep pool.
  11. VP
    VP 28 March 2016 09: 23
    +4
    And why do deep-sea training for landing?
    This is necessary for naval special forces. It is somehow doubtful that someone will set such combat missions before the landing.
    Unless to prepare personnel for the naval somewhere on the island of Russian.
  12. kote119
    kote119 28 March 2016 10: 04
    +3
    1. about the normal training of a diver, especially a scout, in a pool with a depth of 6 meters, with crystal clear, warm water, you don’t even have to stutter
    2. What are these words about professional medical staff and those personnel, how did the cadets before doing (with whom?)? Diving does not forgive mistakes.
  13. lelikas
    lelikas 28 March 2016 14: 01
    0
    Quote: lelikas
    Quote: FenH
    See how they land from a helicopter, so that every extra kilogram is like a knife in the back

    They will not be particularly saved during the landing, but apparently Shoigu alone does not know that the cylinders are either steel or aluminum, not magnetic, and the difference in weight is minimal. You can, of course, stir up the composite, but I'm afraid to weigh it will be less, and cost - like a shuttle.

    Threat - corrected - 6,8 liter cylinder - 9t.r, in general, not so expensive.
    ZY-2 - though, knowing the love of Moscow for the most inexpensive ...