ZVO artillerymen fired from Tulips

The unit of the heavy artillery formation of the ZVO destroyed an enemy command post from the Tulip 240-mm self-propelled mortar during an exercise in the Tambov Region, reports RIA News message of the district press service.

Archive photo

“In the course of combat training, the soldiers of the mortar battery worked out the tasks of firing high-explosive fragmentation shells at the enemy’s submerged command posts, underground ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants that are inaccessible for the destruction of other ground artillery. The intelligence and the quality of the destruction of the targets was carried out by Zastava unmanned aerial vehicles, ”the release says.

It is also noted that "in training, the military worked out the tasks of the march preparation, selection and occupation of prepared and unprepared positions, topographic and geodetic referencing of the terrain, as well as fire-fighting maneuvers after shooting."

In total, according to the district, “over one hundred military personnel and about 50 units of weapons and military equipment took part in the event”.

Help Ministry of Defense: The “Tulip” 2C4 mortar is intended for the destruction of solid field structures, buildings adapted by the enemy to shelter manpower and equipment, command posts, artillery and rocket batteries and other military equipment inaccessible for table fire. The self-propelled mortar 2C4 is the only mortar of this caliber in the world and has no analogues ”.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

This is a mortar. Impressive!

[Vladimir16]

I agree, a wonderful device!
I like mechanical monsters.
Feels the power!

[cniza]

Very impressive, once again I admire the names of our weapons systems. Thank.

[vovanpain]

Nice "Flower Garden" in Russia.

[DMB_95]

"Flowers of Russia" is power! Such a "bouquet" would be in the face of some of our "partners"!

[Dart2027]

And not only the flower garden.

[Ze Kot]

Then the "Host".

[siberalt]

"Tulips" is better by March 8th, but by May 9th "Carnations" are needed.

[family tree]

Quote: siberalt

"Tulips" is better by March 8th, but by May 9th "Carnations" are needed.

No, there really is for everything, so "Genocides", oh "Hyacinths" of course
And why "Nonu-S" was called "Violet"? Disorder, however

[hartlend]

They were able to make equipment in the USSR, it is still relevant.

[Denis Obukhov]

A total of about one hundred military personnel, as well as 50 units of military equipment and weapons, took part in the exercises.

Translating into a common language company (battalion) tactical exercises with live shooting

[gergi]

Artillery Division.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Translating into a common language company (battalion) tactical exercises with live shooting

Translated into ordinary language, the tactical exercises of the 18th separate self-propelled mortar division of high power with live firing. Apparently, during the field exit of artillery.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Comrade Lopatov

[family tree]

Quote: Spade

Apparently, during the field exit of artillery.

In, there is someone to ask. And the "Brave" is still in service, or has disappeared, for the "Tulips" it seems like ammunition was

[Lopatov]

Quote: perepilka

And the "Brave" is still in service, or has disappeared, for the "Tulips" it seems like ammunition was

As of now, I don’t know. Maybe they have already disposed of everything.

But in the second Chechen they were quite actively used.

[family tree]

Quote: Spade

But in the second Chechen they were quite actively used.

And how, by accuracy? And then, with the D-30, 122, no, well, tries

[Lopatov]

They are correctable. By accuracy, fine.

[Platonich]

Not that word! Trumpet of death for all reptiles!

[family tree]

Quote: Platonitch

Death tube d

Yeah, especially the code is nearby, this fool, and kind of her

[Observer2014]

"Artillerymen of the Western Military District conducted live firing from" Tulips "
After this mortar in Lugansk, Galitei began to whine that they used tactical nuclear weapons.

[Stinger]

Serious flower.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Stinger

Serious flower.

Quote: oleg-gr

This is a mortar. Impressive!

out Syrians than figachat - weight 1250kg

[Bayonet]

Quote: Stinger

Serious flower.

The performance characteristics of the mortar 2C4 "Tulip"

Mass in combat position, t
27,5
Crew, people. 5
Length m
7,94
Height, m
3,20
Width, m 3,25
Armament: 240-mm mortar 2B-8,
7,62 mm PKT machine gun
Shots with mine F-864(OFM) 20
Shots with a mine ZVF2 (ARM) 10
Cartridges for machine gun PKT 1500
Maximum firing range, km: OFM / AWP 9,8 / 18
V-59U engine
Engine power
520 hp

[Appraiser]

In the photo, this is 203 mm 2S7 ("Peony)" and not 240mm 2S4 ("Tulip") (note the chassis number of road wheels for the edition 2C7 -7 (seven) and for 2C4 -6 (six)

[pts-m]

That's interesting. How tall should the loader be in order to lower the mine through the barrel from above. Yes. Maybe I am behind the times. And so cool device !.

[Dimon19661]

Charging from the breech.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: PTS-m

Interestingly

Self-propelled mortar 2C4 "Tulip"

[Shark Lover]

It breaks))) There are no such Schwartzes yet to throw such a suitcase from the top) But it hits it seriously, if you still have to put a fuse, then when shooting at rocks, the stone crusher is resting.

[gergi]

Charged from the breech. To do this, tilt horizontally.

[silverwolf88]

the artillery veteran is back in service)) ... even tactical nuclear munitions were once used for it ... I wonder if new types of shots to the Tulip have appeared

[Dryuya2]

Quote: silberwolf88

artillery veteran back in service))

maybe they prepare for the "tour" through the Bosphorus

[antiexpert]

>> tactical nuclear weapons were once
they didn’t go anywhere - here it is))

[Fregate]

Quote: antiexpert

they didn’t go anywhere - here it is))

No, it's not him. The "Tulip" has a caliber of 240 mm, and in your photo under the shell on the tag it says: caliber - 152 mm.)

[Semen Semyonitch]

"Yes, his grenades are of the wrong system" ... (film "White Sun of the Desert")

[antiexpert]

the warhead at 152 and 240 is the same)))

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: antiexpert

they didn’t go anywhere - here it is))

You are more careful with him

[antiexpert]

Yeah - but this warhead, judging by the caliber, can be put on the same "calibers"))

[Bayonet]

Quote: silberwolf88

even tactical nuclear munitions were once under him ...

Nuclear shells with a capacity of 2 kilotons in the usual and active-reactive version, as well as neutron shells "Resin" and "Fata".

[x.andvlad]

An impressive "cannon"! Good caliber!
The range of a conventional projectile was 9650 m, and that of a projectile with a rocket accelerator was 20 000 m. The range of ammunition also includes armor-piercing, nuclear and laser-guided projectiles.
More firing with precision munitions!

[DMB_95]

And how many such mortars are now (and on conservation, if any) operating? TTX read and about their current service, unfortunately, not in the know. Like in the First Chechen used. I thought that with a stool they were cut .. Cool unit!

[Ros 56]

All of you guys are lying. You didn’t destroy the command post, but you didn’t reach Kiev, that's just it.

[gispanec]

Quote: Ros 56

You didn’t destroy the command post, you didn’t shoot to Kiev, that's just it

[polite people]

They love nature in Russia !!! Here is such a Russian soul.

[aszzz888]

Cool samovar! And the paint on it is almost new - they shot a little.

[Cat man null]

Video, just to close the questions about the "growth of the loader"

[Primus pilus]

It would be nice to launch a drone-spotter from the trunk of the "Tulip".

[Lopatov]

What for?
The Tulip needs a much larger UAV with a stabilized target illumination system.

[Primus pilus]

Quote: Spade

What for?
The Tulip needs a much larger UAV with a stabilized target illumination system.

And how do you like a dodging kamikaze UAV with TV guidance, it seems ideal for the Tulip. In any case, it’s a pity that no one is modernizing it. See the mortar’s potential, it’s too early to write it off.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Primus Pilus

And how do you like the hovering UAV-kamikaze with TV-guidance

Not that tactical niche.
This is either for infantry tankers, in order to hit targets themselves out of line of sight, or for MLRS like "Smerch" to work at long ranges.

[infantry76]

Lord comrades!
And who said that the old is not effective? And how effective ... And "Tulips" and "Hyacinths" and "Peonies" and "Carnations" and "Acacia", and the same T-72 tanks of all modifications, and much more, oh, how will it serve our armies, while they launch new weapons on the conveyor!
GLORY OF THE ARMY OF RUSSIA AND ITS WARRIORS !!!
I have the honor!

[Lopatov]

Spit? ..

1. UAV "Zastava" seriously limits the combat capabilities of "Tulips" due to the lack of a target illumination system, and therefore, the impossibility of using "Brave"

2. "Tulip" - a great car with a huge potential for modernization. It has shown its highest efficiency in battles in the mountains, in settlements, in closed and semi-closed areas. However, this modernization potential is not being realized. There is no special problem in the informatization of ACS, the installation of modern topographic reference systems and ASUNO. But at the same time nothing is done.
Not to mention the new base, facilitating loading and increasing rate of fire.

3. Ammunition. They are "stuck" in the USSR. From the conditionally new - "Brave" and cassette with fragmentation BE. No new mines, no new fuses, no new, more convenient charges.

4. There are few of them. The towed version of the M-240 was kicked out of the troops long ago, and most likely was cut. Although for local conflicts, with almost no counter-battery, they are preferable to self-propelled guns.

[avt]

Quote: Spade

3. Ammunition. They are "stuck" in the USSR. From the conditionally new - "Brave" and cassette with fragmentation BE. No new mines, no new fuses, no new, more convenient charges.

Yes-ah. With the firearm "to play" and the guidance system for him - this "flower" will not fade for a long time.

Quote: Spade

The towed version of the M-240 was kicked out of the troops long ago, and most likely was cut. Although for local conflicts, with almost no counter-battery, they are preferable to self-propelled guns.

A towed is not heavy? 160 mm is already healthy. Well, I don’t know, for my taste and color, 120mm is just right, but everything above should be equipped with a self-propelled gun.

[Lopatov]

Quote: avt

Yes-ah. With the firearm "to play" and the guidance system for him - this "flower" will not fade for a long time.

He urgently needs a controlled mine. With inertial control system with correction for global positioning data. And the possibility of additional installation of a semi-active laser seeker, as on the "Brave"
An active-reactive mine with a cluster warhead with "anti-tank" self-aiming submunitions from the Smerch arsenal
Smoke mine for sighting
Perhaps mine with a thermobaric warhead
New detonators that provide detonation at a set height for active-reactive and conventional mines ...
In short, work is no end.

Quote: avt

A towed is not heavy? 160 mm is already healthy. Well, I don’t know, for my taste and color, 120mm is just right, but everything above should be equipped with a self-propelled gun.

Too heavy. Mi-8 on the external load will not pull.
And the 160 mm mortar is also cool. But here it is necessary to consider, this is plus one more caliber with the need to update (and create) the entire line of ammunition.

And 120th is battalion artillery. And to complete the tasks assigned to "Tulips" is not able to.

[Mikhail Harichev]

Hmm, 160mm is too much

[sw6513]

A serious tool is good that there are similar things in our army.

[Denimax]

The goal of such exercises is unclear, why should such a monstrous barrel be attracted? There are many other options for the same purpose.

[Lopatov]

In order to know how. BM calculations on substitutes do not train.

But gentlemen officers most likely shot as a substitute. I do not know what they have there, "kulak sawed-off" or 120-mm mortar ...

[Denimax]

Cut it? For me, these mortars have long been out of date. Some Dora turns out. Here, in my opinion, this trend is, according to the satisfaction of the patriots, more and more strongly.
And the patriots, along the way, beat mosquitoes at home with a sledgehammer.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Denimax

Cut it?

In the sense of "cut"? This has always been the case, since the days of the USSR.
Each artillery officer must, at least once every six months, shoot in live firing. This is a lot of shells (8-10 for each) and shot barrels. Therefore, for such things they use "substitutes" - old tools.

Regular ammunition with standard guns is usually fired only by battery commanders and battalion commanders. But they do not take into account the working time, but the full, "time to complete the firing mission." Poorly trained subordinates, they will give you a grade in time and will stretch you.
The rest is the working time, that is, the stopwatch turns on with the receipt of the target (with the appearance of a gap) and turns off after issuing the command to the radiotelephone operator.

Quote: Denimax

Some Dora turns out.

But this is really great art. system. In some cases, allowing to reach those goals that howitzer and especially cannon artillery are simply not available.
Yes, she is old. Yes, it needs deep modernization. But it is impossible to refuse it unequivocally.

[kamski]

Well, as for the substitutes, I don’t know there are add-on trunks for training. It is inserted inside the barrel and shoots with small calibers from the main gun

[Lopatov]

And there are inset. For direct fire. But this thing is a bit from a different opera.

[Lopatov]

Actually, why do we need combat firing, in the "cauldron", with normal HE ammunition, even if it is tiny (the ZIS-3 was actively used as a substitute, at least when I served)

Because not a single simulator, starting with the ancient rifle ranges, and ending with the most modern computer using virtual reality, will never give 100% similarity to real art. fire.
Even a simple zeroing on the observation of break marks ("take the fork") has its own nuances. For example, experienced officers try to use the wind. Sometimes the field is flat and it is difficult to determine undershoot / overflights. And if the breeze "dragged" a cloud of dust in front of the target, it is short. If for her, a flight.

Well, in the case of precisely these exercises, it was completely impossible without real shooting. Corrected, as is clear from the article, using drones. That is, without real gaps in real 240 mm mines, UAV operators simply won’t know how it looks from a height.

[Platonich]

And I like most of all the footcloth on the trunk! After the defeat, it probably covers the affected areas!

[Voenoboz]

If such a mortar was made, then it is needed.

[Thunderbolt]

A powerful weapon, and in addition to a nuclear weapon, can loudly "bang." But what about counter-battery warfare?

[Lopatov]

These are "big uncles". They are used when the "struggle for supremacy in artillery" has already been won and the enemy's artillery has been suppressed.

[Chisayna]

During the storming of Grozny, in 99-2000, such a mortar with one or two mines demolished the five-story building along with the militants at a time.

[Vadim237]

Most likely, shells, neither conventional, nor actively reactive, nor controlled, are no longer being released for this mortar and they are not going to modernize it - maybe a new large-caliber mortar is being prepared to replace it, with a long firing range - who knows, but in general we have problems with artillery - for 25 years, except for "Khosta" and "SV Coalition" new artillery systems were not released.

[twincam]

such a normal pushkin)))

[kamski]

As I know, there are nuclear charges for this mortar

[berezinalexander]

Excellent trunk when upgrading the platform and suo. It would be nice to make such a mortar based on the chassis of the Kurgan 25. The unification of platforms is never superfluous. Tank T 14 and BMP T 15 are created on a single platform, but have a different layout. Why not install a proven gun on a new base. The firing range of mortars can never be compared with barreled artillery, so developing everything from scratch is not required. Mortar must maintain mobility along with increased crew security

[Appraiser]

No need to reinvent the wheel ..... The product 240 mm 2C4 was intended exclusively for artillery reserve units of the GK SV. Each weapon model has its own tactical (operational tactical) task .....

[Andrey_9]

I would like to know what shells he uses?