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State of readiness of submarines under construction for the Russian fleet

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Blog bmpd published information published by the Submariners of Russia resource, which reports on the planned deadlines for the delivery of Russian nuclear submarines and their current status.




Project "Borey-A".

- zak. 204 (head) "Prince Vladimir", readiness 44,6%
Power intake - November 2016
output from the workshop - March 2017

- zak. 205 (1-th serial) "Prince Oleg", readiness 19,1%, output from the workshop - December 2018 g.
change - December 2019

- zak. 206 "Generalissimo Suvorov", readiness 13,9%, output from the workshop - December 2018.
change - December 2020

- zak. 207 "Emperor Alexander III", readiness 2,7%, output from the workshop - December 2019
change - December 2020

- zak. 208, 0,3% Readiness,
bookmark - December 2016 g., output from the shop - February 2020 g.
change - November 2021



Project "Ash-M".

- zak. 161 (head) Kazan, readiness 67,5%
change - December 2017

- zak. 162 (1-th serial) "Novosibirsk", readiness 35,5%, output from the workshop - December 2018,
change - December 2019

- zak. 163 "Krasnoyarsk", readiness 19,3% withdrawal from the workshop - December 2018
change - December 2020

- zak. 164 "Arkhangelsk", readiness 4,7%, output from the workshop - December 2019
change - December 2021

- zak. 165, 0,6% Readiness
bookmark - July 2016 g., output from the shop - December 2020 g.
change - December 2022

- zak. 166, 0,3% Readiness
bookmark - July 2017 g., output from the shop - December 2021 g.
change - December 2023. ”
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mil.ru, eagle-rost.livejournal.com
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  1. Michael67
    Michael67 25 March 2016 10: 00
    +18
    Yes, everything is fine. It is a pity, of course, that the deadlines are pushed to the right. There are objective reasons for this - greetings from the past.
    The main thing is that the business is being done. And without obvious opposition and sabotage.
    1. makst83
      makst83 25 March 2016 10: 02
      .
      But in the Cossack there is a Cossack submarine "zaporizhzhya" who went on raids on Constantinople wassat
      1. SU69
        SU69 25 March 2016 10: 16
        +19
        Quote: makst83
        But in the Cossack there is a Cossack submarine "zaporizhzhya" who went on raids on Constantinople wassat

        But how does your nonsense relate to the article?
    2. sub307
      sub307 25 March 2016 10: 23
      +3
      "... without obvious opposition or sabotage." And from whom, you, in fact, assume "counteraction and sabotage" - "explicit" ..., very interesting. The aforementioned phenomena are just dangerous in the form of a hidden, veiled under "good intentions" (remember the "hunchback with EBN).
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 25 March 2016 12: 04
        +3
        Quote: sub307
        "... without obvious opposition or sabotage." And from whom, you, in fact, assume "counteraction and sabotage" - "explicit" ..., very interesting. The aforementioned phenomena are just dangerous in the form of a hidden, veiled under "good intentions" (remember the "hunchback with EBN).

        Well, hunchbacked with EBN, in my opinion, this is too global. I remember that during the construction of the cosmodrome, during the construction of the Vladivostok aquarium, and other facilities, all delays in the timing with sufficient funding were associated with the leakage of money to the wrong side. Maybe implicitness is also directly related to nondetection.
        1. sub307
          sub307 25 March 2016 16: 13
          +1
          Blondy: "Well, humpback with EBN, in my opinion, this is too global." - possibly large-scale, wide, etc. well, not "globally".
          Blondy: "... all the delays in terms of sufficient funding were due to the flow of money in the wrong direction." - I do not presume to comment, since I have not read the materials on the "leak in the wrong direction" specifically on the topic discussed in the article. Maybe you know something, a reference please. But the fact that there is an elementary lack of production capacity (shipyards for the implementation of the program) is kind of noted in the article.
          Blondy: "Maybe here, too, implicitness is directly related to undetectability" - aha, and "non-manifestation" with "implicitness" n id ...., "... then they appear, then - dissolve" .... Just " pearl blonde ".
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    4. avt
      avt 25 March 2016 10: 36
      +3
      Quote: Michael67
      Yes, everything is fine.

      No.885th really freezes. request So the old Soviet 971, 949 and a couple of the ancients will already pull the service strap. request And the 885th campaign will share the fate of exotic piece titanium "goldfish". sad It's a pity ! A beautiful boat and as a universal project of a hidden strategist is interesting.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 March 2016 10: 55
        +5
        Quote: avt
        And the 885th expedition will share the fate of exotic piece titanium “goldfish.” It's a pity! A beautiful boat and as a universal project of a hidden strategist is interesting.

        Ash is the first submarine of the 4th generation.Borei is the submarine of the generation all the same 3+. Such MAPLs like Severodvinsk, oh, how we need them and we need more than one or two of them. When the deadlines for the delivery of Ash trees are shifted, there are already quite serious talks about building a submarine of the generation 5 Husky, which is weird.
        1. avt
          avt 25 March 2016 11: 05
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          With the shift in the date of the Ash's delivery, there is already in all seriousness talks about the construction of a generation 5 submarine "Husky", which is strange.

          Well, that a new project is being prepared - nothing strange, normal. But the fact that they immediately pounced on 885 - "expensive and you don't need much", like 8 pieces, even in excess. This, yes, it really looks like sabotage. And the fact that following the results of "Sarov" you can work on a new project, well, that's even good.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 March 2016 12: 19
            +4
            Quote: avt
            But the fact that they immediately pounced on 885 - "dear and you don't need much", like 8 pieces, even in general with an excess. This, yes, it really looks like sabotage

            Multipurpose nuclear submarines are the most promising area in the subject of submarines. Moreover, these missile carriers are always at the forefront of military confrontation. It is expensive, yes. But building and maintaining a fleet has always been not a cheap pleasure. We have two ocean fleets where these MAPL are needed. were yesterday and not even 8 pieces (4 for each), but much more.
            And the development of the next generation of submarines is a good thing, but when will they be? These are still only "Wishlist" and nothing more, like an aircraft carrier. And we need Yaseni-M now. As well as Lada, Kalina.
            And the Piranha project is very relevant now. And God forbid they will return to it.
            1. avt
              avt 25 March 2016 12: 25
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              This is expensive, yes. But building and maintaining a fleet has always been not a cheap pleasure.

              Well, yes - indeed 885 is a completely logical project for the construction of peacetime, and, like the USA, everything is logical and understandable - SSBNs and PLA are universal, multipurpose, and we also have an additional "budget" bonus - diesel submarines. and it is necessary to frolic by increasing the autonomy and "habitat" region by increasing the performance characteristics.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 March 2016 12: 32
                +3
                Quote: avt
                Well, something like that - indeed, the 885 is quite a logical project for building peacetime, and like the USA, everything is logical and understandable - SSBNs and PLA are universal, multi-purpose,

                Now there is a tendency towards versatility and multifunctionality in everything. Take aircraft manufacturing, for example. There are no clean, highly specialized fighters, but there are IFIs.
                The multi-purpose systems have a future, and unfortunately today it is very unfortunate, in the light of time shifts, the construction of Ash-trees looks like.
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 25 March 2016 13: 32
                +1
                It's just that regular experts in the Duma and others like them limit the series all the time, not realizing that the next ones - "cheaper" will not be like that at all. Again they push on the old rake with a variety of projects.
        2. 76SSSR
          76SSSR 25 March 2016 11: 18
          +1
          With what fright "Borey" 3+? Yes, why not 3 ++?)
        3. mav1971
          mav1971 25 March 2016 14: 32
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: avt
          And the 885th expedition will share the fate of exotic piece titanium “goldfish.” It's a pity! A beautiful boat and as a universal project of a hidden strategist is interesting.

          Ash is the first submarine of the 4th generation.Borei is the submarine of the generation all the same 3+. Such MAPLs like Severodvinsk, oh, how we need them and we need more than one or two of them. When the deadlines for the delivery of Ash trees are shifted, there are already quite serious talks about building a submarine of the generation 5 Husky, which is weird.


          Husky is not the fifth generation.

          There is still nothing in the world that would fit into the concept as the 5 generation.
          Not formed yet.
          There is not even a clue.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 March 2016 16: 15
            +1
            Quote: mav1971
            There is still nothing in the world that would fit into the concept as the 5 generation.

            Well, there’s still something. For example, the direction in which the concept of arsenal ships is traced. Again, in the arsenal, these are hyper-high-speed rockets. Instead of propellers, water cannons. Although now there are water cannons on the Boreas, but in a compartment with screws.
            At the same time, the question of new alloys and composites becomes urgent. Well, of course, it is too early to speak about electronics too.
        4. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 25 March 2016 15: 14
          0
          If you believe what I met on the Internet, "Husky" is reduced to a displacement of 5-6 thousand tons "Ash". Well, and accordingly the mines, taking into account the declared Zircon missile
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 25 March 2016 11: 31
        +2
        Quote: avt
        So the old Soviet 971, 949 will pull the strap of the service

        you forgot about the 945 and 945 (a) project ... there are 4 of them 2 already on the mod ... our titanium barracudas ... multi-purpose .... very good project ....
        1. avt
          avt 25 March 2016 11: 42
          0
          Quote: gispanec
          you forgot about the 945 and 945 (a) project ... there are 4 of them 2 already on the mod ..

          Quote: avt
          And the 885th campaign will share the fate of exotic piece titanium "goldfish"

          "The Motherland hears, the Motherland knows ..." laughingWe have not forgotten anything.
    5. lelikas
      lelikas 25 March 2016 10: 40
      +2
      Quote: Michael67
      There are objective reasons for this - greetings from the past

      The Tsar is to blame or the Bolsheviks? Maybe the Nazis, but .... I know - Khrushchev did not allow the fleet to develop !!!! It was at least 15 years old to fix everything - but somehow it did not grow together - Yeltsin from the grave interferes - he is plotting ...
      1. avt
        avt 25 March 2016 10: 57
        -1
        Quote: lelikas
        Ar is to blame or the Bolsheviks? Maybe the Nazis, but .... I know - Khrushchev did not allow the fleet to develop !!!!

        what wassat Probably all the same, Stalin ..... and Beria. Exactly Stalin! He signed the decree on the creation of the nuclear submarine on September 12, 1952. There are no more guilty parties ... well, only Beria and the Gulag in general. requestSo in vain to slander Khrushchev erect, in vain. wassat
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 25 March 2016 11: 12
          +1
          Quote: avt
          So in vain to slander Khrushchev, in vain

          Well, how in vain - it's from the past! drinks
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 25 March 2016 11: 53
        +3
        Was not 15 years old. Because in 2000, Russia has external debts, seven-bank banking, low tax collection, the war in Chechnya, black cash and gray customs schemes rule the show. It took even Stalin at least five years to demolish various tumors of the political life of that time and to establish the mechanisms of governance in a new way. Compare 1929 and 1936 in the USSR. So take the countdown at least from 2005-2006. Further, the crisis of 2008-2009. And since 2014 we have been living under siege. In total, we have "good" 5-6 years. So, not everything is so hopeless, although, of course, we would like different results. And do not forget about the opposition both inside and outside the rearmament of our army.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 25 March 2016 13: 28
          0
          All this is great, but how does it affect the budget allocated for the construction of the fleet? With rare exceptions, he only grew all these years, little depended on ill-conceived allies there, so the construction didn’t interfere with anything, especially the relatively large series. To the problems of the plant itself - all this has little to do.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 25 March 2016 14: 30
            +2
            And why did you get the idea that money is everything? Well, we have allocated a budget, and what is good in our industry with personnel and equipment? Yes, the years of collapse have not been in vain so far. It will go around for a long time, because an engineer and a skilled worker can not be so easily obtained from an egg. And there are also not enough qualified managers, but pseudo-qualified ones in abundance. This is one side.
            Another is control and responsibility. Everything is visible here in full view. Officials and other officials now rarely respond with a pocket and a job; I’m not talking about freedom, but when it comes to housing and communal services. Why is it different in other sectors of the economy?
            The third side is the constant opposition to economic growth both from outside and within the country of a certain circle of people.
            So the problem is multifaceted, and it needs to be solved multifaceted.
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  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 25 March 2016 10: 04
    +10
    11 boats for the 2023 year - excellent. That’s how much will be written off by that time and what will remain in service - that’s the question.
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 25 March 2016 10: 05
    0
    The pace of rearmament is impressive. Moreover, the submarine is an extremely effective weapon.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 25 March 2016 10: 22
      +3
      Moreover, the submarine is an extremely effective weapon

      Let's not forget that effective weapons become only in skilled hands. You need to prepare divers.
  5. atamankko
    atamankko 25 March 2016 10: 11
    +4
    The reasons for the postponement are objective, most understand this.
  6. kote119
    kote119 25 March 2016 10: 11
    +7
    Previously, such data was gostaine, but now everyone is not too lazy to publish blogs sad
    not so long ago for this they gave a ticket to the all-Union health resorts of the Magadan region. and the Urals
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    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 25 March 2016 10: 45
      +3
      Um ... And who said that the indicated dates are 100% reliable information? And so, by writing in open sources the PLANNED (that is, the SUGGESTED) deadlines for putting submarines into operation (and not only them), you can do a good job of trolling probable opponents. Nekhai freak out - from impotence.
      And the fact that they build warships is good, that's right. Even if it is not immediately possible to restore the former power of the Navy (and its underwater component) - so Moscow was not immediately built either.
      Seven feet under the keel to the new (and not only new) ships of the Russian Navy!
      I have the honor.
    3. jjj
      jjj 25 March 2016 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: kote119
      Previously, such data was gostaine, but now everyone is not too lazy to publish blogs sad
      not so long ago for this they gave a ticket to the all-Union health resorts of the Magadan region. and the Urals

      About forty kilometers from Sevmash, there is the "Pirs" zone, which contains many curious stubborn characters. So there are places not so distant
  7. KOH
    KOH 25 March 2016 10: 14
    0
    Everything is normal !!! So when the boats were humped, the carcasses were smashed with an excavator, I just screamed the hunt for powerlessness, so the dogs bark the caravan ...
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 25 March 2016 10: 15
    0
    Quote: inkass_98
    11 boats for the 2023 year - excellent. That’s how much will be written off by that time and what will remain in service - that’s the question.

    Rotation, bro. Yes, and a major upgrade is becoming more expensive. I believe that the choice of replacing obsolete assets is justified. Quantity (within reasonable limits) should gradually flow into quality.
  9. Dimontius
    Dimontius 25 March 2016 10: 21
    0
    Listen, but I have a question: But what if the war? Will the pace accelerate? or resources from boats redirected? also applies to ships and other long-term construction projects ... thanks in advance
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 25 March 2016 10: 56
      0
      But if the war? Will the pace accelerate? or resources from boats redirected?
      if war with the use of such weapons, then the question of long-term construction is already inappropriate ..... there will be no long-term construction, like the rest .......... in fact, the role of Borea is the role of a terrible scarecrow for the aggressor, no more
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 25 March 2016 10: 22
    +1
    Quote: kote119
    Previously, such data amounted to gostain, and now everyone is not too lazy to publish blogs on blogs :(
    not so long ago for this they gave a ticket to the all-Union health resorts of the Magadan region. and the Urals
    Once published, then there are no state secrets. Times have changed. What could previously be hidden under a camouflage net, today, on the contrary, attracts more attention. And who said the numbers are accurate?
  11. Every
    Every 25 March 2016 10: 22
    +2
    Even if the terms are shifted by a couple of years, it is not critical. The main thing is to build it. After all, 8 Boreyevs are a very significant force.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 March 2016 10: 22
    +5
    Well, the dates have been shifted, but this does not mean that they "spat" on the submarine fleet. Today there are objective reasons that do not give the right to say that everything is lost.
    That's how much they will write off by that time and what will remain in service - that’s the question.

    The submarine is not an electric meat grinder, which must be changed after 3-4 years.
  13. Flinky
    Flinky 25 March 2016 10: 23
    -1
    Quality disa. And bloggers are happy as children - the authorities are hiding it!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 25 March 2016 11: 57
      0
      What is so high quality in this "disinformation"?
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 March 2016 10: 24
    0
    Well, there’s another point in the fact that boats are not simple projects.
    Such can be moved, within reasonable limits of course ...
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 25 March 2016 14: 29
      -1
      Quote: Zomanus
      Well, there’s another point in the fact that boats are not simple projects.
      Such can be moved, within reasonable limits of course ...

      What is so difficult there? They are already the third dozen ...
  15. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 25 March 2016 11: 27
    +1
    And not a single Marshal Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Vasilevsky, Konev. I'm not even talking about Generalissimo Stalin.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 March 2016 12: 58
      +1
      There are "Admiral Gorshkov", "Admiral Kasatonov", "Admiral Golovko" and "Admiral Isakov"
  16. starschina
    starschina 25 March 2016 11: 35
    0
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    And not a single Marshal Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Vasilevsky, Konev. I'm not even talking about Generalissimo Stalin.

    early, after 50 years they will call!
  17. demidov.evg
    demidov.evg 25 March 2016 11: 41
    +1
    I will say not on the topic, but on the advertising support of the site. Why does the site regularly advertise Protestant sects with their Bible and Gospel study services? Did you pay a lot? But still, we consider ourselves to be Russian people, the Russian world. We are Russians, we are Orthodox! Therefore, I think that hyperlinks to Bible studies with the filing of Protestants (or Catholics, or, say, Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormons) are not appropriate on this portal! It is necessary to provide appropriate links to Orthodox sites, and not to sites of "Evangelical Christians"!
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 25 March 2016 13: 57
      +2
      Not an admin, but a programmer. As an experience: the site does not advertise. He gives space for it. By entering into a contract with an advertising aggregator (for example, the same Yandex ... their advertising subsystem). And what you see is different from what others see (exactly the same as vice versa). This selection is made by "smart" auto-adjusting ad networks based on your online behavior.
  18. Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 March 2016 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    Um ... And who said that the indicated dates are 100% reliable information? And so, by writing in open sources the PLANNED (that is, the SUGGESTED) deadlines for putting submarines into operation (and not only them), you can do a good job of trolling probable opponents. Nekhai freak out - from impotence.

    In the history of various wars in Russia and not only cases of misinformation of the enemy with the help of fake tanks, aircraft and even manpower were widespread. In order to confuse and frighten the presence of greater forces than the enemy assumed. That makes sense. Although not far from the truth, but somewhat ahead of the Soviet Union officially announced the availability of nuclear weapons. This became a powerful brake for the Americans, who had already grown sober from their own power, who already imagined themselves to be rulers of the world. It is always preferable that the opponent overestimate than underestimate.
  19. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 25 March 2016 12: 01
    +3
    It’s strange whether yesterday an article was posted with similar deadlines, only the source was gazeta.ru. What a howl there was from the cheers-patriots - a liberal source, everyone lies, spies, agents, etc. even Sobchak was dragged wassat And here nobody seems to be indignant, or is everything still ahead?)
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 25 March 2016 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      It’s strange whether yesterday an article was posted with similar deadlines, only the source was gazeta.ru. What a howl there was from the cheers-patriots - a liberal source, everyone lies, spies, agents, etc. even Sobchak was dragged wassat And here nobody seems to be indignant, or is everything still ahead?)


      They have medication in their wards today ...
      And they didn’t allow access to the Internet :)
  20. Torins
    Torins 25 March 2016 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: Dimontius
    Listen, but I have a question: But what if the war? Will the pace accelerate? or resources from boats redirected? also applies to ships and other long-term construction projects ... thanks in advance

    If war, then all plants will be destroyed first. So is there anyway the construction of the fleet in such conditions is a big question)
  21. Michael67
    Michael67 25 March 2016 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: avt
    And the 885th expedition will share the fate of exotic piece titanium “goldfish.” It's a pity! A beautiful boat and as a universal project of a hidden strategist is interesting.

    Ash is the first submarine of the 4th generation.Borei is the submarine of the generation all the same 3+. Such MAPLs like Severodvinsk, oh, how we need them and we need more than one or two of them. When the deadlines for the delivery of Ash trees are shifted, there are already quite serious talks about building a submarine of the generation 5 Husky, which is weird.

    Remember how Korolev immediately removed a single-stage launch vehicle from the building and took on a three-stage rocket?
    Maybe the same situation has developed? Maybe Husky needs to be developed?
    I don’t know the details. This is a question. Can anyone clarify? Although unlikely. Vultures are everywhere ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 March 2016 19: 39
      +1
      Quote: Michael67
      Maybe the same situation has developed? Maybe Husky needs to be developed?

      I was away, so I am extremely sorry that so late I can insert my 5 cents into the conversation of forum users.
      I already wrote that the United States, faced with the excessive cost of the Sivulfs, were forced to consider replacing them with a more budgetary analogue.
      Now we also faced a similar problem. The new multi-purpose boat should be less in terms of displacement, cost, crew, more automated, maintaining / multiplying the achieved performance characteristics.
      And so it is. The issue has been resolved with Boreas. A series of 8 will be, then possibly there will be modifications. But there will be no fluctuations in the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces. The program will be executed. Modifications will go under the new SLBM.
      Well, the second. The problem is boat stuffing, not riveting a PC.
      And this is a nationwide problem, not just the Navy's and cutting budget money.
  22. Resistance
    Resistance 25 March 2016 15: 07
    +1
    Every generation begins with the wording of this generation itself, that is, a boat, an airplane, an automatic machine.
    Even until you lose consciousness, shake the word "Husky" or the number 6 in front of your face. And what is it about?
  23. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 25 March 2016 15: 23
    +1
    Quote: eugeniy.369

    Money is allocated, but the result is not very.
    And about
    Quote: Michael67
    And without obvious opposition and sabotage.

    I did not understand this, what sabotage if support is 89%?
    Rather, theft, sloppiness, incompetence.


    Oh, sorry you are not there .... otherwise you would have shown how honesty, self-discipline and competence fellow

  24. Zubr
    Zubr 25 March 2016 15: 31
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: avt
    And the 885th expedition will share the fate of exotic piece titanium “goldfish.” It's a pity! A beautiful boat and as a universal project of a hidden strategist is interesting.

    Ash is the first submarine of the 4th generation.Borei is the submarine of the generation all the same 3+. Such MAPLs like Severodvinsk, oh, how we need them and we need more than one or two of them. When the deadlines for the delivery of Ash trees are shifted, there are already quite serious talks about building a submarine of the generation 5 Husky, which is weird.


    I think it's nothing strange. According to my assumptions, a new mat will be rolled in on the ash trees. part for the fifth generation, at the same time the crews gain experience. We lost a lot of time with "REBUILDING". And you understand to break, not to build. hi
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 March 2016 16: 22
      +4
      Quote: Zubr
      According to my assumptions, they will run a new mat on the ash trees. part for the fifth generation, at the same time the crews will gain experience.

      Everything would be fine if it weren’t so sad. We only have one ash available, and it’s not even Ash-M. Remind me how many Severodvinsk was built? I believe a shift of two years, this is just the beginning, how bitter it is to admit it.
      You can blame bureaucrats, sanctions or a lack of money, but the result of one series of Ash-trees is not there and is not expected in the near future. This is the reality today. Alas.
  25. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 25 March 2016 15: 57
    +2
    Not always desire coincides with reality. Well, if so, but it’s not in vain
    Chernomyrdinskoe sits in our liver - we wanted the best, but it turned out ...
    And money may simply not be enough, if only among governors, such as the former
    Sakhalin, do not withdraw stolen. Which is unlikely.
  26. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 26 March 2016 19: 41
    +1
    Well, here's the specifics on the shift in the delivery date of the order from 2020 to 2022-2023. The previously published material from the "informed media" caused a heated debate about the reasons and rumors, but now everything is almost clear - there is not enough capacity! Basically. and we solve this issue by transferring part of the orders to St. Petersburg (they gave the floating nuclear power plant) and to K.-on-Amur? But this is so to speak "at the discretion of the command and the leadership of the country," as well as the leaders of Severodvinsk, who are unlikely to want to give the "fat" piece of the "pie"? Like that dog in the manger! Sorry, but ....