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Exchanger for Savchenko, or With luggage - on the way out? ..

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On Tuesday, the final verdict was passed against a member of the nationalist illegal armed group "Aydar" Nadezhda Savchenko. The Donetsk court of the Rostov region found the pilot of the spotter guilty of the death of VGTRK journalists Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin, as well as illegally crossing the Russian border, and sentenced her to 22 years of imprisonment in a general regime colony (for Russian women, strict regime does not provided) and a fine of, rather, symbolic 30 thousand rubles. And on the basis of the fact that Savchenko’s stay in custody during the trial enters into a term of imprisonment, she has to serve her de jure sentence about 20,5 years. De jure.




In this “de jure” lies the main question: will the representative of the Ukrainian punitive battalion “from call to call” serve for the death of Russian journalists or will she exchange? In Kiev, they have already announced that they are issuing a proposal to exchange Savchenko for two Russian servicemen (Aleksandrov and Yerofeyev), who continue to be called personnel in Ukraine. Poroshenko’s ukroprezident has announced that he is ready for an exchange immediately after the Ukrainian court issues its final verdict against Russian citizens Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov.

Washington also joined the “process”, from where, through the mouth of US Vice President Joseph Biden, it was announced that Russia “is obliged to release Savchenko on the basis of the Minsk agreements”.

Oldie Joe quoted news agency TASS:
The Vice President (Biden) condemned the unfair accusation and sentence of the Ukrainian pilot and member of parliament Nadezhda Savchenko and pointed out the obligation of Russia to release her according to the Minsk agreements.


The vice-president of the state, and completely grabbing foreign nationals in third countries without any reason and often throwing these citizens into the secret prisons of the CIA without trial or investigation, declares “the injustice of the prosecution and sentence”? Joe, you outdid yourself! By the way, the word “Guantanamo” doesn’t cause you to rebel against injustice because of old Joe? Last name Booth (Victor Booth), Joe, also does not mean anything to you? .. And in general: did you, old man, read the Minsk agreements? If yes, then why are you not indignant, my dear, that your Kiev serfs have not yet deigned to fulfill these agreements, carrying out an exchange of all for all. Oh yeah, then YOUR slaves ... and therefore, how can Joe be outraged if they look into his mouth.

Well, God bless him, with this Joe. Now, actually, about the case. About what is the prospect that the court decision will be executed on all 100% - that is, that Savchenko will polish the plank beds in the colonies with the 20 mentioned over the years?

There are a million reasons to believe that the boy Nadya, who denoted the presence of female forms as a result of exhausting dry hunger strikes during the trial, will indeed be fallow. And even a million one basis ... For, as is known from the words of the president, the year we have is not 37 ... And Vladimir Vladimirovich himself is, of course, not Joseph Vissarionovich.

But even this is not the main thing (by the way, the USSR also resorted to the practice of exchanges, which not everyone understood and shared). The main thing is that about the possibility of issuing Savchenko to Ukraine, in due time, according to news agencies, Vladimir Putin spoke in Minsk. And if you really said, then the issue (or exchange) is likely to take place.

From a household point of view, the very possibility of issuing or exchanging Savchenko looks more than slippery. One of those arguments "for" (issue / exchange), which is often found in the media and the blogosphere: two former servicemen will be returned to Russia for Savchenko, and the relatives of Aleksandr Aleksandrov and Yevhen Yerofeyev, who are in Ukrainian prison, will be very happy.

No doubt - the soul for the fate of Alexander and Eugene hurts. However, those who speak of the utter goodness of the exchange of Savchenko for two Russians are trying to persistently ignore an important factor. This factor is this: can a person’s soul be rooting for the fate of Alexander and Yevgeny and at the same time not be rooting for the relatives of Anton and Igor who died in Luhansk oblast - those Russian journalists who came under fire from Ukrainian artillery, directed by N. Savchenko? It turns out that, blessed with some, can one carelessly spit into the souls of others? If we are talking about the moral and ethical side of the issue, then for some reason, many representatives of the ultra-liberal Panopticon, stubbornly stating the firm need to free (or exchange) Savchenko, do not stammer about the interests of the victim of the crimes of Savchenko, the families of Russian journalists Igor Korneluk and Anton Voloshin, the victims of Ukrainian lawlessness.

And then they got embroidered embroidery, spoiled in blogs, and that's it - hell, advocates of law. Ugh! It's disgusting ... Honestly.

But, no matter how disgusting, and witness the "triumphal exchange" (I want to be wrong), we still become. Yes - from the household point of view, this will be regarded by many as spittle, as an actual indulgence of any war criminal.

But this “medal” has a downside. This side of the household estimates is not one iota. But with political intrigue is even connected. The fact is that the raised to the rank of the Ukrainian national heroine Savchenko (if released) in the rank of this most nationwide heroine in Ukraine is unlikely to last long. If, from the point of view of the Ukrainian philistine, Savchenko is the ideal of behavior in the “dungeons of the Russian aggressors”, “the patriot of Ukraine to the core,” and in general “the face of Ukraine”, then, let's say, for specialists on the other side of the border, it’s already clear that places of imprisonment Savchenko may well with "certain baggage." And this “baggage” will not allow Savchenko to become his for the current Ukrainian elites. Already, in the Ukrainian blogosphere, there are remarks about whether Savchenko plays the Ukrainian public with his tridents on T-shirts, singing the hymn and other ostentatious Ukrainianness, does not want to cast off the fact that someone could even talk something to convince ...

Even if Savchenko, crossing the border after a hypothetical (at the moment) exchange, tries to forget about some conversations and the CO, some people in Kiev are unlikely to get rid of the ulterior motive that “the heroine of Ukraine” is a sent Cossack ... “AHressor” Nadiukh let go ... And how did he let go, why did he let go, and for what invisible reins does the “heroine” hold? - who knows how the press? As a result, the fact of the release of Nadi (again, if there is one), I suppose, in some time will cause new questions in Ukraine about the “Putin insidious plan”. They (and even at the level of the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs) are seriously convinced that Russia is involved even in the terrorist attacks in Brussels! But the “Kremlin baggage” will definitely be found for Savchenko, even if he is not there ... Shkiryak will find it. Gritsak will find ... After all, nobody has yet canceled the Ukrainian self-PR.

You can, of course, say that the Ukrainian "some people" worked with Aleksandrov and Yerofeyev, too, and therefore you need to have one - they’ll look after the likely exchange ... But then it’s even strange to compare. After all, Aleksandrov and Erofeev today are ordinary Russian citizens, and who is Savchenko? And Savchenko is, as the West itself, in the person of Biden, then of Mogherini, repeats to us every single day — a member of the Ukrainian parliament and a member of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. And if the deputy and member Gritsak and Shkiryak "find" "Kremlin baggage", then there is a new zrada in the format "Putin's man in the parliament and PACE !!!", - zrada, able to become the winner among all the zrad of the last two Ukrainian seasons .. .
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  1. USSR 1971
    USSR 1971 24 March 2016 06: 24
    +71
    Lord, take her to the best specials. Institutions of Mordovia and deal with the end. After a year, everyone will forget about her.
    On good, the entire management of the square must pass through the bench and the cage, and there are few to hang.
    And if this gopnitsa is released or exchanged, then there will be another fool in an embroidery to our embassies with eggs and brilliant green to run around and in the corridors happy to sing about "la la la" songs.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 March 2016 06: 47
      +31
      Lord, take her to the best specials. Institutions of Mordovia and deal with the end.


      I suppose she is already there ... smile
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 24 March 2016 07: 02
        +20
        Sooner, you rejoice, 10 days to review and appeal the verdict, the staff of the pre-trial detention center is ischo.
        1. jjj
          jjj 24 March 2016 10: 06
          +3
          The verdict of the court of first instance has not yet entered into legal force. Let's see whether they will appeal or not. God blessed that they will not
          1. comprochikos
            comprochikos 24 March 2016 11: 09
            +3
            Although Ukrainians see everywhere a dirty trick in the actions of the VVP, it is unlikely that they are smart enough to suspect such a cunning combination with a "Cossack". Yes, and it is unlikely, since there is no benefit.
            1. antoXa
              antoXa 24 March 2016 13: 43
              +2
              What cossack !? No one to any elite - this mentally retarded young lady will not accept anywhere ... the point is to send this ... She will still use the maximum as a poster and everyone will forget about her existence after another year.
              And of course, it is necessary to exchange a legal precedent for the condemnation of war crimes in Donbas, but there is no need to feed this villain, the fate of this girl has already been inscribed and she is unenviable, but to save our children is also necessary so that everyone knows that The Russians do not leave their own there, and just for the sake of this exchange it was possible to take just such a court decision on this lady, despite all the cries of dissatisfied about the illegality of such a decision, both inside the country and abroad.
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 24 March 2016 14: 50
                +34
                Personally, I am strongly against her exchange. To begin with, she behaved too arrogantly in court - this is not worth encouraging. Secondly, if it is exchanged, then any Natsik will consider that he can do anything with impunity in the Russian Federation and he will be exchanged. This is tantamount to agreements with terrorists. In my opinion, she should be lost in some forgotten colony. No press and human rights activists - just lost somewhere. Then the right-wingers and the Mejlis will receive a clear signal - no matter what scream the EU and the United States raise, but the Russian punishment will be unequivocal. And to whom to change? The two Kiev sitters who have spoken for a term already with us? And what will it give us in the sense of state security? They also catch citizens of the Russian Federation for exchange - how do they do it when they need to exchange their soldiers with the DPR. And the republics should deal with exchanges and it is necessary to change first of all not this couple of retired pear-soldiers, but the topaz from Kharkov about which everyone has long forgotten about it.
                So, in my opinion, Nadyusha should sit, and the exchanges must be caught by the security forces of the republics of Ukrainian officers or someone else. hi
                1. shibi
                  shibi 24 March 2016 19: 11
                  -7
                  You just need to bring her to the border in a police wagon, give a kick, and let him roll to your country 404.
                  There she will immediately turn into an unnecessary doll for no one.
                  And all the so-called "human rights activists" will shut up.

                  She is now considered a sufferer, and suddenly becomes a burden to PR managers.
              2. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 24 March 2016 15: 00
                +6
                Quote: antoXa
                No one in any elite - this mentally retarded young lady will not accept
                Where there is Bozena, Savchenka has nothing to do!
              3. AlexW
                AlexW 24 March 2016 16: 20
                +4
                Of course, this mare will not fall into any elite. But they promoted her well, and she already imagined herself as Jeanne de "Arcs of hohlyatsky bottling. And if in the coming months she suddenly appears in Ukraine, she will drink a lot of blood there from the same" elites ". Not only is she violent, but besides She will not trample in the Donbass, not in the ATO, but in Kiev, in power. And all especially violent such as Parasyuk, Chernovol and other marginal people from the right-left sectors, gangs and gangs will unite with her and become active. it will be very difficult for her, like Hera, deputy of the Rada, OSCE. For the Kiev kagal, it would be better for her to sit in the Russian zone and they would continue to mold this sadist to a great martyr. And even better if she suddenly "sticks her flippers together." in all churches and synagogues. So we don't need it here. The maximum possible exchange is profitable, it will get rid of ... Back to the serpentarium. In Kiev, it will bring much more benefit laughing We stock up on popcorn and sit back.
                1. technical
                  technical 24 March 2016 18: 54
                  +1
                  After the exchange, they can remove hers. And blame all the blame on Russia and Putin. What are our special services on the orders of Putin did. As in the cases of Nemtsov, the howl was raised.
                  1. AlexW
                    AlexW 24 March 2016 19: 45
                    0
                    Quote: tehnic
                    After the exchange, they can remove hers. And blame all the blame on Russia and Putin. What are our special services on the orders of Putin did. As in the cases of Nemtsov, the howl was raised.
                    This option is very likely. But, I suppose, ours will take this into account and will hand it over "in person, on receipt and in front of witnesses." stop
              4. SOB
                SOB 25 March 2016 07: 23
                0
                If you haven’t noticed, they’re all glad about it, so the elite is the elite. And the guys really need to be pulled out, have suffered.
          2. Blondy
            Blondy 24 March 2016 17: 44
            +3
            The Vice President (Biden) condemned the unfair accusation and sentence of the Ukrainian pilot and member of parliament Nadezhda Savchenko and pointed out the obligation of Russia to release her according to the Minsk agreements.

            Russia owes ... Verbal diarrhea is meaningless, but what impudence, and Biden does not even recognize her, Superman is the whole world at their feet and they command. True, recently a bummer has occurred more and more often (and how beautifully Castro broke off Superman Obama with a pat on the shoulder).
      2. sds87
        sds87 24 March 2016 11: 10
        +2
        That Siberia, that Alaska - two shores,
        Wedding, eh - a misted bubble.
        We have a lot of red matter
        We’ll send you all the shirts, lads.
        Oh, the crown of the Russian empire ...
        Catherine, you were wrong.


        Lyube's lyrics - "Don't play the fool, America."

        Now let him sew ribbons and shirts. This is not for civilians to direct art-shelling ...
        1. electrooleg
          electrooleg 24 March 2016 12: 46
          -5
          And what is a misted bubble? what

          It only came to mind:
          laughing
    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 24 March 2016 06: 52
      +25
      Well, I do not. Let she sew hated quilted jackets, let these quilted jackets she dreamed about for 20 years.
      1. gergi
        gergi 24 March 2016 08: 48
        -5
        It is dearer to me that Aleksandrov and Erofeev are free because these are OUR guys. Where will be the creature of Savchenko, to me in the tulumbas, at least in the European Parliament. Let the European Parliament be worse. Moreover, no one will remove a criminal record from her, she will still sit the whole term, after the banderlogs will be massively planted, not long remains.
        1. Boban
          Boban 24 March 2016 13: 02
          -10%
          judging by the minuses, the Russians do not care what happens to their fighters ...
          It has always been like this in Russia, fighters are not meat people,
          then the officers fighters bayonets
          1. gergi
            gergi 24 March 2016 14: 03
            -2
            Slam the mouth! Do not you, Svidomo muck, talk about Russia. Do not drown in your shit.
            1. gergi
              gergi 24 March 2016 19: 49
              +2
              This replica for the Svidomo p.dorka, which is minus. I specially put the slippers out of the door for you, you can come and give a shit about them. This will make me very sad. This will be revenge, so revenge! And then the cons, fu, too small for a banderlog.
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 24 March 2016 13: 53
          +2
          It is necessary to change equal on equal terms .. The Soviet intelligence officer Abel was exchanged for the American intelligence pilot Powers .. And in Ukraine there is a character who is the same disgusting with Russian citizenship to whom it was possible to change this oddity of the middle kind ..
          Quote: gergi
          It is dearer to me that Aleksandrov and Erofeev are free because these are OUR guys. Where will be the creature of Savchenko, to me in the tulumbas, at least in the European Parliament. Let the European Parliament be worse. Moreover, no one will remove a criminal record from her, she will still sit the whole term, after the banderlogs will be massively planted, not long remains.
      2. ruAlex
        ruAlex 24 March 2016 09: 37
        +14
        Let it pull, from bell to bell.
      3. Now we are free
        Now we are free 24 March 2016 09: 49
        +19
        Many people say that Nadia would be good when trying to escape ... In general, as in the movie "The Meeting Place Cannot Be Changed" -Levchenko (cross out) Savchenko, stop! ..
        WOW I DO NOT AGREE TO THIS!
        Thus, you will give Kuev and Washington exactly WHAT they expect from this whole story with cross-eyed shit ... named Nadia. What could be better than a Hero? -Dead hero! He will not screw up in an interview, he will not ask for his "Share" in money / kickbacks: he will simply be a "silent martyr" whom any Lyashko, Gamanets and Yaytsenyukh can hang on his chest saying that NADYA is our everything! (There are fewer and fewer other motivators in the country of victorious insanity and fascism). The "Viper Girl" must be kept alive, and her "Hunger Strikes" must be supported by means of rectal strengthening enemas, the main thing is that this piece of g ... does not remain on our body "Dead Weight".
        About the exchange ...
        Yes, my teeth also grind from the fact that Anton and Igor can no longer be returned, and their killer is now extolled into the rank of martyrs, and it would be fine if the "Maidanut" but also domestic "oppositionists" slipped to the level of collaborationist prostitution, we remember Andrei Stenin, who was shot in emphasis "Heroi APU" and then blown up in the car by a grenade, (Antosha Gerashchenko - "Pig" your statements that Andrey is alive and is in the SBU dungeons, nobody forgot ...) About the residents of the long-suffering Donbass who died because of "Gadi "and her accomplices, I generally keep quiet ... Anyone who does not exchange their conscience and the Brain understands what" Girl-Gadya "is, the question is, what to do with her already convicted?
        I ask everyone to note that now the whole intensity of Russophobia fits in one phrase - # LET'S RELEASE !! 1 ... And now let's reject emotions, yes, it is an emotional reaction (as before in connection with the emergence of outright fascism in Ukraine), and not so much in the territory of the former Ukraine as in the West. As they say again, do you understand whether they want to catch the "Russian Bear" on his faith in justice. Maybe many will not like it (as in all honesty, and me) BUT "Girl-Gadya" will most likely be exchanged and how minimum on Alexander and Eugene, why the minimum? Because the image need for Savchenko’s return for Ukraine and the West (who followed this attractive HashTag - #LET'S RELEASED! Like rats for a magic pipe) is much more than the same profitability in getting Alexander and Eugene back to us (I repeat, forget about emotions because politics is not a place for emotions).
        1. Now we are free
          Now we are free 24 March 2016 09: 51
          +5
          1) For one "Gadu," we get back two of our guys.
          2) In addition to returning Alexander and Yevgeny, there is a great opportunity (thanks to PR “Gadi”) to demand from Kuev and even Washington to include not only our two guys in the list ...
          3) As it is correctly indicated in the article, there is an opportunity for the whole world (and I hope it will be used) to trick the United States in the face on such issues as Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib / Yaroshenko and Bout. (Nobody pulled pedophile Biden by the tongue laughing ).
          4) To keep with us this g ... by the name of "Gadya" daily fastening with her name all the liquid diarrhea that is now in Ukraine in a strong poop is stupid and shortsighted.
          5) The exchange of "Girl-Gadi" with her return to her native anal sex LIVE, oddly enough, very into the hands of Russia, given its marginality and passionarity for "Hamanz-Waltzman" will come "Merry Times" and most likely "Girl-Gadi" in the form ram against "Parasha" is used by "Yulka-Kos" (which has already staked out the first place in her party). In general, LIVING ON THE UKRAINE, it is not needed in the first place "Waltzman-Hamanz" and this is a fact.

          In contrast to the above, we can say -Thief (cross out) the killer / fascist must be in prison! and "The lives of our dead guys are not subject to bargaining" I agree with this a thousand times, BUT modern geopolitics is not a tournament of Noble Knights and not philosophical disputes, this is a dirty, dangerous business (where I repeat, how many times there is no place for MOTIONS)
          There is a choice, what to choose the correctness / righteousness or dry logic and rationality?
          I think that Putin, with his ability to analyze and prevent the actions of geopolitical opponents (as shown recently), will choose the latter.
          1. Boban
            Boban 24 March 2016 13: 04
            -11%
            the longer the Russian Federation is not interested in the fate of GRUSHNIKOV, the more clearly it says the servicemen that the attitude towards them has not changed in Russia ... the state in the first place is the person in second ....
            1. Now we are free
              Now we are free 24 March 2016 14: 15
              +6
              Quote: Boban
              the longer the Russian Federation is not interested in the fate of GRUSHNIKOV, the more clearly it says the servicemen that the attitude towards them has not changed in Russia ... the state in the first place is the person in second ....

              Well, you know better with yours: Valtsman-Hamanets, Yaytsenyukh, Lyashko-point and the "Great Dumb" -Head of Kiev ...

              P.S. It would be better if at least one ethnic Ukrainian was found in their government ... laughing laughing laughing
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    3. Finches
      Finches 24 March 2016 06: 58
      +18
      The thing is that no one needs this bitch in Ukraine - there is no benefit from her, one year and a problem! And it is necessary precisely in the conclusion and in Russia - on it one can make three pre-election races and take money in the West ... Of course, it is not profitable for us, but it would be better if they put her on an awl at the stage of a prisoner! "for a couple of weeks and even would have forgotten her like a bad dream!
      1. domokl
        domokl 24 March 2016 07: 13
        +25
        Something wrong. Why does our specialists need this inadequate miracle? Exchange today is terrible precisely for Ukrainians. More precisely, those who are sitting in Kiev.
        The image of the heroine of Ukraine will allow Savchenko to occupy a rather prominent place in the pantheon of sufferers. And given that she is alive, take a place in the political elite. Not in vain, after all, there has already been talk of posts for the heroine.
        Savchenko today is a mine for Ukraine. Mina for the entire power system created there. And no one will change it. There will be official offers with obviously not feasible conditions. Savchenko in Russian dungeons for Ukraine is more important than Savchenko at home.
        But in general, the author is right in one thing. Let us go - we will give indulgence to ukrovokam to continue punitive operations and impunity. Do not let go, the heroine plays on the unity of the Ukrainian people. The dilemma to be solved. Personally, I still do not see a way out. Wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge ...
        1. 31rus2
          31rus2 24 March 2016 07: 19
          +10
          Write nonsense, this scum is not needed by anyone, but for the crime committed against civilians, including Russians, should and will be punished, everything else is speculation
        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 24 March 2016 07: 47
          +9
          Quote: domokl
          Personally, I still do not see a way out. Wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge ...

          Then act according to the LAW. And by law, she must sit.
        3. Pig
          Pig 24 March 2016 08: 04
          +6
          Wow! "Let's not let go, the heroine is playing on the unity of the Ukrainian people" why would it suddenly? it is, on the contrary, as an eternal reminder to all Bandera of the inevitability of punishment! They are so furious about this - so they pulled up the Biden and the Mogherin - because they see themselves in her place ...
          and if you change the foolishness then it’s not on Yerofeyev-Aleksandrov but on all activists and political prisoners on the lists ... you can enter But and Yaroshenko on the lists ... but what? let them change their precious nadia;)
        4. OlegV
          OlegV 24 March 2016 08: 06
          +29
          Quote: domokl
          The image of the heroine of Ukraine will allow Savchenko to occupy a prominent place in the pantheon of sufferers ......
          1. Kenneth
            Kenneth 24 March 2016 08: 27
            +5
            Zaveruha fell for outright banditry with Ato not related
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 25 March 2016 00: 15
              +2
              Quote: Kenneth
              Zaveruha fell for outright banditry with Ato not related


              And this will get if exchanged. Savchenko (IT) - an uncontrollable impulsive psychopath with a lot of energy and an absolute lack of a hint of conscience. And she knows how and wants to kill.

              But to exchange - not to exchange, comrades, it is not for us to decide. Serious uncles at the top will decide. soldier
        5. Al1977
          Al1977 24 March 2016 15: 26
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          I don’t see a way out yet. Wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge ...

          It is needed for the next games of the GDP. Yesterday "unexpectedly" Yaroshenko's mother said. that Savchenko should be exchanged for her son. At the same time, Kerry confirmed that there would be a conversation about Savchenko. "Coincidence - I don't think so." Putin is not interested in bargaining with Poroshenko, let him bargain with Zakharchenko, Putin will personally talk with the Americans. What will it be exchanged for? Fuck knows, but she's part of the game ... Although Khodorkovsky served the top ten, few believed the same. And about our prisoners in Ukraine .. Our people immediately said. that this is not an active army, that we do not recognize them as soldiers, and even our wives have confirmed this. Therefore, I don’t think that Putin would have slept and saw how to get our people out, cynically, but “trolling” Obama is probably more important for Putin than these two guys.
        6. Orionvit
          Orionvit 24 March 2016 22: 58
          0
          Yes wait. Indeed, in a year no one will remember her. Then you can and when you try.
      2. Apsit
        Apsit 24 March 2016 10: 16
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        it would be better if she was imprisoned on the awl at the stage!

        This is not a good option for Russia. Howl (remember) will be long.
        Quote: Finches
        in Ukraine nobody needs anyone - there’s no benefit from it, one thing ... and problems!

        It’s for sure, the current government needs it in jail and when they need to pull this fact out.
        Quote: USSR 1971
        Lord, take her to the best specials. Institutions of Mordovia and deal with the end.

        But I do not agree with this. Why citizens of Russia should pay for her stay on their territory. She is a citizen of Ukraine, let her be kept there. Only not in Kiev mansions, but where is the thread near Lugansk or Donetsk. There she will be created unforgettable conditions and re-educated without any doubt. And maybe this alignment will push Kiev to fulfill the condition of everyone at all.
    4. Lukich
      Lukich 24 March 2016 10: 40
      +5
      Quote: USSR 1971
      And if you let go of this exchange or swap this one more fool in an embroidered shirt will be

      but how her mother is unhappy with the allotment of land.
      1. Alex20042004
        Alex20042004 24 March 2016 19: 30
        +2
        Ukrozopaya mother Nadi asks for plots (plot of land)!
        In, dill survived !!! laughing
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 24 March 2016 11: 45
      +4
      "The final verdict has been delivered to Savchenko"
      And what are also preliminary sentences? Well, there isn’t even a term like that in Russian criminal law. The same thing flows from all the media holes about certain court verdicts up to administrative cases. The jury only passes a verdict and only in criminal cases of certain categories listed in the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, but before a court verdict. The Savchenko case was not considered by a jury.
      Talking about the exchange of convicts is generally outside the jurisdiction. This is already politics. If we can talk about the exchange of prisoners of war, then there was no war with Ukraine. And this cob quit the Armed Forces before becoming a punisher in the Donbass and a killer of Russian journalists.
      Now about pardon. Pardoning in Russia is the exclusive competence of the President. It can be like when making a request from the parties, such as: the convict, his representatives or victims, provided that the defendant is admitted guilty in writing after the verdict has entered into legal force and a particular case is considered by higher courts at the request of the parties. But this is not necessarily sufficient for clemency. These are just conditions for the consideration of the request. The President can pardon without asking for such. Yes, something in our history has not yet been observed. A pardon is not a banal general amnesty, but an act of the highest will of the head of state in relation to a specific person, and to "grind" such an opportunity on the square in relation to Savchenko is not even fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
      However, there is a legal loophole based on individual states' legal aid agreements. This is the transfer of the convicted person under the jurisdiction of another state for further serving the sentence upon his official request from the interested party (state). Booth is not even a murderer and was sentenced in the United States to half a century in prison. But the United States, insisting on the release of the murderer of two Russian citizens, refused Russia. And now they want to "bend" (humiliate) Putin. Well, let's see how they do it.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 24 March 2016 12: 24
      +1
      It is impossible to take Savchenko to Mordovia until the verdict has entered into legal force. E-mine, not only the army of Russian lawyers is aware of this, but also all those who were tried, and we have millions of them. And until the decision on the stage, she will be kept in the same pre-trial detention center.laughing
    7. Ros 56
      Ros 56 24 March 2016 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: USSR 1971
      specialist. institutions of Mordovia


      Better to us in "Black Dolphin" will be more whole.
      1. genisis
        genisis 24 March 2016 13: 06
        +7
        And why did they abolish punitive psychiatry?
      2. Docent1984
        Docent1984 24 March 2016 13: 15
        +2
        There is no strict or special regime for women in our country. And our doctors, oddly enough, found secondary sexual characteristics in this creature. So, alas, neither "dolphin", nor "swan", nor Novocherkassk prison will wait)))
    8. Appraiser
      Appraiser 24 March 2016 13: 00
      +2
      She should be sent to sunny Magadan, there she will have comfortable conditions of almost 5 stars. hi
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    10. Vladimir71
      Vladimir71 24 March 2016 17: 42
      +3
      And why not offer the geyrope to exchange the bitch for Radovan Korajic, this heroic trash will howl so that we just have to stock up on popcorn and it will be very exciting
    11. xenod55
      xenod55 24 March 2016 18: 50
      0
      The question is, how will ordinary Russian women, who are serving time for their non-heroic deeds, “accept” this “heroine of dill” in the zone. Will they "add" her health with their "friendly" attitude. Indeed, since ancient times, traitors and rapists are not liked in Russia. And this "ATO heroine" can not be called otherwise than a traitor of the Russian people. After all, although she was born on the outskirts, she was still Russian, although she was a borderland, and therefore a traitor, once fought against her own people. Therefore, the exchange may not last.
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 24 March 2016 06: 24
    +15
    Let Nadia be exchanged for Yaroshenko with Booth.
    1. Bacha
      Bacha 24 March 2016 06: 54
      +8
      With both hands behind and now we'll see how Biden will sing.
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 24 March 2016 08: 29
      -11%
      We found two sufferers for Russia; interestingly, Booth at least finds it on the map
      1. hrapon
        hrapon 24 March 2016 08: 46
        +4
        Quote: Kenneth
        We found two sufferers for Russia; interestingly, Booth at least finds it on the map


        And you ask his wife who is waiting for him in Russia.
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 24 March 2016 12: 26
          0
          And you look at his battle path. Previously, they were called an international adventurer. Somewhere at the bottom of the suitcase is a Russian passport, and of course my wife. Remember now where the homeland.
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    3. hrapon
      hrapon 24 March 2016 08: 52
      +10
      Quote: Igor39
      Let Nadia be exchanged for Yaroshenko with Booth.


      Exchange formula: 1 to 4.

      For one slut wrapped in a rag - four innocent: Buta, Yaroshenko, Erofeev and Alexandrov. They didn’t kill anyone.

      PS Moreover, the exchange of Bout and Yaroshenko for a whore in a vest is legally not possible, because exchange can only be two-way. The release of Bout and Yaroshenko is an indispensable bonus for starting exchange negotiations. Something like this. Yes, Mr. Kerry ...
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 24 March 2016 16: 20
        -5
        Quote: hrapon
        Buta, Yaroshenko, Erofeev and Alexandrov. They didn’t kill anyone.

        Erofeev and Aleksandrov fought and killed, they themselves told. But what difference does it make to Putin from this benefit? But bargaining with the Americans is a completely different matter ... we have the whole country living in the game OUR against Americans. Then Putin will be interested, they will talk to him.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 24 March 2016 17: 49
          +3
          Dude under the name, AI19977? If you consider Erofeev and Aleksandorov to be killers, then report this to the prosecutor's office of the outskirts. For in the verdict in their case they are not accused of murder at all. Turn on at least the second finger on your hand, otherwise you won’t understand anything. laughing
          1. Al1977
            Al1977 25 March 2016 09: 29
            -1
            Quote: siberalt
            Dude under the name, AI19977? If you consider Erofeev and Aleksandorov to be killers, then report this to the prosecutor's office of the outskirts. For in the verdict in their case they are not accused of murder at all. Turn on at least the second finger on your hand, otherwise you won’t understand anything. laughing

            I am not a prosecutor, and I do not blame anyone, I say what they themselves said on camera. Was Google banned or is there enough brain to troll? laughing
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 24 March 2016 06: 33
    +12
    She needs to arrange an escape .. and there, when trying to escape ... here the bullet flew by and yeah ..
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 24 March 2016 06: 40
      +13
      parusnik (2) RU Today, 06:33 AM New
      She needs to arrange an escape .. and there, when trying to escape ..
      climbed over the fence and sat on the stake! fellow
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 24 March 2016 06: 58
        +3
        climbed over the fence and sat on the stake!


        smile Well, do not be so sadistic ... a hedgehog is better to put .... so tolerant.
        1. oldzek
          oldzek 24 March 2016 17: 38
          +3
          sorry for the hedgehog .. no need
    2. Kenneth
      Kenneth 24 March 2016 08: 29
      -2
      Childhood flooded?
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 24 March 2016 17: 52
      +2
      If it’s an escape, then make sure that she leaves for Ukraine. There, it’s not enough for the authorities laughing
  4. Amurets
    Amurets 24 March 2016 06: 34
    +10
    If instead of Savchenko, her defenders will sit in Russian camps: Magerini, Biden, Russian human rights defenders for a term of 22 years each and will go to Russian prisons, without the right to appeal, rehabilitation, parole, pardon, that is, from phone to phone, I agree. But here only her defenders will not agree to sit in her place.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 March 2016 06: 38
    +8
    Vice President (Biden) condemned the unjust accusation and sentence of Ukrainian pilot and MP Nadezhda Savchenko and pointed to Russia's obligation to release

    And who is it biden? Let in the lesson he commands whom to bend, the dog is meridic! laughing
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 24 March 2016 08: 32
      +2
      Biden US Vice President and send it is a special pleasure
      1. gergi
        gergi 24 March 2016 09: 23
        +6
        Vice president in usa, this is the same nothing. Empty place while the president is alive. So with Biden is the same nuisance. Only in the open he feels himself a man and a master. Shouts at the lads-servants, mud.zvon.
    2. udincev
      udincev 24 March 2016 08: 54
      +6
      Joe became bad ... especially on his head ...
      Vice President (Biden) Condemned Unjust Accusation and Sentence Ukrainian pilot and MP Nadezhda Savchenko and indicated obligation Russia to release her according to the Minsk agreements
      Regarding "condemned" and "indicated" - here only the grave will correct - according to the Russian proverb (hunchback - grave)
      About the honest performance of something - whoever sang, but not the United States puppeteers-maidanostroiteli! In general, what does Minsk-2 have to do with the situation with Savchenko?

      When I hear about Savchenko "pilot" - Vladimir Vysotsky flashes with an automatic machine:
      "... she's a spotter,
      and a black eye and different legs ... "
      On which side is the pilot? Judging by the behavior in court - a worthy deputy of UkrRada and EuroPas - there are no objections.
      But the pilot ... This is for Biden!
  6. poma
    poma 24 March 2016 06: 38
    +1
    Poke place on the bunk.
  7. Arkan
    Arkan 24 March 2016 06: 39
    +14
    This world must sit and rewind its term to the end. No exchanges.
  8. EvgNik
    EvgNik 24 March 2016 06: 41
    +12
    This “de jure” is the main question: will the representative of the Ukrainian punitive battalion “from call to call”, guilty of the death of Russian journalists, or go on an exchange?

    Judging by the fact that, surrounded by the president, everyone is blamed on the fact that he should consider the issue of exchange - that is exactly what will happen. Putin will decide.
    Question: how will he solve this situation?
    Savchenko tried for criminal the crime.
    Exchange for people accused of military crime automatically equates Savchenko with those.
    It turns out that we admit that she was convicted as a war criminal.
    Does Russia need this?
    1. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 24 March 2016 08: 58
      +5
      Agree with you. Savchenko was charged, and later convicted of crimes against human life and health, that is, Savchenko is not a special subject of war crimes, but an ordinary criminal offender. And to exchange criminal Savchenko for special subjects of war crimes, this means equating our citizens with criminals. Of course, this is wrong.
      1. igor67
        igor67 24 March 2016 09: 54
        -4
        I’m certainly not a lawyer, but if you think she is a criminal, then based on your logic, those two aren’t. The military personnel are the same in my opinion fall under the same article, it turns out that they are mercenaries.
        Quote: Dalmatia
        Agree with you. Savchenko was charged, and later convicted of crimes against human life and health, that is, Savchenko is not a special subject of war crimes, but an ordinary criminal offender. And to exchange criminal Savchenko for special subjects of war crimes, this means equating our citizens with criminals. Of course, this is wrong.
        1. kush62
          kush62 24 March 2016 16: 51
          +1
          igor67
          the same in my opinion fall under the same article, it turns out that they are mercenaries.

          A mercenary is going to kill for money. A volunteer for the idea. I think the promised volunteers cannot be. For money, another thing.
    2. igor67
      igor67 24 March 2016 09: 28
      -2
      Quote: EvgNik
      This “de jure” is the main question: will the representative of the Ukrainian punitive battalion “from call to call”, guilty of the death of Russian journalists, or go on an exchange?

      Judging by the fact that, surrounded by the president, everyone is blamed on the fact that he should consider the issue of exchange - that is exactly what will happen. Putin will decide.
      Question: how will he solve this situation?
      Savchenko tried for criminal the crime.
      Exchange for people accused of military crime automatically equates Savchenko with those.
      It turns out that we admit that she was convicted as a war criminal.
      Does Russia need this?

      And why did everyone forget about Major Starikov convicted in Ukraine, they gave him 14 years old, he doesn’t need anyone
      1. AlexW
        AlexW 25 March 2016 05: 33
        0
        "And why did everyone forget about Major Starikov, who was convicted in Ukraine, they gave him 14 years old, he doesn’t need anyone."Starikov has long been changed without unnecessary noise.
  9. pticas
    pticas 24 March 2016 06: 45
    +25
    Kiev squeals that the LPR DPR is Ukraine!
    So give it to Ukraine! In the LPR and the DPR, both the militia and the relatives of those who died that day on the highway a lot of questions have accumulated for this curvy.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 07: 25
      +6
      That's for sure. Give her to Donbass. Let her be tried there for a crime. One question only on her. what about decided to make such hemorrhoids in Russia. What for . They slammed quietly and all. this court was needed. A bunch of reporters from Ukraine. Why all this hype, we needed it.
    2. Boban
      Boban 24 March 2016 13: 09
      0
      Well then, she is a prisoner of war, then they will tear the Lnrovites to the veins ...
      nobody canceled the law of action-opposition
  10. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 24 March 2016 06: 46
    +3
    Of course I am against the exchange, of course I shout "Let it rot" in a philistine way, of course I will take this issue as a slap in the face, of course. But, immediately I begin to think, I understand that a lot of things have come together around this person. And I (we) do not know even a tenth of the circumstances. What's going on there? And who plays what (spy) games?
    It turns out that this is not my mind. I can only add from myself: I hope they know what they are doing.
    But I don’t want to guess, suppose.
    1. Press 314
      Press 314 24 March 2016 07: 12
      +12
      And you don’t think that we are being taught to the thought: We must exchange !!! Personally, I will take it not as a slap in the face, but as a spit on the soul, a spit on justice. I have recently corresponded with a Kiev resident - they are sure that the Americans will "kick" and give Nadia back. I don’t want him to be right.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 24 March 2016 07: 36
        0
        And now, at this stage, I’m not sure of anything. It seems, don’t seem ..? In different ways ... But again, in nothing, not sure.
        Maybe because I, not a Kievite? recourse laughing
        Everything is complicated there ... Very difficult, this is the only thing that I understand now.
      2. baudolino
        baudolino 24 March 2016 07: 53
        +1
        Why not exchange? People are imprisoned for "separatism" for one and a half to two years. Within the framework of the Minsk agreements, this topic can be used to arrange a REAL exchange of all for all.
        This "heroine" will not last long even on the outskirts. And thousands of innocents can be pulled out.
        1. Ural resident
          Ural resident 24 March 2016 08: 56
          +5
          Everyone who has committed a crime against Russian citizens must understand that he will have to sit for the whole term and nothing will save him from this. Only then can they think whether it is worth it or not.
          But it is necessary to release by other methods. If you exchange now, there will be an occasion to capture our other citizens with the aim of exchanging later on for some scumbags.
          As a result, it will turn out - beat, kill the Russians - all the same, then you will rest at home, well, they will catch, well, they will condemn and it’s okay - they will return and you can start again.
      3. meriem1
        meriem1 24 March 2016 07: 59
        +10
        Quote: Pers314
        And you don’t think that we are being taught to the thought: We must exchange !!! Personally, I will take it not as a slap in the face, but as a spit on the soul, a spit on justice. I have recently corresponded with a Kiev resident - they are sure that the Americans will "kick" and give Nadia back. I don’t want him to be right.


        Extradition Savchenko- 100% face loss for Russia. It is not visible only to the blind! If this happens ... then all this will be understood as a weakness and a command to put pressure on Us on all fronts !!! This is only expected. If sold here, you can sell for any other reason. The only question is time. A screech will begin about the fact that Putin has not such iron eggs with all the ensuing consequences ... And all that with such difficulty is achieved will fly into the trash.
        1. Boban
          Boban 24 March 2016 13: 24
          -3
          it’s not interest in the fate of Aleksandrov and Yerofeyev that’s really an antipathy to such a state where the fate of citizens is not interesting to anyone
      4. Egoza
        Egoza 24 March 2016 08: 08
        +7
        Quote: Pers314
        they are sure there that the Americans will "bump" and give up Nadia. I don’t want him to be right.

        And in Kiev, appetites are growing ...
        First, "exchange Nadya", then "release without any conditions", at the end of the day - "release Savchenko and all illegally detained Ukrainian citizens" And how? Will the RF comply? indeed, if they let go, they would bend over to the United States. Strong - does not bend! And here ... well, they will say, so what? New sanctions on Savchenko's list? So in any case, the sanctions will not be lifted.
  11. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 24 March 2016 07: 03
    +2
    Exchange only with the USA and Ukraine, in addition to all our people ...
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 24 March 2016 07: 14
      +3
      Yes, and make a precedent, tomorrow they will take others out of the regime and that you will change the same, change only to Petruha (joke)
  12. 31rus2
    31rus2 24 March 2016 07: 12
    +6
    Dear, in general, what is the problem? There is a court decision, yes there is, what other conversations? To sit and die like Oaduev from heart failure, everything. What exchanges, which president? This is a war criminal and should get what he deserves. So you can "SS" times of war for someone to exchange, so is it enough to show and write about this scum at all, to carry out the sentence
  13. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 24 March 2016 07: 21
    +11
    And Savchenko is how the West himself repeats to us every single day in the person of either Biden or Mogherini - a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament and a member of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.

    Yeah, but if Russia does not agree to the exchange of Savchenko and the transfer of the criminal to the Ukrainian side (at least in exchange for Russian military personnel), then it will most likely be elected to the American Congress as a deputy. And the dilemma with Savchenko (to return - not to return, to exchange - not to exchange) is easily solved in the old way - "Have you had any industrial accidents? - Will they!"
    I have the honor.
  14. Bryanskiy_Volk
    Bryanskiy_Volk 24 March 2016 07: 26
    +4
    "under Russian law, there is no strict regime for women" And who is the woman here? The essence of women is to give birth to people, not to kill. And gender characteristics, in this case, are very vague. what
  15. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 24 March 2016 07: 29
    +6
    Not for that, she was openly tried with journalists, television reports and provocateurs to be released now.
    This will immediately drop all our justice and without that "famous" for inadequate sentences.
    No, she will now sit for a long, very long time. And it is right.
    Do not forget that such a phenomenon as Savchenko is by no means single and is massive.
    We will consider it the first sign of a huge flock of Bandera waiting for acquaintance with the harsh northern edge.
  16. surrozh
    surrozh 24 March 2016 07: 30
    +2
    Until the "international community" understands that she is the murderer of two journalists, she must be in prison. And they will treat our press differently.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 March 2016 07: 32
    +1
    I got what I deserved, not even enough. What will happen to her next, alas, is not in our competence. Correctly, they wrote above that we do not know the entire political background of subsequent actions in relation to her. If it is returned (exchanged), then it will be a clear spit in the souls of Russians, but the West and Ukraine will bring a feeling of "another victory" over Moscow. And it doesn't matter what will happen next and how they will treat her in Ukraine - the main thing is that they have achieved their goal.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 24 March 2016 08: 44
      -4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      What will happen to her next, alas, is not in our competence.

      you would think that the investigation and the administration of justice were in your competence laughing
      Quote: rotmistr60
      it will be a clear spit in the souls of Russians

      Firstly, do not sign for all Russians.
      And secondly, this will not be a spit. Everyone understands that this fray after the sentencing has become an ordinary exchange material, and in which case (and the xoxls are already trying to make room for the case) it will be sent away without much red tape.
      Thirdly, I think that everyone is more worried about the possible annoying PR-company of the xoxes, which they will deploy if this gopny returns home. I must admit that it will also be unpleasant for me to see how xoxles will relish their "peremoga", but what is most disgusting is that internal putinophobes and xoxlophiles will also be attached to it. And God forbid any resonant event to happen - the xoxlyatsky cry "It's all Putin! He wants to ruin our holiday !!!" Recent events in Belgium and their linking with Putin are proof of this.
  18. chikenous59
    chikenous59 24 March 2016 07: 35
    -6
    It’s in vain to raise a howl here, all the same, it will be quietly exchanged for ours, that even the media will not say anything about this so that hamsters do not spit. Maybe they will openly announce it.
    1. igor67
      igor67 24 March 2016 09: 50
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      It’s in vain to raise a howl here, all the same, it will be quietly exchanged for ours, that even the media will not say anything about this so that hamsters do not spit. Maybe they will openly announce it.

      Why don’t you believe your media, VO is also a part of it,
    2. kush62
      kush62 24 March 2016 16: 55
      +1
      chikenous59 (3) Today, 07: 35 New
      quote (ingenious):
      anyway, it will be quietly exchanged for ours. Maybe they will openly announce it.
      Something there turns black turns white.
  19. Air defense Valga
    Air defense Valga 24 March 2016 07: 42
    +4
    If they decide to change, then - "Given the voluntary cooperation with the investigation and the transfer of important data about the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the bodies of inquiry, exchange for .... With such a wording, it will not last more than a day in Ukraine ... But my opinion cannot be changed, nothing.
  20. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 24 March 2016 08: 07
    +1
    In no case should you let go. She committed a crime and must be punished for it. But what happens? We have been judging her for 2 years, collecting evidence of her crimes, and after passing the verdict she goes to Ukraine and will sunbathe there .... And this is without taking into account the political component, because if we exchange it it will be clear to the whole world that we will bend under requirements of the USA, EU and Ukraine. And how then to look into the eyes of the relatives of Anton and Igor? So they will at least know that the killer has been punished, otherwise I don’t even want to think.
  21. asiat_61
    asiat_61 24 March 2016 08: 08
    0
    You are bloodthirsty. This nonsense must be exchanged without fail. It is now foxed by Ukraine, in the fight against the Aggressor. God forbid she dies in bloody dungeons, will not be dismissed. The sentence will enter into force and exchange. In Ukraine, no one needs it, especially alive . Better, that would have died heroically in the basement of the KGB, under torture, hunger.
    1. Press 314
      Press 314 24 March 2016 08: 53
      +4
      Interestingly, what do you say - if right away (or in a month) Nadenka rushes to ATO ???? And again will take pictures with the corpses of "separatists" ???? Even if "separatists" are from 3 to 7 years old ???
      Damn, tired of "GOOD at someone else's expense."
  22. USA
    USA 24 March 2016 08: 23
    +1
    Let him sit for half a year or a year, the horns in the zone will break out, this is not a pre-trial detention center with daily deliveries of sweets. And then you can change to our fighters.
  23. Cananecat
    Cananecat 24 March 2016 08: 29
    +3
    By exchanging Savchenko under the Minsk agreements (as the Americans demand), we de facto recognize our participation in the database in Donbass. For this reason, I am inclined to believe that before the exchange the maid will be honored on the bunk. There will be a game with such a trump card, and we will have time to say "bravo" to our Foreign Ministry and Intelligence Services.
  24. Kenneth
    Kenneth 24 March 2016 08: 33
    -3
    If offered, you need to change. Let Ukrainians have a headache on her
  25. Borz
    Borz 24 March 2016 08: 51
    +4
    Letting go of Savchenko means creating a precedent for the future. No, this koblich should sit.
    1. Borz
      Borz 24 March 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Why did the flag change from red to dill? I don’t want it, it's disgusting.
  26. Nasty
    Nasty 24 March 2016 08: 52
    0
    They grabbed Serdyukov, grabbed Vasilyev, governors, etc. And Savchenko shaw. Why bother? Do not get used to it.
  27. Baltic Fleet
    Baltic Fleet 24 March 2016 08: 53
    -18%
    The Russians accused Savchenko of the murder of this Putin prophet G1NDON

    Igor Kornelyuk and his plot in 2014, when he came to a foreign country and began to wage war in an absolutely peaceful region. Before his death, he managed to enjoy the fruits of his labors - destruction and loss of life. It is clear that Savchenko was not involved in his death, but Kornelyuk was definitely involved in the death of tens of thousands of Ukrainians and his fooled compatriots-occupiers. Another journalist, Julius Streicher, was executed by the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal for what Kornelyuk was also doing - inciting ethnic hatred. Corneluk will no longer be judged - a stray mine sentenced him. The same mine became an indirect cause of the reprisal against Savchenko, which in fact resulted in a trial of Russia. And Russia is found guilty. More precisely, Putin, who linked this war!
    1. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 24 March 2016 09: 04
      +2
      Baltic Fleet, are you dill?
      1. Baltic Fleet
        Baltic Fleet 24 March 2016 09: 05
        -8
        No, I'm from Russia
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 24 March 2016 09: 06
          +2
          I do not mean residence, but beliefs?
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        3. V.ic
          V.ic 24 March 2016 09: 18
          0
          Quote: Baltic Fleet
          No, I'm from Russia

          Have you been from Russia for a long time? Vlasovets means! For the information of "such a bolt-fleet", Russia is spelled with a CAPITAL letter.
          1. Baltic Fleet
            Baltic Fleet 24 March 2016 09: 22
            -11%
            xyyasovets on.
            1. Dalmatia
              Dalmatia 24 March 2016 09: 34
              +1
              Baltic Fleet, but can you express your opinion, your position instead of insults? Write. And then it seems that you yesterday registered on our site solely for the purpose of insulting.
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            3. V.ic
              V.ic 24 March 2016 10: 20
              +2
              Quote: Baltic Fleet
              xyasovets on

              Self-critical and bold. fool
        4. Apsit
          Apsit 24 March 2016 10: 50
          +2
          Quote: Baltic Fleet
          No, I'm from Russia

          Apparently came to wait out the war. His war is here. Where are the moderators watching? Shoot as a provocateur for inciting hatred and the end of the matter.
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 24 March 2016 09: 31
      +2
      The Russians accused Savchenko of the murder of this Putin prophet G1NDON
      -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
      Yeah, so these journalists were to blame for everything, in your opinion, and in the events on the Maidan (after all, they kindled it) and in the campaign against "quilted jackets-cattle", as these scum called their compatriots in Donbass?
      Baltic Fleet, what are you talking about? With a long binge, or a bruised life?
      1. Serg81
        Serg81 24 March 2016 11: 41
        +3
        He would like to see ukrSMI, but it is best to watch them starting in March 2014. and then let him tell us who incited hatred. And the journalist just interviewed, but why this nonsense was broadcast is a question for the channel editor. And as for the journalists who do not have registration, so the Ukrainians themselves did not let them into Donetsk and Lugansk. And you probably have no complaints against foreign journalists and liberal journalists, although many of them in Novorossia were without Ukrainian registration.
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    3. Serg81
      Serg81 24 March 2016 10: 50
      +9
      The one you say directly sparked hatred. Do you even know how and why this war began and why people took up arms. And that Savchenko didn’t kill anyone ??, and on the way to the border crossing you probably didn’t see the burnt cars used for hiding the horses, you probably didn’t see how the Su-25 launched a missile attack on the NURasi city center in Lugansk, you probably didn’t see how as early as March, all the non-local cops who were guarding the Donetsk Regional State Administration were driven out of Donetsk, and without weapons, you probably didn’t see when people stopped the APU convoys, you probably didn’t see how the locals treated the military (not all of them are from hohland). You say a foreign country, and almost everyone has relatives across the border there, and when they begin to cradle everything they can, what do you think people will do ??? You can say that all local actions are illegal, and that the authorities can use force against it, but maybe only this power itself came to power with bayonets and a lot of people took it as a personal threat, I, as a resident of Ukraine, can tell you frankly, a lot of people were against this maidan and these events, and as for the war, its preparations began in 1991 and all presidents of Ukraine, without exception, did everything to start it. And also about Savchenko, she was in the Aidar battalion, and so now in Ukraine the commander of this squalor is under investigation, and with a dozen more Bayes wanted. So, when you write something, you should know at least a little bit about the subject you are writing about.
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  28. jekasimf
    jekasimf 24 March 2016 09: 03
    +6
    Personally, I really want Savchenko to be sent to Ukraine. And I even rub my hands in anticipation of pleasure.
    I clarify: in Ukraine they made an icon from Savchenko. She is a lawful deputy. Possessing parliamentary immunity.
    And Savchenko is a very, very unusual NON-human .... This is a typical war dog, who is suddenly given the "skill of invulnerability and omnipotence" .....
    Sachenko was a typical sadist who went to war in the Azov Terrbat precisely for the realization of his inclinations. And then suddenly such an opportunity falls from the sky !!! Yes, she will enjoy tearing all politicians in Ukra into the footcloths! Yezhov will smoke nervously aside.
    Then, of course, they will bang like Sashko Bilogo. And of course they will say that Putin did it. But then it will be. And before these we will see an exciting show. So I will probably stock up on popcorn!
  29. shura7782
    shura7782 24 March 2016 09: 03
    0
    I am sure she will not 100% serve her term. It will sit until Kiev ripens for an exchange on favorable terms for us. In the meantime, you can just forget about it in the media.
  30. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 24 March 2016 09: 06
    0
    Quote: Canecat
    Exchanging Savchenko under the Minsk agreements (as the Americans demand), we de facto recognize participation in the database in the Donbass.

    how is this?

    - exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of persons related to events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
  31. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 24 March 2016 09: 21
    0
    Of course they will hand over this one. They will now begin to brainwash our brains through the parcels of the Solovyovs and other Malakhovs, news anchors, and in two weeks those who shouted "I'll put on bunks" will start to drink "well, yes, yes, let's pan ..."
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 24 March 2016 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: Absurdidat
      They will now begin to brainwash our brains through the parcels of the Solovyovs and other Malakhovs, news anchors, and in two weeks those who shouted "I'll put on bunks" will start to drink "well, yes, yes, let's pan ..."

      I agree. The attitudes of citizens are understandable - for us this gopnitsa is a collective image of those who take part in the punitive mission of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. Unfortunately, her figure has become a kind of symbol for both sides. Authorities through the media pumped up the resonance and inevitably themselves became his hostage. And now, through the same media, as you rightly noted, they will bring down the degree and prepare public opinion for the inevitable transfer of this habalka to the young people. Well, Kiselev knows how to convince.
  32. Londa
    Londa 24 March 2016 09: 27
    -1
    And fig it feed at the expense of us? Let him ride, and even there you can quietly remove this m / v / a / p / b. And then, God forbid, they will kill her in our prison, so then you won’t stink.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 24 March 2016 16: 26
      +2
      "then you won't get rid of the stench."

      And now the stench is not enough? Then after the exchange there will be even more. For Ukrainians, this will be a TRIPLE victory! Firstly, it will become clear to everyone that there is NO LAW in Russia, but there is a telephone right, they will do whatever they want upon a call from the State Department. Secondly, the "heroine" will be promoted to the fullest, put the prime minister and Medvedev will talk with her NEGOTIATIONS. Thirdly, the whole world will see that Putin is WEAK. Although everyone knows this, but here even the guarantor's followers will understand ...
  33. Super Black
    Super Black 24 March 2016 09: 28
    0
    Exchange by feeding polonium on the exchange day so that no one is hurt.
  34. Antropos
    Antropos 24 March 2016 09: 28
    +2
    1 Pardon. For this, Shavchenko must plead guilty and write a petition. But, there are probably restrictions associated with the gravity of the crime and the duration of the sentence. Those. not right away.
    2 Exchange. If possible, then this must be done. For the sake of the living. May they become sons to the mothers of Voloshin and Kornelyuk.
    And on ukraine with shavcheko there will only be problems. As soon as this sadist opens her mouth in the Rada, vitalik will die of envy. Ukraine needs it more in "dungeons" as a reason to talk about this to several generations of "politicians". Each new prezik or prime minister will start their programs from Crimea and shavchenko.
    But everything will be different. Soon a "technocratic" government will sit down in Ukraine. And if Dzhareska becomes prime minister, I strongly suspect that the tone in relation to Russia will change dramatically. And for the sake of "warming", the shavchenko will be presented to Ukraine. Like a gesture of goodwill. And if at the government level they stop stinking about Russia, then they can forgive three lard.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 24 March 2016 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: Anthropos
      1 pardon.

      Quote: Anthropos
      2 Exchange.

      3. UDO in 2028.
      4. Suicide.
  35. guzik007
    guzik007 24 March 2016 09: 36
    +6
    Putin has already made one mistake by letting go of his heartfelt kindness (regretted to his mother) Hodor on parole.
    The people do not understand this in relation to this sadist. Deserved? Sit all the way. In a year everyone will forget. And in two or three years, she will turn into a driven animal there, because they really do not like such people in the zone, and she will no longer be interested in her owners by any side.
  36. YLTHEN
    YLTHEN 24 March 2016 10: 01
    0
    Especially for Nadezhda Savchenko, the song of Konstantin Kostenko: "Hello, city of Magadan!"

    Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/72756-politolog-o-prigovore-savchenko-teper-na-zapa
    de-pustyat-slezu.html
    Politikus.ru
  37. Vladimir
    Vladimir 24 March 2016 10: 09
    +1
    In principle, there may not be an exchange, as long as the "justice" of Ukraine brings the case of Erofeev and Aleksandrov to the end. Savchenko may not hold out, most likely there will be a pardon or amnesty on some favorable favorable terms.
  38. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 24 March 2016 10: 16
    +3
    Exchange and as soon as possible. Purely for pragmatic reasons. Returning to Ukraine in the halo of a "martyr" Savchenko will begin to demand all kinds of preferences for himself ... Judging by his psychotype, he will stigmatize the corrupt Kiev government. And if he joins with Tymoshenko ... the consequences for the Kiev authorities are difficult to predict. She is not needed in Ukraine .... it is much more necessary for Ukraine and the West to sit in Russia. And in Ukraine, she will most likely be quickly eliminated so that she does not get confused under the feet of the "big uncles"
  39. timothy61
    timothy61 24 March 2016 10: 20
    -1
    It’s necessary to understand. If the guys are standing then they can exchange
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 24 March 2016 16: 20
      +1
      Standing boys will not be captured ... What was going to war? To fight and captured?
  40. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 24 March 2016 10: 23
    +4
    Why does everyone think that Savchenko will be forgotten exactly in a year? Much earlier, if you stop advertising her with this holivar, then they will no longer remember her in 3-4 months. Even earlier. There is such a concept in journalism, "nine-day news". Its essence is that no matter how sensational news may look, but if it is not artificially "heated", after 9 days it ceases to be interesting. Savchenko, with her 22 years in prison, deserves nothing more. Planted - forgot. Nine-day news.
    As for all the suffering about "our guys in the Ukrainian dungeons" - I'm sorry, but they knew very well what they were doing. Exactly also, if before that they did not serve in the construction battalion, they should have known that captivity is an integral part of any war, and anyone can get into it under a variety of circumstances. And what kind of exchanges are there, in figs, who needs them? About the same president, if he goes to this exchange, they will say that he is weak and succumbed to international (or some other) pressure. Accordingly, you can push further - give up Crimea! And who needs it? At one time, Stalin reacted unequivocally to a similar offer of exchange, saying: "I am not changing a soldier for a field marshal."
    1. AlexW
      AlexW 25 March 2016 06: 01
      0
      "no matter how sensational news may look, but if it is not artificially "heated", after 9 days it ceases to be interesting. " - And her, this "news and will be constantly warmed up.
      In your opinion, if taken prisoner means a criminal? Strange logic. They are captured in different ways, including because of betrayal or, for example, severe injury or concussion. And very worthy people get there. And now what to leave them to their fate? Betray? "I am not changing a soldier for a field marshal." Firstly, Stalin stressed that for him the fate of the country is higher than the fate of his son. Secondly - do you seriously think that this sadistic "field marshal"? Why did she give up here? - while she is sitting, they will sculpt an icon from it contrary to common sense. Change on acceptable conditions - free as many worthy people as possible. And return this violent back to the Ukrainian serpentarium, and let the Waltsman-Groismanns have a headache there how to cope with this Nazi scum. And she will let them pretty much blood. And not to bang the publicized like Muzychko and not bribe like Yarosh. Raised Frankensteinich on their own head, so let them fight with her. And we will admire the process.
  41. antiexpert
    antiexpert 24 March 2016 10: 46
    +2
    the colonel of the American army, the head of the Nuremberg prison, said well to Goering, when he did not want to obey the prison routine, began to swagger, call himself a "historical figure", in fifty years, they say, a monument will be erected to him, etc .:
    “You, Herr Goering, are too fat for Nuremberg.” I prescribe you a diet so that you understand where you are and what awaits you.
  42. nishestakovani
    nishestakovani 24 March 2016 10: 51
    -7
    Men! Then I decided to give moonshine still to your holiday, they write that this germania1.ru is good, your opinion is interesting, what say??
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 24 March 2016 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: nishestakovani
      what say ???

      let's send. I got it already. In all branches. Administration, take this moonshiner away.
  43. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 24 March 2016 11: 12
    0
    Indeed, Alexandrov and Erofeev today are ordinary Russian citizens, and who is Savchenko? And Savchenko is how the West himself repeats to us every single day in the person of either Biden or Mogherini, - a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament and a member of the Parliamentary Assembly

    Alexei, you seriously do not want to save two Russian citizens from captivity even at the cost of some sort of Svidomo deputy?

    In this “de jure” the main question lies: will the representative of the Ukrainian punitive battalion “from bell to bell”, guilty of the death of Russian journalists, or go on an exchange? In Kiev, they have already announced that they are proposing to exchange Savchenko for two Russian servicemen (Aleksandrov and Yerofeyev), who are still called personnel officers in Ukraine.
    I think that it doesn’t give a damn whether he will sit or not. Although for me it would be possible to offer a ransom money ransom for ours - I think Gunpowder would agree.

    Quote: Aleksander
    Then act according to the LAW. And by law, she must sit.
    By law, both the Duma and the President can even amnesty it (but this is unlikely! laughing ) or transfer for further serving the sentence to the historical homeland.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 24 March 2016 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Warrior2015
      or transfer for further serving the sentence to the historical homeland.

      like this? Will our UIN be passed from hand to hand to the xoxlyak UIN?
  44. Belarus
    Belarus 24 March 2016 11: 21
    +4
    This “de jure” is the main question: will the representative of the Ukrainian punitive battalion “from call to call”, guilty of the death of Russian journalists, or go on an exchange?


    Here the question is not even that: exchange or not (you must ask the relatives of the dead guys for consent) but the fact that this Savchenko will be alive after the exchange and how much she will live ?????? Where is the guarantee that she will not be sent to the other world and the autopsy miraculously does not reveal that Savchenko was poisoned in a Russian prison ?????And then there will be more hemorrhoids than now. The situation is very complicated, because in Ukraine it is dead will bring more benefits.
  45. Shustov
    Shustov 24 March 2016 11: 37
    0
    Chatting !! ?? They got shit here too, did not complete it, received a bunch of sanctions and other propaganda insults and let go, stupidly hope that they will not believe her, just now THEY will know AMERICA DOESN'T DROP THEY. The militias are being returned from captivity, and then this girl was joking about the entire justice system of the Russian Federation, everyone who could "threw stones" at Russia throughout the investigation and here is the result.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 24 March 2016 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: Shustov
      THEY WILL KNOW AMERICA DOES NOT DROP THEIR

      Reminded: in the Crimea at the airfield ukrovoin some roar: "America is with us !!!" lol

      And where is that warrior? And where is that America? wink

      Quote: Shustov
      this girl joked about the entire justice system of the Russian Federation

      And I got hold of 22 years in total, no?

      Valery! Well are you so killing? You’ll never be so afraid .. request
  46. DPG
    DPG 24 March 2016 11: 50
    +1
    According to the law, after the sentence comes into force, we are obliged to notify her relatives of the fact of conviction. And further, in accordance with the convention, relatives of the convicted citizen of another country may be asked to extradite that citizen to their homeland, to serve their sentence there. There are very few reasons for refusing extradition and they need to be proved. I have already written somewhere on the forum and brought this convention.
    And the reason for this is the refusal to write an appeal to a lawyer and a boy Nadia. So they can send to Wroland without exchange.
  47. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 24 March 2016 11: 56
    +3
    As in one film, "if you please, I agree with each of you" but, it's a shame for the dead, not only journalists, but also for the refugees who fell under the mortar fire of this very "ice" (from the word-clean the ice. On the other hand, two guys, ... yes, I think not just two, the dilemma is the living versus the dead.
    PS If everyone exchanges her, then it is most reasonable, for the junta, to slap her. Well, a month or two, she’ll still raise the morale of the punishers, but then nobody needs her in the figs. Is it necessary to somehow recoup the costs of its propaganda? The way out is to slap and blame Putin. And remember another story with Trotsky
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 24 March 2016 12: 23
      -1
      Yes, to act humanely - to exchange, and then inadvertently slap. Well, as in the Old Testament. In fairness.
      1. AlexW
        AlexW 25 March 2016 06: 09
        0
        Her "friends" also crash. It is in the Russian zone that she is a "holy great martyr," and when she finds herself in Ukraine, it will be a big headache for the entire Kiev kagal. They raised a "rat" themselves, so let them fight with him.
  48. infantry76
    infantry76 24 March 2016 12: 35
    +2
    Gentlemen-comrades, moderators and members of the site "Military Review"!
    This "character" has received so much attention that it is no longer possible to become. All! She's a criminal! She was condemned! Let the competent services, bodies and our President decide what will happen to her next. Personally, I don't want to see her image in photos and cartoons, to put it mildly. For the crimes she had committed, she should have suffered a well-deserved punishment and she received it, but it’s just not decent to talk about her so much and for so long, in my opinion. Whether she was judged correctly or not is a matter of prosecutorial and judicial authorities, legal experts. Let them sort it out and give their comments.
    I have the honor! soldier
  49. Black Hundred
    Black Hundred 24 March 2016 12: 57
    +5
    In general, in my opinion, the situation is stalemate. Let go and exchange for our guys? This is certainly a plus. The dead journalists cannot be returned. And ours can still be saved. But the sly ... hooped Ukrainians will naturally raise this into law and will seize our citizens anywhere and exchange them for all sorts of urodov. Besides, we will not earn a plus in karma from the West. Just for the reason that Sravchenko will get sick from "hemorrhoidal colic" for 2-3 days and a proud Ukrainian pathologist will say that all her organs have been beaten off. And new sanctions for us on the economy and Ukrainians loans for new equipment. Do not let go, follow the path of law and order, but in fact kill our guys. And who knows what to choose. That is, the choice is between losing face and becoming hostages in the hands of ukrov or killing two citizens. It seems to me that all the same guys are sorry but they are soldiers. And the soldier must die when the Motherland orders. Sad as it is to admit sad
    1. Boban
      Boban 24 March 2016 14: 08
      -1
      that is, Grushnikov captured de horrible?
    2. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 24 March 2016 16: 12
      0
      A captured soldier is ALREADY NOT A SOLDIER, BUT A POW! It is still unknown how he was captured! Maybe he gave up? Deserted! But since there is NO WAR, there are no prisoners of war, but there are illegally captured Russian citizens, is it possible to change the hostages to a criminal? This means encouraging the capture of new hostages. And lose the face of the country. This means that there is NO LAW in the country! He can be circumvented by a call from the State Department! How many US exchanges of Russian citizens illegally captured even in third countries? That's it. If you change so ALL FOR EVERYONE including ALL CONDEMNED Russians in the USA, Ukraine and in Geyrop. This can be done in the form of a decision of the State Duma on the exchange.
  50. Gorodovik
    Gorodovik 24 March 2016 12: 59
    -2
    I do not agree with the author. Yes, it’s a pity to the dead, but they cannot be returned. And those two can still be returned home to families. So, in your opinion, is it more important to return two people home or justice for which you will still pay money7
    1. Black Hundred
      Black Hundred 24 March 2016 13: 04
      +5
      So what? Ukrainians will immediately take new ones. Anywhere but they’ll take it. There are many more ours. So you can’t let go in any way. Unfortunately
    2. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 24 March 2016 16: 02
      -2
      To change deserters to a criminal? Face lose in front of the whole world. It means to show the whole world that there is NO LAW in Russia! But there is a PHONE LAW! He called offal and puten on his hind legs - at your service ...
      1. Gorodovik
        Gorodovik 24 March 2016 17: 46
        -1
        Have they already turned into deserters? deserters would not be judged there.
        About Phone Law. But Chapman was exchanged than those people are worse than the careerist7 And ​​nothing in the world shouted that there is no law. This is normal world practice.
        1. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 24 March 2016 17: 54
          +3
          Quote: Cityman
          About Phone Law. But Chapman was exchanged than those people are worse than the careerist7 And ​​nothing in the world shouted that there is no law. This is normal world practice.

          I already wrote: according to the law, Savchenko’s exchange is impossible. Under the Criminal Procedure Code, sending a criminal to serve his sentence to the state of which he is a citizen is possible only if the opposing party recognizes the justice of the sentence.
          Ukrainians have already opened criminal proceedings against the judge and prosecutors who participated in the process. Those. they have already de facto not recognized the verdict of our court. Accordingly, they themselves sent Savchenko to our colony.
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 24 March 2016 18: 08
            0
            Thanks for your post. A normal addition to my foregoing. But for full exposition, a multi-book without slogans is required. As a rule, not many manage to overcome at least three sentences on the forum. Therefore, there is little discussion.
            And about the minuses without substantiating my opinion, I generally keep quiet. laughing
            And so 100500! good
        2. siberalt
          siberalt 24 March 2016 17: 56
          0
          And that someone Chapman charged with crimes? Do not confuse with your finger the very thing that some people think. laughing
          1. Gorodovik
            Gorodovik 24 March 2016 22: 39
            +2
            Good. I quote
            On July 8, 2010, Chapman, like other Russian citizens arrested in the United States in the framework of this case, admitted her intelligence activities in the United States, after which she was sentenced to imprisonment by a court decision.
            So in my opinion I do not confuse a finger with that. And let's not make faces and admit that you don't care about those guys. You just do not care about them. So you bring excuses. But I don’t understand why she gave up to you7 Well, she will sit. At your expense, they will feed and protect her. And why7 So that later she will talk about the bloody dungeons. You need it7
            Moreover, it was not the first time that they had already exchanged money and no one had shouted before that it was bad. And now it’s bad, bad. But now it’s not by law. And excuse me, since when in our state the law has become an unshakable block7