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Only the domestic system GLONASS is used in navigation system of the Russian Federation for navigation

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The Russian military department uses only one satellite constellation, GLONASS, for navigation and combat use of aircraft. RIA News message of the chief navigator of the Military Transport aviation Artyom Filippov.




“Satellite navigation systems on military aircraft of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation use only the GLONASS system. We do not use other satellite groups, ”Filippov said on the air of the Russian Service News».

Filippov explained why other systems are “not entirely suitable” for combat use.

“There are a lot of global satellite navigation systems - these are GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou is Chinese, Galileo is a European system and a number of others that allow you to use navigation devices. For combat purposes, this system is not quite suitable. These are systems that belong to different states, and it is not always possible to use them. If Americans change the frequency (GPS broadcast) for consumers, it will not be possible to use this system, ”said the colonel.

GLONASS - Soviet and Russian navigation system, developed by order of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR. The first satellite was sent to orbit in 1982.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 27 March 2016 10: 03
    +14
    Everything is correct. In such situations, you cannot trust "partners". Use GPS only as an add-on.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 27 March 2016 10: 04
      +9
      Who would doubt it .. GPS is the US military system, which in
      the right time and in the right place gives out THAT what the Master needs ...
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 27 March 2016 10: 18
        +3
        And it is absolutely natural that any use by any subscriber can be seen by THEM!
        And, accordingly, as an addition, it is also impossible wink
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Use GPS only as an add-on.
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 27 March 2016 10: 38
          +4
          It's an expensive pleasure and it's great that there is a Patriotic group, so you can use it to the maximum and introduce it as much as possible into civilian use. ... ... GOOD LUCK !!!
          1. cniza
            cniza 27 March 2016 11: 36
            +5
            It would be strange if it were different, communication and navigation only through their own, native system, otherwise it is impossible.
          2. The comment was deleted.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 March 2016 10: 53
          +11
          Quote: Baikonur
          any use by any subscriber - see them!

          This is not a cable TLV! How are you going to see the receivers or by request-connection? No.
          Explain plz
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 27 March 2016 11: 30
            +3
            Wrong to say, sorry! hi

            I thought about smartphones. That there is a possibility of "spying" (more accurate by GPS coordinates) via cellular communication!
            Do not use GPS smartphones in the army, in combat!
            As if it has nothing to do with simply navigators!
            Once again, I'm sorry! I can no longer delete and fix it. crying

            PS: Below "WKS" explained everything correctly.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 27 March 2016 11: 48
            0
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: Baikonur
            any use by any subscriber - see them!

            This is not a cable TLV! How are you going to see the receivers or by request-connection? No.
            Explain plz

            Is the Cosmodrome odd there again?

            I just don't see him - as soon as the guy caught his tongue a couple of times - and I already Collection Emergency ..

            Boa constrictor KAA, unfortunately, the Cosmodrome, IMHO, completely wooden not too competent in this matter what
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 27 March 2016 12: 07
              0
              Hmm ... I saw your comment after logging out. Not good somehow (there are other words), knowing that I do not see ("behind" is called)!
              And where do you think I was doing this?
              If possible in a personal! Let's not clog the tape!

              It's not good, Shurik! Not good at all! (Shilov, film "At home among strangers, stranger among friends")
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 27 March 2016 12: 28
                -1
                Quote: Baikonur
                If possible in a personal! Let's not clog the tape!

                And a personal, which means you can clog up what

                I will answer here, once, I will try briefly and exhaustively:

                - the forum was created for communication, and not for collecting "plus signs"
                - communication assumes to be meaningful, comments, if possible, are supposed to be competent (not necessary), informative (highly desirable) and not in the style of "urrrya !!!" (in no case)
                - I looked at your tape now, how much patience I had .. well, somehow it’s not good there .. even with information content (IMHO). But there are a lot of exclamation marks laughing
                - this is what was meant by the word "kinky"

                Actually, that's all .. yes

                Quote: Baikonur
                It's not good, Shurik! Not good at all! (Shilov, film "At home among strangers, stranger among friends")

                Quote: Operation Y and Shurik's other adventures
                - You must Fedya, you must..
                1. Baikonur
                  Baikonur 27 March 2016 13: 25
                  +1
                  I will answer here, once, I will try briefly and exhaustively:
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - the forum was created for communication

                  there is a separate button "FORUM" in the main menu, here it is - for communication, and this section is called "comments on the article", i.e. You made the wrong door !!!
                  Your comments are nagging (well-grounded, of course, in many respects (cleverness with an Internet reference book at hand), and then getting involved and dragging your opponent into the discussion, often off the topic of the article, polluting, filling the feed with whole pages of dialogues, breaking the opponent's comment into phrases and answering each), thus clogging. The same system of trolling the apponent is used by many OF "professorial" staff, "local" in.
                  , and not for collecting "plus signs"
                  It has long been a marshal, the plus signs will not be a marshal three times, so by.
                  and not in the style of "urrryayaya !!!" (in no case)
                  Ah, these anti-Uraniapatriots! How they love to call someone with a savory urryakalka and rub their tummy from self-pleasure! And joyfully shout: Hurray, I am not Hurray, Hurray is not I! (yesterday there was such a comment:
                  Quote: Pravdarm
                  ... URAN-patriots, they will clap their hands and be even more proud and strained:
                  "I AM NOT RURRYING!"
                  "URRRYAYA - NOT YAYAAAAAAA!"

                  (We are not slaves, slaves are not us,
                  WE ARE GENTLEMEN, GOPO.DA, WE)
                  ANTIURRRAYAYAAAAAAA !!!
                  ANTIURYAYAAAAA !!!
                  anti
                  ur
                  I am.

                  Although comments to articles about any pleasant events, achievements, VICTORIES logically and naturally imply such an attitude of a normal person!
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Now I looked at your tape, how much patience was enough .. well, somehow it's not good there .. even with information content (IMHO). But there are a lot of exclamation marks
                  It is normal there with information content, usual comments to flocks
                  I was also not too lazy to look at yours. Had seen:
                  -You Take pride in being online;
                  -Almost there is no comment on the article, all the comments are nit-picking (well-grounded, I do not argue), teachings (again, Internet information content) and being drawn into polemics.
                  -comments break into phrases, you get comments-rolls.
                  -One article can have dozens of your rolls.

                  Conclusion:
                  You are clogging up the tape. possibly deliberately. (This is the job, I understand.) (That would later be difficult for a person who wanted to read the entire tape, spend a lot of time.)
                  Very much falls under the concept: "TROLLING".
                  So that:
                  Don't, Fedya ..., Don't ...
          3. Cat man null
            Cat man null 27 March 2016 11: 56
            +1
            GLONASS - scheme of work: (the picture shows the transmitted signal with red arrows)
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 27 March 2016 13: 23
              +5
              Guys, just let's not fight. We've got a U-2 biting ... Who will press the button?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 27 March 2016 14: 41
                +4
                Quote: sabakina
                Guys, just let's not fight. We've got a U-2 biting ... Who will press the button?

                As in the movie "Heavenly Slow Mover" it was said - "I thought you were an ace, and you are Udvas" laughing
                As for such statements in general, then ...
        3. WKS
          WKS 27 March 2016 11: 02
          +9
          A navigation receiver can only be a receiver and have no feedback. And it is necessary to use the domestic system only for one reason - in the event of a conflict with the owner of the system, he will change the frequencies or codes of signals from satellites with one click and all navigators will "go blind" except for the devices of the owner himself.
          1. Arkuda
            Arkuda 27 March 2016 11: 23
            +4
            It is enough for the "owner" to just shift the coordinates by a couple of hundred meters, so to speak, to adjust the error ...
        4. Felix
          Felix 27 March 2016 11: 41
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          And it is absolutely natural that any use by any subscriber can be seen by THEM!

          Here you are wrong. GPS is a one-way communication system, from satellite to terminal. And if the terminal does not use the Internet or GSM, it cannot be tracked.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 27 March 2016 11: 51
            +2
            Above, 11:30 already apologized and explained!
            1. Felix
              Felix 27 March 2016 18: 04
              0
              Quote: Baikonur
              Above, 11:30 already apologized and explained!

              I apologize hi , saw, but too late. Tried to delete, but, "the word is not a sparrow" repeat
        5. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 27 March 2016 14: 43
          +1
          And it is absolutely natural that any use by any subscriber can be seen by THEM!
          What is it like? A signal receiver with a program for calculating the position and indicating on the map, which is not connected to the world wide web, will not be able to transfer its coordinates to ANYONE except for the one looking at its screen! (Or equipment that receives coordinates from the receiver of signals from the system satellites)!
        6. alexmach
          alexmach 27 March 2016 19: 15
          +2
          And it is absolutely natural that any use by any subscriber can be seen by THEM!
          And, accordingly, as an addition, it is also impossible


          Are you kidding?
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 27 March 2016 12: 00
        +9
        The GPS has a "programmed error" mode, it is turned off when the striped ones are fighting. Therefore, in recent years, the accuracy of GPS of civilian devices has gone off scale. Of course, you need to be careful not to use it - only God knows what will be packed into GPS2. Everything that is reflected in the command and control of troops should be only one's own
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 27 March 2016 10: 04
      +1
      In 1982, the first satellite, and I thought it was a purely Russian development ...
      1. slovak007
        slovak007 27 March 2016 10: 30
        +2
        Although the first satellite is 82, this does not mean that they are completely identical with modern ones. They already have a lot of modern things - Russian.
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 27 March 2016 10: 43
        +3
        This is a Soviet development, it was called COSPAS-space rescue. It was initially aimed not only at military navigation, but also at carrying out rescue operations at sea. Well, in any case, there was an article about COSPAS in the "Technique-youth" in the mid-80s
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        In 1982, the first satellite, and I thought it was a purely Russian development ...
      3. ARS56
        ARS56 27 March 2016 13: 05
        +2
        Sputnik Glonass - USSR, Glonass-M - USSR / Russia, Glonass-K - Russia. Now Glonass-M and Glonass-K are being tested in space.
    3. hrych
      hrych 27 March 2016 10: 08
      +21
      In Georgia, they faced this when the civilian channel was turned off. This is how the satellite constellation was built up, and this is not a matter of one day so that no one interferes with the barmaley. Also, a network of ground radio transmitters was made, so it will be in Cuba so as not to miss the Pentagon ... By the way, when our people asked to place two ground control points in the United States, they refused, as a result we closed similar points of the ZHPS with us, already belay nineteen. The reason is good. And besides Cuba, our points will operate in Vietnam, Nicaragua, Antarctica and Iran's new ally.
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 27 March 2016 10: 26
      -2
      During the fighting, you can’t use GPS at all. Americans will process all our information about the hostilities, well, about the location of military facilities that they are not supposed to know about because of secrecy.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 27 March 2016 10: 30
        +11
        Quote: Алексей_К
        You can't use GPS at all during hostilities

        By train .. Captain O., I greet you soldier

        Quote: Алексей_К
        the americans will process all of our combat information

        Um .. excuse me, how? Data from receivers Will the Americans handle GPS? belay

        Quote: Алексей_К
        about the location of military facilities that they are not supposed to know about due to secrecy

        Wow, yo-yo ...
        1. gergi
          gergi 27 March 2016 10: 52
          +1
          Alyosha confused a little here. Receivers accept. You won't process anything from them, you won't learn secrets. You can get confused in positioning or completely turn it off, which they did in Georgia in 2008.
          1. ARS56
            ARS56 27 March 2016 13: 07
            0
            Now, if this GPS receiver is in the iPhone and the Internet is connected, then the enemy has all the infa.
            1. gergi
              gergi 27 March 2016 20: 39
              0
              I have a bad idea of ​​a TU-22M3 pilot with an iPhone in his hands on a combat mission. I guess I don't have a colorful fantasy. For that, YOU fully possess it.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 March 2016 10: 57
          +4
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Wow, yo-yo ...

          Lokanichno !!! But it is extremely intelligible! A PLUS! good
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 27 March 2016 18: 41
            -1
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Wow, yo-yo ...

            Lokanichno !!! But it is extremely intelligible! A PLUS! good

            Your illiteracy is not a reason for insults. Do you know much about American systems? Just what they deigned to tell us. Or are you a GPS developer and you know absolutely everything about it?
            1. gergi
              gergi 27 March 2016 20: 44
              +1
              Alyosha, if they didn’t tell us everything, then we need to turn on our imagination to the maximum and invent all kinds of passions-muzzles. You have to scare yourself to death with all sorts of crap that climbs out of the boss. I will add, crap, which has nothing to do with reality, to put it simply, nonsense. I read the comments, did not find where they insult you.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 27 March 2016 22: 49
              +3
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Your illiteracy is not a reason for insults.

              Oh! And you already go to marshals !? Congratulations!
              I do not have the slightest desire to insult you - I have already figured out everything with you a long time ago.
              My comment on the emoticon and the form of attitude of Roman’s colleague towards your technical grayness! For all this, in my opinion, is obvious ...
              Sorry for the bluntness.
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 27 March 2016 18: 47
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Wow, yo-yo ...

          Your illiteracy is not a reason for insults. Do you know much about American systems? Just what they deigned to tell us. Or are you a GPS developer and you know absolutely everything about it?
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          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 27 March 2016 23: 14
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Do you know a lot about American systems?

            Not. But I am an engineer, and now I will start thinking ... together with you, if possible.

            GPS, like GLONASS, can be divided into 3 subsystems:

            - Space segment (navigation satellites)
            - Control segment (a la "cell" for mobile phones. The difference is that these "cells" do not interact with "telephones" (receiver-navigators))
            - Consumer segment (actually receivers-navigators)

            So: below is a picture, from which it is clearly seen that receiver receives signal from satellite.

            In order to realize your fantasies about "oh, Americans will spot us", the receiver should send a signal to the satellite..

            - estimate the power required for this
            - estimate the battery capacity in the receiver
            - and you will inevitably come to the conclusion that the receiver does not do this .. because it cannot .. otherwise the battery will run out .. but right there, practically.

            I'm not saying that from the point of view of simple logic, it is not necessary.

            If this does not convince you, then I will pass. request

            Picture, red arrows - signal direction:
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 27 March 2016 10: 48
        +1
        With the help of GPS, how will you learn "about the location of military objects that you shouldn't know about." Determine the location of the target, yes, please.
        Quote: Алексей_К
        During the fighting, you can’t use GPS at all. Americans will process all our information about the hostilities, well, about the location of military facilities that they are not supposed to know about because of secrecy.
      3. Professor
        Professor 27 March 2016 11: 06
        +8
        Quote: Алексей_К
        since Americans will process all our information about the hostilities, well, and about the location of military facilities, which they are not supposed to know about due to secrecy.

        A GPS receiver is a “receiver”, not a transmitter. It is a PASSIVE item. They do not emit anything and NOBODY can determine the location of this receiver.
        I have a Garmin watch with GPS receivers, do you think the Americans know about my location? lol
        1. kush62
          kush62 27 March 2016 11: 23
          +8
          Professor (5) Today, 11: 06 ↑ New

          I have a Garmin watch with GPS receivers, do you think the Americans know about my location?

          In your country, I think Americans know everything about everyone, even without GPS.
          1. Professor
            Professor 27 March 2016 12: 42
            +2
            Quote: kush62
            In your country, I think Americans know everything about everyone, even without GPS.

            In fact, those who have a smartphone can hardly hide something.
            In general, if the special services are interested in my modest person, then with or without GPS they will know everything about me.

            Quote: Yuyuka
            of course they know! .. don't look back ..

            Here's a bummer. And I wanted to buy the next model with GPS / GLONASS. laughing
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 27 March 2016 11: 26
          +1
          I have a Garmin watch with GPS receivers, do you think the Americans know about my location? lol

          of course they know! .. don't look back ... wassat
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 27 March 2016 18: 51
          0
          Quote: Professor
          A GPS receiver is a "receiver", not a transmitter.

          Tell me, did you develop a GPS system yourself that you are so sure that there is no transmitter there? Or are you trying to pretend to us that the Americans are completely suckers and do not use this system in any other way than they tell us. Do not fool our potential enemy.
        4. Hyppopotut
          Hyppopotut 27 March 2016 21: 16
          0
          As strange as it may seem to you, your location can be tracked by the receiver!
      4. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 27 March 2016 19: 37
        -1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        During the fighting, you can’t use GPS at all. Americans will process all our information about the hostilities, well, about the location of military facilities that they are not supposed to know about because of secrecy.

        For everyone who does not know about the GPS system, I bring the data from the enemy Wikipedia. You’ll probably believe your enemies, since you don’t believe yours:

        Wikipedia:
        Devices that use the signal from GPS satellites in their work can be divided into professional, with high accuracy location and household. The first are mainly used for military purposes, for geodesy and cartographyand the latter are widely used in various areas of modern life.

        Professional GPS receivers are classified as geodetic class receivers and GIS class receivers:

        Geodetic receivers - devices used for geodetic works. Consist of a receiving unit (geodetic antenna, combined with transceiver) and controller (industrial laptop). The common name for such receivers is a field kit or rover;
        GIS-class receivers - are an industrial version of the PDA, which is integrated transceiver device and antenna, with pre-installed specialized software.

        Who prevents Americans from inserting transmitters into navigators and smartphones and not telling ordinary people about it? And about military equipment, even not to speak. How do they learn about their positions and the location of soldiers and equipment? And how do reconnaissance tablets enter and transmit to commanders? Think with your heads, dear readers.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 March 2016 23: 18
          +1
          Quote: Алексей_К
          And about military equipment, even not to speak.

          When was the last time you saw a military GPS receiver using our military equipment !?
          And you in all seriousness believe that the "K" unit of the FSB is catching flies with its mouth !?
          Well, if you think so, then you, my friend, are a dinosaur from the first half of the 20 century !!!
          Therefore, do not pull the owl on the globe of Ukraine ... Your links to VIKI are legitimate in relation to the original amerskoy equipment sold to the "allies". And for months we have been checking (checking) even the element base (not that whole products!), Purchased over the hill for the presence of bookmarks ...
          So, not offset! The excuse is not accepted: you have blamed NONSENS, but you lack the courage to admit it. Or do you seriously believe that:
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 27 March 2016 23: 34
          +1
          Quote: Алексей_К
          For everyone who does not know about the GPS system, I quote data from the enemy Wikipedia. You will probably believe your enemies, since you don’t believe yours

          So...

          Quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
          The user segment is composed of hundreds of thousands of US and allied military users of the secure GPS Precise Positioning Service, and tens of millions of civil, commercial and scientific users of the Standard Positioning Service.

          In general, GPS receivers are composed of an antenna, tuned to the frequencies transmitted by the satellites, receiver-processors, and a highly stable clock (often a crystal oscillator).

          They may also include a display for providing location and speed information to the user. A receiver is often described by its number of channels: this signifies how many satellites it can monitor simultaneously. Originally limited to four or five, this has progressively increased over the years so that, as of 2007, receivers typically have between 12 and 20 channels

          This is just from the "enemy Wiki"

          Now show me, plz, the place where you found here transceiver.. it's not there, only the receiver request
    5. Maksus
      Maksus 27 March 2016 10: 50
      0
      Have you read about the fact that Breedlove wants to put the U-2 back in operation? Like since Powers, we haven’t got anything new and we won’t be able to do anything with them. Well, isn't it?
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 27 March 2016 11: 10
        +3
        While the U-2 is gaining nominal altitude, the territory of the Baltic will end laughing It's easier for them to launch the balls.
      3. hrych
        hrych 27 March 2016 11: 10
        +10
        Quote: Maksus
        Breedlove wants to put the U-2 back on line

        This, by the way, says a lot, namely, the ineffectiveness of NATO satellite and other technical intelligence. Rather, about the effectiveness of our troops to oppose them. They missed the transfer of large Russian formations to the Crimea, they missed the transfer of a limited contingent to Syria. And U-2, although it will not dare to fly to us, will certainly be successful in monitoring the border zone, especially since Ukraine will provide its airspace with orgasm. However, the system itself is very expensive, the aircraft is constantly on duty on a rotational basis, there is a large accident rate, especially when landing, etc. , in a word, mock illnesses ...
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    1. FenH
      FenH 27 March 2016 10: 17
      +4
      Quote: avvg
      Domestic navigation systems on military aircraft are always reliable.

      And here is the result:
      Syrian troops and the people's militia fully control Palmyra, a spokesman for the SAR armed forces said.
      And with ZhiPieSom it's good to shoot bulldozers, or to throw weapons to your brothers wink
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 27 March 2016 10: 44
        +3
        Quote: avvg
        Domestic navigation systems on military aircraft are always reliable.
        Quote: FenH
        Syrian troops and the people's militia fully control Palmyra, a spokesman for the SAR armed forces said.

        Well, 40 sorties a day across Polmyra, with the "main forces" withdrawn, also inspire optimism
        Over the past day, Russian planes in Syria have taken off 40 times to strike at targets of the "Islamic State" in the Palmyra region, RIA Novosti reports a message from the Russian Defense Ministry.
        1. FenH
          FenH 27 March 2016 10: 57
          +1
          Quote: Blondy
          Quote: avvg
          Domestic navigation systems on military aircraft are always reliable.
          Quote: FenH
          Syrian troops and the people's militia fully control Palmyra, a spokesman for the SAR armed forces said.

          Well, 40 sorties a day across Polmyra, with the "main forces" withdrawn, also inspire optimism
          Over the past day, Russian planes in Syria have taken off 40 times to strike at targets of the "Islamic State" in the Palmyra region, RIA Novosti reports a message from the Russian Defense Ministry.


          A sandstorm is coming, so they were in a hurry with the release. Well done. God forbid to keep it now. DAISH will not worry about blown up monuments and structures, unlike CAA.
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 27 March 2016 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Blondy
          Well, 40 sorties a day across Polmyra, with the "main forces" withdrawn, also inspire optimism

          The practically destroyed air defense system of Syria (the best in the Arab world in terms of TK and operation) inspires optimism, but it works
          Inspires the optimism that the Syrian Air Force can fly
          Inspires optinism that architectural monuments have been preserved
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  4. MARATHET
    MARATHET 27 March 2016 10: 06
    +3
    Use it, descendants ...! GLONASS - Soviet and Russian navigation system, developed by order of the USSR Ministry of Defense. I hope you not only know how to pump oil ...
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 27 March 2016 10: 33
      -4
      Today we all know how: to privatize, to cut the loot, to cover up corrupt officials, to hang noodles on the ears of the population.
  5. atamankko
    atamankko 27 March 2016 10: 08
    +1
    Working with your own navigation system is more fun and safer.
    1. MARATHET
      MARATHET 27 March 2016 10: 12
      0
      Quote: atamankko
      Working with your own navigation system is more fun and safer.

      Ivan Susanin invented it, back then ... laughing
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 March 2016 10: 16
      -1
      Quote: atamankko
      It's more fun and safer to work with your navigation system

      - well, "safer", it is understandable .. if they turn off, then their own, and not out of malice, but out of carelessness
      - and "more fun" - why ?? request

      Minus from me .. I don't like plusolovoff .. negative
      1. MARATHET
        MARATHET 27 March 2016 10: 18
        0
        [quote = Cat Man Null] [quote = atamankko] It's more fun and safer to work with your navigation system [/ quote]
        - well, "safer", it is understandable .. if they turn off, then their own, and not out of malice, but out of carelessness
        - and "more fun" - why ?? request
        You can navigate by moss on trees ... laughing
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 27 March 2016 10: 38
          +1
          Quote: MARATHET
          You can navigate by moss on trees

          - from the tank - it's already problematic, not always there is, um .. quite mossy wood laughing
          - from an airplane, from a ship - stupidly impossible request

          And so yes, there is such a way .. by the sun it is still possible, by the stars .. in the footsteps, in! good
          1. aleksey980
            aleksey980 27 March 2016 11: 06
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            .. the sun is still possible, the stars ..

            Yeah ... give out sextants to all fighters laughing
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 27 March 2016 11: 37
              0
              Quote: aleksey980
              Yeah ... give out sextants to all fighters

              Sex what, sorry? laughing
          2. Vitwin
            Vitwin 27 March 2016 12: 48
            +2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - from the tank - already problematic,

            Kote, Meehan in reincarnation Cocaine showed you a better interlocutor than the Cosmodrome, or was Meehan's informational content once off scale above the stool?
            Do not disappoint pliz.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 27 March 2016 13: 04
              -2
              Quote: Vitwin
              Do not disappoint pliz.

              Me exactly. I'm in a tank yes
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            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 27 March 2016 18: 50
              +3
              Vitvin, why did you register Mikhan in the women's company yesterday? Or was it such a joke?
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 March 2016 10: 11
    +1
    It would be very stupid to use the Western system, and the last sucker understands this. What's so surprising. This is an axiom.
  7. hartlend
    hartlend 27 March 2016 10: 12
    0
    For navigation and combat use of aircraft, the Russian military department uses only one satellite constellation - GLONASS, RIA Novosti reports a message from the chief navigator of the Military Transport Aviation Artyom Filippov.

    It would be strange if it were not so. The GLONASS satellite constellation has been created with taxpayers' money since the 90s, specifically for the Ministry of Defense.
  8. russmensch
    russmensch 27 March 2016 10: 13
    0
    This is certainly correct, no doubt about it. But does the system cover the whole world? As far as I know, the Americans have refused to host stations at home. In response, we closed about a dozen GPS stations in our country. Have other countries installed our stations? Will our VKS be able to carry out tasks in remote regions? Or they will be tied to the service areas of individual satellites. How many questions ...
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 27 March 2016 10: 33
      +3

      GLONASS coverage map
      Map of the coverage of the Earth's surface by the GLONASS signal.
      White zones - 100% coverage, the darker the zones, the worse the signal reception.
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      2. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho 27 March 2016 10: 50
        +2
        White areas - 100% coverage
        North America is well covered)) Is this to make it easier for missiles to navigate?
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 27 March 2016 10: 37
      +1
      Quote: russmensch
      How many questions ...


      Yes, there are many questions, the main thing is to highlight the main ones and decide on America's attitude. These American partnerships have ceased to be friendly and began to resemble the attempts of a rapist who spread dirty paws and sticky drool. They didn't give us the opportunity to build our stations - let them ask for directions about the Chukchi and the flying geese ... wink
    3. aleksey980
      aleksey980 27 March 2016 11: 13
      0
      Quote: russmensch
      This is certainly correct, no doubt about it. But does the system cover the whole world? As far as I know, the Americans have refused to host stations at home. In response, we closed about a dozen GPS stations in our country. Have other countries installed our stations? Will our VKS be able to carry out tasks in remote regions? Or they will be tied to the service areas of individual satellites. How many questions ...

      In general, ground stations are correcting and do not affect the coverage area in any way. Only for accuracy.
    4. region58
      region58 27 March 2016 15: 06
      0
      Quote: russmensch
      But does the system cover the whole world?

      The GLONASS system has an accuracy in high latitudes, that is, above the latitude of Moscow, slightly exceeds the accuracy of GPS, and, conversely, for tropical and equatorial parts it is slightly more accurate than GPS.
  9. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 27 March 2016 10: 14
    0
    Quote: hartlend
    For navigation and combat use of aircraft, the Russian military department uses only one satellite constellation - GLONASS,

    A strange statement. Since the 90s, a constellation of GLONASS satellites has been created specifically for the Ministry of Defense. Now it is being awarded as an achievement.

    It was created, but it began to be used 100% not long ago 5 years ago, and now the full transition to GLONASS has been completed, a bullet has been put in Syria, and even if you noticed, GLONASS and GPS go together in new mobile devices.
    1. hartlend
      hartlend 27 March 2016 10: 29
      0
      Of course I did. And I told my acquaintances to buy devices with GLONASS, since Jeepies can be closed for us at any time.
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist 27 March 2016 10: 17
    0
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Who would doubt it .. GPS is the US military system, which in
    the right time and in the right place gives out THAT what the Master needs ...

    For everyone except the states, this is the 21st century Susanin.
  11. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 27 March 2016 10: 20
    +1
    I was taught and I was taught - you cannot rely on one device, you must use the entire set of equipment. Rely only on yourself.
  12. Bator
    Bator 27 March 2016 10: 24
    +2
    and that's right, because our army on 08.08.08 used the Amrikosov GPS so the Americans shifted the coordinates and our artillery missed ... The plane with the President of Poland crashed for the same reason - the Americans moved the grid of coordinates and there is no Kaczynski.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 March 2016 10: 29
    +1
    And our officers still know how to use cards and compasses! And theirs? And in the event of a global mess, all these systems will be turned off first - opponents to each other. How will the weapon work then? And the aviation?
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 27 March 2016 10: 44
      +1
      I will reveal a terrible secret! Having the Garmin-Montana navigator in my hands, I nevertheless found the maps of the General Staff, classified as "secret" on a scale of 1: 100000, quietly, modestly, using the old man's way, we find lakes and channels using a good old compass and 2 batteries AAA for small Chinese flashlight. We are ready for war! soldier God forbid ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 March 2016 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How will the weapon work then? What about aviation?

      I can’t say anything about the winged brothers, but don’t worry about the fleet: until the Americans remove the "stars from the sky," they will not get away from our SLBMs! Accuracy will suffer a little, but 250m for medium power UPS is within the "funnel"!
  14. Walera
    Walera 27 March 2016 10: 43
    +1
    In Russia, everything should be your own, your own and reliable. Both technology and people! Unfortunately, sometimes they both fail. But we will handle it and fix it! good
  15. Barakuda
    Barakuda 27 March 2016 10: 44
    0
    I'll write sedition. The Russian navigator is less accurate by three meters, you can check. Which, however, does not affect ... the hits of the same Caliber. winked
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 27 March 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Both the American GPS system and the Russian GLONASS have different position measurement errors for civil and military use.
    2. igor67
      igor67 27 March 2016 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      I'll write sedition. The Russian navigator is less accurate by three meters, you can check. Which, however, does not affect ... the hits of the same Caliber. winked

      Is this sedition? The VO has already discussed specifically the GLONASS system and its dependence on American components: Earlier, the head of the URSC Igor Komarov reported that Russia, under Western sanctions, would order microelectronics and machine tools for rocket and space technology in China, South Korea and other Asian countries. At the same time, it was reported that Rostec is negotiating with the China Electronic Technology Corporation (CETC) and the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) on the joint development of technologies that combine the capabilities of GLONASS and the Chinese Beidou system.

      Back in May, the head of the RCS Gennady Raikunov reported that the United States had not issued a license to supply Russia with components for assembling and launching satellites that are in the assembly stage. Russia did not receive integrated circuits and
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 March 2016 11: 14
      +6
      Quote: Barracuda
      The Russian navigator is less accurate by three meters, you can check.

      Outdated data on civil systems. The warrior's accuracy was brought to 0,3m. They are going to bring to 0,1m.
      And in high latitudes, amas are generally in flight.
      Therefore, the Norwegians and Swedes use our system, sending the Amish forest, sorry, tundra!
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  17. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 27 March 2016 10: 47
    0
    domestic system - GLONASS
    It is long overdue to buy a navigator, I would like to take a domestic one, but have not found it yet.
  18. Cat man null
    Cat man null 27 March 2016 10: 48
    0
    Fly in the ointment: unfinished GLONASS Center, Korolev MO.

    How many stolen - do not count (they still .. count).

    And GLONASS works great without it .. um .. "center" request
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 27 March 2016 11: 31
      +1

      Cat man null (2) US  Today, 10:48 New
      Fly in the ointment: unfinished GLONASS Center, Korolev MO.


      Completed. hi
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 27 March 2016 13: 10
        -1
        Quote: PCTRL
        Completed

        Yes-you-what ?? belay

        I'll tell you a secret now, sit down so as not to fall:

        - a picture taken from the roof of the house where I live wink
        - the building is mothballed, there is nothing in it (or they are very well camouflaged) ..

        Voooot yes
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  19. midshipman
    midshipman 27 March 2016 11: 13
    +6
    SRNS "GLONASS" was created in the 80s. It had the code "Hurricane". At that moment I was in charge of 6GU of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry. NII-93 (LNIRTI), the current name of JSC RIRV, took part in the creation of the system. This enterprise created a CEB with a service life of 10 years. This is how we worked. The scientists were of the highest standard. In general, for aviation the Russian Aerospace Forces are used: the RSBN short-range radio navigation system, the RSDN long-range radio navigation system and a unique inertial system. Without the latter, it is impossible to provide flights, because loss of navigation information is fraught with non-fulfillment of the combat mission. When landing, the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces uses instrumental landing systems: ILS, PRMG and MLS. And also landing radars of the PRLS family. All this was created by NII-33 (VNIIRA), the current name of JSC VNIIRA.
    I remember the incident that happened to me when our squadron entered the Mediterranean in the early 80s and used the Laurent system (USA) for radio navigation. Directly the Commander-in-Chief calls me in the morning on the military unit and summons me to his side street near the "Red Gate". I reported to the minister and drove off. Sergei Georgievich, addressing me by name, patronymic, asks: "Why is it recorded on the ship's receivers that the coordinates of all ships are land, not the sea." I explained that at night the Americans had introduced delays on the transmitted signals. They told their own, but they are not going to do it to us. “What should we do?” Was the question. "Sergei Georgievich, I asked to put our chain of RSDN" Tropik "in this water area. Now we need to switch to RSDN" Route ". And that was done. I have the honor.
    1. aleksey980
      aleksey980 27 March 2016 11: 24
      0
      Quote: midshipman
      and a unique inertial system.

      And when did this inertial navigation system suddenly become our uniqueness? what
  20. NEXUS
    NEXUS 27 March 2016 11: 15
    +1
    I think it is necessary to build up the GLONASS satellite constellation, and work on the accuracy, which today is somewhat worse than that of GPS (for GLONASS - from 3 to 8 meters, for GPS - from 2 to 4 meters).
    1. aleksey980
      aleksey980 27 March 2016 11: 31
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      I think it is necessary to build up the GLONASS satellite constellation, and work on the accuracy, which today is somewhat worse than that of GPS (for GLONASS - from 3 to 8 meters, for GPS - from 2 to 4 meters).

      This is for the broad masses. Surveyors are quite capable of working with GPS systems, ensuring accuracy within a few centimeters. But there, and the minimum set of equipment costs half a million, and even more decently. I think Glonass also has the same frequency division garbage.
  21. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 27 March 2016 11: 19
    0
    Not surprising.
    It was for military use that the national navigation system was created in the first place.
  22. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 March 2016 11: 33
    0
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Well, in any case, there was an article about COSPAS in "Technology-youth" in the mid-80s

    COSPAS really was the first, but not the last attempt to implement a program to ensure the withdrawal of our navigation aids from under the US hydra.
    To our great regret, until the beginning of the 21st century, our ambitions to abandon GPS were not realized. There were a lot of reasons for this, both objective and other, moreover, they were tied by enslaving agreements on missile defense, etc. They did, they sent everyone, and the staff members lost all hopes of their global control over the "enemy", and then China got out of control with its "BeiDou" - "BADLE". Independence is a great achievement!
  23. Stinger
    Stinger 27 March 2016 11: 45
    0
    Our pilots even flew according to the picture on the Belomor pack. Glonass sodzan primarily for targeting high-precision weapons, as well as GPS. Therefore, what kind of combat use of GPS in our weapons systems. Making mistakes and goodbye Odessa.
  24. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 March 2016 11: 47
    +2
    Judging by the Syrian achievements, the system is right!
  25. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 27 March 2016 12: 26
    0
    That's right! Correct steps! But aren't we going too long and slowly in this direction !?
  26. driving
    driving 27 March 2016 18: 45
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    Do not use GPS smartphones in the army, in combat!

    In general, smartphones and Internet access in parts should be prohibited. not X. will cost
    Quote: Stinger
    Our pilots even flew according to the picture on the Belomor pack.

    There is a shot where the pilot has a jeepies navigator on the panel, almost with duct tape, and this is already a shame.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 March 2016 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: driving
      There is a frame where the pilot has a jeepies navigator on the panel, almost with duct tape, and this is already a shame

      It's a shame not when you see, but when there is nothing to show (c)

      What is embarrassing (and where, by the way, is that shot, I would like to check it out)?

      There is no regular navigator - they strapped a wearable, they use it. And navigators supporting GLONASS now ... at least eat a booty well, a lot.

      And all request
  27. Cartman
    Cartman 27 March 2016 21: 46
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    And it is absolutely natural that any use by any subscriber can be seen by THEM!

    nonsense
  28. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 28 March 2016 01: 39
    0
    Quote: dmi.pris
    This is a Soviet development, it was called COSPAS-space rescue.

    COSPAS-SARSAT is an international system, a bit older than GLONASS and other GPS. Previously (since 1982) used the emergency frequency 121,5 MHz (until 2009) now - 406 MHz. There, some of the satellites fly in polar orbits, some in equatorial orbits (geostationary).
  29. iouris
    iouris 28 March 2016 01: 44
    0
    quote
    “There are a lot of global satellite navigation systems - these are GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou - Chinese, Galileo
    End of quote.
    There are two global satellite navigation systems - GPS and GLONASS.
    The author is apparently incompetent.