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Defense Ministry intends to dispose of the "Needles" in connection with the expiration of the storage of missiles and re-equipment complexes "Verba"

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Russian military department allocates 16 mln. Rub. for disposal of an arsenal of 9М37 missiles that are part of Strela-10 MANPADS, as well as 9М39 and 9М313 missiles from Igla and Igla-1 complexes, the channel reports RT with reference to the procurement site.




According to the Deputy General Designer of the Scientific and Production Corporation of Mechanical Engineering, Viktor Konovalov, "The equipment being written off for at least 25 years, it is dangerous to continue to operate this equipment."

He added, oh "During this time, the powder - the basis of solid-fuel engines - become useless".

The “Needles” are replaced by portable “Verba” air defense missile systems with a three-spectral homing head.

It is noted that "in terms of characteristics," Willow "surpasses both domestic MANPADS and foreign analogues - the American FIM-92 Stinger, the British Starstreak, the Swedish RBS 70, the French Mistral and the Chinese QW-1 and QW-2."
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  1. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 23 March 2016 10: 28
    +6
    I wonder how the disposal will go ...
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 23 March 2016 10: 29
      +45
      Hussitam, send the Kurds. Or the teachings, otherwise it smells like another cut.
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 23 March 2016 10: 33
        +13
        Quote: Megatron
        smacks of another cut.

        Something really strange. first make (to hand over money), and then dispose of ?! 16 more lyamas to allocate for this!
        Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just on sparrows or on the wall! Into milk! just to feel the spirit of the shot! Just for pride, for impressions, so that later I boasted that I was shooting in the army not only from a machine gun!
        Not to mention Syria, where it’s not even to shoot on planes but on groups of Babaev, just for a schukher, and then there would be more benefit!

        But - 16 MILLION ??? !!! Where? To whom? For what? Why?

        "The equipment being written off for at least 25 years, it is dangerous to continue to operate this equipment."
        He added that “during this time, gunpowder - the basis of solid propellant engines - is becoming unusable"
        Anyway - in disrepair - this means that he can not shoot! So what? one will fire, one will not fire, everything is better for training!
        1. maxiban
          maxiban 23 March 2016 10: 45
          +2
          Definitely they will emerge in Syria. Expired exploitation is dangerous here.
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 23 March 2016 10: 59
            +29
            a little positive good
            2-3 days only a photo flickered, and now the video appeared
            balm straight to the soul
            almost did not forget 18+
            ====
            SYRIA Capture of a gang that destroyed a helicopter of the Russian Aerospace Forces
            1. tundra
              tundra 23 March 2016 11: 34
              +10
              Grade video! Dragging like sheep, scared faces, all the arrogance and belligerence have gone somewhere.
              Slogans do not yell and they don’t call Alla in the bar.
              Have you forgotten something?
              1. hrych
                hrych 23 March 2016 20: 10
                +1
                The funniest thing is that the tripod is in place ... Something similar to the title "The Star and Death of Joaquim Murietta (or Hakim Murad)"
            2. gloomy fox
              gloomy fox 23 March 2016 15: 07
              +2
              Great video !!!!!!! all the bandits lesson.
          2. cniza
            cniza 23 March 2016 10: 59
            +6
            Quote: maxiban
            Definitely they will emerge in Syria. Expired exploitation is dangerous here.



            Points are not only in Syria, I think they will find more, to the benefit of Russian interests.
            1. Throw
              Throw 23 March 2016 20: 36
              +1
              with benefit for Russian interests.

              Just for pride, for impressions, so that later I boasted that I was shooting in the army not only from a machine gun!

              one will fire, one will not fire, everything is better for training!

              I sometimes lose weight from couch techno-kamikaze on the site laughing

              And if the powder of the expelling charge is sour and the marching rocket in front of the nose cuts?
              Why then will you brag about how they burned in the tank?
              Or how did you train from a rocket to run cancer?

              After such a "benefit for Russian interests" of money for prostheses of torn ass butts and clearance of what did not immediately explode, in the end it will take more fool

              Video about those lucky:


              About those who were unlucky, the video did not survive ...
        2. chikenous59
          chikenous59 23 March 2016 10: 56
          +8
          Quote: Pravdarm
          Anyway - in disrepair - this means that he can not shoot! So what? one will fire, one will not fire, everything is better for training!

          And if it explodes in your hands?)) The article does not indicate how much missiles are expired.
          Would you dare to shoot yourself from such a good?
          Although the version with a cut does not exclude at all.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 March 2016 12: 21
            +3
            So you can spoil the fuel to the end, and sell it to ISIS. Let them blow themselves up.
        3. Ustinov 055 055
          Ustinov 055 055 23 March 2016 11: 00
          +1
          Dear, did you really think that 16 million is enough for the disposal of all such missiles, only very old ones will be utilized, the rest of the exercises both fired and fired
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 23 March 2016 11: 02
            +2
            Quote: Ustinov 055 055
            Dear, did you really think that 16 million is enough to dispose of all such missiles

            To set the warehouse on fire
        4. Ustinov 055 055
          Ustinov 055 055 23 March 2016 11: 00
          0
          Dear, did you really think that 16 million is enough for the disposal of all such missiles, only very old ones will be utilized, the rest of the exercises both fired and fired
        5. Spitfire
          Spitfire 23 March 2016 11: 18
          +5
          Quote: Pravdarm
          Quote: Megatron
          smacks of another cut.

          Something really strange. first make (to hand over money), and then dispose of ?! 16 more lyamas to allocate for this!
          Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just on sparrows or on the wall! Into milk! just to feel the spirit of the shot! Just for pride, for impressions, so that later I boasted that I was shooting in the army not only from a machine gun!
          Not to mention Syria, where it’s not even to shoot on planes but on groups of Babaev, just for a schukher, and then there would be more benefit!

          But - 16 MILLION ??? !!! Where? To whom? For what? Why?

          "The equipment being written off for at least 25 years, it is dangerous to continue to operate this equipment."
          He added that “during this time, gunpowder - the basis of solid propellant engines - is becoming unusable"
          Anyway - in disrepair - this means that he can not shoot! So what? one will fire, one will not fire, everything is better for training!


          And the third will shoot and fall 10 meters from the shooter. With subsequent erosion of the main charge. A 100-meter training run with a world record break will work out.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 23 March 2016 12: 21
            +2
            Quote: Spitfire
            And the third will shoot and fall 10 meters from the shooter. With subsequent erosion of the main charge.

            And together with the fuel:
            The charge is mixed, i.e., a mechanical mixture of fuel and oxidizer. The oxidizing agent in the charge is ammonium perchlorate, which releases oxygen when heated. Hexagen and aluminum powder are used as fuel. Hexagen, in addition, is a good explosive having a high detonation speed, thereby providing the possibility of undermining the remaining fuel when triggered warhead.
        6. Lieutenant Izhe
          Lieutenant Izhe 23 March 2016 11: 48
          +4
          According to Viktor Konovalov, deputy general designer of the Scientific-Production Corporation of Mechanical Engineering, “it’s dangerous to continue using this equipment for at least 25 years,”


          Pravdarm
          Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just on sparrows or on the wall!


          But if it flies out when a rocket is launched ... after falling 3-5 meters from a soldier, it starts spinning on the ground, breaking everyone’s legs and sticks in someone’s stomach or side? Or will it explode in the guide, leaving the soldier without a head ?!
          (After all, the fuel in the engine partially lost its quality, but HOW MUCH and in what place ??)

          fool
        7. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 March 2016 12: 05
          +2
          To shoot, another consumable is used there - a container with refrigerant for cooling the homing head. Do you want to dispose of it too? He is probably a worker, and it’s not a fact that they are the same number as missiles.
        8. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 23 March 2016 12: 18
          +3
          one will fire, one will not fire

          the third will detonate and destroy the contractor.
        9. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 23 March 2016 12: 27
          +9
          Not required by regulation!
          Fuel degradation can lead to cracking, and this is fraught with an increase in the combustion surface and explosion of the accelerating engine.
          Do you want your hands to tear off the fighters?
          Usually, intelligent countries will liquidate their reserves in small local wars shortly before the end of their shelf life ...
          For example, the states - how the storage periods of Tomahawks or depleted uranium shells are coming to an end - quickly a small victorious war - plebs in euphoria + military orders, = BC is updated, practice, self-awareness of the navel of peace for the nation ...
        10. Darkoff
          Darkoff 23 March 2016 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Pravdarm

          Something really strange. first make (to hand over money), and then dispose of ?! 16 more lyamas to allocate for this!

          Nothing strange. When the war begins, it will be too late to launch mass production. The second most equipped army in the world, what do you think?
        11. IGS
          IGS 23 March 2016 15: 15
          +3
          This product will not be able to "just shoot", it is not a grenade launcher, where the rocket flies to where it was directed (example RPG-7), and a rocket not controlled by the operator in flight (example "Baby", "Fagot" ..), SAMA missile controls the flight focusing on a temperature of ~ 900C, although they say it can "catch" and over 400. It is oriented, since it does not fly directly to the target (it tries to get to the point where the plane will be, that is, ahead of it). Okay, you can think of something for educational purposes. But the expiration date for gunpowders concerns not only the main engine, but also the starting engine, as well as pyrotechnic power sources, of which there are two, one in the rocket itself, the second in the launch (ground) mechanism. Oh .., I forgot, but there is also explosives, and the type of gunpowder in the sustainer engine is such that, with incomplete combustion before the main explosive charge is triggered, it increases the power of the main one. It's just unsafe, "just like that" to shoot the wall overdue. And if the soldier dies, we will shout what kind of carelessness? And about the fact that the amount of 16 million is a lot for the disposal of such products, you are mistaken. No, of course, you can, by platoon forces, dump in a heap and set fire, or you can give the soldiers a hammer and a chisel, optimize costs, so to speak wassat
        12. ferdiperdozzz
          ferdiperdozzz 23 March 2016 15: 27
          +2
          Quote: Pravdarm
          Anyway - in disrepair - this means that he can not shoot! So what? one will fire, one will not fire, everything is better for training!

          One shooter in the head - after all, bullshit.
          I put a plus for you - you write for the sake of pluses?
        13. Kite
          Kite 23 March 2016 18: 55
          0
          Quote: Pravdarm
          Something really strange. first make (to hand over money), and then dispose of ?! 16 more lyamas to allocate for this!
          Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just sparrows

          Quote: Pravdarm
          Something really strange. first make (to hand over money), and then dispose of ?! 16 more lyamas to allocate for this!
          Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just sparrows
          belay negative
          - and if it shoots but does not fly away far? Let the soldiers shoot?
          Such weapons must be and are under strict control. A leak from a warehouse, from a landfill will lead to an international scandal. Think about the consequences before they happen!
      2. krops777
        krops777 23 March 2016 10: 40
        +9
        Hussitam, send the Kurds. Or the teachings, otherwise it smells like another cut.

        I offer the Indians on reservations to sell. To help the Indian people, so to speak, in the struggle against the invaders.
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt 23 March 2016 10: 47
        +4
        Yeah. If you send to the Kurds, then the Turkish Air Force will end without even taking off laughing
      5. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 23 March 2016 11: 24
        +2
        You can still throw the armies of the DNI and LC
      6. YARUSSIAN39
        YARUSSIAN39 23 March 2016 12: 10
        +2
        You can part on the Donbass, Kurds, and even someone else, but what good disappear
      7. vladimirw
        vladimirw 23 March 2016 12: 11
        +1
        Yes, most likely, what did not "burn" in the warehouses for scrap. Shots from the Grad were on fire in the warehouses, and in Chechnya our guys were shooting from the finger, and the "flies" captured from the Czechs were forced to return to the warehouses.
      8. DMM2006
        DMM2006 23 March 2016 12: 48
        +2
        What is there to cut 16 million rubles. for them it is not even money. But about sending arrows and needles to Turkey's "best friends" the Kurds, in order for the askers to stop violating the law of gravity, it is necessary. And then you understand!
      9. Stranger03
        Stranger03 23 March 2016 14: 05
        0
        I support, send better to the Kurds, there is no fucking hanging around with all sorts of Turkish F-16, :)
      10. Blondy
        Blondy 23 March 2016 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: Megatron

        Megatron Today, 10:29 ↑
        Hussitam, send the Kurds.

        It is tempting, of course, but after all, it will creep away and then get to completely different people.
    2. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 23 March 2016 10: 30
      +4
      Will be handed over to the Kurds for recycling
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 March 2016 15: 05
        0
        Quote: Tim Coconuts
        Will be handed over to the Kurds for recycling

        Which of the Kurds?
        There is such a mishmash, a periodic change of sides and gesheftmaharstvo that transferred weapons can at best be found on the shelves of the arms bazaars of Iraq. And at worst - to go somewhere, and together with the operators who decided to change sides.

        And I’m not even talking about what a howl will rise if first MANPADS are lit up by the Kurds, and then some civilian side is shot down from some MANPADS. Moreover, they can shoot down either in fact ("in this plane are flying those who burned your house and killed your family - do not miss"), or in the form of a provocation (first," after being hit by an unidentified missile ", the plane will fall, and then the information will be injected in the style of"in the house of the destroyed militant, who was part of the detachment that claimed responsibility for the downed liner, a warehouse for Russian MANPADS was found")
    3. Aroma77
      Aroma77 23 March 2016 10: 35
      +1
      In Syria and in Yemen)
    4. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 23 March 2016 10: 41
      -2
      Quote: GSVG 86-88
      I wonder how the disposal will go ...

      There will be a fire in the warehouse, it will be put out, but after it you won’t really be able to count anything, therefore they will write off everything in bulk, and where no one will prove where the goods will go. And everything that comes up somewhere will be echoes of the looted arsenals of Syria and Libya.
    5. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 23 March 2016 11: 07
      +2
      Why cut it? In the DNI, send Kurds + to Damascus.
    6. seti
      seti 23 March 2016 11: 07
      0
      Why dispose of. Send them to the Kurds. They sure will be very happy.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 March 2016 12: 08
        +2
        Quote: seti
        Why dispose of. Send them to the Kurds. They sure will be very happy.

        Yeah ... missiles that fail and explode when launched - the best gift to the Kurds and the best advertisement for our weapons.

        Remember how the airborne assault on 08.08.08 was forced to completely abandon the use of ATGMs due to problems with ATGMs. Or how militias in Donbass complained about old "flies".
    7. inkass_98
      inkass_98 23 March 2016 12: 22
      0
      And most importantly - where.
    8. DMM2006
      DMM2006 23 March 2016 12: 50
      0
      By transportation outside the Russian Federation, to the future "free from flights" zone.
    9. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 March 2016 14: 20
      -1
      Quote: GSVG 86-88
      I wonder how the disposal will go ...


      How, how ... 16 million tea. Find how to poke in your pockets
  2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 23 March 2016 10: 28
    +2
    Dispose of everything in Yemen after 25 years, we are for !!! bully
  3. Engineer
    Engineer 23 March 2016 10: 29
    0
    But in the exercises they all can not be used up?
    1. jjj
      jjj 23 March 2016 10: 30
      +2
      They say it’s dangerous already
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 March 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: Engineer
      But in the exercises they all can not be used up?

      Together with the calculations? belay
      25 years for gunpowder is a deadline. At best, the rocket just won't take off. At worst, it can explode.

      By the way, Needle fuel:
      The charge is mixed, i.e., a mechanical mixture of fuel and oxidizer. The oxidizing agent in the charge is ammonium perchlorate, which releases oxygen when heated. Hexagen and aluminum powder are used as fuel. Hexagen, in addition, is a good explosive substance having a high detonation speed, thereby providing the possibility of undermining fuel residues when warheads are triggered.
  4. Severodvinsk
    Severodvinsk 23 March 2016 10: 29
    +1
    Hmm, and where to sell to Africa?
    Although we need a reliable country, so that it would not fall into the hands of terrorists
    Perhaps the best solution
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  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 March 2016 10: 30
    +2
    Well, if you have to dispose of it, why not transfer the landfill for disposal to Iraqi Kurdistan? Well, to Syrian too, although there, as the C 400 got up, the Ottoman falcons flew off ... wassat
  6. Achilles
    Achilles 23 March 2016 10: 32
    0
    Why dispose of, it is better to give Turkish Kurds or militias in the Donbas
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2016 11: 39
      0
      Nothing flies over Donbass - they have already flown away.
    2. ferdiperdozzz
      ferdiperdozzz 23 March 2016 15: 30
      0
      Better Gopnik from Butovo. Or from somewhere else.
      You know better.
  7. Kochegarkin
    Kochegarkin 23 March 2016 10: 33
    0
    Quote: Severodvinsk
    Hmm, and where to sell to Africa?
    Although we need a reliable country, so that it would not fall into the hands of terrorists
    Perhaps the best solution


    it’s dangerous to exploit them ... maybe it was even better if they fell into the hands of terrorists ... and there inside it would break off some kind of postings ... and it would certainly explode at the start?
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 23 March 2016 10: 34
    0
    And if you reconfigure for ground targets, otherwise the Urinovites completely terrorized the LPR, so to speak, to provide the militia with "humanitarian" assistance.
  9. raid14
    raid14 23 March 2016 10: 37
    +3
    It is necessary to utilize it unambiguously, it is incomprehensible to anyone who owns and owns a lot of intermediaries, the transfer to the wrong hands is not ruled out, then civilian planes will fall and all the media will blame Russia as one, do we need it?
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 March 2016 10: 38
    0
    Right.
  11. V.ic
    V.ic 23 March 2016 10: 43
    0
    I still hope that the Hussites and Kurds will help a little in the recycling process.
  12. maxim1987
    maxim1987 23 March 2016 10: 46
    +8
    Quote: Pravdarm
    Quote: Megatron
    smacks of another cut.

    Something really strange. first make (to hand over money), and then dispose of ?! 16 more lyamas to allocate for this!
    Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just on sparrows or on the wall! Into milk! just to feel the spirit of the shot! Just for pride, for impressions, so that later I boasted that I was shooting in the army not only from a machine gun!
    Not to mention Syria, where it’s not even to shoot on planes but on groups of Babaev, just for a schukher, and then there would be more benefit!

    But - 16 MILLION ??? !!! Where? To whom? For what? Why?


    and when some soldier tears off his head when fired due to improper operation of the engine, you will scream that in the MO there are some bastards who do not protect soldiers
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 23 March 2016 10: 58
      0
      Quote: maximNNX
      and when some soldier tears off his head when fired due to improper operation of the engine, you will scream that in the MO there are some bastards who do not protect soldiers

      Do not argue with an expert, he knows yours better)))
    2. ferdiperdozzz
      ferdiperdozzz 23 March 2016 15: 34
      0
      He needed to collect the pluses. Did you give him a plus?
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 23 March 2016 21: 17
        0
        Quote: ferdiperdozzz
        He needed to collect the pluses. Did you give him a plus?

        No) Minus laughing
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 23 March 2016 10: 52
    0
    Recycle! Passing on to anyone is dangerous:
    1 Death and injuries (gunpowder deteriorated)
    2 The appearance of MANPADS in the hands of terrorists (there will always be a greedy ensign). And if they can’t bring down a government plane, then a civilian when landing easily.
  14. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 March 2016 10: 54
    +1
    Idiocy. They did it, and now it costs expenses for utilization. Not in a businesslike way. You need to get into the business!
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 23 March 2016 11: 00
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Idiocy. They did it, and now it costs expenses for utilization. Not in a businesslike way. You need to get into the business!

      Would you yourself shoot from such a “gun”? Would you have enough courage and madness? laughing
      1. Dewa1s
        Dewa1s 23 March 2016 12: 23
        0
        What are you doing, they are "economic".
  15. Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 23 March 2016 10: 59
    +1
    for disposal of the arsenal of 9M37 missiles that are part of the Strela-10 MANPADS

    "Strela-10" is not a portable air defense system, but an anti-aircraft self-propelled gun on a tracked track based on MT-LB with a radar crew and operator. During my service, the cost of one rocket was equal to the cost of a Lada.
    It is probably better to replace expired solid fuel on such missiles, rather than letting them get them into color color.
    1. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 23 March 2016 11: 02
      0
      Yes, they do not understand that 17 million is a penny, only for the disposal of very ancient missiles and then a few, here are "specialists" half of the site
    2. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 23 March 2016 11: 02
      0
      Yes, they do not understand that 17 million is a penny, only for the disposal of very ancient missiles and then a few, here are "specialists" half of the site
    3. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 23 March 2016 13: 04
      0
      Technically impossible
  16. spravochnik
    spravochnik 23 March 2016 11: 17
    -1
    The best way to dispose of them is to ship them to Iraqi and Turkish Kurds.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2016 11: 41
      0
      Yes, so that these expired missiles do not work at the most crucial moment.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 23 March 2016 11: 45
        0
        Work, don’t worry.
  17. Maxom75
    Maxom75 23 March 2016 11: 20
    0
    Quote: Pravdarm
    Yes, just let the soldiers shoot in the troops, even just on sparrows or on the wall! Into milk! just to feel the spirit of the shot!

    In the army we went to the training ground every day, shot 5 horns from the AKS and so on for a year. Cleaned up a bit sick. To the question what for there are so many firing, we are already shooting like cowboys, the commander answered us that he had an order to dispose of cartridges. And then we thought to teach us how to shoot.))) 1993. was walking.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 23 March 2016 13: 06
      +1
      Ohrenet - but what about the resource of the trunk? Although it is chrome-plated, it will not survive 10 thousand shots!
  18. Mig-31
    Mig-31 23 March 2016 11: 51
    +2
    Quote: Dryuya2
    a little positive good
    2-3 days only a photo flickered, and now the video appeared
    balm straight to the soul
    almost did not forget 18+
    ====
    SYRIA Capture of a gang that destroyed a helicopter of the Russian Aerospace Forces

    They would be burned alive as they burned MI-8
    1. blind
      blind 23 March 2016 15: 44
      0
      Well done Syrians, had a warm welcome
  19. darksoul
    darksoul 23 March 2016 11: 54
    0
    Almost off topic, MI-28 in Iraq is very impressive
  20. lopvlad
    lopvlad 23 March 2016 12: 01
    +1
    Quote: Megatron
    Or for exercises


    for the conscript to work? .No, thanks.
    Send to the Donbass to bring down dill helicopters and drones.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 March 2016 12: 10
      +1
      To Donbass send

      That is, you don’t mind people from Donbass?
  21. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 23 March 2016 12: 11
    0
    And why Africa, why not sell it on the cheap?
  22. drilled
    drilled 23 March 2016 12: 19
    +1
    Dispose of them in Yemen and Kurds
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 March 2016 12: 29
    0
    By the way, please tell me, why on the MANPADS latticed fool right in front of the shooter? The review closes ... Is this some kind of cooling?
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 23 March 2016 13: 07
      +1
      This is an antenna unit and a radio command module friend / foe
  24. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 23 March 2016 12: 47
    +2
    Before disposing of the old, you need to get a new one, and not vice versa. But how would you not stay with your bare hands, given the constant disruption in the delivery of new equipment to the troops.
  25. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 23 March 2016 13: 17
    +1
    We cannot supply these complexes to either the Hussites or the Kurds. According to the contract, these complexes are subject to strict international reporting and are delivered only to government agencies. Syrians do not need a delay, they have enough normal ones. And the barmalei shoot by stolen in Iraq and Syria from the seized warehouses.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 March 2016 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      We cannot supply these complexes to either the Hussites or the Kurds. According to the contract, these complexes are subject to strict international reporting and are delivered only to government agencies.


      Do many Americans or Israelis adhere to "strict international accountability"?
      1. midivan
        midivan 23 March 2016 15: 59
        +3
        Quote: sherp2015
        Do many Americans or Israelis adhere to "strict international accountability"?

        Americans have legalized same-sex marriage, in Europe, "men" are hammering in the ass, so what are we going to look up to? I often see here, I have the honor, so can you continue in this spirit? or roll down to rotten hucksters who shove around the world not a product but a set-up? well, yes, so we will definitely conquer the market fool PS this is not only for you, but for everyone who writes like that
  26. blind
    blind 23 March 2016 15: 32
    0
    give the Kurds without a bazaar. ovskie earplugs supplied the barmalei with birds from which our 8 was finished off. What other concerns could there be ???
  27. sw6513
    sw6513 23 March 2016 17: 12
    0
    If they are still functional then why not transfer them to Syria - there is someone to use it on, and the money is intact and as if useful ..
  28. mamont5
    mamont5 24 March 2016 12: 00
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    Quote: maxiban
    Definitely they will emerge in Syria. Expired exploitation is dangerous here.

    If only to pass them on to the Kurds, as a "gift" for our sworn Turkish "friends"