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The representative of the CS "Zvezdochka": the idea of ​​transferring the Sevastopol plant to Inkerman is absurd

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The proposal, sounded with the Sevastopol government, about the transfer of the capacity of Sevmorzavod (a branch of Severodvinsk CS “Zvezdochka”) to Inkerman is unreasonable, reports RIA News statement by the representative of the "stars" Sergei Dolzhikova.


The representative of the CS "Zvezdochka": the idea of ​​transferring the Sevastopol plant to Inkerman is absurd


According to the information, a day ago, the government of Sevastopol hosted a presentation of the “concept of the master city master plan, which should be developed before the end of 2016 and submitted to the legislative assembly”. Among other things, the project provides for the “transfer of Sevmorzavod’s facilities from the South Bay, where the main southern site of the company is located, to Inkerman (near Sevastopol).”

“This idea is absolutely not viable. This is like a proposal to transfer the capital of Russia from Moscow to Sevastopol. The idea, to put it mildly, is so fantastic that it doesn’t even need to be discussed ”,
said Dolzhikov.

He noted that “the place for the main site of Sevmorzavod was not chosen by chance, many factors were taken into account, including the depth in the bay, climatic, hydrological, meteorological and many other features, and visiting experts obviously all of these factors when developing the concept The new general plan does not take into account.

“Meanwhile, the depth of the Inkerman coastline is about three to four meters, and ships and ships with a large draft will simply not fit there. It seems that the compilers of the master plan of Sevastopol conceived something that even the Ukrainian oligarchs who had owned the Sevmorzavod did not dare to do at the time, ”Dolzhikov emphasized.

Previously, the plant belonged to Petro Poroshenko.

Help Agency: “CS“ Zvezdochka ”is the largest ship repair enterprise in Russia. It specializes in the repair, modernization and re-equipment of submarines (including nuclear power plants) and surface ships, the construction and repair of marine equipment for various purposes, the manufacture of engineering products, the production of propulsion systems, the utilization of marine equipment for various purposes.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 March 2016 10: 31
    +19
    "visiting specialists, obviously, do not take into account all these factors when developing the concept of a new general plan"

    The main thing is to cut some money for the project.
    1. FLY
      FLY 26 March 2016 10: 52
      -10%
      to Inkerman
      The name is alarming and in general .. Men work fine! We will do without "mans"! bully
      1. SU69
        SU69 26 March 2016 11: 14
        +4
        Quote: FLY
        to Inkerman
        The name is alarming and in general .. Men work fine! We will do without "mans"! bully

        The city arose in the 6 century BC. e., when the Greeks erected the fortress of Kalamita on the Monastery rock to protect the approaches to Chersonesos.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 26 March 2016 11: 37
          +4
          The city arose in the 6 century BC. e., when the Greeks erected the fortress of Kalamita on the Monastery rock to protect the approaches to Chersonesos.

          How to live without Wikipedia, I can’t imagine!

          And which monastery was on the Monastery rock BEFORE the Greek fortress?
          And where does the name Inkerman come from?
          The Greeks built a fortress, and a city appeared nearby? Oh miracle?
          Or did the Greeks build a fortress and build a city?
          Or Wikipedia is silent, or did you have to read it to the end, and then put the whole article here?

          But why?

          After all, they called the Turks, though it sounds somehow Jewish)))
          1. SU69
            SU69 26 March 2016 11: 42
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir16
            The city arose in the 6 century BC. e., when the Greeks erected the fortress of Kalamita on the Monastery rock to protect the approaches to Chersonesos.

            And which monastery was on the Monastery rock before the Greek fortress?
            And where does the name Inkerman come from?
            The Greeks built a fortress, and a city appeared nearby? Oh miracle?
            Or did the Greeks build a fortress and build a city?

            Google to the rescue ! hi
        2. FLY
          FLY 26 March 2016 11: 55
          0
          Quote: SU69
          Quote: FLY
          to Inkerman
          The name is alarming and in general .. Men work fine! We will do without "mans"! bully

          The city arose in the 6 century BC. e., when the Greeks erected the fortress of Kalamita on the Monastery rock to protect the approaches to Chersonesos.

          Chersonesos, nevertheless sounds more harmonious than Inkerman (knocks on the ear and wants to grab the TT ..)))))
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 26 March 2016 15: 18
            +1
            Chersonesos, nevertheless sounds more harmonious than Inkerman

            Inkerman is a historical name! Peninsula "Crimea" (does not hurt your ear?) Too! You will also rename Ayu-dag to Bear Mountain. How will you differ from the same "Maidanutyh" then? You can't get rid of the dominance of Tatar names! From 1441 the independent Crimean Khanate to 1783 was annexed by Empress Catherine II to Russia. And the Tatars were "deported" from there only in 1944. Whoever was there!
            Tauris, Cimmerians, Greeks, Scythians, Romans, Goths, Huns, Byzantines, Khazars, Genoese, Armenians, Mongols, Adygs. Each of these peoples left its cultural heritage and history to Crimea.
            hi
        3. co-creator
          co-creator 26 March 2016 18: 07
          0
          Quote: SU69
          The city arose in the 6 century BC. e., when the Greeks erected the fortress of Kalamita on the Monastery rock to protect the approaches to Chersonesos.

          Moscow arose 2 thousands of years ago, so the natives built a village for fishing laughing . Dude, do you even understand, at least sometimes, what are you writing about?
          1. SU69
            SU69 26 March 2016 20: 40
            0
            Quotation: blooded man
            Quote: SU69
            The city arose in the 6 century BC. e., when the Greeks erected the fortress of Kalamita on the Monastery rock to protect the approaches to Chersonesos.

            Moscow arose 2 thousands of years ago, so the natives built a village for fishing laughing . Dude, do you even understand, at least sometimes, what are you writing about?

            Yes you are a cool dude! laughing
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 26 March 2016 22: 40
              -1
              Quote: SU69
              Yes you are a cool dude!

              I'm learning from you.
    2. SU69
      SU69 26 March 2016 11: 05
      0
      Among other things, the project envisages "transferring the facilities of Sevmorzavod from the Yuzhnaya Bay, where the main southern site of the enterprise is located, to Inkerman (near Sevastopol)."
      First: Inkerman is part of Sevastopol.
      Secondly: in the project, depending on the load
      factory, transfer to Inkerman or to the northern site.
      Taking into account the plans for the development of the fleet (the receipt of new and decommissioning of old ships), a significant loading of the plant is not expected.
      The 13th plant is "sewn up", but not enough to fully load the SMZ.
      It seems that the drafters of the general plan of Sevastopol conceived something that even the Ukrainian oligarchs who had previously owned the Sevmorzavod did not dare at one time, ”Dolzhikov emphasized.
      Just do not have time!
      No wonder journalism is called the second oldest profession.
      1. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 26 March 2016 19: 28
        0
        "Moskva" was being repaired in the 30th dock in Inkerman and nothing (he himself was at the VALM pier near the thermal power station). The depths allow. And the climate with hydrology and meteorology will not change from the transfer of 5 km.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 26 March 2016 20: 55
          +2
          Quote: Karayakupovo
          "Moskva" was being repaired in the 30th dock in Inkerman and nothing (he himself was at the VALM pier near the thermal power station). The depths allow. And the climate with hydrology and meteorology will not change from the transfer of 5 km.

          What to guess about the options?
          Think about the main thing - what does "relocate the plant" mean?
          Depths are needed taking into account the descent of ships,
          Platforms under the stocks with the corresponding foundations ...
          Piers to completion and sludge ...

          At the cost of relocating the plant - this is how to rebuild it.
          Only ignoramuses try to propose such plans.
          For example, in St. Petersburg there were also strange heads under Sobchak - they came up with the idea of ​​moving almost all of the Leningrad shipbuilding plants to Kronstadt ...
          This nonsense did not take place.
          Now the Admiralty Association is almost the only well-functioning shipbuilding plant - it is here that submarines are built without delay.

          My opinion - I consider the initiators of such ideas to be empty breaches and enemies of the Motherland, trying to disrupt the implementation of the replenishment program of the Patriotic Fleet.
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 26 March 2016 23: 39
            0
            Quote: Sergey S.
            Think about the main thing - what does "relocate the plant" mean?
            Depths are needed taking into account the descent of ships,
            Platforms under the stocks with the corresponding foundations ...
            Piers to completion and sludge ...


            Well such expenses ...
            And accordingly, such grandmas!
            Here are the next combiners have prepared a plan for "cutting the century"
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    4. Homo
      Homo 26 March 2016 12: 05
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The main thing is to cut some money for the project.

      The main thing is to free land in the city (very expensive) and sell it for VIP development.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 26 March 2016 12: 38
        +6
        The main thing is to free land in the city (very expensive) and sell it for VIP development

        I agree. to take ANY city of Russia - a similar situation - land in the center is always in price, even in the city of a millionaire, even in the center of the village. I am sure that the same story is here. Right now they will blow (offended and pompous) about investment attractiveness, they say the plant is not needed here in the center. That’s how industry is killed in our country through capital — there was a factory — it became a place for the VIP quarter. And the sheriff’s Negro (factory) problems don’t ... care.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 26 March 2016 18: 11
          +1
          Quote: DenZ
          I agree. to take ANY city of Russia - a similar situation - land in the center is always in price, even in the city of a millionaire, even in the center of the village.

          This is a common situation for the whole WORLD. What people are surprised at is incomprehensible.
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      3. code54
        code54 26 March 2016 14: 13
        +1
        Essno! Private yachts are convenient to park! The new mansion’s private mansion (two steps to the sea)!
    5. coleg-10
      coleg-10 27 March 2016 00: 48
      +1
      It smacks of betrayal and corruption ... I need a prosecutor.
  2. family tree
    family tree 26 March 2016 10: 33
    +17
    But how not to transfer that! It’s the same old thing to break, then the new one to build, it’s possible to cut as much dough at the construction site, and then it turns out that, well, the wrong place was, the old one was better, and again sawed wassat
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 26 March 2016 10: 42
      +2
      “This idea is absolutely not viable. It’s like with the proposal to transfer the capital of Russia from Moscow to Sevastopol. Idea to put it mildly so fantastic that you don’t even need to discuss it, ”Dolzhikov said.
      And who, who is the director ?! ("Moscow does not believe in tears!")
      "IDEAS"!

      PS: That's who the pencil is!
      (to plant. am )
      Explicit desire to "work" (bablop)
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 26 March 2016 10: 46
        +1
        The crisis, but "people" want to build a cottage and buy a new jeep and take his wife abroad.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 26 March 2016 13: 50
          0
          "These special" crises do not happen .. They don't give a damn about the industry .. although not, when it is necessary to cut the money project, they are the first here ..
      2. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 26 March 2016 10: 59
        +6
        It’s like with the proposal to transfer the capital of Russia from Moscow to Sevastopol. The idea, to put it mildly, is so fantastic that you don’t even need to discuss it, "

        This is really fantastic, but the construction of a new capital of Russia somewhere in the Chelyabinsk-Kurgan regions would be very nice!
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 26 March 2016 13: 52
          +1
          The Brazilians did it already, some fifty years ago. They moved the capital from the suffocating overpopulated and criminalized Rio to the selva ..
          Quote: Tartar 174
          It’s like with the proposal to transfer the capital of Russia from Moscow to Sevastopol. The idea, to put it mildly, is so fantastic that you don’t even need to discuss it, "

          This is really fantastic, but the construction of a new capital of Russia somewhere in the Chelyabinsk-Kurgan regions would be very nice!
    2. Yasha Gypsy
      Yasha Gypsy 26 March 2016 10: 55
      +2
      Precisely, directly Napoleons: "First you need to get involved in a serious battle, and then you will see."
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 26 March 2016 10: 36
    +10
    this is reminiscent of the release of a delicious piece of coast under the hotel. but then where does the concept of the city of a hero. This is a concept of a city under tourists.
    1. sevsor
      sevsor 26 March 2016 11: 42
      +6
      This is not a "concept of a city for tourists", it is the implementation of the idea of ​​Petsa ParAshenko, who previously owned "Sevmorzavod", i.e. to bring the factory, which employed 15 thousand people, to ruin, which he successfully carried out, then in its place to build elite housing, offices, shopping centers, etc. Who was in Sevastopol knows that the plant is located in a good place (across the bay - the city center). Now the "pink dream" of the ukrooligarch is going to be fulfilled by the team of the Admiral-Governor Menyailo, an extremely unpopular personality in the city, which in two years of "activity" has shown itself to be a worthless manager and stupid business executive. Interestingly, unique dry docks, these "metropolitan experts" suggest filling up? (((
      1. SU69
        SU69 26 March 2016 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: sevsor
        This is not a "concept of a city for tourists", it is the implementation of the idea of ​​Petsa ParAshenko, who previously owned "Sevmorzavod", i.e. to bring the factory, which employed 15 thousand people, to ruin, which he successfully carried out, then in its place to build elite housing, offices, shopping centers, etc. Who was in Sevastopol knows that the plant is located in a good place (across the bay - the city center). Now the "pink dream" of the ukrooligarch is going to be fulfilled by the team of the Admiral-Governor Menyailo, an extremely unpopular personality in the city, which in two years of "activity" has shown itself to be a worthless manager and stupid business executive. Interestingly, unique dry docks, these "metropolitan experts" suggest filling up? (((

        hello to fellow countrymen. hi
        1. sevsor
          sevsor 26 March 2016 11: 49
          0
          Hi)) Is there anything to add, fellow countryman?
          1. SU69
            SU69 26 March 2016 12: 00
            0
            Quote: sevsor
            Hi)) Is there anything to add, fellow countryman?

            What's with the helicopter? It seems that they were going to transfer, and build up the "fat" coast in Omega?
            Especially in Rostec now Serdyukov.
            PS and Sevmorzavod sorry. My father worked there and I only wrote a diploma in techies there.
            By the way, is the 3 pheasant still alive?
  4. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 26 March 2016 10: 43
    +2
    The man commented: "The idea, to put it mildly, is so fantastic that you don't even need to discuss it" ...
    Therefore, there is nothing to add.
  5. Pereira
    Pereira 26 March 2016 10: 45
    +4
    The motivation is clear. Free the territory and sell at space prices. The circuit was run in and implemented in Moscow. Now Moscow is a city of menagers.
    But the thought of moving the capital is very sensible. Not to Sevastopol, of course. For example, in Vladimir. I believe that after that the deputy corps will be very much updated.
    And if someone says that it’s expensive, I’ll answer: the oligarchs will pay for everything, who will transfer their head offices to Vladimir (or another place) in order to continue to live and work next to the officials.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 March 2016 10: 52
      +9
      Quote: Pereira
      For example, in Vladimir.

      Do not go to Vladimir, the old city, the streets are narrow, so many members will not stand. And why have we done you any harm? recourse
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 26 March 2016 10: 57
        0
        At a minimum, this is the capital of the Grand Duchy. And Vladimir City can be built nearby.
        1. family tree
          family tree 26 March 2016 11: 10
          0
          Yes, no problem, even tomorrow, current, this, money is needed for kickbacks, cuts, and for construction itself too laughing
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 March 2016 11: 11
          0
          Quote: Pereira
          At a minimum, this is the capital of the Grand Duchy.

          Was, then, according to various estimates, 10-20 thousand lived in it, now 350.
          Quote: Pereira
          And Vladimir City can be built nearby.

          What's the point? 170 km from Moscow, what will change the transfer of the capital to such a distance?
    2. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 26 March 2016 11: 41
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      Not to Sevastopol, of course. For example, in Vladimir.


      To the east must be moved. And then part of the country is already getting ready for bed, and the government is only coming to work.
  6. avvg
    avvg 26 March 2016 10: 45
    +1
    In my opinion, apparently, the land is very expensive and someone really wants to touch the expensive land with their hands.
  7. proud
    proud 26 March 2016 10: 46
    +1
    You can’t come up with a more crazy idea for this city!
  8. Holsten
    Holsten 26 March 2016 10: 46
    0
    The main thing in this idea is to make the largest ship repair enterprise of Russia inoperative for some time. Previously, it would be called wrecking and completely justified. And now is renovation-optimization?
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 26 March 2016 10: 47
    +3
    Such issues should be addressed in the interests of the country, not of individual territories.
    The problem really exists. Sevmashzavod has a very large volume of orders. And at his facilities, he will not be able to cope with it in an acceptable time.
    1. family tree
      family tree 26 March 2016 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Sevmashzavod has a very large volume of orders. And at his facilities, he will not be able to cope with it in an acceptable time.

      SMP and "Zvezdochka" actually make a difference, although they live in the same city what Sevmash builds, "Zvezdochka" repairs, mainly request
  10. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 26 March 2016 10: 48
    0
    The subject of the federation Sevastopol, is engaged in "pulling the blanket" with the subject of the federation r. Crimea. Not for the first time I have already noticed attempts ... It's time to start raising them, otherwise they will not leave so far.
    1. avt
      avt 26 March 2016 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: Observer 33
      The subject of the federation Sevastopol, is engaged in "pulling the blanket" with the subject of the federation r. Crimea.

      Rather, Chaylo sucked a glass and someone cunning blew it into his ears, they say, we will not only raise the dough, but actually report to the GDP - there is a movement in Sevastopol. Here is Chaly's jamb " "Changed my joint") and ego with "disbursement of funds".
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 26 March 2016 12: 03
        +2
        So it’s necessary, that ... With glasses, be careful, tea, not a stall run ... laughing
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 March 2016 10: 49
    +2
    The proposal made by the Sevastopol government

    I probably misunderstand something? But the government of the city of Sevastopol is not subordinate to the federal government and can make personal decisions on strategic enterprises? In my opinion, something began to go off scale for someone.
    1. SU69
      SU69 26 March 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The proposal made by the Sevastopol government

      I probably misunderstand something? But the government of the city of Sevastopol is not subordinate to the federal government and can make personal decisions on strategic enterprises? In my opinion, something began to go off scale for someone.

      Governor of Sevastopol.
  12. tundra
    tundra 26 March 2016 10: 49
    +5
    Quote: newbie
    this is reminiscent of the release of a delicious piece of coast under the hotel

    THIS is not reminiscent, it is.
    Capital hucksters rub their hands in anticipation of the broth.
    It is necessary on these playful handles with an ax.
    Our coast in the Krasnodar Territory is what they are turning into.
    Even get to the farmland get
    The chief agronomist of all time is now our minister.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 26 March 2016 10: 51
    +5
    There, the entire Sevastopol Bay will not be enough for the volumes of the Asterisk, but if you need to destroy the Asterisk, then this is exactly the idea
    1. family tree
      family tree 26 March 2016 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      There, the entire Sevastopol Bay will not be enough for the volumes of the Asterisk, but if you need to destroy the Asterisk, then this is exactly the idea

      Duc, Asterisk like this on Yagra and stands belay in Sevsk, and in Crimea, there was just a branch there. And at the expense of beaches and land, it’s enough in the Crimea, it’s another matter that they want to put their own paws on the finished infrastructure, so to begin with an MPLC in the teeth, and then, let this foundation MPL dig a foundation on the coast, if the hotel wants it build, named after culture and leisure. Although I personally do not care. It’s hot there, in Crimea, I’m better off on the southern coast of the White Sea, in the summer it’s cool, the beer is cold and the nyashenki smells of freshly-soled north, I would have warmed it repeat
  14. konetit
    konetit 26 March 2016 10: 53
    +2
    Looking at the idiocy that walks around Ukraine, someone in Sevastopol became very envious, and they decided to surpass their neighbors.
  15. newcomer
    newcomer 26 March 2016 10: 54
    +2
    pvi1206, for this you can expand the capacity of the enterprise or open a second enterprise. but carry, where is the logic of financial and technical?
  16. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 26 March 2016 11: 00
    +2
    I agree. Carry over. Only first shovels in the teeth and deepen the forwarder. Personally. So that there the Shark could submerge.
  17. hartlend
    hartlend 26 March 2016 11: 10
    +3
    Strange, we don’t have gondolas, but there are enough gondoliers.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 March 2016 11: 21
    +1
    Only one question - why and who needs it?
  19. atamankko
    atamankko 26 March 2016 11: 27
    0
    Breaking not building, or breaking and not building ...
  20. SAA
    SAA 26 March 2016 11: 28
    0
    And why carry it over. Pick up the gift factory and give it to yourself and your friends. It won’t work fine anyway. And you can build yachts in Inkerman.
  21. Resistance
    Resistance 26 March 2016 11: 36
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "visiting specialists, obviously, do not take into account all these factors when developing the concept of a new general plan"

    The main thing is to cut some money for the project.


    The decision on the resuscitation of the branch was made in the summer of 2015. Guess once, from the allocated money, how many performers have received at the moment?
  22. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 26 March 2016 11: 36
    +1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    The main thing is to cut some money for the project.


    Here it is the root of evil. They will draw a light draft for dozens of lyamas, recognize it as unviable and under the cloth, and the grandmothers re-repair through subcontracting daughters.
  23. ava09
    ava09 26 March 2016 11: 43
    +1
    (C) The representative of the Zvyozdochka CS: the idea of ​​transferring the Sevastopol plant to Inkerman is absurd (C)
    Investigators should understand such issues, if it’s just “absurd” - get out of the leaders, and if “absurd with interest” - call by your name: “Wrecker”, “Thief” and according to the corresponding article of the Criminal Code in the appropriate places for the appropriate time.
  24. Stinger
    Stinger 26 March 2016 11: 59
    +1
    Are effective managers offering? Already accustomed.
  25. pts-m
    pts-m 26 March 2016 12: 37
    0
    This is called ... the "new Serdyukovism." These reformers completely lack abstract thinking; instead of it, only paper-money thinking.
  26. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 26 March 2016 13: 08
    0
    Which .. fool... it might even have occurred to me fellow
  27. Termit1309
    Termit1309 26 March 2016 13: 51
    +1
    Damn, really, it’s like rooting from such statues. For starters, where is the link to at least one official article that talked about transfer plans? In general, are there such plans?
    Someone threw it on the fan, and everyone gasps - they earn pluses.
    Well, really tired already fool
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 March 2016 17: 16
    0
    ... "near the coastline of Inkerman-depth of about three to four meters" ...
    Well, for yachts homegrown bourgeois from Moskabad depths enough. A plant to them a light bulb.