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Suspicious chip

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The system of electronic passports on hand to hackers and aggressors


In Russia, preparing to enter the electronic passport. According to the developers of the concept, it should become the main identity document. Implementation can begin with the 2017 year. A pilot project has been launched in four regions, including the Crimea and Kuban.

The passport will be a plastic card with an electronic chip. It is assumed that the new document will also replace the pension certificate, and the policy of compulsory medical insurance, and it can also be used as a payment instrument. The card will contain all the information about a citizen of Russia, including biometric and, probably, genomic. It is known that the Chairman of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, proposes not only creating a national fingerprint database, but also introducing genomic registration. Full replacement of paper passports for electronic ones is supposed to be carried out by 2030 year.

One should expect a negative attitude to the “universal document” of a sufficiently large number of citizens, and this is justified not only by emotions and religious “prejudices”, but also by quite legitimate reasons. In particular, in accordance with the Federal Law No. 152 “On Personal Data”, biometrics for identification are used only with the written consent of the person. The introduction of electronic passports in effect deprives a citizen of the legal right to choose whether or not to agree to the processing of personal data.

Expensive certificate


The use of electronic passports is possible only with a developed information infrastructure. Without it, we get a piece of plastic. The amount of information that can be placed in the chips is relatively small. Therefore, in addition to reading tools, prompt access to relevant databases is required. That is, the main condition for the introduction of electronic passports is a telecommunications structure covering the whole country. Meanwhile, in Russia there are still many places that are completely free from the Internet. And mobile operators do not cover the entire territory.

Suspicious chipCreating an appropriate network will require huge investments from the state and will take a lot of time. Nashtampov enough e-passports is also a problem. With a population of 142 of a million people, the initial card issue volume will be up to 150 million pieces. Further annual needs, taking into account migration from neighboring countries, are estimated at 50 million.

Accordingly, it is necessary to restore the mass production of chips, and very high-quality ones. With a large capacity, they must also have good security from negative influences, both electromagnetic and mechanical. The requirement to use home-made chips is laid down in the relevant draft law. Such production also requires large long-term investments.

Finally, the software of the whole system is necessary. That is, the introduction of electronic passports will require such financial resources, the diversion of which from the real sector and the social sphere can worsen the economic situation.

Bonuses and Cons


What are the advantages of an electronic passport? Firstly, the procedure for obtaining public services will be simplified, there will be no need to go to government offices and stand in line. A citizen will be able to receive many documents independently, directly from the system. Secondly, the field of corruption will noticeably narrow due to the reduction of personal contacts with officials.

We should expect a significant increase in the efficiency of law enforcement. With biometric data, the police will be able to quickly and accurately detect and prevent crime, more effectively conduct a search for intruders.

Doctors will quickly receive complete and accurate information about patients. That is, at critical moments, help will come in a timely manner and be qualified.

However, any benefit has a downside. The introduction of e-passports carries threats that are able to completely devalue the expected benefits.

First of all, the security of the state, society and the individual is reduced. It is known that the key condition for the effectiveness of any information operations is a detailed knowledge of the object of impact. The more information about a competitor, a rival, an enemy, the more essential is an advantage in case of a conflict.

The entire infrastructure of the system, providing the introduction and use of electronic passports, is based on the hardware base of the American development and operating systems of Microsoft. The chips of modern computers at the production stage can be embedded "bookmarks" that can unauthorized transfer information from the computer to recipients, about which the user does not even guess.

Microsoft operating systems are closed. The company pays huge fines, as it violates antitrust laws - both national and international. However, it does not go to the disclosure of its software product. There are also nuances on the Internet that allow owners of main servers to keep control over it.

Thus, all information about the citizens of Russia may be in the wrong hands - competitors and potential opponents. And in detail, it will not be inferior to the one used by Russian government agencies and special services. Geopolitical competitors will be able to begin managing social processes in Russia using information warfare technologies.

Electronic passports of family members of military personnel, employees of special services and law enforcement agencies, even if these people themselves do not have such documents, will become objects of special attention of foreign special services. Analysis of the information will allow probable opponents of Russia to identify the strategic and even operational construction of groups of the Armed Forces, the redeployment of individual formations and units. At the same time, the effectiveness of operational masking measures will be minimized.

And access to information can be obtained by terrorist organizations and criminal communities. This will allow them to choose the least protected place and the optimal time for terrorist acts, to ensure the invulnerability of the organizers and performers.

The security of individual citizens is also in question. Unscrupulous officials, hackers, and other "specialists", having received information about a particular person, can use it to appropriate his property. Qualitatively new ways of committing crimes will appear, which, with the possibilities of the Internet, will begin to be generated with such speed that law enforcement agencies will not have time to develop effective countermeasures.

Conclusion: the disadvantages that the introduction of electronic passports bears substantially exceed the expected gains. Moreover, in contrast to the benefits of domestic importance, the threats are strategic, calling into question the sovereignty of the state. The measures that would allow them to fend off have not yet been worked out. Therefore, the introduction of electronic passports in Russia is at least premature.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 25 March 2016 12: 59
    +44
    The world is getting smaller ... The big brother’s eye will soon get into bed. The Japanese have already tested the chip, which connects to the glasses and has a constant Internet connection. In the future there will be a slot right in the head. A paradise for hackers ....
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 March 2016 13: 02
      +19
      Unfortunately, these technologies cannot be stopped, sooner or later, but they will come.
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 25 March 2016 13: 09
        +42
        And the dough, BABLA on this business how much can be sawed ??? !!!
        This is - equipment that produces chips, cards, equipment in each of us. point, point of registration of passports!
        Processing Center, etc.! Completely new system!
        Breakthrough Bubble! Echelons of Bubble! Tankers!
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 25 March 2016 13: 57
          +65
          I absolutely agree with the author! I will say more.

          This electronic passport - and then implantation of chips into the body of citizens - project is not just an attack on human rights to preserve information about his personal life and his enslavement, but also an attack on the national security of sovereign states.
          This coveted by world bureaucrats The electronic passport project is being introduced around the world at the initiative of the world financial capitalist usurers of the US Federal Reserve's private banking system - to establish their "new world order and maintain power over the whole world in their hands."

          Therefore, the introduction of this essentially American project with the introduction of electronic passports in the Russian Federation poses a threat to Russia's national security and treason!
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 25 March 2016 14: 09
            +1
            Conclusion: the disadvantages incurred by the introduction of electronic passports significantly exceed the expected winnings. Moreover, in contrast to the benefits of everyday importance, threats turn out to be strategic, calling into question the sovereignty of the state.


            What a whining?
            What's new in the whole process?

            All information has long been on the servers.

            No one forces you to shoot "fingers" and even more so "genomic" information.

            Although in the iPhone, all owners with pleasure poke a finger)))
            FASHIONABLE !!!
            In the social network posted everything that is possible and what is impossible))))
            The mystery remained only for those who do not have Wi-Fi)))

            Whiners better explain why now so many documents?
            Pension, medical insurance, TIN, passport.
            Why can’t you use passport data for calculating pensions and paying for treatment and other public services?

            Pension Fund - ordered to live long)))
            Transferred his miserable to the tax administration.
            It's time to get rid of the rest of the ballast.

            This ballast is yelling that everything is gone, the plaster is removed !!!

            As a result, leave one identification document.
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 25 March 2016 14: 43
              +39
              As a result, leave one identification document.
              -------------------------------------------------- ---
              Optimist,! You’ll blink a couple of times and one click on the key and you are gone. There is no bank account, no registration, nothing at all! The system has written off you! An ideal system of total surveillance and subjugation of the population.
              The last step will be the introduction of the chip directly under the skin, right in the delivery room. And we are all a stupid herd belonging to its owner.
              1. FenH
                FenH 25 March 2016 14: 47
                -25%
                Quote: guzik007
                As a result, leave one identification document.
                -------------------------------------------------- ---
                Optimist,! You’ll blink a couple of times and one click on the key and you are gone. There is no bank account, no registration, nothing at all! The system has written off you! An ideal system of total surveillance and subjugation of the population.
                The last step will be the introduction of the chip directly under the skin, right in the delivery room. And we are all a stupid herd belonging to its owner.


                Pessimist! What is described by you is possible now, however, you exist
                1. gorgo
                  gorgo 25 March 2016 15: 12
                  +1
                  How is this possible now? Specifically. Which button do you want to press?
                  1. Vladimir16
                    Vladimir16 25 March 2016 15: 36
                    +11
                    Trigger. wink

                    Remember the Russian proverb:
                    - Do not renounce the sum and the prison.

                    Power always has the tools to suppress the unwanted.

                    For someone to "delete" the chip is definitely not needed.

                    Sometimes an ice ax fits. smile
              2. chikenous59
                chikenous59 25 March 2016 14: 49
                0
                Quote: guzik007
                Optimist,! You’ll blink a couple of times and one click on the key and you are gone. There is no bank account, no registration, nothing at all! The system has written off you! An ideal system of total surveillance and subjugation of the population.
                The last step will be the introduction of the chip directly under the skin, right in the delivery room. And we are a stupid herd belonging to its owner.

                I hope we do not live to see this)
              3. sa-ag
                sa-ag 25 March 2016 15: 10
                +2
                Quote: guzik007
                You’ll blink a couple of times and one click on the key and you’re gone. There is no bank account, no registration, nothing at all! The system has written off you!

                And what prevents you from doing this now, or do you think that all data about citizens is recorded in large granary books? I don't understand the author at all. "... Thus, all information about Russian citizens may end up in the wrong hands - competitors and potential adversaries. Moreover, in detail it will not be inferior to that used by Russian state structures and special services. Geopolitical competitors will be able to start managing social processes in Russia, using information war technologies for this.
                "

                Earlier, telephone and passport bases were generally in the public domain, he himself sought people out of them
                1. gorgo
                  gorgo 25 March 2016 15: 16
                  +14
                  They wrote it clearly: the next stage is the introduction into the human body and that's it. Also say "what's the difference"? The difference is that there will be total satellite surveillance of every person around the clock. Even without a chip under your skin, you will have to carry this card with you all the time, because without it you will not be able to buy anything, nor to travel by public transport - no! And in it there is a zhpies or glonass receiver ...
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 25 March 2016 16: 17
                    +4
                    that there will be total satellite tracking of each person around the clock
                    smile

                    But now it is not so. In the first "Alcatel" there was also access to the engineering menu. And it gave distance to
                    The nearest hundred, usually three, to the nearest meter. By the method of differences, the position of your cell (as long as it has a battery) is determined in the same way. You sleep, you go in transport - the system knows about you, remembers wink and transfers you from cell to cell (in the city it is from half a kilometer to a couple of kilometers) - otherwise she will not be able to work.

                    Well, and to track which rooms were near the place and where they spent the night, say the previous week ... laughing Well, if only to be prudent and leave the phone to a friend before going to a "friend".
                    1. guzik007
                      guzik007 25 March 2016 19: 29
                      +5
                      But now it is not so. In the first "Alcatel" there was also access to the engineering menu.
                      -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
                      One big BUT. Now cellular network operators guarantee at least verbally inviolability of consumer information. Here, the article deals with the total control of the state over a person in all areas: secrets of deposits, correspondence, movement, all that is called personal freedom of a person.
                      1. FenH
                        FenH 25 March 2016 19: 37
                        -2
                        Quote: guzik007
                        But now it is not so. In the first "Alcatel" there was also access to the engineering menu.
                        -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
                        One big BUT. Now cellular network operators guarantee at least verbally inviolability of consumer information. Here, the article deals with the total control of the state over a person in all areas: secrets of deposits, correspondence, movement, all that is called personal freedom of a person.

                        If desired, the state can now access all the information listed by you. So why these high-flown phrases?
                      2. goblin xnumx
                        goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 34
                        +2
                        even more- BUT- throw out the Alcatel :): - but with a chip passport how- if there is no paper alternative?
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 25 March 2016 21: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: guzik007
                        Now cellular network operators guarantee at least verbally inviolability of consumer information

                        There is such a word SORM. And your secrets are no longer secrets at all ..
                      4. aleksey980
                        aleksey980 28 March 2016 01: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: guzik007
                        Now cellular network operators guarantee at least verbally inviolability of consumer information

                        All salt in your offer:
                        Quote: guzik007
                        in words
                      5. pofigist_26_rus
                        pofigist_26_rus 28 March 2016 07: 05
                        +1
                        You will also say that the distribution of CCTV cameras is a worldwide conspiracy. Usually, people who have no real idea about the capabilities of "organs" in modern times scream like that. Remember, please, one simple thing - the more opportunities the state has to monitor its citizens, the higher the chance that law enforcement agencies will solve crimes faster, thanks to access to the movement of people, for example. If something happens to you or your loved ones, God forbid. Therefore, you will have to choose either personal freedom or safety for your family.
                  2. Erg
                    Erg 28 March 2016 08: 14
                    +1
                    gorgo. Do you know what "pleases"? This is a large mass of the electorate who does not try to understand anything at all. Not able to see beyond her own nose. These are the first applicants for the implantation of those very chips. After all, it's okay, it's all nonsense ...
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                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 25 March 2016 16: 04
                  +3
                  sa-ag
                  And in these passport databases it was written how much your neighbor receives, for example, and how much she spent yesterday in the store? I’m sure not. And if you lose this crap? How to recover? And then they will tell you A, let’s friend, just in case, we will roll your fingers back, or we will take the DNA.
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 25 March 2016 16: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    sa-ag
                    And in these passport databases it was written how much your neighbor receives, for example, and how much she spent yesterday in the store? I’m sure not.

                    it is in her bank card, which is also remarkably traceable
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 25 March 2016 16: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: FenH
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      sa-ag
                      And in these passport databases it was written how much your neighbor receives, for example, and how much she spent yesterday in the store? I’m sure not.

                      it is in her bank card, which is also remarkably traceable

                      Yeah, that leads to cash withdrawal. And answer the second half of the question. How to recover?
                      1. FenH
                        FenH 25 March 2016 16: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: FenH
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        sa-ag
                        And in these passport databases it was written how much your neighbor receives, for example, and how much she spent yesterday in the store? I’m sure not.

                        it is in her bank card, which is also remarkably traceable

                        Yeah, that leads to cash withdrawal. And answer the second half of the question.

                        What is bad dear cash withdrawal dear? A gray salary will turn white. Tax fees will increase. It’s much more convenient to pay with a card
                        If you lose, the same procedure as with a credit card, first block, then get a new passport
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 March 2016 17: 11
                        +2
                        I restored the bank card according to my passport, my passport - according to St. about birth, soldier, certificate from housing and communal services, a fine for loss. And if in this crap everything will be in one bottle then what? You may not answer, and so everything is clear - this is DNA analysis, along with fingerprints.
                      3. FenH
                        FenH 25 March 2016 17: 13
                        -5
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        I restored the bank card according to my passport, my passport - according to St. about birth, soldier, certificate from housing and communal services, a fine for loss. And if in this crap everything will be in one bottle then what? You may not answer, and so everything is clear - this is DNA analysis, along with fingerprints.

                        Everything is easier than collecting these pieces of paper. hi
          2. activator
            activator 25 March 2016 19: 17
            +4
            Quote: guzik007
            no. There is no bank account, no registration, nothing at all! The system has written off you! An ideal system of total surveillance and subjugation of the population.
            The last step will be the introduction of the chip directly under the skin, right in the delivery room

            That's right, but some with cries of cheers climb into the loop themselves. Here I don’t like all this. Somewhere deep down in my heart it was warm that Putin wouldn’t do this and would not become Vladimir 3 in Russia who had trouble. So Vladimir 1, he baptized Russia red sun, just don’t say that baptism was accompanied by universal joyful rejoicing and mass festivities. Nothing like blood poured a lot of blood. Vladimir 2 is a Lenin revolution, too, a sea of ​​blood was shed. And what is all the same Vladimir 3? Universal chipization request I don’t know how it will end. I'm afraid that for Russia everything connected with the name Vladimir has epoch-making changes, but not for the better.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 27 March 2016 12: 01
              +2
              I’m afraid that for Russia everything connected with the name Vladimir has epoch-making changes, but not for the better.

              and with the name Boris? repeat or here’s another name - it was generally only once in history - Joseph what
          3. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 39
            +3
            I know how to postpone it :) - let it work out :)
        2. max702
          max702 25 March 2016 15: 14
          +18
          Quote: Vladimir16
          No one forces you to shoot "fingers" and even more so "genomic" information.

          Work in this direction is going on ..
        3. dogens
          dogens 25 March 2016 15: 40
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Pension Fund - ordered to live long)))
          Transferred his miserable to the tax administration.
          It's time to get rid of the rest of the ballast.


          You will excuse me, but except for the moral side of personalities, on the whole, our system as an apparatus works very well. if you don’t appeal now with lines and corruption. then I think a negative assessment of our tax as an apartment cannot be given.
          Pension fund, on the contrary, as an apparatus did not develop for a very long time. Maybe it’s trampling things now? I really honestly do not know that the pension has become part of the tax.
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 25 March 2016 15: 52
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir16
          All information has long been on the servers.
          For some unknown reason, the people do not understand that a person is not alive only with "Windows" (Windows). Fortunately, Linux also exists. And the world is not stuck on this either.
        5. your1970
          your1970 25 March 2016 17: 49
          +9
          "All information has been on servers for a LONG time."
          The people simply don’t know that if SNILS is known, then you can find out passport data (and vice versa) by way of inter-departmental exchange; and fines in automatic mode will come not only for speeding, but also for lack / fake insurance ...
          1. FenH
            FenH 25 March 2016 17: 52
            -2
            Quote: your1970
            "All information has been on servers for a LONG time."
            The people simply don’t know that if SNILS is known, then you can find out passport data (and vice versa) by way of inter-departmental exchange; and fines in automatic mode will come not only for speeding, but also for lack / fake insurance ...

            That's right, now they just want to put it in one single base hi
        6. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 30
          0
          You’ll throw out an iPhone if it’s impatient, but what about the passport? :) I read it, you yourself are ballast, and even with a tour or paid :)
        7. aleksey980
          aleksey980 28 March 2016 01: 04
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir16
          What a whining?
          What's new in the whole process?
          All information has long been on the servers.
          No one forces you to shoot "fingers" and even more so "genomic" information.
          Although in the iPhone, all owners with pleasure poke a finger)))
          FASHIONABLE !!!
          In the social network posted everything that is possible and what is impossible))))
          The mystery remained only for those who do not have Wi-Fi)))
          Whiners better explain why now so many documents?
          Pension, medical insurance, TIN, passport.
          Why can’t you use passport data for calculating pensions and paying for treatment and other public services?
          Pension Fund - ordered to live long)))
          Transferred his miserable to the tax administration.
          It's time to get rid of the rest of the ballast.
          This ballast is yelling that everything is gone, the plaster is removed !!!
          As a result, leave one identification document.

          You are extremely sharply expressed, therefore, and get the minuses (I did not set). You have gone too far about getting rid of ballast.
          And so everything is correct. In social networks, people have already produced so much information about themselves that no biometrics is needed, and so, who needs to know everything about them. I think that this generation of "vkontaktofacebukoviprocheyherny" will gladly implant a chip in their head for access to this crap 24/7. But also alarmism about "ahhh ... I’ll be scribbled by an evil RYZH ... they’ll get to my head ... and in general insidious special services and kakers sleep and see how I would hurt me wassat "also looks extremely stupid.
          By the way, I have no accounts in VK, Facebook, or in other swamps, but nevertheless I have mail, accounts on several forums, debit and credit cards, credit agreements, I used payment via the Internet, contracts with cell phones operators and Internet providers, plus there is information about me on specialized sites on this site, as the founder and the heads of the legal entity, so that, if interested persons wish, is also under the hood. So everything is "under the hood", given that the overwhelming majority have almost all of the above, or even more, although some people think that they are still so all anonymous lol ... But paranoia for some reason does not come, probably because I understand that I, like most people, are like the "elusive Joe" from a bearded joke laughing And someone can not understand this in any way))).
          New technology = new means and methods of committing crimes = new means and methods of struggle. It is inevitable, it cannot be stopped, it was, is and will be, always and at all times.
          In my opinion, all this fuss with such passports started too early, for the sake of money "okiyans". It would be better to develop the existing system, into which state institutions are gradually being built in, and the citizen only needs to get his own electronic signature (like a token) to receive services. Legislatively, departments would be encouraged to switch to electronic services, so they themselves would promote this cause.
        8. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 28 March 2016 08: 14
          0
          + a lot. I wrote everything correctly: "multipass" is much more convenient than a bunch of separate pieces of paper.
        9. fotopavka
          fotopavka 28 March 2016 11: 58
          0
          Vladimir, do not scold us "whiners", this is not decent.
          Have you read the article carefully?
          And the fingers and the genome - they will force everyone to take it off. It is about the security of the state and the individual.
        10. Angry orc
          Angry orc 30 March 2016 01: 42
          0
          I don’t know why they are minus, I received such a card last year, called UEC, unfortunately the project was closed and now I use it instead of the MHI policy and pay for purchases
      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 25 March 2016 15: 52
        -4
        The electronic passport project is being introduced around the world at the initiative of the world financial capitalist loan sharks of the US Federal Reserve's private banking system - to establish their “new world order and hold power over the whole world in their hands”


        Well, yes, and greedy capitalists, in pursuit of profit, began to massively introduce machines, automation of production, computers, robots, etc. They even came up with a special term to justify their private ownership interest: scientific and technological progress. But we, of course, will not take their tricks. Down with the Internet and computers, long live the physical labor of a simple proletarian. The best way to protect information from enemies is the lack of information itself! Long live the primitive communal system, the most communal system in the world! wink
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 28 March 2016 00: 14
          0
          Quote: Nikolai K
          The electronic passport project is being introduced around the world at the initiative of the world financial capitalist loan sharks of the US Federal Reserve's private banking system - to establish their “new world order and hold power over the whole world in their hands”


          Well, yes, and greedy capitalists, in pursuit of profit, began to massively introduce machines, automation of production, computers, robots, etc. They even came up with a special term to justify their private ownership interest: scientific and technological progress. But we, of course, will not take their tricks. Down with the Internet and computers, long live the physical labor of a simple proletarian. The best way to protect information from enemies is the lack of information itself! Long live the primitive communal system, the most communal system in the world! wink

          Come on you. This is a senile grumbling among the people. I'm used to it.
          Objectively, everything goes to the chip implanted in a person, there is no getting around it.
      3. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 28 March 2016 02: 40
        +3
        You can indignantly scream, shout, tear your hair out, and things are still there.
        Order of the Ministry of Industry and Energy of the Russian Federation of 07.08.2007 n 311 "On Approval of the Strategy for the Development of the Electronic Industry of Russia for the Period up to 2025" http://www.lawmix.ru/prof/14530 (see after Table 6). This is not a joke, this is a quote: "Nanoelectronics will integrate with BIOBITS and provide continuous control over the maintenance of their vital functions, improve the quality of life, and thus reduce the social costs of the state." Did you understand? bioobjects! Well, and who whom? Nano-makers who wouldn’t do anything, get away with it, or ordinary people (bioobjects)?
    2. ermak.sidorov
      ermak.sidorov 25 March 2016 14: 07
      +7
      Breakthrough Bubble! Echelons of Bubble! Tankers!

      I BELIEVE IN CHUBAIS! HE - BEFORE! HE - CAN! What is it in vain chtoli trained for so many years on nano-nanotechnology =)
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 25 March 2016 14: 15
      +10
      the document will also replace the pension certificate, and the policy of compulsory medical insurance, and besides, it can be used as a payment instrument. The map will contain all the information about a Russian citizen, including biometric and probably genomic - lost - hanged himself ...
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 25 March 2016 14: 22
        -1
        Quote: lelikas
        lost - hanged himself ...

        The main thing is not to lose honor and conscience, but the "plastic" will be restored.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 March 2016 14: 54
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        lost - hanged himself

        Hang yourself, this is an amateur, but a normal person will just get a new one - all the information is stored on the server. wink
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 25 March 2016 16: 10
          +2
          Quote: Bayonet
          Hang yourself, this is an amateur, but a normal person will just get a new one - all the information is stored on the server.

          This is understandable, but only at the time of recovery, there is a chance to be left without the last pants, at best.
        2. cap
          cap 28 March 2016 03: 32
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          Hang yourself, this is an amateur, but a normal person will just get a new one - all the information is stored on the server. wink


          Did the server break down?
    4. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 28 March 2016 10: 32
      0
      Chubais will help with the dough)))
    5. Navy7981
      Navy7981 28 March 2016 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Pravdarm
      And the dough, BABLA on this business how much can be sawed ??? !!!
      This is - equipment that produces chips, cards, equipment in each of us. point, point of registration of passports!
      Processing Center, etc.! Completely new system!
      Breakthrough Bubble! Echelons of Bubble! Tankers!

      So what now? Do nothing in general? They are sawing everywhere and they will be sawing. Convert the plant - new machines - cut, re-equipment - cut! So you can list any movement, any action and declare - saw the bastards.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 March 2016 13: 12
    +9
    "Russia is preparing to introduce an electronic passport. According to the concept developers, it should become the main document."
    You can cook at least two electronic passports. But when are you going to cook in the FMS, are you not bribed workers? Or you can immediately see with the naked eye that the FMS is working for us. Go to the street for example.
    1. dogens
      dogens 25 March 2016 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      In Russia, the introduction of an electronic passport is being prepared. According to the concept developers, it should become the main document "
      You can cook at least two electronic passports. But when are you going to cook in the FMS, are you not bribed workers? Or you can immediately see with the naked eye that the FMS is working for us. Go to the street for example.

      It is not excluded that "these", that are now on the streets of Adler, ... well, the very ones you are talking about ...., the electronic passport will be received before you, and you will still stand in line and become mortified!
  3. INTER
    INTER 25 March 2016 13: 12
    +17
    Cons in these passports are much more than pluses. And the main minus is that they put a person in a tight framework, and in the plans of the same security they make him absolutely defenseless.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 25 March 2016 14: 39
      +5
      Imagine that you didn’t please government circles or some officials. And you immediately closed the account with all the cash! For the next step on the path of control and slavish subordination of the individual by financial capital will be mandatory - the introduction in the country and the world of only electronic money!

      So step march, earthlings, into slavery to the world financial tycoons! They only dream about it.
      1. FenH
        FenH 25 March 2016 14: 44
        -2
        Quote: Tatiana
        Imagine that you didn’t please government circles or some officials. And you immediately closed the account with all the cash! For the next step on the path to control and slavish subordination of the individual by financial capital will be mandatory - the introduction of electronic money only!
        So step march earthlings into slavery to the world financial tycoons! They only dream about it.

        Tatyana, you may not believe it, but they can do it now, without any problems seizing your accounts and your movable and non-movable property, and electronic money is the terrible dream of all corrupt officials, try to bribe if there is no cash, and any transaction is monitored laughing
        1. dogens
          dogens 25 March 2016 15: 52
          +4
          Quote: FenH
          Tatyana, you may not believe it, but they can do it now, without any problems seizing your accounts and your movable and non-movable property, and electronic money is the terrible dream of all corrupt officials, try to bribe if there is no cash, and any transaction is monitored


          Just fit the right contract for the right deal with the right company and you casually transferred money into the pocket of an official. I can give you assurance that there are a lot of schemes with bank transfer, otherwise schemes with large companies would be impossible in principle. Another thing is that without cash to use for small business this money will be very difficult.
          1. FenH
            FenH 25 March 2016 15: 56
            -3
            Quote: dogens
            Quote: FenH
            Tatyana, you may not believe it, but they can do it now, without any problems seizing your accounts and your movable and non-movable property, and electronic money is the terrible dream of all corrupt officials, try to bribe if there is no cash, and any transaction is monitored


            Just fit the right contract for the right deal with the right company and you casually transferred money into the pocket of an official. I can give you assurance that there are a lot of schemes with bank transfer, otherwise schemes with large companies would be impossible in principle. Another thing is that without cash to use for small business this money will be very difficult.


            I don’t argue, but for small officials this procedure is expensive. We don’t turn billions with you, so we are more concerned with corruption in the lower layers
            hi
        2. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 42
          +1
          an official’s nightmare is like in a science fiction story- a medallion of power on the official’s neck with the equivalent number of TNT and an unbreakable lock:) - N-th number of negative reviews about the work of the official — a — op-pa-vacancy- and between the voting- yes pozhalsta- and salary and benefits- and insurance- pozhalsto- but until the deadline has come out, wear medals on the neck :)
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 25 March 2016 21: 48
            -5
            Quote: Leshy74
            N-th number of negative reviews about the work of the rank ...

            - immediately comes to mind, for example, the district ... he also hang such a thing?
      2. chikenous59
        chikenous59 25 March 2016 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: Tatiana

        So step march, earthlings, into slavery to the world financial tycoons! They only dream about it.

        And Putin has nothing to do with it laughing
        He cannot do anything about it, he cannot refuse the West its whims. Although according to your beliefs, he is an iron and strong-willed person.
        1. dogens
          dogens 25 March 2016 15: 58
          +3
          Quote: chikenous59
          Quote: Tatiana

          So step march, earthlings, into slavery to the world financial tycoons! They only dream about it.

          And Putin has nothing to do with it laughing
          He cannot do anything about it, he cannot refuse the West its whims. Although according to your beliefs, he is an iron and strong-willed person.

          Are you sure that the question is in a person as a head?
          He is exactly from the same state as you. Approximately also grew and communicated with the same peers. Are you sure that being in the same places, in the same environment, with the same conditions, you will be capable of at least these actions?

          I now believe that even the most conscientious official, once in the camp of the wolves in an hour, becomes the same. Or he runs away from there. The system should not start with Putin, but with the oligarch, whose interests are lobbied. There will be no people with monetary interests, there will be no laws and deeds for these interests.
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 45
            0
            nonsense, and who do you think should be the first to say a word? - surname or position? - announce if you do not agree with the presidential candidacy :)
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 March 2016 14: 59
        -2
        Quote: Tatiana
        And you immediately closed the account with all the cash!

        And now you can’t close ??? Yes, like two fingers ...! Do not make me laugh! smile
      4. sa-ag
        sa-ag 25 March 2016 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: Tatiana
        Introduction to the country and the world only electronic money!

        They are now electronic and now they can arrest an account
        1. INTER
          INTER 25 March 2016 18: 24
          +3
          Quote: sa-ag
          They are electronic now, and now I can arrest an account

          Accounts yes, but cash, if there is none, what will you do?
      5. max702
        max702 25 March 2016 15: 22
        +1
        Quote: Tatiana
        Imagine that you didn’t please government circles or some officials. And you immediately closed the account with all the cash! For the next step on the path of control and slavish subordination of the individual by financial capital will be mandatory - the introduction in the country and the world of only electronic money!

        So step march, earthlings, into slavery to the world financial tycoons! They only dream about it.

        That’s why the whole world is getting rid of cash .. And yes .. general chipization is the next step, at first it’s just a repository of information and a payment document, but with the development of technology and direct control over a person at a physiological level. Emotions, life and death, all this can be controlled through a chip, it is practically accessible and now the question is in infrastructure ..
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 14: 57
      -6
      Quote: INTER
      Cons in these passports are much more than pluses. And the main minus is that they put a person in a tight framework, and in the plans of the same security they make him absolutely defenseless.

      Justify. Now a lot of all kinds of cards, policies, certificates and other papers - is it so safe? smile
      1. FenH
        FenH 25 March 2016 15: 05
        -6
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: INTER
        Cons in these passports are much more than pluses. And the main minus is that they put a person in a tight framework, and in the plans of the same security they make him absolutely defenseless.

        Justify. Now a lot of all kinds of cards, policies, certificates and other papers - is it so safe? smile

        No, it's just more familiar to them. laughing
        1. INTER
          INTER 25 March 2016 18: 31
          +5
          New Testament, Revelation chapter 13 of art. 16-18
          16 And he will do that for all, small and great, rich and poor, free and slaves, a mark will be laid on their right hand or on their forehead,
          17 and that no one will be allowed to buy or sell, except for the one who has this mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
          18 Here is wisdom. Whoever has a mind, consider the number of the beast, for it is a human number; its number is six hundred sixty six.
          New Testament, Revelation 14: 9-11
          9 And the third angel followed them, saying in a loud voice: whoever worships the beast and his image and accepts the mark on his forehead, or on his hand,
          10 He will drink the wine of the fury of God, whole wine prepared in the cup of His wrath, and will be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy Angels and before the Lamb;
          11 and the smoke of their torment will ascend forever and ever, and they will have no rest day or night worshiping the beast and his image and accepting the mark of his name.
          New Testament, Revelation 15: 2
          2 And I saw, as it were, a glassy sea, mixed with fire; and those who defeated the beast and his image, and his mark and the number of his name, stand on this glass sea, holding the harp of God,
          New Testament, Revelation 16: 2
          Quote: FenH

          No, it's just more familiar to them.

          I am not a Christian, but there is some connection in this, think.
          1. FenH
            FenH 25 March 2016 18: 39
            -6
            Quote: INTER
            New Testament, Revelation chapter 13 of art. 16-18
            16 And he will do that for all, small and great, rich and poor, free and slaves, a mark will be laid on their right hand or on their forehead,
            17 and that no one will be allowed to buy or sell, except for the one who has this mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
            18 Here is wisdom. Whoever has a mind, consider the number of the beast, for it is a human number; its number is six hundred sixty six.
            New Testament, Revelation 14: 9-11
            9 And the third angel followed them, saying in a loud voice: whoever worships the beast and his image and accepts the mark on his forehead, or on his hand,
            10 He will drink the wine of the fury of God, whole wine prepared in the cup of His wrath, and will be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy Angels and before the Lamb;
            11 and the smoke of their torment will ascend forever and ever, and they will have no rest day or night worshiping the beast and his image and accepting the mark of his name.
            New Testament, Revelation 15: 2
            2 And I saw, as it were, a glassy sea, mixed with fire; and those who defeated the beast and his image, and his mark and the number of his name, stand on this glass sea, holding the harp of God,
            New Testament, Revelation 16: 2
            Quote: FenH

            No, it's just more familiar to them.

            I am not a Christian, but there is some connection in this, think.

            I don’t see the connection, absolutely laughing
            1. INTER
              INTER 25 March 2016 18: 57
              +2
              Quote: FenH
              I don’t see the connection, absolutely

              Not time yet wink when you see how everything will be robotic
              (Already now, factories where thousands of people worked before work with 30-40 people) and a huge amount of slave labor has been freed, when every penny is under surveillance, when there are 9 billion people on the planet. Then it will be visible to the naked eye. It’s not my fault that you don’t have a tool.
              1. FenH
                FenH 25 March 2016 19: 07
                -2
                Quote: INTER
                Quote: FenH
                I don’t see the connection, absolutely

                Not time yet wink when you see how everything will be robotic
                (Already now, factories where thousands of people worked before work with 30-40 people) and a huge amount of slave labor has been freed, when every penny is under surveillance, when there are 9 billion people on the planet. Then it will be visible to the naked eye. It’s not my fault that you don’t have a tool.


                Do you think that manual labor is better than mechanized labor? Higher returns from mechanized labor. Pay attention to the fulfillment of government orders, the lack of modern equipment and equipment affects the timing.
                1. INTER
                  INTER 25 March 2016 19: 18
                  +2
                  And what will you do if you are left without work, well, they will tell you as part of the modernization, or your children and grandchildren will be without work, they have replaced everyone and state orders are all being fulfilled. All people are biomass) and what’s more, you have to take a chopper in your hands and in the nearest meadow, sow potatoes and if they give, a land tax however, but what to pay if you are without work? I certainly explain primitively, but that’s not the point !!!! /
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 25 March 2016 19: 26
                    -6
                    Quote: INTER
                    And what will you do if you are left without work, well, they will tell you as part of the modernization, or your children and grandchildren will be without work, they have replaced everyone and state orders are all being fulfilled. All people are biomass) and what’s more, you have to take a chopper in your hands and in the nearest meadow, sow potatoes and if they give, a land tax however, but what to pay if you are without work? I certainly explain primitively, but that’s not the point !!!! /


                    People should create and maintain machines, so neither my children nor I will remain without work. And believe me, the Russian population will not gain critical mass soon, the one that our territory will not be able to feed and provide work. And for the remaining 8.850 billion, I it’s all the same. I don’t need world peace, I need PEACE in Russia
                  2. INTER
                    INTER 25 March 2016 19: 40
                    +5
                    Quote: FenH
                    I do not need world peace, I need PEACE in Russia

                    laughing And you try to stop these 8.8 billion hungry people, if they run to us, look at Europe a few million cannot stop, and you are about a billion))) I really respect your opinion, but I can’t imagine 145 million car designers, and the service team . Remember the former accountants with a staff of 15-20 people, now 1-2 accountants with 1s! I’ll ask another question, where are the creators you are talking about now? You can’t talk about a normal specialist during the day with fire, or are you talking about those 96% who say that the sun revolves around the earth? For interest, ask 10 m familiar alumni the question of what is amoeba, do a good analysis about the critical mass.
          2. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 47
            -1
            to the optometrist or return the certificate of obr - condolences to teachers:) - in vain tried
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  5. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 25 March 2016 16: 00
    +3
    What security? Do you think NOW your personal information is stored exclusively in paper books? I will disappoint you, it has long been in electronic form and is processed on computers with the Microsoft operating system. But somehow the current "patriots" prefer to keep quiet about this. So it won't get worse. Just this program assumes the transition to DOMESTIC hardware and software, which will INCREASE the security of stored data. And the transition to an electronic passport and electronic money is INEVITABLE. Do not be like grandmothers who at one time refused to receive an INN, considering it a devilish invention.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 25 March 2016 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Unfortunately, these technologies cannot be stopped, sooner or later, but they will come.

    But there is no need to rush! First, you need to accustom officials and people to electronic lines before these cards!
    For those who have not encountered:
    You come to the office, there is a terminal and a reference booth. You specify your request in the booth and in the terminal you receive a coupon printout to enter the necessary office or reception window. The official got free, the man went out and the number of the next incoming person is displayed on the scoreboard.
    When everyone gets used to this, then you can introduce a semblance of personal cards and still better through electronic queues! To avoid the usual "globulars" with the phrase - "And I'll just ask!"
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 03
      -1
      Quote: Starover_Z
      You come to the office, there is a terminal and a reference booth. You specify your request in the booth and in the terminal you receive a coupon printout to enter the necessary office or reception window. The official got free, the man went out and the number of the next incoming person is displayed on the scoreboard.

      Very comfortably! Nobody nervously tramples under the door or at the window, there are no quarrels and curses about the order. hi
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 25 March 2016 15: 40
        -1
        Convenient for the official?
        1. aleksey980
          aleksey980 28 March 2016 01: 51
          0
          Quote: Gorinich
          Convenient for the official?

          First of all, for the client.
  • attuda
    attuda 25 March 2016 13: 29
    0
    they will come...

    And lead spring
    And scatter the gray clouds of troops
    And when we all look him in the eye
    Does longing look at us from our eyes?
    ............................. V. Tsoi

    An input is being prepared in Russia ...
    ¿
    As long as
    --It's another NIVA-about.
  • Passer
    Passer 25 March 2016 21: 24
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Unfortunately, these technologies cannot be stopped, sooner or later, but they will come.

    Yeah, a barcode on my hand, a chip in my head, 50 grams of TNT to the chip (if the wrong thoughts appear), what else? There was already a number with a number.
    Better late than early.
  • SveTok
    SveTok 27 March 2016 11: 09
    0
    Stupid idea.
  • gorefest7777
    gorefest7777 27 March 2016 22: 15
    0
    Why bourgeois software again? What again have our official Russian OSes not noticed?
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  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 25 March 2016 13: 44
    +1
    You know, the idea itself is not just good, it's great.
    But only its implementation should be solved at the state level by creating additional infrastructure.
    Few in Russia know that our military, when necessary, use only domestic equipment, yes yes. our computers and software, moreover, the programming language differs significantly from foreign counterparts that are widely distributed in our country. And hacker attacks are practically not possible, not only because local systems are closed on shared networks, the encryption structure itself is fundamentally different, instead of a two-bit system, it uses a three-bit one, they have yes or no, we have yes or no,
    So that the state will be able to protect the system of cyber passports,
    And about the eyes of the big brother, so I dare to assure you, he has long been registered in your pants. and, unfortunately, this big brother is not ours at all, and not even a brother, but a thoroughbred warrior, sitting behind a hill and collecting information, which, as you know, is the key to everything.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 25 March 2016 15: 16
      +2
      Quote: OlegLex
      Moreover, the programming language differs significantly from foreign counterparts that are widely distributed in the territory of our country.

      are you talking about what programming language are you writing? :-)
  • vlade99
    vlade99 25 March 2016 13: 53
    +3
    Quote: Magic Archer
    Paradise for hackers

    Paradise for gangsters of any level. for good money, anyone can become guilty of any crime, anyone can lose their property and the bandit can be left without punishment. In our state, corrupt officials, it will not end well for an honest person.
  • Lanser
    Lanser 25 March 2016 14: 35
    +1
    Cyberpunk
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  • erased
    erased 25 March 2016 13: 00
    +13
    That the info from the chip is whistling half the battle. And the main trouble is total control over the person. So do not believe the science fiction who warned about this half a century ago.
    1. Wolverine
      Wolverine 25 March 2016 13: 11
      +17
      So the world government plan is already in action? I do not want to be chipovat, I will protect my personal life, family and home by all available means ...
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 25 March 2016 15: 03
        0
        Quote: Wolverine
        So the world government plan is already in action? I don’t want to be chipped, I will protect my personal life, family and home by all available means ...

        Serious guys will come to you and, like a nice little chip, "take" laughing
    2. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 25 March 2016 13: 16
      +16
      This once again confirms that the USSR was not totalitarian, but the current government is striving for totalitarianism. And it's not about the progress of technology. Capital needs idiots, but even idiots need total control.
    3. chikenous59
      chikenous59 25 March 2016 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: erased
      That the info from the chip is whistling half the battle. And the main trouble is total control over the person. So do not believe the science fiction who warned about this half a century ago.

      What did you make out about everything about total control?

      An article about a passport has been published, and you are immediately talking about total control. Is there nothing more to hear about?

      You may think now it’s hard to find the information you need, erase your money account and savings account. If necessary, they will also crack your mail box in minutes and connect to the telephone camera and record the conversation you need ...
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 25 March 2016 21: 09
        0
        Quote: chikenous59
        and connect to the telephone camera and record the desired conversation
        Information carriers have become so tiny that all conversations can be automatically recorded in the storage, nmv, and when necessary, a recording of all conversations of any person during the storage period can be quickly found by voice.
      2. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 21: 53
        0
        judging by the profile picture and the comment above - among those who come, you will probably be ... :(
    4. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 25 March 2016 16: 09
      +1
      What will the info from the chip give you? Today you come to the bank to buy currency, and there they take a copy of your passport, supposedly guided by the instructions of the Central Bank. What is the difference? Yes, nothing. But about the total control you rightly noted. The state is VERY CONVENIENT. But any control can be used both for good and for evil. You can completely control all cash flows and get rid of the black market and the same corruption, but you can on the contrary breed corruption using personal information.
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 25 March 2016 13: 00
    +13
    I am not a big fan of K. Sivkov's analytics No. , but in this case, I completely agree with him: the figure will not bring to good request . Digital bondage is the same bondage as financial, and just physical, etc. And it’ll be even worse ... sad
    And generally speaking what ... I constantly say to my young colleagues at work: "New technologies will ruin the world." yes
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 13: 08
      -4
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Digital bondage is the same bondage as financial, and just physical, etc. A

      specifically - in relation to id-shniki, what did they see as bondage?
      1. dali
        dali 25 March 2016 13: 47
        +3
        Quote: Pinky F.
        specifically - in relation to id-shniki, what did they see as bondage?

        Actually, the evil partisan said about his colleagues ...

        And it doesn’t matter who you are, IT young or not really laughing - i.e. are you not afraid to get under total control ?! belay

        Yes, and if you are an IT specialist, will your data be protected better than now? Science is developing ... even an imprint, even a genome, even an iris can be repeated already in the basement ... you want to say it will be possible to slap left passports like this, again, this will not be accessible to a simple respectable citizen, and guess who it will be three times .

        Stealing data, for example, a resident of Kamchatka and using it will be much easier for the respective gentlemen ... but coming to Kamchatka and stealing is much more difficult, if only because you will inherit it in full !!!

        And the strategic danger for the whole country will increase immeasurably!

        So is it necessary now ... damn it, bank cards really cannot yet be protected, and there, pass passports on a chip ...
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 01
          -3
          Quote: Dali
          Yes, and if you are an IT specialist

          what does it have to do with
          Quote: Dali
          IT specialist

          ?
          the difference between ID and IT do not catch?
          Quote: Dali
          Stealing data, for example, a resident of Kamchatka and using it will be much easier

          it is now easy to do.
          1. dali
            dali 25 March 2016 14: 14
            +1
            Quote: Pinky F.
            it is now easy to do.

            You know how to read to the end - yes it’s easy, only hard, when you don’t want to inherit ... it wasn’t clear chtol ?! laughing

            Quote: Pinky F.
            the difference between ID and IT do not catch?

            So enlighten who are the identity people? laughing

            Yes, it was not clear that it doesn’t matter who you are, an identifier or an IT specialist ... will there be a different chip - like for identifiers and alien chips and bases on Mars ?! laughing
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 24
              -2
              Quote: Dali
              So enlighten who are the identity people?

              Yes, it was not clear that it doesn’t matter who you are, an identifier or an IT specialist ... will there be a different chip - like for identifiers and alien chips and bases on Mars ?!
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 25 March 2016 15: 18
              0
              Quote: Dali
              So enlighten who are the identity people?

              Mdya .. literacy is simply amazing ..

              ID - from the word Identification (Number) - a unique number assigned to something-no-nothing-lo laughing

              That's all.

              You will be surprised - your passport already has such a number. And he’s already assigned to you .. as if yes
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      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 25 March 2016 14: 47
        +2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        in relation to id-shnik ...

        what
        request
        recourse
        I'm a man of the old formation fool . I got used to papers and telephones with a round disk and ruble denominations. sad Well does not accept request I have a soul in the general digitalization of society ... Although he himself at one time was engaged in fairly tight programming ...
        1. FenH
          FenH 25 March 2016 14: 52
          -2
          Quote: wicked partisan
          Quote: Pinky F.
          in relation to id-shnik ...

          what
          request
          recourse
          I'm a man of the old formation fool . I got used to papers and telephones with a round disk and ruble denominations. sad Well does not accept request I have a soul in the general digitalization of society ... Although he himself at one time was engaged in fairly tight programming ...


          Greetings dear hi the new does not mean bad, we still refused the burdock in favor of toilet paper wink Already online, special services can check any document, so the main focus is biometric data
        2. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 15: 04
          -1
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          I'm a man of the old formation

          Yes, I, in fact, too. I don’t give a damn when the new iPhone comes out, but I use the communication benefits without snobbery, purely utilitarian) I suspect that most are here too. So what to do?
          There, the pontiff - and that account in the instagram started, so as not to lag behind the herd ...
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 March 2016 13: 02
    -2
    The use of electronic passports is possible only with a developed information infrastructure. Without it, we get a piece of plastic. The amount of information that can be placed on chips is relatively small.

    Brad, dozens of "gigs" of information are crammed into the chips!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 25 March 2016 13: 11
      +1
      RUSS! 13.02/1. Here, apparently, the whole question is what information and how much will be uploaded to the chip. There may be limitations on the amount of memory. 32 Gig or XNUMX Gig. If only the data of the passport and insurance, then the volume is scanty. Not knowing the customer’s needs, it’s too early to talk about it.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 25 March 2016 13: 16
        -2
        Quote: Region 34
        Here, apparently, the whole question is what information and how much will be uploaded to the chip.

        From the article it is clear that there is not so much information, or rather, it is very small ..
        1. Samen
          Samen 25 March 2016 13: 45
          +4
          From the article it is clear that there is not so much information, or rather, it is very small ..

          But I liked the conclusion!
          good
          Therefore, the introduction of electronic passports in Russia is at least premature.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 25 March 2016 13: 05
    +10
    Stupid article. Obviously no one will upload data to the card. There will be an identifier for accessing data in the database. Therefore, even with this identifier, an attacker will not be able to access the data, since they are located on servers in an isolated network. The servers will obviously not be Windows, but which linux thread. About the issue of cards, too, it is somehow doubtful. Stamped a huge number of bank chips and chips for phones, and nothing.
  • kebeskin
    kebeskin 25 March 2016 13: 06
    +10
    As an information security specialist. I don’t see much difference. So your data will not be difficult to find out for hackers and other special services if it is very necessary. And the eye of the big brother has long been watching us. An example of the American echelon or our SORM. Well, and the development itself, it goes into the realm of numbers, and this cannot be avoided, whether we would like it or not. Everything has its pros and cons
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 25 March 2016 15: 29
      -1
      Quote: kebeskin
      And the eye of the big brother has long been watching us. American example Echelonor ours SORM

      Exactly.

      I want to put 100 pluses .. but I can not (one did) yes

      PS: For those who have never heard the highlighted words, I highly recommend replenishing the knowledge run (until the Internet is shut down, GYYYYY laughing ). Hint: both are systems for the extraction and analysis of information (espionage, that is). Echelon (American) started earlier and therefore, IMHO, more "advanced".
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 25 March 2016 13: 06
    +1
    The author is right in the main - it is currently impossible to create such a system with Microsoft. Everything should be only your own and very reliable. One can only guess what information the US and NATO already have about us. It is no secret that many computer and mobile applications openly declare their free access to user information.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 25 March 2016 15: 49
      +2
      Haha Now people are working to make nation states disappear, and you are afraid of Microsoft. Everyone needs a chip in the ass and an alarm clock is not needed, you will run on a command to work and when you are released from work. But if the electronic system fails, then it’s completely melancholy.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 March 2016 13: 07
    +3
    All this is bullshit, someone wants to cut some money like our Reimer on electronic bracelets. Let them travel around the remote Russian corners, I’ll see how they complete this procedure there. The matter is basically good, but the time has not yet come for this; there are more important things to do.
  • Amurets
    Amurets 25 March 2016 13: 07
    +2
    Not only premature, but also harmful. The 10th Windows is specially sharpened so that the NSA collects all data about users. This is not an allegation, but realities. As long as there is no official OS, all databases will be on the network. Now there is little data on the network , and there is a personal account, and there, but no one will give me a guarantee that access to mine is securely blocked.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 25 March 2016 13: 09
    +1
    As people say ... without a piece of paper you are a small insect, and with a piece of paper a sparrow ... Everyone has the right to choose their own essence and there is no need to impose a new-fangled spirit by force, otherwise the same collectivization of the last century will turn out.
  • tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 25 March 2016 13: 09
    +6
    This is not about introducing total control, but about improving it, reaching a higher level. The paper - passport system is already total state control. They tried to cancel it in 1917 and everyone was very upset very quickly. The key question is: "Whose state, whom does it serve?"
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 13: 18
      -1
      Quote: tiredwithall
      This is not about introducing total control, but about improving it

      right. People use mobile phones, credit cards and the Internet, not counting these as control tools, but for some reason they immediately instituted id-cards - "Big brother! Total control! We will all be under a hood!" laughing
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 13
        -1
        Quote: Pinky F.
        right. People use mobile phones, credit cards and the Internet, not counting these as control tools, but for some reason they immediately instituted id-cards - "Big brother! Total control! We will all be under a hood!"

        What a paranoia! People who have no idea about information technology are most outraged, because everything incomprehensible scares! bully
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 25 March 2016 15: 22
        +2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        People use mobile phones

        Especially juicy that mobile phones with a fingerprint sensor :-) And no one is against :-)
        1. FenH
          FenH 25 March 2016 15: 24
          -2
          Quote: sa-ag
          Quote: Pinky F.
          People use mobile phones

          Especially juicy that mobile phones with a fingerprint sensor :-) And no one is against :-)


          I am not against fingerprinting, especially for those entering the country. Those who wish to enter would be significantly eliminated hi
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 11
            -2
            Quote: FenH
            I am not against fingerprinting, especially for those entering the country. Those who wish to enter would be significantly eliminated

            count up - on Shabolovka in the German visa center, I remember when the dacty was just introduced, one aunt-applicant in the queue for the scan confidentially tells me: "We were fascists, and they remained fascists ..." I told her: "Aha ... They say, soon they will make the tattoos cut off ... "She:" Long time ago!
            Now I know what Grandma Timati looks like ...
            1. FenH
              FenH 25 March 2016 16: 13
              -2
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Quote: FenH
              I am not against fingerprinting, especially for those entering the country. Those who wish to enter would be significantly eliminated

              count up - on Shabolovka in the German visa center, I remember when the dacty was just introduced, one aunt-applicant in the queue for the scan confidentially tells me: "We were fascists, and they remained fascists ..." I told her: "Aha ... They say, soon they will make the tattoos cut off ... "She:" Long time ago!
              Now I know what Grandma Timati looks like ...

              good I won’t ask where she stabbed herself laughing
  • vanavatny
    vanavatny 25 March 2016 13: 16
    +11
    I want this, albeit electronic hi
    1. Lantau
      Lantau 25 March 2016 13: 26
      +4
      Better paper!
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 32
        +4
        Quote: Lantau
        Better paper!

        and filled with caligraphic handwriting without fail!
      2. Hellraiser
        Hellraiser 25 March 2016 15: 01
        +4
        what's in my hands
        hammery
        sickly
        Soviet passport.
        I would be a wolf
        gnawed
        bureaucracy.
        To mandates
        no respect.
        To any
        to hell with mothers
        roll around
        any piece of paper.
        But this ...
        Я
        I get
        from wide legs
        duplicate
        priceless cargo.
        Read,
        envy,
        I am -
        citizen
        Soviet Union. good
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 15: 08
          -2
          Quote: Hellraiser
          I would be a wolf
          gnawed
          bureaucracy.

          relevant ..
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 22
        -1
        Quote: Lantau
        Better paper!

        And to whom and clay mile! laughing
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 39
      0
      Quote: vanavate
      I want this

      ehma ...

      I pull out from wide legs
      Having found among other devices ...
      Were you paper, paper now
      And stay on paper !!!
    3. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 59
      0
      Quote: vanavate
      I want this

      passports are over. Take a party ticket? smile
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 32
        -2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        passports are over. Take a party ticket?

        Is that a password and a review? bully
        1. FenH
          FenH 25 March 2016 18: 40
          -2
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: Pinky F.
          passports are over. Take a party ticket?

          Is that a password and a review? bully

          Comrades spies turnout do not shoot bully
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 20: 20
            -3
            Quote: Bayonet
            Is that a password and a review?

            Quote: FenH
            Comrades spies turnout do not shoot
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 20
      0
      Quote: vanavate
      I want this

      Buy cover and wear it to your health! wink
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 12
        -2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Buy cover

        Thank you, Sash. Long puzzled over airbrushing for my "penny" ...
        Bingo! Found!
        1. FenH
          FenH 25 March 2016 16: 16
          -2
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Quote: Bayonet
          Buy cover

          Thank you, Sash. Long puzzled over airbrushing for my "penny" ...
          Bingo! Found!

          Then on the trunk you need
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 44
            -1
            Quote: FenH
            Then on the trunk you need

            I don't understand ... but where is the slogan "Workers of all countries ..."
            Without the Kyrgyz "Bardyk өlkөlөrdүn proletarlars, birikkile!" it will be a kind of understatement.
            1. FenH
              FenH 25 March 2016 16: 48
              -2
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Quote: FenH
              Then on the trunk you need

              I don't understand ... but where is the slogan "Workers of all countries ..."
              Without the Kyrgyz "Bardyk өlkөlөrdүn proletarlars, birikkile!" it will be a kind of understatement.

              Fixed
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 17: 17
                -3
                Quote: FenH
                Fixed

                OK. I'm ready.
                1. FenH
                  FenH 25 March 2016 17: 19
                  -2
                  Quote: Pinky F.
                  Quote: FenH
                  Fixed

                  OK. I'm ready.

                  Hmm, then better on the roof, it looks more intact
                  1. Pinkie F.
                    Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 17: 54
                    -3
                    Quote: FenH
                    Hmm, then better on the roof, it looks more intact

                    there will be a roof rack. Even when there are no pipes, boards and bricks on it, such beauty can be seen only from buses and from the second floors. Doesn't roll your offer, comrade. I'm sorry.
                    1. FenH
                      FenH 25 March 2016 17: 58
                      -2
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      Quote: FenH
                      Hmm, then better on the roof, it looks more intact

                      there will be a roof rack. Even when there are no pipes, boards and bricks on it, such beauty can be seen only from buses and from the second floors. Doesn't roll your offer, comrade. I'm sorry.

                      Somehow you quickly repaired it belay or are you from the oligarchs, you change cars like gloves wink
                      1. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 18: 07
                        -2
                        Quote: FenH
                        or are you from the oligarchs, you change cars like gloves

                        Yes, no, I’m a watchman at the reception center. laughing
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                      3. Bayonet
                        Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 28
                        -3
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Yes, no, I’m a watchman at the reception center.

                        But there is none? To say that mine - they will spit it or not believe it! smile It was simply dulled, it was the case behind the hill. wassat
                      4. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 18: 53
                        -3
                        Quote: Bayonet
                        But there is none?

                        with all due respect, San ... so far only .. Chevy with mileage across Brazil nnnada?
                      5. FenH
                        FenH 25 March 2016 19: 08
                        -2
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Quote: Bayonet
                        But there is none?

                        with all due respect, San ... so far only .. Chevy with mileage across Brazil nnnada?

                        Probably it’s more correct to say with a climb across Brazil, I remember the type of road there laughing
                      6. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 19: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: FenH
                        with proliferation in Brazil

                        Yes, the norms are expensive there! Vale do Capao - Palameiras:
                      7. FenH
                        FenH 25 March 2016 19: 59
                        -3
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Quote: FenH
                        with proliferation in Brazil

                        Yes, the norms are expensive there! Vale do Capao - Palameiras:

                        And where is the duty bulldozer belay
                      8. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 20: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: FenH
                        And where is the duty bulldozer

                        it wasn’t ... But the boys and the winches were there)

                        Oh yes - and somehow without prayer laughing
                    2. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 25 March 2016 21: 20
                      -2
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      Yes, the norms are expensive there! Vale do Capao - Palameiras:

                      What kind of relatives it blew ... smile
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 17
      -2
      Quote: Pinky F.
      OK. I'm ready.

      Krasava !!! My friend had a "troika" once, rusted until I can not! He took meat from relatives in the village (a pig wink ), so on one koldo.bin the trunk fell off! laughing
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 18: 31
        -2
        Quote: Bayonet
        so on one cold. bin and the trunk fell off!

        sorry friend (
        sorry "three rubles" (
        Although, honestly -
        Quote: Bayonet
        mumps

        most sorry.
        The funniest thing was when the gypsies had a “penny” with “straw” (yeah, with that one) broke down on a country road between the Russian Federation and UA (approximately where Yats planned to build the European Val). Long ago, 20-22 years ago ... It was funny when they settled in a camp near the customs ...
        Speaking of gypsies ...

        Don't be a Jedi for a Padawan
        And not a temple for the square -
        Gypsy ID Card -
        Like a bridle for a horse.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 25 March 2016 21: 23
          -3
          Quote: Pinky F.
          mumps
          most sorry.

          Where will she go? She was innocently killed! wink
  • goblin xnumx
    goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 22: 03
    0
    and where are 2 bottles of champagne?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 March 2016 10: 50
      -1
      Quote: Leshy74
      and where are 2 bottles of champagne?

      That. The asshole who poured cons to us in the heat of the struggle with "socially alien elements"! wassat
  • aleksey980
    aleksey980 28 March 2016 02: 11
    0
    Is there a layout in good resolution? I would put stickers on the case (exactly round) with pleasure smile
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 25 March 2016 13: 18
    +9
    Now almost any database can be bought, or even just downloaded. And with these chips we are just dissected, like frogs at the biological faculty. Walled up, demons, in short.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 46
      -1
      Quote: iliitch
      Walled up, demons, in short.
  • koksalek
    koksalek 25 March 2016 13: 19
    +5
    Well, they lie sweetly, especially about medicine, direct communism and idyll. The sweeter the lie, the bitter it will be. The desire to have everyone under the hood and pull the strings
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 25 March 2016 13: 22
    +6
    in economics a mess and they strengthen control over people. Put it in yourself. your pilot project.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 March 2016 13: 26
    +6
    Any documents and certificates are already an accounting and control system. The author, apparently, is not aware that it is not at all difficult to "slap" 150 million chips, taking into account that a couple of thousand of them will fit on one silicon wafer, and a plant with a productivity less than a million wafers a year - and not a factory at all. By the way, why 150 million? do we have that the entire population is certified from infancy? And why is 50 million a year needed? Half the population will destroy their cards?
  • Uncle
    Uncle 25 March 2016 13: 27
    +2
    In Russia, preparing to enter an electronic passport.
    The Orthodox public goes nuts, let’s live quietly without chipping. As soon as the animals will be implanted.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 25 March 2016 13: 41
      0
      Quote: Uncle
      As soon as the animals will be implanted.

      Already implanting ....
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 25 March 2016 13: 33
    +5
    Suspicious chip

    people will turn into homeless with one click of the mouse.
    Electronic passport + cancellation of the use of cash and you are simply not there.

    Quote: cniza
    Unfortunately, these technologies cannot be stopped.


    technology and it’s unnecessary to stop. It’s just where it concerns personal freedom and security of every law-abiding person that freedom of choice should and should be simply obliged.
    If this freedom does not exist then this is a life prison.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 25 March 2016 16: 25
      -1
      Just where it concerns the personal freedom and security of every law-abiding person, freedom of choice should and should simply be required.


      Oh, they talked about freedom. Be careful with this, otherwise the liberals will write down in an instant smile
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 25 March 2016 21: 47
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Be careful with this, otherwise the liberals will write down in an instant


        the liberals have a peculiar concept of freedom and is expressed in one sentence "Everything that the West offers and generates is freedom, and everything that comes from Russia is dictatorship and lawlessness."

        So do not worry liberals are not liked not for their declared upholding of freedom, but for the fact that they defend only Western "freedom".
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 March 2016 13: 45
    -1
    The first electronic chips began to be implanted into the skin in the USA

    The tiny NGC biocapsules, whose project once collected a decent amount at Indiegogo, were shipped to their customers.
    xNT is a tiny chip made of biocompatible glass and supports NFC. In other words, this capsule can be implanted into the human body without negative consequences and get the ability to control any NFC-equipped device. Without additional devices.

    NFC is a wireless data format. It, for example, is used in subway turnstiles, if you attach a card to them. Each year, more and more devices are released that support this type of communication.
    The news about the NFC chip in itself does not represent much significance: almost any "wearable" gadget is equipped with it. The creators' approach to implanting a microchip is much more interesting. The fact is that together with the capsule a special sterile syringe is delivered, with which you can independently make yourself a “cyborg” without specialized help. And the price of the whole set is $ 99
  • sinoptic
    sinoptic 25 March 2016 13: 46
    0
    These chips had to be done yesterday!
    That's how many comments I have not read here, and the article does not mention the most important thing - the state of the electronic industry.
    Yes, this project is like manna from heaven waiting for our enterprises for the production of microcircuits.

    No one here mentions, and apparently does not know, that the heyday of the electronics industry in China, Japan, Korea, etc. began precisely with national projects like this.
    And only then they got all those chips that we see in phones and tablets, computers and hard drives.
    Such national projects are drivers of growth.
    The main thing is that these chips are produced precisely by our companies, otherwise, as always, we have everything through the ass.
  • Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 25 March 2016 13: 48
    +8
    Before introducing passports with universal encryption in Russia, a referendum must be held, in our country a democratic country, or gang raspberry, with a fascist regime ?! Why did some clown from the ministry decide that he has the right to single-handedly solve such an important issue for the country ?! If ruble hucksters need microchip passports for traveling abroad, then let them personally issue such passports and arrange them, rather than impose them on the entire population of the Russian Federation. If this is introduced, Putin and his cabinet will be minus and I won’t go to the polls for any party. I expected this step from the American sixes, like Kasparov, and if there is no difference, then maybe you need to think about emigrating from the Russian Federation, or to help the current government adopt anti-people’s laws, in my opinion, to emigrate from Russia. And don’t write to me that I don’t decide anything. Put the question to a referendum if there is democracy in the Russian Federation.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 25 March 2016 16: 29
      0
      we have a democratic country in Russia, or a gang raspberry, with a fascist regime


      Uh-uh. ... . well how to tell you. ... .According to the OFFICIAL version, in Surkov's terminology, it is called "controlled democracy".
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 22: 07
      0
      the result of the referendum, I’m telling you so, 98 percent, no matter what the question was, well, except for the sovereignty of the Tatars (I’m from there :))
      1. Simoom
        Simoom 26 March 2016 15: 14
        +2
        And how do you imagine the sovereignty of Tatarstan ?! 1) Tatars in Tatarstan about half. 2) All external borders are the borders with Russia. An attempt to establish an independent national state in Tatarstan will blow up the region in such a way that it doesn’t seem enough. I have a relative in Kazan and I get the impression that the Crimean Turks who came to Tatarstan and other people who came from the republics separated from Russia are muddying the water, including those trained in radical Saudi madrassas, not directly related to the Tatars. Let them command in their historical homeland, in Turkey, Azerbaijan, and so on, but the Russian Federation is not Azerbaijan. They wanted independence, let them live at home, they are so independent and do not climb into someone else’s monastery with their charters.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 25 March 2016 13: 51
    +3
    Thus, all information about Russian citizens may be in the wrong hands - competitors and potential opponents

    It touched me that may be. Yes, she has long been with them. And for a long time, everything has been tracked from across the ocean. Now, I think, even creating their own computers and their software will not help.
    lopvlad
    Electronic passport + cancellation of the use of cash and you are simply not there.

    There is only one way out: get rid of all electronics, a gun and more rounds of ammunition - and into the forests, to Siberia, deeper.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 22: 08
      0
      don’t shoot at the sound, suddenly I’m walking like an elk there :) - the reaction and the technique of movements are not the same :)
  • bk316
    bk316 25 March 2016 13: 53
    +11
    The minus article seems that the author is not in the subject.

    By points to the author:
    1. That is, the main condition for the introduction of electronic passports is a telecommunication structure covering the whole country.

    The passport that now that in the future only identifies the subject, the information on the chip duplicates the information printed on the plastic. Thus, the identification problem is solved without access to the Network, there are only buns such as how much you owe for traffic police fines.


    2. Such production also requires large long-term investments.
    Production has already been launched.



    3. Unscrupulous officials, hackers, other "specialists", having received information about a particular person, can use it to appropriate his property.

    This information is not stored in the passport, it is in the databases, which now have them and can now be cracked, the passport does not add anything.

    4. Finally, the software for this entire system is needed.
    Already written. And paid.

    5. Microsoft operating systems are closed.
    Did the author hear anything about FSTEC certification?

    Etc. etc. In general, you want to know no blah read here

    https://www.zelenograd.ru/news/13294/

    To commenters:
    the chip will be with 140 KB of memory no gigs
    For reference, the latest 400KB bank card chip


    And now, in fact, what I do not like (both points are not finally approved)

    In the passport there will be an electronic signature of the citizen, that is, having a passport, you can perform legally significant actions.

    Under the guise of passports (although this is not connected in any way) they are going to introduce the collection of genetic identifying information, which allows you to track the movement of the object.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 13
      -2
      Quote: bk316
      The minus article seems that the author is not in the subject.

      detailed comment. Yes, it seems that most commentators did not bother to look at least the European experience with id-cards, but horror stories about the extraction of movable and real estate have abound. I was especially pleased about the bloodthirsty hackers who crack the id-card in order to resell the organs of the ISIS holder.
    2. FenH
      FenH 25 March 2016 14: 33
      -2
      Quote: bk316
      The minus article seems that the author is not in the subject.

      By points to the author:
      1. That is, the main condition for the introduction of electronic passports is a telecommunication structure covering the whole country.

      The passport that now that in the future only identifies the subject, the information on the chip duplicates the information printed on the plastic. Thus, the identification problem is solved without access to the Network, there are only buns such as how much you owe for traffic police fines.


      2. Such production also requires large long-term investments.
      Production has already been launched.



      3. Unscrupulous officials, hackers, other "specialists", having received information about a particular person, can use it to appropriate his property.

      This information is not stored in the passport, it is in the databases, which now have them and can now be cracked, the passport does not add anything.

      4. Finally, the software for this entire system is needed.
      Already written. And paid.

      5. Microsoft operating systems are closed.
      Did the author hear anything about FSTEC certification?

      Etc. etc. In general, you want to know no blah read here

      https://www.zelenograd.ru/news/13294/

      To commenters:
      the chip will be with 140 KB of memory no gigs
      For reference, the latest 400KB bank card chip


      And now, in fact, what I do not like (both points are not finally approved)

      In the passport there will be an electronic signature of the citizen, that is, having a passport, you can perform legally significant actions.

      Under the guise of passports (although this is not connected in any way) they are going to introduce the collection of genetic identifying information, which allows you to track the movement of the object.


      Mature and balanced comment, plus. I read and wonder how many paranoids on the site laughing
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 March 2016 11: 00
      -1
      Quote: bk316
      Under the guise of passports (although this is not connected in any way) they are going to introduce the collection of genetic identifying information, which allows you to track the movement of the object.

      How can you track the movement of an object using genetic information ??? wassat Identifying an object’s identity (including its remains) is another matter! hi
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  • heaps
    heaps 25 March 2016 14: 15
    +6
    Good day to all.
    Here I am against all this innovation, as an Orthodox person. But none of you remember or understand that we are all already microchipped. Your personal computers, telephones, smartphones are your personal "chips" - traitors, informers. These devices regularly transfer all your information to the servers (where necessary :)). Your location, file changes, etc. So whether or not the gene code will be added nonsense and distraction from the main problem.
    Deterioration of memory, loss of logical thinking, deterioration of health (from constant sitting and sticking into the monitor), a large number of psychological diseases (one "god" syndrome for administrators of all stripes), etc. etc.
    The number of socially active young people is decreasing, but "heroes of all imaginable and inconceivable battles" for the clave is growing. And it's easier to scream in a chat than to go out and do it.
    And the most important thing is that the concept of "being responsible for your words" has disappeared. This is also the merit of the Internet.
    So, the most important thing is not to take the number of the beast in the soul and, if possible, to resist physically. A very large number of Orthodox in / in Ukraine for more than ten years have refused a passport and in. code and live with help and nitsche.
    So it's up to you. And I already decided for myself and for my family.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 34
      -3
      Quote: heaps
      as an Orthodox person. But none of you remember or understand that we are all already microchipped. Your personal computers, telephones, smartphones are your personal "chips" - traitors, informers.

      well it is clear. What do you offer? Consecrate a laptop or smartphone after purchase?
      1. FenH
        FenH 25 March 2016 14: 38
        -2
        Quote: Pinky F.
        Quote: heaps
        as an Orthodox person. But none of you remember or understand that we are all already microchipped. Your personal computers, telephones, smartphones are your personal "chips" - traitors, informers.

        well it is clear. What do you offer? Consecrate a laptop or smartphone after purchase?


        A cap of aluminum foil on his head, otherwise Big Brother burns the brain out of space laughing Although, according to some comments, it can be assumed that he is not bad at it laughing
        1. heaps
          heaps 25 March 2016 14: 44
          +3
          Wow, you made a cut. Well, straight Petrosyan. What humor, what syllable. And the most important thing is not to think. What for?
          1. FenH
            FenH 25 March 2016 15: 01
            -4
            Quote: heaps
            Wow, you made a cut. Well, straight Petrosyan. What humor, what syllable. And the most important thing is not to think. What for?

            Petrosyan belay no, I don’t know. But on the bill, I would advise you. Tell me a document that special services cannot penetrate in real time right now. But an ambulance doctor who is going to a serious accident takes time to determine the blood type or can give you medicine which the victim is severely allergic to.
            1. heaps
              heaps 25 March 2016 15: 37
              +4
              But the ambulance doctor, when leaving for a severe accident, spends time to determine the blood type or may introduce you a medicine for which the victim has a severe allergy.

              Wow. How often did you go on a terrible accident and could hardly determine your blood type? And list the medications introduced according to the procedure for terrible accidents and, at the same time, contraindications for resuscitation procedures. And where does the chip come from?
              Salvation of a person is the professionalism of a rescuer or a medic, and not a chip that either burned out or was taken away by hell knows where with a severed arm / leg / head.
              1. FenH
                FenH 25 March 2016 15: 46
                -2
                Quote: heaps
                But the ambulance doctor, when leaving for a severe accident, spends time to determine the blood type or may introduce you a medicine for which the victim has a severe allergy.

                Wow. How often did you go on a terrible accident and could hardly determine your blood type? And list the medications introduced according to the procedure for terrible accidents and, at the same time, contraindications for resuscitation procedures. And where does the chip come from?
                Salvation of a person is the professionalism of a rescuer or a medic, and not a chip that either burned out or was taken away by hell knows where with a severed arm / leg / head.


                What arm, leg? A conversation about the passport and biometric data of the injured person, which can be recognized by fingerprints and the cornea of ​​the eye, going to the database
                1. heaps
                  heaps 25 March 2016 15: 51
                  +2
                  Where is the search for patient documents prescribed in the resuscitation procedure? Or how in Europe we will first seek insurance, and then treat? Or tell us how many people manage to save documents during a fire? What about burns? Think about it, your arguments don't work at all.
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 25 March 2016 16: 00
                    -3
                    Quote: heaps
                    Where is the search for patient documents prescribed in the resuscitation procedure? Or how in Europe we will first seek insurance, and then treat? Or tell us how many people manage to save documents during a fire? What about burns? Think about it, your arguments don't work at all.

                    And here are the documents? They put the device on your fingers and you already know the whole patient’s medical history? After the fire, go and calmly restore your documents, since your biometric data is already in the system and it’s unnecessary to collect a bunch of papers

                    1. heaps
                      heaps 25 March 2016 16: 45
                      +2
                      Wow, what are you talking about. What does it have to do with
                      Quote: FenH
                      Put the device on your fingers and you will already know the whole medical history
                      and chipping. Do you identify the chip and the blood analyzer? I really want to ask a question about age. I tell you again read resuscitation procedures. And think finally. Why during the USSR the percentage of survivors after resuscitation procedures is higher than now.
                      1. FenH
                        FenH 25 March 2016 16: 56
                        -3
                        Quote: heaps
                        Wow, what are you talking about. What does it have to do with
                        Quote: FenH
                        Put the device on your fingers and you will already know the whole medical history
                        and chipping. Do you identify the chip and the blood analyzer? I really want to ask a question about age. I tell you again read resuscitation procedures. And think finally. Why during the USSR the percentage of survivors after resuscitation procedures is higher than now.
                        If you do not know, now there are already devices that read the pattern of the fingerprint and cornea of ​​the eye, where does the blood come from?
                        A chip is the key to information about you, and biometric data is the same key that is constantly with you. The point is that each person is entered into the database. It all exists now, with the only difference being that it is fragmented. Your medical card in the clinic, your TIN in tax, your rights in the traffic police, your passport in OVIR, your finances in the bank. Do you want to make a single base, fershtein? About resuscitation in Soviet times for more details please and proofs.
                    2. goblin xnumx
                      goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 22: 17
                      -1
                      and if the injured - a coal? - what is the device then attach? - no prints --nt problems?
                      1. FenH
                        FenH 26 March 2016 00: 02
                        -2
                        Quote: Leshy74
                        and if the injured - a coal? - what is the device then attach? - no prints --nt problems?

                        Charcoal resuscitation is required or recognition by DNA?
                2. goblin xnumx
                  goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 22: 15
                  -1
                  damn deer, a firefighter pulled the victim into the light of day, maybe not the best (light or fireman) - where will he get the reader from? - and the doctor (nurse or staff officer) will come - one! - and there may be more than one 300’s what- to help or tune the device- how do you infuriate theoretical clever men
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 26 March 2016 16: 04
                    -2
                    Quote: Leshy74
                    damn deer, a firefighter pulled the victim into the light of day, maybe not the best (light or fireman) - where will he get the reader from? - and the doctor (nurse or staff officer) will come - one! - and there may be more than one 300’s what- to help or tune the device- how do you infuriate theoretical clever men

                    I recommend you go there for permanent residence:
                    Latitude:

                    -14,4078 (14 ° 24'28.080 "S)

                    Longitude:

                    -71,3000 (71 ° 17'60.000 "W)

                    Altitude:

                    4 286 m

                    GMT time in:

                    -5 hours

                    A country:

                    Peru
                    They don’t chip
              2. goblin xnumx
                goblin xnumx 25 March 2016 22: 12
                0
                he is very far from accidents and first aid, well, just finally a deer :)
        2. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 14: 50
          0
          Quote: FenH
          Cap made of aluminum foil on the head

          no, a wet towel is enough, I think ..
          Chip extraction through the nose, as usual?
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      3. heaps
        heaps 25 March 2016 14: 46
        +2
        You can sanctify. But at least leave a minimum of information on the network. Do not upload photos to social networks, etc. etc.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 15: 07
          -2
          Quote: heaps
          You can sanctify.

          clear. In the 90s, I remember, priests on the Moscow Ring Road offered their services. Now will the M-Video doors hang around? Or sanctify IP on-line?
          1. heaps
            heaps 25 March 2016 15: 42
            +2
            Now who do you want to offend? Myself for illiteracy? In the prayer book there is a prayer for the consecration of any thing. And this is the prerogative of the Orthodox layman. Of course, some things are best sanctified with a moleben, such as a weapon.
            1. FenH
              FenH 25 March 2016 15: 48
              -1
              Quote: heaps
              Now who do you want to offend? Myself for illiteracy? In the prayer book there is a prayer for the consecration of any thing. And this is the prerogative of the Orthodox layman. Of course, some things are best sanctified with a moleben, such as a weapon.


              Religion is opium for the people. And the free choice of man, wants to believe, does not want does not believe.
            2. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 16
              -1
              Quote: heaps
              Now who do you want to offend?

              yeah, chur me!
              Quote: heaps
              In the prayer book there is a prayer for the consecration of any thing.

              in binary form, I hope if it’s about IT?
              Quote: heaps
              And this is the prerogative of the Orthodox layman

              well, at least I’ll save a couple of bitcoins ...
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 29
      -2
      Quote: heaps
      Here I am against all this innovation, as an Orthodox person

      So step into the wilderness, God’s man, and hover there from civilization. This is how the Lykov family at one time. yes
      1. heaps
        heaps 25 March 2016 15: 32
        +3
        Are you against Orthodoxy?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 48
          -1
          Quote: heaps
          Are you against Orthodoxy?

          I am against stupidity, wildness and obscurantismhi !
          1. heaps
            heaps 25 March 2016 15: 53
            +2
            Ohhhh, and where in my words did you find
            Quote: Bayonet
            I am against stupidity, wildness and obscurantismhi!
          2. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 20: 28
            -1
            Quote: Bayonet
            I am against stupidity, wildness and obscurantism

            I didn’t understand - is it necessary to sanctify the VO server in thelandland or not?
      2. heaps
        heaps 25 March 2016 15: 46
        +1
        Or should all Orthodox go to the wilderness?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 53
          0
          Quote: heaps
          Or should all Orthodox go to the wilderness?

          Who is scared to live in modern society, there is only one way out - to hide! yes
          1. heaps
            heaps 25 March 2016 15: 59
            +2
            You cheated here. I’m only afraid of the Lord God. And all. Neither man nor animal. And I despise the abomination of modern society. I despise lies and hypocrisy.
            1. FenH
              FenH 25 March 2016 16: 03
              -2
              Quote: heaps
              You cheated here. I’m only afraid of the Lord God. And all. Neither man nor animal. And I despise the abomination of modern society. I despise lies and hypocrisy.

              but I love to put minus signs, and is that not hypocrisy? laughing
            2. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 55
              0
              Quote: heaps
              And I despise the abomination of modern society.

              e, sorry, but the fact that you are currently using its material wealth is what?
              The speed of the Internet, by the way, can be increased by prayers? Or all the same to the provider?
              1. FenH
                FenH 25 March 2016 17: 01
                -1
                Quote: Pinky F.
                Quote: heaps
                And I despise the abomination of modern society.

                e, sorry, but the fact that you are currently using its material wealth is what?
                The speed of the Internet, by the way, can be increased by prayers? Or all the same to the provider?

                Everything is already there:
                ---------------------- ----------------------
                Our companion, even if you are in heaven,

                Thy speed up your connection;

                Let your signal pass without interference;

                May there be a connection to us, both real and virtual;

                Give us our daily soap to this day;

                And forgive us our coffee on our clave,

                As we forgive the poor connection to our providers;

                Don't let the connection break

                But save us from the virus.

                Amen.

                User's Prayer

                Our Father, and others at the offices.
                May our labor be easy.
                May our superiors go on vacation.
                May our will be fulfilled.
                Aki at work and at home.
                Day off give us this day.
                And leave for this week.
                And vacation for this month.
                And forgive us our absenteeism.
                As we forgive our authorities.
                Do not lead us into a slide.
                But deliver us from overtime.
                For there is your kingdom in raising salaries and shortening the work day.
                And give us Asya, even without her this work is not the kingdom of heaven.
                And bury the system administrator under a host of diskettes and compacts to burn him
                flame of blue.
                Raskin, Lord, heaven in the form of bars and pubs in the office, for
                this is the great goodness of thy servants.
                Do not leave, Lord, in the difficult hours of oblivion of the morning, give strength
                overcome headaches.
                Make, Father, the whole world green, for green is the best color in your world,
                as is the color of American rubles.
                Unleash a hail of dollars, euros and other goods on our heads.
                And take this mite in the form of a prayer of thanks.
                In the name of control, viola and holy deed
                Amen.
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 17: 41
                  0
                  Quote: FenH
                  Amen.

                  killed laughing
                  prayer is a prayer, but it’s better to consecrate the server offline offline.
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 03
                    -1
                    Quote: Pinky F.
                    prayer is a prayer, but it’s better to consecrate the server offline offline.

                    At our work, the priest blessed the transmitters, so that demons would be afraid of those. did not stop!smile
                    1. Pinkie F.
                      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 18: 14
                      -1
                      Quote: Bayonet
                      At our work, the priest blessed the transmitters, so that demons would be afraid of those. did not stop!

                      tinplate ...
                      1. Bayonet
                        Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        tinplate ...

                        Well, yes, but fashionable! That's how we work with God's help! wink
                      2. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 20: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Bayonet
                        That's how we work with God's help!

                        and in seminaries Ohm's law ....
                        However, why am I ...
      3. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 20
        -1
        Quote: heaps
        Or should all Orthodox go to the wilderness?

        not. On Instagram. What is worse than dad?
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  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 25 March 2016 16: 36
    0
    Here I am against all this innovation, as an Orthodox person

    Justify, what does Orthodoxy have to all of what you have said? As an Orthodox person, you should know that, for example, the fear of the INN is superstition, and therefore a violation of the first commandment of the Lord.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 47
      -1
      Quote: Nikolai K
      Justify

      The Lord will justify.
      1. FenH
        FenH 25 March 2016 17: 03
        -1
        Quote: Pinky F.
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Justify

        The Lord will justify.

        ---------------------- ----------------------




        Bible of the future

        1. At the beginning there was a word, and the word was 2 bytes, but there was nothing else.

        2. And God separated the unit from zero, and saw that it was good.

        3. And God said: Let there be data, and it was so.

        4. And God said: let every data be collected in its place, and created floppy disks, and hard drives, and CDs.

        5. And God said: let there be computers so that there is a place to stick floppy disks, and hard drives, and CDs, and created computers, and called them hard, and separated the hard from the software.

        6. There was no software yet, but God quickly corrected himself, and created large and small programs, and said to them: multiply and multiply, and fill all the memory.

        7. But he was tired of creating programs for himself, and God said: we will create a programmer in the image and likeness of ours, and let him rule over computers, and over programs, and over data. And God created the programmer, and placed him in his VC to work in it. And He led the programmer to the directory tree, and ordered: you can run programs from any directory, only do not start from the Windows directory, for give me a mast.

        8. And God said: it’s not good for the programmer to be alone, we’ll create a user for him, according to him. And He took from the programmer a bone in which there was no brain, and created a user, and brought him to the programmer; and the programmer called him a user. And they both sat under a naked dos, and were not ashamed.

        9. Bill was trickier than all the animals of the field. And Bill said to the user: did God truly say: do not run any software? And the user said: we can run any software, and only from the Windows directory we can not, for give it a mast. And Bill said to the user: let's argue about the taste of oysters with those who ate them! The day you launch Windows, you will be like gods, for with one click of the mouse do anything. And the user saw that the Windows are pleasant to the eyes and longed for, because they make knowledge unnecessary, and put them on his computer; and then he told the programmer that it was cool, and he set it too.

        10. A And the programmer went to look for fresh drivers, and God called to the programmer and said to him: where are you? The programmer said: I am looking for fresh drivers, because there are none under the bare DOS. And God said: who told you about the driver? Did you run Windows? The programmer said: the user that you gave me said that from now on he wants programs only for Windows, and I installed them. And God said to the user: what did you do? User said: Bill seduced me.

        11. B And God said to Bill: for what you did, you are cursed before all the cattle and all the animals of the field, and I will put enmity between you and the programmer: he will scold you with bad words, and you will sell him Windows.

        12. C User said: I will multiply your grief and drain your wallet, and you will use crooked programs, and you will not be able to live without a programmer, and he will dominate you.

        13. To the programmer he said: for listening to the user, computers are cursed for you; they will produce glitches and viruses for you; with sorrow you will clean them in the days of your work; in the sweat of your face you will debug your code.

        14. And God sent them out of His VC, and set the password for entry.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 17: 25
          -2
          Quote: FenH
          Bible of the future

          laughing
          ... and Adam bit from an apple. And he threw the apple, for it seemed 128 MB EDRAM to sour ... And the Serpent thought about the upgrade ...
  • Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 25 March 2016 14: 29
    0
    It would be good if this system was controlled by the people, for example, by voting, they removed the salary of some minister in favor of the poor. But no one will allow this, the cannibalistic bureaucracy is thirsty for power. Now, not only the so-called "liberal opposition" will fall, but also quite progressive forces and movements that simply do not agree with the "course." Now it will become easier for the "democrats" to steal; I will change my citizenship if the funds for this system do not have time to plunder before it is put into operation. And on the threshold of the century of the Great Revolution ... There is something to think about.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 25 March 2016 15: 49
      -1
      I am looking for the meaning and connection with the article:

      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      It would be nice if the people controlled this system.

      - personal data base? "Controlled the people"? What is it like??

      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      for example, with a vote, removed a salary to some minister in favor of the poor

      - yeah .. remove the salary through, I repeat, Personal database - this is something new .. in technology .. and indeed
      - amused "in favor of the poor" laughing

      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      But no one will allow this

      - of course .. since personal data must be carefully protected from unauthorized access .. and not "controlled by the people" yes

      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      the cannibalistic bureaucracy is hungry for power. Now, not only the so-called "liberal opposition" will fall, but also quite progressive forces and movements that simply do not agree with the "course." Now it will be easier for the "democrats" to steal, they will be severely punished for an attempt to blather

      - that is understandable .. comrade Yakin Glebov did not read the article. And if I read, I did not understand what she was talking about.

      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      There is something to ponder

      - Comrade Glebov - first of all.

      IMHO.
      1. dogens
        dogens 25 March 2016 16: 08
        0
        These "poor" are just now developing the concept of a passport.

        In general, no one has ever seen such reports in the newspaper, for example, "Unemployed Muscovite stole a BMW X6"? In general, it is necessary to support the poor and the unemployed. They become objects of aggression and crime. Especially economic)
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    3. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 25 March 2016 16: 42
      +3
      It would be good if the people controlled this system, for example, by voting, removed the salary of some minister in favor of the poor

      And let's all distribute the salary by voting. Why, there is a salary, you can distribute apartments, cars, even women by voting. All power to the voter, and whoever we vote against!
      1. FenH
        FenH 25 March 2016 16: 45
        -2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        It would be good if the people controlled this system, for example, by voting, removed the salary of some minister in favor of the poor

        And let's all distribute the salary by voting. Why, there is a salary, you can distribute apartments, cars, even women by voting. All power to the voter, and whoever we vote against!

        The election program is super !!! Move forward, we will vote for you laughing (I fully support your humor good )
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 26 March 2016 19: 16
          0
          I really hope that “Russian bread will not be born in a foreign manner.” It is worth remembering conversations about gas and water meters, about stopping the use of incandescent lamps ...
          Nanotechnology again ..
  • Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 25 March 2016 14: 33
    +2
    At the mystical-conspiracy level, chipization, electronic passports, etc. are a step towards the coming of the Antichrist.
  • satris
    satris 25 March 2016 14: 41
    -2
    I will issue this passport for myself, and then I will put it on a shelf - and I will plant potatoes on my plot. But the military and others - well, they’re all so bad for themselves that they won’t be able to make copies of these passports. And according to one passport, a person sits at his base somewhere in the city of Kommunarsk, Bilibidzhan region, and drinks Vyazemsky kvass, and in kind landed within Fashington and has his own ATGM in the window of the Oval Office. AND? What is the alignment?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 32
      -2
      Quote: satris
      AND? What is the alignment?

      Das ist fantastisch! fellow
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 21
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: satris
        AND? What is the alignment?

        Das ist fantastisch! fellow

        Na, das ist doch idiotisch ...
  • Alex66
    Alex66 25 March 2016 14: 47
    +2
    To defeat corruption, they will be taken by greyhound puppies. Yes, and one good solar storm, or there EMP will leave everyone without documents. In general, with the stubbornness of idio .. we are driven under total control. To fight terrorism, but where does terrorism come from, in my opinion it's all from one source.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 15: 51
      -1
      Quote: Alex66
      Yes, and one good solar storm, or there EMP will leave everyone without documents.

      Who's bank card was canceled after a solar storm, please answer? And who "drowned" or washed the passport?
      1. FenH
        FenH 25 March 2016 15: 53
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Alex66
        Yes, and one good solar storm, or there EMP will leave everyone without documents.

        Who's bank card was canceled after a solar storm, please answer? And who "drowned" or washed the passport?

        I had to wash laughing
        1. dogens
          dogens 25 March 2016 16: 05
          +1
          Quote: FenH
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: Alex66
          Yes, and one good solar storm, or there EMP will leave everyone without documents.

          Who's bank card was canceled after a solar storm, please answer? And who "drowned" or washed the passport?

          I had to wash laughing

          And to me) I need to change, but everything is designed for him. A bunch of powers of attorney at work (Yes, and regular business trips do not allow you to stay without a passport.
          1. FenH
            FenH 25 March 2016 16: 08
            -3
            Quote: dogens
            Quote: FenH
            Quote: Bayonet
            Quote: Alex66
            Yes, and one good solar storm, or there EMP will leave everyone without documents.

            Who's bank card was canceled after a solar storm, please answer? And who "drowned" or washed the passport?

            I had to wash laughing

            And to me) I need to change, but everything is designed for him. A bunch of powers of attorney at work (Yes, and regular business trips do not allow you to stay without a passport.


            And the most was hemorrhoids to remember where he stuck the birth certificate laughing
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 10
              -1
              Quote: FenH
              I had to wash

              Quote: dogens
              And to me) I need to change, but everything is designed for him.

              Well, you see - continuous hemorrhoids! smile A card on a fig!
      2. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 31
        -2
        Quote: Bayonet
        And who "drowned" or washed the passport?

        well, if you wash with the same detergents as Victor the cleaner from Nikita, then ....
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 26 March 2016 10: 20
        -1
        Quote: Bayonet
        And who "drowned" or washed the passport?

        I somehow boiled my own .. in the pocket of my bag (the bag, by the way, was from an avisent ... such a wonderful shoulder bag .. I carried 25 kilos of potatoes in it home) ..

        Boiled honestly, with powder .. result:

        - plastic from the cover peeled off
        - the stamps have "moved" (copied) to the next page
        - all inscriptions remained in place !!

        I did not even change it. He took it out of his pocket (wet), ironed it (through a blotter), glued plastic (red cover) into place.

        As a result, the passport looked somewhat battered, but was quite working. Replaced by 45 years .. already a pity crying
      4. Alex66
        Alex66 28 March 2016 12: 16
        0
        Read about the solar storm of 1859, or do you think this will not happen again? And suddenly it will be stronger.
  • electrooleg
    electrooleg 25 March 2016 14: 50
    +2
    Quote: Ramzes33
    At the mystical-conspiracy level


    The fact is that science contains a lot of mistakes. Although it claims to explain everything in the world logically, it is in fact one of the religious views (atheism) based on blind faith, not only in God, but in the nonsense, which was proved yesterday and today refuted.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 16: 33
      -1
      Quote: elektroleg
      The fact is that science contains a lot of mistakes. Although it claims to be logical to explain everything in the world, in fact it is one of the religious views (atheism), based on blind faith

      Bingo!!! Checkmate, stupid readers of Popular Mechanics and other Nobelists !!!
  • Mestny
    Mestny 25 March 2016 14: 52
    0
    Quote: Bezarius
    Stupid article. Obviously no one will upload data to the card. There will be an identifier for accessing data in the database. Therefore, even with this identifier, an attacker will not be able to access the data, since they are located on servers in an isolated network.

    That's it.
    The only difference between an electronic passport and a paper one is that the role of a human intermediary is reduced, who, having read the information from a paper passport, pokes a finger at the keyboard in order to obtain information in the corresponding database.
    In the electronic execution of a passport, such an official will only need to stick this passport into the terminal without making unnecessary (often erroneous) manipulations.
    All information is really contained in the corresponding databases, the passport is only a "key".
    The only thing is, I personally would also add a finger to attach where necessary, otherwise you will gape, pull off your electronic passport, stick it into the terminal without you, and that’s it.
  • Alexzora
    Alexzora 25 March 2016 15: 01
    0
    Found something to fool around.
    There is already a technical solution to this problem - the system is called PRO100.
    but legally, mentally and so on. yes you have to think. both documents should be equal legally and not any problems.
  • epsilon571
    epsilon571 25 March 2016 15: 15
    0
    I get the impression that all this "Zhu" is not in vain. Along with the fact that strategic objects are already in who knows what hands, the transition to an electronic system for identifying citizens of the Russian Federation is an act to further destroy the country. Such proposals do not come from enemies, but from government officials who, with some maniacal haste, consolidate their influence at the political level, and are widely involved in the privatization of state structures. 

    Add to this the whistle in the pension fund, which Olga Golodets recently spoke about, the increase in prices for medicines, food and fuel,
    and an unpleasant thought will visit you - the sovereignty of the Russian State in the hands of traitors and scoundrels.

    They may accuse me of excessive suspiciousness, or even worse, but I really stopped understanding what was happening. Everything rolls into tar - tarara when it appears in the minds of people, well, at least some certainty!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 25 March 2016 16: 03
      -2
      Quote: epsilon571
      Along with the fact that strategic objects are already in who knows what hands, the transition to an electronic system for identifying citizens of the Russian Federation is an act to further destroy the country

      This, I repeat, is the horse of Spyrology at a gallop ...

      You have already been answered here to your fabrications, with two comments above all .. but, apparently, "the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer."

      Quote: Mestny
      The only difference between an electronic passport and a paper passport is that the role of a human intermediary is reduced, who, having read the information from a paper passport, pokes a finger at the keyboard in order to obtain information in the corresponding database (Database).

      All information is really already contained in the corresponding databases, (paper) passport only "key"


      Quote: epsilon571
      I really stopped understanding what was happening

      Understand one thing - all the information is ALREADY in the databases. Those. with the introduction of an "electronic passport", in fact, very little will change for you personally.

      Somehow request
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 25 March 2016 15: 19
    +3
    That would be all right, especially this type of passport - the product is far from new, there was a long time ago in Moldova, for example, but the proposal for genomic registration honestly warned. The procedure is far from cheap, immediately the question is, who will pay for the banquet?
    Our lawmakers, after all, just do not invent it at the expense of the population, so probably the flight of their exuberant imagination should be limited, since the state will never fork out to decrypt the genome of all residents of the Russian Federation. But I can imagine queues for genomic encryptors, and in the regime of temporary infringement of rights and due to population I can easily. They will offer to pay a tidy sum, or - further options: you are not allowed to travel abroad, you will not receive a loan, you cannot drive vehicles, you will be increased by 10 times utility bills, etc.
    Here, our lawmakers have an unlimited fantasy flight.
    So most likely it is worth thinking about it. By the way, not all of the "partners" overseas have passports, usually there a driver's license is quite proof of identity.
    1. Haloperidol
      Haloperidol 25 March 2016 15: 37
      +1
      I agree with you, already tired of anti-people reforms. It’s time to send these grief reformers to a logging site, under a good guard.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 17: 13
        -2
        Quote: Haloperidol
        already tired of anti-popular reforms. It’s time to send these grief reformers to a logging site, under a good guard.

        ok, but do they give out a plastic id or not? This is to somehow closer to the subject.
        And by the way, do you need to chip convicts? But Father said something there ...
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 42
        -3
        Quote: Haloperidol
        I agree with you, already tired of anti-people reforms. It’s time to send these grief reformers to a logging site, under a good guard.

        Well, what can I say ... request
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 25 March 2016 20: 32
          -3
          Quote: Bayonet
          Well, what can I say ...

          laughing
  • Starik72
    Starik72 25 March 2016 15: 23
    +2
    Yes, in an ideal world society, this passport is perfect! In our not ideal world society, there is NO why, many here answered in their comments.
  • marshes
    marshes 25 March 2016 16: 02
    +5
    In Kazakhstan, for more than 20 years they have been using an identity card, the same ID card, which I have not seen "global problems". Conveniently, it fits into the wallet along with a driver's license and credit cards. laughing
  • dogens
    dogens 25 March 2016 16: 02
    0
    Quote: Region 34
    RUSS! 13.02/1. Here, apparently, the whole question is what information and how much will be uploaded to the chip. There may be limitations on the amount of memory. 32 Gig or XNUMX Gig. If only the data of the passport and insurance, then the volume is scanty. Not knowing the customer’s needs, it’s too early to talk about it.

    Add a cryptographic key as a minimum. It is logical that he must be there. Sooner or later.
  • dison
    dison 25 March 2016 16: 07
    0
    Quote: marshes
    In Kazakhstan, for more than 20 years they have been using an identity card, the same ID card, which I have not seen "global problems". Conveniently, it fits into the wallet along with a driver's license and credit cards.

    Hah, what's the point? The certificate is there and nowhere to insert)) But it is compact and does not crease)
    1. marshes
      marshes 25 March 2016 16: 21
      +1
      Quote: dison
      The certificate is there is nowhere to insert)

      Where do you want to insert it? laughing
      We had an electronic voting system in Sailau, we played around and went over to the paper again. Like so honest.
      Money can be withdrawn from the bank, postal order, and can be made at ud / l.
  • loaln
    loaln 25 March 2016 16: 25
    0
    If electronic identification is to be introduced, then only after the introduction of universal security for all citizens of electronic signature. Without it, in an electronic passport it would be possible to find out only the full name, series, number and date of issue of the passport. Everything else - only after using the secret key personally by each owner or by specialists (with the permission of the prosecutor).
    Otherwise, all this action will turn into a profanation and "suction" of the next piece of the state budget.
    As with Skolkovo. Someone very profitably "drove" their lands and clearly knocked out a contract for "large-scale" construction. And what Skolkovo is for, he has already forgotten. After all, there is a bunch of compact territories where everything that is needed is already concentrated. So you don't have to worry about the results. They will. Though in a different place.
    As is the case with Rusnano.
    Cheap and cheerful. No, though. In this case, "noodles" came out a little expensive.
  • marshes
    marshes 25 March 2016 16: 37
    +1
    The same UD./L, the chip is also there. The past year, I got rid of old cars, customers in the public service center, a convenient thing for 20-40 minutes, came across unpaid fines. The city was poked with cameras. One shot already 6 not I got paid, on a zero, I threw off another 400 money, then I quickly paid and there was left gasoline.
  • akula
    akula 25 March 2016 17: 06
    -2
    Quote: dauria
    that there will be total satellite tracking of each person around the clock
    smile

    But now it is not so. In the first "Alcatel" there was also access to the engineering menu. And it gave distance to
    The nearest hundred, usually three, to the nearest meter. By the method of differences, the position of your cell (as long as it has a battery) is determined in the same way. You sleep, you go in transport - the system knows about you, remembers wink and transfers you from cell to cell (in the city it is from half a kilometer to a couple of kilometers) - otherwise she will not be able to work.

    Well, and to track which rooms were near the place and where they spent the night, say the previous week ... laughing Well, if only to be prudent and leave the phone to a friend before going to a "friend".

    Not so. You have the right to choose. You can use a mobile phone, you can not. It will not exist with a chip, at all, except for one — buy you paste colgate lil bend-a-honey, you will even spawn under control, there is no certain amount in the account and there are no children. You don’t have cash, imagine what it is. You wanted to take a tax for exhaling CO2 and automatically deducting it from your account. THIS IS SLAVERY. Believe me, the Rockefellers will not sew in chips and electronic passports .Yes and why countries and borders? Everything is on a chip and in English. A new world order.
  • Damask
    Damask 25 March 2016 17: 19
    0
    One has only to destroy the central server and there will be chaos in the country
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 March 2016 18: 37
      -1
      Quote: Damask
      One has only to destroy the central server and there will be chaos in the country

      Important information is duplicated. hi
    2. puffnutiy
      puffnutiy April 26 2016 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Damask
      One has only to destroy the central server and there will be chaos in the country


      so you need to make the structure to do like the Internet, where there is no central server, as such.
  • marshes
    marshes 25 March 2016 17: 33
    +1
    Okay, I’ll add that your authorities have long had experience working with ID cards of citizens of Kazakhstan, by the way, we can visit the Russian Federation and buy cars, I don’t know about apartments, this was probably felt last year by residents of the regions of the Russian Federation bordering Kazakhstan.
  • hartlend
    hartlend 25 March 2016 17: 37
    +7
    The impression was that the author wrote an article in order to at least write something. I agree that the uncontested introduction of electronic passports is bad. But about infrastructure and chips - nonsense. Today, bank cards are stamped in huge quantities, plus social cards, plus health insurance policies. Everything is working. And yet, "paper" passports also have a chip, and at airports, passports are perfectly scanned on every flight. Chips and the Internet are enough for everyone, no one cries.
    1. FenH
      FenH 25 March 2016 17: 50
      -1
      Quote: hartlend
      The impression was that the author wrote an article in order to at least write something. I agree that the uncontested introduction of electronic passports is bad. But about infrastructure and chips - nonsense. Today, bank cards are stamped in huge quantities, plus social cards, plus health insurance policies. Everything is working. And yet, "paper" passports also have a chip, and at airports, passports are perfectly scanned on every flight. Chips and the Internet are enough for everyone, no one cries.

      seven minuses on my comment on the same, say the opposite laughing
  • barsik92090
    barsik92090 25 March 2016 18: 13
    -2
    Quote: Magic Archer
    The world is getting smaller ... The big brother’s eye will soon get into bed. The Japanese have already tested the chip, which connects to the glasses and has a constant Internet connection. In the future there will be a slot right in the head. A paradise for hackers ....

    An individual management function must be incorporated in the CHIP so that the executed team brings him joy, up to heavenly bliss comparable to hard drugs, but without getting used to it and subsequent sufferings, waiting for the next long-awaited team.
    1. LeftPers
      LeftPers 28 March 2016 07: 49
      +2
      Yeah, an orgasm or something?)))
  • ingenera
    ingenera 25 March 2016 18: 56
    0
    And what, is everything good in our country? Hungry, all children cured, pensioners provided, cool roads built? Only electronic passports are missing! In my opinion there are still a lot of places where you can spend this money. And I do not retrograde and do not deny progress. It's just that it's good to do everything on time. And now there are more pressing problems. I think so. And the control over the population is already quite tight. If you combine all the databases (banks, insurers, tax officials, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and so on), you can create a dossier for almost any person.
  • kare
    kare 25 March 2016 19: 00
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 RU Today, 14: 09 ↑ New

    Conclusion: the disadvantages incurred by the introduction of electronic passports significantly exceed the expected winnings. Moreover, in contrast to the benefits of everyday importance, threats turn out to be strategic, calling into question the sovereignty of the state.


    What a whining?
    What's new in the whole process?

    All information has long been on the servers.

    No one forces you to shoot "fingers", and even more so "genomic" information


    New will follow. Those who are here simply for pluses and cheap comments can not open. One must have patience to watch everything to the end. Only then, a complete picture of the nightmare that we are preparing next
  • atamankko
    atamankko 25 March 2016 19: 16
    0
    I remembered: ... a good spoon for dinner ...
  • gammipapa
    gammipapa 25 March 2016 20: 03
    0
    Well, actually it’s very convenient for the ruling elite, by the way, I don’t think that they will also exchange paper documents for chips (they understand how to manage this) Well, the rest of the herd, of course, there are no options here, it’s better to immediately sew in the hospital or kraynyak electronic passport. Moreover, people hawala, rejoices.
  • cedar
    cedar 25 March 2016 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: Bezarius
    Stupid article. Obviously no one will upload data to the card. There will be an identifier for accessing data in the database. Therefore, even with this identifier, an attacker will not be able to access the data, since they are located on servers in an isolated network. The servers will obviously not be Windows, but which linux thread. About the issue of cards, too, it is somehow doubtful. Stamped a huge number of bank chips and chips for phones, and nothing.


    Yes, yes, the article is terribly stupid ... Well you are smart, you understood everything and put it on the shelves for us, we will sleep peacefully, which is what we wish for you. Before going to bed, please see the fiction movie 2011, "Time" is called. In the film, they did not stop at the maps and went on, well, you will see everything yourself. Enjoy your viewing and all comfort lovers. Time is money!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 25 March 2016 20: 30
      -1
      Quote: cedar
      Before going to bed, please see the fiction movie 2011, "Time" is called. In the film, they did not stop at the maps and went on, well, you will see everything yourself. Enjoy your viewing and all comfort lovers. Time is money!

      Quote: Time, summary
      Welcome to a world where time has become the only and hardest currency, where people are genetically programmed to stop aging at 25. True, the following years cost money. And now the rich become almost immortal, and the poor, as always, are doomed to fight for life ...

      - And this nonsense is invited to watch?
      - What does all this have to do with the introduction of an "electronic passport" in the Russian Federation?