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Who is to blame and what to do? Answer to the Colorado Cockroach

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After reading the next message from our cockroach, for the first time I decided to make a certain answer. The point is not even that one cannot unconditionally agree with all the above, but that according to the principle of "who is guilty and what to do" one cannot immediately find a solution to the problem.


Who is to blame and what to do? Answer to the Colorado Cockroach


I will begin in the order set forth by the author. Chechnya The fact that there were representatives of the "most svidomykh" is known. I agree. The fact that not everyone was buried or caught was also. However, let me say that the Second Campaign is not Syria. Then it was only the most optimistic citizen who could talk about that in our army in particular and the country as a whole.

“To move” the Ukrainian authorities in terms of extradition at that time was simply pointless. It’s not even the absence of an agreement on the extradition of criminals of any level, but the extent to which Ukraine would listen to such requirements in general. At that level Russia was not at that level, what could be hidden here.

Yes, and the power structures for catching, too, were not in their best form. Given the existence of a visa-free regime between the countries and the absence of a border as such, it is difficult for me to understand how it would be possible to catch those volunteers who rushed from Chechnya back to Ukraine. And if you remember what the human turnover was at the borders, then this matter does not seem at all feasible at that time.

Of course, if you look from the Ukrainian side, then definitely Russia is to blame for the fact that the Natsik from Ukraine fought in Russia. However, it was not Russia who brought them up, not Russia who had gathered on the way, not Russia, who met with flowers and snot of happiness, on their return. And as for me - our fault is only in the fact that some were able to return and use the fruits of their heroism.

As for the RNE and other fun formations in Russia ... Yes, it was. Yes, they rallied and marched. But I'm sorry, but where are they now? And how many of them? To say that they were tormented by the root is impossible. Still sitting on the burrows. But to compare it with how much noisy in the style of "banderade’s order" today goes around Ukraine (and how openly) and how this is the case in Russia, to put it mildly, is incorrect.

Sorry for the comparison, but our brown and black nationalists are like cockroaches. They sit quietly in the cracks and do not crawl out into the light of day.

About polls. The survey, it should be noted, such a thing ... thin. Where to interview, among whom, how to ask questions.

Most recently, the Kiev International Institute of Sociology conducted a survey among citizens of Ukraine. The results of this survey will not please you. 63% of Ukrainians are sure that we are at war with Russia. Sure! 65% know for sure that there are Russian troops in Ukraine. And only 18% say that there is no war.

I cited figures only for you to understand: there is no insight among Ukrainians. There is a part that was pro-Russian from the very beginning, but the bulk of them are “fighting”.


Good. I interviewed a thousand people in Kiev. Or even two. No longer interrogate in practice. Expensive. Usually in decent polls they write: "1027 people from different social categories were interviewed." And then the data of this survey are projected to the whole country. In other words, attributed to those who did not respond.

If you were interviewed in Kiev, and even in the Grushevsky area or on the Maidan square, then yes, I completely agree with myself that 650 people out of a thousand answered exactly that way. But for the same Kharkov I would not be so sure. Although everything can be. But in any case, the 1000 respondents out of a million are just 0,1%. And in Kiev, more than a million lives unequivocally.

So with the fact that 65% of Ukrainians are at war with Russia is doubtful.

The most vile thing is that the lack of unity of our nation "plays" against Russia. More precisely the absence of the Ukrainian nation, as such. We both were, and remained "patchwork". At least four colors. West, center, east, Tatars ...

What, and the church, too, we? Here is Russia what side? The fact that Ukraine is completely artificial education has long been known and understood. And the fact that it is mixed there very strongly is also known. But sorry, there was no such nation before the beginning of the last century - Ukrainians. Did not have!!! That's why every one threshes at you. But Russia has nothing to do with it. Even as the successor of the USSR, in which the Bolsheviks started to fathom this state.

In the end, in 23, one could have a quilt and redraw it. Opportunities were. And the time was. And money. Zababahali would Western Ukraine as a federal phenomenon, and all the rest as well. Who hindered? Russia again?

So forgive me, today this is precisely what Ukraine is doing.

About the national idea. In continuation.

Our national idea for today is that Russians are to blame for all our troubles. We are looking for an idea outside of Ukraine. We are looking for an enemy. When there is nothing that unites the people, the only way to save the state is to invent an external enemy.

Well, take the path of least resistance. Fine. Enemy found. Perfectly. But sorry, the enemy doesn’t want to fight with you at all. In the maximum sense of the word "absolutely". And all economic jumps and antics with sanctions, embargo and blockades were beaten, beaten and will be beaten mainly in the Ukrainian pocket. Is not it so?

Well, we can not without helicopters and ships. Here we are, as we can. And we can ... Therefore, we have helicopters and launch ships into the water. Yes, hemorrhoids have been added, but nothing, it is surmountable and solvable. But we are not to blame for the fact that the Ukrainian government has made a wedge in this very plan.

On the other hand, in connection with these antics, the Ukrainian Armed Forces also lack a lot. More precisely, it is easier to see what is. But not about new tanks, neither planes, nor helicopters, and even more so, we are not talking about ships. Is Russia also to blame?

Well, what shall we do? The fact that something needs to be done is clear. There are those who believe that it is necessary to clean the brains through a military operation with the subsequent work of the Dzerzhinsky division. That is the 1946 variant of the year. But for this basically those who are on 100% are fighting for sure that he will not participate in this operation.

Brain processing informative? Duck and so work the media. From the heart work. But in the most Square with the same diligently struggling. So it's not a gorilla with a club, as in the first case, but woodpeckers. Reach the larvae sooner or later. It's a question of time. Which we, I note, is still missing. And the fact that some Ukrainians have come to understand, but have not yet taken shape, is, of course, good. But one should not hope so much that a kind wizard will come, trachetid bury, and everything will become beautiful all of a sudden.

Naprygali and namaydanili that "Ukraine - tse Europe"? Use. What is not allowed? But Russia has nothing to do with it. We did not push anyone under one place. They did not kick up, they were all honored.

Take now, and begin to clarify that the future of Ukraine is only with Russia? Yes, and reinforce it with an open gas pipe at such prices that the entire elite could collapse into evrami? Yes, and throw a dozen billion dollars to restore the destroyed?

Sorry, past stage. This is all already been. Downed. They bought, to put it bluntly, all of Ukraine on the vine, if only Sevastopol would not be lost. The result is known. Some have saved a lot in the future, and some have gone bankrupt.

To fill up with gifts and benefits in the future, so that the Ukrainian brains will see the light, and be able to see that it is advantageous to be in relationship and friendship with Russia, today hardly anyone in our government plans. Ukrainian rake is an expensive and painful thing.

From here only one conclusion: we must wait.

It is necessary to wait until every second comes to Ukraine that there was no way to Europe, no, and there will not be. In Europe, rogues are not needed, there are enough of their own. And it is better if before each first.

And you shouldn't expect Putin to arrive in a blue helicopter with a container of money, and everything will suddenly become as before. Ukraine is not the Crimea, but the Crimea has been Ukraine for two years now. And never will be part of it. And the Crimean scenario will not.

And what could be? How can you help everyone to be nice and pleasant?

When (I hope, when, and not if) the Ukrainian people will come to understand that Russia is not an enemy, but a friend, and then it will be possible to start doing something. Rebuild relationships, revive trade, the economy and everything else.

Yes, this will have to drastically change power. But - without Russian tanks on the streets of Kiev. Without our paratroopers in Poltava. They themselves must cope. Undoubtedly, we can help. And we can. But not as much as the main majority would like. With frank aggression. Figushki.

And all this time, of course, we are obliged to work on the heads (by contents) of the Ukrainians. Explain. Prove. To argue. And perhaps, then at the exit, we will get, at a minimum, a friendly Ukraine.

I agree with the Cockroach in one thing: yes, we lost the battle for the brains of the Ukrainians. But the lost battle is not a defeat in the campaign. Moreover, by and large we did not come to this battle again.

Well, you have to take revenge. And start from scratch. Again. Naturally, taking into account past mistakes on both sides. To avoid older and younger brothers. And there were just relatives.
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  1. Evgesh91
    Evgesh91 24 March 2016 06: 33
    +4
    Moreover, by and large, we did not come to this battle again -I agree 100%! and this is disgusting, they surrendered practically their zone of influence without a fight.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 24 March 2016 06: 49
      +47
      Most recently, the Kiev International Institute of Sociology conducted a survey among Ukrainian citizens. The results of this survey will not please you. 63% of Ukrainians are sure that we are at war with Russia. Sure! 65% know for sure that there are Russian troops in Ukraine. And only 18 say there is no war.

      All sociologists in Ukraine, or those who call themselves sociologists, honestly admit that from twenty to fifty percent of potential respondents simply refuse to participate in such surveys. People are afraid to speak their mind. And I can assume - practically, with one hundred percent probability - those who refused have an opinion different from the official one, which is pumped through a powerful propaganda machine.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 24 March 2016 07: 55
        +12
        Quote: Voha_krim
        from twenty to fifty percent of potential respondents simply refuse to participate in such surveys. People are afraid to speak their mind. And I can assume - practically, with one hundred percent probability - those who refused have an opinion different from the official one, which is pumped through a powerful propaganda machine.

        ...Yah?!
        But according to unofficial conversations - "without entering into the protocol", and conducted by "non-sociologists" and not in "polls", and so - purely for zhituha ... So in these conversations - among refugees from the ATO zone, by the way! - the results are close to the declared ones! ...
        Propaganda machine, grin? ...
        --------
        ... brains, brains! almost fresh! ... To whom the brains - we give ourselves inexpensively, not for nothing, of course, but - inexpensively, inexpensively ...
        1. Darkmor
          Darkmor 24 March 2016 08: 13
          +42
          Who is to blame and what to do?

          Perennial questions ... maybe someone from Ukraine will read my post:

          If you want to bill someone, then you are looking for the culprit.
          If you are trying to solve a problem, then you are wondering what to do.
          Maybe you need to first find someone who pays, and only then solve the problem for this money. Or you need to solve the problem first, and then demand compensation.
          BUT! You HAVE to deal with the problem whether you find the culprit or not.

          In fact, all problems are solved quite simply, including in Ukraine. But simple doesn't mean painless or free.
          Let's say you have a toothache - this is a solvable problem. You can go to a good dentist and pay for pain reliever. You can go to a bad dentist without anesthesia. Or, you can tie a thread around the tooth and try to pull it out yourself.
          Simple, right?

          If you are told that this problem cannot be solved, you are actually told that the available solutions to the problem, for some reason, do not suit them.
          There are 3 main problems in Ukraine: corruption, oligarchs and separatists. And you can easily solve any of them.
          Let's admit the conflict in Donbass. You (Ukraine) can:
          1) Solve it by military means, suppressing dissent
          2) Fill the conflict with money by bribing those who disagree
          3) Agree with those who disagree by making mutual concessions
          It would seem, evaluate your capabilities, choose one of the options and act to achieve your goal.
          What is Ukraine doing? She chooses ALL options, and does not spend enough energy on any one - and at the same time she expects that someone from the outside will solve her problem for her.
          If we recall the analogy with a tooth, a Ukraine girl walks from one doctor to another without going into the offices, and at the same time hoping that in the process of her opening the door will knock down some inattentive dentist who will accidentally knock out a sick tooth with his elbow, and then also he will throw up money as compensation for moral suffering (and if he is a handsome American or European, he will also marry). As a result, the girl will remain poor, sick and unmarried.

          Ukrainians, choose one realistic option, take responsibility for the decision, grit your teeth and go ahead. If you are not able to do this, then you cannot be a state and a nation.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 24 March 2016 11: 39
            +20
            Quote: Darkmor
            If we recall the analogy with a tooth, a Ukraine girl walks from one doctor to another without going into the offices, and at the same time hoping that in the process of her opening the door will knock down some inattentive dentist who will accidentally knock out a sick tooth with his elbow, and then also he will throw up money as compensation for moral suffering (and if he is a handsome American or European, he will also marry). As a result, the girl will remain poor, sick and unmarried.

            Ukrainians, choose one realistic option, take responsibility for the decision, grit your teeth and go ahead. If you are not able to do this, then you cannot be a state and a nation.


            Bravo!!! This is perhaps one of the best comments on the situation in Ukraine! My applause! The best analogy is hard to come up with. And by the way, to the same analogy, the girl (Ukraine), moving from office to office, lost her handbag with a dowry (Crimea), and without a dowry, neither a European, let alone an American, is needed for nothing behind the barn, because although she is beautiful, but greedy and stupid!
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 24 March 2016 12: 01
            +20
            Quote: Darkmor
            Ukrainians, choose one real option, take responsibility for the decision,

            Oh, holy simplicity! Are you so naive that you think the people can really choose something? Explain to you how the system with "democratic" values ​​works? It's like a test - there are a number of ready-made answers to which you need to answer: "approved -not approved. "The fact that among the ready-made answer options there is no one that suits people (in our case, the Ukrainians), nobody is interested. NOBODY SOUNDED THE REAL OPTION. Nobody was going to voice it. And while the country is in this state , politicians are "sawing" the grandmother. And they are interested in such a state to last as long as possible, ideally, always. Here is the classic dialogue "people & power" (a lot of non-normative, I had to edit, original here http://pikabu.ru/story/ dialog_nenormativnaya_leksika_390464:
            People: "Twice a week, on Tuesdays and Fridays, we all have a mop handle in the ass. We don't like that and we are against the mop in our asses."
            authorities: “We are ready for a constructive dialogue. Offer an alternative to Tuesday, Friday or a mop, we will consider all your suggestions. ”
            People: "The estate with a mop must be canceled !!!"
            power: “The opposition does not bear a constructive beginning. They are only against it, but they do not offer any “for”, we only hear what needs to be destroyed, and we do not hear a proposal - that it is necessary to introduce into the backside instead of the mop handle ”.
            People: 'We still don't settle for an estate in the ass with a mop.'
            authority: “We hear your discontent. The mop will be carefully polished. Tax breaks for petroleum jelly producers will be introduced, now you will not see who shoves a mop at you. "
            People: "No, we say, no mop."
            power: “Quick removal of the squeegee can lead to rectal trauma and bleeding. Do you want bloodshed? "
            People: "We want to stop sticking a mop handle in our ass."
            Power: “Don't rock the boat. You have come under the influence of the FSB, which convinces you that you have a mop in your bottom, because they do not need a strong Ukraine. "
            People: "No, we say, we feel our butt, and we see the mop."
            power: “Your voices are heard. Cardinal reforms will be carried out. New mops will be purchased
            Over the next five years, half of the population will only see the mop on Tuesdays and the other half only on Fridays.
            The approach to selecting mop-injectors will be changed. In five years, the mop will be half injected. ”
            People: "No, we say, no mop in our butts."
            power: “If you pull out the mop quickly, you will stagger and may fall. Aren't you afraid of losing your balance? Only a mop in your ass can keep you, there is no alternative in Russia.
            If we pull out the mop, something worse than a mop will be shoved in your ass, we will leave it as it is ”
            I beg your pardon for hooliganism, but this dialogue reflects the essence of communication between the authorities and the people, and WHAT choice people have in reality.
            1. aleksey980
              aleksey980 24 March 2016 12: 37
              +6
              Quote: revnagan
              Oh, holy simplicity! Are you so naive that you think the people can really choose something?

              Can!
              But, alas, in government affairs, a real people's choice of their own is possible only through rivers of blood sad
              1. Darkmor
                Darkmor 24 March 2016 13: 19
                +1
                Quote: revnagan
                Oh, holy simplicity! Are you so naive that you think that people can really choose something? Explain to you how the system with "democratic" values ​​works?

                The people always choose something. "My hut on the edge" is also a choice.

                To go to the Maidan against Yanukovych is the choice of a handful of marginals. Ignore this Maidan - the choice of the majority of Ukrainians - all together it gave a coup.
                Start anti-terrorist operation in Donbass, choosing a new Verkhovna Rada and Turchinov. Ignoring the possible consequences of this choice - the choice of the majority of the population of Ukraine - all together it gave a civil war.
                And now this civil war must somehow be ended. And again the choice is for the people.

                If the people again withdraw from solving the problem, and their representatives (government) do not want to (and they do not want, because they are tracing paper from the people) to make a decision, then the people will lose something again and the situation will worsen.
                Perhaps in a year we will be discussing the ATO in Kharkov and Odessa, or the annexation of Lvov by Poland. And again, the people of Ukraine will have a choice - but this time about how to solve more complex problems with fewer resources.
                1. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 24 March 2016 15: 52
                  +5
                  Quote: Darkmor
                  The people always choose something. "My hut on the edge" is also a choice.


                  Not certainly in that way. More precisely - in most cases it is not so.
                  When you were suddenly hit on one cheek, then substituting the second or giving back is very rarely a CONSCIOUS choice. In most cases, this is not a choice (here I completely agree with Revnagan), but a reaction. When a person is shocked, his reaction is to pull his hand away. And to say that he has a choice: to pull back or not to pull back - to put it mildly ... strange. I hope the difference between reaction and choice is clear.

                  The people's choice was in 1991 - to preserve the USSR. So what? And nothing. As if he weren’t ...

                  The reaction is often caused not by the work of consciousness, but by the state at the moment: a state of uncertainty, fatigue, fear, fear, hopelessness, unjustified expectations ... the list goes on.

                  Well, how to get the desired reaction is no longer a secret, starting with the works of I.P. Pavlov and ending with the latest developments in cognitive science and neurobiology. And given that the moment of the strike was carefully prepared, the required state for a weak-willed reaction was intensively formed for 23 years (the negative that poured through all media channels, grants, political operettas and buffoonery ...), "trial balloons" were launched, sociological research was conducted, specialists in reflexive control were involved - the reaction of the "hut on the edge" is quite predictable and expected.

                  The problem is that the situation cannot be rectified by mere appeals to the people to "realize" and be active. request The wrong conditioned reflexes can only be fought with reflexology! yes hi
            2. Vik66
              Vik66 24 March 2016 15: 50
              +1
              I haven't laughed like that for a long time !!! Thank !
            3. samuil60
              samuil60 25 March 2016 00: 46
              0
              +1000! Democracy - it is so !!!
            4. cheega69
              cheega69 26 March 2016 18: 56
              0
              Put + for the dialogue of the people with the aliens. But I'm not sure that this is about Ukraine. Rather, the name Ukraine was introduced additionally.
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 24 March 2016 18: 34
            0
            Darkmor

            You have described several technical ways to solve the problem.

            When there is a choice, it is hard to make a choice. Therefore, one has to look for a method to make this choice.

            But the most ridiculous thing is that the answer lies on the surface. They don’t come to him, because stereotypes will break.

            For what absolutely everyone agrees to fight?
            Communists, fascists, liberals? You say, everyone, for his own. But there is also something in common. This is something that all of them together will not let die. This means that you need something common for everyone.

            What do the swan, pike and crayfish have in common? General exercise, cart. And what kind of cart does everyone have? State.

            If the real state is not nationally oriented, puppet, who will recreate it?

            Liberals cannot, they themselves want to fuck the state. The Communists can’t disagree with them in all areas, they are weak.
            The Nazis cannot, their idea is formally an order to fulfill their goals.

            Natsyki remain. Want to be independent, so be them. Create your own state, nationally oriented.

            And who will bother them?

            And the liberals will hinder them. Because the state is a tool for making a profit. So let them agree with them how to live on.

            This will be possible, because GDP will soon cut the strings of external influence on Ukraine.
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 26 March 2016 09: 28
          +1
          Well, in these conversations - among the refugees from the ATO zone, by the way! - the results are close to the declared ones! ...
          Have you spoken to everyone personally? And with what, with those who rushed to Russia or who, in their own trouble, to Kiev ?? So do not throw a fan ..... here without you such specialists in bulk.
    2. venaya
      venaya 24 March 2016 07: 02
      -1
      by and large, we did not come to this battle again -
      And if we "did not come again" to this battle, it means that we are like simple ostriches "buried our heads in the sand". Such an ostrich policy can, should, and has led us exactly to what we now have in relations with almost all our neighbors, which is clearly not acceptable. It is not easy."zone of influence", this is our direct zone of vital interests, necessary for elementary survival, and here we cannot stand aside.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 March 2016 07: 15
        +16
        Quote: venaya
        And if we “didn't come again” to this battle, it means that we, like simple ostriches, “buried our heads in the sand”. Such an ostrich policy can, should, and has led us exactly to what we now have in our relations with almost all our neighbors, which is clearly not permissible. This is not a simple "zone of influence", this is our direct zone of vital interests, necessary for elementary survival, and here we cannot stand aside.

        I read it three times. Carefully. Nifiga did not understand what the thought was about. Okay:

        - we buried our heads in the sand
        - this led us to what we have with our neighbors (almost all. That is, still not quite with all?)
        - what we have with our neighbors is unacceptable (and, by the way, what do we have with our neighbors?)
        - zone of influence, it is also a zone of vital interests
        - this zone is necessary for survival
        - here we can’t stay away - where - here ???

        ABOUT! Poison me, poison ...
        1. Felix
          Felix 24 March 2016 18: 21
          +4
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          ABOUT! Poison me, poison ...

          Do not look for meaning where it does not exist.
          If you now ask your opponent what Russia should have done in order not to lose Ukraine, you are unlikely to get an adequate answer, there will be some common phrases.
          People simply forget that at a time when our "partners" were playing with might and main in the former republics of the former USSR, Russia was solving its pressing issues, and we had no time for "younger brothers", who, however, did not consider themselves as such. They imagined themselves to be at least the second Storage, and if they wanted any help from Russia, it was only financial, and preferably free.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 25 March 2016 12: 49
            0
            Quote: Felix
            Don't look for meaning where there is none

            - I'm not looking ...

            Quote: Felix
            he is not

            - that’s exactly what I tried .. um .. to illustrate laughing
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      2. oracul
        oracul 24 March 2016 08: 29
        +4
        It's not that simple, dear venaya. Russia did not come because it was neither militarily nor economically ready for a confrontation not with Ukraine, but with the West. Therefore, there is no need to blame anyone, but you just need to really weigh the pros and cons.
        1. venaya
          venaya 24 March 2016 09: 18
          0
          oracul "Not so simple,"- Perhaps the only thing with which I completely agree with you.
          I am afraid that you are only considering the military-economic component of pressure, but this is clearly not enough. Here and Cat man null didn’t understand anything, even asks for poison, this is often seen behind him. I note that I almost in every post, although not outwardly noticeable, relate to this problem. Even a good attack from our media does not yet lead to the required results, apparently it is necessary to more closely understand the previous mistakes and expand the fronts of influence in a large number of different directions of influence. In this case, we are dealing with a very experienced enemy, which, after all, is not immediately possible for everyone to see. It is difficult to describe everything in short posts, only I clearly do not mean exclusively the military component of the impact, numerous other, not very visible fronts are required here.
          1. hrapon
            hrapon 24 March 2016 20: 17
            +5
            Quote: venaya
            oracul "Not so simple,"- Perhaps the only thing with which I completely agree with you.
            Apparently, it is necessary to more carefully understand the previous mistakes and expand the fronts of the impact in a large number of different directions of impact ....



            I have only one question: did you Klitschko or did he teach you rhetoric?
        2. Boatsman_Palych
          Boatsman_Palych 24 March 2016 11: 41
          +3
          Quote: oracul
          Russia did not come because it was neither militarily nor economically ready for a confrontation not with Ukraine, but with the West, for and against.


          And if I was ready to confront the West? By the way, the PMSM, this is exactly what Russia has demonstrated - defiantly smile connecting the Crimea. Shaw, brothers Svidomo tire admirers would cease to dream of tseevrop and lace panties? And the damn Mos.kali would not have become the occupiers who deprived them of their quivering dream to become Europeans for free? Sacked Russians of Little Russia should be ill with their wretched Nazism. Unfortunately, this partially happens ONLY after a total defeat in the war, but not to the end - see the example of Germany and Japan. And it is even better that Nata came to them - for comparison. The Afghans now have a different attitude to the shuravi.
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 24 March 2016 16: 45
        0
        Quote: venaya
        And if we “did not come again” to this battle, it means that we, like simple ostriches, “buried our heads in the sand”

        Vyacheslav, what do you offer? Still come to this battle? And what will come of this if no one invited us there? There is not a single legitimate representative of this entity under No. 404. So there is no one to invite. And get into a fight uninvited ...
      4. Suhow
        Suhow 25 March 2016 22: 48
        0
        to stay away, but you can’t, but direct conflict is a lot of blood and hatred ... Here I agree with the author, Wait and crush morally, well, add money (letting gas to Europe leave as needed without the possibility of reselling us to Ukraine, for example then next winter the majority will very briskly beat the face of pro-European patriots. I will exaggerate as usual, but I think there are specialists in the Russian Federation who can correctly calculate the consequences of a real trade war (which everyone calls on Gunpowder and to) and arrange it all with the conclusion of the Russian capital, departments of zarobitchans (nefig patriot to work for the enemy), etc. And Europe with problems in Greece to mine Argentina of Spain, let them try to pull Ukraine, the States to help, I think they will not pull .. And then ordinary people will figure it out. But all actions must be forgiven, but I hope there are specialists (Georgia, for example, was tempered by the Russian aggressor.)
      5. marl
        marl 26 March 2016 03: 14
        0
        Quote: venaya
        this is our direct zone of vital interests

        Our last interest in Ukraine, which we must get rid of as soon as possible, is a half-rotten gas pipe to Europe.

        Quote: venaya
        essential for elementary survival

        I would not argue that the existence of a friendly Ukraine is a prerequisite for the survival of Russia. Rather, the opposite is true. We live as it is not the first decade without friendly Baltic states and nothing.
        The fact that Russia lost Ukraine - so Russia almost lost itself in the 90s, was not up to Ukraine. Themselves were in a state of half-life.
        And Ukrainians will not change their minds; there already more than one generation has grown up in a negative for Russia. Relations with them will be like with Poland, it’s good if just pragmatic.
    3. atos_kin
      atos_kin 24 March 2016 09: 16
      +6
      What kind of "fight" are you talking about, there can be no battles for the good of the people between the rotten communists (Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Kuchma)? They have always spit on people. The current "partners" are also only for their own benefit. And the trouble is not in the national differences of the representatives of one people, but in the class affiliation of the authorities and residents of both territories of the former USSR.
    4. max702
      max702 24 March 2016 12: 52
      +1
      Did you jump and say that "Ukraine is Europe"? Use it. What, they are not allowed? But Russia has nothing to do with it.
      How is it not to blame? Guilty! according to the horses, the reason is simple, Russia invaded / Ukraine and there is a war and only for this they are not taken to Europe.... So the blame for the misfortune of Rinda is known to everyone there ..
    5. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon 24 March 2016 13: 13
      +1
      And what did we influence there? We were not allowed to privatize even those enterprises that were as dependent on Russia as possible in terms of raw materials and / or marketing of products! And this is in mutually beneficial areas, the rest is complete darkness!
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 24 March 2016 15: 02
      +2
      And what can be said about the Ukrainian authorities if a completely literary Russian word that Medvedev expressed in relation to the head of the SBU is blocked on our website? Well, let's call it in German chtoli - Unterdumkopf. And what, does the meaning change from this? About the same, but "Ober .." I generally keep quiet.laughing From this all Anglo-Saxony sobs crying
    7. iouris
      iouris 24 March 2016 17: 02
      0
      But on the other hand, they patted someone on the shoulder approvingly.
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    9. siberalt
      siberalt 24 March 2016 17: 20
      +1
      It is pointless to stir the Ukrainian authorities, even with the same propaganda. Everything has already happened in the history of mankind. The strong devour the weak. Either they buy the elites or conquer the rebellious. If Russia had not had its own position and nuclear weapons, the term "hybrid war" would not have been invented. That is why the jackal of the Kuevo junta yaps, because we are sure that Russia will never bomb its own people, even if divided by some time, for the sake of its displacement. Will not wait! Ukraine has become an object of existence as a "state" (phantom) and the subject of American political "burglars" to open the storerooms of our state for personal enrichment. For this, they have their own sexotas in the form of various kinds of "oppositions" and all sorts of pseudo parties with a picture of a gnawed fruit and parnassos with Alekseeva and Anal, and others who are smaller, such as Shenderovich and other representatives of his family.
      As for the so-called Ukraine. She can’t even afford to repaint it under Europe, but to quit it is even worse. If it explodes from the inside, then the number of refugees to Europe from BV will seem like flowers. The western border of the outskirts will collapse. Who will fight with whom there? Do we need it? We already have this on the eastern border. But on this border there are no mono-ethnic formations, and on the western one it is full and in the form of states. Europe in its present form is doomed. As far as Russia is concerned, only the unity of the people will save us. And we have already passed this many times.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 24 March 2016 20: 57
        0
        On the Natsik metallers and punks walked along the iron march in Magnitogorsk, then the Natsik did not.
        Subcultures die off, but when people need to unite. yes
        Now in the city Natsik not seen, there is no fashion such ... bully
    10. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 24 March 2016 18: 07
      +5
      Quote: Evgesh91
      practically surrendered their zone of influence without a fight.

      Well, we didn’t have a chance to explain something to the Ukrainians! They are now in our 90s. This "grip" they will have to get sick on their own. And then they will say that damn m ..... they were not allowed to get into a bright future. And remember the Russia of the 90s. Then try to explain to the people where they climb and how they will have to pay. Democracy and liberalism were light, and communism was a dark past ... It was necessary to personally plunge into cold water to feel everything. By the way, the capitalist train is only accelerating along The other day, Ella Panfilova has already told Putin in the eyes about the gap between the poor and the rich, so that the flowers can still bloom here.
      No one will help the Ukrainians, because they are not needed by anyone. Haliava ended on both sides of the world. And all that remains is to smash the dishes and burn their homes in impotently possessed rage. What Ukrainians are selflessly and mentally engaged in ...
    11. Pasha
      Pasha 25 March 2016 19: 41
      0
      photo of a good face is clearly visible to almost everyone
    12. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 26 March 2016 20: 17
      0
      And they got to their head Poland 2.0.
  2. engineer
    engineer 24 March 2016 06: 43
    +7
    And not relatives, but just neighbors. And good neighborly relations happen if there are common interests with mutual benefit. There are no prerequisites for such a relationship between Russia and the ruin, and it is not expected in the near future. All young people in the ruin are poisoned by Nazism; generations must pass by the time.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 07: 15
      +3
      Friends must be, not neighbors. And then the connector can try, find something on the side. Thinking that there is better and that's it. If you think only about the benefits, then nothing good will come of it.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 24 March 2016 12: 03
        +4
        Quote: perm23
        . Thinking what’s better there and all


        We thought, let's go, and they were sent for 25 years. What's next, and all the same, every day they go to Oyropu. It reminds me of a joke - A man comes, no matter where, but in return, we told you, come tomorrow, and you come today every day. So Banderlog will go for another two hundred years, well, who needs them poor, who is going to feed them.
        How people will not understand the simple truth. the entire Ukrainian elite and the camarilla serving it in the form of the media, officials, etc. bought by the West to carry out certain tasks, namely: to create a zone of tension on the southwestern border of Russia in order to limit its development and create conditions for the destruction of the economy, followed by the collapse of the country. But no one set the task of developing Ukraine as an independent independent state. There will be a state there like at the beginning of the 20th century with its Petliurists, Makhnovists, and the West and the Ukrainian elite will suit it, it's easier to fish in troubled waters. And the wretched are jumping for cowards, for visas and more. Well, well, download further. Then you will cry, but Oyropa has already been taught by migrants.
      2. Cro-Magnon
        Cro-Magnon 24 March 2016 13: 24
        +1
        Usually, such cunning friends will make a friendly climb into your pocket! So it's better just neighbors, without close acquaintance and common feasts!
    2. Syria
      Syria 24 March 2016 16: 45
      +1
      Let's say - the brains brightened, the youth stopped jumping, the Banderaites were transplanted, gladly they stuck the shovel cuttings in the ass.
      And what - to restore economic ties, to heap loot into the economy? So it is pointless and unrealistic. Everything will come exactly to the same in ten years. To the next hohlobardak.
      Died so dead.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 March 2016 06: 48
    +3
    Explain. Prove. Argument. And perhaps then at the exit we will get again at least a friendly Ukraine.

    Theoretically, yes. But in practice, nothing will come of it. At least in the next five years.
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 24 March 2016 07: 47
      +14
      Support.
      Explain. Prove. Argument. And perhaps then at the exit we will get again at least a friendly Ukraine.

      You can explain and prove something if you are at least listened to and listened to your words. But judging by what is happening again in Donbass, Ukrainians (if not all, then quite a significant part of them, and certainly the ruling elite) have not listened to anyone or listened to anyone for a long time, and even more so to the voice of reason.
      And how I wanted Russia, Belarus and Ukraine to be truly sisters - they came from the same clan!
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  4. V.ic
    V.ic 24 March 2016 06: 50
    +1
    Yes, this will require a radical change in power. But - without Russian tanks on the streets ... Author Roman Skomorokhov

    Will not work Mr. Skomorokhov. Remember the tanks on the streets of Moscow in August 1991 / the first rossiyansky Maidan /. "If in the first act of the play there is a gun hanging on the wall, then in the last act it must certainly fire." A.P. Chekhov. Yes, in October 1993 there was already firing from tank guns at the so-called. "white house".
  5. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 24 March 2016 06: 56
    +5
    Author +100500! The novel in a concentrated and accessible form expressed the thoughts of the majority of Russians. Better to say, in my opinion, difficult.
  6. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 24 March 2016 07: 08
    0
    Thank you, with the answer Solidarity !!!! Especially regarding the extradition of Chechen militants to the UP-OUN- it was pointless .........
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 March 2016 07: 16
      -2
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      Especially regarding the extradition of Chechen militants, UPAUN- it was pointless .........

      Read Khodokovsky. Recent interviews. There he is just talking about how we transferred Ukrainian fighters to his fighters. It is in Chechnya. And about his attitude to these militants.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 24 March 2016 07: 47
      +3
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      Thank you, with the answer Solidarity !!!! Especially regarding the extradition of Chechen militants to the UP-OUN- it was pointless .........

      Why so? Because - the then leadership of Russia was not much different from the current Ukrainian? ...
      Should have demanded extradition! At least - would dot the "i"; and they will give out - they will not give out ... It would be clear now - "are you for the white and for the red?" ... or completely on the sidelines !?
  7. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 24 March 2016 07: 09
    +6
    Most recently, the Kiev International Institute of Sociology conducted a survey among Ukrainian citizens. The results of this survey will not please you. 63% of Ukrainians are sure that we are at war with Russia. Sure! 65% know for sure that there are Russian troops in Ukraine.
    UkroSMI around the clock "hang noodles" Svidomo for different tastes and manners, not surprising
  8. mav1971
    mav1971 24 March 2016 07: 10
    +43
    No need to "help" them.

    The original article clearly described how and why Ukrainians are imbued with "ChSV-a sense of their own greatness." which began to go off scale.
    As the whole country, Ukraine began to engage in Self-Realization at our expense, precisely opposing and humiliating us in our eyes.
    We have become a real enemy.
    For the whole country and for almost every Ukrainians.
    This is true. and if someone speaks. that there are few such "violent" - this is not at all the case.
    If someone sitting in his kitchen sympathizes with Russia, we consider him to be zero.
    Nothing depends on this.
    He was silent then, and will be silent later.
    In any case.
    Forgot how many people "sympathetic to Russia" went through the mobilization in the ATO?
    They were silent and went to fight against the DNI and LC, their people went to fight.

    A priori, it is necessary to put the statement like this:
    "Bad - All!"
    "Enemies - Everyone!"

    Let's continue.
    So 25 years passed.
    25 years is not one generation. This is a minimum of 2 generations that grew up with hatred of Russia.
    And they will raise their children and grandchildren in hatred.
    Russia is to blame.
    Now we see this in the blood of 2's generations.
    Then it will be in the blood of 4's generations.
    Accordingly, no rethinking of the situation by the Ukrainians themselves takes place over the next 75-100 years.
    Wait, down on the fact that the Ukrainians will back down and turn to Russia - engage in self-deception.
    Stop it.

    Realize!
    Ukraine is a hostile country!
    Ukrainians are a hostile people!

    It was reformatted.
    With or without us.
    It makes no difference who is right and wrong.
    No help!
    No Russian actions on joint plans - all this will continue to be perceived as our weakness!
    No relatives! no brothers, younger or older!
    A brother who is at war with a brother, a brother who burns his children - should not be our brother either now or through 25. not in 50 years!

    She, this Ukraine is hostile.
    And the point.
    No plans for the future!

    These are the words in the morning!
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 07: 19
      +7
      If we climb and help with our kindness, we will get even worse. We must all just dispersed, dispersed. We are on our own, they are on their own. And if all the time he repeats about the fraternal people about mutual assistance and helps, then we will only harm. Like gangrene. Wait and hope that it will pass by itself, but cut it.
    2. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 24 March 2016 07: 48
      +1
      mav1971 (1) RU Today, 07:10 New
      No need to "help" them.

      accidentally plus
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 26 November 2016 00: 37
        0
        Quote: mav1971

        No relatives! no brothers, younger or older! .... not in 25. not in 50 years!
        No plans for the future!
        These are the words in the morning!

        don't overstrain, North Korean Pokemon ...
    3. 1774
      1774 24 March 2016 09: 00
      +13
      I support 100. I may be categorical, but everyone who is at least the slightest bit pro-Russian is either a refugee in Russia or in the LPR and DPR. The rest in their majority hate Russia fiercely. And there is no need to talk about the Soviet generation. I have already written about relative, Soviet officer colonel, senior lecturer at the Academy of Communications in St. Petersburg. He finished his service in the 90s. He left for Ukraine 10 years ago after the death of his wife. Now Russia is an aggressor for him, it is impossible to dissuade him! Arguments of his daughters Dad, you are a Soviet officer, you lived all his life under the USSR, absolutely inactive. You are occupiers, you are aggressors. By the way, Russian by nationality. That's it.
      1. goose
        goose 24 March 2016 15: 02
        +3
        Manipulation by posing as a victim and causing guilt is an effective way to control a person from the outside. Ukraine, the Baltics and other nationalist republics have been constantly trying to engage in this low and stupid manipulation since 1991. Nazarbayev and Lukashenko, however, quickly realized that it was not necessary to go too far with this, so as not to become like a capricious overgrown undergrowth with the brains of a 3-year-old child.
    4. gamer
      gamer 24 March 2016 09: 24
      0
      +1 (would give more) !!! good
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      1. revnagan
        revnagan 24 March 2016 15: 07
        +5
        Quote: ver_
        "Ukrainians" T.G.Shevchenko 1851
        ... it was written in 1851 .. This is the mentality of the Ukrainians ...

        Isn't it a shame to post this fake? After all, this fake "like Shevchenko" was created by Alexander Noshchenko in 2014.
        http://elemental1111.livejournal.com/31022.html
        And here-Derzhavin
        "... The donkey will remain a donkey,
        While screeching it with stars;
        Where the mind must act,
        He only claps his ears.
        ABOUT! in vain happiness hand
        Against the natural rank,
        Mad man dresses in mister
        Or into the hype of a fool, "
        ... Grandee (1794)
        Well, are you tired of toil with garbage? And by the way, where does the site administration look?
        P.2 of the Rules no longer works? Does it not work at all, or does it work selectively?
    6. denis02135
      denis02135 24 March 2016 10: 22
      -3
      Dear mav1971
      Are you by any chance Zhirinovsky? smile
    7. teron
      teron 24 March 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Well done. I subscribe to every word.
    8. Yasha Gypsy
      Yasha Gypsy 24 March 2016 14: 49
      +2
      The Americans did not invest their "green" in order for Ukraine to join the EU or NATO and become a "democratic" state. By no means, the overseas plans are somewhat different: they have created another "hot" spot near the borders of Russia. We now have to somehow react to this, use our resources. And they do not care about Ukraine itself, as well as about those countries where the situation was rocked earlier. I agree:
      Quote: mav1971
      She, this Ukraine is hostile.
      And the point.
      ... Will something change soon? I do not think that nationalism has penetrated too deeply into the minds of the people, which they continue to feed and instill. Do I need to somehow help Ukraine? We have where to use our resources in our country. The best teacher and doctor is time. Neither the EU nor the United States will constantly pour capital into Ukraine. The standard of living itself will tell Ukrainians when and what to do.
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 24 March 2016 16: 41
        0
        Time does not heal, it just like wisdom, it only increases sorrow. And grief is a bad doctor.

        Injecting capital or using force scenarios is certainly not an option. But to sit and wait by the sea for the weather, thinking that over time everything will resolve by itself - only the Chinese can afford. yes hi
    9. BMP-2
      BMP-2 24 March 2016 16: 38
      0
      Quote: mav1971
      This Ukraine is hostile. Period, no plans for the future!


      Well, your categorical nature is quite justified, and your emotionality is simply amazing! Do not take it for work, be so kind as to clarify one small moment in your logic of the last part of the statement: if now there are 2 hostile generations in Ukraine, in speed there will be 4, in 75-100 years everyone will be hostile, then all this time you are ready to live with a source of tension, provocation and hostility at their borders?

      And if someone is Russian "suddenly forgot" that he is Russian, does this mean that a new people have appeared at the same time ???

      If a system or part of it is formatted by a hostile virus, this is not a reason to throw away your hard drive. And if other tools don't work, re-formatting is fine. But, this simple action still needs to be planned, and most importantly - done! winked

      Well, it really is not worth helping in the maintenance and development of the mythical Ukrainian identity and, thereby, cultivating the CSP!
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 24 March 2016 19: 23
        +1
        Quote: BMP-2
        in 75-100 years - everyone will be hostile, all this time you are ready to live with a source of tension, provocation and hostility at your borders?


        A good border and visa system have worked great over the past 100 years.
        History is an example.

        Quote: BMP-2

        And if someone is Russian "suddenly forgot" that he is Russian, does this mean that a new people have appeared at the same time ???

        Do you know.
        Yes!
        I saw a couple of dozen Russians who left Russia for permanent residence in Germany, Holland, France, Australia.
        This is a new people.
        He immediately becomes an anti-Russian people by all means.
        He hates everything Russian that is connected with Russia, and most importantly, all Russians who remain in Russia.
        This is an incomprehensible people.
        On the one hand, the locals finally do not accept them "into their own", and they hate "Russian" themselves.
        such is an example of creating a new nationality.
        Damaging and blaming all Russians.
        I see the same thing now in the whole country of Ukraine.
        Nothing new, just the scale is different.
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 24 March 2016 21: 35
          0
          Quote: mav1971
          On the one hand, the locals finally do not accept them "into their own", and they themselves hate the "Russian" ... I see the same thing now in the whole country of Ukraine.


          Chingiz Aitmatov called such people the word "mankurt". Yes, the mankurtization of the population of Ukraine is the goal of the West, and it does everything to make such people as large as possible, the scale grows, the youth are duped, but ... not everyone is like that. Well, I live here and, at least among those with whom I have to communicate, the proportion of such is small. Alas, "the black sheep spoils the whole flock" - it is these marginals who now enjoy unlimited support from the authorities, and it is their opinion that is passed off as "the voice of the people." request

          Ps: well, maybe this is just my subjective opinion, but ... I would not call Ukraine a country. As for me, judging by what is happening here, this is just a TERRITORY, a battlefield, for the most part - informational. But for whom this territory will remain - I hope this is still a question.
  9. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 24 March 2016 07: 10
    +7
    Relatives-Roman - some are different - some worse enemies ........ and from a Blank Slate to build everything - oh not soon ... oh not soon .......
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  11. Francois de Vivre
    Francois de Vivre 24 March 2016 07: 17
    -5
    the result of 73 years of Bolshevik rule. hence Svomism - in the west, slavery, but well-fed, prosperous, in the east, too, slavery, as well as hunger, poverty, and torture. and promises and slogans, slogans, slogans ...
    1. Signore Tomato
      Signore Tomato 24 March 2016 07: 38
      +15
      Quote: Francois de Vivre
      the result of 73 years of Bolshevik rule. hence Svomism - in the west, slavery, but well-fed, prosperous, in the east, too, slavery, as well as hunger, poverty, and torture. and promises and slogans, slogans, slogans ...


      Brad.
      Read about the times of Peter the Great, for example.
      Skaclysm already existed then!
      Skaclysm is when the skippers jump, blame Russia for everything, substitute the ass to the Turks, the Swedes, the Austrians with the Romanians, hoping that they will be friends against Russia.
      But, as soon as all sorts of Turks begin to take the skippers by the buttocks, the skippers rode to Russia for centuries - "help me, brother, I have no strength to endure!"
      Skaklyandiya - the territory where the eternal terpily live - is the territory of the eternally offended.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 24 March 2016 16: 26
        -2
        Quote: Signor Tomato
        Skaclysm is when the skippers jump, blame Russia for everything, substitute the ass to the Turks, the Swedes, the Austrians with the Romanians, hoping that they will be friends against Russia.


        You judge too categorically. Here is a link to the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine, and to be more precise, to the content of the articles of the Pereyaslavl treaty of 1654.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мартовские_статьи
        I understand that Vicky is not the ultimate truth, but the facts of this article are simply selected quite compactly and are easy to read. So what we have: clause 1 "1. In the beginning, please, Your Imperial Majesty, confirm our rights and liberties military, as it happened from centuries in the Zaporozhye Army, that they narrowed their rights and had their liberties in goods and in courts, so that neither the voivode, nor the boyar, nor the steward would intervene in the military courts, and from their elders so that the partnership was narrowed: where three a man of Cossacks, then two thirds must judge.

        Decision This article was pointed out by the sovereign, and the boyars were sentenced: to be so according to their petition. "(Cit.)

        16. Before that, there was no persecution of our faith and freedom from the Polish Kings. We have always had our liberties of every rank, and for this we served faithfully, and now, for attacking our liberties, we are compelled to give in to Your Royal Majesty under a strong and high hand, We diligently asked us through our ambassadors, so that the privileges of Your Imperial Majesty, on the charters written with seals hanging, are one for the liberties of the Cossacks, and others for the gentry, if you please, so that for everlasting time it will be unshakable. And when we are possessed, we ourselves will have a look among ourselves, and whoever is a Cossack will have the liberty of the Cossack, and whoever is a plowed peasant, he will give tribute to His Tsar Majesty's customary way, as before, the same for all people which subjects to Your Royal Majesty, on what rights and liberties they have.

        The Emperor pointed out the decision, and the boyars were sentenced to follow their petition. "

        What next? And then all the "liberties" of Russia were curtailed and curtailed, until the Sich itself was dismissed, and the last koshevoy was not hidden on the Solovki. That is, that constantly, gradually but inexorably, the Russian tsars refused their promises to the Zaporozhye Cossacks, is this normal? Well, what kind of reaction should have been expected in response?
        1. Lekov L
          Lekov L 25 March 2016 11: 50
          +1
          What next? And then all the "liberties" of Russia were curtailed and curtailed, until the Sich itself was dismissed, and the last koshevoy was not hidden on the Solovki. That is, that constantly, gradually but inexorably, the Russian tsars refused their promises to the Zaporozhye Cossacks, is this normal? Well, what kind of reaction should have been expected in response?

          This is great.
          Again the Russians are to blame - in this case, the damned tsarism!
          And of course everything everything, Zapadentsy is not otherwise Garny Sichevye Lytsi.
          That is, the whole of Ukraine (they are not worth the capital letter) is nobility, the Cossacks lytsari and descendants are no less than the episcopate.
          And what did they eat? Fed them hto? Well, in their pure form, their eternal mriya - right now, it is granted!
          Look how much Sich on the island was? In the historical chronicles it is all there.
          And then, as a descendant of some boyar thread, I can also say to them:
          shove your "privileges" and "liberties" into each other where you can and rejoice over and under the other. Tolerant Europe (ask Butenope for rhyme) will be happy for you .. From afar.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 26 March 2016 16: 26
            0
            Dear, did you even bother to follow the link given by me above? There are 16 articles of the treaty of 1654. It is very clearly stated who, what and how should do within the territory of the Zaporozhye Army. Grain growers, cultivate the land and pay tax. Cossacks do their own thing. The tsar does not give away the lands of the Zaporozhian troops to his nobles, he does not give away the peasants to the Panamas.
            Then there were changes to the treaty, the first from 1659, and off we go. They cut down on freedom, common people enslaved, land was taken away. There was no longer any question of autonomy, and serfdom in Ukraine was one of the most flagrant violations of the treaty. And do you expect loyalty from the local population to the autocratic central authority? After the Zaporizhzhya centurion-Gonta, Krivonos, defenders of the people in Ukraine, were treacherously captured by tsarist officers and ordered to be executed by the Poles for cruel execution? Sich itself, the stronghold of independence of Little Russia, was treacherously dispersed, and Kalnyshevsky was rotted away on Solovki? they evacuated, but did not leave behind them wasteland and corpses! Because then they retreated to HIS land, leaving YOUR people in the occupation. And for the tsarist government, for Menshikov HOH.LY never their people They were not. So they behaved like invaders with an OTHER people. So what kind of reaction did you expect? Yes, they served both the Turkish sultan and the devil. Because the tsarist government violated the treaty. So why can't the Cossacks? But the people of Ukraine are always overwhelmingly supported Russia, considering himself Russian too (and this is in spite of ...) Until the Galicians were registered as Ukrainians, and this ill-fated escape was instilled in Little Russia. And here it began. But this is not Ukraine's fault and a completely different story.
            1. Lekov L
              Lekov L 28 March 2016 16: 34
              0
              Sorry sick.
              Exactly. He wrote about this - among the representatives of peoples with insufficient self-esteem neighbors are to blame, better calm, strong and balanced, on which it is convenient to bark.
              There will be no elephant pug trample.
              In this case, which we are discussing here, tsarism is to blame, sometimes either before the Polish authorities or the Turks are to blame.
              But why I am not offended by the Tatars - they took Moscow, or the Ukrainians from the food service, which in 85 my unit was poorly fed.
              Probably because the Great Russian and all others should from birth?
              I arranged the pogroms for Jews (together with Petliura), I, together with Ivan, called the Kazan Tatars from Kazan? Or destroyed (not completely sorry for) Georgian separatism in 20x? Or did the tokens teach the Chukhonians to build by pulling their backs out of the kind German lashes?
              Damn, why can't I get rid of anyone except EBN - you must infringe somebody’s national interests - wherever the defenders of national tolerance do not spit everywhere from Russian unbridled self-consciousness.
              Appeal is not personally to you, to the situation. Notice to all.
              I’m not shouting "Voronezh Cossacks are cooler than the Urals" or "Pomors opened the strait between Asia and America before Bering." Although I relate to Cossacks and Pomors by family roots.
              And they told the ancestors and icons of the Old Believers in the northern huts from the walls to break them - to me to look for Ukrainians, Jews, Georgians, Mordvinians of enemies?
              And the rest of the "environment" is very comfortable - the Russians are to blame.
              Think .. I hurt ..
              Thanks for the respected.
              Sincerely.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 24 March 2016 08: 03
      0
      Quote: François de Vivre
      in the east there is also slavery, as well as hunger, poverty, and torture. and promises and slogans,

      Wi-fi, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore / in relation to Russia / isn’t it in the east?
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 24 March 2016 07: 23
    +6
    I wrote to many of my acquaintances "Ukrainians" on the network in due time, the hangover will be heavy, and there will be no pickle ..we are obliged to work over the heads (content) of Ukrainians...Healthy treat? Not worth it .. you should get sick ..
    1. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 24 March 2016 11: 43
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      I wrote to many of my acquaintances "Ukrainians" on the network in due time, the hangover will be heavy, and there will be no pickle ..we are obliged to work over the heads (content) of Ukrainians...Healthy treat? Not worth it .. you should get sick ..

      I will use your terms. :) The problem is that the usual booze on the outskirts has already grown into chronic alcoholism - so there is no hangover and is not expected. An alcoholic dies of alcoholism but does not quit drinking - he himself can no longer. What, in this case, do relatives usually do if they worry about him (in this example, the relative is Russia)? That's right - they treat alcoholism forcibly in clinics. Including physically and psychologically, as well as emotionally motivate to quit drinking.
      But what is this relative doing now (Russia)? - Gives less money for alcohol, tries to persuade him to stop drinking and hopes that the patient will recover on his own. But the money to put the patient in the clinic is clearly a pity ... IMHO hi
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 24 March 2016 16: 51
        +3
        By the way, yes: one of the most effective ways to treat alcoholism is to change your diet! Simple carbohydrates should be removed from the diet and, against the background of the ongoing detoxification of the body, replaced with complex ones! laughing
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 24 March 2016 18: 44
        +6
        Quote: Misha Honest
        money to put the patient in the clinic is clearly a pity ..

        Mikhail, alcoholism is not treated either in the clinic or by Alcoholics Anonymous - nowhere. It can be drowned for a while, but there is no complete cure. There is only one way - to stop drinking yourself. This is quite possible, even if the case is neglected. The example before you is me. I’m not saying that I gave it up completely and I won’t say. But I can calmly drink 100-200 grams. The next day - I won’t drink it. Checked. So everything depends only on the patient and on no one else.
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 24 March 2016 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          So everything depends only on the patient and on no one else.

          In that case, I'm afraid that the end of the world will come before we wait from the Outskirts of Sobriety ... So far, things are getting worse and worse there. By worse and worse, I mean the younger generation - Dill. The longer we wait, the more generations of children and youth in the Outskirts will turn into "Witnesses of Bandera" ... request
  13. pv1005
    pv1005 24 March 2016 07: 26
    +3
    But in any case, 1000 out of a million people surveyed are just 1%.

    In any case, 1% of a million is 10000. Well, at least it used to be. You can’t argue with the rest.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 24 March 2016 13: 12
      0
      Quote: pv1005
      In any case, 1% of a million is 10000. Well, at least it used to be. You can’t argue with the rest.


      Actually, the author has 0,1%, you need to be careful
  14. kagorta
    kagorta 24 March 2016 07: 49
    +11
    Winning this war for the minds is easiest through the stomach. To make it so that the standard of living, order and all things in the LPNR are three times better, and in the Crimea five times. In the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and the Republic of Belarus as well as in the Crimea. And then there will be a victory over Svidomo. Indomitable, bloodless, clean.
    1. Yasha Gypsy
      Yasha Gypsy 24 March 2016 15: 41
      +6
      Yes, something like this:
  15. Francois de Vivre
    Francois de Vivre 24 March 2016 07: 58
    +2
    kagorta, common sense. but only an orientation towards the Russian people, work for their well-being and prosperity will help to achieve this. and justice - the punishment of Caucasian rapists-fighters, gypsy gas duremar, and Uzbek child-minders. from Russia will not wake.
  16. surrozh
    surrozh 24 March 2016 07: 58
    +8
    If Ukraine is a hostile state, it is necessary to strive for it not to exist. Paradoxically, the horses themselves denied Ukraine - they shouted "we are Europe", "we are Europeans" and with this came to power.
    1. gamer
      gamer 24 March 2016 09: 30
      +4
      good And do not feel sorry for them!
  17. baudolino
    baudolino 24 March 2016 08: 06
    +5
    At least everything, down to the Makarevichs, floated up. And it will be easier to filter the infection now.
  18. CONTROL
    CONTROL 24 March 2016 08: 13
    +7
    In the 25-th time I will repeat: not 25 years, earlier, much earlier!
    ----------
    I will tell you again this simple story!
    At the very beginning of the 80s, traveling in a fast train for a state need (business trip), I happened to be in the same 2-seater compartment with a "middle-aged young" peasant, a Ukrainian. He was a military helicopter pilot with the rank of senior lieutenant (not a navigator, if someone has an association; and - not a "lady in pants" ...). And he was an active mercenary: at the time of our conversation he served in Turkey, and in China, and in Germany-France-Denmark-Switzerland-Italy, and in Africa, and in the Middle East ... He fought, shot ... being serving in наших Sun!
    ... He complained about "zhist" - family, children, dumb money ... pay little! So I am a mercenary - I volunteered when they "threw a cry" ...
    Normal guy; the killer, of course, fought with the Kurds, in Afghanistan (on THAT side! the Americans hired - but: - with a tow truck, did not shoot at "his own") ... he considered Russia an "unfriendly susid"; but - strength is strength ... we endure, they say! ...
    In a word, "non-brotherhood" and "non-friendship" were present in him - as a career officer! - clearly, although calmly, without "fanaticism"!
    I remembered this road meeting ...
    --------
    And the article - well, as an option ... your view on the order and state of things! maybe, maybe! ... Or maybe not!
    1. kagorta
      kagorta 24 March 2016 08: 24
      +1
      If only in the early 90s, I would still understand. But what would be in the 80s, it is that the USSR sent him on a business trip for the United States to fight. wassat
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 24 March 2016 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: kagorta
        If only in the early 90s, I would still understand. But what would be in the 80s, it is that the USSR sent him on a business trip for the United States to fight. wassat

        I ask the wild sorry, not that - I pressed the next key! In the early 90s, of course, Gorbi was already president! in the summer - July-August, it seems; booze in the country was ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 24 March 2016 12: 57
          +2
          Quote: CONTROL
          In the early 90s, of course, Gorby was already president!

          It is incurable request at that time, he could check in at most in Karabakh and elsewhere on trifles on the territory of the Union And Gorby was no longer president but was no longer
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 24 March 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: CONTROL
      In the very beginning of the 80s,

      Quote: CONTROL
      And he was - an active mercenary:

      Quote: CONTROL
      . being in service in our aircraft!

      Did you have head injuries in childhood? fool
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 24 March 2016 12: 44
        0
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Did you have head injuries in childhood? fool

        Honestly - I don't remember! ...
        You’d better accuse him of senility, or something ...
        ... But the table of the main integrals - yes, I remember! means - there was an injury, there was! ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 24 March 2016 12: 53
          +2
          Quote: CONTROL
          You’d better accuse him of senility, or something ...

          And you re-read what you yourself wrote Maybe you will remember wassat
    3. mav1971
      mav1971 24 March 2016 11: 19
      +8
      Quote: CONTROL
      In the 25-th time I will repeat: not 25 years, earlier, much earlier!


      It used to be too.
      Cries about how Ukraine feeds everyone came from every drunken Ukrainian who worked for us or "in the north."
      How do they feed everyone and everyone owes them a coffin for it.
      But they didn’t want to understand then that commodity-money exchange exists.
      What clothes were made from cotton from Uzbekistan and wool from Tajikistan, oil was transported from the RSFSR, and tangerines from Georgia.
      There was a cycle.

      But the union is over.
      Russia has become a leader in the export of grain, from full outsiders to consumers.
      And Ukraine, once a leader, although it maintained export, is many times smaller. Has become
      almost average.
      Here is a picture and showing the realities.
      Indeed, a country of horseback. Gallop, not Ukraine.
    4. EvgNik
      EvgNik 24 March 2016 18: 51
      0
      Quote: CONTROL
      Normal guy; the killer, of course, fought with the Kurds, in Afghanistan (from THAT side! the Americans hired - but: - with a tow truck, did not shoot at "his own")

      Of course, a normal guy, he knew which side to fight on, and now, probably according to the Russians doesn't shoot, as in Afghanistan. "Tow truck"
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 March 2016 08: 15
    +6
    And start from scratch

    Before starting from a clean slate, you need to get this (clean) sheet, that is, to clear everything from the previous abomination, filth and Russophobia. Otherwise it is useless even to start.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 24 March 2016 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Before you start with a clean sheet, you need to get this (clean) sheet, that is, to clear everything from the previous abomination, dirty tricks and Russophobia. Otherwise it's useless even to start


      +, definitely
      Rotmister, not a gendarme hour? good
      1. yvk-evg
        yvk-evg 24 March 2016 20: 19
        0
        ... but it’s a pity that it’s not gendarmerie!
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 24 March 2016 08: 38
    +5
    I think that sobering up will come earlier when Europe gives up on Ukraine. And this will be because looking at the militant Ukrainians Europe is slowly about ... em. after all, "with a pure soul", they organized a funeral torchlight procession under the Belgian embassy, ​​and they were ungrateful, looked and demanded an URGENT EVACUATION! Soon the others will also run away.
  21. Scud
    Scud 24 March 2016 08: 43
    +5
    I am convinced that only Svidomo, stubborn, brainless, galloping substance is to blame for all the troubles of dill. Let her be a little, but it was she who first killed Ukraine in Kiev and then cremated her in Odessa.
  22. magician
    magician 24 March 2016 08: 53
    +3
    The analysis in the article is good, no doubt! Only it does not make it easier for us in Russia. It is clear that Ukrainians will have to slurp shit with a big spoon, it is clear that first of all they should treat their sick country without relying on help from outside. But they cannot be left alone with their misfortune, help is needed from us. What will she be like? Perhaps pressure on the EU and America from our side, perhaps observers, etc., of the recovery process. I don’t know, not a political scientist or a predictor. Time will tell and heal.
  23. Arkan
    Arkan 24 March 2016 09: 45
    +6
    Good weighted article. In my opinion, in order for treatment to go better, we must introduce a visa regime between us and this agonizing territory. The participation of ukrainian natsiks in the bloody massacres is known, it is necessary to put a barrier to them. There is information that the participants of the ATO are building the Kerch ferry, this is an unreliable contingent. Visa filtering is very necessary, so that then you do not bite your elbows. This kinship-un-remembering crowd must do their best to survive the shock of the shock.
  24. TOZ-34
    TOZ-34 24 March 2016 09: 50
    +3
    Time heals here. These "puppies" must get every first and second. It is not Russia that should solve the problem of "Azovs" and other trash. Ukrainians and only themselves. Otherwise, there will be a cry - "Stand up for the people of Grady." The figurines - you yourself have given it to yourself, you decide for yourself.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 24 March 2016 10: 06
      +3
      ... you just need to weed the weeds in a timely manner and often, otherwise they will crush all plantings, and the breeze constantly brings the weed seeds into the garden ..
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 24 March 2016 17: 17
        0
        Yes, you just need an agronomist sensible ... yes
    2. BMP-2
      BMP-2 24 March 2016 17: 16
      0
      Not in the subject, but, I just can't understand: what clever Svidomo head could come to the idea to name the battalion and then the regiment "Azov" the name of the city in the Russian Federation? This is about the same if the SS Division "Death's Head" was called "SS Division" Stalingrad "". yes
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 24 March 2016 19: 37
        0
        Quote: BMP-2
        Not in the subject, but, I just can't understand: what clever Svidomo head could come to the idea to name the battalion and then the regiment "Azov" the name of the city in the Russian Federation? This is about the same if the SS Division "Death's Head" was called "SS Division" Stalingrad "". yes


        From the Sea of ​​Azov.
        The main goal is not to let in the DNI, LC - Berdyansk and Mariupol.
        There they were noted at their beginning.
  25. shinobi
    shinobi 24 March 2016 09: 56
    0
    If the EU policy does not change, and there are no prerequisites for this, it will not take long to wait. And there are no more options for the Maydan people. Still, the economy has come to the fore and will certainly take its toll. Let us return to the borders of 1939.
  26. nishestakovani
    nishestakovani 24 March 2016 10: 52
    -5
    Men! Then I decided to give moonshine still to your holiday, they write that this germania1.ru is good, your opinion is interesting, what say?
  27. Neophyte
    Neophyte 24 March 2016 11: 11
    +2
    Not for 25 years, a reformatting took place in the brains of Ukrainians! The introduction into the consciousness that supposedly the elder brother oppresses and robber happened a long time ago. T. Shevchenko in his verses, in the words of Oles Buzina (eternal memory to him!) Was a true ghoul without memory, forgetting and hating those who warmed him up in Russia! And the entire so-called creative "elite" of Ukraine greatly contributed to this unconsciousness! It's a matter of the past and it's too late to judge this! The inferiority complex and hatred were passed on to generations, which was especially expressed in the Maidans. What to do? and watching the insectarium of various types of "insects" will not work! Is the Russian world so arranged that he will take off his last shirt?
    1. ver_
      ver_ 24 March 2016 16: 08
      0
      ..cancel All laws and the country will be drenched in blood .. "they will be wet for any reason - there are no laws - there is no punishment .." .. walk the flaw from the ruble and above .. "A strong state-state where all laws are strictly or even brutally implemented and there are no "untouchables" - then all will be for one, and one for all, even if the punishment for the crime is cruel ..
  28. nnz226
    nnz226 24 March 2016 11: 15
    +5
    I quote Confucius (Kun-Tzu): "A person who does not foresee the future, failures and misfortunes await in this future. STUDY THE HISTORY TO PREVENT THE FUTURE!" After Pereyaslavskaya Rada in 1654 (verdict: "To the people of Russia, fid the Tsar of Moscow!") In Little Russia, an idea suddenly arose too: "Ukraine is the whole of Europe!" They looked closely at the Magdeburg Law, and other gentry liberties, and did not want to live under the control of the Moscow governors. They rebelled, fought (with the help of "sworn friends" - the Crimean Tatars) the Moscow army near Konotop (still a wretched little boy, he even tried to celebrate some anniversary of this battle). So what? We got a wonderful period with the name "RUINA", they themselves study it in their textbooks. And what did the exit from the RUINS look like? Moscow did not interfere! Cities and villages, thrusting their tongues and screaming about "tse Europe" into their anal, crawled with this naked anal to Moscow and begged the tsar to take them under his royal hand. So, quoting the hero of "Prisoner of the Caucasus": "There is no need to hurry!" They will crawl by the piece and it will take a long time to consider whether or not to take the next crawling under your arm. Heads of jumpers ("If you don't jump - that ...") it is advisable to bring them on a separate dish ....
  29. iliya87
    iliya87 24 March 2016 11: 31
    +4
    "I agree with Tarakan on one thing: yes, we lost the battle for the brains of the Ukrainians. But a lost battle is not a defeat in the campaign. Moreover, by and large we did not come to this battle again." - and did the right thing. Enough already, discounts trade relations. Horseradish! Let them cook themselves in what they have done do not interfere, do not help. Back in 2008, the generals wanted to make a completely autonomous defense industry (so that everything would be collected here), why? How we need to help the fraternal people, then we will ruin Ukrainian enterprises and that's what we got in the end. Need more repetitions? No, enough. Until, through pain and suffering, what and how actually comes into the brain, there are no handouts and snags to save relations with Ukraine.
  30. teron
    teron 24 March 2016 11: 34
    +10
    There will be no "sobering" among the Ukrainians. Do not indulge yourself with illusions and empty hopes. None of them will crawl to us. I do not know what they (Ukrainians) there (in Ukraine) are poured into their heads, but this is a real hatred of Russians. Fanatical to the point of seizure. Such a strong, pure feeling. It did not appear just like that, out of nowhere, and did not arise yesterday. And it will probably not pass soon, if at all. Russia needs to treat Ukraine as a hostile state, the forces of which will constantly try to weaken us. After all, they themselves recognized us as aggressors and, accordingly, treat us.
    Well, yes, they are not our brothers. Not even distant relatives. They decided so. No one pulled his tongue.
  31. silver_roman
    silver_roman 24 March 2016 11: 55
    +7
    You should not rush to extremes: I am talking about the introduction of troops into Ukraine, and as the opposite end of the "stick" - to sit and wait until the Ukrainians sober up.
    Neither is correct.
    We need to work on propaganda, we need to break the media funded by the West. This is not done immediately.
    Nevertheless, Ukrainians think that in Europe and the States there is simply heaven and grace. That everyone is stupidly happy there, while Russia is a corrupt country with broken roads, a murdered economy, a zombie population, etc.
    The West has created a beautiful picture of himself. He created it for a very long time: this is the "holy forest" (hollywood), jeans, gum, freedom, cool cops, powerful cars, Vegas, etc.
    Here is their main weapon, not the F-22.
    And while we are so honest, we rely on truth and truth, while we wait for justice from God or something else, our enemies are simply and stupidly destroying us.
    You have to act tough, but at the same time smart and cunning. The paradigm "the truth is behind us" has already been broken. Truth is not needed by anyone and no one uses it anymore. If such words seem rude to someone, I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses!
  32. Boatsman_Palych
    Boatsman_Palych 24 March 2016 11: 58
    +3
    ----------
    And he was an active mercenary: at the time of our conversation he served in Turkey, and in China, and in Germany-France-Denmark-Switzerland-Italy, and in Africa, and in the Middle East ... He fought, shot ... being serving in наших Sun!

    What nonsense .. I sent you tales - my delusional DREAMS - this crest, you and your ears hung. He did not fight for the Bolsheviks of Mars? Did you yourself serve in the Soviet Armed Forces?
    Probably not, otherwise they would not have believed in this nonsense.
  33. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 24 March 2016 12: 10
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Volga Cossack
    Especially regarding the extradition of Chechen militants, UPAUN- it was pointless .........

    Read Khodokovsky. Recent interviews. There he is just talking about how we transferred Ukrainian fighters to his fighters. It is in Chechnya. And about his attitude to these militants.


    Laughed laughing Khodakovsky told him ... everything was much simpler, in accordance with the laws of the taiga ... and then "the law is the taiga, the bear is the prosecutor."
  34. koshmarik
    koshmarik 24 March 2016 12: 27
    +3
    Everything is much more complicated here. The idea of ​​independence in Ukraine has been hovering for centuries, having reached a high level of development as part of the USSR, the idea began to form in the minds of Ukrainians: we have a strong economy, a successful agriculture, our own healthcare and education system, developed science, we actually support the entire impoverished Russia. As a conclusion - why do we need this, forgetting, or deliberately ignoring the fact that such Ukraine became thanks to an alliance with Russia. Thus, Ukrainian radical nationalism fell into already prepared soil. Well, then everything went running, therefore, blaming Russia for missing Ukraine was not entirely true. Time must pass so that in the minds of the Ukrainian people the idea of ​​independence will be replaced by the idea of ​​the unity of two peoples. We will actively wait and I think we will wait.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 24 March 2016 19: 03
      0
      Quote: koshmarik
      Time will have to pass for the idea of ​​independence in the minds of the Ukrainian people to be replaced by the idea of ​​the unity of the two peoples.

      Most likely it will be so sometime. But time will pass, Ukraine will recover and everything will again go on a knurled one, that is, in a spiral. In my opinion, this topic should be closed forever. Finally.
  35. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 24 March 2016 12: 54
    +9
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    Support.
    Explain. Prove. Argument. And perhaps then at the exit we will get again at least a friendly Ukraine.

    You can explain and prove something if you are at least listened to and listened to your words. But judging by what is happening again in Donbass, Ukrainians (if not all, then quite a significant part of them, and certainly the ruling elite) have not listened to anyone or listened to anyone for a long time, and even more so to the voice of reason.
    And how I wanted Russia, Belarus and Ukraine to be truly sisters - they came from the same clan!


    What "sisters", dear, Russia is for these "sisters", not a sister, but a cash cow.
    Nothing changes.
  36. engineer
    engineer 24 March 2016 12: 56
    +3
    There will be no friendship with Svidomo and schiry. The top of the ruins from the time of Khmelnytsky considered themselves Poles and considered the entire east as cattle. Read senkevich: fire and sword. Yes, and Pushkin and Gogol. Our paths diverged a long time ago and we cannot come together. We were enemies and will continue to be with Svidomo and schiry. Ukraine died in 1991. And Ukrainians are Russians who lived in Ukraine. There are very few of them. Much more Svidomo and schiryh.
  37. aleksey980
    aleksey980 24 March 2016 13: 01
    +3
    Roman (I don’t know how about the priest), with all due respect, in my opinion, the tone of your article is somewhat reproachful, as if you were accusing him of blaming Russia. At the same time, I got the feeling that you are talking exactly about the same thing that the Okoloradsky Cockroach wrote about (unfortunately I don't know the name), just in a slightly different language, with some, so to speak, phase shift. His article, as I understood it, is a cry from the heart, part of what he sees around him and what is painful. Your answers, in essence, are not counterarguments and elements of the dispute, but actually detailed (supplemented) theses of the opponent.
    In general, the main thing, in my opinion, the opponent does not deserve reproach, read in your lines.
    Everything, of course, "PMSM" (it might seem).
  38. pts-m
    pts-m 24 March 2016 13: 13
    +1
    The author of the article agrees to lose for the brains of the Urinovites, but it is interesting that this author -> the author -> the author is not worried about the brains of Russians and not mere mortals, but those sitting in the offices of the State Duma and in the offices of the government. After all, they are closer and more accessible, than ruinovtsy.Well they will not brainwash them greasy Western liberalism and money-grubbing.
  39. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 24 March 2016 13: 24
    +4
    Quote: koshmarik
    Everything is much more complicated here. The idea of ​​independence in Ukraine has been hovering for centuries, having reached a high level of development as part of the USSR, the idea began to form in the minds of Ukrainians: we have a strong economy, a successful agriculture, our own healthcare and education system, developed science, we actually support the entire impoverished Russia. As a conclusion - why do we need this, forgetting, or deliberately ignoring the fact that such Ukraine became thanks to an alliance with Russia. Thus, Ukrainian radical nationalism fell into already prepared soil. Well, then everything went running, therefore, blaming Russia for missing Ukraine was not entirely true. Time must pass so that in the minds of the Ukrainian people the idea of ​​independence will be replaced by the idea of ​​the unity of two peoples. We will actively wait and I think we will wait.


    Well ... Someone minus Koshmarik, and he was absolutely right when he said that "Ukrainization" flourished most actively under the Soviets and this topic was very advanced in the Ukrainian SSR, which is only a "gift" for the anniversary of "reunification" in the form of Crimea. A corn freak, he took away a sickly territory from the RSFSR and presented it to Ukraine, along with millions of people. Fine?
    Or do you think that they, out of their "childish folly", suddenly, in 91, suddenly "went crazy"? No. The very systematic work of the Ukrainian Communist Party. They came out of one Union, shouted, galloped that they were all "independent and economically developed" out of themselves, ate it up, dumped it all, now gather it in another Union .... there is now to eat. They really said that there is no particular desire to grub for free, in principle Europeans may grunt Ukraine a little, but for this Ukrainians need to take certain interesting poses from the Eurokamasutra. bully
  40. old rocket man
    old rocket man 24 March 2016 13: 42
    +9
    Both my grandfathers "put" the Soviet power in the civil society in Ukraine, there both got married and brought their wives to St. Petersburg, so relatives in Kiev and Khmelnytsky oblast are above the roof. In the army, more than half of the officers and warrant officers from the same place, there was enough communication and, I will say you, ALWAYS, always and almost all Ukrainians openly gravitated towards the opposite of Russia, some more, some less, some as if joking.
    And they are not our brothers, they were not and will not be, read T.G. Shevchenko, the poem "Ho.hol"
  41. yuriy55
    yuriy55 24 March 2016 15: 28
    -3
    I agree with the Cockroach in one thing: yes, we lost the battle for the brains of the Ukrainians. But the lost battle is not a defeat in the campaign. Moreover, by and large we did not come to this battle again.



    Well, you have to take revenge. And start from scratch. Again. Naturally, taking into account past mistakes on both sides. To avoid older and younger brothers. And there were just relatives.
  42. vlavek
    vlavek 24 March 2016 15: 39
    -3
    The historical process cannot be stopped - Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, Moldova, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Ukraine have fallen from Russia. Who is next: Kazakhstan or Belarus?
    1. Yasha Gypsy
      Yasha Gypsy 24 March 2016 15: 55
      +4
      Some people hide their mind much more carefully than their stupidity.
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 24 March 2016 16: 09
      +4
      Quote: vlavek
      ... Who is next: Kazakhstan or Belarus?

      Alaska, California, Texas?
  43. Serge
    Serge 24 March 2016 15: 46
    0
    "lost the battle for brains" ... heh, could it have been won? Any collapse of any empire, federation, other entity ALWAYS in history gave birth to irreconcilable enemies from former friends. Reverse cases are rare. so to say that we lost the battle for the brains ..... and they are these brains? and is it necessary to win this battle? Let them drink this bloody cup to the bottom, undergo purification by fire, poverty, deprivation ... otherwise it is impossible. No battle will help. And since a terrible and at the same time miserable, wretched, stinking monster was born on the border of Russia, let the millstones of Moloch continue to grind the bodies of their souls, they themselves made their choice. They are satisfied that they have turned into cattle, into a bandit herd, they earnestly believe in their uniqueness while wallowing in shit. Well, to hell with them.

    Kipling.
    From The Jungle Book:

    "Banderlog has no Law. They have no language of their own, only stolen words (oh great surzhik), which they adopt from others when they eavesdrop, and spy on, and lie in wait, sitting in the trees.
    They live without a leader. They don't remember anything. They chat and brag as if they are a great nation (ancient ancient Ukrainians) and conceived great things in the jungle, but then a nut will fall, and they will already laugh and forget everything.
    There are a lot of them, they are evil, dirty, shameless and only want the Jungle People to pay attention to them. But he doesn't notice them, even when they throw nuts and throw dirt on everyone's head. If the banderlog fell into the hands of a sick wolf, or a wounded tiger, or a bear, they tortured the weak and for fun threw them at the animals with sticks and nuts (God, rest the souls of the dead Odesites), hoping that they would be noticed. They raise a howl, shouting meaningless songs ("who does not jump, toy ..."), call the Jungle People to their trees to fight, start quarrels over trifles among themselves and throw dead Banderlog anywhere, parading the entire Jungle People. They were constantly going to have their own leader, and their own laws and customs, but they never did, because their memory was short, no more than yesterday. In the end, they made up on the fact that they came up with a saying: "All the jungles will think tomorrow the way the Banderlog thinks today," and were very much comforted by this. We are great! We are free! We are worthy of admiration, worthy of admiration like no other people in the jungle! We all say so - that means it's true! ("Glory to the heroes") - shout Banderlog. "
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 24 March 2016 18: 12
      +1
      ALWAYS in history gave birth to irreconcilable enemies from former friends
      NOT ALWAYS. Czech Republic and Slovakia.
  44. yuriy55
    yuriy55 24 March 2016 16: 01
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    I agree with the Cockroach in one thing: yes, we lost the battle for the brains of the Ukrainians. But the lost battle is not a defeat in the campaign. Moreover, by and large we did not come to this battle again.


    Excuse me, you can't lose the battle for something that doesn't exist. Also, kindly clarify what our loss is? With whose light hand they are constantly trying to keep us on the ground? Where and with whom are you calling us because we have not come? And, if simply, stop these groaning about battles and just tackle your pressing economic problems, the solution of which will allow you to look at the surrounding neighbors from a dais (at least from a stool)? what

    Well, you have to take revenge. And start from scratch. Again. Naturally, taking into account past mistakes on both sides. To avoid older and younger brothers. And there were just relatives.


    A rematch is taken when the victory resolves all status problems ... What status do we need to confirm and in front of whom? Relatives? You know, there was a mother’s phrase in one story: "I'd rather not have a son than a son - a thief ..."
    From army humor:
    The foreman is our mother,
    Deputy father is dear,
    Why the hell is that kindred?
    I'd rather be an orphan!

    So, let's wait for the return of the prodigal sister ... If she wants to eat, she will return ... yes
  45. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 24 March 2016 16: 13
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    Quote: vlavek
    The historical process cannot be stopped - Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, Moldova, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Ukraine have fallen from Russia. Who is next: Kazakhstan or Belarus?


    You say "fell away" ... It was their sovetskie comrades who "fell away" from the Sovereigns of the Emperors, something did not fall away, but on the contrary, even arrived.
    And the Bolsheviks, like I.V. Bunshi with the Kemsky volost - "take it, the state will not become poorer."
    Ukrainians have now announced de-Sovietization, so I don't mind, for example. Only desovetization, it’s not only throwing off the Lenin, you gentlemen Ukrainians, land illegally obtained from the Bolsheviks return.

    This also concerns the Chukhons, whom the Sovereign Emperor Peter I purchased from the Swedes for 2 million Yefimiks, as in a store, along with the Chukhites themselves and the Chukhons. How about restitution? Do not want to return the property back ...
  46. aleks700
    aleks700 24 March 2016 17: 52
    +1
    But excuse me, until the beginning of the last century there was no such nation - Ukrainians. Did not have!!!
    Quiet Ukrainian night. Transparent sky ... and so on. The beginning of the 19 century. Is there something wrong. Someone was. A nation, a nation, or is it just a talk like the Volga region but something was what they are now clinging to.
    1. Yasha Gypsy
      Yasha Gypsy 24 March 2016 20: 56
      +4
      Here's an example, think for yourself, where are the Ukrainians:
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 25 March 2016 05: 45
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        Oh! So this is Odessa! Well, where do the Ukrainians? See Poltava, Zhytomyr, etc.
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  47. dnepropetrovsk
    dnepropetrovsk 24 March 2016 18: 05
    +5
    To the author MINUS !. Tarakanov thinks like a Ukrainian, and you are trying to prove to him that he is wrong from the point of view of the Russian. Do not find inconsistencies? We think differently!
    The old pilot. Not a brotherly people? With my "pedigree" I have a direct road to the "right sector". The streets in cities are now called my name. But I've been in Crimea for 4 months already. The FMS explains that I am not a very brother to me, but how much does it cost to prepare documents ... In general, not every Ukrainian can afford to move to Russia. But I'm not complaining, I understand that Russia does not owe me anything. And here I am .... In general, if my grandfather was asked whether the fraternal people in Russia were, the main thing was to dodge on time. He, who survived dispossession, occupation and the front, did not even have such a question. But we were forced to forget the precepts of our ancestors! Therefore, the Ukrainian army is at war with the Russian in the Donbass, even though the latter did not appear in the war. But the Ukrainians cannot explain this!
  48. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 24 March 2016 19: 56
    +4
    I fully support Oleg Monarchist and on my own behalf I will add that I am also a monarchist since childhood, I don’t know why, because all ancestors are peasants (at least since 17, later - I don't know because of the "revolutionary" mess). My sons knew about my beliefs from my conversations over a "glass of tea" with friends and colleagues, but I did not impose them on them and, nevertheless, they now also adhere to monarchist views (the elder did not immediately come to this - he had liberal views). And in the circle of friends of my sons, I see that their friends, almost all, are also inclined towards monarchical views, although they cannot really define this concept, even some cannot name the last king, but nevertheless ... FOR THE KING !!! Moreover, the guys, mostly non-drinkers and non-smokers, educated (in today's understanding), most with higher education! I somehow decided to find out from what such a tendency was revealed? All, as one, spoke in the sense that the king would be the master of the whole COUNTRY and will not steal from himself and will not allow his subjects to steal as much as possible - this is KANVA !!! That the tsar is a bonded man and his duty to take care not only of his family, but, first of all, of the state, of his Russian civilization (everyone is against modern European-American "values"). But, what is strange and amazing, at this stage, the communists, especially in connection with the Ukrov events, are not considered enemies, but allies in the restoration of statehood !!! Liberasts can't stand it !!! In this I see at least some positive from the so-called. Ukraine - it gave a positive impetus to the end of the confrontation between "white" and "red" for the sake of preserving and restoring the power of the Russian state !!! Donbass has shown this in practice too! And at the expense of the former misunderstanding of "ukrainy" ... 65% who hate Russia is not an absolute indicator! There are 5-10% of zealous Banderlog, and the steel ones just blather because of the deterioration of life without the usual freebies or opportunists. Bring the same 5-10% of pro-Russian imperials to power, uniting with the rest of Russia, and slightly improve living conditions (without the usual freebies) - the remaining 90-95% will be some other Russian and for the word "Ukrainian", at best, they will spit in the face! And over time, the Crimeans will rejoice even more from the unification with Russia !!! If only Russia remained Russia, and not "oliberast", contrary to expectations! all our multinational people! And he does not lose hope ...
  49. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 24 March 2016 20: 29
    +1
    Quote: Evgesh91
    Moreover, by and large, we did not come to this battle again - I agree 100%! and this is disgusting, they surrendered practically their zone of influence without a fight.

    And those who, all these 15 years, derbanized Russia and played along with the West in the split of Russia and did not need the inhabitants of Ukraine and the inhabitants of Russia! They still export "their" money to offshore companies and are not going to return it, but the liberal authorities persuade them, persuade them, but cannot persuade them in any way! So the Russian budget is melting, and the country is full of problems, but our liberal government can solve them only with high oil prices - then its economic impotence is not so visible. negative
  50. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 24 March 2016 21: 20
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    Russia was not at that level then, what is there to hide.

    I, of course, wildly apologize, but read the news: Former members of the ATO are working on the construction of the Kerch bridge
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    And at what level is Russia now?