In the HRC under the President of the Russian Federation they see a "clear legal basis" for the exchange of N. Savchenko

The Donetsk court of the Rostov region did not have time to render a final verdict against a member of the Ukrainian gang "Aydar" Nadezhda Savchenko, and the Human Rights Council under the President of the Russian Federation already announced the possibility of exchanging Savchenko for Russian citizens detained by Ukraine. According to the head of the presidential HRC Michael Fedotov, “there is a clear legal basis for exchange”.

From the statement of Mr. Fedotov (quote RIA News):

I believe that the verdict, which today began to be announced, is a very important stage in the decision of the fate of Nadezhda Savchenko, because if he is not appealed by either the defense or the prosecution, then in ten days he will enter into force. And then it will be possible to raise the question of its exchange, on the basis of the principles laid down in the Minsk agreements, so that our compatriots - Russians Alexandrov, Yerofeyev, and others - will return home. I see quite a clear legal basis for this, since this can be formalized as the transfer of Savchenko and, accordingly, of Russian citizens to serve their sentences in the territory of their country. The possibility of serving a sentence in one’s own country is in accordance with international law.

Interestingly, how will Mr. Fedotov explain the “clear legal framework” to the relatives of the Russian journalists Igor Korneliuk and Anton Voloshin who died at the hands of the Nazis from “Aydar”? How “clear” is the legal basis of the Minsk Agreements, if hundreds of detained residents of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions are languishing in the dungeons of the SBU, which Kiev is not in a hurry to exchange, although the need for such an exchange is one of the primary points for the Ukrainian authorities to fulfill ...

And why did the HRC recollect Russian citizens Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov only against the background of the verdict to Ms. Savchenko? ..

Comments

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

this toad must sit, all 23 years old, from bell to bell !!!!!!

[chikenous59]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

that toad must sit !!!!!!

And our boys too?
Despite the fact that Savchenko is sitting in good conditions, and our guys are likely to be tortured.
Of course, you can arrange a special operation to rescue our specialists, but no one will do that.
It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: chikenous59

And our boys too?

remembered about the son of Stalin.

[Temples]

What a disgusting erysipelas.

Yes, and the entire HRC with a shower.
Not a Russian structure initially.
Potentially offended people.

The main thing in this business is for him to free this mouse.
And our compatriots in the dungeons of the SBU for him - a tool of trade.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Temples

What a disgusting erysipelas

So he was in the SPS, a liberal to the bone marrow.

[cniza]

He is not a liberal, he is a liberalist and never thought to be one, he is guided only by image-bearing, behavioral reflexes, and the soul is empty ...

[Pravdarm]

In as it should:
- Lavrenty Pavlovich, who are the HRC?
- some kind of liberals, Joseph Vissarionovich!
- I do not like this word. pleaseshoot them please!

[DMB_95]

Quote: Pravdarm

In as it should:
- Lavrenty Pavlovich, who are the HRC?

Do the liberals from the HRC do not understand that this stupid HRC was created in order to make Russia less likely to bark for the absence of human rights institutions, and not so that it would get into the policy of the State with its pro-American snout.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: cniza

He is not liberal, he is liberal

That's for sure! It was this louse five years ago that conducted the company on desovetization-de-Stalinization. The ideological heir to Bandera, here stands for his own. You can, by the way, exchange it yourself for our guys.

[Mobius]

In the HRC under the President of the Russian Federation they see a "clear legal basis" for the exchange of N. Savchenko

Rushed .... over the bumps

It’s interesting, how will Mr. Fedotov explain the “clear legal basis” to the relatives of the Russian journalists Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin who died at the hands of the Nazis from Aydar?

No way ... If the president will make a decision (I hope the sense of responsibility towards citizens will be enough not to do this) based on the "clear legal framework" provided by the Council for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So he was in the SPS, a liberal to the bone marrow.

Also illiterate, besides. Savchenko, at the time of her arrest, was not a member of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but was a member of the illegal armed formation "Aydar" and therefore did not initially have the status of a prisoner of war - hence the Minsk agreements do not concern her.
How a "member" of the Human Rights Council, wherever he was before, can be so wooden - I do not understand.

In addition, such actions will stimulate the Ukrainian authorities to further hostage taking. But this, for obvious reasons, does not bother Mr. Fedotov at all.

[Pereira]

Savchenko is his own. So he fights.

[Red_Hamer]

liberal to the bone marrow.

Character, Asian. A true liberal!

[Throw]

I propose to exchange this turnover of Fedotov!
All legal bases are there, even if it shakes the rights of ragul!

[sgazeev]

Quote: Lance

I propose to exchange this turnover of Fedotov!
All legal bases are there, even if it shakes the rights of ragul!

So it will be true!

[nils]

Quote: Lance

I offer this turnover Fedotov exchange

You can safely exchange half of the Human Rights Council.
Fedotov, Alekseeva, Brod, Svanidze, Masiuk, Yasin, Yurgens, Khakamada, Legoyda, Zasursky, Gusev (MK), Ambinder, etc.
There is a non-Russian spirit
and it stinks hard!

[Throw]

No, no, you’ve confused the landing list

[iliitchitch]

Quote: nils

There is a non-Russian spirit
and it stinks hard!

I remember that the faction in the State Duma was collected according to a national sign, the apple was called, the people sent them in the elections, so now they found another niche?

[SRC P-15]

No matter how we go broke here, shouting "Savchenko to Gilyak", but it will still be as it will be. If "the doctor says to the morgue, then to the morgue" and no one will do anything. Our indignation is unlikely to change the fate of Savchenko: how they decide "at the top," so be it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

No matter how we go broke

in the sense of a forum to close?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

No matter how we go broke here, shouting "Savchenko to Gilyak", but it will still be as it will be. If "the doctor says to the morgue, then to the morgue" and no one will do anything. Our indignation is unlikely to change the fate of Savchenko: how they decide "at the top," so be it.

[Evgeniy667b]

Interesting, however, is Vladimir Vladimirovich's advisor! He will advise a lot of things, from the fact that it is not good for us, but only "Russia's partners" are in the hands of. It is necessary to drive them all and let them do socially useful physical labor. And for Savchenko one place is the most suitable - "Black Dolphin" in the town of Sol Iletsk. Or in "White Swan".

[Baloo]

And this organized crime group HRO for what money exists?
Really on my taxes ?!
Then they need to be lustrated and new ones should be selected, staff should be reduced, and expenses also. do nothing? At least one of us who has found themselves in a difficult situation abroad has been protected? I didn’t mean Buta or Yaroshenko

[weksha50]

Quote: Balu

Then they need to be lustrated and new ones selected,

The new composition will not differ much ...

And as for Bout and Yaroshenko, you are right ... According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Article 22, paragraph 4), The Russian Federation guarantees the protection and patronage of its citizens outside its borders...

[weksha50]

Quote: nils

Fedotov, Alekseeva, Brod, Svanidze, Masiuk, Yasin, Yurgens, Khakamada, Legoyda, Zasursky, Gusev (MK), Ambinder, etc.

What "splendid" and "significant" surnames ... Send them for treatment on the shores of the Dead Sea ...

So, probably, no country would like to accept ...

PS Alekseeva, by chance, is not the side daughter of Koshchei the Immortal?
For some reason, good people do not heal in this world for a long time, but toadstools smolder, smolder, stink, stink ... There is no fire and light from them, only stink ... Harm and nonsense ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Lance

All legal bases are- Let there also shake the rights to ragul!

No ... This viper is primarily protected by Articles 10 and 22 of the Constitution ...

Art. 10. Everyone can have their own point of view and express it ...
Art. 22. pp. 2,3. 2. A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deprived of citizenship of the Russian Federation or expelled outside its borders.
3. A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be extradited to another state other than on the basis of a law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.
However, paragraph 4 of Art. 22 reads: "The Russian Federation guarantees protection and patronage to its citizens outside its borders" ...

Here is the gentleman Fedotov and plays on this ...

[Mr.Evil]

can anyone explain to me why this mare wasn’t killed during the detention? They would simply announce the elimination of the killer of journalists and that’s all. Why did you have to make a martyr out of her for all possible riffraff?

[Throw]

Mr. Evil, if during the detentions they finish everyone off, without trial or investigation, we will soon have no more words.

But we are polite people ..

[kotvov]

can anyone explain to me why this mare wasn’t killed during the arrest ?,
I will express my point of view. 1. It falls under the article-war crimes. 2. Remind banderlogs that there is a shortcut for them. 3. Demonstrate that the country appreciates the lives of its citizens.

[30BIS]

Toad is paid and not bad. That's croaking .. It's time to block the sources of money for a hard croaking. None of them croak for nothing - toads!

[mishaia_23]

Yes, with such views on reality, Mr. Fedotov simply has an unconventional sexual orientation
he e..sya not f0 .. but to the soul

[Aleksander]

Quote: Temples

The main thing in this business is for him to free this mouse.

And what is the shape ?! What does the Minsk Agreement, which provide for the exchange of prisoners of war between the parties conflict?

Russia-NOT side Conflict and Agreement, she Does not fight and she cannot have and NO prisoners of war. Russia judges the suspect for specific crimes.
Does this high-ranking prdrok really not understand that with such statements he recognizes that Russia is at war with the Ruin?

[abrakadabre]

These are not potentially offended people, but professionally offended.

[kotvov]

These are not potentially offended people, but professionally offended. ,,
if that were the case, these people work for another country.

[atalef]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: chikenous59

And our boys too?

remembered about the son of Stalin.

Hi Andrew
Why not remember

On October 16, 2011, Israeli and Palestinian media published a list of prisoners released in exchange for the kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit. The list included 477 names of terrorists - it contains 450 men, of which 280 received life sentences, and 27 women.

In the second phase of the transaction, Israel pledged to release 2011 prisoners of its choice until December 550. Their names were published on December 14, and on December 18, the terrorists were released.

Among those who were released as part of the deal are terrorists sentenced to 18, 19, 21, 23, and even to 48 life sentences.

[SSR]

Only now, if you recall the calls to Sileva and other Urka’s talking heads ..... They suggest grabbing the citizens of Russia and blaming them for what they please ...... It makes no sense, they will only take more and more citizens off the trains. Personally, I would agree to exchange Savchenko for Avakov, Turchinov ....... The rest will be caught by Kulalop.

[RBLip]

Quote: atalef

On October 16, 2011, Israeli and Palestinian media published a list of prisoners released in exchange for the kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit. The list included 477 names of terrorists - it contains 450 men, of which 280 received life sentences, and 27 women.

In the second phase of the transaction, Israel pledged to release 2011 prisoners of its choice until December 550. Their names were published on December 14, and on December 18, the terrorists were released.

Among those who were released as part of the deal are terrorists sentenced to 18, 19, 21, 23, and even to 48 life sentences.

half, up to the set, straight from the street rowing? ukrofashiki also act before exchanges. they’ll pick up, that would be bigger and more forward, for an exchange ...

[Mobius]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

remembered about the son of Stalin.

Quote: atalef

Why not remember

On October 16, 2011, Israeli and Palestinian media published a list of prisoners released in exchange for the kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit.

This is YOUR internal business, how to make exchanges.

We have other approaches if you want traditions at the genetically subconscious level.

[Revolver]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

remembered about the son of Stalin.

And I recalled Gilad Shalit. In his exchange, it was established that one Jew is equivalent to 1027 Arabs. The Jews, of course, have a lot to learn from, but in this case they are clearly bloated, and one should not take an example from them. It's not even the numbers. Terrorists and pathological killers can not be released into the wild, even under the pretext of an exchange, it turns out a mockery of justice. Not to mention the fact that many liberated terrorists were then again arrested because they took up the old.

[weksha50]

Quote: Nagan

Gilad Shalit recalled. When exchanging it, it was found that one Jew is equivalent to 1027 Arabs. The Jews, of course, have a lot to learn from, but in this case they are clearly bloated, and one should not take an example from them. It's not even the numbers

Um ... Interesting arithmetic ... The teachers were probably from the Hitler-Goebbels cage ...

Indeed, one should not take an example from such "arithmetic" ...

[RBLip]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

remembered about the son of Stalin.

nuuuu, from the Savchenka field marshal, like, excuse me, a bullet from shit.

[tolyasik0577]

remembered about the son of Stalin.

Let me disagree with you. Vasily Stalin was captured during the fighting, but Russia is not at war with the ruin. And Savchenko is far from being a general, but a simple frostbitten fascist killer. And not a patriot of Ukraine. And in the third, give the junta just an excuse they will start to grab everyone in a row with Russian passports for the sake of exchanging for their frost-bitten fosterlings.

[Mobius]

Quote: tolyasik0577

Let me disagree with you. Vasily Stalin was captured during the fighting

Yes, and this is disputed by a number of historians. Skillful falsification by the Nazis is suspected.

[Tresh]

Vasily Stalin was captured during the fighting, Russia is not at war with the ruin .....

Sorry, but could not put a minus. You are inattentive at best, or you don’t know the story, at least in the public domain. Another son of Stalin was captured: Jacob. Vasily Stalin was a pilot and was never captured.

[tolyasik0577]

Yes, Jacob. Vasily Stalin

Yes, sorry, really Jacob. Mixed up.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: chikenous59

Despite the fact that Savchenko is sitting in good conditions, and our guys are likely to be tortured.

i will say tough
how it is not offensive to anyone, but the Savchenko can’t be exchanged under any circumstances, otherwise it will be a farce worse than with Vasilyeva

and it’s not clear what kind of guys you verb

[chikenous59]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: chikenous59

Despite the fact that Savchenko is sitting in good conditions, and our guys are likely to be tortured.

i will say tough
how it is not offensive to anyone, but the Savchenko can’t be exchanged under any circumstances, otherwise it will be a farce worse than with Vasilyeva

and it’s not clear what kind of guys you verb

About Erofeev and Alexandrov. Do you propose to throw them and give them to those cattle in the SBU for eating? Do you think they will stay alive there? Tortured like dogs. This is an already completed stage.

[Pravdarm]

nobody is going to throw them! Everything must be done in the legal field!
No one will eat them, such publicity is the verdict to the Hunts!

Uglyapok Kiselyov, (former NTV, lying under the kaklov) said recently: "... so steal about 5 Russians ...!" Those. You want them to start stealing our people and blackmailing, thereby dictating to Russia! They will do this with pleasure. Especially if they see that Russia succumbs to this!

[No login]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

otherwise it will be a farce worse than with Vasilyeva

It seems that this is a farce. You just need to wait time, let's see if they will exchange or not. I believe, will be exchanged.

[Cheshire]

It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine.

She herself does not go there for a long time. Well, they do not need them alive in kakyandii.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: chikenous59

It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine.

Quote: Cheshire

She herself does not go there for a long time. Well, they do not need them alive in kakyandii.

Why are you so bloodthirsty? Nobody will poison and kill her. Poorut still, and then forget. If there is no person in the information field, there are no problems. With equal success she will be removed from the media space, whether she will sit in Russia or return to Ukraine - the politicians there do not need competitors. For example, the Ukrainian court recognizes the commander of "Aydar" Melnichuk (who is now under investigation) a criminal, and recognizes his "battalion" as a criminal illegal armed group. And that's it, the Khokhlo media will stop mentioning these "heroes" and about Syavchinka as well ..

Quote: Oleg147741

That she would get off very easily. Death is an easy way out of everything

From what? Is she being tortured or humiliated or what? This fool enjoys her "moment of glory" and gnaws at three throats, periodically arranging for herself fasting days, called a hunger strike. Although she looks like a woman in Russian "dungeons", she is no longer such a disgusting coble that she was a year and a half ago

[EvgNik]

Quote: Ami du peuple

already not so disgusting cobla that was a year and a half ago

So this is a balanced diet, which she stubbornly calls a hunger strike. Plus - a healthy lifestyle.

[EvgNik]

Quote: chikenous59

Despite the fact that Savchenko is sitting in good conditions

That's her whilesits in good conditions. And remind me of the sentence in which colony she was sentenced? Here it is. I assure you, there she will not be as arrogant as in front of television cameras.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: chikenous59

And our boys too?

Savchenko is a criminal and a lot has been put on her. In addition, this will be a precedent for other war criminals. They will find our citizens again. it's like giving a drink. And impunity will be a reason for further lawlessness of the Kiev junta. They will understand that our liberals will find a loophole for them. This is a political issue! It was possible to exchange Stalin’s son for Paulus, but they didn’t! So do not raise the howling liberal you are ours!

[chikenous59]

Quote: Oleg147741

So do not raise the howling liberal you are ours!

No need to call names like that)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: chikenous59

And our boys too?

They will sit until the power in Ukraine changes, this is not for long.

[atalef]

Quote: chikenous59

While Savchenko is in good conditions, and our guys are likely to be tortured.

Strange you, don’t you really understand that Savchenko, that the Russians (who are there * vacationers *) are so important that they torture them if only

[kotvov]

You’re strange, don’t you really understand that Savchenko, that the Russians (who are there * vacationers *) ,,
of course, you’re a great joker, but don’t be too lazy and look for how they return (not even militias, but just civilians) from the so-called captivity of the SBU.

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: chikenous59

It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine.

it may be easier to catch one more "Savchenko". They threaten to win back to the Crimea and "liberate" Rostov. there are enough candidates. and this um ... the individual ... has to sit. its entire term.

[Rav075]

She is not a prisoner of war, therefore, she has nothing to do with the Minsk agreements and is not subject to transfer!

[sgg]

"Your" guys, if they really are employees of the GRU, broke the oath, so it is hardly a good idea to change a criminal for a traitor. There are more worthy ones to exchange if a decision is made to exchange.

[gergi]

Our guys need to be pulled out by anyone. The creature nadyushka will end badly, they don’t live such long. The fascists themselves will remember. Russians do not abandon their own.

[Pereira]

Most likely, there will still be an exchange. But, I believe, it will be correct if, in anticipation of the exchange, she still sews a couple of mittens. It will be noted, so to speak. For the bullpen is one thing and the other zone.

[Tambov Wolf]

If they exchange Savchenko, it will be tantamount to the case of Serdyukov. The betrayal of the Russian people. Sit the creatures until they die.

[Hope1960]

This will be tantamount to the case of Khodorkovsky. Why did they release him? !!! To sue him in European courts? And if Savchenko is exchanged, the stench flow to Russia will be a hundredfold stronger. Let it sit, she deserved it.

[kotvov]

It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine. ,,
Captures of our citizens will begin tomorrow. You will probably agree to participate in the exchange?

[Ze Kot]

Quote: chikenous59

It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine.

She will immediately become a "heroine" there and she will water Russia even more with shit

[Weyland]

Quote: chikenous59

Of course, you can arrange a special operation to rescue our specialists, but no one will do that.

What for? It works in the Russian Federation million Ukrainian migrant workers - is it really difficult ten thousand to arrest? Of course, it’s not so easy to grab - but a hundred rubles, which spies among them are probably not one percent!

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

this toad must sit !!!!!!

It would be better if this toad was helped to squint in the forest belt near Lugansk. Fuck with her now ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

23 years old for three years in a colony and even so that her sons would explain every day how she is wrong

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Ami du peuple

It would be better if this toad was helped to squint in the forest belt near Lugansk.

That she would get off very easily. Death is an easy deliverance from everything.

[Cheshire]

It will be easier to poison Savchenko in Ukraine.

You yourself understand that you cannot return the past, why dream of a pipe dream?

[79807420129]

And I propose to exchange Fedotov himself, and Makarevich and Navalny to the heap to add, otherwise poor people in Russia.

[Cheshire]

And I propose to exchange Fedotov himself, and Makarevich and Navalny to the heap to add, otherwise poor people in Russia.

There are many of their own - they will not behave.

[mirag2]

In Ukraine, they seem to relate to Savchenko’s exchange for someone, as only Russia can help them get rid of uncomfortable people and help them in this:

[mirag2]

Lyashko offers to exchange Savchenko for Gontareva:

[EvgNik]

Quote: mirag2

Lyashko offers to exchange Savchenko for Gontareva:

He would have suggested Poroshenko ...

[Finches]

For some reason, the HRC always consists of liberals who are shitting off on their own country ... That’s why, what structure you can’t take, where there is a wording about human rights, we can safely say that this is a bunch of national traitors who work for money against Russian opponents, even if and under the President of Russia ... why?

[Igor39]

Let Turchinov change

[sgazeev]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

this toad must sit, all 23 years old, from bell to bell !!!!!!

Fedot is not the same. Drive this old goat, burp from YOBN.

[vodolaz]

You can’t change it, let it sit and live.

[SveTok]

On felling it near Magadan there she will be taught life to love.

[siberalt]

Gee! Taki Poroshenko shortly before the trial. To whom will the EU change it?

[Pavel Vereshchagin]

The purpose of these SPChshnikov is not to free ours, but to gain political points in the eyes of the gay people.

[Cheshire]

If possible, exchange. Need help aliveand the dead - eternal memory. If one or two can be exchanged for this creature peopleneed to change.
Here another hare is killed - they need her sitting in a Russian prison, but not much at large.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Cheshire

they need her sitting in a Russian prison, but not much at large.

They and the amers need it to change the government in Kiev, so they raised the hi. It was prepared for a very long time and a lot of money was invested in it. So she has to sit in Russia! And stop seeing to the tip of your nose. "Analytics"!

[Cheshire]

They and the amers need it to change the government in Kiev, so they raised the hi. It was prepared for a very long time and a lot of money was invested in it. So she has to sit in Russia! And stop seeing to the tip of your nose. "Analytics"!

You please explain your thought, preferably with details - how to use this creation to change the power in Kiev, where and how it was prepared for a long time, and it makes sense to feed it in Russia, if you can exchange it for our children in Kiev captivity.

P.S. I do not consider common phrases.

[Lunic]

"And why did the HRC remember about Russian citizens Erofeev and Aleksandrov only against the background of the sentence to Mrs. Savchenko? .."

They remembered because they had never forgotten. And in what other way is it possible to return Erofeev and Alexandrov to their homeland?
You need to look deeper ...

[Tujh]

As Stanislavsky said: "I DO NOT BELIEVE!" They "remembered" too early. If the trial of Savchenko is widely covered both in the central and in the "alternative" media, then not a single "human rights" bastard stuttered about the fate of Erofeev and Aleksandrov for the time being. I understand that for some reason, perhaps for some reason, these "human rights defenders" are not allowed to speak on central channels, but such "Rupor Pravda" as "Matza's Ear" and "Yeast" would simply have to provide air for the "mourners" on human rights ... Here, most likely, it is different - neither for "Matza's Ear" nor for "Yeast" Erofeev and Aleksandrov are not people, and therefore for the "mourners" they are just a commodity for the return of the "innocently slandered" saint "to the bosom of the Ruins.

[Blondy]

Quote: Tujh

then not a single "human rights" bastard stuttered about the fate of Erofeev and Aleksandrov for the time being. I understand that for some reason, perhaps for some reason, these "human rights activists" are not allowed to speak on central channels, but such "Rupora Pravda" as "Matza's Ear" and "Yeast" would simply have to provide air for the "mourners" for human rights ...

And what is there to explain: there are amateurs and there are professionals, and professionals do not work for free.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lunic

They remembered because they had never forgotten

True? And when did this clown in the photo still remember about them?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

True? And when did this clown in the photo still remember about them?

Yes, even this one remembered, but where are the others? Or just in words?

[Lunic]

I won’t say about this clown, I don’t know! In my opinion: Do not scream at every corner (as VNA Ukraine does), this does not mean that they forgot about the guys. Silently, they calmly prepare the exchange of prisoners in the field. if exchanged as prisoners of war, (without trial) then this would be an indirect admission that Russia is participating in the hostilities in the Donbass as a party to the conflict. And yet, Savchenko as a prisoner is a symbol of the struggle against Russia for many of Ukraine. Exchanging it for captive guys will be only good. And the guys will be pulled out of captivity and removed the halo of the tormentor from this fool. in half a year she’ll be free, like another crazy Tanya Chornovol, useless and only harming the image of Ukraine.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Lunic

You need to look deeper ...

I agree, you need to look deeper. Take a look who suggested this exchange. And then much will become clear.

[avvg]

In my opinion, the sooner we get rid of Savchinko, find a suitable option for an exchange, the less "shit" will smell.

[Bayonet]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, she must and must serve her sentence,

And why do we need this hemorrhoid for many years - a "martyr", "a victim of the Russian lawlessness"? If you can exchange it for our guys, it will be more useful, and they will forget this ... in half a year.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bayonet

And why do we need this hemorrhoid for many years - a "martyr", "a victim of the Russian lawlessness"?

Do you like the winner of Russia? !!!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Do you like the winner of Russia? !!!

I don’t understand what you mean. More specifically please.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

that after the exchange saPchenka will be the winner

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

that after the exchange saPchenka will be the winner

Which "winner"? After half a year, they will completely forget about her. If we don’t abandon ours, we can change.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bayonet

Which "winner"?

will not be forgotten, those who are interested in the war with Russia will not give

[Vitwin]

you are absolutely right - they will condemn her, put up a company in the media, and during the year (with a large margin) will exchange them for our fighters.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Bayonet

and they will forget this ... in half a year.

And let's assume that they will not forget. She will be released, put in place of Yatsenyuk or Poroshenko, and the United States and England will begin to raise Ukraine like Germany in 33 for five years, and in Ukraine everything will be ready and trained to throw on Russia. And this will be a war between a brother and a zombified brother. And with modern weapons and the media, it is such a haemorrhoid that the exchange of the "humane" exchange of these two guys seems like nonsense.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Oleg147741

She will be released, put instead of Yatsenyuk or Poroshenko

Type - the cook will rule the state? One must know the measure ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Bayonet

Type - the cook will rule the state? One must know the measure ...

And who was Hitler, a corporal from a cook on such a scale is not so far. Besides, who told you that Obama rules America? or Germany Merkel, or maybe Oland controls France?

[Blondy]

Quote: Oleg147741

And let's assume that they will not forget. She will be released, put in place of Yatsenyuk or Poroshenko, and the United States and England will begin to raise Ukraine like Germany in 33 for five years, and in Ukraine everything will be ready and trained to throw on Russia. And this will be a war between a brother and a zombified brother. And with modern weapons and the media, it is such a haemorrhoid that the exchange of the "humane" exchange of these two guys seems like nonsense.

Well, fantasies, even the ancients spoke about it’s hard to enter the river twice in one river - now it’s not the 41st. Yes, and it’s hard to imagine the Western guys that for five years they have been throwing cool dibs into a zombie, and they, joyful, steal and steal. In order for everything to be ready it was necessary to work hard, and rogues, even zombies, were not associated in any way with this understanding. Do not think that grandmother Nuland from zoological hatred of Russia with great enthusiasm in old age came with cookies. Of course, it’s a competitor and it would be nice to spoil him, but the main thing is that everything is under control - there it smells enticingly like shale oil and black soil. Well, if it comes to money, these Nulands and Biden, contrary to Zadornov, are not completely dumb to dump grandmas into a failed project.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Blondy

there it smelled enticingly like shale oil and black soil.

Are you sure that shale oil !? And if I say that the Crimea! And oil for show. Why is there no development of this oil there now? Or say that the war. So who unleashed this war? Doesn't it seem that the circle is closing?

[atalef]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, she must and must serve her sentence,

And why do we need this hemorrhoid for many years - a "martyr", "a victim of the Russian lawlessness"? If you can exchange it for our guys, it will be more useful, and they will forget this ... in half a year.

Absolutely correct.
Who in half a year will remember her, without the halo of a martyr?
Russia needs to close this sheet; all the same, everything is developing not as planned.
To return their own, to give away strangers (by the way, their own are somehow the same, it is not clear what they were doing on the territory of another state) and there is no need to make a terrorist out of one, and fighters from the other --- both sides are covered up to their ears.
Exchanged, forgot, closed --- good for everyone.

[asiat_61]

I agree, you need to exchange it. Now she is in Ukraine as an icon of a martyr. And God forbid she dies in our prison. A month or two after she returns to Holland, everyone will forget about her, she will not be needed. She is needed or living in a Russian prison , or dead, but again in a Russian prison.

[Weyland]

Quote: asiat_61

Now she is in Ukraine as an icon of a martyr. And God forbid her to die in our prison.

Well, Raduyev died in our prison - and so, was there a lot of noise? Savchenko - waste material, screaming and forget!

[EvgNik]

Quote: Bayonet

And why do we need this hemorrhoid for many years - a "martyr", "a victim of the Russian lawlessness"?

We will have hemorrhoids if she returns to Ukraine.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: avvg

the less "shit" will smell.

Shit must be closed so as not to smell! and do not discuss it on the site!

[Vitwin]

Quote: Oleg147741

Shit must be closed so as not to smell! and do not discuss it on the site

Savchenko is a big link in Russian propaganda, so to say - the upbringing of patriotism, the same thing happens on the outskirts - something that already looks like Joan of Arc was blinded. It turns out that the Russian media with their own hands created an image for worship and fastening of Ukrainian society, this is the reverse side of the coin.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Vitwin

It turns out that the Russian media with their own hands created an image for the worship and fastening of Ukrainian society

Created not Russian. There the Russians do not broadcast; they created the Ukrainian ones.

[Tujh]

How did Fedotov have the Minsk Agreements and Russia? As far as I remember, the Minsk Agreements stipulated the exchange of prisoners of war between the LPNR and Ukraine. Or has the inflamed ISKCON of the "right-wielder" already included the LPNR in Russia? I wonder if Russia itself knows about this?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Tujh

whether the inflamed ISKCON of the "right-wielding" has already included the LPNR in Russia? I wonder if Russia itself knows about this?

All correctly Minsk agreements do not concern Russia and this is another calico.

[VP]

Tell me, plz, why in some materials posting articles / news are not signed?
Does this mean that the material is not copyrighted or that the author would not want to show his authorship?

[would]

It’s interesting, how will Mr. Fedotov explain the “clear legal basis” to the relatives of the Russian journalists Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin who died at the hands of the Nazis from Aydar?

I wonder how the author will explain the "clear legal basis" to the relatives of two Russian citizens who languish in the dungeons of the SBU? ABOUT! The author remembered about them, wow! The fact is that the dead cannot be returned no matter how much Savchenko is in prison. And the guys are alive right now and they can and should be saved. In addition, Savchenko herself is, at best, a small fry, if not at all, from the fact that she will be released, there will not be much damage, if any. Now, if there was a question of exchanging Poroshenko for our guys, then it would be worth thinking about (by the way, even in this case, I am for salvation, but probably by other methods). And so exchange and be done! Will go out and in the worst case will go back to the battalion, there are many of them. One more, one less ... "truce" all the same and maybe there "reward will find a hero."

And why did the HRC recollect Russian citizens Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov only against the background of the verdict to Ms. Savchenko? ..

Maybe the author has other candidatures for an exchange? Somehow he did not consider it necessary to share.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: rait

I wonder how the author will explain the "clear legal basis" to the relatives of two Russian citizens who languish in the dungeons of the SBU?

let's not
guys are the military who are aware that they are going
and to arrange a hysteria about this is not reasonable, in the end, for that matter it is better to conduct a full-scale rescue operation

[would]

The fact that they are military (not a fact, but very likely) somehow diminishes their deprivation? Obligations of the Motherland towards them? Personally, I don’t think so, they are primarily citizens of their country. And his own country should pull out its citizens, especially the military caught abroad. Especially if you change to a character who is nobody.

it’s better to carry out a full-scale rescue operation

Now I need to poke around why such an operation will not take place, or do you understand everything yourself?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you don’t have to crucify at all, there are still state interests and someone likes it or not

Quote: rait

And his own country should pull out its citizens, especially the military caught abroad.

far from always there is an opportunity, but what you write from relatives to another is life at all costs

[would]

there are still state interests and someone likes it or not

Here I am about the same. The interests of the state do not allow such power operations, regardless of whether someone likes it or not.

far from always there is an opportunity, but what you write from relatives to another is life at all costs

There is an opportunity. Right here, now, for specific people. And the price for this feature is very small even in the worst case. At best, Nadia will go to the Rada, become another worthless button-keeper who feeds from the budget of Ukraine and periodically breaks from the rostrum. And the fact that you write is in fact an appeal to quit своих people for the sake of some worthless little man. Strong countries do not even abandon their intelligence officers, and there is no talk of these "special forces". Israelis by the way for the sake of one soldier ...

[Tujh]

Have you not yet understood, or are you doing this on purpose ?:

Quote: rait

Israelis by the way for the sake of one soldier ...

Israel in the case of Palestine and the Gaza Strip is a PARTY OF CONFLICT !!!
If there is an exchange "IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MINSK AGREEMENTS", then Russia will AUTOMATICALLY position itself as a PARTY TO THE CONFLICT, which gives Ukraine, or rather the United States behind it, the right to full-scale military operations against Russia with unpredictable consequences. And this will be justified from the point of view of world law, since Russia itself has recognized itself as a PARTY TO THE CONFLICT.

[would]

Have you not yet understood, or are you doing this on purpose ?:

I have the same question.

Next is nonsense, forgive me. The exchange of prisoners is simply the exchange of prisoners without any formalization on the topic of conflict, and there most likely will not be indicated there at all. And it will be perfect outside the framework of the Minsk agreement, that's for sure (read their text, you will understand why). How will the state simply exchanging prisoners become a party to the conflict? Only you know this. The United States, however, considers Russia to be a party to the conflict from the outset (and right) and we all know that they don’t give a damn about any world law there, if they had the opportunity they would have already started such actions. Only now there is no possibility and nuclear weapons are also still on international law.

[Tujh]

Why so sure that it will be (if any)

Quote: rait

Prisoner exchange is simply an exchange of prisoners without any formalization of the conflict

Kiev needs it in a "cage", and if it does exchange it, then with fireworks and splashes of champagne, that is, as a prisoner of war and precisely in accordance with the Minsk agreements.

[would]

From there I read them before discussing the Minsk agreements

6. Ensure the release and exchange of all hostages и illegally detained persons based on the principle of "all for all."

The persons under discussion are neither the first nor the second, but prisoners convicted in accordance with the laws of the countries where the trial took place. They cannot be exchanged by status under the Minsk agreements. That is why I recommended you read the Minsk agreements, but, alas, you did not follow my advice and continued to carry nonsense non-existent in the Minsk agreements.

that is, as a prisoner of war

Nor can there be a prisoner of war Savchenko and the Minsk agreements do not provide for their exchange. Oh yes, by the way about the parties to the conflict. The Minsk agreements were also signed by our ambassador, are we now a party to the conflict? Our country has pledged to do everything possible to comply with this agreement. Are we now a party to the conflict?

[Tujh]

Quote: rait

The persons under discussion are neither the first nor the second, but prisoners convicted in accordance with the laws of the countries where the trial took place. They cannot be exchanged by status under the Minsk agreements.

I know this, and I understand that this is an ordinary criminal, from whom they made a "holy martyr." The question is on a different plane, namely from the point of view of our "partners":
Kerry expressed concern about the health and well-being of Savchenko, "who since last Friday refused to accept food and water in protest against further detention by the Russian Federation." "The trial of Savchenko and her further detention demonstrates disrespect for international standards, as well as Russia's obligations under the Minsk agreements", - said the Secretary of State.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/497624
Now I hope it’s clear why you need to not only read the Minsk agreements, but also listen to how others interpret them.

[would]

They can be interpreted as they like, if they were not "interpreted" at least also by international legislation. The Minsk Agreement is not a reason, but one of the many reasons in the information environment. Informational, Karl! And no

in terms of world law

I am already silent about the legal side of the matter in exchange.

So I hope you understand that before discussing the Minsk agreements they should be read.

[Tujh]

Quote: rait

I am already silent about the legal side of the matter in exchange.

I think that the phrase "the legal side of the matter" is unknown for the current Ukrainian government, it is enough to recall the epic with the 3-billion-dollar debt, although everything there is legally competently formalized, they still turn everything in the way that suits them.

Quote: rait

So I hope you understand that before discussing the Minsk agreements they should be read.

Take a look around, ask your acquaintances what they know about the Minsk agreements. The overwhelming majority of them know that they exist and that Russia has nothing to do with it, since they relate to Ukraine and the LPNR - that's what they say on TV. Fewer of them have heard of what they are in general terms. It is quite possible that a few have read these agreements in full, but over the years they have already forgotten them. And it is likely that only you know them thoroughly. What am I doing? Oh yes - try to put yourself in the shoes of one of that majority. And here there are two options - Russia changes Savchenko to ours, which allows our liberal speakers from the TV screen to announce that Russia is still a party to the conflict, and Erofeev and Aleksandrov are not vacationers at all, but regular servicemen who were on assignment in Ukraine and were exchanged. " in accordance with the Minsk agreements ", which sows some confusion in our heads.
Option two - no exchange. This also gives the "right" to accuse Russia of disrupting the Minsk agreements - after all, everyone has heard (although no one has read) about the exchange of prisoners, they showed it on TV.
Which of the worst-case scenarios is one where doubt begins to ripen in the head, or one where there is a right to send everyone to hell and we are not a party to the conflict?

[would]

Take a look around, watch TV, go to the Internet. All of the above, about the fact that Russia is a party to the conflict, about the fact that there are by no means 2 cadre military personnel and so on. etc. already said a very, very, very long time ago. In this regard, the exchange will not change anything, but it will show that Russia is not abandoning its own. Especially if she herself sent. And if there is no exchange, then everything will be the same, Russia is a party to the conflict, they are regular military personnel, only they will be in prison. And the same existing military will have questions ...

[Tujh]

In the event of an exchange, both the military and non-military will have questions - why the criminal went unpunished. Why is the murderer of our fellow citizens greeted with honors and sing praises to her. The second - the followers of this frostbitten will have a feeling of impunity. Doesn’t resemble anything? And I recall - after the first Chechen company there was already an exchange of prisoners. Only this resulted in the fact that the militants felt that they would get away with everything and what the consequences were for us. Therefore, I am against the exchange and for more severe punishment, maybe even cruel.
And those who plan against our guys in the dungeons will think after that - is it worth playing with fire.

[would]

why the criminal went unpunished. Why is the murderer of our fellow citizens greeted with honors and sing praises to her.

Because the criminal is nobody, and our guys are sitting there who are very much alive. But it will not work out, so first the military is sent, and after "we did not send you there, figure it out as you want." If it is so, then the military will think more than once or twice about his attitude to power. All the same, you can only be faithful to someone who is loyal to you, and if you are stupidly sold, then completely logical thoughts creep into your head.

- after the first Chechen company

Only here we have not Chechnya of those times, but the current Ukraine, which is forced to stay within certain frameworks of legality.

Therefore, I am against the exchange and for more severe punishment, maybe even cruel.

It should be read like this "I am against the release of our children and for a more severe punishment, maybe even harsh for them." Taking into account the course of development of the situation, they will sit as long as Savchenko. Power will change very unlikely, the current regime will remain in power for a very, very long time. Personally, I have not yet observed other exchange options.

[Tujh]

Quote: rait

Only here we have not Chechnya of those times, but the current Ukraine, which is forced to stay within certain frameworks of legality

Let me ask: Ukraine and the law are compatible concepts? Indeed, in Chechnya at that time some kind of law also existed. Did you consider it law?

Quote: rait

It should be read like this "I am against the release of our guys and for a more severe punishment, maybe even harsh for them." Taking into account the course of development of the situation, they will sit as long as Savchenko. The power will change well, very unlikely, the current regime will remain in power for a very, very long time.

No need to juggle. Given the development of the situation, the guys can come out much earlier than Savchenko. And it’s not necessary to steal them. After all, prison guards can also be pressed, so that the public does not know about it, otherwise why do we need special services.

Quote: rait

Because no one is a criminal

Well, it must be the same: the criminal is nobody. Is it in honor of "nobody" that half of Kiev is hung with banners? This "nobody" the State Department in an embrace with the EU is calling for release? Is it our "non-persistent and creative community" groaning for "nobody"?

[would]

Let me ask: Ukraine and the law are compatible concepts? Indeed, in Chechnya at that time some kind of law also existed. Did you consider it law?

They are quite compatible, as I have already said, they are building an image as a legitimate state and they cannot afford what was done in Chechnya in such quantities. That is why we are witnessing such an attack on the most radical nationalists, spoiling the image. That has already been proven in principle, especially given the fact that Ukraine will not decide anything special. She has her own owners and they certainly will not allow problems, it is unprofitable from the image point of view. As I said, Chechnya of those times and today's Ukraine are two different entities. So as you said, "don't juggle."

After all, prison guards can also be pressed, so that the public does not know about it, otherwise why do we need special services.

That is, put pressure on the SBU. After all, they contain them. And then somehow bring them out ... You yourself will guess why this was not done during the capture? By the way, it was not the SBU officers who captivated them, there were more accommodating army guys.

It is in honor of "nobody" that half of Kiev is hung with banners? This "nobody" the State Department in an embrace with the EU is calling for release? Is it our "non-persistent and creative community" groaning for "nobody"?

Yes exactly. None of the posters is dedicated to Savchenko as a certain person; in fact, no one knows Savchenko as a person. They are uninteresting and unnecessary to them. The posters were by no means dedicated to Savchenko, but primarily to the fact that she was under investigation in Russia. To be precise, it’s not so much Savchenko, but hostility with Russia, on the posters and in the media field. The State Department calls for the release of Savchenko only because she is a political tool, whether she will survive or die after her release is not at all interested in him. Release her and what will remain? She is no longer a victim of the bloody regime of the aggressor, not a martyr, not a political tool. She is unnecessary to anyone, especially considering what she has said in interviews and in court. She is already fit to record Putin's agents. In general, all this reminded me of Dzhokhar Dudayev Street in Lviv. Did those who called the street who Dzhokhar Dudaev was and what he did? No, of course, they didn’t give a damn about the high bell tower. But against Russia, this is the only thing they knew and why the street became so called.

[Tujh]

Quote: rait

That is, put pressure on the SBU. After all, they contain them. And then somehow bring them out ... You yourself will guess why this was not done during the capture? By the way, it was not the SBU officers who captivated them, there were more accommodating army guys.

In your opinion, people with a lower intelligence serve in the SBU than in the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is not known which mobilization is accountable? Or even more stubborn than PSNiks? Do you think they don’t understand where everything is going and how it will end? You think they don’t want to lay straws for themselves - just in case?

Quote: rait

None of the posters are dedicated to Savchenko as a certain person; in fact, no one knows Savchenko as a person

Yes, I completely agree with this, and did not even think that as a person-deputy she was interesting to them. They need this body to be in the "GBist dungeons" - this is the only way to elevate her to the rank of a saint. Just do not forget that for us it is also important as a symbol - a crime is inevitably followed by punishment. And that will not be otherwise. By the way, that is why I am sure that nothing will happen to the guys, and, what is important, there will be no new ones.

Quote: rait

It’s completely compatible, as I said, they are building an image as a legitimate state and cannot do that in Chechnya in such quantities.

Naturally, as they cannot do in Chechnya, this will finally split society. The methods chosen for this are different; the main thing is that the goal is the same. Speaking of the attack on the most zealous Natsik - pawns on a chessboard are worth something, but they are just pawns.
PS I don’t know who, but thanks for the minus.

[would]

Do you think they don’t understand where everything is going and how it will end? You think they don’t want to lay straws for themselves - just in case?

That is, they were unsuitable. I will explain: If they could put pressure, they would have already put pressure, but our guys continue to sit. That is, the pressure did not work.

By the way, that’s why I’m sure that nothing will happen to the guys, and, importantly, there will be no new ones.

Well, if a prison sentence in a foreign land at twenty years old is considered "nothing will happen" ... And new ones will easily be. The fact that they were captured was not a crime, but a puncture of the captured themselves. There will be punctures, it will be absolutely correct (for yourself, of course) to grab and enjoy it.

PS I don’t know who, but thanks for the minus.

If sho, then they are not mine.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Tujh

Ukraine, or rather, the United States behind it, gives the right to full-scale military operations against Russia

And is the United States a party to the conflict, what kind of "right to full-scale hostilities" are we talking about? What are you confused!

[Tujh]

Of course, the United States does not position itself as a party to the conflict, nor does Russia, although both are. It's just that Ukraine can start fighting, and the United States will already "reasonably" supply lethal weapons. Moreover, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are already forming strike groups on the line of contact.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Tujh

It's just that Ukraine can start fighting, and the United States will already "reasonably" supply lethal weapons.

And ours do not deliver to the DNI and LC or do not repair equipment? Well pretend ...., is not even funny. We then know better in the Rostov region.

[Tujh]

I completely agree that in Rostov it is more visible than in St. Petersburg or in Kamchatka - there it is all at the level of rumors and speculation. After all, the Americans didn’t just get off the carrots on the Maidan - they were NATO-style weapons at the Donetsk airport, and they did not advertise this either. Until. But what happens if they start official deliveries? Agree, is there a difference between official and unofficial deliveries?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Tujh

I completely agree that in Rostov it is more visible than in St. Petersburg or in Kamchatka -

We know a lot here, write now - such a howl will rise! I just hinted, the cons have already gone. Let them only believe what is being broadcast from the zombie creator ...

[Egoza]

Quote: rait

At best, Nadia will go to the Rada, become another worthless button-keeper who feeds from the budget of Ukraine and periodically breaks from the rostrum.

No, no. Nadya will travel around the country, at rallies, in SCHOOLS, she will tell how she "twisted Russia into a ram's horn"

[would]

Do not tell me, she will not go anywhere. Too much superfluous about the Ukrainian authorities will tell what she is still practicing, no matter how she is pulled away.

[Vadim Zhivov]

It will still be how it will be ... Look at what little goofs from the Ukrainians are pouring on Russia all over the world ... And this is the most suitable for the role, say, "mouthpiece of truth" ...

[would]

If so, then I will be glad at all. Oh, how much Savchenko talks about the current Ukrainian regime, oh says. I’ve already spoken a lot. If so, then URGENTLY change with the carpet to Ukraine . Her own there easily put for it. But, alas, we certainly do not know anything about the subsequent actions of Hope.

[Vadim Zhivov]

You need 1000 +++. And not only in Hohland and in all shabby countries ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: rait

their scouts, and these "special forces" are out of the question.

If at one time they had shown adherence to principles and had not exchanged the "damned spy" Powers for Abel, they would have been bent on the sly in their own prison ... And we would never have known that we have such a wonderful scout - Rudolf Abel. The principle of exchange is applied all over the world, but it is not always advertised. And there is more benefit from this than from adherence to principles built on emotions. Again - "we do not abandon our own!"

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but what you write from relatives to another is life at all costs

So you just suggested: "it is better to carry out a full-scale rescue operation"

[Bayonet]

Quote: rait

. Especially if you change to a character who is nobody.

Once Bukovsky was replaced by Corvalan! Remember the Soviet ditty - “Traded a bully for Luis Corvalan”

[Oleg14774]

Quote: rait

And the guys are alive right now and they can and should be saved.

Why chew snot, honestly. Here such a policy is implicated that we have nothing to do there;

[avg-mgn]

Interesting! Savchenko will be condemned as war criminal, Minsk-2 talks about the exchange of prisoners of war, what are they calling on our citizens to consider a priori war criminals ?! Hello, is everything exactly in the convolutions of Mr. Fedotov.

[would]

When the verdict is announced, you can try to find the appropriation of the status of a war criminal there. The charges were absolutely civilian.

What are they calling us to consider our citizens a priori to be considered war criminals ?!

Or maybe not count and leave them in the dungeons? They will obviously be "happy" about this news.

[Million]

Unfortunately, I won’t be surprised if they will exchange Savchenko, read, let them go ..

[avg-mgn]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, the sooner we get rid of Savchinko, find a suitable option for an exchange, the less "shit" will smell.

It will smell for a long time and strongly regardless of get rid-change-will sit.

[raid14]

Since such "humane" proposals have been sent from the HRC, the agreement on the exchange has already been decided behind the scenes. For the layman, it was necessary to hold a public auto-da-fe of the triumph of justice, and then, according to the circumstances, based on political gain, so that "the sheep are safe and the wolves are fed."

[ochakow703]

Well, that has begun. Only before "exchanging" it needs to be treated, to undergo a rehabilitation course, dress, put on shoes, give money, show on TV every day - we are not what monsters. Another spit in the face of the Russian people. Or maybe it's better to exchange them (our guys) for the entire HRC under the president? There is definitely no sense from them. So, the pants are sitting out, but the taxpayers' money gobble up.
In this news, the most petty thing is that the verdict has not yet been announced, and the nadyuha is already on horseback. Little does she go to court, now she's just euphoria will begin. So "dear Banderlog", cut, beat, rape, you won't get anything for this, Russia is very merciful to its "brothers and sisters"
R.S. Well, just some kind of cry from the soul. Only today I wrote about guns and vasilieva, and here you are!

[aristarh]

You can't leave your own! treat and change the polonium-210 seagull.

[sPS]

this is the logic ..

[Sidel45]

“I wonder how Mr. Fedotov will explain the“ clear legal basis ”to the relatives of the Russian journalists Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin who died at the hands of the Nazis from Aidar? hundreds of detained residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, whom Kiev is in no hurry to exchange, although the need for such an exchange is one of the paramount points for the Ukrainian authorities ...

And why did the HRC remember the Russian citizens Erofeev and Aleksandrov only against the background of the sentence to Mrs. Savchenko? .. "
But why be surprised? You just need to look at the composition of the HRC and questions immediately disappear - all the same liberals in their majority.

[Gardamir]

vasilieva effect. they were punished for window dressing, but sitting is not necessary.
and yet we are a small and insignificant country if we cannot free our citizens.

[Hooks]

Well, and again the Minsk agreements !? Each vrazhina refers to them to bite more painfully. And "progressive" mankind immediately becomes clear - Moscow is incapable of negotiation, Moscow does not control the situation and off we go.

[evil partisan]

I offer to exchange Fedotov himself . For someone more useful ..

[KOH]

And it’s better to send the whole match to the ruin ...

[ALEA IACTA EST]

On the one hand, our citizens must be rescued, but on the other hand, "the thief must be in prison" ...

[There are a lot of us]

It’s not enough with Khodorkovsky to step on the rake, so they also want to ...

[eugraphus]

Why did Savchenko behave like this in court? At first interrogations, she was less provocative. Obviously, she hopes she will be helped out. It dawns on her that she is the center of attention and the bolder she will behave, the more they will talk about her. It is important to be on top of public attention. Maybe there is still a registered trademark in front, like a launcher.
Judging by the behavior at the first interrogations and subsequent tricks, perhaps with a decline in attention, she will fall not just into depression, but maybe even into hysteria. The performance to the public will end and heavy weekdays will begin. It is very important how she will be met in the zone. If she finds kindred spirits there, then many more will spoil the blood of everyone.

[obstructia]

Have pity on the fool. Send her to the Ruin - she will be 100% unlucky. Well, like a sashko - he will shoot himself in the head three times by accident, with whom it does not happen. Naturally, they will blame the "bloody regime" for this. So it's better for her to serve a quarter of a century and not remind about herself))

[AlexYa]

Who took this plant in the HRC? Does it not understand that this will set a precedent? The Russians will then be arrested in batches and exchanged already for political demands. In addition, she is a war criminal. And the illegally detained Russians need to be released in a different way - by ultimatums and targeted attacks on punishers violating the truce.

[askort154]

The situation is ambiguous. The deed of Savchenko and Aleksandrov with Efremov are not equivalent.
Savchenko, a participant in the deaths of two people (court proved). In my opinion, do not change, should
close relatives of the dead journalists should be decided. We decide by emotions, and they are "with the heart".

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: askort154

We decide by emotions, and they are "with the heart".

and you need to make a decision with your brains

[askort154]

Vasilenko Vladimir .... and you need to make a decision with your brains.

A brain without a heart is the KP matrix.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

perhaps that is why far from everyone is able to occupy leading posts, pity will not allow, and sometimes you need to step over it, you suffer after all your life but step over

[UpgradeComplete]

if you change, then beat the teeth and beat off the kidneys. She must still have a good impression of the Federal Penitentiary Service of the Russian Federation)

[AdekvatNICK]

Savchenko’s transfer to Ukraine will finish the rating of Vladimir Vladimirovich.

[Gardamir]

will finish the rating of Vladimir Vladimirovich.

"do not worry" now suddenly oil, kaak will jump to 200 per barrel and everyone will forget about their patriotism. And his rating has already slipped below 80, but we "must" vote for the GDP and EDRO, otherwise we will not raise the retirement age.

[udincev]

And why did the HRC recollect Russian citizens Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov only against the background of the verdict to Ms. Savchenko? ..

And what side is he here Minsk-2 vparivaet?
I remembered, however, about Russian citizens ...

[BOB044]

It’s interesting how Mr. Fedotov will explain the “clear legal basis” to the relatives of the Russian journalists Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin, who died at the hands of Nazis from Aydar.

And he will not have to explain to the relatives of the victims this exchange. After the exchange, she will take part in the killings of both Russians in Ukraine and Russian citizens. Her legs must be torn into two halves and thrown into a garbage pit.

[Mark68]

Complete nonsense. A normal person can’t even have such thoughts ... If they exchange them, then the whole court is a farce. Yes, I would be ashamed to exchange good people for such a schizophrenic ukrofascist woman. I can’t even imagine such a thing.

[Ros 56]

Yes, everything is written on his face, who he is and what he is for. By definition, there are no prisoners of war in Russia and cannot be. Russia is not a party to the conflict, but this stub, apparently on the advice of the stripes, wants to make us a participant in the hostilities. These need to be driven out of the HRC by a filthy broom.

[roskot]

A thief should sit in jail. Killer Savchenko should be in prison. And no humane considerations should prevail over what she did. And that would not be boring in the neighboring cells of her human rights defenders.

[Lelek]

(And then it will be possible to raise the question of its exchange ...)

Lord, how many "desires" we have to destroy our country. Are they specially grown in an incubator?
A thief, a gangster, an enemy and the like should go to jail, and there is no excuse for Savchenko’s bailing, she was taken in Russia, which does not conduct military operations with the former country of Ukraine (fortunately for her), and should serve her 25-year-old term. Such nits should have no friends, no family, no children.

[atamankko]

Another spit is being prepared for the opinion of Russian citizens.

[mikh-korsakov]

Savchenko contributed to the killing of Russian citizens. Our Ukrainian loving people want to draw the legal basis of her release to the Minsk agreements. BUT. Since Russia was not and is not at war with Ukraine, it cannot be considered a prisoner of war, but is an ordinary criminal who killed Russian journalists. These logical calculations are clear even to a student. If Mr. Fedotov does not understand this, then one of the two things — or he, who considers himself a lawyer, is fit for the position of court secretary, who turns on and off videos at the request of a judge, but if he says such things consciously, then he’s just the enemy of those people. who care about the fate of our journalists who died at the hands of this lady. which, moreover, allows itself to make faces and be rude to the court and Russia (and what is not clear, they allow it in court). If Putin bends, this will serve as an additional reason for me not to vote for him in the elections (unless of course I live).

[Romanenko]

What kind of exchange? How's your uncle? Who are you going to change with? Did you understand what you said?

[Grim Reaper]

Savchenko for Russia is a bone in the throat. Rafting it under any pretext to Ukraine. After a couple of months, they will forget about her. And remaining in the Russian Federation - a screech to the whole world will be constant, until the end of the term.

[Rostislav]

Interesting, however, is Vladimir Vladimirovich's advisor! He will advise a lot, from the fact that it is not good for us, but only "Russia's partners" are in the hands of. It is necessary to drive them all

No need to drive. Remember, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

[kill the fascist]

I always believed and said more than once that the terrible girl Savchenko would be convicted, and then exchanged.

[hohkn]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

this toad must sit, all 23 years old, from bell to bell !!!!!!

I fully support! No exchanges. So that these creatures do not think that they are in the promised land in Russia. Type, condemned - and home. No, let them know: the court said a quarter — exactly after a quarter they will leave. But what kind of health is their problem.

Quote: chikenous59

And our boys too?

And then let the diplomats work. They are paid money for this. You cannot create use cases. Our guys did not kill anyone, unlike this creature. They sit on far-fetched charges, without evidence.
So, h.r.e. to her throughout the m.o.r.de., and not an exchange!

[AlNikolaich]

Pancake! Something I did not understand, this character expresses his personal thoughts, or voices the decisions of the HRC? If the first, then it would be better for him to shut up ...
If the latter, then why does the President need such a Human Rights Council? And yet, it’s strange to hear the names of odious characters on this board ... Isn't it time for them ... that ... to the neck! In their place I can offer myself!

[Haloperidol]

First, you need to close the border with Ukraine, otherwise the detention of Russian citizens, on far-fetched accusations, the SBU of Ukraine will continue. At the same time, expel from Russia all the Bandera people who have come in large numbers and are homegrown. I would like to remind you that a criminal article with the title `` Household separatism '' has appeared in Ukraine. A tooth for a tooth, as they say. I do not need Bandera in Russia.

[EvgNik]

In addition, terrorists penetrate the border. Already neutralized a few.

[rotmistr60]

Mikhail Fedotov

Repeatedly heard him on political talk shows. Another that vrazhin. It is surprising that such overt enemies of Russia dug in and in the HRC under the president. They greet all filth to the detriment of themselves, but the main thing is to show the West that everything is normal with democracy. Comes around later.

[koshmarik]

Do not flatter yourself. More recently, the West began to promote the dubious anti-Russian case of Litvin (before that there were Khodorkovsky, Magnitsky, well, there are smaller figures), and then Savchenko turned up. Litvin was immediately forgotten and the entire Russophobic West, led by Obama, reoriented to the innocently condemned poor Hope. If Savchenko hadn’t, they would have found someone else, because the point is not in a specific person, but in the anti-Russian position of the West.

[surrozh]

Fedotov twitches out of habit.
Russia is not participating in the civil war in Ukraine.
Russia is not a party to the conflict in Minsk.
Savchenko is not a prisoner of war (see above). She was even on vacation at this time.
Savchenko is tried for war crimes - the killing of civilians, war crimes are unlimited.
And she should sit, this is a precedent for other banderlogs, now they know that it’s quite easy to get into jail, even in Ukraine when the regime changes. Bastrykin is also not - to declare Senya a Chechen rebel - will also sit until clarification!

[Hlavaty]

Mikhail Fedotov ... head of the Human Rights Council under the President of the Russian Federation

Y-yes ... Someone is fighting for the victory of Russia, but under the President of the Russian Federation such "heads" roam and merge Russia. Well, how can you be surprised at what is happening in Donbass?

[Sevurallag]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Is it time for them ... that ... in the neck! In their place I can offer myself!

May I come with you !?

[EvgNik]

I don’t understand the guys. I don’t understand everything. Well, opinions were divided, someone to exchange, someone to plant. But the muzzles, then why beat each other because of some sort of proxy. I mean the cons. It is not worth it.

[RUS33]

Quote: Pereira

Also illiterate, besides. Savchenko, at the time of her arrest, was not a member of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but was a member of the illegal armed formation "Aydar" and therefore did not initially have the status of a prisoner of war - hence the Minsk agreements do not concern her.

There is no difference — he served in the army or was an idar. The fact is that she first killed the Russians, and secondly they have no war, and thirdly, the guys were journalists.

[gravizapa]

But exchange ...

[razved]

And why did the HRC recollect Russian citizens Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov only against the background of the verdict to Ms. Savchenko? ..

Because the HRO is the enemy!