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Kiev and Donetsk voiced data on the losses of each other in recent days in the conflict zone

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Representatives of the Ukrainian military intelligence report significant losses of the DPR militia in the Yasinovataya-Avdiivka square. Recall that the Ukrainian security forces continue to carry out shelling of the territory of the DPR and provocations against the troops of the people's republic. According to UNIAN, referring to the Ukrainian military intelligence, the loss of the NPT in the period from 16 to 21 in March amounted to 27 people killed and 34 injured. Against this background, Mr. Poroshenko declares that Ukraine “strictly observes the Minsk agreements”, and against this background the special monitoring group of the OSCE continues to keep quiet.


Kiev and Donetsk voiced data on the losses of each other in recent days in the conflict zone


In fact, confirming the fact that the Minsk agreements finally ordered to live long, the deputy commander of the DPR corps, Eduard Basurin, after the announcement by the Ukrainian side of the significant losses of soldiers of the army of the people's republic, cited data on the losses of the Ukrainian side. At the same time in the statement of Colonel Basurin, who leads the portal "Donetsk News Agency", it is said that the main losses of Kiev are connected with the "uncontrolled firing commanders and non-statutory relations":

According to the generalized data of our intelligence, since March 1, 2016, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 183 people killed and 310 wounded, mainly due to improper relationships, security breaches, as well as uncontrolled commanders firing artillery, tanks and rifle weapons. At the same time, according to official data, voiced by ATO headquarters, 16 died during March, the 63 of the Ukrainian military was wounded, which indicates a significant underestimation of their losses by the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to prevent a wave of protests by Ukrainians against the punitive operation in Donbas.


In fact, in the Donbass, a bloody conflict flared up in the Donbass, which continues to claim dozens of lives every day. And this fully corresponds to the interests of those who brought the Maidan radicals and new representatives of the oligarchy to power.
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  1. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 March 2016 06: 45
    +25
    A much more important thing is to stop losses than to compare them ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 23 March 2016 06: 48
      +15
      This "meat grinder" will periodically turn on, unfortunately! Because among politicians, few are interested in peace, and only when the people themselves are fed up with blood will there be a chance to stop the carnage! In the meantime, the people of Ukraine are still drugged and demand war to the bitter end ...
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 23 March 2016 07: 45
        +14
        Quote: Finches
        In the meantime, the people of Ukraine are still stupefied and demand war to a victorious end ...

        You know, this dope has no end, and apparently it spreads there for free.
        The other day a message came from friends, from there, from To Ukraine))))
        In three words. You do not understand what is happening in Ukraine, In the ATO, they are fighting the sex of the class, and they know everything from the first hand, and say they stop carrying bullshit like your TV, but watch ours.
        And it's like a carbon copy, people from different cities say.
        It is sad that the anti-Russian mood intensified among those who didn’t ride, but it was pleasant that those who had jumped, their tail pressed and didn’t squeal about Putin and evil Russia, now these horses swallowed shit, they faced problems personally, because when politics comes to house and beats on personal interests, for some reason the horses sober up and grow wiser.
        So we are waiting for a couple of years, when those who were sober under the Maidan were intoxicated now, and when they were sober.
        I wrote to them like that, when I don’t want to have a drink at all, then we will conduct dialogue and conversations.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 23 March 2016 07: 56
          +9
          Quote: Sirocco
          when I’m gonna slurp at the most I don’t want, then we will conduct a dialogue

          That's right!
          I like that answer awesome.
          But isn’t it a sign of schizophrenia to evaluate its awareness on the principle of
          Quote: Sirocco
          stop carrying bullshit like your TV, and watch ours.
          ?
          A more or less sane, experienced person perfectly understands what the media are, and many "who are fighting in the ATO" are "lying as eyewitnesses".
          Advocacy is not treated. That will immediately capture another opinion - say, war is not needed, fratricidal, etc.
          That is, until they get a hold of oneself both at the front and in the rear of the mind, they will not increase and insight will not come.
          1. cniza
            cniza 23 March 2016 08: 17
            +3
            Quote: Pvi1206
            A much more important thing is to stop losses than to compare them ...


            All the efforts of the Kiev junta indicate the opposite. It's time to delete them as participants in the process.
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        2. Foxtrot-krim
          Foxtrot-krim 23 March 2016 08: 57
          0
          In a couple of years there will be no one to fight there at all.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 23 March 2016 06: 48
      +13
      Quote: Pvi1206
      183 people killed and 310 wounded, mainly due to hazing, security breaches

      Well, with such unreliable relations, dill will shoot themselves. request
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 23 March 2016 07: 13
        +10
        Quote: vovanpain
        Well, with such unreliable relations, dill will shoot themselves.

        But Donetsk and Lugansk will be easier. hi
    3. Mobius
      Mobius 23 March 2016 07: 39
      +10
      Quote: Pvi1206
      A much more important thing is to stop losses than to compare them ...


      To stop losses, it is necessary at least to "curtail" ATO.

      The junta will not go to this step, for it is like death. There is an option with the overthrow of the junta by the Ukrainians themselves.

      But this is not yet considered, unfortunately ...

      Therefore, either the junta Donbass will "beat", or the junta, the ax-head.

      1. crumb
        crumb 23 March 2016 08: 43
        +1
        clip to the very point! laughing
  2. Приговор
    Приговор 23 March 2016 06: 51
    +8
    27 people is too much. Just imagine: grief came to twenty-seven families. Someone has lost a husband, son, father ... In my opinion, it’s time for us to stop pretending that nothing special is happening in the Donbass. In the end, when some people got luli, France and Germany came to us precisely for this Minsk-2.
  3. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 23 March 2016 06: 52
    +4
    Bandera bastard can calm only the kingdom of Hades.
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 23 March 2016 06: 53
    +17
    And why is there a loss, for Kiev it’s all pah, there’s already gathered and new ones to collect ...
    But there are few contractors. And the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has proposed the Verkhovna Rada to lower the draft age in 18 to 17 years. And rightly so, why rock the public outraged by the appeals of underage guys, what happens every next wave of mobilization, if everything can be approved officially. And those who will shout about lawlessness after that, put in prison for separatism or according to another law, which can also be thought up without any problems.

    To reduce the draft age to 17 years, all conditions have long been created. This is an increase in hours of physical and military training in schools, and the introduction of lessons in patriotic education in the lower grades. Also, one cannot ignore children's military camps, where little boys and even girls are actively undergoing military training. A striking example is the “Azovets”, where “juvenile patriots” are taught to disassemble and assemble real firearms, the rules for firing from them, behavior on the battlefield and more.

    Again, no one yells "they are". After all, school graduates need to be arranged somewhere, and where, if there is no vocational school, there is no way to cram into the remaining institutes, there is no work ... so I went to graduation to ATO.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 23 March 2016 07: 53
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      after all, school graduates need to be arranged somewhere, and where, if there are no vocational schools, they cannot be crammed into the remaining institutes, there is no work ... so I walked off the graduation and to the ATO.

      A kind of Hitler Youth in Ukrainian. Moreover, everything is already ready, imagine a 10-year-old boy, from Svidomo, in two years turned into a wild beast (There, the father is a nationalist, brought up his own kind with the help of the school) There is nothing to talk about with him, all friendship is in vain with such friends . I’m silent about the 20-30 year olds. There are, of course, adequate ones, but somehow it annoys what has been going on there for the last month. (Russophobia)
    2. avt
      avt 23 March 2016 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      And why is there a loss, for Kiev it’s all pah, there’s already gathered and new ones to collect ...

      request Such a normal method of disposal through the call into the surgical waste of the Armed Forces. Remember, at the dawn of the Maidan, he wrote - Ukrainians will be brought out as a biological species to the level of 10 million raguly in the territory of their current residence. Well, the plans are being implemented in the current time regime - immigration and utilization of the active generation, by age, and the elderly introduce pricing into a state of impossibility of survival. Everything is as we have in the 90s with Chubais - whoever does not fit into the market, well, let them die out.
  5. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 23 March 2016 06: 53
    +14
    Perhaps my comment on the article will not like a certain part of the regular users of this Internet resource, but nevertheless - I’m interested in the opinion of my colleagues on this issue - is it really so or is it a fake or just a provocation with an informational throw from the side of certain circles:
    In a week or two, diesel fuel supplies from Russia to Ukraine by rail will resume. Experts have estimated that we are talking about a volume exceeding 70 thousand tons of diesel fuel per month. It is reported that previously imposed restrictions were lifted by the efforts of the Lukoil administration, which had “bent” the Russian Federal Service for Technical and Export Control. So the rumors about the upcoming offensive of the Ukrainian army in the Donbass are confirmed - they postponed the demarche precisely because of a lack of diesel fuel.
    The continuation of the tank attacks of the Donbass of the Ukrainian army required at least 50 thousand tons of diesel fuel per month in addition to the volumes that they received before the spring of this year. Over the past year, Ukraine imported 19 thousand tons of diesel fuel from Russia, 24 thousand tons from Poland, and 92 thousand tons from Lithuania. The Ukrainian military acutely felt the lack of "black blood of war." True, the Belarusian “partners” helped Kiev: from January to October inclusively Minsk delivered 150 thousand tons of diesel fuel to Ukraine, but in November - in just a month! - 272 thousand tons of diesel fuel were delivered! This almost solved all questions regarding the upcoming offensive in the Donbass, but, as calculated by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, diesel fuel might not be enough. We decided to wait for spring. Meanwhile, the contract of the Ukrainian defense department for the supply of diesel fuel last December was won by the Mozyr Oil Refinery in Belarus, which offered to replenish the tanks with Ukrainian “armor” for $ 4,1 million. Yes, and in order to put all the points above “ё”: the Mozyr diesel fuel, of course, is made from Russian oil. So, in fact, the Belarus brothers successfully circumvented the Russian restriction on trade with Ukraine.
    Seeing this situation, it seems that Lukoil decided not to lose profit due to some kind of restriction. “The full embargo will be lifted, now Russian manufacturers are offering their resources,” a Kommersant source said. Thus, - the political scientist Lev Vershinin says ironically, “the activities of the Ukrainian military were difficult without Russian diesel fuel, but thanks to the efforts of Lukoil, which was able to obtain permission from the FSTEC to supply diesel fuel, the Ukrainian military was able to use Russian diesel fuel in the“ ATO zone ”, Which, of course, will facilitate their activities. Draw your own conclusions. ”
    Today at a meeting with senior and middle-level army leaders in Kiev, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko warned of testing new types of missiles in the Donbass - they should begin this week. Military experts believe that the tests that the president of Ukraine warned of are nothing more than a military attack on the DPR and LPR. Now it’s possible, now in Ukrainian tanks the Russian diesel fuel is finally splashing in enough to storm Donetsk.
    source - http://warfiles.ru/show-112605-vesennee-nastuplenie-ukrainskie-tankisty-smogut-d
    oehat-do-donbassa.html
    Is it really all the same - "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear"?
    I have the honor.
    1. larand
      larand 23 March 2016 07: 05
      +15
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      Is it really all the same - "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear"?
      I have the honor.

      "There is no such crime that capital will not go for the sake of profit" - from Karl Marx
      1. Mobius
        Mobius 23 March 2016 08: 15
        +4
        Quote: larand
        "There is no such crime that capital will not go for the sake of profit" - from Karl Marx


        Yes, it is clear that "our" oligarchs will not let "theirs" disappear.

        Not even this is more outraged, but the fact that there is still a strong bond between the oligarchic structures and our government. After all, these deeds are cranked up without fear, cynically and openly ...

        Here's what we can assume after that, and how to assess the long-moldy reports: "Putin has deprived the oligarchs of the opportunity to influence the foreign and domestic policy of the state"?

        Who is walking on whom?


    2. Finches
      Finches 23 March 2016 07: 12
      +4
      In the world of big money, human decency is a bad man! Capitalism is a very rotten political and economic formation, when not universal values ​​are put at the forefront, but only profit-making in any way!
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 23 March 2016 07: 30
      +2
      Is the sowing campaign canceled this year? 70 thousand tons per month - how much does a tractor eat when plowing? Not a tank, of course, but Dill needs to sow a decent area - almost 40 million. Is it necessary to feed the population with something? And how much do they eat three hundred tanks at a "liter per kilometer" consumption? Thirty tons? What is the stuffing about? Is Russia supplying Banderia with diesel fuel to attack the Donbass? So Belarusians send many times more. And the volume is needed there - several thousand tons. Not to attack Moscow, it is not so far to Donbass.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 March 2016 08: 38
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        but dill should be planted a decent area - almost 40 million. Is it necessary to feed the population with something?

        Wow! "You need dill," then take it out and put it down? Nobody even thinks to feed the population! For this, they will launch European products. But those firms that have rented land here for 40 years, let them bring their own fuel from Europe. So don't think that Lukoil thinks about the unfortunate people.
      2. Mobius
        Mobius 23 March 2016 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Dill should be planted a decent area - almost 40 million. Population feed what you need?


        You must be our heart yes ... And not to be modest, but to let the columns of the Emergency Situations Ministry's fuel trucks, with an inscription on the sides of the tanks: " PEOPLE OF RUSSIA - PEOPLE DONBASS OF UKRAINE "

        WILL LOOK ... IN good
    4. Sirocco
      Sirocco 23 March 2016 12: 30
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      Is it really all the same - "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear"?

      Honestly, I have doubts about this, it’s like in a joke about the Arabo-Israeli conflict,
      The Israeli side towards the Arabs ---- tra that that.
      The Arab side towards Israel ----- that and that.
      And so many times.
      The Israeli side, that one.
      Arabs, silence.
      Israel, that and that.
      Arabs, silence.
      Israel, a soldier from the trench shouts to the Arabs, why not shoot?
      Arabs, ammunition ran out.
      Israel, well, come to us, we will sell a little to you.
      Well, on the topic.
      Is it not for this reason that the Belarusian brothers were cut off oil supplies from the Russian Federation?
      Recall that Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich recommended that Tatneft and Gazprom stop delivering petroleum products to Belarus after a complaint from the Federal Customs Service, which found the export to the Republic of the Customs Union to be suspicious last year.
      Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2942397
  6. alex-cn
    alex-cn 23 March 2016 06: 54
    +6
    "after the announcement by the Ukrainian side of significant losses of servicemen of the army of the people's republic"
    And after all, no one ... in Europe will ask where the losses come from, even if the mission recognized the occupation of the gray zone by the Ukrovskys ...
  7. domokl
    domokl 23 March 2016 07: 03
    +3
    Underestimating your losses and increasing enemy losses is common practice. Otherwise they will ask from above. And the fact that the war is in full swing has been clear for a long time. They cannot come yet. Mud. But to beat on the positions of artillery and mortars completely.
    It will dry out and start ... If you do not fight, then there are no options for obtaining the next tranches for Kiev. Frost left with the advent of spring. Conflict unfreezes ...
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 23 March 2016 07: 07
    +2
    quote by Alexander72

    Is it really all the same - "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear"?

    This has always been and will be, unfortunately, and the supply of solariums will be explained by the need to help the sowing company ... Headless.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 March 2016 07: 18
      +12
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Is it really all the same - "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear"?
      This has always been and will be, unfortunately, and the supply of solariums will be explained by the need to help the sowing company ... Headless.

  9. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 23 March 2016 07: 31
    0
    A lascivious reptile with a drenched face still dares to talk about compliance with the Minsk agreements, when normal people in Ukraine will burst with patience and overthrow this wimp. .
  10. vobels
    vobels 23 March 2016 07: 35
    +2
    ..And there is a note in the notebook: "Lukoil - delete it!" ..
  11. sgr291158
    sgr291158 23 March 2016 07: 38
    +3
    Sorry for the people, but something needs to be done. How much more will they kill with impunity. But the OSCE will not see and hear anything to drive the filthy broom from there. Well, no sense from them.
  12. siberalt
    siberalt 23 March 2016 07: 42
    +1
    On the eastern front unchanged. More and more deputies of the Rada are demanding that Proshenko either declare war on Russia, or stop wagging his tongue and fulfilling Minsk pleas.
  13. nrex
    nrex 23 March 2016 08: 06
    +1
    And not one excuse the European b ... does not see these killings. In the media there is a lot of noise around Brussels, and at least one of them thought that, letting this happen, the Almighty is trying to reach their two-faced mind? What goes around comes around.
    1. seregina68
      seregina68 23 March 2016 08: 47
      0
      Quote: nrex
      And not one excuse the European b ... does not see these killings. In the media there is a lot of noise around Brussels, and at least one of them thought that, letting this happen, the Almighty is trying to reach their two-faced mind? What goes around comes around.

      And Federica Mogherini yesterday even shed a tear over the victims of Brussels ... in the Donbass, she sees no victims.
  14. Azovian
    Azovian 23 March 2016 08: 07
    +2
    The loss ratio of 27 \ 34 is in doubt. This does not happen. Objectively, it should be 1: 3, 1: 5. Unfortunately, such statistics.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 23 March 2016 13: 24
      0
      I thought so too. Well, maybe this also speaks of the effectiveness of sniper fire, they often recall snipers in the Yasinovataya-Avdeevka area.
  15. asiat_61
    asiat_61 23 March 2016 08: 33
    +2
    Now I am watching with one eye the news of Petrograd, not a word about Donbas.
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 March 2016 09: 26
    0
    The clouds are gathering. And in my opinion they are being pushed to attack. It is evident that a decision has been made, the problem of Donbass, to be resolved by armed means. The moment of truth is approaching.
  17. Vladimir
    Vladimir 23 March 2016 10: 00
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    On the eastern front unchanged. More and more deputies of the Rada are demanding that Proshenko either declare war on Russia, or stop wagging his tongue and fulfilling Minsk pleas.

    To declare war on Russia, Poroshenko’s gut is thin, and wagging his tongue and something to promise is already in the blood.
  18. Siberia
    Siberia 23 March 2016 10: 04
    0
    Normal such a "truce" ...
  19. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 23 March 2016 11: 08
    +1
    It is necessary to completely close the Russian market for Ukraine (as yet Ukrainian. Goods come to Russia) and close the daughters of Russian banks in Ukraine, of course, eq. losses, but 7 troubles - one answer. Justification - failure to comply with the Minsk agreements.
  20. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 23 March 2016 11: 16
    0
    most likely they’ll shoot at each other not the army, but a gang of chaos moraders and murderers
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 March 2016 11: 34
    0
    No matter how, the main thing is to reduce the number of banderlogs who want to subjugate the Donbass.
  22. koshmarik
    koshmarik 23 March 2016 11: 43
    +2
    It is not necessary to take seriously information on mutual losses, since the underestimation of one’s losses and the exaggeration of enemy losses is an axiom of a military propaganda war.
  23. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 23 March 2016 12: 00
    0
    And there’s nothing to be happy about, the Russians are shooting at the Russians! Lord, when will they come to their senses, they will understand that the enemies are not on the line of contact.
  24. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 23 March 2016 16: 01
    0
    The Ukrainian side is out of the question of any compliance with the Minsk agreements. APU militants themselves are talking about this openly, and with this development of events, the general will soon recognize it.
    Ordinary “most-most” armies in the world are increasingly streaming information about the real situation on the demarcation line and orders that the generals give to bypass the Minsk agreements. Kiev was not going to comply with its obligations, and, apparently, uses a strategy of slow seizure of the territories of the republics, supposedly defending itself and firing back. Just wondering, who are they shooting back from? The militia holy observes all points of Minsk and only defends.
    One of the so-called "heroes" of the ATO, under the nickname Martin Brest, posted on the social network a confession in the criminal actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that violate all the norms of international law. Punishers are slowly moving deeper into the DNI by order from above. Over the past month alone, they have captured about 80 kilometers of Donetsk territory.
    APU Minsk1
    Ruthlessly shelling settlements and killing civilians, Ukrainian warriors are preparing an attack in the very heart of the DPR. The operation is led from Kiev, and always blind OSCE observers cover up the criminal activities of the Ukrainian army. Poroshenko never intended to abandon the bloody massacre. This is the only thing that somehow keeps the regime afloat.
    Now that the Western partners have practically refused to finance their naughty clowns and thereby untied the hands of the “chocolate” oligarch, a new round of civil war is being prepared. The Ukrainian army is trying in every way to erase the Donbass from the face of the earth. And the inhabitants of the DPR were again faced with a mortal threat.


    What else can be added.