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Situation in Afghanistan strengthens military cooperation between Kazakhstan and Russia


After the collapse of the USSR, Kazakhstan received a grouping of the Armed Forces, consisting of small and mostly cadre units of the former Soviet army. The possibilities of the republican military industrial complex were also very limited.

But in Kazakhstan there was a huge amount of equipment withdrawn from Eastern Europe: about five thousand tanks, about four thousand armored combat vehicles, more than two thousand artillery systems and 500 combat aircraft.

Inventory arsenals

For the post-Soviet period, the country has built sufficiently capable air forces, and the capabilities of the military-industrial complex have increased significantly. Kazakhstan has maintained special relations in the military sphere with Russia, as well as with Belarus, while developing relations with the Western world quite successfully. Advanced models of military equipment are being exploited and acquired (MiG-31 interceptor, Su-30CM fighter-bomber, Ramka BMPT, Solntsepek TOC-1А MLRS). The level of combat training of personnel is very high. At the moment, the armed forces of Kazakhstan are among the top five in the post-Soviet space.

Ground forces are divided into four regional commands (RK): "Astana", "West", "East", "South". The first two are reserve-training and rear services, the other two are focused on countering threats from China, the countries of Central Asia and Afghanistan.

RK "Astana" (headquarters in Karaganda) includes 7-th mechanized (place of deployment - Karaganda), 401-th artillery, 402-th MLRS, 403-11 PTO (all three - Priozersk) brigades.

RK "West" (Atyrau): 100-I artillery (Aktobe) and 390-I Marine Brigade (Aktau, in fact - the coastal defense brigade due to the lack of landing ships of the Navy).

RK "Vostok" (Semipalatinsk): 3-I (Usharal) and 4-I (Ust-Kamenogorsk) mechanized, 11-I tank (Ayaguz), 101-I missile-artillery (Semey), 34-I (Usharal) and 103-I (Semey) artillery, 102-I MLRS (Semey) brigade.

RK "South" (Taraz): 6-I (Shymkent), 9-I (Zharkent) and 12-I (Guards) mechanized, 43-I tank (Sary-Ozek), 5-I Mountain-rifle (Taraz), 44- I (Sary-Ozek) and 54-I (Guards) artillery, 23-I (Guards) and 232-I (Kapchagai) engineering engineers, 221-I communications (Taraz) brigade.

In addition to the Republic of Kazakhstan, there are airborne troops as part of the Army. They include the 35 (Kapchagai), 36 (Astana) and 37 (Taldy-Kurgan) air assault, 38 motorized rifle (Alma-Ata) brigade, the peacekeeping "Kazbrig", intended to participate in UN operations .

Armed with 45 PU TR "Point". The tank fleet includes up to 1300 T-72, some of which have been modernized in Kazakhstan itself, a minimum of 280 T-62 and 50 T-64, around 100 T-80. The warehouses are located before 3000 tanks of the same types, most of them, however, are not capable and can only serve as a source of spare parts.

There are 10 Russian BMPT "Frame" (better known as "Terminator"), which are not in service in any country in the world, even in our country. There are 260 BRDM-2, to 140 BRM-1, to 730 BMP-1, to 800 BMP-2. In addition to the latter, all cars are seriously outdated. The most numerous class of armored vehicles are traditionally the BTR: Turkish Cobra 40, the very old Soviet BTR-150 XR and the same BTR-50PB, no less than the 60 BTR-45, 70 BTR-141, 80 BTR-XNHNXX, 93 BTR-80, 74 BTR-XNUMNXX, 82 BTR-30, 686 BTR-XNUMNXX, 2 BTR-3, 80 BTR-82400, 26 BTR-2, 9 BTR-120X, NNXX, 2 BTR-1, 6 BTR-30X, NNXX, 120 BTR-2, 3 BTR-183, 30 BTR-350, 46. (Of these, 180 in the Marine Corps), up to 2 MTLB, 36 Ukrainian BTR-90U (Kazakhstan refused to further purchase these machines). The BTR-2A and BTR-65A fleet is replenished with supplies from Russia. There are more than 74 ACS: 20 18C2, up to 11 145C2, 11 “Semser” locally produced using Israeli technology (K-19AZ howitzer), up to 19 2C4. Towed implements: 300 D-150, up to 21 M-50, 180 3A1, 15 18А68, 125 D-12. Mortars: 10 self-propelled "Aybat" (20BXNUMX on MTLB chassis, again Israeli technology), XNUMX Soviet XNUMXBXNUMX, XNUMX self-propelled XNUMXCXNUMX. Reactive artillery possesses significant potential — over XNUMX MLRS: up to XNUMX Soviet BM-XNUMX (still XNUMX in storage) and XNUMX “Hurricane”, XNUMX of the newest TOC-XNUMXA, XNUMX “Smerch”, XNUMX own multi-caliber RSZ “Nyaza”, Nayza XRUMX, XNUMX “Smerch”, XNUMX own multi-caliber RSO “Nyaza”, XaNumX, XNUMX “Smerch”, XNUMX own multi-caliber RSZ “Nizaz” Israeli technology. There are ATGM "Fagot", "Competition" and "Sturm-S", from XNUMX to XNUMX PTO MT-XNUMX, SAM "Strela-XNUMX", not less than XNUMX MANPADS "Igla".

The Air Force and Air Defense (the official name is Air Defense Forces) have nine main airbases: 600th (Zhetigen-Nikolaevka), 602nd (Shymkent), 603rd (Alma-Ata), 604th (Taldy- Kurgan), 607th (Ucharal), 609th (Balkhash), 610th (Karaganda), 612th (Aktau), 620th (Astana). The "branches" of the Air Force are de facto aviation border troops and the Ministry of Emergencies.

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The Air Force, in addition to MiGs, Su and transport sides, has an An-30 optical reconnaissance aircraft (at the Ministry of Emergency Situations) and up to 18 Czechoslovak training L-39. All Soviet cars are seriously outdated. Of the helicopters, only EC145 and Mi-17 are modern.

Ground defense includes 9 divisions (at least 100 PU) ZRS C-300P and minimum 18 divisions (from 72 PU) ZRK C-125, to 10 divisions (60 PU) ZRS C-200, 5 divisions (XNXX) ".

The naval forces and the border guard fleet are located in common bases and are equipped with the same technology, therefore, they are considered as a whole. They include only patrol boats: 5 – 6 of the Oral type (0200М Burkit-M Ave., based on the Soviet 1400М Ave.), 3 Kazakhstan (0250 Bars-MO Ave.), 4 Sardar ”(Pr. 22180“ Bars ”), 2“ Shapshan ”(South Korean“ Sea Dolphin ”). In addition to the latter, all built in Kazakhstan.

Brother ground

The capabilities of the defense industry were initially quite limited, and, paradoxically, the republic, which had access only to the Caspian Sea, specialized in naval technology. But over the period of independence, the country has created a fairly balanced industry, which now produces Russian cars and combat boats, Turkish BTR, Belarusian ASU, European helicopters, South Korean boats, etc., under license. Overhaul and modernization of armored vehicles and ships, as well as production, have been established weapons and ammunition. Joint ventures for the production of communication facilities were opened, in the near future, UAVs, optoelectronic and radar systems, new models of airplanes and helicopters will be created. It is planned to start production of artillery systems for various purposes, an armored repair and recovery vehicle based on the T-72, an autonomous anti-aircraft module Igla-S on the BRDM chassis, universal self-defense launch modules based on Igla-S and Sturm-Ataka missiles, electronic intelligence, etc.



At the Sary-Shagan test site, a Russian Dnepr-type radar was deployed. There are no other foreign troops and military facilities in the country. But the RF Armed Forces regularly use local test sites left over from the USSR.

Kazakhstan is a member of all pro-Russian organizations in the post-Soviet space, including the CSTO and the most important unifying project of Moscow - the EAEU. But this union, as it is constantly emphasized in Astana, is purely economic, it does not imply any political integration. Relations with Moscow are close, but not idyllic. Most of all, they are just in the military field. In particular, the CSTO CSTO for a long time were de facto Russian-Kazakh, now Belarusian forces have been added to them, thus repeating the configuration of the EAEU.

By many socio-economic indicators, Kazakhstan has become the most successful of all post-Soviet states with full political stability. From the countries of Central Asia, only here Russians and other non-indigenous nationalities were not subjected to direct persecution during the collapse of the USSR and did not flee en masse to Russia, throwing property. Therefore, the proportion of Russians in the population is quite high. However, right now Kazakhstan is leading in the number of people leaving for Russia. The effect of a “glass ceiling” takes place: all the highest posts in state structures and the economy are occupied by representatives of the indigenous nation. For many economically active non-title natives, this situation is unacceptable.

Nobody is closer to us


The problem for Astana was our conflict with Ankara. Kazakhstan’s relations with Turkey were almost as close as with Russia. This extended to military construction. It was with Turkish help that Kazakhstan created its own version of the Shagys T-72 tank. At the KADEX 2012 exhibition, it struck that of the four huge hangar-pavilions provided to foreign participants, two were mixed, and of the two mono-national ones, one was Russian, the second was Turkish. At the entrance to the last one, the commercial of air defense weapons from the company Aselsan was spinning endlessly. On it, the Turkish air defense systems famously shot down Russian Su-30 and Ka-52. It was the spring of 2012, when bilateral relations seemed just fine.

However, unlike the countries of the Transcaucasus, Kazakhstan is not threatened with being drawn into a theoretically possible Russian-Turkish war. Astana can just wait for the situation to somehow resolve. The inevitable aggravation of the situation in Afghanistan, which will almost certainly be projected onto Central Asia, will naturally strengthen the military cooperation between Moscow and Astana. Thus, despite the problems and friction, Kazakhstan will remain Russia's closest ally, at least in the foreseeable future.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 March 2016 04: 05
    +6
    The army of Kazakhstan is impressive. Remember how the Kazakhs performed in the tank biathlon!
    Thus, despite problems and friction, Kazakhstan will remain Russia's closest ally, at least in the foreseeable future.

    Let's hope. And N.A. Nazarbayev passed with his party for the election. You need to be friends on an ongoing basis!
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 26 March 2016 04: 45
      +8
      unlike the countries of Transcaucasia, Kazakhstan is not threatened with being drawn into the theoretically still possible Russian-Turkish war. Astana can just wait until the situation somehow resolves.
      A very interesting understanding of alliance. In my opinion, an ally should support an ally in everything, well, or almost in everything, and even during the conduct of hostilities, certainly do not wait until the neighbor has something "resolved." That's why he is an ally, not a partner. Why do we need all these joint exercises, if they take a wait and see attitude during a conflict? At best, provide airspace? Tsar Alexander the 3rd Peacemaker is ten times right, that Russia has only 2 allies - the army and the navy.
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 26 March 2016 08: 01
        -7
        In terms of economy and population, Kazakhstan is almost 10 times smaller than Russia. And there is no reason to repeat Russia's mistakes in foreign policy, because with economic isolation and sanctions, its end will come quickly. Therefore, it is necessary to apply the tactics of waiting. Otherwise, then the territory of Kazakhstan will be occupied by China or the United States.
        1. krops777
          krops777 26 March 2016 08: 11
          +14
          And there is no reason to repeat Russia's mistakes in foreign policy

          What was wrong Russia did not lick the ass of the United States and went its own way?
      2. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 28 March 2016 13: 52
        +2
        Kazakhstan simply has nowhere to go ... cooperation is beneficial to it no more.
        1. Vitwin
          Vitwin 28 March 2016 13: 59
          +2
          Quote: Alexey-74
          Kazakhstan simply has nowhere to go ... cooperation is beneficial to it no more.

          Actually, I think it's just a wise state. state policy sandwiched between two giants Russia and China. A prudent policy makes it possible to extract a lot of dividends from this provision, and a great sin, if not a crime, is not to use it.
    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 26 March 2016 07: 18
      +20
      Remember how the Kazakhs performed in the tank biathlon!

      Well, the tank school, both in Russia and here, is Soviet! Therefore, for me personally, the results of tank biathlon are not surprising. Regarding the equipment in service in the army of Kazakhstan - I personally have never seen in the ranks either the BTR-50, or the BTR-60, or even the BMP-1 (if only in the form of monuments), possibly stored in warehouses (although I happened to visit in many military units, both ground forces, and PV and explosives - it happened). When I served in the urgent service, we had T-72, BMP-2 and BTR-70/80 in the Ucharal border detachment. The motorized rifle division of the ground forces, which was located there, had exactly the same equipment, except that they still had BM-21 Grads and ACS 2S1 and 2S3 in the artillery regiment, which we did not have border guards.
      I must say that the armament of the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan is a hodgepodge - there is the latest equipment such as the Su-30SM, not so long ago delivered from Russia, there is also frank junk - until recently we had S-75 air defense systems near Karaganda, which are now actively replacing with newer S-300s, supplied by Russia from the number of its own army being withdrawn from service.
      As far as I know, the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan is trying to maintain a high level of combat training - this is largely due to the presence of neighbors who, although they do not behave aggressively, but who have a fairly large and well-armed army, are primarily China and Uzbekistan. with which there are a number of problems that have not been completely resolved, mainly due to border conflicts (it came to the point that one village on the border of Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan was divided in half, cutting along a living one, okay, at least they did not build a system and a PCB in the middle of the village).
      And with the fact that Kazakhstan and Russia need to be friends on an ongoing basis, I completely and completely agree.
      I have the honor.
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 26 March 2016 16: 18
        +9
        I support your comment Alexander72!

        And as regards the fulfillment by Kazakhstan of allied obligations, it fulfills them even to a greater extent than the other CSTO allies.

        KZ was the first and most invested in collective forces
        Russia has on our territory more than half a dozen military facilities - essentially bases.
        All almost firing of the Strategic Missile Forces takes place along the KZ - along SaryShagan
        The armed forces of Kazakhstan essentially cover the south and central Asia - saving for the Russian Federation. Otherwise, the Russian Federation would be forced to keep here a grouping in the size of our army, air defense and air force (in the absence of a short-circuit or absence of any short-circuit forces in the short-circuit - as for example, many post-Soviet republics simply do not have them)

        The CSTO Treaty implies entering the war in the event of aggression against any member. T e KZ will be in the war on the side of Russia automatically subject to the invasion of the Russian Federation (for example, from the western direction) At one time, I wanted to recall, the Panfilov division from near Almaty just played an important role in the defense of Moscow

        You shouldn't blame KZ in advance for not doing something - I'm sure. that our republic, if something happens, will fulfill its duty - both because of the agreement - and because our people live in the north. as in KZ - and because with Russia we have "one history, one future and one destiny" - I quote a poster that hung for a long time on Abay corner of Gagarin in Almaty

        The leadership of our republic has really developed close relations with Turkey, and KZ does not make sense to break them. Moreover, it is possible for Russia to have a "fire communication channel" with the Turks. And note - there are just good relations with the Turks - we have not entered into any union of the Eurasian type - and in a military bloc we are not with Turkey, but with Russia. and our air defense is not united with them, but with the Russian Federation, etc.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 26 March 2016 11: 32
      -7
      Friendship is friendship, and Kazakhstan quietly gives the fellow land to the Chinese. laughing In this they are not far behind ours.
      1. Concept1
        Concept1 26 March 2016 17: 57
        0
        There is such an interesting video. The Ambassador of China reports to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan. What do you think dear forum users ..?
        1. marshes
          marshes 26 March 2016 18: 05
          +1
          And what they wanted to say, as on this site he said that ours sharply restricted entry from the PRC, then they also restricted it for ours. There should be parity in every business.
          It was the same with the long-range, everything being decided.
          Now think about why it was forbidden to use smartphones at a government institution.
  2. krops777
    krops777 26 March 2016 05: 30
    +3
    In my opinion, an ally should support an ally in everything, well, or almost everything, and even during the conduct of hostilities, certainly do not wait until the neighbor has something "resolved." That's why he is an ally, not a partner. Then we need all these joint exercises, if they take a wait-and-see attitude during a conflict.


    To the point.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 March 2016 08: 00
      -2
      Quote: krops777
      In my opinion, an ally should support an ally in everything, well, or almost everything, and even during the conduct of hostilities, certainly do not wait until the neighbor has something "resolved." That's why he is an ally, not a partner. Then we need all these joint exercises, if they take a wait-and-see attitude during a conflict.


      To the point.

      with whom are you fighting? with Moldavian wine? with Georgian min.water? with turkish tomatoes? with Ukrainian fat? with european cheese? with these enemies your two allies (army and navy) are enough for your eyes.
      1. cyber
        cyber 26 March 2016 14: 37
        +1
        Reasonably! So far, the fruit and vegetable war is underway. Well, if we can count on the army of Kazakhstan or not? Who knows?
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 26 March 2016 20: 08
          +4
          Everything, presumably, is reflected in the documents of the CSTO and the strategic partnership of the RF-RK.
          At the beginning of the year, there was a "surprise check" of the combat readiness of all units with access to training ranges and the transfer of troops. A few weeks ago, exercises were held in two districts Astana-Vostok. 5 people personnel, 000 1 units. equipment and weapons, 300 aircraft. It was reported about the transfer of personnel by air ... So the exercises are going according to plan.
          And I wouldn’t really trust the article by the number of equipment. For example, I never heard of the T-80. It seems to me that there will be a lot of 1 combat-ready tanks. S-300 are not mentioned, also about the South African armored personnel carriers. Arrangements with UVZ.
          Even in Soviet times there were many tank drivers from the Republic of Kazakhstan, because many vocational schools were on the line of tractor drivers and combine harvesters because of Tselina. And judging by the tank. biathlon school remained.
          I would pay attention to the means of electronic warfare and electronic warfare for our army. Judging by the reports from Syria, they play an important role. And the Air Defense and Air Force showed all their significance. The Turks were blown away by the wind, others only "by agreement". A small air wing the size of a mixed regiment in 5 months. showed the values ​​of air strikes. Therefore, he always wrote that the MiG-29 (35) is very necessary for "small" countries. It can work both by air and by land. We would have to shaman our Su-24s, modernize and put them into operation, he showed himself worthily. Attack helicopters, too, will not be enough for the Republic of Kazakhstan. If you want to have a lot of tanks, then without air cover, they will not cost much. Mi-24 (35) is still relevant. Let's see if the new Mi-28 and Ka-52 will be allowed into battle. hi
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 March 2016 20: 15
            +4
            Quote: Kasym
            For example, I never heard of the T-80

            Let it be like last time smile And since from WIKI but old information.
            Quote: Kasym
            We would podshamanit their Su-24, modernize and put into operation

            I feel that they are not there.
            Quote: Kasym
            Mi-24 (35) is still relevant

            35 so it would not be bad to buy. A piece so 24.
            Quote: Kasym
            Let’s see if the Mi-28 and Ka-52 novies will be launched into battle.

            Damn very expensive, 28 would not hurt the same.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 26 March 2016 22: 13
              +5
              The Su-24 has a good fuselage resource, as bomber jacket. Therefore, I think you can restore if they are still there. Attack helicopters would have a couple of regiments. And for our mountains, I would prefer with the Mi-35 still a small number of Ka-52, rather than Mi-28. hi
              1. marshes
                marshes 26 March 2016 22: 21
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                And for our mountains, I would prefer with the Mi-35 still a small number of Ka-52, rather than Mi-28.

                Ka -50 .... And mi 28 only after the appearance above the sleeve radar.
                In our mountains, better than the SU-25. Or Super Tukano. To the extreme Yak-130.
                1. avt
                  avt 26 March 2016 22: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: marshes
                  Ka -50 .... And mi 28 only after the appearance above the sleeve radar.

                  Fifty dollars no in the series and deploy them back will be expensive
                  Quote: marshes
                  .Or Super Tukano. To the extreme Yak-130.

                  wassat An expensive way to destroy pilots to work in the mountains, it’s better to shoot them right at the airport. Stop freaking out, if there is no money for the Ka-52, then the easiest and relatively inexpensive way is to take the old Mi-24 hulls, they are practically unkillable and bring them with the Mi-24VM type upgrade to the Mi-35 level. It's like new Do not order T-90, but upgrade T-72.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  The Su-24 has a good fuselage resource, as bomber jacket.

                  hi And somehow I wrote to you about this about them, but here's the question
                  Quote: Kasym
                  R. Therefore, I think you can restore if they are still there.

                  if the nodes of the sweep change have not decayed, otherwise modernization can come up. However, I also wrote about this, it's faster than ordering and waiting for the Su-34, which we have made ONE plant and somehow it’s not enough. request So the Su - 24 will still pull the strap in the Air Force / VKS.
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  3. Signaller
    Signaller 26 March 2016 07: 01
    +1
    License to kill, we heard. But on stability ????? Response on request-zero
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 March 2016 08: 16
      0
      Quote: Signaller
      License to kill, we heard. But on stability ????? Response on request-zero

      no matter how this stability turns smoothly into decay, we have one president sitting in power for 25 years and with him the same prime minister for the fourth time he takes this chair.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 26 March 2016 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        we have one president who has been in power for 25 years, and with him the same prime minister for the fourth time takes this chair.

        Would you be interested if the political system changed every 5 years? In Russia, two presidents and several prime ministers have changed, zero sense
        By the way, in Kazakhstan, more than one prime minister was:
        Chairmen of the Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan (since 1991):

        Tereshchenko, Sergey Alexandrovich - October 16, 1991 - October 12, 1994
        Kazhegeldin, Akezhan Magzhanovich - October 12, 1994 - October 10, 1997
        Balgimbaev, Nurlan Utepovich - October 10, 1997 - October 1, 1999
        Tokaev, Kasym-Zhomart Kemelevich - October 1, 1999 - January 28, 2002
        Tasmagambetov, Imangali Nurgalievich - January 28, 2002 - June 13, 2003
        Akhmetov, Danial Kenzhetaevich - June 13, 2003 - January 10, 2007
        Masimov, Karim Kazhimkanovich - from January 10, 2007 - September 24, 2012
        Akhmetov, Serik Nygmetovich - from September 24, 2012
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 26 March 2016 11: 56
          +2
          I would be happy with a change not of a political system but a change of political figures on Olympus. After all, even in red China they came to change the Olympus every ten years, because, as the proverb says, power makes a person worse and not replaceable power makes it infinite. By the way, he wrote not about one prime minister, but about the appointment of the same person as prime minister for the fourth time, which is not the same thing.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 26 March 2016 13: 35
            +3
            Quote: Semurg
            I would be happy with a change not of a political system but a change of political figures on Olympus.

            Is it like in Ukraine? I have bad news for you. It is not only a matter of turnover. smile
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 26 March 2016 13: 28
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        no matter how this stability turns smoothly into decay, we have one president sitting in power for 25 years and with him the same prime minister for the fourth time he takes this chair.

        Do you need instability? smile
        1. avt
          avt 26 March 2016 13: 51
          +3
          Quote: IS-80
          Do you need instability?

          We are bored of "Change, we want change", again, just listen to Tsoi No. it’s not interesting - give me the traffic on the street. Or maybe they just don’t know where to put the old tires, but a bad example is contagious? wassat
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 March 2016 14: 44
            +3
            Quote: avt
            Or maybe they just don’t know where to put the old tires

            Old tires for truckers are in demand laughing In the winter you can’t find firewood in the steppe smile
            1. avt
              avt 26 March 2016 14: 58
              +3
              Quote: marshes
              Old tires for truckers are in demand

              Well console! Relieved. laughing
              1. marshes
                marshes 26 March 2016 15: 03
                +2
                Quote: avt
                Well comforted!

                Even the baths are heated, with the same wood strained smile Even used rubber where the tread is generally bought is bought. laughing
                1. avt
                  avt 26 March 2016 15: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: marshes
                  Even the baths are heated, with the same wood strained

                  wassat Rubber in the bath!? request Well, yes, we have more headline news - Mironenko was the head of the state archive of the Russian Federation, who jumped out of his pants, proving that there were no Panfilov men near Dubosekovo, it is good that at least he did not prove that Dubosekov was not near Moscow, they poured from the directors of the archive, following Pivovarov - , the historian 'who burned down the subordinate library, he will now be engaged in "scientific work". Of course, they have not completely uprooted it, but at least that way. And then I remember how he glowed with happiness on TV and broadcast that they changed, for a second, the archive of the Rothschild family for the correspondence between Emperor Sasha No. 2 and the lover Dolgorukova! For such an "equivalent" exchange, he would not have reached Magadan under Stalin! am It’s just that they would have taken them forward from the Lubyanka.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 26 March 2016 15: 35
                    +2
                    Quote: avt
                    Rubber in the bath!?

                    Those who do not have and those who live in the "steppe", we really have no forests.
                    I drowned it myself in the 90s, also working off oil, when heating oil took off in price. Gas was spent about five years ago, as well as three tons of coal and a couple of cubes of firewood, just in case, bottled gas. In the cellar in plastic barrels , plus a supply of water, gasoline for the power plant and OZK with gas masks for the whole family. laughing
                    A seismic area and INP, reactors, not nearby. laughing
                    Quote: avt
                    Well, there’s more news in our country - Mironenko started the State Archives of the Russian Federation, who jumped out of his pants, proving that there were no Panfilovites near Dubosekovo,

                    I know this, that they don’t even remember that they died under RZHEV and Kharkov. I would like to have a memorial in Almaty, maybe I missed it, it appeared.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 26 March 2016 20: 37
          +3
          The trouble of the National Academy of Sciences that he took everything upon himself, nothing can be solved without him. Other bureaucrats are afraid to move their fingers without a command from above. Now is not the time of the 90s, when a dozen houses were being built (and advice. Heritage was distributed in its own way). Now he can’t keep track of everything. For over a dozen years he has been talking about the separation of branches of power, but things are still there.
          Many rightly point to the experience of the PRC. Two five-year plans and a change of "dynasty"; which "educated and selected the receivers", and then for another five years will "supervise" the "younger comrades." We do not want to get times when one gen.sec. left for another. On the other hand, there are many in government and power who are not even 50 years old. I think there is a "receiver", but until he announces his resignation, who will not say. The National Academy of Sciences does not need dual power, he prescribed his power and security with the title of Elbasy, so any subsequent president can be removed, as there is nothing to do. I do not think that he will put in his place the one who will destroy his brainchild - the EAEU, etc. hi
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 March 2016 20: 42
            +3
            Quote: Kasym
            I think there is a "receiver", but until he announces his resignation, who will not say. The National Academy of Sciences does not need dual power, he prescribed his power and security with the title of Elbasy, so any subsequent president can be removed, as there is nothing to do. I do not think that he will put in his place the one who will destroy his brainchild - the EAEU, etc.

            IMHO will be the military, in transition.
            In the future, I advise you not to discuss.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 26 March 2016 22: 02
              +3
              Hi, you can guess forever - there are enough applicants. And about the military ... the hint is clear, he is one of ...
              Why not discuss something? It seems that we do not offend anyone, and the yellow press has already crushed all the bones of the family and on whom only the crown has not been put on. bully . We now have democracy - a three-party parliament. laughing. hi
              1. marshes
                marshes 26 March 2016 22: 09
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                . We now have democracy - a three-party parliament.

                Well, who is at key posts? laughing
  4. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 26 March 2016 07: 50
    +3
    I do not remember in my memory that I have ever read the news that the Republic of Kazakhstan sold some kind of weapons from the "old" legacy of the USSR to the countries of the third or second world (if I am mistaken, correct it). Although they could, like Ukraine, Belarus, etc., Kazakhstan has a lot of this good. my opinion shows how they relate to the army and this is a plus. The old Soviet legacy is better to have than NOTHING. A couple (exaggerating) super modern wunder wafers have the same properties of malfunctions and have a chance to be lost in battle. That's then better Soviet good "old" which stands in storage than nothing. And the military-industrial complex can modernize this weapon, at least put it into operation. Sorry, of course, I am far from the Republic of Kazakhstan, but such small examples are important to me. PisSy I will not raise the political part of the issue, better the citizens of Kazakhstan no one can know this better, including the moral and psychological part of the personnel.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 March 2016 08: 04
      +4
      Yes, it was at the dawn of independence that they sold ammunition and equipment from different stocks like DPRK to different countries, but then the oil boom began and the need for it disappeared. Maybe now in connection with the crisis they will start to bargain again.
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    3. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 26 March 2016 08: 33
      +7
      You are mistaken that in the dashing 90s and in the early 2000s, Kazakhstan also traded weapons from old Soviet stocks, though not as famously and on a large scale as Ukraine, but still. Moreover, a number of high-profile scandals were associated with the sale of this very weapon, including corruption with the participation of prominent political figures and senior military officers, including the former son-in-law of our President - the late Rakhat Aliyev, the then prime ministers Kazhegeldin and Tokaev, generals Ertaev (chief of the general staff) and Khadeev (KNB ban, the truth was not accused of corruption, and in betraying the homeland - the issuance of military secrets to a number of countries).
      The first scandal occurred in the fall of 1995. Then the state-owned foreign trade company Ulan signed a contract with the Ministry of People's Armed Forces of the DPRK for the supply of 24 anti-aircraft guns of the 50s model. Anti-aircraft guns were removed from service and are intended for disposal. However, the government wisely judged that it would be nice to have some kind of fat, and instructed Ulan to conclude an agreement for 500 thousand dollars. The train with weapons passed through Russia and was detained on October 14 by an unknown customs officer at the Khasan railway station

      There were other scandals, including the sensational scandal with the delivery of used MiG-21 fighters to the DPRK.
      But in any case, in the sale of military supplies (from the times of the USSR) to Kazakhstan, Ukraine is very far from the same Ukraine (even in the difficult 90s of the country).
      I have the honor.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 30 March 2016 07: 22
        0
        I am grateful that I didn’t know they corrected, however, like everywhere there were dark horses.
  5. almost demobil
    almost demobil 26 March 2016 08: 15
    +1
    Quote: kuz363
    Therefore, it is necessary to apply the tactics of waiting. Otherwise, then the territory of Kazakhstan will be occupied by China or the United States.

    You voiced a strange position. Why do we need allies? Why are joint exercises held, why is a unified air defense system being built, why are contracts concluded, and so on? For what? The answer to all the questions is one, in order to support political measures at any time, and if necessary, the military of your ally. And everyone who tries to snuggle up to one of the participants in the union will have to get snot from all sides. It is in this case that the union makes sense, it is then that the territory of Kazakhstan will remain Kazakh, and not someone else's.
    And at this stage, only Russia fulfills all allied obligations, however, as in past centuries, as always.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 March 2016 08: 24
      +3
      Quote: almost demob
      Quote: kuz363
      Therefore, it is necessary to apply the tactics of waiting. Otherwise, then the territory of Kazakhstan will be occupied by China or the United States.

      You voiced a strange position. Why do we need allies? Why are joint exercises held, why is a unified air defense system being built, why are contracts concluded, and so on? For what? The answer to all the questions is one, in order to support political measures at any time, and if necessary, the military of your ally. And everyone who tries to snuggle up to one of the participants in the union will have to get snot from all sides. It is in this case that the union makes sense, it is then that the territory of Kazakhstan will remain Kazakh, and not someone else's.
      And at this stage, only Russia fulfills all allied obligations, however, as in past centuries, as always.

      you're right . you have no allies except the army and navy. and the rest is only eternal interests. The Kazakhs will have an interest to fit in with the Russians, they won’t have any interest, and the agreements are just pieces of paper which the Kazakhs are convinced of looking at the actions of other countries. By the way, Russians for Kazakhs will also fit in if they are interested in this and not according to any agreements. After all, there was no agreement with Syria on participation in the civil war, but nevertheless fit in when they realized their interests there.
      1. avt
        avt 26 March 2016 10: 11
        +3
        Quote: Semurg
        After all, there was no agreement on participation in the civil war with Syria

        You just don’t have a clue about the relations and agreements signed by Syria, there were and are agreements still in force signed by Pope Assad with the USSR and executed by Russia as the legal successor of the USSR, not only about Tartus and Khmeimim (imagine Khmeimim was registered, not as an air base, but as an airfield supplies if necessary), but also about more dense military assistance similar to the current agreement under the CSTO - the far-sighted Pope Assad tried, and the no less wise son had the courage and the will not to break them, as Anwar Sadat had done in Egypt in exchange I won’t tell you about dollar injections. I won’t say anything about Libya, but I don’t know for sure, but judging by the policy of the late deceitfully inverted Muamor (about the deceased either just good or nothing but the truth), he was on his own mind and didn’t let anyone close to the country, well, sense of bases.
        Quote: Semurg
        you're right . you have no allies except the army and navy. and the rest is only eternal interests.

        Well, thank God ! And then everyone, "want to lose the last ally"
        Quote: Semurg
        The Kazakhs will have an interest in fitting in for the Russians to fit in, there will be no interest in not fitting in

        Well, the multi-vector NAS spoke so much about the EAEU - business, nothing personal, well, in the sense of no politics.
        Quote: Pvi1206
        A serious arsenal.

        Serious, especially if put in order and trained staff to own it.
        Quote: Pvi1206
        It would be in good hands to protect the southern borders of the CIS.

        laughing Change the CIS to Kazakhstan and return to the reality that Russia would be very comfortable with in the current realities. But it’s like when there was a jam twice in Kyrgyzstan, the National Academy of Sciences didn’t save the relatives of the children, but Akayev donkeyed in the suburbs, and they had to send the Russian paratroopers to Kant to remove them. So somehow there is no certainty. Of course, an article on the topic of the site, but what exactly do they have there in Kazakhstan with these regular early elections ???? Whoever highlighted something on the topic, I’m not aware of the internal issues, well, in the sense, I don’t know the internal alignment and haven’t seen the election debriefing.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 26 March 2016 12: 05
          -1
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Semurg
          After all, there was no agreement on participation in the civil war with Syria

          You just have no idea about the relationship and the signed treaties by Syria

          and it states that in the event of a civil war in Syria, Russia should participate in it? And what if it was contrary to the interests of the Kremlin of the Russian Federation, it would still have participated in this war, because it is written in the agreement? But the Russian Federation and Ukraine signed an agreement on eternal friendship and the inviolability of borders, and why this agreement was just a piece of paper as soon as it ceased to satisfy the interests of the Russian Federation.
          1. avt
            avt 26 March 2016 13: 23
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            and it states that in the event of a civil war in Syria, Russia should participate in it?

            It states that in case of aggression against the LEGAL GOVERNMENT of Syria, assistance will be provided within the framework of the signed agreement by agreement of the parties to the signatory agreement. What has been done and is being done now, and which led, as it used to be in Lebanon with the efforts of Syria, to a real political dialogue, both with the clowns in Geneva and with quite specific field commanders, which is an order of magnitude more important and completely discourages the prospect Erdogan and Davud oglu their dream to pray in the Omeyad mosque, which they promised to do right in 2011.
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Apparently the NAS is taking an example from the adored on topvar - Joseph Vissarionovich "We are not changing the marshal to the lieutenant!"

            Rather, like an old apparatchik, he weighed his desires to "buy a house" and limited himself to a real opportunity to "buy a goat"
            Quote: Alibekulu
            "Family" is preparing to leave the NAS,

            This is not a secret.
            Quote: Alibekulu
            There will be a kind of collective "gray cardinal" ..

            request Very slimy post Titovsky Yugoslavian version. It will immediately begin - "And you, well, who are you!?" No. Not buzzing. But what is the clan alignment after the elections? Here's what's interesting - who will keep what resources on the ground, from here you can estimate in a first approximation the central government and who at the level of the power block will guarantee the stability of the alignment, again taking into account that these are "communicating vessels", well, actually the power on the ground and the power bloc. Again, what the National Academy of Sciences will actually do in the light of the statement in favor of "thinking about the separation of powers." Really really decided
            Quote: Alibekulu
            build such a complex scheme

            and hang out bays and balances in it? Well, in Russia, after the EBN, it somehow rolled without sharp shifts. And in Kazakhstan? What are the risks that the Bulldogs will take the fight out under the carpet if one of them feels that he is losing? In 1993, this ended with the shooting of parliament in Moscow and the Chechen war in two runs. request For the time being there is no sane description of at least what has happened and is taking place, not only to calculate at least a close perspective. In the presence of a long border open, still not with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, as the suspense strains.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 26 March 2016 14: 20
              +1
              Quote: avt
              Well, in Russia, after the EBN, it somehow rolled without sharp shifts. And in Kazakhstan? What are the risks that the Bulldogs will take out the fight under the carpet if one of them feels that he is losing? In 1993 we ended up with the shooting of the parliament in Moscow and the Chechen war in two runs. So far there is no sane description of at least what happened and what is happening It’s not like calculating at least a close prospect. ”Given the long open border, still not with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, as the unknown is straining.

              avt and how do you like this conspiratorial version, Putin’s idle daughter of Nazarbayev is also not married, well, and here’s the new legitimate president (tsar, khan, emperor) of the new united state. And what? The economies of our states are equally oil-gas-capitalist and the same in a ... uh mysterious state, so that integration will be painless. smile In general, there are a lot of different advantages. For example, many in the country of the most correct democracy will get worse from this. And then you understand they are exceptional, but hell. laughing
              1. avt
                avt 26 March 2016 14: 43
                +3
                Quote: IS-80
                avt and how do you like this conspiratorial version, Putin’s idle daughter of Nazarbayev is also not married, well, and here’s the new legitimate president (tsar, khan, emperor) of the new united state.

                wassat This ... good .... when you write to the Kremlin, don’t refer to me that they said they consulted with the guys and decided to offer. laughing
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 27 March 2016 16: 13
              +1
              Quote: avt
              What are the risks that the Bulldogs will take out the fight under the carpet if one of them feels that he is losing? In 1993 we ended up being shot

              We had it in the eighteenth century. when Abulhayr, whom 2 had once run, elected a nationwide khan, and he turned to RI ..
              His historical example and recent graphic in Ukraine, says that risks are minimal.. The Kazakhstani elite will not be set up either in front of the Kremlin or in front of Washington. Each sister will receive a ring.
              Quote: avt
              For the time being, there is no imputed description of at least the events that have taken place and what is happening, not that it is necessary to calculate at least a close perspective.
              "Turkmen option" if there is no force majeure ..
          2. IS-80
            IS-80 26 March 2016 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            But the Russian Federation and Ukraine signed an agreement on eternal friendship and the inviolability of borders, and why this agreement was just a piece of paper as soon as it ceased to satisfy the interests of the Russian Federation.

            And the opinion of the inhabitants of Crimea means to you is not at all interesting? And how legitimate was the destruction of the USSR? And in general, what do you want to say with all this? smile
          3. cyber
            cyber 26 March 2016 15: 45
            +1
            In fact, he became a piece of paper when he ceased to satisfy the interests of residents of the Crimea, as a subject of Ukraine! Those. the initiative was from almost Ukraine! Russia only granted the request of the former part of Ukraine! wink
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        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 26 March 2016 12: 28
          +4
          Quote: avt
          But just like when there were two times in Kyrgyzstan, the National Academy of Sciences of Russia’s relative to the marriage of children wasn’t
          Apparently the NAS is taking an example from the adored on topvar - Joseph Vissarionovich "We are not changing the marshal to the lieutenant!" So he put fraternal ties with the Kyrgyz people, higher than those of narrow kinship.
          Quote: avt
          Who would highlight something on the topic, I do not know the internal terro
          "Family" is preparing to leave the National Academy of Sciences, occupies key positions in the state. There will be a kind of collective "gray cardinal" ..
          There is no son, Dariga's daughter does not make an impression of a strong leader, by the way, from the mumble daughter of Askar Akayev - Bermet. If Bermet were the daughter of Abishevich, he wouldn’t have to build such a complicated scheme - he did not bother to make her president of RK.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 26 March 2016 13: 56
            0
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Apparently the NAS is taking an example from the adored on topvar - Joseph Vissarionovich "We are not changing the marshal to the lieutenant!" So he put fraternal ties with the Kyrgyz people, higher than those of narrow kinship.

            I don’t understand. Is it praise, reproach, or just a statement of fact? smile
            Quote: Alibekulu
            "Family" is preparing to leave the National Academy of Sciences, occupies key positions in the state. There will be a kind of collective "gray cardinal" ..

            There is another conspiracy theory about this.
            1. avt
              avt 26 March 2016 15: 06
              0
              Quote: IS-80
              Is it praise, reproach, or just a statement of fact?

              A repetition of the anecdote played by Ozerov in the film epic "Liberation." it is not difficult, after they learned about the death of Yakov Dzhugashvili by the death of a soldier at the front. Well, then they decided to "joke" with them - they gave a request through the Red Cross with the conditions for the start of negotiations and .... somehow famously, Yakov "instantly appeared on barbed wire under a lethal voltage.
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  6. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 26 March 2016 08: 28
    +1
    A serious arsenal. It would be in good hands to protect the southern borders of the CIS.
  7. Chisayna
    Chisayna 26 March 2016 15: 23
    0
    Well, as it were, the southern borders of the CIS have already passed. The CCM-Collective Peacekeeping Forces. From the Russian Federation, 201 MSD, PV, from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, one battalion each time. Next time, when defending the southern borders of the CIS, it will be the same.
  8. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 16: 06
    +2
    In the 90s, the children of workers and peasants from Kazakhstan, who wanted to study and become officers, studied in Russia, and the children of the so-called "elite" studied military affairs in Turkey and the states, guess who has a career growth, and who is eternal company and battalion commanders ???
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 16: 19
      +4
      Quote: nsws3
      In the 90s, the children of workers and peasants from Kazakhstan, who wanted to study and become officers, studied in Russia, and the children of the so-called "elite" studied military affairs in Turkey and the states, guess who has a career growth, and who is eternal company and battalion commanders ???

      Oh, don’t star. This I remember well. There was a set to Turkey, Germany and the USA, a little later. They were recruited from RS (V) SHI. Mostly children of workers and peasants. Knowledge of Kazakh is mandatory in Turkey, alas, Men-Asphalt did not pass. mostly they took from Shym and Ata. Germany knows German, if the son of a castellan of the RVShI belongs to the elite, then I am happy for that.
      And well, they went up the service who in Moscow and Yaroslavl studied. Here there is the Elite laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 March 2016 16: 41
        +5
        Kairat Kudabaev, in the RVSH-"Georgian" was something like Vakhtang Kikabidze. And so he ran barefoot in any weather, an hour before getting up. Awesome man. He died in Iraq during mine clearing. Studied in Turkey. Father teacher can be attributed to ELITE , mother is a medic. Himself from the East Kazakhstan region.
        I remember Kayr!
  9. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 17: 21
    +2
    Yes, I forgot to go to Yarfin and it was difficult to get to Russia, ordinary children studied in Ryazan in the 90’s, but they talked about difficult ones, and by the way I’m Russian and in the 93 year I lost my documents (I lived in Dzhambul) in minutes the defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan traveled when I wanted to go to the Ryazan school, I had to leave, but you didn’t say that in the military registration and enlistment office, and you don’t have to become an officer in the near future, and the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan on Russians is supported by normal Kazakhs, whom they keep in black body.
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 17: 46
      +1
      Quote: nsws3
      Yes, I forgot to Yarfin problem and in Russia was to get

      Well, there something national frames didn’t tear, it was conceivably something, the same Volskoy rear.
      Quote: nsws3
      (lived in Dzhambul)

      I have a spouse from Taraz, a German.
      Quote: nsws3
      even in minutes of the defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan traveled when I wanted to go to the Ryazan school, I had to leave, but you didn’t say that in the military enlistment office, and you don’t have to become an officer in the near future,

      I saw with my own eyes a list of military schools, and not only Kazakhs studied at the Higher School of Arts, for 93 years there were more than 200 places in Russian schools, only 73 people went to study there. Studying already, the Russian Federation, was not free for KZ.
      Quote: nsws3
      and the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the Russians is supported by normal Kazakhs, whom they keep in a black body.

      Well, how can I say, and not without this.
  10. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 17: 34
    +1
    Yes, I forgot to tell how they were "shmonali" at the border when I went to my homeland, when they found out that I was an officer of the RF Armed Forces, how they are doing now, but it was in the XNUMXs. With special frenzy, extorting a bribe, and the KNB is generally a separate topic.
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 26 March 2016 17: 43
      +1
      In the 90s (nineties), when you fly away from Tajikistan, it was like this: IL-76 stands, on take-off, take-off, tables are taken out, Tajik customs officers come out. You come in, put your bag on the table. The customs officer says quietly, 50 (fifty) go on and go .Or a steward depending on things. Here and the whole customs.
    2. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: nsws3
      Yes, I forgot to tell how they were "shmonali" at the border when I went to my homeland, when they found out that I was an officer of the RF Armed Forces, how they are doing now, but it was in the XNUMXs. With special frenzy, extorting a bribe, and the KNB is generally a separate topic.

      And what do you want? Ud.of showed. Although at 00 the border was generally transparent, the first PSC with border posts and posts you set and the border was conditional.
      By the way, your frontiers "fierce" the border strip, even against the locals. Ours are guarded and "how it goes" laughing .By the way, those, on the other hand, respect our people and that they don’t much quarrel. laughing
  11. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 18: 01
    +1
    The smallest competition in the Ryazan Airborne School was in the 1994 year, when two battalions were recruited (about 800 people) and then it amounted to about 1 to 3, and you say no one went to study.
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: nsws3
      The smallest competition in the Ryazan Airborne School was in the 1994 year, when two battalions were recruited (about 800 people) and then it amounted to about 1 to 3, and you say no one went to study.

      In Ryazan with KZ there are 2-3 people on the strength. Who will pay money. And so there is AVOKU, there are not bad specialists prepared and prepared. I know one Korean, AVOKU finished, I was in Mozambique, they probably thought that they were Chinese laughing And then the beginning. The headquarters of one of the airborne units.
      Even with the union, our frontier and combined arms were valued.
  12. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 18: 07
    +3
    He arrived in Taraz in the 2000 year (the railway station by the way, Dzhambul is called), friends immediately said that they would not tell anyone that he was in Chechnya, classmates and in general, like we are neutral, and people disappear, it was like that.
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: nsws3
      He arrived in Taraz in the 2000 year (the railway station by the way, Dzhambul is called), friends immediately said that they would not tell anyone that he was in Chechnya, classmates and in general, like we are neutral, and people disappear, it was like that.

      That’s all garbage, although at one time there a powerful Chechen diaspora lived there and they, the head, Makhmudov of one of the brothers were tied up for financing.
  13. nsws3
    nsws3 26 March 2016 18: 14
    +2
    About shmon: we were driving with my mother, they brought my aunt a meter of tea in a tin can, so the customs got to the bottom that I was bringing car filters for sale, there were already three cans of tea, and it was in 2010, they wanted to take it off the train.
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: nsws3
      About shmon: we went with my mother, brought my aunt tea "meter" in a tin can

      It’s strange, but tea is exported from our factories to the Russian Federation for circulation. Maybe they’ve carried out a shmon from this?
      1. MARATHET
        MARATHET 26 March 2016 18: 25
        +2
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: nsws3
        About shmon: we went with my mother, brought my aunt tea "meter" in a tin can

        It’s strange, but tea is exported from our factories to the Russian Federation for circulation. Maybe they’ve carried out a shmon from this?

        Your tea is not bad ... (at least not sweeping from the floor ..)
        But better than this I have never drank ... (memory remained forever ..)))
        1. marshes
          marshes 26 March 2016 18: 33
          +4
          Quote: MARATHET
          Your tea is not bad ... (at least not sweeping from the floor ..)

          Mother from Novosibirsk brought Oh, what a delicious! Unwrapped candy wrapper factory RAHAT, our local. laughing
          Quote: MARATHET
          But better than this I have never drank ... (memory remained forever ..)))

          36 is not bad, there was Alma-Ata, in a can .. We know a lot about tea. smile
          1. MARATHET
            MARATHET 26 March 2016 18: 41
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            Quote: MARATHET
            Your tea is not bad ... (at least not sweeping from the floor ..)

            Mother from Novosibirsk brought Oh, what a delicious! Unwrapped candy wrapper factory RAHAT, our local. laughing
            Quote: MARATHET
            But better than this I have never drank ... (memory remained forever ..)))

            36 is not bad, there was Alma-Ata, in a can .. We know a lot about tea. smile

            In the days of the USSR, we went to you (abroad) for groceries .. (30 km and another paradise ..)))) Although in our region there was also a meat factory and a candy factory of national importance ... and another .. It was a shame, but what do the brothers do though .. fellow
            1. marshes
              marshes 26 March 2016 18: 53
              +3
              Quote: MARATHET
              In the days of the USSR, we went to you (abroad) for groceries .. (30 km and another paradise ..)))) Although in our region there was also a meat factory and a candy factory of national importance ... and another .. It was a shame, but what do the brothers do though.

              Well, it depended on the region. We traveled to Bishkek (Frunze) or Tashkent. It’s easier for my father, he flew by plane. They want to head to Moscow, the Baltic states, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, etc. for some goods to fly. Documents were quickly made, yes in Andropov’s times. What are regulations, flights or so on ... What they’ll come up with. I’ll admit that they didn’t live badly.
              91 was visiting in Kharkov, just a putsch. But what was then sold in stores in Almaty only in dreams.
              There were good crosses and mafons in Andijan, they didn’t listen to music at all. Sharp 777,888, from Afghanistan to the checks. Someone who understood life, didn’t get up badly. In the 90s we didn’t have such a shot like in Russia.
          2. MARATHET
            MARATHET 26 March 2016 18: 52
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            .We know a lot about tea.

            I know .. I always try to take Kazakhstan! There you have a whole tea ritual .. you drink from a bowl (delicious, horror) I also don’t make it myself, the taste is not the same anyway! good
            1. marshes
              marshes 26 March 2016 19: 01
              +4
              Quote: MARATHET
              I know .. I always try to take Kazakhstan! There you have a whole tea ritual .. you drink from a bowl (delicious, horror) I also don’t make it myself, the taste is not the same anyway!

              So tea in a sip, in pialushki.
              Was in the Russian Federation, as usual brewed tea, immediately cheafirish? laughing
              Meat, lean beef. In Novosib from Azerbaijanis, I bought a ram. Kuyrdak, kebab, besh and manti, those in OUT laughing Everyone was worried about the liver laughing
              1. MARATHET
                MARATHET 26 March 2016 19: 48
                +2
                Quote: marshes
                Quote: MARATHET
                I know .. I always try to take Kazakhstan! There you have a whole tea ritual .. you drink from a bowl (delicious, horror) I also don’t make it myself, the taste is not the same anyway!

                So tea in a sip, in pialushki.
                Was in the Russian Federation, as usual brewed tea, immediately cheafirish? laughing
                Meat, lean beef. In Novosib from Azerbaijanis, I bought a ram. Kuyrdak, kebab, besh and manti, those in OUT laughing Everyone was worried about the liver laughing

                Oh, drooling drool .... I like your kitchen and rituals! good
                1. marshes
                  marshes 26 March 2016 19: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: MARATHET
                  Oh, drooling drool .... I like your kitchen and rituals!

                  Okay, sinful, in the 90s looking at the neighbors of pigs brought. Damn, it's easier to keep rams or gobies.
                  Okay, cut like a sheep, screaming .... That was not pleasant, it is becoming a "nigger", a blowtorch then zaparivat boiling water, clean ... short for this time I will not lie, the two rams on the "Spare parts "I'll analyze.
                  And so the last chip-stewed fish with potatoes, sour cream or mayonnaise.
                  Now it’s warm, a private house. In the courtyard there is a stationary barbecue, I cook what you want on the coal.
                  In the Army of turtles, hares and others. cooked. laughing
                  1. MARATHET
                    MARATHET 26 March 2016 20: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: marshes
                    And so the last chip-stewed fish with potatoes, sour cream or mayonnaise.
                    Now it’s warm, a private house. In the courtyard there is a stationary barbecue, I cook what you want on the coal.
                    In the Army of turtles, hares and others. cooked.

                    Enough of the swamps already ... I already have saliva on the clave .. (my wife left. I drink on an empty stomach ..)))) Well, you bastard .. write this ... aaaaaaaa I'm leaving the branch ..!
  14. Concept1
    Concept1 26 March 2016 18: 31
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    The air forces of Kazakhstan in a quantitative ratio are approximately equal to the Russian air forces in Syria. I don’t even know whether this is good or bad .. On the one hand, the Russian Aerospace Forces worked there perfectly, turning the tide of hostilities in a fairly vast territory.
    On the other hand, for the whole state, and the state is not small, this is very modest .. Moreover, in Kazakhstan there is not even close the quality of command and control of the armed forces as in Russia. And in the absence of proper modern management, supported by reconnaissance, communications, target designation, any military equipment built on high-tech equipment, even not quite old, turns into just targets.
    1. MARATHET
      MARATHET 26 March 2016 18: 36
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      Quote: concept1
      On the other hand, for the whole state, and the state is not small, this is very modest .. Moreover, in Kazakhstan there is not even close the quality of command and control of the armed forces as in Russia.

      Finally, Kazakhs, comrades spoke out to the point ... If something that militants pass through your territory like a knife through oil to us ... (we will certainly meet them ..) But they will cut a lot of civilians!
      1. Concept1
        Concept1 26 March 2016 18: 47
        +1
        Eh Misha Misha how do you hastily draw conclusions ...))) you are sweating your vanity


        1. MARATHET
          MARATHET 26 March 2016 19: 00
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          Quote: concept1
          Eh Misha Misha how do you hastily draw conclusions ...))) you are sweating your vanity

          I do not draw conclusions .. I know! (I don’t even want to watch the video ..)
          1. Concept1
            Concept1 26 March 2016 19: 10
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            You can't argue with you)) "constructive" dialogue turned out)))
  15. Zymran
    Zymran 26 March 2016 19: 14
    +1
    Another incarnation of Meehan? Only about locust run is not enough.
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 March 2016 19: 18
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      Quote: Zymran
      Only about locust run is not enough.

      Orenburg locust and crops of Bashkiria eats from the news of last summer. laughing
      1. MARATHET
        MARATHET 26 March 2016 19: 43
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        Quote: marshes
        Quote: Zymran
        Only about locust run is not enough.

        Orenburg locust and crops of Bashkiria eats from the news of last summer. laughing

        It’s coming from you ... You there have become pastoralists again!
        1. marshes
          marshes 26 March 2016 20: 04
          +1
          Quote: MARATHET
          It’s coming from you ... You there have become pastoralists again!

          Not a fig, caught somehow "by the hand" of the Orenburg officials. From our side, the entire processing goes from their silence. We allocate money for this.
          And so on the news of RTR, Orenburg officials here .... together .... Here we shot too. In RTR truncated, according to ours completely. I put it out with YouTube on this site. Where ours run into yours. laughing
          1. MARATHET
            MARATHET 26 March 2016 20: 20
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            Quote: marshes
            Quote: MARATHET
            It’s coming from you ... You there have become pastoralists again!

            Not a fig, caught somehow "by the hand" of the Orenburg officials. From our side, the entire processing goes from their silence. We allocate money for this.
            And so on the news of RTR, Orenburg officials here .... together .... Here we shot too. In RTR truncated, according to ours completely. I put it out with YouTube on this site. Where ours run into yours. laughing

            Okay, I believe ...! I ran into order.)))) hi
    2. MARATHET
      MARATHET 26 March 2016 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      Another incarnation of Meehan? Only about locust run is not enough.

      Mikhan there you already dug in .. and chu from the flamethrower will be wet! Do not follow your agriculture, sowing soon! wassat
  16. marshes
    marshes 26 March 2016 21: 20
    +3
    And so fresh from YouTube.