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Notes of the Colorado Cockroach. Why do we hate Russians so much, or How we became different people

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Greetings to you, dear readers. Do not be surprised, but today I will not write about Ukraine. I will not show the next quotes of the government and the president of our long-suffering country. I will not even write about future peremoga and zradah.


Notes of the Colorado Cockroach. Why do we hate Russians so much, or How we became different people


Today about Ukrainians. About why we do not understand you, and you us. Why Ukrainians believe any crazy stuff, if it speaks of Russia. About why there are so few "cockroaches".

In part, this article is caused by the presence in the comments on events in Ukraine at least one, and often quite a large number, comments in the style: what do you write, grab the machine gun and run to destroy the junta! Here we, the readers (and the comment from the readers) would do that. We are not such cowards as Ukrainians! Even a direct question about this was asked to me.

I do not pretend to somehow compare, who and what more. Brave Russian, or not. Just yesterday I looked at the mass grave of the times of the Great Patriotic War near the house. The usual grave, what thousands in Russia, Belarus, in Ukraine. Yes, almost all European countries. I looked at the names of those who lie there.

Yes, there are more Russians than Ukrainians, Belarusians or Kazakhs, Armenians, Yakuts, Georgians. What only surnames are not there. The USSR was a multinational country. There were just more Russians. But lie in the grave together. Together! And try to those who survived after the battle, say that some Ivanov fought much better than Sidorenko or Petrovich ... And Sagdulaev and Goridze fought no worse than that. And lay down in one battle. Protecting each other. And together their homeland.

Today I want to reflect on why we, their grandchildren and great-grandchildren, became enemies. I understand that now someone will urgently start writing that the junta and the people are different concepts. The people sleep and see themselves as Russians. A nasty junta does not. Alas, but you are mistaken. It is sad to admit it, but ... you are mistaken.

Let me remind your comments to my notes. Comments about how wonderful people, your friends, suddenly turned into your enemies. How you were accused of the war in Ukraine. How your relatives spit into the phone and wished you all kinds of misfortunes. Such cases are not one and not two. Hundreds, thousands ... And believe me, they did it sincerely. Heartily. And their hatred is not foiled. This is not the answer to the call under the control of the SBU.

So why did this happen?

Today, the answer to this question is given by any political TV program. "We, Russia, 23, did not do anything to bind Ukraine to us ... But the United States invested as much as 5 billion dollars and ... tied." Either it is even funnier - “Ukrainian propaganda, through the media, delivers strictly metered propaganda,” “the Ukrainian media print anti-Russian pearls, inventing them daily.”

And they say this about a country where the level of education in the Soviet period was no less than Russian. Well, did the Russian intelligentsia remain educated and thinking, while the Ukrainian intelligentsia suddenly degraded? Stop thinking? No, the roots of the problem are much deeper. Or vice versa, lie on the surface. Which side to look at.

Do you remember the image of a Ukrainian who was still painted by Soviet propaganda? If it is Kharkov or Donbass, then Ukrainian is a sort of shirt-guy. Ready to slaughter or plant. In the company of the same simple, but attractively good-natured men. At home, beautiful wife. And everything is fine with them.

If this village, then there is a completely different Ukrainian. Economic, stingy, ready for his fight. If this is a collective farm, then the chairman will necessarily “pull everything” in the area for the collective farm people. If the farm, the owner is already for his family. And it was perceived as the norm. As courage and uncompromising Siberians, as the courage of the inhabitants of the Arctic, as cockiness Caucasians.

After the collapse of the USSR, a “collapse” occurred in the heads of its former citizens. Landmarks later life were lost. A simple algorithm of life, which was perceived by all as the norm, suddenly ceased to act. Remember - nursery, kindergarten, school (if you study well - 10 classes, if bad - vocational school or technical school), institute. Then work. Army service for men. In 35-40 - apartment from the state. The next stage - the car and cottage. Pension, on which you can live with dignity ...

Ukraine inherited from the "damned past" a lot more than the rest. Developed industry, GTS, excellent network of roads, the Crimea, the fleet, three military districts with all the property. And then ... Then we began to live in exactly the same way as the hinterland of Russia still lives. I'm not talking about the central district. I'm talking about the Urals, Siberia, the Far East.

We began to live "a little later than Moscow." Years on 5-10. The fact that in Moscow was 5 years ago, appeared and with us. Basically, it was good. Ukrainians, even Kyivans, experimented less. We, just like the Russian hinterland, perceived your events of 91 and 93's. Moscow is frantic.

But it was then that the first grain of hatred towards the Russians was put in our heads. And this was the first grain famine. Exactly. The Holodomor as a Russian attitude to the Ukrainians. Russians starved Ukrainians. On a national basis. This stuff has been exaggerated for many years. The generation that believed it grew. And we already do not care that people in the Volga region and other regions of Russia starved and died in the same way. The main thing is that the Russians killed Ukrainians on purpose!

The next such grain was Chechnya. Yes, it was Chechnya who first brought to the first roles our future “heroes”. The most svidomye Ukrainian guys went to help fight for the freedom of the Chechen people. To fight against whom? Yes, against those who killed Chechens during the deportation period, those who today are against the freedom of these proud highlanders. Ukrainians and Chechens have become like brothers.

And Russia, instead of "putting pressure" on the Ukrainian government, to catch our future fascists on our territory, proudly pretended that there were no Ukrainian mercenaries. It turns out today that everyone knew everything. And about all. And then the bandits became heroes in the eyes of our boys. They kind of continued the work of their great-grandfathers. Those who stood for the freedom of Ukraine. And the most disgusting, the fascists were then perceived as continuing the cause of our partisans. Not all nationalists and fascists henchmen, namely the partisans.

It then appeared competent psychologists among the curators. It was then that boys and girls began to be attracted by their beautiful form and the ability to play "war games" with real rifles and in real caches.

By the way, it was the same in Russia at that time. Remember RNE and similar organizations. Nationalists openly strolled across Russian cities. And then they represented the real force.

But, besides the field of hatred for the Russians, there was another field in Ukraine. A field about which no one speaks at all. The heads of Ukrainians' superiority over the Russians have been thrown into our heads. What you read in the Ukrainian social networks today.

Russia, realizing that the Ukrainian industry would quickly “bend” without Russian orders, and partly for the sake of economy, constantly “loaded” Ukrainian enterprises with orders. Even to the detriment of himself. We had no problems with work. We had no problems with the market.

You thought you were saving us. And we understood differently. More precisely, we were inspired by another. Is Russia building helicopters? So what? Let them fly without our engines. Ships? Yeah ... And all the serious stuff from where? Rockets? Well, yes ... where "Satan" was produced? Simple truths were hammered into our heads. Russia without Ukraine zilch. And all this against the background of a real decline in production in Russia. Against the background of the closure of enterprises.

And in the end, our rulers have achieved their. Most Ukrainians believed in their exclusivity. Believe in the fact that Russia weight on our feet. It is Russia that is preventing us from going to a bright, rich European future with a cheerful step. We believed that our factories would be demanded by Europeans. We believed that our agriculture would be a salvation from starvation for Europe. We believed that our engineers and technicians would become the coveted employees of leading western firms. We believed that we Ukrainians are a really brilliant nation. We are intelligent, well-educated, genetically superior to the northern neighbor. Let me remind you the classic "moss for Russian".

Believe sincerely. And this belief formed the basis of all that happened next. This belief moves today the majority of Ukrainians.

Most recently, the Kiev International Institute of Sociology conducted a survey among citizens of Ukraine. The results of this survey will not please you. 63% of Ukrainians are sure that we are at war with Russia. Sure! 65% know for sure that there are Russian troops in Ukraine. And only 18% say that there is no war.

I cited figures only for you to understand: there is no insight among Ukrainians. There is a part that was pro-Russian from the very beginning, but the bulk of them are “fighting”.

Of course, among those who are for the war, some of them responded as for personal security reasons (the SBU is tough enough with domestic separatists), but the majority answered sincerely.

And you know what the ugliest thing in this whole situation? The most vile thing is that the lack of unity of our nation "plays" against Russia. More precisely, the absence of the Ukrainian nation as such. We both were, and remained "patchwork". At least four colors. West, center, east, Tatars ...

And today we blame Russia for what is happening. Two years ago, we shouted: Maidan is the speech of the Ukrainian people for Ukraine! Today: Maidan is organized by Russia to destroy the Ukrainian statehood! And how many such examples? I do not even want to bring. In any place where it is already impossible to hide the anti-Ukrainian actions of the authorities, there is a separatist associated with the Russian FSB. For us, Putin has become an icon. Most Ukrainians today know more about Putin than any Russian.

What has been going on in Russia for many years is happening in Ukraine. I am about the national idea. Russia, I think, has found this idea. I found it in the unity of the people, in the power of the state. In the statehood, if you want. Today you feel yourself responsible for the world. Or maybe for the Earth. You are back to the idea of ​​the Great Russians.

We have this process went a completely different way. Our national idea for today is that Russians are to blame for all our troubles. We are looking for an idea outside of Ukraine. We are looking for an enemy. When there is nothing that unites the people, the only way to save the state is to invent an external enemy.

I do not know how my friends will take these notes, but the enemies will be exactly happy. The cockroach revealed its anti-Russian insides. The cockroach is the enemy of Russia.

I have a normal gut. And I love Russia. Just write what lies in my heart. What the soul hurts about. I deeply care about the attitude of my fellow citizens to the Russians. I deeply care about the attitude of Russians towards us. I considered and consider us one people. He wrote about it repeatedly. And today I just tried to find the origins of what is happening with us. Find and show. To in Russia this did not happen. So you understand how easy it is to lose your homeland. Lose and not notice it.

And the humor will be in the next notes. Especially since I'm not alone. There is a cockroach, there is a Vyshivanok, there are militias ... And while we are there, you will not be bored. Every day we chebuchim something. As the hero of Yarmolnik said in one famous film: "It seems to me, it was a comedy." I hope after this phrase the artist will not be included in the anti-Ukrainian list. So wait for "comedies".

I say goodbye to this. I apologize to those who expected “Hochma” today. But there are thoughts like that.
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  1. satris
    satris 23 March 2016 06: 40
    +48
    Not quite so: the ideas of nationalism and superiority existed before - remember, for example, the "widespread Ukraine" from Makarenko's "Pedagogical Poem". Everyone wants to think and believe that he is the best. But for some reason, it was in the vastness of Ukraine that this weed bloomed especially with a double color.
    1. Volga Cossack
      Volga Cossack 23 March 2016 06: 56
      +78
      this weed was watered, fertilized thoroughly ......... and thanks to Tarakash for the article !!!!! let me go and sad ...
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 23 March 2016 17: 39
        +19
        Today I want to reflect on why we, their grandchildren and great-grandchildren, became enemies.

        Someone in 91 decided to become independent. Do you remember? Although the people of the USSR in the spring said NO to the division of the country.

        Among the separated - Ukraine.

        We did not persecute anyone.

        And the war is only against the Nazis and terrorists.
        If the great-grandson of a Soviet soldier became a fascist, then this is his problem.

        Hitler also had a grandfather, but this fact does not make him cute.
        Fascists are not born. Fascists are becoming aware.
        And we will consciously crush the Nazis.
        Like our fathers and grandfathers.

        And let the rest live in peace.
        They live as they wish.
        And we are not prevented from living the way we want.
        1. lulec
          lulec 24 March 2016 10: 24
          -2
          The author of the article justifies mass Russophobia in Ukraine and nothing more! According to him, again Putin is to blame for everything! The states have invested as much as 5 billion, and the fact that Russia has only UNRESTRUCTIVELY invested 15 billion in uraine over the past 53 years is either unknown to the author or very little compared to 5, because they did not go to incite hatred, but to make people live better, so they lived much richer than us, thanks to us, but the mythical famine was raised to the shield by these educated thinking intelligentsia!
          1. leytenant
            leytenant 24 March 2016 11: 12
            +13
            Well, what are you writing !!!!!! Whom exactly does the author JUSTIFY ??? Or read a line after ten and wishful thinking really ??? The author analyzes the current situation, gives the reasons that, in his personal opinion, served as a negative attitude of Ukrainians towards Russians. And the conclusion of this article is indicated for us: to understand the essence of our national idea and appreciate it, since it is the strength of our multinational people, the strength of Russia: "About the national idea. Russia, it seems to me, has found this idea. Found it in the unity of the people. , in the power of the state. In the statehood, if you like. Today you feel responsible for the world. Or maybe for the Earth. You have returned to the idea of ​​the Great Russians .... So that you understand how easy it is to lose your homeland. To lose and not notice it. "
        2. iouris
          iouris 24 March 2016 23: 39
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir16
          We did not persecute anyone.

          You just forgot. And space was cursed and the military after 1) the downing of Boeing-747, 2) after Sobchak's report on the events in Tbilisi, 3) after Vilnius. And how many supporters of the liberation of the "oppressed Balts" were there in Moscow (by the way, no one made any noise about the "oppressed Uzbeks")?
          I repeat once again: it was not nationalism that destroyed the USSR, but nationalism and even Nazism - a direct consequence of the introduction of capitalism in the USSR, because for this, it was necessary, under any pretext, not to let one's neighbor even touch the stolen and immediately become sacred private property in the means of production.
      2. lulec
        lulec 24 March 2016 10: 15
        0
        This article is a complete distortion of the facts! Again Putin is to blame for everything, but the Ukrainians have the brains, the education, and in general everything that is needed and was there, but for some reason, it wasn’t enough to see that Russia left ALL DEBTS FOR HIMSELF, and everything was allocated to Ukrainians all the way to gold stock, and this means that Russia was killing Ukrainians? Or is it more like to believe a fictional famine? To teach children and learn to make up fictitious stories on their own as invented, why does any fifth-grader calmly see inconsistencies, and Ukrainians believe in the sea dug by them? Why doesn’t any of them bother, what a 5! years they came first from ukrov, then from the Scythians, then it is generally unknown from whom, because all civilization went from them, and today from the Rus? I don’t even want to talk about anything further, and so everything is clear!
        1. Vkill
          Vkill 25 March 2016 12: 18
          +2
          The author writes not that Putin is guilty, but about real facts. The fact that Russia has long turned away from the problems of its neighbor (although it helped with orders) and turned a blind eye to the growing Bandera-Nazi movements. So they got it - 65% are "at war" with Russia.
          Glory to Gd that my relatives in Kharkov did not get this rubbish and we are still in excellent relations.
          1. Felix
            Felix 25 March 2016 20: 00
            +1
            Quote: VKill
            The fact that Russia has long turned away from the problems of its neighbor (although it helped with orders) and turned a blind eye to the growing Bandera-Nazi movements. So they got it - 65% are "at war" with Russia.


            Did Russia have to abandon its people, its problems, forget about pensioners who burned bonfires in the queues for retirement, and deal with Ukraine?
            Throw you. No need to look for the guilty outside the country, they are all inside Ukraine. And do not forget about the people, 25 years time after time, bring thieves to power only because they promise to go even further from Russia? Yes easily! I do not know, of course, but with the deepest respect for the Cockroach hi , I’m ready to challenge his thesis about the equal intellectual level of the intelligentsia of Russia and Ukraine - but to think that with the help of endless maidans you can make your life better is the height of stupidity ... And stepping on this rake every few years is also a sign of a great mind. And so, I’m sure, Russia’s fault is not here. There is a disease of adolescence when you want to be independent, but the mother gives little money ... But because the mother is to blame for everything.
            Ukraine is either sick or dies.
            But Bandera ... So, even in the mid-80s, nobody really drove them - in your opinion, is Russia also to blame?
      3. asr55
        asr55 10 November 2018 22: 45
        0
        This is not a weed, but a young generation, which should be given basic education in the family. And blame Russia and the United States for everything.
    2. domokl
      domokl 23 March 2016 06: 57
      +16
      Such ideas are in any nation. And they especially bloom during periods of recession ... but, for some reason, ideas in Ukraine began to revive during a period of relative stability ... To be honest, I don’t understand this.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 March 2016 08: 42
        +17
        Quote: domokl
        Such ideas are in any nation. And they especially bloom during periods of recession ... but, for some reason, ideas in Ukraine began to revive during a period of relative stability ... To be honest, I don’t understand this.

        Stability was apparently not so stable, plus we must remember the large number of unemployed in cities, mostly young. Young people are very reactionary and reckless, herd instinct, revolutionary ideas, the desire to radically change something - it is very easy to invest in teenage heads (let's say from 13 to 20 years old).
        Plus, it is necessary to take into account the precise work with this very youth - how many years have they been brought up under US programs? 20-25, so we count about 20 school issues with a "new story" in their heads, for those who got into the first in 30 years.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 23 March 2016 08: 56
        +9
        ... such a mentality - read Taras Shevchenko at one time he characterized the Ukrainians, Poles ..
      3. Belgorod
        Belgorod 23 March 2016 10: 08
        +11
        Such ideas exist in any nation. And they especially bloom during periods of recession ... but, for some reason, ideas in Ukraine began to revive in a period of relative stability ..

        These ideas have always been (and not only in Ukraine)
        1985 SKVO Belarusian and Ukrainian: "Ukraine and Belarus are feeding Russia"
      4. revnagan
        revnagan 23 March 2016 12: 08
        +20
        Quote: domokl
        for some reason, in Ukraine, ideas began to revive during a period of relative stability ...

        It was the stability of the cesspool. The rich lived steadily better and better, and the people consistently raised their wages by UAH 2 twice a year. and offered to "eat cabbage, it was ugly a lot." Stable chaos from cops, oligarchs and a stable hopeless future for people. It's no wonder that most people wanted to take it, and like this, in one fell swoop to change it all. But ... not everything changed, but only changed the people who were doing all this chaos in relation to people. In place of the arrogant, thieving and irresponsible temporary workers came exactly the same, only still hungry with an inferiority complex. The system has not changed, people were stupidly divorced. They have already understood this, only to confess in this to myself ... Is that how-so? I, such an intelligent and grown-up person, was deceived again? No, no, no, someone's ill will is clearly visible here. AHA! So, here, that's who is to blame! Putin! And mo.ska.li.! So what, that smart neighbor on the site predicted that everything will be so - he is also a "quilted jacket and Colorado!" .Not otherwise, sold out to the damned ...
        In general, the "Svidomo" in their troubles are to blame for all around. But they just wanted the best. This is their psychology, so it is convenient for them to live.
        1. wervolf
          wervolf 23 March 2016 23: 39
          +5
          I remember the 90s, I also remember the zhovto-blakitnye flags in the west and east, I also remember screaming about "nezalezhnaya" and "enough Moscow to feed", etc., no need to cry "Russian brother" will not come and
          does not want to feed you any more; there is no war, there are no Russian troops on the "ruin", slurp your shit ... but yourself
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 March 2016 16: 26
        +19
        domokl

        I explain to you and everyone how the system works
        eccentric wars.

        The first important principle. The basis of all the basics that it is important to understand everything else is the applied obvious things. The principle is old and works from the time of Noah's Ark. When it is forgotten, smart people come and enjoy having everyone in a row.

        Divide and rule.

        That sounds easy. But how to apply?

        That's how.

        A simple example. You arrived at the parking lot to the store. There are not many places and you see that someone has parked in two parking lots.

        What is it? This is selfish behavior. You are in a fit of anger ready to fill the face of the bespectacled nerd who parked crookedly. But as soon as you begin this interesting occupation. Do you find that a nerd sincerely does not understand what is the reason? What did he do wrong. A botanologist, candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, but does not understand what the problem is, although he understands that he took two parking lots.
        You got a conflict. When it is convenient to use the above principle.

        The question is why the nerd does not get into his mistake?

        Answer. Nerd in his childhood in the yard with the boys did not run and they did not teach him moral behavior.

        The general answer. If you need to create ethnic conflict, you need to change morality.

        Morality is a system of primary understanding in society. Morality is a survival system when you want to avoid conflict with a neighbor.

        I’ll say blasphemy now.

        Religion is not faith in God. God exists or not, regardless of the existence of religion.

        So, the task of religion is to control society through moral values ​​through god’s words.

        Religion is a thing of the past, as it lost to the media in the struggle for moral values.

        To change the morality of the media, on the basis of faith in their information, 3 months is enough.

        Within 3 months you will receive a conflict.

        Violation of the education system is the direct reason for the change in morality.

        Ideology is a changed morality.
        1. palm
          palm 23 March 2016 22: 39
          +2
          God exists whether you believe in it or not. Morality is formed on the basis of the religion professed by society. Another question is whose religious dogmas you will profess Jesus, Mohammedan, Buddha, and maybe Marx or Mao, Hitler or Pol Pot, these are your moral values ​​and such will be the ideology, love or hate. For example, Christian dogmas say: all who are not against us are with us. Communism: everyone who is not with us is against us.
        2. Kindzadza
          Kindzadza 24 March 2016 02: 43
          +8
          A slightly misleading analogy with a bespectacled nerd, and indeed, a bespectacled nerd does not understand what is going on. And YOU are up to the CONFLICT. This is about parking. In principle, you can transfer all this to relationships in society. If you give such parallels, then not always everything looks as you think. Here is how in this picture, a person acted like EVERYTHING, without wanting to. As a result, it remained extreme. Did you ever think that you could be in his place? And a more "correct" opponent will prove to you with the same courtyard upbringing that you are wrong? and will be stronger? So what about morality - "This is a survival system when you want to avoid conflict with your neighbor."?
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 24 March 2016 08: 45
            +4
            Quote: Kindzadza
            It's about parking. In principle, you can transfer all this to relationships in society. If you give such parallels, then everything does not always look as you think. Here is how in this picture, the person acted like EVERYTHING, without wanting to. As a result, it remained extreme. Did you ever think that you could be in his place? And a more "correct" opponent will prove to you with the same courtyard upbringing that you are wrong?

            Somehow in the distant past, in the era of the beginning of my labor activity, I remembered wise advice - you do not know what to do, act according to the law. Park your car in the parking lot, you will always turn out to be right. Adhere to the biblical covenants, they are in one form or another present in any national law or custom, and you will not be a m * dak either in 2 hours or in a year. In any case, in my own eyes for sure ....
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 24 March 2016 22: 31
            0
            Quote: Kindzadza
            man acted like EVERYTHING without wanting it.


            Did he also follow the command of the times? Or just disguised?
      6. lulec
        lulec 24 March 2016 10: 29
        +1
        Because they always have just a little! They are accustomed to receive everything for nothing from the moment the state of Ukraine itself appeared, for which none of them had ever fought, Lenin raised it to them on a platter, in gratitude, this educated intelligentsia demolishes monuments to him everywhere ...
      7. Foxmara
        Foxmara 25 March 2016 17: 36
        0
        Quote: domokl
        in Ukraine, ideas began to revive during a period of relative stability ... To be honest, I don’t understand this.

        This is because they were actively cultivated. Each president is noted. How many NGOs work?
    3. venaya
      venaya 23 March 2016 07: 13
      +8
      Quote: satris
      ideas of nationalism and superiority existed before

      There were no nations before! To create the idea of ​​the superiority of one nation over another, it is necessary to create the nations themselves, after which they successfully collide. There is an old and proven method, clearly expressed in the instruction: "Divide and conquer"It is usually not possible to rule successfully without separation. This is how absolutely all known nations, states, associations, etc. were created.
      1. xBoris
        xBoris 23 March 2016 11: 03
        +8
        "Before, no nations existed! .." - .. no. It is we Russians, being the main, most numerous nation, have not noticed these nations in Russia and continue to try not to notice, focusing on the idea that we are all "Russians" ... Nations have always been and remain. Especially - on its territory. This is an example of how all our "brothers" behaved during the collapse of the Soviet Union.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 March 2016 16: 34
        +6
        venaya

        To create this or that idea is a technical question. Baptized with three fingers or two and you got a war.

        Causes of conflict lie deeper. In a changed morality.
    4. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 23 March 2016 07: 23
      +1
      Dear cockroach
      At 35-40, the apartment is from the state.
      in my USSR no one promised such happiness recourse (Leningrad)
      again a rag instead of a flag!
      Thanks for the article all in suit.
      1. xBoris
        xBoris 23 March 2016 11: 04
        +6
        .. but in mine they really got it .. and there were plenty of examples.
        1. vyinemeynen
          vyinemeynen 23 March 2016 12: 16
          0
          Quote: xBoris
          .. but in mine they really got it .. and there were plenty of examples.

          Was this mass "overwhelming" among your relatives, friends and acquaintances? Mine are so unlucky. In general, of course, they gave, remember the characteristics, meeting parties, DND, participation in public life, the chance could be increased.
          A lot of good things are remembered with pleasure about the union, bad things are forgotten, but there was a lot of different things.
          And the trees were big then!
          1. domokl
            domokl 24 March 2016 17: 47
            0
            Quote: vyinemeynen
            Was this mass "overwhelming" among your relatives, friends and acquaintances?

            Or maybe you just had to leave Leningrad? It is clear that Moscow and Leningrad did not participate in this feast ... fellow
        2. Old
          Old 24 March 2016 09: 26
          0
          And in mine. I confirm.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 March 2016 16: 44
        +16
        In your USSR there was an education system. The education system leads citizens to systemic knowledge to a system of understanding. To a single moral.

        As soon as you start education services. Where every teacher draws ... reads as he wants. Then at the exit from school you will receive graduates with consciousness.
        "I'm dro ... chu, how I want"

        Among such citizens start a conflict, like two fingers on the asphalt.

        This suggests that the strategically most important thing in the state is not the army and navy, but the education system.
        1. perm23
          perm23 24 March 2016 06: 31
          +1
          YOU are completely right. Education, the worst weapon in the wrong hands. We also need the state and the country to have an ideology, a development direction. And about Ukraine, too much in the USSR they tried to smooth out and hush up the sore topics. And in the Baltic states this is also evident in Ukraine. And then these painful questions were deliberately inflated. And they could not answer them. and no one expected answers. Many were sure they justified themselves, it means they were to blame. And it’s easy to plant everything you want in such a mess. The leadership of the USSR had a lot of immigrants from Ukraine and they strongly promoted the exclusivity of Ukrainians - this is completely true. It is worth watching films of the Soviet period. So we got it.
        2. yehat
          yehat 24 March 2016 14: 29
          0
          German blitzkrieg 36-41gg made feltebel, who left to work in schools as teachers.
      3. yehat
        yehat 24 March 2016 14: 27
        0
        I have a father and mother, everyone got an odnushka apartment in the USSR by the age of 25.
        but for this they had to go to Siberia from Europe to work, in general, to sacrifice their life.
    5. atalef
      atalef 23 March 2016 07: 45
      -60%
      Most recently, the Kiev International Institute of Sociology conducted a survey among citizens of Ukraine. The results of this survey will not please you. 63% of Ukrainians are sure that we are at war with Russia. Sure! 65% know for sure that there are Russian troops in Ukraine. And only 18% say that there is no war.

      I gave the figures only for you to understand: there are no insights among Ukrainians

      Avor's interesting outlook on things. The author is really sure that Russia has anything to do with what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk? Or are they blind only in Ukraine?
      1. venaya
        venaya 23 March 2016 08: 02
        +27
        Quote: atalef
        interesting from Avora look at things

        Really interesting. Who suddenly needed to create a separate nation on the territory of Russia? Then divide Russia into pieces, invest crazy money to create a new state, so in the future this state will be set against the remains of Russia. What is it, foreigners are blind only in Ukraine, but in other places there are no and do not intervene at all. There is such a proverb about a log in his eye, here it manifests itself especially clearly.
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 24 March 2016 13: 58
          +2
          Quote: venaya
          Really interesting. Who suddenly needed to create a separate nation on the territory of Russia? Then divide Russia into pieces, invest crazy money to create a new state, so in the future this state will be set against the remains of Russia. What is it, foreigners are blind only in Ukraine, but in other places there are no and do not intervene at all. There is such a proverb about a log in his eye, here it manifests itself especially clearly.

          If we consider the current situation, then the benefits of this conflict for the United States, or rather for the US business structures, are obvious. There is such an economic theory that a country or a union of states with a population of more than 200-230 million inhabitants is able to provide its development with science and production in all or most spheres of state life. With a population of 150 million inhabitants, the state will always be forced to import something from outside, which can be influenced by the "global regulator" in its own interests. Zbigniew BZ. was, in general, right, arguing about the need to tear Ukraine away from Russia in order to keep Russia on "starvation" rations. Therefore, in this situation, the United States pursues the goal of making Ukraine an enemy of Russia, and they do not care how many corpses there will be on either side. It is worth remembering that the grain of the national conflict between Ukrainians and Russians, or rather, between Russians and other nationalities of the USSR, was sown back in the distant 20-30s by cosmopolitan communists who did not accept Russian patriotism, considering it an echo of bourgeois Great Russian chauvinism. Everything here is the forced planting of artificial Ukrainians, and the preferential financing of the economic programs of the outlying republics, the Baltic states. Due to the small volume of comments, the dialectics of the development of the national policy of the USSR cannot be told here, but who is interested in the origins and causes of modern conflicts, I would advise to delve into the history of the USSR in the first half of the 20th century. Archinteresting.
      2. domokl
        domokl 23 March 2016 08: 08
        +11
        fi ... why juggle the author .. not nice like that .. Or do you have facts? so pass to the SBU .. will be only happy
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 March 2016 08: 32
          -13%
          Quote: domokl
          fi ... why juggle the author .. not nice like that .. Or do you have facts? so pass to the SBU .. will be only happy

          Alexander, I didn’t say the troops, I said whether it is related or not - or in your opinion (as a participant in the events) -Russia has nothing to do with armed conflict and the weapons are exclusively trophy?
          1. domokl
            domokl 23 March 2016 08: 38
            +21
            Quote: atalef
            I didn’t say troops

            That is why I answered loyally ... Greetings Alexander. The author clearly wrote about the questions and answers posed. Why bring up "related products" again? Similarly, we can talk about the relationship between the US, the EU, and in general everyone in the conflict. There are weapons from all sides. And the volunteers too. Does the presence of Polish mercenaries give us any reason to speak of a Polish army? And what about American weapons and equipment?
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 March 2016 08: 46
              -14%
              Quote: domokl
              Quote: atalef
              I didn’t say troops

              That is why I answered loyally ... Greetings Alexander. The author clearly wrote about the questions and answers posed. Why bring up "related products" again? Similarly, we can talk about the relationship between the US, the EU, and in general everyone in the conflict. There are weapons from all sides. And the volunteers too. Does the presence of Polish mercenaries give us any reason to speak of a Polish army? And what about American weapons and equipment?

              Therefore, the author’s reaction is seduced by -65% of Ukrainians who are sure that they are at war with Russia - Leps, and DNR people who are confident that they are at war with NATO are sighted?
              Alexander - It all depends on which side of the conflict you are on, and whether you are blind or not --- all the sighted
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              2. Dali
                Dali 23 March 2016 17: 16
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Alexander, I didn’t say the troops, I said whether it is related or not - or in your opinion (as a participant in the events) -Russia has nothing to do with armed conflict and the weapons are exclusively trophy?

                And there are Israeli weapons on the side of the banderlogs ...

                Yes, the inhabitants of the DPR believe that they are fighting with NATO - are they right ?!
                And 65% what happened to Russia ... but the question is already, but how - not directly or indirectly?

                Residents of the DPR understand that they are fighting and the executors of the will of NATO ... but the inhabitants of Ukraine understand that they are not fighting for their interests?

                And the main question is - who came to whom with weapons to kill, banderlogs in the DPR and LPR or vice versa? Because the question is, on which side of the conflict are you on - and notice I did not say you are there in the army laughing And ...
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              4. KaPToC
                KaPToC 23 March 2016 19: 54
                +5
                Donbass is not a hypothetical conflict between two states over disputed territory, where there are no right and guilty parties. In the conflict in Ukraine there is a clearly defined guilty party that came to power by force overthrowing the previous government, and there is clearly the right side that disagrees with such a illegal step.
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 23 March 2016 13: 42
              +1
              Does the presence of Polish mercenaries really give us reason to talk about the Polish army? And what about American weapons and equipment?
              And the Israeli military, and where do you stand on the other side?
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          2. Roman Skomorokhov
            23 March 2016 09: 40
            +15
            The most interesting thing is that almost the same questions can be asked about Israel’s participation in the BV war.
          3. LeftPers
            LeftPers 24 March 2016 06: 08
            +2
            With the same logic, we can say that the armed forces of the United States, Canada, the Baltic States and Poland are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces. Or rather, "they have to do with the conflict" on the side of Ukraine.
          4. xan
            xan 24 March 2016 11: 11
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Alexander, I didn’t say the troops, I said whether it is related or not - or in your opinion (as a participant in the events) -Russia has nothing to do with armed conflict and the weapons are exclusively trophy?

            Russia is related to this conflict. Take it easy. It is foolish to expect that we will calmly look at the banderization of the east of dill. A simple question - who began to use weapons for civilians? But they simply asked for federalization and self-government, but in essence were against imposing different morality and history on them? Is it necessary to kill for this?
          5. Cherdak
            Cherdak 24 March 2016 22: 35
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Russia has nothing to do with armed conflict and weapons exclusively trophy?


            Just some forgotten information;

            After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got huge reserves of weapons, the second after the Russian Federation. The numbers are truly impressive: up to 5500 tanks (T-64, T-72, t-55, T-80), more than 4000 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, a huge number of multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) and artillery, including Smerch MLRS, in the amount of 95 units . Ukraine also inherited huge and powerful air forces - about 1100 combat aircraftrepresented by the most modern at that time bombers, fighters and transporters of the USSR. Even the Tu-160 strategic bombers were put into service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but later they were transferred to Russia at the expense of gas debt. The stockpiles of nuclear weapons and strategic carriers were also huge - 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (although by 1996 all nuclear weapons and their carriers were either transferred to the Russian Federation or destroyed, often with funds provided by the United States).
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 23 March 2016 08: 24
        +12
        Quote: atalef
        Avor deysvielno sure that what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk -Russia has nothing to do?

        ... has, has!
        I myself am from Russia, and I have! I had and I will have! And not only "attitude to what is happening", but also active participation in it! ... to the best of my ability!
        -----------
        The article is typically "Ukrainian": neither ours nor yours is the "farmers'" worldview among the Ukrainian intelligentsia, hmm ... Still, it wins! Peremoga, b ....!
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 March 2016 08: 36
          -21%
          Quote: CONTROL
          Quote: atalef
          Avor deysvielno sure that what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk -Russia has nothing to do?

          ... has, has!
          I myself am from Russia, and I have! I had and I will have! And not only "attitude to what is happening", but also active participation in it! ... to the best of my ability!
          -----------
          The article is typically "Ukrainian": neither ours nor yours is the "farmers'" worldview among the Ukrainian intelligentsia, hmm ... Still, it wins! Peremoga, b ....!

          That’s why I don’t understand the author’s reaction to the type of blindness of the Ukrainians and their 65% confident in the war with Russia. And with whom do they even fight? With Africa, what?
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 23 March 2016 09: 16
            +14
            Quote: atalef
            That’s why I don’t understand the author’s reaction to the type of blindness of the Ukrainians and their 65% confident in the war with Russia. And with whom do they even fight? With Africa, what?

            belay And what is there only the citizens of Russia live and fight? With such reflections one can get to the point that Russia is not at war with Ukraine, but with Hungary, Poland, and the USA.
            There are instructors from the EU and the USA, besides ours, and the curators yourself know that the USA flag is officially hanging on the SBU building, our weapons are also teleported to BC and small batches of old weapons, the Americans are forcing the Europeans to throw off weapons for the APU.
            It would be more correct to say that the USA is at war with Russia on the territory of Ukraine, by the forces of urkaina. A small localized conflict, and the solution to the problem is simple - compliance with the Minsk agreements, but neither the United States nor Poroshenko.
          2. sdc_alex
            sdc_alex 23 March 2016 09: 40
            +18
            It depends on how close you look ....
            If close, then the outskirts are at war with their own people. If a little further, then with Russia, but not only the outskirts, and if completely from far away, then the USA with Russia, only the war is being fought by someone else's hands and with the least losses for the warring parties, but with great losses for the "warring hands."
            All IMHO!
            1. 11 black
              11 black 23 March 2016 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: sdc_alex
              It depends on how close you look ....
              If close, then the outskirts are fighting with their own people. If a little further away, then with Russia, but not only the outskirts, but if completely from far away, then the United States with Russia

              I didn't understand about "A little further away" - Ukraine cannot fight with Russia in principle - Ukraine can fight with Russia and nothing more.
              Quote: sdc_alex
              only the war is being carried on by someone else's hands and with the least losses for the opposing sides, but with great losses for the "belligerent hands."

              Not so - the war is going on with the least losses for Russia, how can Russia try to reduce them (losses) among militias, and what is the loss of USAA in Ukraine?
              YSA will not suffer any losses even with the defeat of the last Ukrainian. The only thing they do is from time to time they add green presidents to whom they themselves print, and they raise inadequate Nazis with megalomania with the help of completely controlled media and the education system, again with the help of finance and nothing more - that's what "Losses" they can have - a classic war of attrition by proxy against Russia.
              The most offensive thing is that you have to understand that for them in this war, losses can be exclusively financial, but their dollar is infinite, which means that these "losses" are excluded ... something like that.
              1. polkovnik manuch
                polkovnik manuch 24 March 2016 08: 51
                +3
                As for the losses of the USA, you are mistaken, the famous "Academy" lost more than 60 people, although there were rabble from all over the world, but there were also Americans, in general, they received from the miners.
                1. gg.na
                  gg.na 25 March 2016 21: 10
                  0
                  Quote: polkovnik manuch
                  generally received from miners.

                  The miners piled on them wassat prescribing ogribin ointment !!! good
              2. sdc_alex
                sdc_alex 24 March 2016 11: 43
                0
                Quote: 11 black
                Ukraine in no way can fight with Russia in principle

                not directly, not yet matured. But you will not deny that the outskirts are still a participant in this mess.
                Regarding the loss of Merikos, you are wrong, I think there are still losses. Another thing is the ratio of these losses to costs. We will not calculate this ratio exactly from our sofa, one thing is clear, so far only the outskirts (together with the LDP) are in a bigger loss. But the scale of the buns received by all parties to this conflict, you and I will also not even figure it out, because on the couch.
          3. Maverick78
            Maverick78 24 March 2016 18: 22
            0
            And who do you think they are fighting with? No, Russia certainly helps the LPR DPR, but otherwise they would have long been crushed. For what? For wanting to stay Russian? Under the influence of propaganda, quite sane people say that they must be shot from the city, starved to death, etc. When you start talking to them, they come back to normal until the next reception of ukronost.
          4. Cherdak
            Cherdak 24 March 2016 22: 42
            0
            Quote: atalef
            and with whom do they even fight? With Africa, what?


            There was such a film "And the rain washes away all traces." It's also curious why ATO is needed ... maybe it is worth looking at the picture?
          5. liuk gud
            liuk gud 30 March 2016 21: 55
            0
            They want to believe it, although it is difficult for them. I live in western Ukraine and see these attempts. When they talk about the theme of atoms in the eye do not even dare to look.
        2. domokl
          domokl 23 March 2016 08: 41
          +1
          Quote: CONTROL
          The article is typically "Ukrainian": neither ours, nor yours -

          Hmm ... I wonder what it should be? And then, the cockroach mentions couch heroism (91,93 years in Russia). So ... we are identical laughing
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 24 March 2016 11: 34
            +1
            “Well, the Russian intelligentsia remained educated and thinking, while the Ukrainian one suddenly degraded? Has it ceased to think?” ---

            That seems to be the case at the moment.
      4. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 23 March 2016 11: 49
        +2
        [quote = atalef] the author has an interesting view of things. The author is really sure that Russia has nothing to do with what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk? Or are they blind only in Ukraine? [/ quote
        Israel always knows better than everyone else who, where, why, what it has. MOSSAD - nothing you can’t do ... laughing
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 23 March 2016 15: 43
          +4
          Interestingly, the atalef Jew defends the Kiev regime with such zeal that it directly seems that he, as a married Ukrainian woman, has a direct relationship to his leadership lol
          Of course, I understand that in the upper circles of Ukraine there are almost no representatives of this people themselves, that is, Ukrainians, but Poroshenko (Valtsmany) Groysmans alone and so on, but not to the same extent a Jew living in Israel will tear his shirt for the Ukrainian junta.
          Although atalef fascists, even though led by Jews, they still remain fascists.
          “There is no fascism in Ukraine”: in Babi Yar, the vandals burned a wreath laid by the Israeli minister
          In Ukraine, another emergency occurred, proving that, contrary to all the statements of Kiev, fascism still exists in the country.
          At night, unidentified persons burned a wreath laid the day before by the Minister of Justice of Israel Aeleth Shaked at the Menorah monument in Babi Yar in Kiev.
          http://rusvesna.su/news/1458727610
          1. polkovnik manuch
            polkovnik manuch 24 March 2016 09: 09
            0
            There are fascists in the Outskirts, after all, many of the unfinished exiled Bandera members managed to return in the seventies, and it was they who became the weeds who raised the current Pravosek people! Iosif Vissarionovich and Lavrenty Pavlovich did not complete their work, oh, they did not complete it! Then Nikita Kukuruzny and Dearly Beloved, instead of burning out the sprouts of the OUN-OPSO, continued to make indulgences. Jews died a lot and were exterminated not by the Nazis, but by nationalists, thus earning themselves "points". I think Israel's flirting with the Kiev junta is still more than once backfires.
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 March 2016 17: 04
        +1
        atalef

        GDP is a smart guy, he owns technology that is launched in Ukraine. He knows how to deal with it. But the problem is that his state apparatus is not ready for such eccentric wars. And the problem is that GDP cannot adjust its state apparatus to modern requirements.

        Stupidly there are no necessary people. Not even specialists, just the right people. Let's not go far.

        Here is DAM, used profanity. Use curses, it is to show weakness. DAM, without realizing it, showed the weakness of the Russian Federation. Well, how can you not think about such things that a state official does not have a personal opinion, but only a state one.

        And now look how many Fursenko Livanov snotty crowed with joy about the statement DAM.

        There are no adequate people. Personnel hunger.
      6. Weyland
        Weyland 23 March 2016 20: 01
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Avor is really sure that Russia has nothing to do with what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk? Or are they blind only in Ukraine?


        You are first Jerusalem and the Golan legal return to the owners, and only then we will talk about Lugansk and Donetsk!
      7. Weyland
        Weyland 23 March 2016 20: 01
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Avor is really sure that Russia has nothing to do with what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk? Or are they blind only in Ukraine?


        You are first Jerusalem and the Golan legal return to the owners, and only then we will talk about Lugansk and Donetsk!
    6. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 March 2016 08: 21
      +6
      Quote: satris
      Not quite so: the ideas of nationalism and superiority existed before - remember, for example, the "widespread Ukraine" from Makarenko's "Pedagogical Poem". Everyone wants to think and believe that he is the best. But for some reason, it was in the vastness of Ukraine that this weed bloomed especially with a double color.



      The most interesting thing is that these ideas of Nazism and superiority were put into their heads by such "purebred Ukrainians" as Parashenko (Valtsman), Turchynov (Kogan), Yaytsenyukh (Bakai), Timashenko (Kapitelman), Tyagnibok (Frotman). Zionofascists staged a bloody massacre (Maidan) captured Ukraine and brainwashing the common people against Russia.
    7. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 23 March 2016 09: 09
      +4
      The article says this, although not so explicitly, this sweet word is a freebie, a whole country built and worked, strengthened the western frontiers, strengthened the industry, and after the collapse it fell into one hands, not everything is true, but a lot that is not controlled by anyone, yes plus orders to the detriment of the customer, slack, live rejoice, but you can sell and rejoice until it ends, and how it ended those who ordered and left automatically became enemies - freebies want, superhuman from the outskirts are used to it.
    8. Achilles
      Achilles 23 March 2016 15: 52
      -1
      The Ukrainian people are zombified, that’s it.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 24 March 2016 22: 48
        0
        Quote: Achilles
        Ukrainian people are zombified

        No, just a corrupt government ... from here all the roots grow.
        And it began as "we will beat swords into plowshares" ... for American money.
        Crossing ...
    9. starshina78
      starshina78 25 March 2016 10: 04
      +2
      I slightly disagree with the author in particular, but I fully and completely support the assumption of dislike and hatred of people living in Ukraine in relation to Russia, Russians. Particularly, this is something that even in the days of the Union in the West of Ukraine, Russians were not loved (to put it mildly). You have to go far for examples. He served with me on the ship, as they say now, a westerner, by the name of Kossuth (in my opinion, from the Volyn region). So, even then, in the early seventies, he used to joke (and as we know in every joke there is some truth) that the time will come, and we will shoot you with her. What is it like ? But how to understand, when I went to the elders to get "LAZs" in Lviv for the plant, they didn’t really sell us anything in any of the stores or on the market. Like a pig threw bread and sausage on the counter. Only in the restaurant was the hotel even more or less served. The east of Ukraine, so there, yes, we were treated normally. My mom had many friends there. They corresponded, sent parcels to each other, came to visit. What happened next? Yes, I think that no one really will answer. Neither a political scientist, nor a psychologist, nor a historian. Time will judge.
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 25 March 2016 21: 47
        0
        There was a case in the early 70s (and not only 70s there were before) such a gimmick as latent enmity and hatred was visible from the Western Ukrainians to the Russians! I remember such progress! Without any exaggeration, I myself have personally heard more than once that "the time will come, we will hang." I’m not lying, men, I’m writing the pure truth to God! Here's a cross for you! And in the service I came across it more than once! The zapadentsy that are older by the call too much spread rot on the Russian guys of the younger calls. No, we had a case repeat drove the composition but not to atrocities No. and even then mainly in the case that they would know the materiel!
  2. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 23 March 2016 07: 01
    +3
    Yesterday I went to military materials, so there’s a war in the LDR on all fronts, Ukrainian tanks are burning dozens of AFU battalions to rush to Donetsk, and then silence ...
  3. ILIA
    ILIA 23 March 2016 07: 16
    +1
    Who has spent more on the respected Ukraine ...? count energy sources ..)
  4. Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 23 March 2016 07: 22
    +17
    Here is a Polish joke about Russians, which explains our power, strength and why they are afraid of us (but we don’t need to be afraid - we need to be friends with us):
    “A Pole, a German and a Russian are participating in the competition for hammering nails with their heads. The German begins first: the first blow, the second, third - the nail is hammered. The Pole hits once, twice - the nail is hammered. Finally, the Russian begins: one blow - the nail is hammered. Announce the results. The German took second place, the Pole first, the Russian was disqualified because he hammered a nail on the wrong end. ”
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 23 March 2016 11: 59
      +3
      And I would have completely scored the head of one of the opponents laughing
    2. xan
      xan 24 March 2016 11: 21
      +4
      Judging by the jokes, the Russian Poles are afraid, but respected.
      Reagan leads Jaruzelski around the White House, shows a secret room with buttons and boasts: "Click on this one and there is no problem in the Middle East, on this one there is no problem of non-aligned countries, but on this one the problem of the USSR is removed." Jaruzelski replies: "Before the war, a Polish countess had three toilet bowls in her palace in Lvov, a porcelain one on the first floor, a silver one on the second, and a gold one on the third. But when the Russians came, she dressed up on the stairs."
  5. bandabas
    bandabas 23 March 2016 07: 24
    +8
    10 years ago in May he drove his wife and daughter to the Chernihiv region to his grandmother for the summer. Grandma pushed a couple of liters of jam into my bag, although there was no desire to drag it. I went to Peter. Ukrainian customs officers did not care. Yes, and did not check. And Belarusians ... Prohibited the import of products, etc. etc (you have to pay). It was said, take it away or just throw it away. They spat and went on. And now they simply won’t let me into Ukraine. The enemy however.
  6. Anton Cardboard
    Anton Cardboard 23 March 2016 07: 27
    +17
    Not Kaptsov, of course. The subject of ship's armor is not disclosed.
    Thanks a lot to the cockroach. Indeed, the situation is like with one child in the family, when he is worn and swaddled from the diaper in his arms. A decent bastard usually grows up, who in a few years begins to send parents. But the reptile does not leave home, because it is scary and nobody needs it.
    1. xBoris
      xBoris 23 March 2016 14: 13
      +1
      Well, judging by the description of the situation by Tarakanych, it is.
      But you also need to take into account the patchwork of Ukraine - the Western .. Tatars .. Then do not kiss, kiss - all one will be torn to pieces by everyone who is outside and does not give the little girl a denyu ...
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 23 March 2016 07: 30
    +5
    Grains of superiority of Ukrainians over Russians were thrown into our heads.
    Henry. But let me! If you look deeply, then I personally
    not guilty of anything. I was taught that way.
    Lancelot. All were taught. But why were you the first
    student ...
    Lancelot. Gardener! The gardener rises from under the table. You taught the snapdragon to shout, "Hurray for the president!" ?
    Gardener. He taught.
    Lancelot. And taught?
    Gardener. Yes. Just shouting, snapdragon every time
    showed me the language. I thought I would get money for new experiences ... but ...
    Lancelot. Friedrichsen!
    The second citizen crawls out from under the table.
    The burgomaster, angry at you, put your
    the only son in the dungeon?
    2nd city dweller. Yes. The boy is already coughing, and the dungeon is damp!
    Lancelot. And after that you gave the burgomaster a pipe with
    the inscription: "Yours forever"?
    2nd city dweller. How else could I soften his heart? ...
    Something like this ... But what is characteristic of this film is prohibited in Ukraine, and on Russian channels .. often show ..
  8. nivander
    nivander 23 March 2016 07: 43
    +14
    another prevailing opinion about our lesser brothers
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 23 March 2016 09: 24
      +9
      I prefer a different picture and completely different lines. But in life, alas, not so:
      1. xBoris
        xBoris 23 March 2016 14: 17
        +1
        ..mya .. there was hope that even though people think differently than their pans .. But no. Everything is much deeper.
        Well, a woman with a cart, the mare is easier ..
        And here where the woman will go, but who will pick her up - .. wait and see.
        Well, Lithuania and Latvia did not disappear ..? They live. And Ukraine will live somehow.
        1. perm23
          perm23 24 March 2016 06: 37
          0
          YES if so. then to hell with them all. But they are crap and sometimes crap to us. That's the problem. Okay, that’s all. No duck.
    2. crumb
      crumb 23 March 2016 09: 40
      0
      also from there
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 23 March 2016 20: 34
      0
      living example - Taras Bulba and sons! laughing
  9. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 23 March 2016 07: 50
    +3
    Quote: satris
    Not quite so: the ideas of nationalism and superiority existed before - remember, for example, the "widespread Ukraine" from Makarenko's "Pedagogical Poem". Everyone wants to think and believe that he is the best. But for some reason, it was in the vastness of Ukraine that this weed bloomed especially with a double color.

    I agree, but these concepts have expanded and deepened and drove everything into the head, and the truth has been hidden away, that’s the result.
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 23 March 2016 08: 15
    +7
    Everything is correct cockroach, but I am an optimist in life. So after the plane crash in Russia - yes, the "conscious" were happy, but the normal ones came to the embassy in Kiev and laid flowers. And this is in Kiev! For this you need the courage to have. let them be few, but THEY ARE! which means that all is not lost.
    Kiev residents were not indifferent to the tragedy at the airport of Rostov-on-Don, where 62 people died. So, people with carnations and yellow roses began to catch up with the Russian embassy. Some bouquets are affixed with tablets with the text: “Russia! Mourn Adequate Kievites. " Ordinary Kievans came to the Russian Embassy in Kiev to honor the memory of the dead Russians, among them there was even a colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This was announced in his video blog by media expert Anatoly Shariy. “The Russians, they are the same people as we are. I have nothing against them. We are for them, it’s just propaganda at the top, and the people are simple ... ”, said the colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 23 March 2016 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      not all is lost yet.

      Until all is lost. recourse

      Elena, like you, I live in Ukraine, in Kiev, and every day I see these zombies, some walk around the office and sing the song "Putin - h ... lo", some have already become a habit to blame the Russians and the Russian Federation for everything.
      And what is the Russian Federation doing now in order to change the situation? It is naive to hope that the people of Ukraine will see the light !!! Nothing good will come of it. We need a very competent, long, expensive and effective policy towards Ukraine. Otherwise, 40 million Russians will be transformed FINALLY into sworn enemies of Russia !!!!

      The Saxons had long since learned to process natural mechanisms, logic, common sense, learned to suppress genes in people, their sense of homeland, brother and the will to win.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 March 2016 21: 00
        0
        silver roman

        Do not worry. You can return Ukraine to normal in 3 months.

        Well, a maximum of 5 months and Ukraine will be a union state. And it is absolutely not expensive. Well, up to half lard.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 23 March 2016 21: 03
          +3
          Quote: gladcu2
          5 months maximum and Ukraine will be a union state. And it is absolutely not expensive. Well, up to half lard.

          Can't you continue? I would listen, and listen ...
        2. Feka
          Feka 23 March 2016 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          Do not worry. You can return Ukraine to normal in 3 months.
          Well, a maximum of 5 months and Ukraine will be a union state. And it is absolutely not expensive. Well, up to half lard.

          Come on. Show the class. And then we were already waiting here. Is there a polyard or SMS?
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 23 March 2016 21: 48
            0
            FEka

            Do you want me to return Ukraine to normal?

            And besides you, who needs it?

            :)
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 23 March 2016 21: 54
              0
              Quote: gladcu2
              And besides you, who needs it?

              Well, to me, for example ..

              Quote: gladcu2
              Do you want me to return Ukraine to normal?

              No. I would like you to explain your .. strange, IMHO, saying:

              Quote: gladcu2
              Do not worry. You can return Ukraine to normal in 3 months. Well, a maximum of 5 months and Ukraine will be a union state. And it is absolutely not expensive. Well, up to half lard

              And? wink
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 23 March 2016 22: 56
                +2
                Cat man

                Explain.

                The fact is that those who invested in Ukraine have not yet received their benefits. When they play, then the opportunity will arise. Up to this point, putting your money on the scales does not make sense. You spend money not getting your benefits.

                Therefore, they will not buy Ukraine. This is a figurative expression so that you understand that as long as there are counteractions, you don’t need to rest.

                Technically, to return Ukraine as well as destroyed, through its truth. The truth is against the truth. Where the lie is not clear. But it’s not clear, because no one knows how to distinguish lies from truth.

                But there is a way to recognize a lie. Lying is always selfish.

                Regarding the timing of the return of Ukraine to normal consciousness. Answer the question, without when did the attack in the air of Egypt. And you will understand that you are confused. About an amount of time memory holds an event.
                1. perm23
                  perm23 24 March 2016 06: 46
                  0
                  But if you constantly nourish and remind. Then the period will be much longer. And in Ukraine there is a constant reminder and recharge.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 24 March 2016 16: 13
                    +2
                    perm23

                    So you yourself have found the answer to the question.

                    First you need to eliminate the confrontation. When the resistance runs out. Then they will start the reverse process.

                    It is only advisable to remember those freaks who are now publicly balamuting people.
                    They will not disappear.

                    GDP is working on confrontation issues. This is an international issue.
            2. perm23
              perm23 24 March 2016 06: 44
              0
              Well to me. Why war is needed.
      2. perm23
        perm23 24 March 2016 06: 43
        0
        Sorry, what kind of policy, what kind. Ukrainians are going to Russia to work. But then go home and scold Russia. We need to unite. That we are one people - that we are Russia. but how to do that. On the other side, the enemy does not sleep. crushes with his own will. And it is necessary to overcome the external enemy and explain with your own what and how. But we are really in Russia, we are waiting and hoping. For insight, for oil prices. for something else.
      3. ARES623
        ARES623 24 March 2016 20: 57
        0
        Quote: silver_roman
        And what is the Russian Federation doing now in order to change the situation? It is naive to hope that the people of Ukraine will see the light !!! Nothing good will come of it.

        For the Russian Federation, in this case, it is best to close the border with Ukraine, enter visas and wait without active action. America will not invest in the Ukrainian economy, the EU has other problems. Ukraine itself will reach the "handle", some will scatter around the world, someone will die, some will shoot each other. But when the general famine begins, as in Ethiopia, then the insight will begin. Bringing in goodwill and outside help is useless and even harmful. This bowl of liquid manure must be given to the Ukrainians to drink to the fullest. Only then can we expect a pragmatic policy and good neighborly relations from them. Pity is a bad counselor.
  11. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 23 March 2016 08: 17
    +17
    “The day before yesterday I asked this by the canal, Doctor Kuritsky, if you please see, he has forgotten how to speak Russian since November last year. There was Kuritsky, but Kuritsky became ... So I ask: how is“ cat ”in Ukrainian? He answers“ whale ” I ask: "And how is the whale?" But he stopped, goggled his eyes and was silent. And now he does not bow. "
    M. Bulgakov. "White Guard".
    This year what events are described here? But Bulgakov knew very well what he was writing about, since in 1919 he was mobilized into the UPR army.
  12. isker
    isker 23 March 2016 08: 19
    +10
    ".. don't believe what you heard,
    but believe what is! "(c)

    A Ukrainian is not a sovereign people (a conciliar people - maybe if they kick him in one place for a long time and hard), but he pushes and pushes and pushes ... but a stone bowl does not come out! ..
    Language - vital for power-building - is also absent as a class, for to call a LANGUAGE what they mean by it now is to be a complete oligophrenic.
    Hence the conclusion - no matter how hard the "authorities" and the "peoples" of dill push, in order to create a country and increase the well-being of its electorate - everything will resemble the attempts of a legless blacksmith to participate in the "Swan Lake"!
    The country can still get off the rake, but for this it is necessary, at least - the introduction of a single state language - Russian and the same Russians - as rulers, otherwise there will again be a "walk-field", but who will go for it? ..
    Yes, and before the speeches - no one had hammered them into anything - servility and betrayal were once the very essence of this "people"! Their only merit is that they opened our eyes to the idiotic idea of ​​"Pan-Slavism"!
    Why did everyone, even the former republics of the Soviet Union, take such a shot at the Russians? It's simple - any Latvian or even a Georgian is much closer to "European values" than a Russian ... Russian, no matter what he says, has always been and is the bearer of a completely, completely different mentality, hence the wild hatred and general anger!
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 March 2016 08: 37
      +4
      Because without the Russians, they would all be like blacks in Africa.
  13. Scud
    Scud 23 March 2016 08: 24
    +11
    The topic is very vital. And the article can be shorter, it will be more talented. Just the facts and nothing but the facts. In my opinion, the first schism between the peoples was made by any kind of husk like Korotich, who after living in the states returned to the USSR and wings, the truth is the womb, in Ogonyok. Already then, in Ukraine, many Ukrainians began with their eyes bulging with rage to prove that the famines, all kinds of repressions, the blame for komunyak in Russia. Well, and then it went. Yes, many of my relatives, acquaintances, even older teachers are blaming Russia, Putin all universal troubles, but nevertheless a considerable part of the population, are quite adequate. In total, no more than 5% of abrasive scum came to all the maydaunas throughout dill, this is no more than 2 million, and the remaining 35-40 million were silent, except of course Crimea and Donetsk and Lugansk. We have Ukrainians something disgusting, something from Poles. And it is unlikely that this frenzy of chauvinism will quickly disappear.
    1. domokl
      domokl 23 March 2016 08: 45
      +5
      This was the case in Russia as well. Then it was fashionable to blame "Bolsheviks or Communists" for all sins. I also thought about why ... it seems to me that this is due to the fact that the people seem to exist, but the statehood that this people would create would not exist. There are states "donated" by others. Hence the genetic complex "the other is to blame" ...
    2. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 06: 49
      0
      What are Ukrainians. We ourselves blame everything on GDP. It’s easier, much easier. In troubles always blame someone. And so it has always been with us. The tsar is bad, Stalin, Lenin, Brezhnev, Ivan the Terrible, Peter.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 March 2016 16: 19
        +1
        perm23

        To be honest, you are lucky with GDP.

        Well, if it’s generally frank, it is lucky for both Americans and Canadians that you have GDP.
        Because GDP rules not only Russia, but America and Canada as well.

        It’s just that he creates the conditions for the right path from which it’s even foolish, it’s obvious that turning itself is more expensive.
  14. EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 March 2016 08: 35
    +5
    Because it is impossible not to hate those whom you betrayed.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 March 2016 16: 22
      +1
      EviLion

      The traitor hates is a must.
      Hatred of the traitor forms the moral of survival.
      Betrayal cannot be left unpunished.
  15. surrozh
    surrozh 23 March 2016 08: 39
    +8
    "Russia without Ukraine zilch." The curators really thought so, but it turned out to be the opposite. And 40 million gullibles were not needed. But someone said that before the Ukrainians jumped for the change of power, now they are jumping for the change of citizenship, it's worse. Development of the theme of the West for Russia in the 90s, they say it is a shame to be Russian, repent for Hitler and your bloody history, "cotton wool must be destroyed." And, accordingly, the fate of Ukraine is predetermined by the maintenance of pipes and pastures.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 23 March 2016 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: surozh
      "Russia without Ukraine zilch." The curators really thought so, but it turned out to be the opposite. And 40 million gullibles were not needed. But someone said that before the Ukrainians jumped for the change of power, now they are jumping for the change of citizenship, it's worse. Development of the theme of the West for Russia in the 90s, they say it is a shame to be Russian, repent for Hitler and your bloody history, "cotton wool must be destroyed." And, accordingly, the fate of Ukraine is predetermined by the maintenance of pipes and pastures.

      Well, not 40 million.
      Idi-ot significantly less.
      Kharkov residents recently expressed condolences for the plane crash on VKontakte .... For example.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 March 2016 08: 40
    +6
    Absolutely correct article, but in my opinion, the author missed or did not attach serious significance to him one very important, if not the most important point, is the topic of Ukrainian nationalism, Bandera. Here, in my opinion, everything else went from here. And it will have to be treated for decades, even tougher than in the Soviet Union, but it’s too early to talk about it.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 06: 51
      0
      Here you are right. They were released, they returned, But they have not changed. In vain they were released at the time. And they began to sharpen and sharpen. But in the USSR they turned a blind eye to this, they thought it would go away.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 March 2016 16: 29
      0
      Ros 56

      They must not be treated. They should be directed to the restoration of the state, nationally oriented.

      It is important for any state to have a nationally oriented government. Ukraine was presented with a state. Someone gave, and then someone took away.

      When there is a nationally oriented state, then the understanding comes that trading is more profitable than fighting.

      It is only important to ensure that the state is not fascist. Although there also have their own options.

      Fascism is an ideology that prioritizes the superiority of a nation (ethnos).
  17. Party_time
    Party_time 23 March 2016 08: 43
    +2
    And why a crest in a caricature in white-blue-red?
  18. baudolino
    baudolino 23 March 2016 08: 44
    +10
    When people are dying in the Donbass, such "excuses" do not roll.
    If you think in Russian, but do not consider yourself Russian, then you are either a Jew or a stupid person without a clan-tribe.
    After the first Maidan, I refused to consume any information on mov. A couple of years before the second Maidan - from any news produced on the outskirts.
    Do not want to be deceived, do not let yourself be deceived.
    1. synodontis
      synodontis 24 March 2016 14: 37
      0
      It’s not good to speak like that, let alone think. We have a lot of people of different nationalities in Russia for whom Russian is their native language. Remember, for example, the famous writer Chingiz Aitmatov. Ukraine is also a multinational country and there are many "non-Russians" for whom Russian is their mother tongue. Especially in the east, where almost everyone speaks Russian to each other
  19. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 23 March 2016 08: 49
    +2
    Putin has become an icon for us
    Where would it be without Putin? Judging by ukrosaytah, Putin is really omnipotent and omniscient.
    And humor will be in the following notes.
    Will wait.
  20. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 23 March 2016 08: 53
    +8
    My wife is Ukrainian.
    Done in any form, Ukrainian propaganda did not touch her. Although all my life I lived in Ukraine.
    He considers Russia to be his homeland.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 23 March 2016 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Done in any form, Ukrainian propaganda did not touch her.


      What can I say? Congratulations! drinks
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    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 March 2016 16: 33
      0
      Cap. Morgan

      My wife is a pure liberal. I am more to the Communists. We live together. But I can not convince her, there are not enough arguments. More precisely, there are obvious arguments. It seems to understand, then again rollback. The woman is not very stupid.

      And all because they watch these stupid soap operas.
  21. Dimachrus
    Dimachrus 23 March 2016 08: 55
    +9
    Not really in the subject, but ...
    I recently read "the trench truth of the Wehrmacht" (the memoirs of their veterans of the Second World War) and drew attention to one interesting fact ...
    German invaders were met with flowers / cakes / milk in the Baltic states and in the outskirts, in considerable numbers
    There were also deserters and voluntary assistants of the Wehrmacht from among prisoners and defectors (KhIVI)
    The former Oberleutenant who fought on the northern front (Murmansk, Finland) when asked about the defectors and KhIVI answered that
    I have not seen one !!! NO ONE!!! From 41 to 44 years old.
    So I think the roots are much deeper and hope for a speedy insight of the Great Aurora.
    1. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon 23 March 2016 12: 35
      +7
      There was such an ideological Bandera under the pseudonym Taras Bulba. One of the founders of UPA. In the years 43-44, working for the Germans, he tried to achieve the transfer of ROA personnel to the UPA, since according to the lists in it up to 70% were Ukrainians! He writes in his memoirs! He died in the Canadians, did not answer for the crimes ... and those of his associates who fell into the hands of the NKVD got off easily, Stalin was just a darling ... a humanist! For this, all this surviving scum and their descendants and fosterlings are pouring mud on him!
  22. en.u
    en.u 23 March 2016 09: 14
    +6
    Since the time of Daniel Galitsky and Alexander Nevsky, the South Russian and North Russian lands have gone different ways. The spirit creates a form for itself (the history of the earth, the "insides" of the people). A split in heads is a consequence of a split in faith. "A Russian person is an Orthodox person, and without Orthodoxy he is just rubbish." Dostoevsky.
  23. free
    free 23 March 2016 09: 41
    +1
    I agree with the author, but in any case, this does not excuse Svidomo, you have to answer for everything!
  24. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 23 March 2016 10: 09
    +3
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    My wife is Ukrainian.
    Done in any form, Ukrainian propaganda did not touch her. Although all my life I lived in Ukraine.
    He considers Russia to be his homeland.

    Put a plus for your spouse, lucky. My wife and I are both Ukrainians on the passport, but for more than a year now we have not been talking about this topic of our small motherland at all, otherwise it will not be far from a divorce. Though we love each other for almost a quarter of a century.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 06: 55
      +1
      Well, maybe when people understand that there is no such nation - a Ukrainian. There is a Little Russian, a Russian. Then something will change. After all, the term - Ukraine and Ukrainian was introduced by the Austrians in 1916, calling the Galicians who fought with them that way, and then it went further.
  25. bsk_mna54
    bsk_mna54 23 March 2016 10: 43
    +5
    And how many such "heroes" appeared in Russia !? Does anyone do them? In Tunisia, such "heroes" are thrown out of the country, who shit the country. How much can we endure? Let others feed them: Kasparov, Khodorkovsky and other riffraff left. And why in our country Chubais, Alekseeva, Navalny, Kovalev, Svanidze and others appear to members of the government. It is necessary for them to sprinkle the sandy path well so that they can get to the shore from where they feed without slipping! And how many embezzlers got divorced. Without pants, you must be sent over the hillock
    1. xBoris
      xBoris 23 March 2016 14: 20
      +1
      ABOUT!! the question is when will the law work with us .. ??
      Mal is done little while the father’s eye lies there. How to turn away - start a new one ..
      It is necessary to introduce wider control of the ONF and similar organizations over the work of all "bodies" and their "organoids".
      Courts - make really independent ..
  26. magician
    magician 23 March 2016 11: 32
    +1
    Thank you cockroach! As always in the article, everything is clear and intelligible! Sooner or later, this mess in Ukraine will end. The people will try to live a peaceful, creative life, but how to change the worldview nurtured by replacing the truth of historical, human values? Russia will be fenced off from Ukraine, restrict access to patients with the virus of selectivity? We certainly do not need this infection in Russia! How can we be, are there normal people there, what will happen to them?
  27. gamer
    gamer 23 March 2016 11: 46
    +12
    After all the muck from the Dnieper, I like it more!
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 23 March 2016 20: 48
      +1
      especially delivers that Yuri Loza - Polish the roots ...
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  28. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 23 March 2016 11: 53
    +9
    From the 19th century, the mass migration of Little Russians to the territory of Russia proper began! Naturally, they considered themselves Russian and there was no talk of any Ukrainians! Although, if you carefully read Gogol, cultural differences were present, but they were, and with it, pronounced between the residents of St. Petersburg and Moscow (and remained)! And then the mass Slavization of Russia began! Now every third person has relatives, or someone from his family and friends, albeit once, came from Ukraine (your humble servant also)! Over the course of 200 years, the most intelligent and talented moved to Russia. And in Ukraine there remained the most rural and provincial. Natural selection! Here they have the idea of ​​self-independence ripened in empty heads !! Like we feed the whole USSR, disconnect - we will live better! Well, let's go! I grew up in Ukraine, traveled every summer until 1991 and was always amazed at the wild provincialism (slander) that flourished and cultivated there, not to mention the insanity that prevailed in Lemberg! So the Bandera seeds (Perestroika Rukh) fell on grateful soil! Unfortunately, due to geopolitical circumstances, and throughout history, the security of Russia requires that this state entity in its present form not exist !!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 March 2016 17: 29
      +3
      Quote: JääKorppi
      Over the course of 200 years, the most intelligent and talented moved to Russia. And in Ukraine there remained the most rural and provincial. Natural selection!

      Well, I wouldn't say that. How many wonderful specialists did Russia send to Ukraine to develop industry, science and culture here? Another thing is that some of them "tightly assimilated", and some remained RUSSIAN.
  29. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 23 March 2016 12: 30
    +4
    Plus, it is necessary to take into account the precise work with this very youth - how many years have they been brought up under US programs? 20-25, so we count about 20 school issues with a "new story" in their heads, for those who got into the first in 30 years.

    The most striking thing is that in the heads of those who graduated from school 30-40 years ago, the "poles" have also changed.
  30. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 23 March 2016 12: 42
    +3
    And why a crest in a caricature in white-blue-red?

    Just in case .... And suddenly give up ..
  31. victorrat
    victorrat 23 March 2016 13: 05
    +6
    Let me remind the author of the article on the definition of the word Ukrainian, given in the Catholic Encyclopedia for 1913 year. That is why Rusyn Ivan Franko was offended when he was called this filthy word. There is no nation Ukrainians. There are stupid people and traitors of the Russians. Genetic from Galicia, which for 700 years was under Austria and Poland.
    I think that everyone knows very well that Kievan Rus never existed. And this city was made a city of Novgorod princes. No wonder Svyatoslav Igorevich called himself proudly Russian.
    Veliky Novgorod created this Russian land and is very grieved that the mother of Russian cities has turned into an ordinary prostitute.
    Or do you think that Lenin (Ulyanov) and others like them did not know the meaning of the word Ukrainian? Do you think that they believed that these words are the outskirts of Russia? Not!!
    White and Little Russia turned into different peoples. Roman motto: Divide and conquer.
  32. dummy
    dummy 23 March 2016 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Avor deysvielno sure that what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk -Russia has nothing to do?

    Are you sure that Israel has nothing to do with what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk?
    Quote: atalef
    Alexander, I didn’t say the troops,

    Do not think it wrong, I do not claim that his army is there.
    Are you sure that what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk by itself happened, and was not planned where they always like to plan for others?
  33. Jackking
    Jackking 23 March 2016 13: 25
    +1
    Based on the foregoing reasons, it turns out that a state with an educational level no lower than in Russia (which is presented at the beginning of the article), after 20 years has become an uneducated Russophobic appendage of the SGA ...
  34. xBoris
    xBoris 23 March 2016 14: 30
    +2
    Thanks to Tarakanych, for the cultural enlightenment and political review of the views of Ukrainians on our difficult national question.
    It is a pity that everything is so neglected. It’s a pity that they couldn’t, those who stood shoulder to shoulder against the fascists, to bring up the correct views and worldview in Ukraine, that those who were behind the fascists were able to defeat them, and shot in our backs and yours .. And there were many of them.
    People said how the forest brothers returned home, after serving their sentences and how fierce was their hatred.
    Well, the Union broke up, they all became independent .. Now it’s the turn to share their living areas. Crimea - clearly said with whom he is. Now here is the Donbass and Lugansk region ..
    What do the young people do with the dissent - no need to tell. Everything on the screens is clearly shown. In fact, in Donetsk and Lugansk there is a cleansing of the territory. All those who disagree are squeezed into Russia or die. Otherwise, they will be second-class people.
  35. lynov
    lynov 23 March 2016 15: 34
    +2
    Quote: atalef


    I gave the figures only for you to understand: there are no insights among Ukrainians

    Avor's interesting outlook on things. The author is really sure that Russia has anything to do with what is happening in Donetsk and Lugansk? Or are they blind only in Ukraine?

    Most recently, the chief military prosecutor Matios (Ukraine) said that "suspicion was announced" to 19 Russian citizens and 11 are accused of participating in "terrorist activities" in the Donbas. Earlier, the same character stated that the participation of 56 Russian citizens in the war in Donbass was documented. Are these all Russian troops? laughing
  36. Mercenary
    Mercenary 23 March 2016 16: 07
    +5
    Thank you, Author, for being so mentally ... I really read, delved into ... much became clearer. Huge, that the problem "from the inside" was revealed ... I am perplexed ... here for a fact? What's wrong with these guys in Ukraine ??? (((
    We experienced similar things in the 90s, the beginning of the zero ones ... a hell of a similar scheme, Okolokoloradsky, a hell of a similar one, however ... Putin came in time ... Borya, along the way, realizing that everything is land, decided that at least some trump cards will be before the Lord ... so as not to go to the last round of hell ... I decided to resign ... but maybe Billy annoyed me very much ... in short - well ...

    Thanks for the work, frankness and article. It was very useful for me. The puzzle has finally been completed.
  37. Galan
    Galan 23 March 2016 17: 08
    +2
    "Well, the Russian intelligentsia remained educated and thinking, while the Ukrainian one suddenly degraded? Has it ceased to think?"
    Was there a real Ukrainian intelligentsia? From time immemorial, intelligent, thinking, talented intelligentsia from Ukraine went to St. Petersburg, Moscow, a smaller part to Vienna and Prague. In place remained a small town gray. So where do intelligentsia come from in Ukraine?
    In general, the Austrian project of the 19th century called "Ukraine" should be closed in the 21st century. Galicia (outskirts - Ukraine of Poland) to transfer to Poland. Novorossiya regions within the Russian Federation. The central part of Ukraine is autonomous in the Russian Federation.
  38. eyed
    eyed 23 March 2016 17: 25
    +6
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    My wife is Ukrainian.
    Done in any form, Ukrainian propaganda did not touch her. Although all my life I lived in Ukraine.
    He considers Russia to be his homeland.

    I also have a Ukrainian wife. And she has not been in contact with her relatives for about 4 years now. She doesn’t want after the mother’s funeral, she came from there - spat ....
    I was there in the Chernihiv region and Kiev in 2007 ... And what’s ridiculous - all the relatives of the wife with a higher education, bay in Russian everywhere, almost no one knows the MOVs, but then all UKRAINIANS !!!!
    And the pontorezes are terrible. They looked at me as a resident of the Far East and were surprised that I was not Chinese. Then it was funny ...
    1. Val_y
      Val_y 23 March 2016 18: 23
      +4
      I’ll tell you more that in Odessa, the same with relatives from the city of Kuyev, complete seams and discord occurred, after the well-known events (like many friends from Odessa and Nikolaev), we are accused of being cotton wool and separates, that they are stupid and brainwashed, since we do not understand the benefits that the "friends" from the "tsyvylized retinue" want to overthrow on us, and the fact that I don’t come out of them is "they don’t give yule," and "it is known who" is to blame but about Europa they say with saliva and aspiration ugh !!! So that...
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 23 March 2016 23: 07
      +1
      Quote: fake
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      My wife is Ukrainian.
      Done in any form, Ukrainian propaganda did not touch her. Although all my life I lived in Ukraine.
      He considers Russia to be his homeland.

      I also have a Ukrainian wife. And she has not been in contact with her relatives for about 4 years now. She doesn’t want after the mother’s funeral, she came from there - spat ....
      I was there in the Chernihiv region and Kiev in 2007 ... And what’s ridiculous - all the relatives of the wife with a higher education, bay in Russian everywhere, almost no one knows the MOVs, but then all UKRAINIANS !!!!
      And the pontorezes are terrible. They looked at me as a resident of the Far East and were surprised that I was not Chinese. Then it was funny ...

      Yes, my wife half of the relatives are really anti-Russian. The victims of the zombie. Mother-in-law TV tries not to watch.
      Now a new service. All new Russian TV shows and films can be bought on discs. Who does not have plates or a penchant for computer video piracy))) And those are saved.
  39. Prutkov
    Prutkov 23 March 2016 17: 35
    +2
    Alas, the Cockroach is right. The vast majority of Ukrainians, regardless of what language they speak, are confident that Ukraine is at war with Russia. However, the vast majority of regulars on this site consider the same (unaware of this). In my opinion, the situation resembles the situation with the division of Germany into eastern and western, as a result of a loss of 2 MB. The separation of a single East Slavic ethnic group occurred as a result of the loss of the USSR in the Cold War. And the union of Germany and the GDR occurred as a result of the Cold War. And before the unification there was the Berlin Wall, there were shoots through the Wall, there was propaganda, many years passed. It will also be Ukraine and Russia. It takes patience, time and VICTORY in the 2nd Cold War. And for this, Russia must exist as a single state with its own philosophy and national idea. And people should live a little better than in Ukraine. In the meantime, Ukraine is one of the fronts in this world war.
  40. Old warrior
    Old warrior 23 March 2016 18: 35
    +1
    I can understand why normal people became primates, but I’m not going to feel sorry for them, I'm not going to sympathize with them. What they wanted is what they got.
  41. dvg1959
    dvg1959 23 March 2016 18: 51
    +3
    In the 90s, immediately after the Belovezhskaya Agreement and the collapse of the USSR, Ukrainians began to speak unflatteringly about "mos-lyah" (censorship does not allow the expression), expressing other offensive expressions against Russia and Russians. I heard it personally, and at that time we were all servicemen of the USSR Armed Forces, officers, politically literate people. We were not exposed to the influence of Western propaganda and condemned it in every possible way. All this happened on the Kuril Islands, far from Ukraine. But then already officers of Ukrainian nationality argued about their special national origin, they had their own point of view on territorial issues, on the ownership of Crimea, Sevastopol, Odessa, Novorossiya (then such a definition did not exist yet).
    Therefore, in relation to all this, I want to say:
    "d-ly" - a quote from Sergei Viktorovich and
    "p-ki" - a quote by Dmitry Anatolyevich,
    as well as
    "we do not need great upheavals, we need a great Russia" - a quote from Peter Arkadyevich and
    "whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword" - a quote from the Grand Duke Alexander Nevsky.
  42. dvg1959
    dvg1959 23 March 2016 19: 06
    +4
    Ukrainians have some kind of hidden insult, one can even say hatred towards Russians has lurked for a long time. This was felt back in the days of the USSR.
  43. moskowit
    moskowit 23 March 2016 19: 19
    0
    “... Chechnya became the next grain of the same kind. Yes, it was Chechnya that first brought our future“ heroes ”to the fore. The most familiar Ukrainian guys went to help fight for the freedom of the Chechen people. To fight against whom? Yes, against those who killed Chechens during the period of deportation, those who today are against the freedom of these proud highlanders, Ukrainians and Chechens have become like brothers.

    And Russia, instead of "putting pressure" on the Ukrainian government, to catch our future fascists on our territory, proudly pretended that there were no Ukrainian mercenaries. It turns out today that everyone knew everything ... "

    It was because of such pseudo-political tricks that fate was broken, and later the life of the Hero and Patriot Colonel Budanov, who publicly declared about the "khokh.lakh" fighting against the Russian Army in Chechnya ...
  44. Weyland
    Weyland 23 March 2016 19: 58
    0
    63% of Ukrainians are sure that we are at war with Russia. Sure! 65% know for sure that there are Russian troops in Ukraine.

    "Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania always fought with Eastasia "(c). The Ministry of Truth rules, and Dr. Goebbels nervously smokes!
  45. Feka
    Feka 23 March 2016 20: 43
    +1
    Hmm. recourse I read the article, read the comments, a lot fell into place. Even heavy thoughts attacked me. This is where we screwed up so that now this is all for us? belay Okay, now about the serious. Tarakanych, of course, I respect you fiercely, but could you please clarify something? As far as I remember, the word "Svidomo" is translated as "conscious." "Conscientious citizen", "national identity", etc. Everyone remembers from the days of the Soviet Union. These things are, of course, good and necessary. But why hu., For some time now the word "Svidomo" is associated only with the word "stoned"? I hope nobody needs to explain the word "stoned"?
    The most Svidomo Ukrainian guys went to help fight for the freedom of the Chechen people.
    The most "svidomye" or the most "stubborn"? They are heroes now, yes, I remember.
    And Russia, instead of "putting pressure" on the Ukrainian government, to catch our future fascists on our territory, proudly pretended that there were no Ukrainian mercenaries.
    And with what fright Russia should have caught Your mercenaries on your earth? We tried to say something, you sent us, you were already "independent". Who brought up these "special species" for Chechnya and Georgia? Who raised the "children" for the 2014 Maidan? Again Russia is to blame, she is should was to prevent this.
  46. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 23 March 2016 22: 38
    0
    And Shevchenko spoke about Ukrainians. And many more people. And about why Ukrainians Ukrainians and who put them there and how it is all disgusting and disgusting. In short, the tribe is very gullible. So much time to train hatred for neighbors, for us. Now, if they had been taught to bark or grunt all this time, we would not have heard human speech from our neighbors. So they easily accept what has been said and shown on faith.
  47. palm
    palm 23 March 2016 22: 43
    -1
    the author .... read Bulgakov, he strongly discourages reading Soviet newspapers, especially before lunch
  48. dima1981
    dima1981 23 March 2016 22: 44
    +1
    I also read the article and the comments - all these arguments are somehow liquid. The people, no matter how you educate them, will be alone on their own minds. 10 years of general collapse after 91, in the same conditions. I suppose the United States also invested in the re-education of Russia, be healthy (how many NGOs were operating, how many enterprises were collapsed, bombers and missiles were sawn, specialists were drunk, or simply went into the shuttle trade). As a result, Ukraine got sick, but we did not. I read somewhere that even at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, ours, retreating across Ukraine, received bullets from local shooters. Massively. Nifiga is not millions of US dollars affected. People are just like that. The USSR collapsed - all the husks flew off. There is a strong core left. So we will move on in our current composition to make our Great History "... to fear the enemies ...".
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 06: 59
      +1
      Unfortunately, we also have quite a few husks.
      1. dima1981
        dima1981 24 March 2016 21: 09
        0
        There will never be a husk, but the harder it is, and difficulties harden the character. Remember how in the old song: "... Russians, Russians - a restless fate, but why to be stronger, we need trouble ..."
  49. Served once
    Served once 23 March 2016 23: 00
    +8
    In some ways I agree with Tarakan, in some things I do not. So it was my fate that I spent 2 of my army years in Ukraine. I served, lived, communicated with Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Greeks, Armenians, and in general the whole USSR can be listed. The land is fertile, the climate is wonderful next to the Black Sea. Warm, dry, there was no snow in those years 87-89. Grace! The origins of the current situation, it seems to me, lie deeper. I will not touch on the events of the beginning of the century, the Civil War, collectivization and other things. Iosif Vissarionovich had two general secretaries of immigrants from Ukraine, a bunch of members of the Politburo, natives of the same republic. The way to the current situation, it seems to me, began in the mid-50s and continued successfully at 60,70,80. Khrushchev and Brezhnev undoubtedly played their role. The actions of the "omnipotent" The secretaries general (Crimea is just what is worth!) stubbornly pushed Ukraine onto the unpredictable path of "independence." All the "little things", the nuances of that Soviet policy are now perceived by me in the light of what is happening in a completely different way. After Chernobyl, they brought guys from Kiev to us. I learned by surprise that their school uniforms differ from our standard ones. Remember those navy blue jackets with a patch with an open primer? They had a different opinion from their words. Little thing? But already a difference, inconsistency with the Soviet standard. Further, during the years of service I was very surprised by another. All! born and called up from the RSFSR (I am a tanker-bmpist), studied in training on BMP 1, t-54,55,62,72. That is, exclusively produced by Kurgan and Nizhny Tagil. And in contrast to us, natives from Ukraine, exclusively to T-64. When we were united into one platoon, I, as a Komsomol organizer of the company, was very surprised at such selectivity. Of course, I could not have thought that History would make a similar experiment with us, and we would look at each other through the sights the desire to pull the trigger ... But reflecting on my past I think: Was there really some cunning plan for a clash of two once fraternal peoples? I was demobilized in October 89. Then the RUKH raised its head, and no one. No militia dispersed these nationalistic ki-minded people. Well, and then everything Cockroach described. There is no point in repeating. We have what we have alas.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 March 2016 07: 03
      +1
      I agree . Communicated on the forum. So they directly wrote to me-who led the USSR Ukrainians. They did everything to you, built, created. Who made you the best Russian tank. Who fought the best. You Russians generally just stood by and watched, and how the help workers helped.
    2. gg.na
      gg.na 25 March 2016 22: 02
      0
      Quote: Served once
      The way to the current situation began, it seems to me from the mid-50s and successfully continued in the 60,70,80s

      It's here you-s-s-yyy pra-a-a-aaaavilno said-wrote !!! And then ...,
      Well, then everything was described by the Cockroach. There is no sense in repeating ourselves. We have, alas, what we have.
  50. indulf
    indulf 23 March 2016 23: 53
    0
    But all the slag surfaced, most are fixed, odious 100%, so there is no silver lining.