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Smooth-bore self-loading carbine "Vepr-12 / VPO-205-3"

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At the trade fair for hunting and sporting events held in Nuremberg in early March weapons IWA & OutdoorClassics 2016 exposition of Russia was presented in an abridged form. To compensate for the absence of the largest Russian arms manufacturers at the exhibition under the sanctions (Kalashnikov concern, Izhmekhzavod, TOZ, KBP), the Molot-Oruzhie plant from the city of Vyatskiye Polyany was called upon. The enterprise from the Kirov region presented a logically complete and diverse family of its smooth-bore self-loading carbines "Vepr-12". Of which the shortened model of the VPO-205-3 carbine, which is popular today in law enforcement units and special forces, was able to attract special attention.


It is worth noting that smooth-bore guns, along with pistols and machine guns, are today the regular small arms of the law enforcement and security forces. In addition to the psychological action that they have on the offender, experts also highlight the powerful stopping power of 12 caliber cartridges. You should not disregard the high flexibility of using smooth-bore guns, which allow using a wide range of ammunition of various types: signal, gas, cartridges with rubber or plastic grape bag, noise cartridges, special cartridges for knocking out doors and locks, etc.

Vepr-12 / VPO-205-03, photo: molot.biz


Until recently, the police almost without exception used smooth-bore guns with a tubular barrel-mounted magazine and a movable forearm, the so-called pump guns. This weapon was valued for its menacing appearance, simplicity and reliability of the design. The attitude towards self-loading smooth-bore carbines, especially among conservative American police, was rather skeptical for a long time, it was believed that semi-automatic weapons are supposedly always unreliable and expensive weapons, and their only use is “ladies” weapons because of automatic reloading and softer recoil when firing.

The Russian gunsmiths were able to dispel these biases in the 2003 year by launching the Vepr-12 smoothbore self-loading rifle to the market. At the Molot plant, the weapon was given the VPO-205 index. Together with its direct competitor - Izhevsk carbine "Saiga-12" - "Vepr-12" (the 12 figures in the name indicate the caliber of the weapon) buried the myth of the complexity, unreliability and high cost of smooth-bore semi-automatic. Gunsmiths from Vyatskiye Polyan managed to create a self-loading carbine, which, thanks to a capacious shop and ergonomics, had high firepower and could work reliably with various types of cartridges. At the same time, the price of weapons both then and now is at about 500 Euro.

Vepr-12 / VPO-205-03, photo: molot.biz


Carabiner "Vepr" came to the court not only in Russia. A smooth-bore self-loading carbine is demanded by the IPSC shooters and police officers, especially fighters from special assault groups who use the carbine as a “first strike weapon”. In our country, Vepr-12 has been certified as service and civilian weapons. In the 2012 year, after the relevant tests, NATO included the Russian carbine in the official list of weapons of the bloc countries. It was tested at the NATO Maintenance and Supply Agency NAMSA. The rifle was presented in September 2012, and the Bundeswehr officers used the self-loading rifle as a support weapon during the storming of the fortified premises. It is known that Russian weapons were purchased by Greece (special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs EKAM), France (Ministry of Internal Affairs RAID), Germany (special forces of the Federal Police), the USA, Syria and a number of other states. The high demand for carbines in the external and domestic market forced the Hammer-Weapon company to develop a whole series of modifications that formed the unified family of smooth-bore self-loading carbines VPO-205 / 206. All of them differ from each other in barrel length, types of butts and muzzle devices, as well as types of used ammunition - cartridges 12x76 and 12x70.

For self-defense of their home and security forces, the short carabiner model VPO-205-03 is the most interesting, the barrel length is 305 mm (for the 01 model - 570 mm, 02 - 680 mm). Like all Vepr-12 carbines, it was created on the basis of the famous Kalashnikov light machine gun - the PKK, inheriting from it a butterfly valve and the venting principle of operation. Naturally, the barrel, receiver, bolt and magazine have undergone modifications to allow the use of 12 caliber gun cartridges. In addition, the automatic fire sear was removed from the firing mechanism, a slide delay was introduced, and a descent block was provided with the carbine butt folded.

Vepr-12 / VPO-205-03, photo: molot.biz


The barrel bore, the chamber, the gas chamber and the stem were chromed. One of the advantages of "Boar" is called the mine store with a wide neck, which provides a fairly easy and quick change of stores. At the same time, the HPE-205-03 is compact (overall length is 867 mm), but remains a very powerful weapon, having an effective firing range of up to one hundred meters with the muzzle energy of 12x76 cartridges at the level of 3800 J. installation of optical and or any other sights (weight of barreled devices installed on the lid of the box cannot exceed 1913 kg), as well as all kinds of accessories, adjustable tubular butt and a wide selection of interchangeable nozzles make smooth-bore carbine VPO-0,6-X NUMX universal and modern model of small arms, which is able to meet the needs of various shooters.

Automatic reloading of the smooth-bore carbine VPO-205-03 is carried out at the expense of the energy of the powder gases, which are discharged from the bore into the gas chamber, as well as the energy of the return springs. The barrel bore is locked to two lugs by turning the bolt around its axis with a longitudinally sliding bolt carrier. The model uses a trigger type trigger mechanism, which provides for the production of single shots. A blocking device was placed in the carbine's receiver, which does not allow firing from a weapon if its butt is folded. In addition, like the entire line of Vepr-12 self-loading smooth bore carbines, this sample has a slide delay allowing the moving system to remain in the rear position when cartridges are used up in a magazine.



Sales of this smooth-bore carbine started in Russia in July 2011. Currently, the manufacturer on its official website indicates the price of the product in the amount of 40 890 rubles. At the same time, the Molot-Arms plant guarantees the operation of a carbine in conditions ranging from -30 to + 50 degrees Celsius, with the exception of areas with a humid tropical climate. The 205-03 carbine VPO is covered by the warranty in 18 months from the date of sale with an operating time not exceeding two thousand shots, and the life of the store should not exceed one thousand shots.

The project to develop a hunting smooth-bore self-loading carbine, having the factory designation "VPO-205-03", was based on the modification of the factory line "VPO-205-Е03", which was known for a long time, but was made exclusively for export. The peculiarity of this smooth-bore carbine is that it is an offensive weapon of the first shots, which possesses exceptional energy, dynamics and ergonomics, which are not available to other types of small arms in the short distance of combat.


Although according to the passport a hunting carbine, in relation to the market of civilian weapons, it can be defined by functionality as a high-power self-defense firearm. It is most effective in protecting against attacks at a distance from 3-s to 30 meters, at this range the role is played not so much by the accuracy of the shot as by its power. This carbine was originally positioned by the developers, as a weapon intended for defensive actions or sports shooting. It is also interesting to law enforcement agencies with special services. But for hunting VPO-205-03 it is inexpedient to use, this is also noticed by the Russian hunters themselves, yet the hunting potential of the short barrel severely limits - only 305 mm.



The main advantage of all modifications of the Vepr-12 smooth-bore self-loading carbines is their very high practical rate of fire, which together with the use of 12-caliber cartridges provides tremendous fire power of the weapon. The rate of fire is achieved by adding two factors: capacious single-row magazines with a capacity for 8 or 10 cartridges, which after emptying are quickly and easily replaced with new stores, and a self-loading carbine. In addition, the significant advantages of Vepr carbines include their “indestructibility”, that is, reliability. This weapon can be safely considered one of the strongest among all semi-automatic shotguns on the planet, affected by the strength of the PKK design, which was taken as a basis by Russian engineers.

Some of the drawbacks of weapons include the standard Picatinny rail, which is located on the underside of the forearm and makes holding the carbine by the forearm rather uncomfortable. But the main disadvantage is the mass of the smooth-bore carbine. Without a magazine, a telescopic sight, accessories, a cover with a belt, the short-barreled Vepr-12 VPO-205-03 weighs at least 4,2 kg. A loaded carbine with a developed tactical body kit and a sight will weigh even more. At the same time, this minus can turn into a plus. Since heavy weapons when firing behaves more stable, especially if the shooter prefers a rapid-fire regime.

Characteristics of Vepr-12 / VPO-205-03:
Overall dimensions of the carbine: length - 867 mm, width - 75 mm, height - 290 mm; in the folded position - 601х104х290 mm.
Barrel length - 305 mm.
Caliber - 12.
Cartridges - 12x70 and 12x76.
Shop on 10 and 8 cartridges.
Weight without magazine - 4,2 kg.
Aim range - 100 m.

Information sources:
http://molot.biz/goods/vpo-205-03.html
https://www.all4shooters.com/ru/strelba/ruzhya/Molot-Oruzhiye-VPO-205-03-gladkostvolnoye-samozaryadnoye-ruzhye
http://gunshub.ru/posts/24-obzor-vepr-vpo-205-03
http://fb.ru/article/202950/vepr--molot-vpo------karabin
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  1. La-5
    La-5 22 March 2016 07: 35
    12
    The fore-end easily changes to RPKashnoe, bought from the same Hammer, the barrel is extended by any nozzles bought there.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 24 March 2016 05: 01
      0
      The trunk on wild boar 01 does not lengthen. The flame arrester is planted forever, those are not fixed. request
  2. Bayonet
    Bayonet 22 March 2016 07: 37
    14
    Powerful car, but heavy.
    But tuned with various gadgets wink
    1. RuslanD36
      RuslanD36 22 March 2016 08: 15
      31
      Powerful car, but heavy.
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 22 March 2016 09: 15
      +5
      There’s an easier Saiga, and after the obligatory file it will be even easier.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 22 March 2016 13: 58
        +2
        Quote: Engineer
        There’s an easier Saiga, and after the obligatory file it will be even easier.

        Peeling is our everything, until you spend it you will feel some kind of incompleteness ... laughing
  3. Throw
    Throw 22 March 2016 07: 45
    +2
    The article reminded in time, you need to try this machine on orange flying saucers))
    fellow

    By the way, who has practical experience comparing it with Saiga, please share hi
    1. RuslanD36
      RuslanD36 22 March 2016 08: 13
      +8
      Much better.

      1) more reliable (in any case, with a normal barrel). Automation even won against mp-155, saiga wedged on each cartridge (there was a lot of dicks). The boar, however, had one skew of the cartridge when it reached the bottom.

      2) shops are omnivorous. They consume both 70 and 76 rounds, while saigas have different stores for them.

      3) do not need peeling. The first 10 magnuml parts worked out.

      Of the shortcomings: mass. But my full one weighs 5-5,5 kg. I am 63 kg. I normally go with him to the chassis: a good, comfortable belt helps.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 March 2016 14: 28
        0
        Quote: RuslanD36
        Automation won even MP-155

        It is interesting to know what? what
        Quote: RuslanD36
        I go with him on the chassis

        The hunt? belay
        1. RuslanD36
          RuslanD36 22 March 2016 15: 08
          +4
          We decided to test for the cartridge limit when reloading does not occur. 28shr. Fraction gunpowder falcon 2.0, 1.8, 1,6.

          It is clear that 1,6 cartridge is nowhere and no reason, but the boar has worked all 3, and not a single mp.


          And yes, to hunt.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 22 March 2016 15: 19
            +3
            Quote: RuslanD36
            gunpowder falcon 2.0, 1.8, 1,6.

            I have seen cans of "Falcon", on which the factory's recommended weight for 12 calories was in the range of 2,0 - 2,6 g.
            Quote: RuslanD36
            and mp not a single one.

            I have had an MR-155 for three years now, I shot, I think, about 2,5 thousand. He shot very different ammunition at both companies and content, ranging from sports with a 24g hitch to all kinds of 50g bullet and semi-magnums, NOT a single overcharge or misfire. And I did not begin to run it around with half-magnums, as it is written in the passport, but began to shoot cartridges, which were at hand.
            Quote: RuslanD36
            And yes, to hunt.

            Forgive me, but this is not a hunting weapon.
            1. RuslanD36
              RuslanD36 22 March 2016 15: 43
              +4
              Forgive me too, but we talked about testing, and I wrote it. Testing involves deviating from recommendations.

              I have nothing against the MP - a great gun. I had a choice between MP and VPO-205-02 (680 mm barrel). As you know, the 680 barrel was taken precisely because I would hunt with it, the difference of 20 thousand. Wooden is also important. As a result, I chose according to which gun is better (throwing one point). The boar is more convenient for me.

              How do you define a hunting rifle or not? VPO-205-03 (circled) will not give a good job on the beast, I agree. This can be fixed with barrel extensions ... But this is already and I do not understand. The rest of the boars work fine on objects of the animal world.
              Is it convenient? This is subjectivity.
              Or 4-8-10 rounds in the store is not hunting? So mp - also 4-8 rounds.
              Weight? It is solved by a good belt.

              So the boar is rather a universal shotgun, including a hunting one.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 22 March 2016 15: 55
                +1
                Quote: RuslanD36
                How do you define a hunting rifle or not?

                There is such a thing as aesthetics and generally accepted standards for hunting weapons.
                Quote: RuslanD36
                Weight? It is solved by a good belt.

                How? If the MP-155 weighs 3 kg without cartridges, and the Vepr 4,5?
                1. RuslanD36
                  RuslanD36 22 March 2016 17: 15
                  +3
                  Well, this is aesthetics and a question, I don’t even know ... Taste or something. Like in music: for classic, for rock

                  And in terms of mass: a good belt distributes weight to the body. Those. I have a debt of 3. In fact, a gun on his chest. I go long and fast. My friend on mp had a regular belt - he started to drag. Then they waved their guns - he confirmed.

                  5 kg is not such a large mass, a question of ergonomics. It is clear that you can put debt on mp. It is clear that it will be easier and more convenient.

                  I basically say that we solve the lack of mass.

                  I emphasize: I am 180 cm tall and 63 kg in weight. Those. Not a jockster. With a gun, I cut 10-15 km or more + food, cartridges, water in a satchel.
              2. tehnoluks
                tehnoluks 22 March 2016 20: 06
                +5
                How do you define a hunting rifle or not?

                Burst into a herd of wild boars - and let's peel in all directions! Hunting means.
                Burst into a herd of barmaley - and let's peel in all directions! Combat, definitely.
                Out of stock - in both cases, impact-crushing ...))
                Sorry, because without an invitation ... burst) This is already an information weapon.
                And all together - a hybrid ... Fuh!
              3. Dam
                Dam 24 March 2016 00: 27
                0
                A priori, it could not be more convenient when shooting at a flying target. Conditionally can work on the beast, but NOT CONVENIENT
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 24 March 2016 01: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Damm
                  A priori, it could not be more convenient when shooting at a flying target.

                  I also adhere to this opinion: if you aim somewhere in advance, the difference is not big, why shoot, but to the vantage point - it’s more convenient when there is a long aiming bar (that is, a classic) in front of your eyes.

                  Has anyone tried to shoot at plates aiming through a collimator?
                  1. RuslanD36
                    RuslanD36 27 March 2016 07: 34
                    0
                    Of course. It’s quite good.

                    And about the bar ... Forgive me, someone knows how to shoot, but someone does not. Not a boar for children, that's for sure.
            2. Dam
              Dam 24 March 2016 00: 25
              0
              You are lucky with Murka, usually he really doesn’t like small fractions of a sample. And so it’s a good device, although the vertical philosophy is closer to me on the hunt, but it tastes and color.
      2. Dam
        Dam 24 March 2016 00: 22
        0
        But hunting with such a device is a sophisticated sadism towards his beloved. It’s very difficult, the key for everything that is possible and impossible, and the trunk is short for firing a bullet further than 35m.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 March 2016 08: 24
      +2
      Quote: Lance
      By the way, who has practical experience comparing it with Saiga, please share

      Yes, it is interesting to know the opinion of the owners. Here on one forum they write this:
      "I chose from 5 pieces. The main jamb of them is the front sight rotated along the axis. All 5 had it turned! As a result, I took it with a minimal shift.
      One was generally with a beveled trunk. The trick is that after looking through everything that was, they found the same barrel with a straight front sight. We were delighted. Then we looked closely, and his trunk is looking to the right, in relation to the receiver.))))) Damn it!)) "
      "In general, I was once again convinced that our technique needs an eye and an eye!"
      "I bought VPO 205 00. The weaver bar is riveted crookedly, shifted to the right. Everything else seems to be exactly done. I fired with a semi-magnum 32 g felt. Bullet and shot - all without plugs, the barrel was practically shot."
      Well and further in the same vein. The forum is true in 2011, maybe now the quality is better ...
      1. La-5
        La-5 22 March 2016 08: 46
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Lance
        By the way, who has practical experience comparing it with Saiga, please share

        Yes, it is interesting to know the opinion of the owners. Here on one forum they write this:
        "I chose from 5 pieces. The main jamb of them is the front sight rotated along the axis. All 5 had it turned! As a result, I took it with a minimal shift.
        One was generally with a beveled trunk. The trick is that after looking through everything that was, they found the same barrel with a straight front sight. We were delighted. Then we looked closely, and his trunk is looking to the right, in relation to the receiver.))))) Damn it!)) "
        "In general, I was once again convinced that our technique needs an eye and an eye!"
        "I bought VPO 205 00. The weaver bar is riveted crookedly, shifted to the right. Everything else seems to be exactly done. I fired with a semi-magnum 32 g felt. Bullet and shot - all without plugs, the barrel was practically shot."
        Well and further in the same vein. The forum is true in 2011, maybe now the quality is better ...

        Any weapon must be looked at for quality, for even the Remington's curves come across.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 March 2016 09: 57
        +3
        Quote: Bayonet
        Yes, it is interesting to know the opinion of the owners.
        Yes, everyone is happy, only complain about the weight. Fuse - a fairy tale!
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 22 March 2016 14: 57
          0
          Ingvar 72

          This is not an army weapon. These are weapons of police, security guards and civilians.

          Weight for this category of users practically does not matter.

          As an army, this weapon is unlikely to be taken, only by mistake. Well, a dozen trunks just in case to try, really.

          I read an article about the role of a shotgun in the US Army. So the author of the article came to the conclusion that the shotgun does not give merit in melee to the extent that it is dragged along.
          The only thing they wear it for is to knock out the lock on the door. Well, for this weight and multi-loading things are superfluous.
      3. RuslanD36
        RuslanD36 22 March 2016 15: 51
        +2
        a jamb at them - the front sight turned on an axis


        If this is what I thought about, then the author who wrote -. A fly-out twisted and customizable to bring weapons to a standard battle. Entirely there is a rpk-shny, slaughter. Regularly set at 3, the weapon is shot by adjusting the front sight.

        the weaver strip is riveted crookedly, offset to the right


        It's true. It happens. It is better to check, but when installing sights it is not essential, at a distance of 50-100 meters it is leveled out by setting the collimator.
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 22 March 2016 08: 46
      +3
      Saigi is more reliable. And practically does not need to be finalized. The only problem for me is ammunition: constantly buying factory ammunition is a little expensive. The cartridges withstand 1-2 reloads (and not always). After reloading, you have to check with calibration (the cartridge in the press inflates and can jam) here and I shoot the substandard from 27. Well, for heavy hunting, I use the cheap version (without planks, a sight on a swallow, removal and installation without a tool and does not require shooting) there were no problems with reliability, although I got it hand-held.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 22 March 2016 09: 19
        +9
        only Saigi owners write in excuse that they did not buy the Boar.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 22 March 2016 14: 04
        +3
        Quote: zadorin1974
        Saigas are more reliable. And it practically does not need to be finalized.

        go to the Hansa and read the forums dedicated to Saig-12, the only plus is that on the Hansa almost all the improvements and possible jambs are chewed so that a person who has never had experience with weapons will immediately understand what and how.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 22 March 2016 14: 56
          +1
          At all, I took poyuzanuyu, the simplest (as they say cheap and angry), the problems are only with scooters. I haven’t regretted it yet, I didn’t do anything with it. Maybe I was lucky. I took more for self-defense, I go to the forest with IL -27, I’m not upset either. Something like that.
    4. Dam
      Dam 24 March 2016 00: 19
      0
      You do not like it. Very very uncomfortable.
  4. Belimbai
    Belimbai 22 March 2016 09: 34
    +4
    Everything ..... went to buy .....
  5. Izotovp
    Izotovp 22 March 2016 10: 06
    +2
    It is a pity that there is no under 12 * 89 !!! And even more that 10 gauge is almost forgotten.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 22 March 2016 11: 04
      +2
      under the 89th there are mr-153, only now I haven’t seen any cartridges and cartridges for them .... and the charge in them is even more than in the 10th caliber.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 March 2016 14: 31
        +2
        Quote: Izotovp
        what is not under 12 * 89 !!!

        Quote: alex-cn
        and the charge in them is even greater than in the 10th caliber.

        The 89mm sleeve was designed for firing iron shots when a lead banning chip went to the west.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 22 March 2016 21: 27
          0
          And is the 16th caliber still alive, or has it sunk into oblivion?
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 23 March 2016 19: 48
            +1
            Pre-war and post-war Sauer, Zimson, Le Page and etc. for running hunting are still in operation. Lovers outfit themselves.
  6. Vladimir_USSR
    Vladimir_USSR 22 March 2016 10: 37
    +3
    It is also perfectly tuned:

  7. tracer
    tracer 22 March 2016 15: 59
    +1
    Chic things, just great for sports and security and plinking. But a hare with such a walk ... EE bust. From one species, the hare must fall dead. A quick offhand shot from this device is very unlikely. But the thing is good and excellent I would buy. But in our places LOW.
  8. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 22 March 2016 16: 02
    0
    Now everyone is putting on an elastic buffer. He set himself up but did not try.
    1. RuslanD36
      RuslanD36 22 March 2016 17: 34
      +1
      . Immediately, the non-outbursts went - too toddy and the mechanism was not designed for him. As a result, lying in the safe
  9. a-cola
    a-cola 22 March 2016 18: 36
    +2
    Quote: Engineer
    For hunting, a shotgun should be taken normal, and this is for self-defense and shooting in bottles from 10 steps. The laughter is only aroused by hunters who release the store one duck each. Hunting must be studied with a single-barrel, so from centuries old it was that one shot - one beast. And people with machine guns drive and a maximum of wounded animals. This is barbarism, not hunting. Saiga and Boar are not hunting weapons.


    But why not hunting? Well, it looks a bit different than a conventional double-barreled shotgun. And all the difference. The issue of wounded animals is a matter of hunter culture. It doesn’t depend on the weapon. In any case, you must be able to shoot. The number of rounds in the store is not the point. Nevertheless, to Boar there are 4 charging stores. I only take these for hunting. With them, the carbine is a little lighter and more compact, and there are enough cartridges in it for hunting.
    ps I mean the Boar 205-0 or with a barrel of even greater length. On 205-03, you will always need to use an extension cord, which, it seems to me, will adversely affect STP. I came hunting, took it out of the case, wound an extension cord and in theory you need to shoot. Although it may be for the smoothbore and not critical. I did not check it myself.
    1. Massik
      Massik 22 March 2016 19: 45
      +4
      Yes, because. Arriving by car, walking 200m to the hut and shooting at the flying pen is one thing. To walk 30 km from the house with pawns, spend the night and take a capercaillie in the morning is quite another. 30 years ago, when no one thought much of the cartridges, they used to hunt AKM-RPK outposts, but this is not an indicator at all.
  10. marshes
    marshes 22 March 2016 20: 27
    +5
    I imagine hunters, with a Vepr or Saiga 12, in expensive lumps in unloading, and so on ... Here in a day with an ordinary double-barreled 12 you are so busy that "bad" thoughts about purchasing "elegant ladies'" 20/24 caliber rifles are pondering. smile
    And since in the movies.
  11. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 22 March 2016 23: 27
    0
    very ergonomic and reliable - had a chance to shoot!
  12. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 23 March 2016 11: 41
    +1
    For hunting, all the same, more is the classic. The other day I took out a TOZ-34 from a safe, threw it to my shoulder - as if it had been poured in and already, as it were, was finding the target. I took Saigu -12K - not that, and it’s not so, and I have to look for a fly. As a weapon of self-defense, Saiga, like the Boar, is good, but still not very good for hunting. Although he somehow took Saigu for a duck hunt - he shot down a duck, but burned 4 rounds.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 24 March 2016 05: 17
      0
      All problems disappear when installing a collimator sight. Even the eyes do not need to be covered.
  13. D. Dan
    D. Dan 25 March 2016 12: 14
    0
    Be healthy! I have long dreamed of buying such a thing for myself - a little expensive ... she would have lived alone, and as a family, money would never be enough ....
    but my workmate took such a machine. Glad to the ears. True, he also chose from several pieces; he puts it well and in large numbers from a half-price, but not a trifle.
    and he doesn’t like the lower picatini, they say, is scratched.
    But it’s better that Saiga doubles (true, and the price is half) eats all the cartridges ... and they don’t even sell them cheaper.
    Then, as one person said, "ktozh sells Saiga" (all the more Boar)
    as for the classics, yes, of course, the amateur himself, I drag my 43 skinny man and don’t cry. But I think if you go to some sort of large store and select the same saiga 12 out of several, I would take it with pleasure.