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Putin cuts a window to China

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Rare occupation can unite in a single impulse liberals-Westerners and turbo-patriots. However, they both get some indecent pleasure in publicly discussing the “failures” of the Russian president’s foreign policy. Recently, the plot “China has thrown Putin!” Has become a real hit of this trend of pseudo-analytical folklore. Oh, lo! And we warned!




Both liberal and pseudo-patriotic media and authors savor a decrease in trade with China, as well as the apparent absence of serious financial injections from Chinese banks into the Russian economy. From this a solemn conclusion is made that Putin’s turn to the East has failed. This statement makes their target audience just a storm of delight, but it does not correlate with reality.

There are three popular theories that explain why the Russian economy has not yet been flooded with cheap Chinese loans.

Theory One: “Beijing is a servant of Washington”

According to this theory, which is equally loved by Russian Westerners and turbopriots, China actually joined the sanctions against Moscow, and therefore the Chinese banks were given an implicit order not to lend to Russian companies, not to develop Russian areas of business and in general to make Washington happy .

The theory fits perfectly into the schizophrenic world of people who deify Washington in the same way that Ukrainians deify Putin. The problem of the theory is that for China, joining sanctions against Russia or, for example, Iran would be equivalent to killing your own geopolitical ambitions.

China has three trumps in foreign policy: money, money, and once again money. If potential or existing partners of the PRC in Africa, Asia and Latin America come to the conclusion that Washington can force China to turn off the crane with the yuan, then the next day Beijing’s political influence in the world will turn into dust. Beijing cannot afford it, and this is well known to all since the days when Beijing continued to buy oil from Iran, which was under UN sanctions, despite the most severe irritation of Washington and Brussels. Actually, the very fact that Iran was able to save the economy, despite the sanctions, is the result of the pragmatic obstinacy of the PRC. The theory of "joining the sanctions" is nonsense and nonsense.

Theory Two: “Beijing does not respect Moscow”

Turbopatriots adore this theory, many of whom for some reason are sure that only behavior in the style of a drunken gopnik can arouse respect among the CCP's mandarins. It is especially funny to read passages in the style of “If Putin Moved Tanks to Kiev, they would respect him and give him money, and so Beijing wrote him off as a weakling and following him. ”

Of course, projecting your own complexes and poor ideas about international politics onto the leadership of the PRC is a very pleasant exercise, but it has no relation to reality. China persistently and consistently, overcoming the enormous resistance of the United States, is building a system of economic interaction and integration with the European Union.

The main foreign policy project of the People's Republic of China at the moment is the “New Silk Road Economic Belt”, which begins in China and ends in Europe! This is a project for communication between China and Europe, and all PRC’s foreign policy activities are set up to promote it, while the US is trying to create the conditions for China’s economic and logistical isolation from the EU. Russia, which cannot be a reliable and protected from US instability bridge between China and the EU, instantly loses for Beijing the lion's share of strategic importance. Well, Kiev would have captured Russian troops in 2014, and then what? Would get a cold war with the EU and a trade embargo in exchange for the dubious joy of feeding at their own expense several tens of millions of dreamers about the European Union and racers in lace panties.

Someone like this exchange may seem like a powerful strategic move, only after that you could only talk about cooperation with China on a kneeling basis, since the opportunity to play a key role in the implementation of the Chinese project “New Silk Road” would be lost forever.

The third theory: "Beijing is waiting for us to do at least something with its economy"

This is a very popular explanation both among liberals and among turbopriots of all stripes and spills. To be honest, it is difficult to understand how in the mind of Karaganov, the intensification of Chinese financing is linked to a change in Russian economic policy. It is clear that many in the Russian elite strongly want to see right now in Russia “structural reforms” in the style of Zhu Rongji, which made millions of Chinese from the public sector unemployed, or pumping the economy with Wen Jiabao-style money, but where is China?

China actively finances projects in very different economies, ranging from the primitive, almost “tribal” economies of Africa to the relatively developed capitalist economies of South America and Southeast Asia. China is attractive to all its partners, which does not force them to carry out economic reforms (whether liberal or anti-liberal), which makes it stand out from the IMF. Chinese conditions: to work with Chinese suppliers and periodically to show a piece to Washington - Russia already now fulfills a bang. Reform is not the case.

And what's the matter?

But the fact is that China is a country with a whole layer of influential officials and businessmen, who can be called “Chinese Grefs”. Due to the ideological downtroddenness of patriotic journalism, which wants to see only the executions and successes of the Communist Party in China, it is customary to ignore the most important fact of Chinese reality - during the years of cooperation with the West and building an export-oriented model of development in the PRC, a whole class of officials and businessmen emerged do not see and do not want to see themselves outside the Western context and for which Comrade X’s nationalistic and independent policies are as allergenic as the return of Crimea is an allergen for p Russian professors of the HSE. In China, it is not in vain that there is a struggle with “naked officials” —that is, officials who brought their children and spouses to the West (and this phenomenon has long ago assumed the scale of the epidemic).

A significant part of the “capital flight” from the PRC, due to which Chinese foreign exchange reserves are declining, is the result of bringing “black” or “gray” money of Chinese officials to the West, who have long transported children to Canada or Australia, put down roots there, business, received citizenship. And what to expect from the generation of officials, who massively looked at the West as a model, despite the fact that many of the current middle and even senior managers were trained in the West? The scheme “stole, taken out, fled to the USA” became so widespread that the return (sometimes in handcuffs) of former Chinese officials to their homeland systematically falls into the list of priority topics of negotiations between Chinese and American leaders. In China, a special agency was set up to hunt for escaped officials, but its pinnacle has not yet instilled fear in the Chinese state apparatus.

Chinese high-ranking "migrants" work in the same areas as their Russian counterparts: finance, economics, state property management, and so on. Every potential “migrant” carefully takes care that there are no factors in his personal file that can prevent his happy old age on the beaches of Florida: he doesn’t offend Tibetans, Muslims respect Uygurs, try to keep quiet about Taiwan, or think about gays - or nothing.

It is logical that the top-down task of “arranging financing” for Russian state-owned companies that go under sanctions or may fall under sanctions is terrifying and panic for the average “Chinese Gref”. Further, this horror develops into a creative search for the reasons why this cannot be done. The task is greatly facilitated by the fact that the same “micro-Gref” comes to the Chinese with the Russian side, only the Russian spill. They will talk about the favorite clubs of the English Premier League; about the success of children who study in the same American universities; discuss the price of US real estate; and then together write reports that joint projects are impossible or risky, or it is better to postpone them indefinitely.

In fact, it turns out that the top leadership of Russia and the PRC are almost trying to force Westerners of the national elites to understand that the orientation to the West has passed and the time has come to work together. It is logical that such attempts will meet both resistance and even direct sabotage.

The Russian and Chinese control systems have one thing in common - both systems work on a “kickboard”, that is, progress is achieved solely due to the attention of the high authorities to a specific problem and the use of the “carrot and stick” method, in which the gingerbread hardened and was beaten performers on the head. This is approximately what we are witnessing at the current stage of development of Russian-Chinese interaction.

The real shock in the financial environment of Russia has been caused by the recent announcement that Gazprom received a loan for 2 from the Bank of China for a billion euros for 5 years. After all, it was assumed that not a single Chinese bank would take such a risk. According to Gazprom itself, “this is the largest transaction in terms of funding attracted directly from one credit institution and the first bilateral loan agreement with a Chinese bank.”

4 March, there was information that the Chinese Sinopec will take part in the construction of a gas chemical complex in Usolye-Sibirskoye. The gas chemical complex in Usolye-Sibirskoye is the flagship project of Sibur, for which funds from the National Welfare Fund are allocated.

2 in March, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation reported that the Russian Central Bank and the People’s Bank of China conducted several transactions with Russian and Chinese counterparties using the yuan-ruble currency swap mechanism, which, translated into Russian, means that the central banks of the two countries moved from theory to (swap agreement) It was signed in 2014 year) to the practice, which may urgently be needed in conditions of increased risks for the stability of the dollar system.

And so we all. The right strategic decisions are stuck in the difficulties of practical implementation, however, the joint efforts of both sides make it possible to gradually overcome them as the “Gref syndrome”, which is present in the Russian Federation and in the PRC; and the usual confusion for any complex undertaking, combined with the traditional mess in the heads and project documents.

11 in March, Putin announced his plans to visit China this summer, and there is a reasonable hope that this visit will give another and very necessary impetus to the development of Russian-Chinese cooperation.

The turn to the East, announced by Putin, is proceeding slowly, with difficulty and difficulty, but it is already clear that its success is inevitable as the sunrise of the sun tomorrow. With due diligence, we all will succeed. The main thing is to defeat the image of the West as “the only and indispensable” that has settled in the heads of some officials and managers.
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  1. smith7
    smith7 23 March 2016 05: 56
    +16
    Not the worst analyst of the situation on the topic. It is especially "captivating" that everything is "slowly, with creak and difficulty." We must agree, since this often happens. I am even ready to be a little happy, because if everything went smoothly, then there are fears of an imminent failure. Our economy is going through hard times, but you should not despair! After all, all good things are born only in torment!
    1. nils
      nils 23 March 2016 05: 59
      0
      Quote: smith7
      all good is born in agony!


      Putin cuts a window to China!
      The law on TOPs, quietly adopted at the end of 2014, is an ax.
      Where will the chips go? Big and Tarabarov already chopped off.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 March 2016 06: 10
        +8
        Quote: nils
        The law on TOPs, quietly adopted at the end of 2014, is an ax.

        Indeed, Putin is a stupid person, signed not to understand that this is a clear betrayal.
        Quote: nils
        Where will the chips go? Big and Tarabarov already chopped off.

        Slivers flew to the Crimea lol Did you like it?
        1. nils
          nils 23 March 2016 06: 21
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Did you like it?


          The composition of the Trans-Baikal District to Putin:
          36 army (divisional composition), 23 air army, 4 missile army, 57 army corps (division composition), + a set of district (front) units.
          Now in the territory of the disbanded district there are:
          36 army of the 3's brigade squad + army set of parts. The rest is disbanded!
          I don’t want to come in!
          Putin is not a stupid person.
          The window is apparently already cut through.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 23 March 2016 06: 24
            +8
            Quote: nils
            The composition of the Trans-Baikal District to Putin:
            36 army (divisional composition), 23 air army, 4 missile army, 57 army corps (division composition), + a set of district (front) units.

            Is this 1998 year? Are these fully-equipped parts?
            1. Vitwin
              Vitwin 23 March 2016 06: 38
              +7
              Quote: ImPerts
              Is this 1998 year? Are these fully-equipped parts?

              Strategists from Chita were definitely removed, the region was strengthened by scrap and left for the same China, the airfield in Domna breathes little
              From past greatness, only the task of ZabWo headquarters in the center of Chitago remains
              Gazprom received a loan of 2 billion euros from Bank of China for 5 years. fellow

              This teahouse is not us, but it has funded itself - pursuing an energy interest, so the Zaputin blogger is very skilful at juggling the facts, you can’t refuse a shame, it’s not a dumb shout of a girl Julia - Putin is a genius))
              Usolye-Sibirsky is the flagship project of Sibur
              belay
              Chubais did not help, maybe GDP can handle lol
              1. derik1970
                derik1970 23 March 2016 09: 11
                +4
                good You're right. But it’s hard to find adequate people both among ordinary citizens and in the government (and it’s not our government). sad
              2. Cat man null
                23 March 2016 13: 59
                +2
                Quote: Vitwin
                Strategists from Chita were definitely removed

                - where did they take it? laughing How long does it take for the "strategist" to fly from the place where he was "removed" to Chita? And by the way - why should he fly to Chita?
                - You yourself are a strategist (in a sense of the word, without quotes, noticed?)?

                Quote: Vitwin
                This teahouse is not us, but it has funded itself - pursuing an energy interest

                - Europe also has an "energy interest" .. Europe ended up on the hook in the end, no?
                - "China" is still building an appropriate structure for this gas pipeline, so it is still "unknown who was lucky." Or do you think that Gazprom will pull the pipe to each of theirs? Nope .. it won't ..

                Quote: Vitwin
                Zaputinsky blogger is very skilful at juggling facts; smart shame cannot be denied

                - smart - yes
                - distort the facts - prove the distortion .. and before that, follow the link and read what else is there. Right here:

                http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com
                1. Vitwin
                  Vitwin 23 March 2016 14: 23
                  -1
                  - where were they removed? laughing How long does it take for the "strategist" to fly from the place where he was "removed" to Chita? And by the way - why should he fly to Chita?
                  - You yourself are a strategist (in a sense of the word, without quotes, noticed?)?

                  You are some kind of angry cat)) Strategists meant - Strategic Missile Forces, so the charge of your sarcasm past the cashier, shaggy friend))) (etta I avatar))))
                  Gazprom will pull a pipe to each of their fanzas

                  I agree right away - in Russia he then hammered a pipe to each "fanza" to pull a pipe to his mother ((((how can the Hans dream
                  distorting facts
                  if you please sir -
                  2 billion on the scale of such a project (I won’t remind you of an overall estimate))) the crumbs and PR is hot, but win-win for dummies who need energy, doesn’t it smell and win like the article and close — did they heed?
                  - Europe also has an "energy interest" .. Europe ended up on the hook in the end, no?
                  This scared Europe so much that they agreed to just jump off our gas, even Ukraine calmly wintered despite the aspirations of a certain circle of people to keep numbers on the site and waving a gas baton in the end turned into billions of losses - the article is proof.
                  Over here

                  I know this song for a few hundred years, it’s not interesting to me
                  1. Cat man null
                    23 March 2016 15: 26
                    +4
                    Quote: Vitwin
                    Strategists meant - Strategic Missile Forces, so the charge of your sarcasm past the cash register

                    - I understood who was meant. Therefore, he asked - and what, in fact, has changed. No more Strategic Missile Forces left in the Russian Federation? They are not enough to cause unacceptable damage (is the term known?) To anyone laughing ) of potential .. um .. partners?

                    Quote: Vitwin
                    Quote: Cat Man Bull
                    Gazprom will pull a pipe to each of their fanzas

                    I agree right away - in Russia he then hammered a pipe to each "fanza" to pull a pipe to his mother ((((how can the Hans dream

                    - can be turned out like that. And you can understand that "the battalion commander does not walk on foot. He takes with him an armored personnel carrier or a zampotekh" laughing
                    - not Gazprom's concern to pull the thread to every fanza. Therefore, this is the concern of the fanza administration (and it does not). In China - ... but don't care who cares about it there. The main thing is that they will also have something to do.
                    - as the unforgettable Matroskin said (also, mind you, the cat wink ) - joint work, for my benefit, unites lol

                    Quote: Vitwin
                    It scared Europe so much that they agreed to everything just to jump off our gas

                    - well, while they agree there - get off .. while they come up with - how to do it .. I probably won’t live request

                    Quote: Vitwin
                    Ukraine calmly wintered despite the aspirations of a certain circle of people to whom there are numbers on the site and waving a gas baton in the end turned into multibillion-dollar losses

                    - in Ukraine it’s fun now, and Europe is already threatening them with might and main ... so far, only with a finger what will happen next - we will take a look bully

                    Quote: Vitwin
                    I know this song for a few hundred years, it’s not interesting to me

                    - IMHO in vain, sometimes funny thoughts slip through sometimes yes

                    Yes, about Matroskin:

                    1. Vitwin
                      Vitwin 23 March 2016 15: 33
                      +3
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - IMHO in vain, sometimes funny thoughts slip through sometimes

                      2 billion in the scale of such a project (I will not remind the general estimate))) existing crumbs and public relations

                      You tactfully look weighty argument missed)))
                      I will take the trouble to translate, the benefit of arithmetic (feasible) - the total cost of 400 billion contemptible bucks - 2 billion - 0,5 Zero five Karl !!! percent fellow crying
                      - where were they removed? laughing How long does it take for the "strategist" to fly from the place where he was "removed" to Chita? And by the way - why should he fly to Chita?

                      Judging by this summation, all sorts of me are overcome that you clearly understood my message))
                      "Load oranges in barrels"))))
                      Brothers Karamazov.
                      1. Cat man null
                        23 March 2016 15: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Vitwin
                        You tactfully look weighty argument missed)))

                        - I set foot, my apologies

                        Quote: Vitwin
                        total cost of 400 billion contemptible bucks

                        - initially it was 1 trillion .. did I miss something?

                        Quote: Vitwin
                        2 billion - 0,5 Zero five Karl !!! percent

                        - yourself - Karl laughing
                        - less
                        - show me the place where at least a couple of lemons of those bucks are lying on the road - I will go there with a goose step .. this is, as it were, a hint wink
                        - no one said that this is the last loan. In general, the project, as I recall, provided for co-financing.

                        Voooot ...
                      2. Vitwin
                        Vitwin 23 March 2016 16: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        it was originally 1 trillion .. did I miss something?

                        Roman, struck by your nobility, such an argument fellow they gave me)))
                        Let's plunge into arithmetic again - 2 billion (still despised Baku))) - this is how many percent? From one trillion? In my stunted brain did not fit the figure - try it yourself))))
                        "The Countess, with her face changed, runs to the pond")))
                      3. Cat man null
                        23 March 2016 18: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Vitwin
                        2 billion (still despised Baku))) - this is how many percent? From one trillion?

                        I repeat what I have already said .. only in more detail:

                        - the project-wide figure itself is vanishingly small
                        - on the other hand - for a long time they were limited to conversations, but here - here fellow
                        - while you say: "Maa-aaalo !!!!", and suggest not paying attention to it
                        - on the other hand, the Ukrainian debt to the same Gazprom (3 billion) - was not sucked in his comments only by the lazy: "They will never give it back!", "The management of Gazprom (the government of the Russian Federation, Putin personally) are fuckers!", etc ..

                        The difference in approaches - do not notice?

                        - 2 lard gave - "Ma-a-aalo !!"
                        - 3 lard stuck - "A-a-aaaaa !!!"

                        Meanwhile, another thing is much more important:

                        Quote: http://vz.ru/news/2016/3/2/797405.html
                        The ruble-yuan swap mechanism is ready for activation after successful testing, the Bank of Russia press service said

                        - the volume of swaps is now determined in the amount of 150 billion yuan
                        - modestly considering it is more than 15 billion dollars

                        And this is good yes

                        Quote: Vitwin
                        "Countess with a changed face runs to the pond"

                        Movement is everything, purpose is nothing

                        laughing laughing laughing
                      4. Vitwin
                        Vitwin 24 March 2016 02: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        - the project-wide figure itself is vanishingly small

                        Slowly approaching the truth)
                        - on the other hand - for a long time they were limited to conversations, but here - here

                        You mean the article in the newspaper "People's Daily" - following the results of D.A. Medvedev to the Celestial Empire?
                        (probably discussed on the site? Question in which interpretation)))
                        In addition to it, look at this article in the same source - and catch the meaning hidden with Chinese elegance)
                        China and the Russian Federation do not need an alliance

                        swap volume determined now in the amount of 150 billion yuan
                        - modestly considering it is more than 15 billion dollars

                        Again, behind the terms is a bubbling void.
                        "Chapaev and emptiness" - Petka's dreams))))
                        And pay attention to the actions of China last year, how much they are consonant with the article link to which I gave you.

                        "The meeting continues to the RFP million kisses." )))
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 March 2016 06: 34
      +1
      Quote: nils
      I don’t want to come in!

      if they enter in small groups of 10 million people, then no ground army can cope ... but nuclear weapons are easy ... yes, they will have to sacrifice the population, but otherwise, they won’t stop. this is understood by both the Chinese and ours. therefore, it is unlikely to turn up ...
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 23 March 2016 07: 00
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        if they enter in small groups of 10 million people

        10 million people is not 10 million. Let's say ladybugs, they are noticeable, and as soon as it becomes noticeable that they are accumulating in the areas bordering us, the question immediately arises - why ??? Well, then, as you wrote
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        ... but nuclear weapons are easy ...

        And they will not have time to enter our territory.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 23 March 2016 11: 58
          +1
          And they will not have time to enter our territory.

          HA HA. Yes, they have already entered.
      2. PKK
        PKK 23 March 2016 08: 46
        +3
        China will not go against Russia, even having won, which is unlikely, it will be left face to face with America. Moreover, both China and Russia will weaken at the same time. So, America will crush and wash China off like a worm. China will survive only under strong Russia, which can destroy America.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 23 March 2016 12: 04
          +2
          China will not go against Russia, even having won, which is unlikely, it will be left face to face with America. Moreover, both China and Russia will weaken at the same time. So, America will crush and wash China off like a worm. China will survive only under strong Russia, which can destroy America.


          Man, why should he fight? While RUSSIA pays and gives its territories. China will be the allies of RUSSIA.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 12: 34
            +5
            Quote: Douglas
            While RUSSIA pays and gives its territories. China will be the allies of RUSSIA.

            I agree, only an ally in the inflamed imagination of our politicians.
            But in reality, the Russian Federation for China is just a gratuitous raw materials appendage.
            For example, where did the Irkutsk taiga go?
            To whom was the Pacific Fleet sold for "needles"?
            To whom send email. energy at prices lower than the domestic market?
            To whom do they give land to the Far East for rent for 49 years?
            Where did the teapots find a huge market for their goods?
            Does our "genius" cut through the FAQ there? Where does it cut through? For what purpose does he chop? request
            1. Cat man null
              23 March 2016 13: 44
              0
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              To whom was the Pacific Fleet sold for "needles"?

              - years? What exactly did you sell?

              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              To whom send email. energy at prices lower than the domestic market?

              - what do you understand by the "prices of internal extraction"? The price for enterprises, or the price for you, or the selling price from the power plant that generates this electricity?
              - if there is data about the "price for China" - share, plz, I just can't find it sad

              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              To whom do they give land to the Far East for rent for 49 years?

              - give? As far as I remember, there was something like an Agreement of Intent signed, just .. or am I so behind the times that right now they are already "giving away"?

              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Does our "genius" cut through the FAQ there? Where does it cut through? For what purpose does he chop?

              - read the article, there are answers to your questions ..
              - that everything except you is not a genius, this is a priori understandable laughing
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 17: 10
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - if there is data about the "price for China" - share, plz, I just can't find it

                http://forum.amur.info/city/45136/?page=last
                http://www.eprussia.ru/epr/161/12361.htm
                And the rest, Samuel Yakovlevich Yandex will help you!
                "And I won't tell you anything else, citizen Gadyukin!" (from) laughing
                1. Cat man null
                  23 March 2016 22: 53
                  0
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  And the rest, Samuel Yakovlevich Yandex will help you!

                  That is, for bazaar words - do not answer .. right, but why? Grunted - and into the bushes laughing

                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  For example, where did the Irkutsk taiga go?

                  The Irkutsk taiga (as of September 23.09.2015, 13000) had a place to be and contained about XNUMX bears alone .. in addition to other animals.

                  Got it? So we write ...

                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  To whom send email. energy at prices lower than the domestic market?

                  Above, dear, above .. do not confuse the price in your hut with the wholesale price at which electricity is purchased from the power plant. In a house, electricity is much more expensive. Much more laughing

                  Well, and so on .. thickly troll, dear, more thoroughly necessary, more thoroughly ...
              2. Douglas
                Douglas 24 March 2016 00: 02
                +1
                - what do you understand by the "prices of internal extraction"? The price for enterprises, or the price for you, or the selling price from the power plant that generates this electricity?
                - if there is data about the "price for China" - share, plz, I just can't find it


                Look at energy, man.
                1. Cat man null
                  24 March 2016 00: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Douglas
                  Buddy

                  ... look in your pants wink

                  Quote: Douglas
                  look about energy

                  - here you are accepted ..
                  - This is not the best of experts, in particular, the Ear of Matz loves him very much. Accordingly, I really do not like him yes

                  The mistake made by the "expert" is the same as that made by the respected FANTOM-AS: the "expert" confused (and, KMK, deliberately) the wholesale price for the purchase of electricity from the power plant (46 kopecks) and the price for the end consumer, and the industrial (6 rubles, it is more than for the population - so it turned out worse).

                  Well, Duc ... expert, there’s nowhere to put stigmas request
            2. Douglas
              Douglas 23 March 2016 21: 09
              +1
              I agree, only an ally in the inflamed imagination of our politicians.
              But in reality, the Russian Federation for China is just a gratuitous raw materials appendage.
              For example, where did the Irkutsk taiga go?
              To whom was the Pacific Fleet sold for "needles"?
              To whom send email. energy at prices lower than the domestic market?
              To whom do they give land to the Far East for rent for 49 years?
              Where did the teapots find a huge market for their goods?
              Does our "genius" cut through the FAQ there? Where does it cut through? For what purpose does he chop? request


              AUTHOR BRAVO hi
              1. Cat man null
                23 March 2016 21: 16
                +1
                Quote: Douglas
                AUTHOR BRAVO

                The author yap ...

                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                For example, where did the Irkutsk taiga go?

                In September last year, there was still .. and even the witches were there .. really during the winter they sold all the chineses ?? belay

                Quote: http://www.interfax.ru/russia/468618
                Moscow. 23 September. INTERFAX.RU - A poor harvest of nuts and berries in the taiga due to drought may lead to the appearance of crank bears this winter in the settlements of the Irkutsk region, Deputy Head of the Regional Service for the Protection and Use of Wildlife Valery Zagoskin told Interfax.

                "The animals will not have time to work up the required amount of fat before hibernation, therefore, due to hunger, they will start to wake up early, and some will not be able to sleep at all. Since there is no food in the taiga in winter, connecting rod bears will go to settlements and pose a real threat to residents ", - said Zagoskin.

                So, he said, in in September, hunters killed a bear weighing about 450 kg, that is, very large, but less than 1 kg of fat was smelted from it.
                In addition, according to Zagoskin, an increase in cases of bears coming to people is already recorded in the taiga due to feed-free treatment. If in September last year there were only isolated facts, then this fall - already about 20.

                He underlined, ht the number of bears in the Irkutsk region is "not critical" - about 13 thousand individuals, and the reason for their appearance next to people is precisely hunger.

                Taiga - no .. and almost half a ton of Vedmedik is - there are .. and about 13000 Vedmediks roam somewhere .. but taiga - anyway ..

                Strange, is not it? wink
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 23 March 2016 18: 49
          +1
          10000000 plusov!
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 March 2016 06: 49
      +12
      Quote: nils
      The composition of the Trans-Baikal District to Putin:


      I remember one Chechen one before Putin, the army was large, and there was no one to send to the warrior.
      Quote: nils
      36 army of the 3's brigade squad + army set of parts. The rest is disbanded!
      I don’t want to come in!

      Here's how, and why no one comes in?
      1. cayman gene
        cayman gene 23 March 2016 09: 31
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here's how, and why no one comes in?

        and do not want, loving because.
  • Aposlya
    Aposlya 23 March 2016 08: 22
    +5
    Quote: nils
    Putin cuts a window to China!


    damn, everything is not like people - why cut through the window? The door is easier to open ... laughing
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 March 2016 06: 07
    +12
    The main thing is to defeat the image of the West as the “only and irreplaceable” that has settled in the heads of some officials and managers.

    This is the most difficult, and the article gives the answer why:
    The task is greatly facilitated due to the fact that the same “micro-Gref” comes to the Chinese for negotiations with the Russian side, only of the Russian spill. They will talk about the favorite clubs of the English Premier League; about the successes of children who study at the same American universities; discuss the price of American real estate; and then together they will write reports that joint projects are impossible or risky, or it is better to postpone them indefinitely.
    Here's how to lime these Grefs? After all, any bureaucrat goes to his post, it does not matter in a state or private company, to work not for the homeland, but in your pocket. hi
  • sdc_alex
    sdc_alex 23 March 2016 06: 18
    +1
    I agree, an interesting article. Written pretty believable.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 23 March 2016 07: 22
      +4
      The target article is unambiguous. The examples given in it are more of a patriotic-ordered character. But this is for now! In the near future, everything can change (in relations with China) and all those who now justify their barking with an intelligent face on an elephant will say with the same expression on their faces that they say they didn’t mean it at all. The window to Europe was cut through by everyone, Tsar-Father Peter the Great - but if he had to choose the direction now, he would have faced a difficult decision. (Indeed, in Europe it turns out that Russia is called simply a large gas station). I would not want to repeat the same scenario in relations with China.
      1. Vitwin
        Vitwin 23 March 2016 09: 15
        +3
        Quote: Dembel 77
        Europe somehow turns out to be called just a big gas station).

        If we can offer something, then yes, but so far everything looks like a gas station turning east - no more. hi
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 23 March 2016 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: Vitwin
          but so far everything looks like a gas station turning east - no more.

          Whose is it like? The way it is! Strength, damn it, Siberia is the masterpiece of gallery owners.
          We will exchange gas for Chinese nails.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 March 2016 08: 39
      -1
      Quote: sdc_alex
      I agree, an interesting article. Written pretty believable.

      In the Chinese, "Gref's syndrome" has long been successfully treated by placing it against the wall. I am skeptical about his analysis.
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 23 March 2016 08: 26
    0
    To trade on equal terms with the Chinese, you yourself need to be a Chinese. They trade with Russia only to support cross-border small business. And the fact that they really need from Russia, they bargain with our cunning officials for everything, right up to the territories.
    And what about hacking a window there, after all, not one breakthrough has long been opened there. laughing Soon in the south of Siberia and the Far East there will be no forest at all.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 March 2016 05: 57
    0
    International politics is a chess game in which the winner is the one who furthest from all the consequences of his moves.
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  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 23 March 2016 06: 02
    +4
    I agree in many respects with the author, but I will add my own view on relations with the Chinese. According to businessmen, representatives of medium and large businesses, agents of Chinese banks and firms like to control the process, delve into all the subtleties and require, accordingly, reports in the same style. Planning and writing projects in this light requires detailed study. Our leaders in capitalist construction are not used to it. So all this comes with a creak. Add to this everything else, get an answer to all the problems of our relationship with them.
  • apro
    apro 23 March 2016 06: 11
    +1
    What does it mean that the PRC threw Putin? And he agrees with him on something? And the PRC trusts Putin? What kind of investments can it be, is Moscow financing SGA? Recently 5 lard amers threw as many as a tenth of us in Russia there is nowhere to spend them? And why should China quarrel with the West with which it has the main commodity circulation? for the sake of Putin's incomprehensible policy? After all, there is no question of any import substitution, how did the money go west and go, what has changed?
    1. Cat man null
      23 March 2016 12: 23
      0
      Quote: apro
      What does it mean that the PRC threw Putin? And he agrees with him on something? And the PRC trusts Putin? What kind of investments can it be, is Moscow financing SGA? Recently 5 lard amers threw as many as a tenth of us in Russia there is nowhere to spend them? And why should China quarrel with the West with which it has the main commodity circulation? for the sake of Putin's incomprehensible policy? After all, there is no question of any import substitution, how did the money go west and go, what has changed?

      Dear .. and you know anything other than to ask military questions, in general?

      Say something already in a non-questioning form, I beg you .. and with a clear argumentation of what was said ..

      Eh .. dreams, dreams .. sad

      PS: I can put your questions on the components. Show where you are lying frankly. I don’t want yet, I just don’t see the point yes
      1. apro
        apro 23 March 2016 12: 48
        +2
        Roman can you prove my lies? Well, it will be nice to point out my mistakes.
        1. Cat man null
          23 March 2016 13: 23
          0
          Quote: apro
          Roman can you prove my lies? ok, kindly point out my mistakes

          Good, I'm trying:

          Quote: apro
          what kind of investments can it talk about is Moscow funding sga?

          - Moscow DOES NOT fund the SGA. If this is again an old song about treasure - I have already broken off my tongue (and fingers), explaining what it is, why it is and what it is eaten with

          Quote: apro
          recently 5 lard amers thrown to zero point ten

          - about zero point (zero?) tenths - a lie. Look for the percentage on the treasure yourself, there are many where. And he was never zero No.
          - not "planted", but on loan. Moreover, what is typical - at any (!) Moment we can pick it up. About "thrown amer" - a lie

          Quote: apro
          why should China quarrel with the West with which it has the main commodity circulation

          - they are already "quarreling". More precisely, there is already quite strong economic pressure on the PRC. And the Japanese-Chinese minor showdowns - they are also not conceived by Japan. Not a lie, but the fact that you either do not see something or do not want to see is obvious.

          Quote: apro
          no import substitution is out of the question

          - Oh really?? Helicopter engines - import substituted. On ships - the work is in full swing, only a rustle stands .. The Federal Law of the Russian Federation of December 31, 2014 N 488-FZ "On industrial policy in the Russian Federation" is already working, oddly enough .. damn it, you have to be completely blind, deaf, to write "no import substitution" yes

          Quote: apro
          how money went west and so what has changed

          - read how many and which banks have been closed by the Central Bank since the beginning of the year at least. Read about how VEB wool was (a structure that seemed completely untouchable, by the way)
          - so: this is just so that the money does NOT drain
          - nothing changed? Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ...

          What is the question - is the answer wink
  • feropont
    feropont 23 March 2016 06: 22
    -1
    Guys, let’s remember one thing ... if suddenly a warrior ... SU30cm aircraft ... 26 ... Su_34-40, Su 35 60 + 40 ... we are Liechtenstein
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 March 2016 06: 50
      0
      Quote: feropont
      Guys, let’s remember one thing ... if suddenly a warrior ... SU30cm aircraft ... 26 ... Su_34-40, Su 35 60 + 40.

      Where are the numbers picking up?
      If suddenly a real warrior, then the entrance pioidet nuclear weapons
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 23 March 2016 09: 34
        +1
        To justify the reduction of the army, and in fact, its collapse, by the presence of "nuclear weapons" is Khrushchev's Trotskyism. "YAO" cannot be used on its territory. You won't be chopping off your head if you get lice. Under Putin, the army is being revived, so let the Trans-Baikal District be restored too. So that insatiable Chinese people always look at our guns in the ass. Just in case.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 March 2016 14: 55
          -2
          Quote: Svetlana
          To justify the reduction of the army, but in fact, its collapse,

          Madame, what do you even know about the army?
          And show me the ruined army, I want to see.
          Quote: Svetlana
          To insatiable Chinas in the ass, our guns always looked.

          I have not met such, maybe your Chinese husband and eats a lot, so probably you cook deliciously.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 24 March 2016 15: 21
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Madame, what do you even know about the army?
            And show me the ruined army, I want to see.

            Alexander, I apologize if I offended you with an unpleasant comparison (this is me about lice). I had no purpose to offend you. Of course, I know little about the army. But the collapse that began at the end of the 80's can only be denied by an unwise person. Order in the army has just begun to be restored, and much more needs to be done to restore it. And there was a mess in the army even before its collapse. My peers served in the middle of the 80's and I heard a lot from them about what was happening. I hope that now there is no such thing. But the collapse we all observed in 90's. Everyone saw how young officers who had already fought in hot spots, but who did not receive any apartments or the corresponding rewards, were unable to even feed their families properly. How to get drunk or go into business or into bandits. I hope that now all military personnel have a certain material motivation, except for patriotism.
            Having little knowledge of military affairs, nevertheless, I believe that the unification of all military districts into 4 military districts throughout Russia is very risky. Centralization and globalization have never brought good anywhere.
            I am glad for you that you meet good, decent Chinese. I have nothing against them, but they cannot give their land to them in any form or for any period. Our ancestors understood this, although from time to time they were also forced to give something. This gives an understanding of the fact that they will always be few and they will continue after some time again to claim the following territories and go deeper and further.
            My husband is Russian, if that. Although I really cook well, it eats moderately. laughing
  • Twilight
    Twilight 23 March 2016 06: 30
    +7
    Finally, something normal can work in Usolye. And then the single-industry town collapses stupidly - Khimprom, Khimfarm, Usolmash (metalwork, tower cranes did), they all buried. The production of polysilicon for solar panels under the auspices of Rusnano was advertised on the basis of the Chemical Industry, * Ryzhiy * himself came (gave a start to the project), invested lard money and SILENCE ... By the way, SEVEN lard still do not know where to go repeat .A majority of people go to work in Angarsk or Irkutsk, such arithmetic ...
  • Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 23 March 2016 06: 34
    +4
    Putin cuts a window to China
    - The title of the article was somewhat alarming. At one time, Peter the Great also opened a window to Europe and whoever has not crawled through the window to us. However, in this case, everything is correct in the foreign policy of the Russian president - in the long term, only the development of normal good-neighborly relations and economic ties with China and other Asian countries is a priority for Russia - its path to Europe has been barred (at least until Russia accepts European so-called universal human values ​​- save Gd from this "path of development", or until Europe grows wiser - which is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future).
    I have the honor.
  • Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 23 March 2016 06: 39
    0
    At the heart of the modern world is the economy. Russia and China are interested in each other primarily as economic partners, so the development of relations between our countries is quite natural.
    1. Douglas
      Douglas 23 March 2016 12: 15
      0
      At the heart of the modern world is the economy. Russia and China are interested in each other primarily as economic partners, so the development of relations between our countries is quite natural.

      My friend laughed for a long time. China needs territory from RUSSIA. And China’s economic relations with the USA and Europe.
      1. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 23 March 2016 19: 41
        +1
        Quote: Douglas
        My friend laughed for a long time



        Well done, laughter prolongs life.

        And China’s economic relations with the USA and Europe .//

        Really? And 94 billion green trade between Russia and China in 2014 is not an economic relationship? True, in 2015 the trade turnover decreased slightly, but there is an explanation for this - the growth of the dollar exchange rate, etc.
        In addition, Russia is one of China's twenty largest partners.




        Quote: Douglas
        China needs territory from RUSSIA



        Well, under certain conditions, China would not give up Russian territories, in fact, like any other country. But China does not and does not expect such conditions and opportunities, it is more profitable to cooperate and trade than to fight.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 23 March 2016 21: 04
          -1
          Well, under certain conditions, China would not give up Russian territories, in fact, like any other country. But China does not and does not expect such conditions and opportunities, it is more profitable to cooperate and trade than to fight.

          And more about the land
          AND ABOUT THE ARMY OF CHINA
      2. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 23 March 2016 19: 41
        0
        Quote: Douglas
        My friend laughed for a long time



        Well done, laughter prolongs life.

        And China’s economic relations with the USA and Europe .//

        Really? And 94 billion green trade between Russia and China in 2014 is not an economic relationship? True, in 2015 the trade turnover decreased slightly, but there is an explanation for this - the growth of the dollar exchange rate, etc.
        In addition, Russia is one of China's twenty largest partners.




        Quote: Douglas
        China needs territory from RUSSIA



        Well, under certain conditions, China would not give up Russian territories, in fact, like any other country. But China does not and does not expect such conditions and opportunities, it is more profitable to cooperate and trade than to fight.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 23 March 2016 20: 47
          +1
          Well, under certain conditions, China would not give up Russian territories, in fact, like any other country. But China does not and does not expect such conditions and opportunities, it is more profitable to cooperate and trade than to fight.


          All buddy I fell out of my chair laughing.
          US, turnover - 521 billion dollars
          Hong Kong, $ 401 billion turnover
          South Korea, turnover of 274,24 billion dollars. This is cooperation, and you are 90 billion just a laugh.
          Look about the territory here



          1. Galich Kos
            Galich Kos 23 March 2016 22: 18
            0
            Quote: Douglas
            All buddy I fell out of my chair laughing.



            Damn, I also wanted to laugh and googled the trade turnover of Belarus over the past year. I sit and barely hold on to laughter. Let's have a laugh together.

            According to the National Statistics Committee, Belarus’s trade turnover with the European Union countries in 2015 decreased by 2014% compared to 28,7 to $ 14 billion 432,8 million. In 2014, compared with 2013, the decrease in turnover amounted to 4,1%.

            Exports to the EU decreased by 19,4% to $ 8 billion 602 million, imports - by 38,3% to $ 5 billion 830,8 million. The surplus amounted to 2 billion 771,2 million dollars.

            Of the total exports of the republic in 2015, Russia accounted for 38,9% (in 2014 - 42,1%), CIS countries (excluding Russia) - 13,8% (16,4%), EU countries - 32,2, 29,6% (15,1%), other countries - 11,9% (56,6%). Imports from Russia amounted to 2014% of total imports (in 54,8 - 3,9%), CIS countries (excluding Russia) - 4,9% (19,2%), EU countries - 23,3% (20,3, 17%), other countries - XNUMX% (XNUMX%).

            In 2015, the volumes of export-import operations with 196 countries were registered. Goods were delivered to the markets of 165 countries, products were imported from 181 countries. In 2014, export-import operations were carried out with 206 countries, goods were delivered to the markets of 161 countries, and products were imported from 189 countries.

            As noted by Belstat, in 2015 there was a trend of a noticeable reduction in the degree of geographical concentration of Belarus' export supplies. The indicator of the geographical concentration of exports amounted to 1.816 against 2.049 in 2014. The decrease in the geographical concentration of exports is due to a decrease in the share of Russia in the total export of goods of the Republic of Belarus. However, the degree of geographical concentration of exports was characterized as high.

            The main trade partners of the republic in 2015 were: Russia - 48,3% of the total turnover, Ukraine - 6,1%, China - 5,6%, the United Kingdom - 5,5%, Germany - 4,3%, Poland - 3,2%, the Netherlands - 2,4%, Lithuania - 2,2%, Italy - 1,3%, Latvia - 1,2%.

            Exports of goods to Russia amounted to 10 billion 389 million US dollars, which is 31,6% less than in 2014, imports from Russia - 17 billion 144,2 million (22,7% less).

            The volume of exports to Ukraine amounted to 2 billion 520,8 million dollars (38% less), imported to Belarus - 950 million (43,8% less).

            Goods were exported to the Netherlands by 1 billion 157,5 million dollars (32,3% less than in 2014), imported 211,1 million (56,3% less).

            Exports to Germany amounted to 1 billion 86,5 million dollars (34,3% less), imports - 1 billion 385 million (43,8% less).

            The volume of exports to Lithuania decreased to $ 964,4 million (by 7,1%), imports - to 277,7 million (by 24%).

            Goods were exported to China for $ 767 million (22,1% more), imported goods - 2 billion 399,5 million (1,1% more).

            Exports to Poland amounted to $ 767 million (9,1% less), imports - 1 billion 82,1 million (29,5% less).

            Export to Latvia amounted to $ 599,7 million (19,6% more), import 77,1 million (48,7% less).



            Are you still laughing?


            Well, at the expense of China’s annexation of something there ... Don’t be a brother, Belarus, we’ll sort it out without God's help with God's help.
            1. Douglas
              Douglas 23 March 2016 23: 40
              0
              Are you still laughing?
              Well, at the expense of China’s annexation of something there ... Don’t be a brother, Belarus, we’ll sort it out without God's help with God's help.

              Buddy BELARUS fell because RUSSIA turned out to be weak, in economic terms. So write how RUSSIA fell? And still fall. If oil does not rise in price.
              I laugh at what they say on TV and what in reality.
              1. Galich Kos
                Galich Kos 24 March 2016 09: 52
                -1
                Quote: Douglas
                Buddy BELARUS fell because RUSSIA turned out to be weak, in economic terms.



                Seriously? How did the weakness of the Russian economy affect, say, the export of Belarusian products to Poland or Germany and other countries? Or Belarus is also in trend, they say Russia is to blame?
                Guys, yes, Russia stimulates your economy in a way that no one has dreamed of. Googled what price Belarus pays for Russian energy in comparison with other neighboring countries. Yes, and loans are allocated to you regularly. No thanks, but no, everything is the same.
                And this is you, let’s like Ukraine, go to Europe. We’ll see what will happen to you in 2 years, when export to Russia will fall by ... percent.
                1. Douglas
                  Douglas 24 March 2016 12: 31
                  0
                  Googled what price Belarus pays for Russian energy in comparison with other neighboring countries.

                  And you think why RUSSIA MAKES A DISCOUNT on the energy resources of BELARUS? Turn on the brain.
                  1. Galich Kos
                    Galich Kos 24 March 2016 12: 35
                    0
                    And you, in turn, turn on the brain and think about why such a proud and independent Belarus and the Old Man personally, whom no one decree is))) do you also use discounts, loans and more?
                    1. Douglas
                      Douglas 24 March 2016 21: 52
                      0
                      And you, in turn, turn on the brain and think about why such a proud and independent Belarus and the Old Man personally, whom no one decree is))) do you also use discounts, loans and more?


                      They use it because they sold the service. Do you not use money when they pay with you for the work done. So BELARUS uses money.
  • antiexpert
    antiexpert 23 March 2016 06: 56
    -4
    the author doesn’t care - China is neither the first nor the second nor the third
    China is 5000 years of rake epicheles and dances, China is a succumb to the United States, resulting, for example, in demonstration provocations on the borders with the USSR to show loyalty to the lord.
    And finally - China is an enduring stupidity and betrayal of its many thousand-year-old principles, a deal with the devil, for which reckoning will surely come!
    Throughout the history of China, there is not a single example where China benefited from cooperation except one. This is a real friendship with the USSR. Nuclear weapons (and many other nishtyaks) are a real example of this relationship. And, the author here gives a very funny thesis - that nuclear weapons are the basis of today's China phenomenon. Or who will object? Would the Anglo-Saxons clatter with China if the latter did not have, even fake, but nuclear weapons? Dear tea drinkers, tell me, aren't the Anglo-Saxons used to taking for free where you can not pay? So it turns out that all (very dubious) prosperity of China rests solely at the expense of its primitive, backward, but nevertheless - nuclear weapons, a gift of the USSR that was unheard of in its generosity.
    Here a very interesting idea is announced - the real author of modern China is the USSR, which (perhaps erroneously) presented nuclear technology to China. What should the wise do in this case? The wise analyzes relationships with all partners and concludes. The conclusion is very simple: there is only one example of a relationship for 5000 years, when friendship, real, by the way, friendship, was the result of a phenomenal breakthrough and the acquisition of a trump card, which almost costs almost life. How in this case should you relate to the heir of such a friend? The wise will simply say - you have to creep under it without thinking. Question: is this observed? Alas - it is observed again, the applied foot over the same glabes. Only now, taking into account the situation, a rake handle can cause injuries incompatible with the continuation of life functions. That’s all the many thousands of years of wisdom in China.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 23 March 2016 21: 05
      0
      Quote: antiexpert
      China is 5000 years of rake epicheils and dances.


      And how did they last 5000 years with such a life? fool

      Quote: antiexpert
      Throughout the history of China, there is not a single example where China benefited from cooperation except one.


      As I understand it, for example, you never heard about the Tang Dynasty ...
  • Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 23 March 2016 07: 02
    +2
    Quote: antiexpert
    Throughout the history of China, there is not a single example where China has benefited from cooperation,



    Did not try to wonder why it was so? It so happened that China fell into the zone of interests of European powers, more developed both militarily and economically. Using their strength and backwardness of China, the Europeans began to tear China to pieces, impose treaties that were disadvantageous for China. China tried to resist, the opium wars and the rebellion of boxers are nothing more than attempts to start a war of liberation.
    At the end of the 19th century, Russia, along with European countries, also participated in the suppression of the Chinese uprising.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 23 March 2016 07: 08
    0
    It looks like China has stepped on the same rake as Russia. And he bred his Khodarkovsky. Our nationalization of the elite is not very successful. Let's see what China will do.
  • L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 23 March 2016 07: 35
    0
    Russia must establish ties with many countries. Especially with adequate and friendly towards Russia.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 March 2016 07: 39
    0
    It is good that there are authors who want to hire unlearned viewers, pouring them into the wisdom! However, commentators don’t need this at all. The gypsy cherishes the move. Therefore, there is only one thing left: to appear smart before everyone, which is also pointless. laughing
  • oracul
    oracul 23 March 2016 08: 15
    +1
    No need to complicate. There are problems and there are plenty of them - such are the realities of relations between states. The reason is in the interests: they do not always coincide. Just like in a family between close people. Attempts to build an illusory pattern of behavior for eternal times are significantly doomed to failure. This is a dialectic and it affects everyone regardless of whether someone likes it or not.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 23 March 2016 08: 25
    +5
    Well, he piled up! In the first part I indiscriminately mixed the opinion of sane people with the opinion of the so-called. "liberals, actually putting them on the same level, and in the second part he himself confirmed that China turned to us well ... sing.
    PySy "Putin cuts a window to China"
    Not noticing at the same time kilometer-long holes in the border with it and the legislation through which wood, ore, electricity at cost and our other wealth flows through trucks and echelons, causing continuous losses to the budget.
  • Riv
    Riv 23 March 2016 08: 28
    +5
    Everything is too complicated for the author. But in fact, the small box opens simply: the Chinese are more profitable and easier to invest at home. Sanctions play a third role here.

    And do not think that this is good for China. Yes, it is very easy and profitable for them to invest in industry. But there are no free cookies. For this ease you have to pay extremely low environmental requirements. Believe the techno-fascist: China has so many environmental problems that you can’t even see ways to solve them. Another twenty years of extensive development - and the four-armed, two-headed Chinese will become familiar.

    So God forbid to make the country attractive to Chinese capital.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 23 March 2016 08: 43
    +1
    A real shock in the financial environment of Russia was caused by a recent report that Gazprom received a loan of 2 billion euros from Bank of China for 5 years. After all, it was assumed that not a single Chinese bank would take such a risk.
    What interest rate is interesting? This should be voiced first, and not the amount of the loan. The IMF is also turning billions.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 23 March 2016 08: 51
    +1
    "... Well, Russian troops would have captured Kiev in 2014, and then what? We would have received a cold war with the EU and a trade embargo."
    And now this is nothing, neither a trade embargo, nor a type of Cold War?
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    2. Vitwin
      Vitwin 23 March 2016 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: sa-ag
      "... Well, Russian troops would have captured Kiev in 2014, and then what

      Then we would not be sitting on the net, but in the ranks of the army in the trenches near Lviv (in a good situation)
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 23 March 2016 21: 14
        0
        Quote: Vitwin
        in the ranks of the army in the trenches near Lviv (in a good scenario)


        What about bad? Insolent people have a proverb: "If you are destined to be hanged for stealing a sheep - why don't you steal a calf at the same time?"
        If sanctions are inevitable anyway - why not score West and not to clean up the banderlog really hard (caught with a gun - shooting on the spot)? am
        And no trenches near Lviv (which Lviv? Is that you about those ruins?) ... laughing
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  • Maksim
    Maksim 23 March 2016 09: 03
    +2
    "Turbopatriots" is a masterpiece !!! laughing
    1. Shveps
      Shveps 23 March 2016 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Makcim
      "Turbopatriots" is a masterpiece !!! laughing


      And Trubopatrioty (in the Kremlin) - even cooler!
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 23 March 2016 09: 17
    +1
    In Yakutia, the Chinese are asking the price of the bridge across the Lena (in the sense of building). Maybe they will, if the "Grefs - Downshifters" do not interfere. I basically agree with the author, article +.
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 23 March 2016 09: 26
    +1
    Dear, it’s funny, no more, what window? What are you talking about? Russia is forced to develop far from mutually beneficial cooperation with China, the window needs to be cut in another, not to trade in raw materials, but to enter markets with high-tech products, then you don’t need to cut windows either, that's all cheap slogans turn to Asia until they give a result, for the same reason
  • Million
    Million 23 March 2016 09: 28
    0
    It’s hard to cut a window into China. Their mentality is not simple.
  • akims
    akims 23 March 2016 10: 06
    0
    Not so long ago, Chinese analysts presented a report, which concluded that in 2016 China could not afford to attack Russia.
    This is after the entry of troops into Syria.
    And if they hadn’t entered?
    So it’s not so simple with China.
  • cedar
    cedar 23 March 2016 10: 44
    +1
    “... The turn to the East, announced by Putin, is slow, with creak and difficulties, but it is already clear that its success is inevitable like sunrise tomorrow. With the necessary efforts, we will succeed. The main thing is to defeat the image of the West as the “only and irreplaceable” that has settled in the heads of some officials and managers. ”

    Obviously, the author draws a picture based on the thesis that “the USSR itself fell apart” ..!
    For him, accordingly, the task is to find good officials who kick out bad officials and us orphans into a bright future that shines on everyone in the East ...
    Until the author and others like him see the USSR lose in the Cold War, they will write “letters” to us from the world of parallel reality.
    Accordingly, the whole trouble is that it was not the image of the West that sat in the heads of some officials, but specific Western consulting companies in specific Russian banks (starting with the Central Bank!), Ministries and companies, that settled and manage, AS WANTED, these “our” banks, ministries and companies, naturally in the interests of the winners, not the defeated!
    In fact, Russia has external control in terms of legislative and executive powers.
    The ruble in these conditions is not sovereign Russian currency, since it is tightly connected with dollars received from the sale of export products, in fact it is a repainted dollar and this greatly complicates the mutually beneficial trade for rubles with our eastern neighbor.
    How can China, a sovereign country with sovereign currency, enter into a strong and mutually beneficial contact with Russia if there is a third party that can always, through its advisers and agents of influence, legislative and by-laws, bribes, etc., influence contractual processes and the implementation of mutually beneficial for Russia and China programs ?!
    Putin understands this very well, but as president he is extremely limited by the articles of the Constitution, which he must first observe as its guarantor. Under these conditions, he has only one resource left, direct control of individual elements of the system beyond his control BY CONSTITUTION! Hence the “slow turns, with creak and difficulties” towards mutually beneficial cooperation, including with China.
    Therefore, it is necessary to amend the Constitution and give on this basis extraordinary powers to the President to return Russia to the mainstream of a free and independent policy aimed at developing and strengthening Russia in order to free it from Western external governance!
    1. Cat man null
      23 March 2016 12: 57
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      Quote: cedar
      Obviously, the author draws a picture based on the thesis that has settled in his head

      Dear, the author is much smarter than you. What you can easily find out by searching by the name of the author in any search engine available to you and going to the corresponding site.

      Your megatext (by the way, teach me to put the same sheets on VO .. for half of me this site says "You entered too long a message") consists of a standard set of stamps like:

      Quote: cedar
      Western consulting companies in specific Russian banks ... settled and run, AS WANTED, these "our" banks

      - a consulting (or even auditing) company cannot "run"

      Quote: cedar
      Russia has external management in terms of legislative and executive power

      - PPC ... no more words ... You are not stuck in the 90s, dear? There really was "external control". Although, fortunately, it did not have time to reach such as it is now on Ukraine

      Quote: cedar
      The ruble in these conditions is not a sovereign Russian currency, since it is tightly connected with dollars received from the sale of export products, in fact it is a repainted dollar and this greatly complicates the mutually beneficial trade for rubles with our eastern neighbor

      - The ruble is a convertible currency, you mean? Well, yes .. so what?
      - ruble-yuan transactions have already been launched .. Have you read the article, in general?

      Quote: cedar
      How can China, a sovereign country with sovereign currency, enter into a strong and mutually beneficial contact with Russia if there is a third party that can always, through its advisers and agents of influence, legislative and by-laws, bribes, etc., influence contractual processes and the implementation of mutually beneficial for Russia and China programs ?!

      - tell me why, in your opinion, the yuan is a "sovereign currency" and the ruble is not?
      - what kind of beast is this - "sovereign currency"? There is no such thing in nature laughing

      Quote: cedar
      need to amend the Constitution

      Oooh, yoooooooooooooooooooo ...
  • Crown
    Crown 28 March 2016 14: 58
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    In addition to hydrocarbons, agricultural products (without GMOs) must be exported to China. To do this, it is necessary to return overgrown fields to crop rotation. The border regions with China are quietly starting to develop this market segment and it seems to be not bad at all.