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Rebuses of Russian marinistika

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Rebuses of Russian marinistika



We have repeatedly addressed the topic of reporting by the heads of the military department of the Russian Federation and the command of the Navy fleet regarding the replenishment of the naval ship. And each time their reports on the work done during the year were puzzling (see NVO dated January 17.01.14, 16.01.15 and January 11, 2015). March 11 at the National Defense Center of the Russian Federation was a single day of acceptance of military products. It again touched on the issue of the supply of ships and vessels of the Russian Navy in XNUMX. Recall that the same thing was said at an expanded meeting of the board of the Russian Defense Ministry on December XNUMX last year.

Then the head of the Russian defense ministry, Sergei Shoigu, said that last year the Russian Navy carried out "the delivery of two multi-purpose submarines and eight surface ships." We questioned the last digit (see “IEE” from 22.01.16). The fact is that last year the Russian fleet received only two surface combat ships. These are the small rocket ships (MRK) "Green Dol" and "Serpukhov" of the 21631 "Buyan-M" project. Obviously, three new auxiliary vessels were included: the oceanographic research vessel Yantar of the 22010 project, the sea transport of weapons Akademik Kovalev of the 20180TV project (20181) and the rescue vessel Igor Belousov of the 21130 project , Completed seven-year repairs and upgrades. But even with their account, it turns out not eight, but six units.

DISSOLVED BY SHIPS AND SUBMARINES

In the opening remarks on a single day of acceptance of military products, President Vladimir Putin, of all naval equipment supplied to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in 2015, mentioned only two submarines. We are talking about the really received by the fleet diesel-electric submarines "Stary Oskol" and "Krasnodar" of the 06363 project.

But at the same event, quite different data was announced by Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov. He said that the fleet was replenished with four warships, four submarines, 52 ships and auxiliary vessels.

First of all, let us draw attention to the fact that in comparison with the figures from the speech of the Supreme Commander, as well as the Minister of Defense, the number of submarines has doubled. Maybe Yury Borisov has some secret information that is unknown to Vladimir Putin and Sergei Shoigu, and he corrected the head of state and his boss? It's hard to imagine. Most likely this is the result of manipulations, which are often resorted to by military officials. In the 2014 year, for example, they included the Yekaterinburg strategic missile submarine (SSBN), which was repaired and upgraded, among the new submarines. Thus, to the three actually new submarines added one more unit, which improved the fleet renewal rate. But for some reason they forgot about the nuclear submarines Obninsk of the project 671РТМК and Tomsk of the project 949А, as well as the diesel-electric submarine Vyborg that were repaired in the same year.

It seems that the number "4" loved by the Ministry of Defense. The military department again started talking about four submarines that allegedly replenished the naval personnel of the Navy already in 2015. In addition to the “Old Oskol” and “Krasnodar”, the multipurpose nuclear submarines “Cheetah” of the 971 project and the Pskov project of the 945A project, as well as the diesel-electric submarine of the Vladikavkaz project of the 877 project, may have been included. But then it turns out five. That is why one submarine, we do not know which one, was excluded from the list of "new" ones.

As for surface warships, there is nothing to say. It’s difficult to judge where two more units came from. Maybe they took a couple of landing or anti-sabotage boats and raised them to the rank of "ships"? But, in any case, in comparison with the December report, the number of surface combat units decreased by half, which indicates some progress in arithmetic.

... AND ROOFBOARDS IN ADDITION

The 52 ship and auxiliary ship is, of course, the fruit of fantasy, if this number does not include rowboats for naval competitions. Why? They also contribute to maritime practice and help strengthen the health of seafarers.

To begin with, under the auxiliary ships of the Navy, according to Avkentiy Kilesso’s classic work “Ships and ships of the navy”, are meant floating craft designed for “material and technical support of the combat and daily activities of ships and the navy as a whole”. And further: "These vessels, capable of operating in remote theaters, possess the seaworthy qualities of ocean-going vessels." What vessels from the newly replenished navy last year possess such qualities? The aforementioned Yantar, Akademik Kovalev, Igor Belousov, and the modernized Yauza that joined them. There is nothing more to name.

However, last year the Russian Navy was replenished with other recruits - the Dvinitsa-50, Vologda-50 and Kyzyl-60 bulk carriers, bought from Turkish shipowners, and Kazan-60, the former Ukrainian who had passed through the hands of a Mongolian intermediary . All of them have long lifetimes and are designed to work on the Syrian express trains line - for the delivery of military cargo from the Russian Black Sea ports to Tartus, from where the supply of parts of the Air Force of Russia at the Khmeimim airbase comes. According to the testimony of Sevastopol ship repairmen, ships of the "Turkish conscription" - the court, "killed in the trash." Before each flight and after each flight they have to be repaired. And some even come back in tow. Maybe they had in mind among the 52 "new products" of the auxiliary fleet Yuri Borisov?

In recent years, the Russian Navy has been quite actively replenished with road tugs, rescue, diving and hydrographic boats, bunker vessels and floating cranes. But they cannot be counted as auxiliary vessels, since they belong to the basic floating craft. They are intended, again by Kilesso, "to serve ships and ships, as well as other fleet forces in bases, on raids and in harbors." In 2015, the Russian Navy received such basic facilities around 20 that even with the aforementioned auxiliary vessels before the 52 does not hold out.

DETAINED "AT TRANSITION BY SEA"

At an extended meeting of the Collegium of the Ministry of Defense 11 in December last year, Sergei Shoigu said that the fleet at the end of 2015 had received less two surface ships. Yury Borisov corrected his boss, reporting on the delivery of eight ships. In the previous publication “Two to Eight does not stretch in any way”, the author has already named six ships and vessels that were then stuck in shipyards or did not complete the tests: these are the frigates “Admiral Grigorovich”, “Admiral Essen”, “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov”, corvette “Perfect”, a large landing ship (BDK) “Ivan Gren”, the base minesweeper “Alexander Obukhov” and the logistics support vessel “Elbrus”. What other two units does the Deputy Minister of Defense mean, we simply don’t know and we don’t even guess. Probably something from the number of basic floating equipment ...

In the pursuit of awards

Why do we need annotations, but otherwise this “sliding” data cannot be named in the shipbuilding reports? They appear for a reason. For them, money, bonuses, awards, titles and grades.

Here we can’t help but recall the statement made by the head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy, Captain 1st Rank Vladimir Tryapichnikov, made by him at the Russian Service radio station News"January 16th of this year. “In 2015, we were supposed to get 51 warships, boats and ships, and we practically completed the plan,” he said. “Everything that we have not completed, we will close in the first quarter of 2016.”

We will not pay attention to discrepancies in numbers that do not coincide with the data of the Minister of Defense and his deputy. It seems that the military does not consider it a sin to take data from the ceiling. On the other hand, the optimistic forecast of Vladimir Tryapichnikov regarding the solution of the problem of ship shortages during the first quarter is amazing. After all, who, if not him, know the real state of affairs in shipyards and landfills.

Since then, more than two months have passed. In March 10, the frigate Admiral Grigorovich was transferred to the fleet (it was originally planned to be handed over to the Navy in 2014) - the lead ship of the 11356P / M project, and the next day the Andrew flag was raised. Until the end of March, that is, until the end of the first quarter, the 971 project’s multi-purpose nuclear submarine Kuzbass is expected to return to repair from repair (the ship repairmen solemnly promised the Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev to return this submarine to the end of December last year). And nothing more.

And who will ask from the official for the remaining ships of the 2015 program of the year that were not given? And who cares? Rebuses and crosswords of domestic shipbuilding can not be deciphered. Meanwhile, the head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy was promoted to the rank of rear admiral, probably for indomitable optimism.

In the light of the above, I can’t believe in Yury Borisov’s statement that the implementation of the 2015 state defense plan of the year as of "January 1 2016 of the year amounted to more than 90%", and "the total result of the endowment of 2015 of the year (taking into account the so-called follow-up charts , that is, the closure of contracts already this year. - AM) - 97% ". After all, besides 6 – 8 warships, according to a report by the same Yuri Borisov, the Russian Armed Forces did not receive 15 aircraft, 17 units of automated control systems, 3 launch vehicle “Rokot” and 1, Breeze booster unit, 253 rocket for various purposes, 240 units of armored weapons and equipment.

But this is not about penny systems, but about products for tens, if not hundreds, billions of rubles. In this regard, one can not forget the sacramental by its absurdity Gogol's Nozdrev saying: “He came, God knows where, I also live here ...”
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  1. Dam
    Dam 26 March 2016 18: 56
    +25
    Fraud is the basis of bureaucracy. As a joke is a lie, a blatant lie and statistics
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 26 March 2016 19: 16
      +22
      I propose to assign all attorneys and unscrupulous, to put it mildly, to re-education in the hold division on the "Kuznetsov". Let the aircraft carrier be prepared for combat service. And then "Kuzya" (I so affectionately call him) will become the best aircraft carrier in the world.
      PS Do not let out onto the upper deck until work is completed.
      1. hrych
        hrych 26 March 2016 19: 32
        +22
        In general, on the one hand, the number and condition of such combat supermachines are state secrets, on the other hand, it is a method of intimidating the enemy. And when paid magazines stick their nose to this question, try not to react emotionally. His Grace Prince Potemkin was also accused of fake villages, however, Sevastopol is still standing in the logs of the enemies ... This is an information war, but for now most of the journalists are EBN new immigrants of a certain nationality ... Doves also sang a lot about drinking, but real ones flew about ISIS battle drones.
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 March 2016 20: 27
          +8
          All is not just a tight fit, but the problems of the fleet are being solved, we hope that everything will be overcome.
          1. Pravdarm
            Pravdarm 26 March 2016 21: 20
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            We hope that everything will be overcome.
            I hope so too.
            Today is "besogon". Again, I recommend looking at it in full (this is the "sea part" and further ...) There is something to analyze about in general - "historicization".
          2. assam4
            assam4 26 March 2016 21: 22
            +2
            But the fleet of Russian oligarchs is replenished regularly, here is the yacht of billionaire Melnichenko:



            The ship was called the White Pearl and is impressive in its scale: length - 133,5 meters, height - 91,5 m, weight - 14,224 tons. The massive ship is controlled from a large touchscreen on the bridge, and a diesel-electric engine is able to accelerate the yacht to 39 km / h. For the keel of the White Pearl, a gigantic one-piece piece of curved glass was created, one of the largest in the world. The yacht has eight decks, a landing pad for helicopters and even a viewing compartment under water.

            The cost of the yacht is $ 400 million, of which Melnichenko plans to return part by licensing part of the technologies used in the construction of the yacht for commercial use.

            Built by Philip Starck at German shipyards, the Pearl is still undergoing trial sailing. “Ever since the era of large sailing vessels such as Cutty Sark, such huge sailing yachts have never been built,” said Benjamin Moltby, superyacht specialist, Daily Mail
            1. palm
              palm 26 March 2016 21: 46
              +7
              example of a domestic "patriot"
          3. musorg
            musorg 27 March 2016 13: 16
            +1
            Destroying the Navy is certainly easier. But now there are more than enough spiteful critics!
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      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 26 March 2016 19: 34
        +13
        Quote: Michael67
        I propose to assign all attorneys and unscrupulous, to put it mildly, to re-education in the hold division on the "Kuznetsov". Let the aircraft carrier be prepared for combat service. And then "Kuzya" (I so affectionately call him) will become the best aircraft carrier in the world.
        Have pity on "Kuzyu" (Everyone calls him so lovingly) Mikhail, the eyewitchers will ruin him in an instant. request hi
      3. V.ic
        V.ic 26 March 2016 19: 49
        +12
        Quote: Michael67
        Do not let out onto the upper deck until work is completed.

        Oooo, sadyuga! good
      4. Persistent
        Persistent 26 March 2016 19: 58
        +11
        PS Do not let out onto the upper deck until work is completed.


        Complementing ...

        Do not give 100 grams, feed only food rations, forbid wives and mistresses to "visit" !!!! laughing laughing
        1. ochakow703
          ochakow703 27 March 2016 05: 40
          +1
          So they will arrange in the holds of Sodom. It's a pity Kuzyu (Everyone so lovingly calls him).
      5. severyanin
        severyanin 26 March 2016 21: 38
        +3
        Quote: Michael67
        To put it mildly, I propose to assign all attorneys and unscrupulous ones for re-education in the hold division on the "Kuznetsov". Let the aircraft carrier be prepared for combat service.

        No, it's better to come to us at Ustinov! You look, the ship will finally be kicked out of repair, even this year! Shame, no words am
      6. family tree
        family tree 27 March 2016 00: 01
        +1
        Quote: Michael67
        PS Do not let out onto the upper deck until work is completed.

        A monster, even if you take a walk, or without a sun, they’ll become completely rickety, and then they will be useless what
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 26 March 2016 19: 29
      +5
      Quote: Damm
      As a joke is a lie, a blatant lie and statistics

      Direct lies, understatedness and accountability. At least they told me this joke.
      Statistics are not jurisdictional. Dumb tsifiri for analysis
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 March 2016 21: 25
        0
        Taki forgot to say. Impudent lies are propaganda
        1. Pravdarm
          Pravdarm 26 March 2016 22: 14
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          Impudent lies are propaganda

          Hmm ... recourse
          This? I forgot to say? Taki.
    3. FenH
      FenH 26 March 2016 19: 36
      +8
      Quote: Damm
      Fraud is the basis of bureaucracy. As a joke is a lie, a blatant lie and statistics

      Most likely, information on new vessels was scooped from here:
      2015 Results: New Auxiliary Vessels
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/72515
      Transfer of auxiliary vessels and boats for the Navy and FSB FS since 2008:
      Проект 8/09/10/11/12/13/14/ 15
      436B_ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 1 _ 1 _ 5 _ 7 _ 1 - a large shipboard shield
      705B_ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 1 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 - raid tug
      745MB 0_ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 - sea tugboat / tugboat
      02590 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 - landing stage
      02690 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 2 _ 2 - floating crane
      02790 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 2 _ 2 _ 2 - sea tug
      03180 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 3 _ 1 - integrated port service vessel
      09662 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 _ 2 _ 1 - border landing stage
      1388NZ 0_0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 - communication boat
      14157 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 2 _ 0 _ 4 - diving boat
      1496M1 0_2 _ 0 _ 2 _ 2 _ 2 _ 1 _ 2 - border patrol boat
      16609 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 2 _ 4 _ 3 _ 3 - raid tug
      18271 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 - rescue deep sea vehicle
      19910 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 - small hydrographic vessel
      19920 1 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 1 _ 3 - large hydrographic boat
      20180 0 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ XNUMX - rescue tugboat
      20181 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 - maritime weapons transport
      20183 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 - support vessel
      20360 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 - maritime weapons transport
      21300 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 - rescue vessel
      22030 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 _ 0 - sea tug
      22570 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 1 - transport floating dock
      22870 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 2 _ 0 - rescue vessel
      23040 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _10_ 6 - integrated rescue boat
      23120 0 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ XNUMX - logistics support vessel
      23370 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 0 _ 5 _ 7 - rescue multifunction boat
      90600 0 _ 3 _ 2 _ 6 _ 3 _ 5 _ 2 _ 2 - raid tug
      Total: 1/6/6/13 10/22 42 39 laughing
    4. SU69
      SU69 26 March 2016 19: 37
      -9
      Quote: Damm
      Fraud is the basis of bureaucracy. As a joke is a lie, a blatant lie and statistics

      Prizes, awards and titles received.
      The loot is mastered.
      Kickbacks are sawn.
      URY-patriots pooryakali.
      And for the people there is a zombie creator. Kissel TV works wonders.
      Sun rating 100500%.

      The most annoying thing is that this "IS NO LONGER SURPRISING"
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 26 March 2016 20: 10
        +6
        Quote: SU69
        The most annoying thing is that this "IS NO LONGER SURPRISING"

        Ignite Askin, well, hello from Tatarstan. Only moderators do not knock okay anymore. hi
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 26 March 2016 21: 14
          0
          SU69
          A rare animal wandered into VO. Don't scare let it frolic laughing
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          2. SU69
            SU69 26 March 2016 21: 25
            -19%
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            SU69
            A rare animal wandered into VO. Don't scare let it frolic laughing

            Where am I to you, a real Rostov kid.
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            2. Pravdarm
              Pravdarm 26 March 2016 22: 38
              +5
              Quote: SU69
              Quote: Damm
              Fraud is the basis of bureaucracy. As a joke is a lie, a blatant lie and statistics

              Prizes, awards and titles received.
              The loot is mastered.
              Kickbacks are sawn.
              URY-patriots pooryakali.
              And for the people there is a zombie creator. Kissel TV works wonders.
              Sun rating 100500%.

              The most annoying thing is that this "IS NO LONGER SURPRISING"

              The cool thing is that at the moment the comment is 15 pluses!
              Those. it’s quite savory and contemptuous to express myself about URA-patriots poYURYakali, Kissel TV works wonders, rating of the whole 100500%

              и

              15 anti-URNepatriots, anti-suns will clap their hands and be even more proud and torn:
              "I AM NOT RURRYING!"
              "URRRYAYA - NOT YAYAAAAAAA!"

              (We are not slaves, slaves are not us,
              WE ARE GENTLEMEN, GOPO.DA, WE)
              ANTIURRRAYAYAAAAAAA !!!
              ANTIURYAYAAAAA !!!
              anti-aurora.
            3. hrapon
              hrapon 27 March 2016 09: 28
              +2
              Quote: SU69
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              SU69
              A rare animal wandered into VO. Don't scare let it frolic laughing

              Where am I to you, a real Rostov kid.


              And on the profile picture you are prettier. Eco warped you ...
      2. family tree
        family tree 27 March 2016 00: 08
        +1
        Quote: SU69
        Prizes, awards and titles received.
        The loot is mastered.
        Kickbacks are sawn.
        URY-patriots pooryakali.
        And for the people there is a zombie creator. Kissel TV works wonders.
        Sun rating 100500%.

        The most annoying thing is that this "IS NO LONGER SURPRISING"

        Is there a proposal on the case? Or just profoppapitcher?
    5. maw
      maw 26 March 2016 20: 09
      0
      And the election results. lol
    6. Sweles
      Sweles 26 March 2016 20: 10
      +5
      whoever doubted a country that was falling apart in the 90s and 0s and in which the personnel policy did not change, as were the same ones who sold, stole and covered, so they sit in their places, only change places, the red one steals billions and nothing worse for him becomes, and the forums blabber some sort of rubbish and sort of answered.
      HONOR from the word HONESTY, but all this elite will allow to blatantly lie to the people, just lie, they know that there will be no demand. All of them are HONORABLE people and their task is one to MAKE it appear that something is happening, but in fact they pull the rubber, shift it to 20g. A typical example is the SECOND STAGE ENGINE at the Pakfa, but they said that at 15 the first sample will be, and what? They shifted it first to 20g, then in connection with the war, apparently to 18g, what they want and do. that we are shown all only Chinese toys.
      All this Putin’s team would have gone to hell, already this thievish capitalism was tired ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 26 March 2016 20: 19
        +2
        Quote: Sveles
        All this Putin’s team would have gone to hell, already this thievish capitalism was tired ...

        Oh, Sweles came for glasses .. pinched him in historical topics, pinched him ..

        People, help, who do not mind, take pity .. he is good, only speaks sloppy (but what words are correct!) And is rude immoderately ..

        And so - he's good .. I recommend wink
        1. SU69
          SU69 26 March 2016 20: 42
          +4
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Quote: Sveles
          All this Putin’s team would have gone to hell, already this thievish capitalism was tired ...

          Oh, Sweles came for glasses .. pinched him in historical topics, pinched him ..

          People, help, who do not mind, take pity .. he is good, only speaks sloppy (but what words are correct!) And is rude immoderately ..

          And so - he's good .. I recommend wink

          But do not we have thieves capitalism?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 26 March 2016 20: 45
            -1
            Quote: SU69
            But do not we have thieves capitalism?

            And how sideways is it with what I said? You to Sweles, you’ll sing good

            PS: And there is such a compound word: Dima-Gogia fellow
            1. SU69
              SU69 26 March 2016 20: 57
              -5
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              PS: And there is such a compound word: Dima-Gogia

              Putin cuts a window to China
              Proper Putin privatization
              Battle under the carpet CB
              Grandmaster Putin. Analysis of the Ukrainian party

              These are the names of your articles.
              Some one-sided MUCH!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 11
                0
                Quote: SU69
                These are the names of your articles.

                These are the names of the articles that I posted on the site. The author is different there laughing

                Quote: SU69
                Some one-sided MUCH!

                Well, everyone sees in their own way .. for me, so very good analytics + educational program yes
                1. SU69
                  SU69 26 March 2016 21: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: SU69
                  These are the names of your articles.

                  These are the names of the articles that I posted on the site. The author is different there laughing

                  Sorry, clumsily put it, I meant it
                2. FenH
                  FenH 26 March 2016 21: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: SU69
                  These are the names of your articles.

                  These are the names of the articles that I posted on the site. The author is different there laughing

                  And I did not manage to lay out sad And the topic was interesting: "Privatization will deprive the budget of 1,5 trillion rubles", that's where the Warriors of Good and Light would converge laughing
              2. Sweles
                Sweles 26 March 2016 21: 52
                +1
                Quote: SU69
                These are the names of your articles.
                Some one-sided MUCH!


                it’s always comfortable in the stream, the main thing is to please, take the visor and you’ll be marked by cookies with jam, and the fact that the top leaders are lying about what the article itself is, you can’t notice it, so they are served up to big stars ...
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 26 March 2016 22: 06
                  -2
                  Quote: Sveles
                  is always comfortable in the stream, the main thing is to please, take under the peak and you will be marked with cookies with jam

                  And this after this? belay

                  Quote: Sveles
                  whoever doubted a country that was falling apart in the 90s and 0s and in which the personnel policy did not change, as were the same ones who sold, stole and covered, so they sit in their places, only change places, the red one steals billions and nothing worse for him becomes, and the forums blabber some sort of rubbish and sort of answered.
                  ...
                  A typical example is the SECOND STAGE ENGINE for Pakfa, but they said ... They declare that it is necessary to "import substitution", but in fact ...

                  All this Putin’s team would have gone to hell, already this thievish capitalism was tired ...

                  Nebrat, yes you just laid it out here for the sake of pluses, this explosive mixture ..

                  Usually it turned out to catch pieces like this for 30, and you can go butt again, talk about the cards there, with the center in Vladimir .. laughing

                  Pinch - another iteration ..

                  And who is our specialist in "cookies and jam"? wink
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 26 March 2016 22: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Quote: Sveles
                    is always comfortable in the stream, the main thing is to please, take under the peak and you will be marked with cookies with jam

                    And this after this? belay

                    Quote: Sveles
                    whoever doubted a country that was falling apart in the 90s and 0s and in which the personnel policy did not change, as were the same ones who sold, stole and covered, so they sit in their places, only change places, the red one steals billions and nothing worse for him becomes, and the forums blabber some sort of rubbish and sort of answered.
                    ...
                    A typical example is the SECOND STAGE ENGINE for Pakfa, but they said ... They declare that it is necessary to "import substitution", but in fact ...

                    All this Putin’s team would have gone to hell, already this thievish capitalism was tired ...

                    Nebrat, yes you just laid it out here for the sake of pluses, this explosive mixture ..


                    Veles didn’t add about chipping, he could break the jackpot laughing
        2. Sweles
          Sweles 26 March 2016 20: 58
          -5
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          And so - he's good .. I recommend

          you wouldn’t have a cat for a face, but a snake with a spear, but without George you just right ...
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 12
            -1
            Quote: Sveles
            you wouldn’t have a cat for a face, but a snake with a spear, but without George you just right ...

            St. George in battle
            On a dashing horse,
            Holds a spear in his hand,
            Pokes the snake in * opium ..

            And so - the cat quite suits me. Without a spear. They say I look like him belay
            1. gas113
              gas113 27 March 2016 00: 31
              +1
              this rhyme is an epigraph in the book of the Strugatsky
              "The devil among people" so for information
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 27 March 2016 00: 50
                -1
                Quote: gas113
                this verse is an epigraph in the Strugatskys' book "The Devil Among People"

                Pancake! And the guys are not in the know! (from) laughing
                1. gas113
                  gas113 27 March 2016 12: 49
                  -1
                  Well, you sir, and meowed. Who does not know that and do not. I do not impose anything on anyone.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 27 March 2016 16: 29
                    0
                    Quote: gas113
                    I do not impose anything on anyone

                    You are many and off topic, do not find? wink
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 27 March 2016 01: 46
                +1
                Quote: gas113
                this rhyme is an epigraph in the book of the Strugatsky
                "The devil among people" so for information

                Is it by chance that your name is not Mordechai Mordekhaevich? Or do you come?
                1. gas113
                  gas113 27 March 2016 12: 45
                  -1
                  To find out my name is enough for Sun to open my profile. And I did not understand your "subtle humor"
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 27 March 2016 16: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Is it by chance that your name is not Mordechai Mordekhaevich? Or do you come?

                    Quote: gas113
                    I do not understand your "subtle humor"

                    "There is a plug in every barrel" - almost literal translation wink
      2. FenH
        FenH 26 March 2016 20: 30
        +4
        Quote: Sveles
        All this Putin’s team would have gone to hell, already this thievish capitalism was tired ...


        You have the best team in mind, announce it please. Soon the elections, we will vote for them
        1. SU69
          SU69 26 March 2016 20: 49
          -1
          Quote: FenH
          You have the best team in mind, announce it please. Soon the elections, we will vote for them

          Yesterday I accidentally talked with the leadership of the Native Party. They have interesting ideas.
          He still Kvachkova with like-minded people in their ranks to accept, for the power block, and Glazyev for the economic, and will be a good alloy.
          1. 79807420129
            79807420129 26 March 2016 20: 53
            +8
            Quote: SU69
            Yesterday, I accidentally talked to the leadership of the Native Party.

            Well, tell us the ignorant, the elections in autumn, and who to vote for? Name the Native Party, maybe we will vote for it. what
            1. FenH
              FenH 26 March 2016 20: 57
              +2
              Quote: 79807420129
              Quote: SU69
              Yesterday, I accidentally talked to the leadership of the Native Party.

              Well, tell us the ignorant, the elections in autumn, and who to vote for? Name the Native Party, maybe we will vote for it. what

              It is called that way: "Native Party"
              подробнее тут:http://xn--80ah3afceo.xn--p1ai/index.php/o-partiy/2015-04-27-21-56-30.html
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 26 March 2016 21: 32
                +10
                Quote: FenH
                It is called that way: "Native Party"

                Well, a colleague, if we are serious, then the Rodnaya Party will hardly gain at least 1% of the votes in the elections, let's be realistic.
                Quote: SU69
                They have interesting ideas.
                He still Kvachkova with like-minded people in their ranks to accept, for the power block, and Glazyev for the economic, and will be a good alloy.

                Kvachkov from prison will lead the power block? Or will they take the prison by storm? And how to persuade Glazyev to leave the place of adviser to the President of the Russian Federation. request I’ll go to the polls, of course, but in order to spoil the ballot, whoever goes to the Duma, any party will think about parliamentary privileges and a pocket, and not about the state and the Russian people. This is just my opinion and I do not insist on him. hi
                1. FenH
                  FenH 26 March 2016 21: 37
                  +3
                  [quote = 79807420129] [quote = FenH] It is called that way: "Native party" [/ quote]
                  Well, a colleague, if we are serious, then hardly "Native Party" will gain at least 1% of the votes in the elections, let's be realistic. Even if [quote = SU69]

                  Ideas are spread over the canvas, such utopian fantasies

                  [quote = 79807420129] [quote = FenH] I’ll certainly go to the polls, but in order to spoil the ballot, whoever goes to the Duma, any party will think about parliamentary privileges and a pocket, and not about the state and the Russian people .This is only my opinion and I do not insist on it. hi[/ Quote]

                  And here I fully support hi
          2. FenH
            FenH 26 March 2016 20: 55
            +3
            Quote: SU69
            Quote: FenH
            You have the best team in mind, announce it please. Soon the elections, we will vote for them

            Yesterday I accidentally talked with the leadership of the Native Party. They have interesting ideas.

            Bring the mosquitoes to a discussion:

            4. Methods for implementing goals and solving problems.


            To realize the goals of the party and the stated tasks, the Native Party initiates:

            - Creation and implementation of new laws, the introduction of national holidays, activating the spirit and mood of the people.
            - Creation of new settlements based on patrimonial estates.
            - Creating living conditions in each settlement of a new type on the principle of self-sufficiency and economic independence of each Family.
            - The creation in each settlement of schools of a new type, allowing to accelerate thought, developing awareness and creativity,
            - Writing and adoption of the Law "On the restoration of the environment", which will allow every citizen of the country to take an active part in improving the living environment of his family and the state as a whole,
            - Writing and promoting the Law "On Family and Love", which will allow to establish at the legislative level the principles of maintaining the balance of power, health and well-being of the family. They will be directly related to simple ways of educating in every family love for different generations, land, homeland, kind speech and all living creatures.

            The Native Party aims to increase the morality and value of the family through simple actions and the participation of people themselves in national affairs, restoring the spirit and significance of everyone, demonstrating the power of love. With the return of love to families, the need for orphanages, homes for the elderly and disabled, over-funding hospitals, raising pensions, etc. will disappear over time. Russia will be enriched by the growth of lovers and happy faces of people from among those families that can radiate happiness and love only with the abundance and comfortable coexistence of all family members.

            The restoration of morality, the emergence of a healthy, happy, sincere relationship, strong love in the family should prevail in advertising, the media flourishing with every such family of the state. Understanding and respect for the loving will lead to the need for the family to have such a space where the strength of their feelings can be not only preserved, but also increased.

            In Russia, this is entirely possible without global investment by adopting the Law "On the Family Estate", which will fix the foundations for the creation, receipt and development of the Family Estate - a plot of land of a hectare or more in size that is transferred by the state to each citizen with the right of inheritance, but without the right to purchase and sell . The selection of land, its arrangement, including the construction of a residential building, the construction of a garden, forest, and also a reservoir should be done at the personal discretion of each citizen and at his own expense.

            This will reduce government spending on social and cultural welfare of families, as well as medical services in connection with the natural strengthening of health, healthy nutrition, etc., since the lifestyle in the family estate is aimed at changing the BEST level of consciousness, health and human well-being . The patrimonial estate, in fact, will be the small Motherland of every Russian family.

            To popularize the ideas of patrimonial estates, exchange experiences and find a soul mate for creating a family and living in patrimonial settlements consisting of such estates, the Native Party plans to hold concerts and organize meetings at each of its conferences and congresses to create strong and loving families.


            Native Party Symbol - Happy Eyes
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 26 March 2016 20: 59
              +6
              Quote: FenH
              Native Party Symbol - Happy Eyes

              A colleague will definitely vote for such a party, and you will get a fat PLUS. hi
              1. FenH
                FenH 26 March 2016 21: 03
                +5
                Quote: 79807420129
                Quote: FenH
                Native Party Symbol - Happy Eyes

                A colleague will definitely vote for such a party, and you will get a fat PLUS. hi
              2. SU69
                SU69 26 March 2016 21: 10
                +2
                Quote: 79807420129
                A colleague will definitely vote for such a party, and you will get a fat PLUS.

                A native batch of specialists would be for promotion.
                Ideas are good, but they cannot always submit them.
                Unlike parliamentary parties.
                It's like with sweets, remember?
                Soviet. Packaging so-so, but inside yummy.
                And imported. The packaging is bright, but inside
              3. Cat man null
                Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 19
                +2
                Quote: 79807420129
                A colleague will definitely vote for such a party

                And I would beware to vote just for a beautiful picture ..

                Quote: FenH
                residential building construction, garden construction, forests, and also a reservoir

                Correct in the program, so they don't speak Russian. This is a purely English counterpart, by the way, they have everything there "build" and "erect" wink
                1. FenH
                  FenH 26 March 2016 21: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: FenH
                  residential building construction, garden construction, forests, and also a reservoir

                  Correct in the program, so they don't speak Russian. This is a purely English counterpart, by the way, they have everything there "build" and "erect" wink


                  belay How I will correct not what I wrote. I just copied their program for review. And my picture is how I imagine happy eyes wink
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 30
                    0
                    Quote: FenH
                    How I will correct what I have not written. I just copied their program for review

                    I get it. My apologies. But the turnover all one waving strongly at the interlinear to the English text laughing

                    Quote: FenH
                    And my picture is how I imagine happy eyes

                    Good picture. Only when they vote for pictures, they usually get the output .. ass, at least yes
                    1. FenH
                      FenH 26 March 2016 21: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Quote: FenH
                      And my picture is how I imagine happy eyes

                      Good picture. Only when they vote for pictures, they usually get the output .. ass, at least yes

                      There simply is a symbol, but there is no picture. Added on my own. And whether to vote or not, read their program wink
                      1. Pravdarm
                        Pravdarm 27 March 2016 00: 32
                        +1
                        Let me tell you, color the bedtime story wink
                        Quote: 79807420129
                        Quote: FenH
                        Native Party Symbol - Happy Eyes

                        A colleague will definitely vote for such a party, and you will get a fat PLUS. hi
                        This is just some kind of holiday!
                        Native Party initiates:
                        -introduction national holidays, activating the spirit and mood of the people.
                        -Creation new settlements based on family estates.
                        -Spelling and promotion of the Law on Family and Love (related with easy ways to educate in every family of love ... and all living creatures.
                        - Creation and implementation of new laws
                        - Creation living conditions in each settlement of a new type on the principle of self-sufficiency and economic of independence every family.
                        - Creation in each settlement of schools of a new type, allowing speed up the thought(separate neighing belay !), developing awareness and creativity,
                        - Writing and Acceptance The Law on Environmental Restoration, which will allow to every citizen countries accept feasible participation in perfecting his family's habitat and the state as a whole,
                        - ... eventually disappear the need for ... raising pensions, etc.
                        -Russia will be enriched due to the growth of people in love and happy faces
                        -In Russia, this is quite possible without global investment by adopting the Law "On the patrimonial estate", which will fix the foundations of the creation, receipt and development of the Patrimonial Estate - a plot of land the size of a hectare and more, transferred by the state to each citizen with the right to inherit but without the right of sale. Choice plot of land, its arrangement, including residential building construction, the construction of a garden, forest, and also a reservoir, should be done at the personal discretion of every citizen и at his own expense. ( crying - this is crying because my stomach has torn already.)
                      2. Pravdarm
                        Pravdarm 27 March 2016 00: 33
                        +2
                        -This will reduce government spending. on social and cultural support for families, as well as medical care due to natural health promotion, healthy eating, etc., since the lifestyle in the family estate is aimed at changing the BEST level of consciousness, health and human well-being.
                        The patrimonial estate, in fact, will be the small Motherland of every Russian family.
                        To popularize the ideas of family estatesexchanging experiences and finding your soul mate to create a family and live in tribal settlements consisting of such estates, Native Party plans hold concerts at every conference and congress
                        ("Heart of a dog" was recalled: "... I will start singing in chorus in the apartment, I will have devastation ... and Zina and Darya Petrovna will do the same. Therefore, devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads!)
                        Native Party Symbol - Happy Eyes
                        Shorter rolled up with his wife!
                        But this is generally finished off:
                        A native batch of specialists would be for promotion.
                        Ideas are good, but they cannot always submit them.
                        Unlike parliamentary parties.
                        It's like with sweets, remember?
                        Soviet. Packaging so-so, but inside yummy.
                        And imported. The packaging is bright, but inside

                        PS: That's it! Sleep! Good night, everyone. wink
                      3. Pravdarm
                        Pravdarm 27 March 2016 00: 41
                        +2
                        Lullaby for the night:

            2. 79807420129
              79807420129 26 March 2016 21: 38
              +7
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              And I would beware to vote just for a beautiful picture ..

              Roman see my comment above
              Quote: 79807420129
              I’ll go to the polls, of course, but in order to spoil the ballot, whoever goes to the Duma, any party will think about parliamentary privileges and a pocket, and not about the state and the Russian people. This is just my opinion and I do not insist on him.

              Best regards hi
        2. ty60
          ty60 26 March 2016 22: 01
          +1
          You, my friend, in a kibbutz! Almost literally from the promised land!
        3. Dam
          Dam 27 March 2016 04: 08
          +1
          Excuse me, does it seem to me alone that these pink snot is pure manilism? Such programs are intended for whom, for readers of romance novels?
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 21
        +1
        Quote: SU69
        accept, for power block

        Oh, how .. but in the Communist Party-there is also .. a power block? And in the LDPR?

        Amusing you .. party laughing
        1. SU69
          SU69 26 March 2016 21: 29
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Oh, how .. but in the Communist Party-there is also .. a power block? And in the LDPR?

          Amusing you .. party

          Do not misinterpret!
          You asked to name you a team.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 32
            0
            Quote: SU69
            Do not misinterpret!
            You asked to name you a team

            And what did I, in fact, misinterpret?

            Quote: SU69
            He still Kvachkova with like-minded people in their ranks to accept, for the power block, and Glazyev for the economic, and there will be a good alloy

            So I asked-and in the Communist Party that also has a power block? what
            1. SU69
              SU69 26 March 2016 21: 43
              +1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              And what did I, in fact, misinterpret?

              They asked to name the team, but clung to the party.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 45
                +2
                Quote: SU69
                They asked to name the team, but caught hold of the party

                I don’t understand the difference, to be honest .. but just in case, I apologize - hi

                Incidentally, Command I asked not to name .. and you called the party, here I am and that .. hooked laughing
                1. SU69
                  SU69 26 March 2016 21: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  By the way, I didn’t ask to name the team .. but you called the party, so I and that .. got hooked

                  I agree with this, my jamb.
                  By the way, where will you be from?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 26 March 2016 21: 55
                    +5
                    Quote: SU69
                    By the way, where will you be from?

                    Why are you interested in? And with what accuracy? bully

                    Land, RF. Let it be for now request
    7. Pancho
      Pancho 27 March 2016 00: 08
      -1
      Quote: FenH
      You have the best team in mind, please announce.

      I would look after the Kaluga governor Artamonov, only who will allow him?
      1. Ivan Burygin
        Ivan Burygin 27 March 2016 02: 20
        +1
        I myself come from Kaluga, categorically do not recommend ... Balabol and hollow. I advise you to watch kp40 on Mondays - there, after the Guberovskoy glider SUCH pearls from the guber - either break the moss, or half a day under the table ... As a manager, I made Detroit from Kaluga (with the same result, the car factories begin to bend), and those that were originally in Kaluga - bankrupt.
      2. FenH
        FenH 27 March 2016 09: 51
        0
        Quote: Pancho
        Quote: FenH
        You have the best team in mind, please announce.

        I would look after the Kaluga governor Artamonov, only who will allow him?

        One person is not a party, with whom in the team do you see him? hi
  • Kathernik
    Kathernik 26 March 2016 22: 05
    +1
    This is not a joke. That said Mark Twain ....
  • sergeant1986
    sergeant1986 26 March 2016 22: 14
    0
    There is no Stalin on them ...
  • Blondy
    Blondy 27 March 2016 00: 37
    0
    Why on the news? This is the eternal bureaucratic problem of the "vertical of power". It was solved radically: earlier by beheading if lies were discovered, later liberal combat methods in the form of prolonged incarceration prevailed.
  • MARATHET
    MARATHET 26 March 2016 18: 56
    +1
    according to the report of the same Yuri Borisov, the Russian Armed Forces did not receive 15 aircraft, 17 units of automated control systems, 3 Rokot launch vehicles and 1 Breeze booster block, 253 missiles for various purposes, 240 units of armored vehicles and equipment.

    Yes, everything is clear .... But the West still will not put us on our knees!
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 March 2016 19: 04
    +5
    There after Serdyukov the trail of the bastards still probably remained. Although playing mathematics is a common practice, an inevitable evil, never in any army in the world has everything been beautiful and correct.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 26 March 2016 19: 28
    +10
    History repeats itself .. Nicholas the first with his retinue visited Smolensk and saw the repaired tower of the fortress wall (he was presented It as a kind of achievement) said to his son with a sigh: "Only two people do not steal from us - you Sasha and me .." ..... .... I'm not talking about the fact that the number of bastards stretches out of nowhere, but about the fact that both the president and the prime minister are favorable to them ..
    1. quolta
      quolta 26 March 2016 20: 04
      +2
      By the way, that tower still costs less in diameter than the others built under Boris Godunov and thinner walls generally stand out among others))
      1. PKK
        PKK 26 March 2016 20: 15
        0
        It was Napoleon who blew up a piece of the wall in 1812. Through this breach, they could only take the fortress. And the walls were hollowed with cores, to no purpose.
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 26 March 2016 21: 05
        0
        Yes, I know about this tower on Sobolev-Smolensk St., my small homeland, now I moved to the south, to the Kuban ..
        Quote: Quantu
        By the way, that tower still costs less in diameter than the others built under Boris Godunov and thinner walls generally stand out among others))
  • VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 26 March 2016 19: 36
    +1
    A similar article was already in VO.
    The author himself would work at the OSK enterprises, he would throw off the fat. I would take him as a student. If I use this language to hammer the file into his hands, let him grind the anchors.
    1. FenH
      FenH 26 March 2016 19: 41
      +2
      Quote: VALERIK_097
      A similar article was already in VO.
      The author himself would work at the OSK enterprises, he would throw off the fat. I would take him as a student. If I use this language to hammer the file into his hands, let him grind the anchors.

      From turning anchors, use zero, it is better to clean the welding joints
      1. VALERIK_097
        VALERIK_097 26 March 2016 19: 53
        +1
        The bike is for young people (about the anchor), from the article there is zero benefit.
        1. FenH
          FenH 26 March 2016 19: 55
          +1
          Quote: VALERIK_097
          The bike is for young people (about the anchor), from the article there is zero benefit.

          i know this bike hi
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 26 March 2016 21: 22
            +2
            And the Native Party comes from the Ringing Cedars of Russia, no?
            How many members does the RP have?
            What projects have already been implemented?
            How is communication planned to be brought to patrimonial estates?
            After what time will estates really become ancestral, and not a sedimentation tank for the elderly?
            ...
            Many questions.
            Even ten years ago I seriously wanted to buy a plot.
            Yes ... not fate, you see.
            ...
            ...
            And it also happens. they ask the sledgehammer to besiege the bollards, they say they got out too.
            Have not encountered?
            1. FenH
              FenH 26 March 2016 21: 30
              -1
              Quote: Bashibuzuk

              ...
              And it also happens. they ask the sledgehammer to besiege the bollards, they say they got out too.
              Have not encountered?

              I like it better when I caught a sailor’s military patrol in a dismissal without guys, and since I didn’t know the name, I asked the sailors. After a couple of days the cart arrived at the unit that the unit’s sailors were behind the unit’s position without bollards
  • ava09
    ava09 26 March 2016 19: 40
    0
    From the Internet it is clear that such manipulations of numbers appeared simultaneously with triumphant reports.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 26 March 2016 19: 44
    0
    And let's really calculate what we promised and what we did.
    Promised 20 ships of various classes for 2015. The program was frustrated by two frigates without SS from MTU. And what? Do you need to dance to the western dudu to sit down in front of western suppliers?
    Ah, we will no longer plow the expanses of Akian, put it at the pier and supply each vessel with medium-range missiles and be right
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 26 March 2016 21: 03
      +2
      Em? What MTU on frigates?

      The first 3 frigates 11356 - have a full-time power plant. The delays there are of a normal nature (they didn’t bring the equipment, they didn’t hand over the site, they screwed it up, etc.) Well, the tests were delayed, but the head one is fine.

      22350 Gorshkov also has a full-time power plant, but again the typical delays are there - plus replacing the turbine afloat (because they burned their own on the runs and took it from Kasatonov, who will receive it repaired in September this year).

      For the Navy and MTU, they are building the 2 20385 corvette with the UKKS and 16 Redutas - but they were long ago transferred to the 2017 year with the possibility of moving on. And on the D49 they will have sad driving performance, because the assembly even for the fat 20380 is weak, and then there are + 500 tons for the same power.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 March 2016 21: 43
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        Em? What MTU on frigates?

        Two Severomorsko-Tikhookenskoy Admiral series. built and waiting for the engine. The Admiral's South Sea series doesn’t suffer so much
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 26 March 2016 22: 03
          +4
          belay

          What are you talking about? Which ships then?

          On 22350 stands 2 assembly D49 (Kolomna diesel) + M90FR (afterburner turbine Dawns) + gearboxes Stars. They didn’t put any MTU there or even planned. Gorshkov - is undergoing tests (he shot off a few days ago on a naval target), Kasatonov is waiting for a repair turbine under a contract from September 2016 of the year (he has 2 D49 mounted, gearboxes mounted, 1 turbine M90FR mounted). From Golovko onwards, everything is floating there and depends on the actual terms of supply of turbines.

          The 11356 features turbine assemblies from marching and afterburning turbines manufactured by Zori. The first three ships have mounted power plants, with 1 already in the Navy, 1 in trials, 1 in the final stages of completion. Here is the second three (in fact the deuce) - does not have turbines and look for options on it (regular turbines will not be exact, you have to either make smarts with CODAG - 2 assemblies D49 + afterburners M90FR, remodeling a good third of the ship or put on 4 M90FR with drills according to modes (some as afterburners, others as marching), or sold to India, no MTU was even painted there in napkins.

          From warships (not to be confused with auxiliary vehicles, where MTU, KAT, and even RR columns everywhere, as well as the FSB fleet - the same Rubies, for example, are moving to China now), MTUs were installed on 20385 - since the ship version of the D500 series went into the distant 2020, and the D49 was not suitable for power and reliability (20385 was planned for frequent long trips). Such ships are 2 - Thundering and Agile. They moved to 2017 year with the possibility of further shifts. Well, in general, there are many other problems, with the same new mast and fixed radar blades. And also 16 MTU cylinders stand on 21631 (the same ones that from the Caspian Sea beat Calibers on the broads in Syria). But there they made a replacement for an alternative option even without losing the pace of work, which, however, will affect the unimportant driving performance and prompted the construction of an alternative project on Amber.
  • Shmal_
    Shmal_ 26 March 2016 19: 49
    -1
    The numbers have been attributed and will be ascribed! Everything goes well! Ships enter service! And this is the main thing!
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 26 March 2016 19: 52
    +3
    Soon we will wait for the GDP to do the calculations personally. Is it really time to put the military department on "manual control" ?! Questions already for Shoigu.
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 26 March 2016 19: 55
    +3
    This great mystery is ...
  • parafoiler
    parafoiler 26 March 2016 19: 55
    +2
    Yes ... Business executives grab loot and asshole, as if for 10 lives ahead. Millionth salaries are not enough.
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 26 March 2016 20: 01
    +2
    Unfulfilled orders of the Ministry of Defense may result from shortages of allied suppliers. After all, an airplane cannot fly without an electronic unit, an IFV will not go, etc. Sanctions also played a role.
  • dvg1959
    dvg1959 26 March 2016 20: 02
    0
    Each department has its own methodology for summarizing. Confidentiality must also be respected. In general, in our statistics, no one should understand anything and there should not be any logic.
  • Leprekon
    Leprekon 26 March 2016 20: 24
    +1
    Taking the author’s concern as a whole about updating the fleet, it’s absurd to discuss the issue itself -
    We have repeatedly addressed the topic of reporting by the leaders of the military department of the Russian Federation and the command of the Navy regarding the replenishment of the naval ship
    In fact, the article assumes that we, as taxpayers, do not like such an obscure approach and therefore ...
    Defense and Defense are not the closest supermarket! We, as taxpayers, should not be forced to sell vodka "Palenka" and products with GMOs there, but they do. The composition seems to be on containers and packaging, but with symbols and formulas exclusively for chemists and experts. And what is behind these symbols and formulas in reality is, in general, a commercial secret of the enterprise.
    And then the country's defense capability!
  • sisa29
    sisa29 26 March 2016 20: 35
    0
    And I can't quite understand. We have problems with our own engines. But, we have colossal experience in the construction of nuclear power plants. Apparently, from ultra-small (apl 'losharik ") to gigantic ones. Explain to your friends why not start putting nuclear-powered ships on all types of ships, starting with frigates?
    1. FenH
      FenH 26 March 2016 20: 38
      0
      Quote: sisa29
      And I can't quite understand. We have problems with our own engines. But, we have colossal experience in the construction of nuclear power plants. Apparently, from ultra-small (apl 'losharik ") to gigantic ones. Explain to your friends why not start putting nuclear-powered ships on all types of ships, starting with frigates?

      Very expensive hi and unsafe, plus disposal problems
      1. sisa29
        sisa29 26 March 2016 21: 03
        +1
        Probably the price is the main argument. thank
        1. FenH
          FenH 26 March 2016 21: 05
          0
          Quote: sisa29
          Probably the price is the main argument. thank

          Probably more recycling. Very troublesome business. Please hi
        2. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 26 March 2016 21: 58
          0
          .. You know, he wanted to sell his own father or, even better, lose to the cards ..

          N.V. Gogol
          1. FenH
            FenH 26 March 2016 21: 59
            0
            Quote: Oprychnik
            .. You know, he wanted to sell his own father or, even better, lose to the cards ..

            N.V. Gogol

            What are you doing?
            1. Oprychnik
              Oprychnik 26 March 2016 22: 59
              0
              You are the most curious creature. Because of your extreme curiosity, today I received a warning from a moderator named Alexander Romanov on charges of rudeness, although rudeness, according to my observations, is precisely his prerogative, just like yours. (I draw the attention of the administration to your moderator Alexander Romanov , which in a boorish manner treats users uncomfortable to him, not paying attention to his tricks).
              Well, as for your topical issue, I could give you a link to the work, but, I feel, you do not need it.
              1. FenH
                FenH 26 March 2016 23: 08
                0
                Quote: Oprychnik
                You are the most curious creature. Because of your extreme curiosity, today I received a warning from a moderator named Alexander Romanov on charges of rudeness, although rudeness, according to my observations, is precisely his prerogative, just like yours. (I draw the attention of the administration to your moderator Alexander Romanov , which in a boorish manner treats users uncomfortable to him, not paying attention to his tricks).


                I was really interested in your comparison of Putin with Eun, and his relevance.
                Quote: Oprychnik
                Well, as for your topical issue, I could give you a link to the work, but, I feel, you do not need it.


                And why did you drag this work?
                1. Oprychnik
                  Oprychnik 26 March 2016 23: 56
                  0
                  You are a strange person. Like a computer, literally. That is, there is no connection between the practice shooting of artillery Un, which many call a provocateur, and the exercises in the Barents Sea with our President you see?
                  Or, let's look differently. Our President can shoot with training missiles, but Eun not? Are you racist? An adamant follower of the steady race of the White Race?
                  I will explain why I compared you with a computer. A computer is a piece of iron, unlike the human brain. If you are ordered, and you are a computer, you do (speak, write, babble). If you are a person, you have options from which you will choose the most suitable for yourself. As a result, 95 % of the speakers, writers, and babblers are nothing more than bots, which are just the neuro-terminus of a huge and comprehensive System called the Matrix. And you are just the smallest branch in its extensive network. And only 5% in this System have freedom of choice. I'm sorry, but you do not belong to them.
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 27 March 2016 10: 06
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                    Quote: Oprychnik
                    You are a strange person. Like a computer, literally. That is, there is no connection between the practice shooting of artillery Un, which many call a provocateur, and the exercises in the Barents Sea with our President you see?
                    Or, let's look differently. Our President can shoot with training missiles, but Eun not? Are you racist? An adamant follower of the steady race of the White Race?


                    And Putin, as you put it, fired rockets threatening someone, do not specify? Probably he wanted to intimidate the Norwegians, judging by your logic? And before that, he still promised them to deliver a nuclear strike on them? Doesn't your comparison seem silly to you?

                    Quote: Oprychnik
                    I will explain why I compared you with a computer. A computer is a piece of iron, unlike the human brain. If you are ordered, and you are a computer, you do (speak, write, babble). If you are a person, you have options from which you will choose the most suitable for yourself. As a result, 95 % of the speakers, writers, and babblers are nothing more than bots, which are just the neuro-terminus of a huge and comprehensive System called the Matrix. And you are just the smallest branch in its extensive network. And only 5% in this System have freedom of choice. I'm sorry, but you do not belong to them.

                    Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. hi
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 26 March 2016 21: 12
      +4
      Corvette itself with 240 million dollars will grow to 400-500 with the same composition of percussion instruments. Plus, the maintenance budget will increase (it is necessary to prepare warheads, maintenance, basing). There will be very serious problems with the voyages - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs conducts Petya on every overseas voyage almost at the Lavrov level, that is, the entry of an atomic ship into other people's waters, a friendly visit to the port, basing, purchases in the overseas port - all this goes to a different level of approval.

      Atomic power justifies itself on energy-consuming ships, where you need to generate a lot of energy, for example, on icebreakers, aircraft carriers. Modern destroyers-cruisers at the reactor are more expensive and not profitable (there is no need for such energies, at least until the Lasers / Rails went to the masses), and modern strike means are quite compact and everything works great on modern turbines, squeezes their 30 nodes from good autonomy on the economic course, with the exception of the ideas of an atomic strike formation, which does not require constant supply and is capable of independently navigating the 30 with a nodal move in the order and striking at any sea, air, and ground targets. However, it is so expensive that even the Americans did not master it while the USSR was still alive.
  • Gora66
    Gora66 26 March 2016 20: 39
    +1
    one weirdo roofing felts accidentally roofing felts not accidentally "missed" the ships and carried their diarrhea to the masses and the bulk of them readily took it all, strain and check it out for scrap ...
  • aleks700
    aleks700 26 March 2016 20: 59
    -1
    This is a topic for an article ... criminal. Military Prosecutor's Office, ay !!!
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 26 March 2016 22: 46
      -1
      Yes, they know everything.
      Work.
  • Michael67
    Michael67 26 March 2016 22: 45
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    Quote: Michael67
    I propose to assign all attorneys and unscrupulous, to put it mildly, to re-education in the hold division on the "Kuznetsov". Let the aircraft carrier be prepared for combat service. And then "Kuzya" (I so affectionately call him) will become the best aircraft carrier in the world.
    Have pity on "Kuzyu" (Everyone calls him so lovingly) Mikhail, the eyewitchers will ruin him in an instant. request hi

    I forgot to say. Negligent (Moscow staff, etc.) to provide means of communication with all technical support and suppliers. But not more. Then (for going out) the work will boil. And the aircraft carrier cruiser will be repaired, replenished with all kinds of allowances and trample the shaitans.
  • Michael67
    Michael67 26 March 2016 23: 20
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    Quote: severyanin
    Quote: Michael67
    To put it mildly, I propose to assign all attorneys and unscrupulous ones for re-education in the hold division on the "Kuznetsov". Let the aircraft carrier be prepared for combat service.

    No, it's better to come to us at Ustinov! You look, the ship will finally be kicked out of repair, even this year! Shame, no words am

    You, my friend Eugene, got excited about "Shame, no words".
    Somehow, to put it mildly, think non-state.
    I consulted here - Sergey Gennadievich agrees with me.
    I am not alone.
  • Holsten
    Holsten 27 March 2016 01: 30
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    In July last year, a new law was adopted to control the means of state defense orders. Actions ensuring the impossibility of full control over the state of the material part of the Navy are an instrument of a certain part of interested parties to ensure the invulnerability of their previous positions. Well, what can the law do if, as information for analysis, not floating, but floating data are offered?
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  • kig
    kig 27 March 2016 06: 32
    +1
    And what does marine painting have to do with it? Apparently, the author used this term because it is consonant with "logistics", but meanwhile a marine painter, for example, is an artist who draws on marine themes.
  • veteran2015
    veteran2015 27 March 2016 07: 26
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    Quote: hrych
    In general, on the one hand, the number and condition of such combat supermachines are state secrets, on the other hand, it is a method of intimidating the enemy.



    Well, I wouldn't get so excited here! All information is taken from open sources, so I don't see state secrets here. And the article, quite relevant and correct, was written to the point. That they do not have time to build, modernize and repair warships, I see one of the main reasons as the minimum availability of qualified specialized workers and specialists at the shipyard and shipyards. And it led to this, the complete destruction and oblivion by the "liberal young reformers" in the "fat years" of the vocational education system. A good turner, welder, ship hull cannot be found with fire during the day. Young people do not go to the factory, even if you crack it! The trouble, in a word.

    Old shipbuilding specialists are leaving, but they don’t have a replacement!
  • gfs84
    gfs84 27 March 2016 08: 58
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    Monipulations with numbers have a place to be ...

    At the same time, there is an answer to this question in my opinion:

    At an extended meeting of the Collegium of the Ministry of Defense 11 in December last year, Sergei Shoigu said that the fleet at the end of 2015 had received less two surface ships. Yury Borisov corrected his boss, reporting on the delivery of eight ships. In the previous publication “Two to Eight does not stretch in any way”, the author has already named six ships and vessels that were then stuck in shipyards or did not complete the tests: these are the frigates “Admiral Grigorovich”, “Admiral Essen”, “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov”, corvette “Perfect”, a large landing ship (BDK) “Ivan Gren”, the base minesweeper “Alexander Obukhov” and the logistics support vessel “Elbrus”. What other two units does the Deputy Minister of Defense mean, we simply don’t know and we don’t even guess. Probably something from the number of basic floating equipment ...


    Quite possibly the two missing are the Mistral.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 27 March 2016 10: 38
    +1
    Quote: Talker
    An example is Stalin.

    But for you, then, obviously, an example is Mehlis, whose portrait on your avatar portrays the main scammer, who was stupid everywhere he was sent by Stalin, who criminally surrendered the Crimea to the fascists in 1942 with huge losses for the Red Army, which together in the defeat near Kharkov was one of the main reasons for the Nazis to break through to Stalingrad!
  • cedar
    cedar 27 March 2016 14: 23
    +1
    I am a supporter of the point of view that at the HE it is necessary to consider what is happening in the country primarily from the Military point of view, i.e. the consequences for Russia of the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War with the West and, as a result, the loss of sovereignty. Especially if this applies to the Army, Navy and military-industrial complex of Russia. Less puzzles will be for writers and their readers, which is now very important to correctly determine in time and space and make the right choice.