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On patriotism and faith as a weapon against Russia

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It sounds silly from the very beginning. How can patriotism be to the detriment of a country? How can faith, which today is not a dogma in modern society, be harmful?


It may even be. If you approach this wisely.

At the weekend, one of my cable channels (“Spas”) saw an interesting dialogue. I did not watch the program from the beginning, so I caught the essence, maybe not in full. But caught the following.

Two people talked on the air. A rather young priest, from somewhere in Siberia, and of indeterminate age, a man, a laureate of something there stories, candidate and so on. Names and surnames are not important here in principle, since it will be about him, about the principle of approach to the topic.

Recorded the following dialogue.

Historian: How do you think a true patriot should honor and respect the faith of his ancestors?

Priest: Of course, at least - respect, precisely because it is the faith of his grandfathers and great-grandfathers.

Historian: Yes, because with the name of God, our ancestors did a lot of glorious deeds! Even Suvorov wrote to Potemkin: "Thank God, thank you, Turtukai is taken, and I am there!"

Priest: Everything done for the good of the state, a feat of arms or labor is a godly deed ...

Historian: But if we honor Suvorov, Kutuzov, all those who created our country, then we must honor the covenants according to which they acted?

Priest: Yes. And the church, in turn, is working to ensure that the memory of the defenders of the Russian land, from Alexander Nevsky and Dmitry Donskoy to the present day, is not erased from the memory of people.

Historian: In your opinion, should a true patriot of Russia, believing as his ancestors, comply with all the commandments of the church?

Priest: Of course I must. A true patriot is not only one who is willing to lay down his life for the sake of his Motherland, but also one who honors his parents, properly educates his children, lives according to the precepts of our Lord.

Historian: So, a patriot should also accept such concepts as sin, repentance, repentance?

Priest: Yes. Awareness of committing unrighteous acts and repentance is the way to the purification of the soul. For this is the mystery of confession, in which the believer can lay his actions at the feet of our Lord and repent if he has sinned.

I will not bore reading further, perhaps it would be easier to lay out the record, but this passage is enough, in my opinion. For further it began such that for myself I concluded that apparently, due to inexperience, the priest was simply substituted. Because further the bagpipes began about what we should repent to the whole world.

Say, out of context? Sure, not a problem. Visit RBC, "Rain" and so on. There a day at least once say on this topic.

In principle, I, as a person standing far from the church, are quite far away, this repentance seems to be all the same. If we proceed from those dogmas that I am a sinner from birth, then it’s like one more sin, one less ... Then I repent in bulk. But the trend itself ...

And the trend is fun. If this were an isolated case, then one could simply forget and erase it from memory. But all the time, the urge and calls for repentance continue. We must repent for Stalin, for Beria, for Afghanistan, for Abkhazia and Ossetia, for the Donbass, for the Crimea, for Syria ... Are we patriots? Are we Orthodox? Well, not all, but most. ROC in this regard well done. They neither yes nor no speak on this subject. More precisely, they say, but without specifying what exactly we should repent of. Just have to, for sinners. This means that everyone chooses for himself what to repent of. And everyone determines for himself where he sinned.

Here, of course, the field is not plowed in this regard. For, as recent events have vividly shown, to the same Chubais, the question of repentance does not even score a head at all.

Why then those patriots climb? Yes, they also consider themselves patriots of Russia. They also want for Russia only a bright future. But about this very future, they have very peculiar concepts. Like red and white a hundred years ago.

Why do you need this repentance? Yes, and those who are clearly not with us in the same trench? It's simple. The humiliation of the enemy, the opportunity to present him before the whole world in brown is the main task of our enemies. And to do it better from the inside, with the help of just such repentant.

Those who will moan on the topic "Why do we need Crimea", "Why do we need Donbass", "What have we forgotten in Syria" and further on the list? For some reason it seems that the list will continue. Stalin is so for swinging. Everything is clear with him, and it’s just fine that everything turned out according to his words. The wind of history blew the dirt off his monument. Not for everyone, of course, but this is not for everyone.

You know, I just can’t even imagine in the USA patriots of my country who want to repent. For the ditched Indians, for the Japanese burned in atomic fire, for the Vietnamese poisoned and burned by napalm. Just can not imagine this.

So why should we? Moreover, why do we let them broadcast on TV channels? Maybe we should take the practice of the most democratic country in the world? I admit, by the way, that they have patriots who want to repent, there are. But it is necessary to search not on TV channels, but in Guantanamo, Kuhn, Airway-Heights, Monroe, and other equally attractive places. There, apparently, and repent.

But in Russia for some reason, you can call for universal repentance. On quite a Russian TV channels. No question, this is also a part of democracy. Summon But on the more familiar "Voice of America", "Free Europe" and other waste bins.

An obvious flaw on the part of the information committee.

More precisely, this flaw has been known for a long time, but there is an opinion (and it is not only mine) that it’s time to twist the Gadget. Enough

Let's learn from the Americans. In a good sense of this expression. Learning that everything that a Russian does is done for the benefit of Russia. The question immediately arises that there are Russians like Kasyanov, Chubais, Navalny, who, as it were, do not quite fall into this category. More precisely, do not fall from the word "absolutely".

And here everything is simple. We must make them non-Russians. How it was done in the USSR. Passport to the teeth, to the border - and forward to democracy. Yes, this is a difficult question. But here it is necessary to give a voice in the appropriate scale. As an option - through those who want to sit in the Duma. And with a hint that can not be removed - recall. And this is for a candidate vbabahavshih a lot of money and did not have time to repel them - a terrible dream and awakening in a cold sweat.

And with the means of mass informing the Russians on the money of the West in the same way to do. Democracy? Come on! You can bring a bunch of "free" countries and formations, ranging from the DPR and ending with the United States, where there is complete order with censorship. And nothing, everyone is alive, and if you believe the media, everyone is happy.

Of course, rain type serpentariums are useful for glare for those who want to repent to the whole world and the West in particular. Well, let them work. But it is necessary to take appropriate measures. What, we have few places for repentance? Well, Solovki is now a museum, but there are Kolyma and all sorts of places in Yakutia where there are not enough workers. Let the same Sobchak, who drags clothes from a couturier for thousands of euros, will sew at least five quilted jackets per shift. Already benefit to the state.

The whole world has realized that we do not take power. But this is a past stage since the Soviet Union. There, too, it all began with the repentance of Bonner, Sakharov, Solzhenitsyn, Shalamov and others. And how did it all end?

Suddenly in Syria it turned out that we have bombers, ships, fighters, helicopters and missiles. In the forehead will not climb. From the cracks climb just these lovers repent. Now it's time to remember that not only ointments and anti-irritant gels work well from bugs, but dichlorvos also works well.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 March 2016 09: 34
    +16
    Let the same Sobchak, who carries couturier rags for thousands of euros, sew at least five quilted jackets per shift. Already benefit the state.

    Oh, and it’s time for her to go to the seamstress! laughing fellow wassat
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 22 March 2016 09: 51
      +8
      Yes!
      We must make them non-Russians. How was it done in the USSR. A passport in the mouth, to the border - and forward to democracy.
      HER! First, the confiscation of everything, all accounts and property abroad, then 10-15 years to work for the moral and material damage caused, and only then - the LBG passport, a certificate of release, three "doshirak" on the track - and with a "clear" "conscience" to freedom,
      there-in democracy !!!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 March 2016 10: 14
        +7
        Here is a foul of forum, climbed! Roma Banshee, moved a normal topic! + yes share! hi
      2. Now we are free
        Now we are free 22 March 2016 10: 15
        +24
        A good article by Roman, but not completely disclosed in my opinion ...
        The topic "Repentance of Russia to the whole world" quite often pops up both in the media, on the Internet and directly on VO. On the one hand, Repentance is the highest manifestation of nobility, all the more so if it occurs in public. Repentance is the highest manifestation of strength, strength over oneself, for by repenting (all the more publicly) you deny narcissism to yourself (Beloved, sleek and cherished). Repentance is a sincere desire to acknowledge the truth through self-deprecation (if it happens in front of the eyes of OTHERS), and in this word OTHERS is the essence.
        This immediately raises the question -And who are the judges? Who will appreciate the act of sincere repentance / repentance? The current "Partners of Russia" have more than once (and what is there more than once, already a hundred times!) Have shown their hypocritical attitude to human lives, foundations, laws, even to their OWN PROMISES given by them in WRITTEN FORM.
        Guys to whom to repent then ??? Maybe in front of domestic liberals? Before this national team, the hodgepodge degraded to the level of marginals and opportunists ready to OPENLY collaborate with anyone from outright bandits and thieves to fascists and Russophobes (Hello Kasyanov, Kasparov and other seam ...).
        And I want to repent YES NOT BEFORE WHO ...
        Of course, many will now write -Repentance is an intimate act (and repentance is not for "Likes" and the approving shaking of the audience's head -So how noble he is -Repentant!) Between God and a man who honestly admitted their mistakes. Here I agree, BUT in Russia they always repented frankly and honestly and -Domes in Russia are covered with gold it was not in vain sung in one famous song ... The people of Russia have always been able to admit their mistakes and, unfortunately, it was on this that Russia was often "caught".
        -You repented:
        Not until the end
        Not for everything you did
        Not in front of everyone

        STOP Guys, again, let's share -I repent 1) -Before God 2) -In order to sincerely admit my mistakes and ask for forgiveness 3) I do not repent with intent that after seeing my repentance, someone "Liked" me in this case it is already chanting -Pride (self-glorification), which is a sin.

        As Sergei Dorenko once said, “Do you want the Russian to argue with you?” Talk to him about justice ... Russian will ALWAYS enter into a dispute about JUSTICE and TRUTH. This is embedded in the Russians at the gene level (there is no dispute) but a search for Justice and Truth.

        It seems that our country has repented enough since 1991 for its "Bloody Tsarist / Soviet past" ... Maybe that's enough? And the question here is not at all that Russia, the Russians are proud, no. We will continue to repent ONLY BEFORE GOD, because as can be seen from the events taking place in the world now, there are no people left to repent of, only spineless spitting and stinking creatures (look at Poland, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, Ukraine, etc. " Always offended ").
        And as Roman correctly pointed out in the article, maybe those who so urge us to repentance will begin to begin with themselves? They should not be embarrassed by Russia; we will understand and accept what to say about God; HE will always forgive ...
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 22 March 2016 10: 29
          +6
          Quote: Now we are free
          can those who so urge us to repentance begin to begin with themselves?
          I recalled how in 1998 the burial ceremony of Nicholas II and his family took place during which the "unforgettable" EBN said: "This is our overall guilt and we must repent. "I will note that these words were uttered by the man who at one time blew up the Ipatiev house, where the royal family died. By the way, Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov was the chairman of the Commission for the reburial of the remains of the Russian emperor and his family members. "righteous man".
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 22 March 2016 11: 09
            +24
            People, what kind of repentance are we talking about ?! For what?! Before whom ?! On what grounds, any of those in power are trying to repent for me or my grandfather and grandmother ?! I'm already tired of writing about Katyn, Stalin, Beria, Ivan the Terrible, Peter and Catherine the Great! Everything that we were proud of before, everything that constituted our historical heritage was watered and continues to be watered with mud! There, the "memorial" garbage dump is holding an exhibition on an "alternative" view of the Great Patriotic War, and not somewhere in Brussels or Washington, no, but in the capital of Russia! There is a total revision of the results of the Second World War, does it remind you of anything from history ?! No talk in German pubs in the 30s of the last century ?!

            No repentance! At least not on my behalf, nor on behalf of my ancestors! We have nothing to repent of and no one to!

            P.S. But don’t write to me about repentance before God, the time will come, I myself will repent, I will answer myself!
            1. anykin
              anykin 22 March 2016 12: 48
              +5
              "Just don't write to me about repentance before God." So I also think, why did the author attach here repentance to God? States live by the law of force. Forces are balanced between states and forces are balanced within states. Everything else is verbiage (well, or an attempt to use the so-called soft power). All this has nothing to do with church life and repentance before God.
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            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 March 2016 13: 57
              0
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              On what basis does one of those in power try to repent for me or my grandfather and grandmother ?!

              Diana, does anyone have a last name? Something I have not heard that someone from our government is calling for this or even trying to do it for you.
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 22 March 2016 11: 30
            0
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            these words were uttered by a man who at one time blew up the Ipatiev House, where the royal family accepted death

            which doesn’t happen when drinking ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 March 2016 13: 13
              0
              I will not bore reading further, perhaps it would be easier to lay out the record, but this passage is enough, in my opinion. For further it began such that for myself I concluded that apparently, due to inexperience, the priest was simply substituted. Because further the bagpipes began about what we should repent to the whole world.
              I would like to hear what the priest specifically said. What happened next ??? I did not see anything criminal in his cited words.
              Repentance of a person for sins, so every "good" deed has a sea hidden away. Maybe repentance for bad deeds is bad?
              As for the words that I did not hear that Russia should repent to the whole world, this is only from the words of the author. Why are not given in the article?
              Russia, as a country, owes nothing to the world! In short, minus, because there is no link, no specific words of the priest himself.

              Let's learn from the Americans. In a good way of this expression. To learn that everything that a Russian does is done for the good of Russia.
              We have nothing to learn from them !!! Another minus to the author.
        2. Ostwest
          Ostwest 22 March 2016 10: 43
          +3
          Great explanation. The article raises the problem, you wrote a training manual, although questions always remain.
          The Lord made people the same, but some chose to deny God. Is it right for the believers to repent before them? After all, it is said: Do not swirl the pearls before the pigs. This seems to be our option.
          1. jjj
            jjj 22 March 2016 10: 58
            +8
            Repentance is a personal act of acknowledging your passions, realizing that you cannot overcome them and asking the Lord for forgiveness. We say: "Lord, cleanse our sins; Lord, forgive our iniquity; Holy One, visit and heal our infirmities, for Thy name's sake." They pray and repent only for themselves.
            And when some heralds start sly talk about a certain repentance of Russia before the world, then this is actually from the evil one
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 22 March 2016 12: 07
              0
              Repentance is a personal act of acknowledging your passions, realizing that you cannot overcome them and asking the Lord for forgiveness. We say: "Lord, cleanse our sins; Lord, forgive our iniquity; Holy One, visit and heal our infirmities, for Thy name's sake." They pray and repent only for themselves.
              And when some heralds start sly talk about a certain repentance of Russia before the world, then this is actually from the evil one


              This is the main meaning of repentance - ONLY FOR YOURSELF! and for what you have done ... and so it turns out "What are you for me?" (c)
              These priests pulled up! Like among psychics - there are real ones, but there are also those who have joined! It’s somehow not customary to criticize the Russian Orthodox Church, and there oh how many uncomfortable questions have accumulated! I recently learned in Rostov - the building of the Puppet Theater is being handed over to the church, moreover, in court, and it seems to be in an uncomfortable place in a former military institution. So in communication with God it is advisable to do without intermediaries. A sincere appeal to God with a prayer or a request for help is more effective than a theatrical participation in the officialdom of the church ...
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 22 March 2016 12: 22
                +1
                the building of the Puppet Theater is transferred to the church, and in court ...- This building itself is the Annunciation Church, which was taken from the Church during the Khrushchev persecution.
                Somehow it’s not customary for us to criticize the Russian Orthodox Church- where did they get it? not something to criticize, but they’re pouring mud on everything, everything.
                1. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 22 March 2016 13: 11
                  +2
                  Well, I wrote, and minus me - for criticism? repeat but I don’t seem to water with mud request I am against the increased intervention of the church in secular life, or do you deny it? and how did the Puppet Theater desecrate the temple? And what is the need, after so many years, to suddenly take care? Is it really a place in the city center? Why not build a new puppet theater in the center, in a park area or park, where you can take a walk with your children calmly, and not where it’s even impossible to park. By the way, what about the controversy surrounding St. Isaac’s Cathedral? Why bring discord where there is no need? Instead of reconciliation, unnecessary disputes and discussions ... hi

                  Pyss Pyz. And I try not to put down cons in normal discussions, I try to understand the other side and justify my wink
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 22 March 2016 13: 38
                    +1
                    Yuyuka, I didn’t put you a minus, although they put me in the case (in my opinion)
                    I agree that there is no need to bring contention where there is no need.
                    1. Yuyuka
                      Yuyuka 22 March 2016 14: 44
                      0
                      Yuyuka, I didn’t put you a minus, although they put me in the case (in my opinion)
                      I agree that there is no need to bring contention where there is no need.


                      The topic is very scrupulous and it must be handled very carefully, that's all I wanted to convey in my own words ... Our country, as they say, is multi-confessional, therefore the feelings of different people must be respected. Here is an example - the St. George Cross award, non-Christians were not awarded with it, in 1992 the award was restored. In Soviet times, the Order of Glory almost coincided with the status of the Cross, and in 1944 they even adopted a resolution equating the knights of the Cross with the knights of the Order of Glory. So, recently, a Muslim friend of mine complained that the St. George Cross of Russia is not an award for everyone, why did they not take into account the fact that Muslims are also worthy of awards of the corresponding status? It turns out that in the Soviet Union they thought more about not introducing discord even in such "trifles". By the way, does the Order of the Glory of Russia exist now?
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 22 March 2016 13: 17
                -1
                Quote: Yuyuka
                A sincere appeal to God with a prayer or a request for help is more effective

                Quote: Yuyuka
                A sincere appeal to God with a prayer or a request for help is more effective

                I’ll tell you right away that you personally have never done this, because a true believer who doesn’t even go to church will never write what you wrote. NEVER !!!
                1. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 22 March 2016 13: 27
                  -2
                  Quote: Yuyuka
                  A sincere appeal to God with a prayer or a request for help is more effective

                  I’ll tell you right away that you personally have never done this, because a true believer who doesn’t even go to church will never write what you wrote. NEVER !!!


                  belay something I didn’t understand ... Are you not a sectarian? Well, it’s typical for them to label and judge categorically ... And advise - where to read about a true believer, and even better to find out - what are the criteria for this true believer ?? Are they external or internal? And because of my stupidity, I thought faith in the soul means more than to shit, go to light a candle, repent, go out and swind someone for a wrongly parked car and have indulgence for another week, until the next repentance hi
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 22 March 2016 13: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Yuyuka
                    Are you not a sectarian? Oh, it’s peculiar for them to hang up labels and judge categorically.

                    Of course, I am not a sectarian, but wrote this because you were "pulled up by the priests" from your words. It’s probably difficult for you to live under their oppression, right?
                    Quote: Yuyuka
                    . And advise - where to read about a true believer,

                    But you do not read, you go into the Temple there and you will see.
                    Quote: Yuyuka
                    Are they external or internal?

                    Internally and externally! Faith without works is dead. Is it intelligible?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 March 2016 13: 15
            0
            Quote: OstWest
            . Is it right for the believers to repent before them?

            Repentance, before God !!! And not before the atheists, for it is said ..
            Quote: OstWest
            : Do not swirl the pearls before the pigs


            And for what repentance ..... let's just say, personally, I have something for that.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 22 March 2016 22: 24
          0
          In short, I’ll explain in a nutshell.

          God is or is not, and this does not depend on the existence of religion.

          Correctly? Undoubtedly ...

          What is religion?

          Religion is a belief based moral control system.
          Each religion may have moral values, or they may partially differ, a hundred historically confirmed, led to religious tensions and wars.

          Why should religion control morality?

          Because the one who controls morality rules the society.

          Examples? Easy...

          Ideology is a system of altered morality.

          Communism as an ideology (not to be confused with the social system, these are two different concepts).

          Assumes the priority of society over the individual. Those. according to communist morality, communists are obliged to sacrifice everything for the benefit of society or the state, which is almost the same thing.

          Do you know Pavlik Morozov?

          According to communist morality, he is a hero. He betrayed his father and uncle, since they concealed the grain from the state.

          According to religious Orthodox morality, Pavlik Morozov is Judas, since he violated the moral of family unity. He betrayed loved ones.

          Who is right? No answer.

          The Communists, with their ideology, a changed morality, saved the country, the people. Saved 3-4 times in a row. After all the wars and transitions.

          And Orthodoxy has preserved the people of 900 years.

          These are examples of what ideology, religion, and what is moral.

          Morality is the primary human survival system. This is what a person uses so that his beast does not eat and his neighbor does not kill.

          And patriotism. Yes, here's how you turn.

          But remember once and for all. All.

          There is no patrit in a single copy, it is a suicide. Patriotism is when the whole country together and every citizen believes that his fellow citizens will sacrifice themselves to achieve a common goal and only then can he be called a patriot.

          But remember. Disgusting things were done under the slogan of patriotism. For example, foreign territories were captured.
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    2. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 22 March 2016 09: 55
      +5
      Without Sobchak in any way. Otherwise, there will be no vivid example of how it is impossible. Here I am, for example, seeing a bunch of "patriots" in which "filly" immediately see that it is Scoundrels. I all understand who and what breathes there.
    3. cniza
      cniza 22 March 2016 09: 55
      +5
      Today it’s time to remember that not only ointments and anti-irritant gels from bedbugs work well, but also dichlorvos.


      Dust is their dust, but it is prohibited, while the author suggests.
      1. Wolverine
        Wolverine 22 March 2016 10: 09
        +1
        Yes, again, the enemies are dusted and banned so that their reptiles do not poison ...
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    5. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 March 2016 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Oh, and it’s time for her to go to the seamstress!
      According to rumors, she herself, like a sewing machine e .. uh .. scribbles. laughing
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 March 2016 10: 16
        +4
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        According to rumors, she herself

        The namesake, judging by the minus, Ksyushad was offended! yes
    6. Simon
      Simon 22 March 2016 10: 14
      0
      A good idea! Here she has a "house 2", so let all parasites and parasites accustom to work, even though it will be useful wassat
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 22 March 2016 10: 27
        +2
        I was kicked out, for which I don’t know, I don’t like gossip. And House-2 from Gazprom is being fed, which means we keep it.
      2. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 22 March 2016 11: 36
        +4
        A good idea! Here she has a "house 2", so let all parasites and parasites accustom to work, even though it will be useful
        "House 2" old stuff. It's time to open a new project "Zone - 1", together with Ukraine. The first Ukrainian participant already exists ... Will beat all ratings!
    7. Samaritan
      Samaritan 22 March 2016 10: 17
      +1
      From the article:
      ... Let's learn from the Americans. In a good sense of the term ...
      Will not work! In Russia, the opposite is true!
      Our rich means a thief, they have respect, respect and worship! The church is sinners, the ruler is a bloody ruler thinking only of himself, everything Russian - G ... western - the best of best and so on. etc. ONLY WHO US USED TO THESE STEREOTYPES ???
      The West also accustomed us, but we, like loshka in the 90s, believed and still cannot wean!
      1. Ostwest
        Ostwest 22 March 2016 10: 56
        -7
        Or maybe the communists taught it? All "..western - the best of best, etc. and etc. .." and reverently perceive, all sorts of Beatles, Ricks believe, etc., English, Sherlock Holmes had consequences in the form of crazy investments from our Aligarhs in their economy and there permanent residence. Although Prokhorov and the campaign, at least Pugacheva with the like. Until now, the consequences of that stupid propaganda have not been eliminated.
        So Gorbi’s betrayal can be perceived as the finish point of that policy. The crown of business is the end.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 22 March 2016 11: 22
          +12
          Quote: OstWest
          Or maybe the Communists have taught? So Gorbi’s betrayal can be perceived as the finish point of that policy.


          What have the communists got to do with it ?! Do not confuse communism with the garbage dump into which it was first turned by Khrushchev, and then Gorbachev and co! Of course, there were excesses with the iron curtain, if not for the total lack of information about the West and its "paradise" life, then the people in the 90s would hardly have bought chewing gum and jeans!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 March 2016 13: 05
            +2
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            What does the Communists have to do with it ?! Do not confuse communism with the garbage dump into which it was first turned by the Khrushchev, and then by Gorbachev and to!

            Was there once communism in our country?
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 22 March 2016 14: 11
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Was there once communism in our country?


              Communism is certainly a utopia, but socialism could have been built if not for the Khrushchev! Stalin would have lived another ten years, and then transferred the power to the same Beria, now they would not have cried for the destroyed USSR!
  2. pts-m
    pts-m 22 March 2016 09: 35
    -10%
    In some respects, the author is right when speaking of a wolf passport for our celebrity provocateurs. Interestingly, the people's deputy’s recall is legal or not even put on the agenda. At the level of ordinary people, patriotism is expressed in the abundance of life. There is something to live for, then Patriot. And if make ends meet, then patriotism remains a little bit.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 22 March 2016 09: 45
      +4
      91 lived a little richer than 45 or 60 hi do not simplify. and about amers: they say there, my country is not right, but this is my country - we would
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 22 March 2016 11: 57
        +4
        Quote: vanavate
        about amers: they say there, my country is not right, but this is my country - we would

        The fact is that the country of Russia was ALWAYS right IS ALWAYS!
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 March 2016 09: 50
      +19
      Quote: PTS-m
      .On the level of ordinary people, patriotism is expressed in the prosperity of life. There is something to live for, then Patriot. And if they make ends meet, then patriotism remains a little bit
      You have a good opinion about the people. That is, the level of patriotism is measured by the degree of fullness of the stomach? Tell about this to the Leningrad blockade.
      This is exactly how our western "partners" argue, like you, - "if we strangle the Russian sanctions, the refrigerator will win over the TV." Fuck you gnawed, dear ones.
      1. cap
        cap 22 March 2016 11: 50
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Tell about this to the Leningrad blockade.


        During the blockade of the city of the hero of Leningrad, Forbes magazine was not published in Russian. Maybe I’m wrong, but there certainly weren’t Stalin's commissars. soldier
    3. Pereira
      Pereira 22 March 2016 09: 58
      +1
      In some ways, the author is really right.
      His innocence would be more capacious if in his thoughts he took into account such a category as the presence or absence of state thinking.
      And this is a fundamental difference that not everyone is properly aware of.
      Where the layman repents for what has been done - why climb?
      A statesman repents for what has not been done - why didn’t they finish?
      This is for short.
    4. Simon
      Simon 22 March 2016 10: 22
      +3
      And during the Great Patriotic War the slogan was - "everything for the front, everything for victory!" and it was very hard for the people, there was not enough labor, everyone was at the front, and the people were starving. In Leningrad, people were dying of hunger, but they did not surrender the city to the Nazis. fool
    5. nikowolf
      nikowolf 22 March 2016 10: 30
      -7
      Good afternoon.
      I support your comment, but it is only necessary to add not "patriotism to the motherland", but "patriotism to power" hi
      1. Putinets
        Putinets 22 March 2016 11: 03
        +4
        That's interesting. If the government does at least a little something for the country, then to be in solidarity with it is a sin, obscurity. Is it a Russian national trait kicking any power? Everybody here knows how to play football, rule the country and knows religion
        1. nikowolf
          nikowolf 22 March 2016 11: 23
          +3
          I do not want to quarrel over stupid things. An example in a studio is what the authorities have done for the country over the past 25 years. I ask only the merits of the people not to ascribe to this.
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 22 March 2016 14: 03
          +1
          Quote: Putin
          . If the authorities at least do something for the country

          Judging by their salary, this is not "even a little", but just super professionals and just gods in their field. Compare the salary of professors, teachers, doctors and "power".
    6. weksha50
      weksha50 22 March 2016 11: 36
      +4
      Quote: PTS-m
      At the level of the common people, patriotism is expressed in the prosperity of life. There is something to live for, then Patriot. And if they make ends meet, then patriotism remains a little bit.


      Ghm ... You don’t need to insult your people SO ... I know grandfathers and old women who have a pension at the cost of living, and life, in general, is not sugar ...

      However, first of all, having received their pension, they go to pay all their debts (housing and communal services, etc.), then they live on the leftovers and say: "Nothing, we will survive everything ... If only there was no war" ...

      And by the way, many add: "May God grant Putin health" ...

      So grub and patriotism are different things ...
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    8. Aleksander
      Aleksander 22 March 2016 12: 12
      +4
      Quote: PTS-m
      . And if they make ends meet, then patriotism remains a little bit.

      By this logic, for example, the partisans of the 1812 of the year were people well
      with a very large income. And the Czechs, meekly raising their paws in front of Hitler, are infinitely poor people ... yes
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    10. RUSS
      RUSS 22 March 2016 13: 16
      -2
      Quote: PTS-m
      In what the author is right, speaking of a wolf passport for our celebrity provocateurs.

      First a wolf passport, and then a star of David on clothes?
  3. Putinets
    Putinets 22 March 2016 09: 37
    +26
    Everyone should repent only of his sins. Collective repentance delirium
    1. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 22 March 2016 10: 02
      +6
      There’s nothing for anyone to repent to mother and Russia. To repent for the Crimea, because he himself took and left the pro-fascist state and returned home? Or because the Orthodox are fighting to the death for their land from the brown plague? Maybe because they helped the Syrians to live in their own homes and in the world? In this case, the world has gone crazy. A crazy person should be isolated from a healthy society.
    2. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 22 March 2016 10: 05
      +6
      Everyone should repent only of his sins. Collective repentance delirium
      like Repentance for a team in which CAM you vibrate and if that, then repent for his choice !!!
      And the church also speaks of Samoraiskaniya!
      There’s nothing for anyone to repent to mother and Russia.
      And I will not repent for Russia! She always, any of her rulers wanted PEACE! Not everything and not everything turned out right inside, but she didn’t want to harm anyone outwardly, she only protected herself from vile attacks! I am proud of her!
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 22 March 2016 10: 13
        -1
        Quote: Pravdarm
        Self-repentance!

        about what, about what?
        funny term. laughing "You, you foe, will not repent! I will repent myself !!"
    3. DMB_95
      DMB_95 22 March 2016 10: 05
      +6
      Yes, repentance only in their PERSONAL sins is pleasing to God. The repentance of some obscure masochists for everyone and for everything that they come up with or their Western sponsors will tell them to God is unlikely.
    4. Letun
      Letun 22 March 2016 10: 07
      +4
      Quote: Putin
      Everyone should repent only of his sins. Collective repentance delirium

      Quite right. The author mixed something here in a bunch of religion, politics, and history ... If we are to call a spade a spade, then no one forces to repent for Stalin and Beria, they will answer for themselves at the Last Judgment. No need to substitute concepts, we are not forced to repent for them, but to condemn. And about "do not judge" in Christianity, too, everything is clearly formulated. So with all due respect to the author, in this article he clearly misunderstood something and thought out too much.
  4. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 22 March 2016 09: 37
    +8
    This makes no sense ! What did the priest say incorrectly and where did he "moan" about Crimea and Donbass?
    1. arane
      arane 22 March 2016 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: coconut tim
      This makes no sense ! What did the priest say incorrectly and where did he "moan" about Crimea and Donbass?


      The article is not written that way, re-read.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 22 March 2016 10: 09
        +5
        Quote: arane
        The article is not written


        I agree, but I also did not understand how the priest "substituted himself".
        Priest - "repentance is the way to purify the soul. For this, there is sacrament! confession. "
        Does the historian call for collective repentance (according to Akhidzhakova's method)? So "Putin" wrote about it well at 09:37 - "Everyone should repent only of their sins. Collective repentance is delirium."
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 22 March 2016 14: 07
          +3
          Quote: Dym71
          I agree, but I also did not understand how the priest "substituted himself".
          It seems that the priest did not substitute, but Roman Skomorokhov really wants to substitute him. Here Western anti-Russian propaganda and false repentant statements of our lyceum are drawn to the church concept of repentance and talking about it. Roman makes his conclusion in the spirit of anti-Orthodox propaganda of the same characters. Such a buffoon is definitely not in the country's favor. Minus article.
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 22 March 2016 14: 37
            -1
            Quote: Stanislav
            but Roman Skomorokhov really wants to substitute him.


            I don’t think so, Stanislav. Why is this Roman? request

            Quote: Stanislav
            Roman makes his conclusion in the spirit of anti-Orthodox propaganda

            You saw it that way, but for me the answer is here:
            In principle, to me, as a person standing from the church, it’s rather far away, it is as if all the same to repent. If we proceed from the dogma that I am sinful from birth, then it’s like one more sin, one less ... Then wholesale and repent.

            Everything is clear to me in these lines, except for the wholesale of course.
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 22 March 2016 17: 44
              +1
              Quote: Dym71
              I understand everything in these lines
              But I do not. The author, on the other hand, is not so indifferent and ignorant that he does not understand at all - Smakarevich, Akhedzhakova, and other "repentants" have nothing to do with the repentance that the Church speaks of (more precisely, they have a relationship similar to the author's). How can one show a priest in one picture with words about the soulfulness of a sincere prayer, and on the other - a "prayer" performed by a psek. Say, "you see what it brings - to a frozen chicken between the legs; I don't pray myself and I don't advise others!"
  5. EvgNik
    EvgNik 22 March 2016 09: 38
    +2
    Check this out. Already someone wants to repent. In surprise, I forgot what I wanted to write. Roman, thank you, huge +.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 22 March 2016 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: EvgNik
      Check this out. Already someone wants to repent. In surprise, I forgot what I wanted to write. Roman, thank you, huge +.

      I fully support!
      Quote: Dym71
      "Everyone should repent only of their sins. Collective repentance is delirium."

      And if a believer, then he should repent of his sins, and repent for others is crazy nonsense. But these human rights defenders do not go to jail for bribes, do not repent and do not take sin for the murders and robberies of criminals, but they urge to repent for no reason, maybe for the abortions of Akhejakova or Sobchak? It’s just a word, because the church equates these acts with murder.
  6. resh
    resh 22 March 2016 09: 39
    +10
    The holy righteous warrior Theodore Ushakov did not have such questions and did not interfere with honor to defend the Fatherland, make great victories and protect the sailors.
    1. nikowolf
      nikowolf 22 March 2016 10: 42
      +4
      Only after each battle did he repent before God. For sin took upon itself, took life from people. No one argues that the great admirals and generals were patriots, but no one wrote off their sins either.
      I am not an ardent believer, but please do not compare patriotism with God's law.
      Those who served and defended on the forum will understand.
      Please forgive me for such a rude statement.
  7. RUSS
    RUSS 22 March 2016 09: 39
    +2
    Let's learn from the Americans. In a good way of this expression. To learn that everything that a Russian does is done for the good of Russia
    The Americans, with their good intentions, paved their way to Hell, sending tens of thousands of civilians to Earth to Paradise, for the good of the USA.
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 March 2016 11: 02
      0
      One with an English mustache used to say that "Germany is above all"
      1. nikowolf
        nikowolf 22 March 2016 15: 59
        +1
        These are words from the first couplet of the “Patriotic Anthem of the Germans” (1841), written by the poet Hoffmann von Fullerleben (1798-1874).
        Only he has no "English mustache", but only a beard. hi
  8. arane
    arane 22 March 2016 09: 40
    0
    The article is true, interesting. The truth is a little stretched. Plus to the author.
  9. atamankko
    atamankko 22 March 2016 09: 41
    +3
    Let the liberals repent of their activities against Russia.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 March 2016 09: 42
    +8
    What a nonsense, what a fright we should repent for something. Do not confuse horseradish with a tram handle.
    Only a person can repent for the fact that he personally sinned. And repent for government actions, this is nonsense. You are my friend, just a provocateur. From our history we can only learn lessons, nothing more. You don’t have to damn it.
  11. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 22 March 2016 09: 43
    +17
    Dear Mr. Skomorokhov. It is necessary to repent in one’s soul and only for one’s sins. The priest said the right thing. We have to repent for Stalin and all the rest. Can we even repent to the Americans that we live? No need to turn the words of people. The media so twist that a normal person already spits. And at your leisure, familiarize yourself with repentance and realize that here you are wrong.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 22 March 2016 10: 56
      +1
      You are my friend, just a provocateur

      Dear Mr. Skomorokhov, you must repent in your soul and only for your sins

      Gentlemen, have you even bothered to read the article, or just the title and further on the diagonal?
      Just what you resent is the point of the article.
  12. gas113
    gas113 22 March 2016 09: 44
    -1
    Religion is history, our history. But do not make the present out of history.
    1. anykin
      anykin 23 March 2016 09: 06
      -1
      Is the story over already? I did not know!))
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    3. anykin
      anykin 28 March 2016 10: 15
      -1
      History is the chronological dates and events that occurred in them.
      History can be past and present.
      Religion is a worldview.
  13. cap
    cap 22 March 2016 09: 44
    0
    "Suddenly in Syria, it turned out that we have bombers, ships, fighters, helicopters and missiles. They will not climb into the forehead. It is these lovers of repentance that will climb out of the cracks. Today is the time to remember that bedbugs are not only anti-irritant ointments and gels. work, but also dichlorvos. "

    atamankko (2) RU Today, 09:41 New

    Let the liberals repent of their activities against Russia.


    What is no place for repentance? laughing I give the coordinates: Name of Kolyma
    National name sah / Halyma
    2129 Length
    Basin area 643000 km2
    Basin East Siberian Sea
    Water consumption 3800 m3 / s
    Source Ayan-Yuryakh / Kulu (river)
    Location of the source of the Okhotsk-Kolyma Highlands
    The coordinates of the source are 62 ° 17′31 ″ s. w.
    147 ° 43′57 ″ s d.
    The mouth of the East Siberian Sea
    The coordinates of the mouth 69 ° 33′5 ″ s. w.
    161 ° 21′51 ″ s d.
  14. Riv
    Riv 22 March 2016 09: 44
    +7
    The author confuses faith with religion, religion with church, and church with priests. Meanwhile, everyone believes in God in his own way, which means that everyone has his own repentance. However, repentance, according to the canons of the same ROC, is necessary for forgiveness. In turn, someone always forgives and always someone, the responsibility here is personal. And from whom do they ask for forgiveness on "Rain" and "Echo"? And for whom? For yourself, maybe? But this is not so, it is there that they consider themselves to be true patriots. And from whom they ask is generally not clear, but certainly not from God.

    This is the most common hypocrisy. And the hypocrites "already receive their reward."
  15. bober1982
    bober1982 22 March 2016 09: 45
    +8
    The author put everything together in one pile, Suvorov and Potemkin, some unknown repentance of Sakharov, Shalamov (?), It is not clear what the dialogue of the priest led to, calls for some repentance for Beria (?) - these are not perestroika times now, these are is no longer relevant, if you say fashionable, not creative.
    Article minus.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 22 March 2016 10: 09
      +6
      Quote: bober1982 The author gathered everything together, Suvorov and Potemkin, some unknown repentance of Sakharov, Shalamov (?), It is not clear what the dialogue of the priest led to

      There is such a method when you want someone or something to mix with dirt. For example, you take what the majority unconditionally supports, confuse it with what arouses hostility, and cling to the one you want to smear.
      Author, leads single words the priest literally (it wasn’t too lazy to shorthand), and where, he allegedly says that we must repent to everyone (according to the author’s opinion to the West), he conveys in his own words. It’s strange.
      When the broadcast went, as it was called, there was no such information. That is, there is no way to check. And, if this is not possible, then the author does not just not believe, but suspicions of bias arise. For example, the author hates the Russian Orthodox Church, but he can’t say directly about this at VO for some reason. The author, obviously, seeks a negative attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church, interfering in one pile Stalin, the nuclear bombing of Japan, Donbass and Guantanamo. Thus, the reader creates hostility to the priest, and at the same time to the church in general.
      Just these, lovers of repentance will climb out of the cracks. Today it’s time to remember that not only ointments and anti-irritant gels from bedbugs work well, but also dichlorvos.

      It remains to shout: "Atu her!"
      1. cap
        cap 22 March 2016 11: 30
        +4
        Quote: avva2012
        When the broadcast went, as it was called, there was no such information. That is, there is no way to check. And, if this is not possible, then the author does not just not believe, but suspicions of bias arise. For example, the author hates the Russian Orthodox Church, but he can’t say directly about this at VO for some reason. The author, obviously, seeks a negative attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church, interfering in one pile Stalin, the nuclear bombing of Japan, Donbass and Guantanamo. Thus, the reader creates hostility to the priest, and at the same time to the church in general.


        This is noticeable in the article. There is a substitution of concepts. +
  16. tajrov73
    tajrov73 22 March 2016 09: 46
    -18%
    For me, patriotism is where they feed well, and they drive us around the box, you go out of work, get food in garbage cans, but be patriots and protect our fat asses, you’re just meat.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 22 March 2016 09: 53
      +10
      in the trash can and place for you
      1. Simon
        Simon 22 March 2016 10: 28
        +3
        "in the trash can and place for you"- correctly said, such a geek can only live in a garbage can or in a garbage dump, they throw out a lot of waste, let them eat them!
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 22 March 2016 10: 24
      +7
      For me, patriotism is where they feed well,

      A barrel of jam and a box of cookies in the studio!
      And who brings up such?
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 22 March 2016 10: 49
        +7
        Quote: avva2012
        And who brings up such?


        McDonald's laughing
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 22 March 2016 11: 48
          +2
          Quote: Dym71 McDonald's

          Maybe the relatives are "innocently repressed"?
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 22 March 2016 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: avva2012
            Maybe the relatives are "innocently repressed"?


            Nah, then the beginning of the comment would be about the hated totalitarian regime, and not about good grub. smile
    3. nikowolf
      nikowolf 22 March 2016 10: 48
      +1
      My friend, I repeat. There are different concepts of patriotism. Patriotism of power and Patriotism to the Motherland.
      Think about it.
      I’m a patriot of my homeland, but I don’t care about rulers. I am Russian and I live in Russia, in a great country, where the most wonderful people, where the beautiful nature and only here you can feel what freedom is.
      I'm not talking about the media, it's time to clear this trash.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 22 March 2016 12: 46
        0
        Quote: nikowolf
        My friend, I repeat. There are different concepts of patriotism. Patriotism of power and Patriotism to the Motherland.
        Think about it.
        I’m a patriot of my homeland, but I don’t care about rulers. I am Russian and I live in Russia, in a great country, where the most wonderful people, where the beautiful nature and only here you can feel what freedom is.
        I'm not talking about the media, it's time to clear this trash.

        Nonsense. "Patriotism" - from the word "fatherland" and no power is used here. 60% of the commanders of the Red Army were patriots and fought for their Fatherland, not for power. This is a good example.
        1. nikowolf
          nikowolf 22 March 2016 15: 50
          0
          - civilizational patriotism (a conscious desire for equal, mutually beneficial, diverse and safe cooperation with other countries in the interests of Russian citizens);

          - state patriotism (a special orientation of consciousness and behavior of citizens, which is based on the priority of state interests);

          - nationwide patriotism (love of the Motherland and the Fatherland, willingness to stand up for the interests of the country);

          - national-ethnic patriotism (national feelings, commitment to the traditions of their people, religious consciousness and experience of intercultural interaction);

          - regional, local patriotism (love of a small homeland).

          As you can see, my friend and power here is involved. wink
  17. Abbra
    Abbra 22 March 2016 09: 47
    +11
    Quote: Tambov Wolf
    Dear Mr. Skomorokhov. It is necessary to repent in one’s soul and only for one’s sins. The priest said the right thing. We have to repent for Stalin and all the rest. Can we even repent to the Americans that we live? No need to turn the words of people. The media so twist that a normal person already spits. And at your leisure, familiarize yourself with repentance and realize that here you are wrong.


    Mr. Skomorokhov honestly admitted that he was rather "far away" from the church. And, out of ignorance of Orthodoxy, he coolly mixed flies and cutlets in one plate, peppering this dish.
    1. Armax
      Armax 22 March 2016 10: 20
      +3
      In general, the author did not understand the topic, the article is minus.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 22 March 2016 11: 08
        +2
        Quote: ArMax
        In general, the author did not understand the topic, the article is minus.

        But - plus, if only for letting it like that - amateurish, but - raising the topic!
        Perhaps this is the topic of the media - unprofessional, engaged, sometimes - just corrupt! Together with the journalists working for them ...
        1. Armax
          Armax 22 March 2016 13: 04
          +2
          Quote: CONTROL
          But - plus, if only for letting it like that - amateurish, but - raising the topic!

          The theme of repentance in Orthodox Christianity has nothing to do with the liberals' calls for repentance to the West.
          Everyone repents personally, for himself, for his own deed. Moreover, of his own free will, it is impossible to enforce it.
          Do not confuse this concept with liberal provocations.hi
  18. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 22 March 2016 09: 50
    +2
    The whole world has realized that we do not take power. But this is a past stage since the Soviet Union. There, too, it all began with the repentance of Bonner, Sakharov, Solzhenitsyn, Shalamov and others. And how did it all end?


    Yes, this is our Achilles heel. There are always reptiles ready to sell and betray, and often they win. Although all their victories are short-term, they always do a lot of harm!
  19. Hooks
    Hooks 22 March 2016 09: 53
    +3
    "But there is also Kolyma, and all sorts of places in Yakutia where there are not enough workers. Let the same Sobchak ..."
    will lead the BAM-2 project.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 22 March 2016 10: 00
      +5
      Build your love wassat
      A couple of days ago, accidentally turned on Dom-2, began to watch. Thy mother, it’s incomprehensible to a normal person in general, it’s generally ... Are these participants deliberately debilitated before being brought to this very House?
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 22 March 2016 11: 03
        +2
        Quote: Galich Kos
        Are these participants deliberately debilitated before being brought to this very House?

        ... yes!
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 22 March 2016 14: 15
        0
        Quote: Galich Kos
        A couple of days ago, accidentally turned on Dom-2, began to watch

        Judging by your comments - you watch House-2 regularly, with pleasure.
        1. Galich Kos
          Galich Kos 22 March 2016 17: 28
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          Judging by your comments - you watch House-2 regularly, with pleasure.


          Yeah, I don’t miss a single episode wassat
      3. Al1977
        Al1977 22 March 2016 16: 56
        -1
        Quote: Galich Kos
        A couple of days ago, accidentally turned on Dom-2, began to watch.

        All fans of Dom-2 say so)))))
        1. Galich Kos
          Galich Kos 22 March 2016 17: 30
          0
          And all the stupid people say that fans of house 2 say so fool
  20. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 22 March 2016 09: 56
    +4
    I will continue the author's theme. The other day I watched another chatterbox with a bunch of regular eHperts. There it was no longer a question of repentance, but of the fact that it was time for Russia to hire a PR agency "to improve the country's image in the eyes of the world community." Before whom to improve something? Before these thieves and robbers? We have a PR agency, the Ministry of Defense calls it very effective, and the managers there are quite professional.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 22 March 2016 10: 12
      +3
      Quote: iliitch
      We have a PR agency, the Ministry of Defense is very effective, and the managers there are quite professional.



      Exactly, Shoigu is a PR man from God.
  21. Signaller
    Signaller 22 March 2016 09: 57
    +3
    Well, you certainly remember the Victory Day on May 9th. And then there was the immortal regiment, a mass action in memory. And how many millions came out there. So on other forums there were so many libels, darkness. Of course, to the best of his ability, he fought off such writing. Personally, I think that these are all "hackers". not our people at all, not Russian. In Russia, each family has its own heroes and those who died in the Second World War, and so write about that this is rigged. I personally think. that these are not our people
    1. nikowolf
      nikowolf 22 March 2016 11: 01
      +3
      People are ours, only these are most likely the descendants of those to whom there is nothing to be proud of. Their ancestors most likely sat behind the rear during the Second World War.
      Frankly, without the examples of such people who are ready to denigrate my homeland, I myself would never have realized how much I love her. After all, it is at the moment of encroachment on her that you begin to look around and evaluate whether this is so. And you find out what is not.
      You were pushed in the subway or in the minibus and the mood is spoiled, you just need to look around and immediately the mood becomes better and you love your people and country again.
      For example, a gloomy man rode in the subway today and crushed a sitting girl with a bag. I had to make a remark, at first he unhappily removed the bag, and then turned to the girl and she gave him a sincere and grateful smile. The man sowed even in his eyes and he smiled and thanked me for the remark. You know, for the sake of such people you want to live, for the sake of people who know how to be sincere and grateful.
      Thank you for being there. love
    2. cap
      cap 22 March 2016 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Signaller
      In Russia, every family has its own heroes and those who died in the Second World War, and so write about the fact that it is rigged. I personally think so. that these are not our people


      Not just rigged, but also paid for. Who will publish patriots when the only measure of the part of the "people inhabiting" the Russian Federation, except for money at close range, does not see anything. Clouds must be dispersed so that "rains" do not come.
  22. raid14
    raid14 22 March 2016 09: 57
    +7
    The author should not distort the words of the priest, no one is trying to force the entire Russian people to kneel down and repent the whole world for other people’s deeds and actions, the speech about the personal responsibility of each individual person for hatred, money-grubbing, envy, lust.
    The affairs of rulers, commanders, executioners and traitors in the history of the state will judge the future.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 22 March 2016 13: 36
      0
      The author should not distort the words of the priest,


      The novel began absolutely correctly. The problem of patriots, without quotes, from the church is that they do not consider anyone other than Orthodox worthy defenders of the Fatherland and patriots. I had to somehow talk with such a priest. You can’t break anything with anything, he doesn’t hear any arguments, although I really respect this person for his deeds (a rare case for me in relation to the clergy).
      But then it went about the "patriots" who call to repent. To repent for ancestors or not is, of course, an interesting question. For example, should Americans repent of the remnants of the Indians? I think everyone will say that they should. Should Russia repent for the "genocide" of the Ukrainians or the Balts? IMHO - no. Why? It's not fair, double standards! No, the Americans and Western civilization in general have stained themselves with such crimes, before which the most terrible crimes of the Russian world - the campaigns of the ushkuiniks - are childish babble. And now if they can prove to us that our crimes are as terrible as the genocide of the Indians or the crimes of Nazism with its gas chambers and lohocosta. Then we, yes - will repent. Because it's honest. But in order not to be able to impose repentance on us for something that did not exist, we need to know the history and be able to correctly divert advances from Western "partners" and their henchmen of local bottling. And if we indiscriminately deny the need to admit the mistakes of our own and those of our ancestors, how will we differ from the West? When the Russian repeats the English mantra - "Russia (England) is always right", at that moment Russia will die.
  23. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 March 2016 09: 57
    +3
    Ka at Lermontov - "Horses, people mixed up in a heap ..." Why spitting in all directions? Well, if you don't like "Rain", don't listen to "Voice of America". For example, I don’t listen and don’t sweat, nerves are more expensive. I do not like Sobchak, me too, and to hell with her, let him live (not live) as he can. And Sakharov is not at all touched by the case. I didn't like the article - there is a lot of poison, and the conclusion is left to the reader.
    1. cap
      cap 22 March 2016 11: 43
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Ka at Lermontov - "Horses, people mixed up in a heap ..." Why spitting in all directions? Well, if you don't like "Rain", don't listen to "Voice of America". For example, I don’t listen and don’t sweat, nerves are more expensive. I do not like Sobchak, me too, and to hell with her, let him live (not live) as he can. And Sakharov is not at all touched by the case. I didn't like the article - there is a lot of poison, and the conclusion is left to the reader.


      I agree. Only to ask these gentlemen not to shine their asses on the Internet and let them live.
  24. Arandir
    Arandir 22 March 2016 09: 59
    +7
    There is one reinforced concrete argument that the author missed. They can beat their opponents and not write long articles and not repent before the whole world. I quote: Priest: Yes. Awareness of committing unrighteous deeds and repentance is the way to purify the soul. For this there is a sacrament of confession, in which a believer can place his deeds at the feet of our Lord and repent if he has sinned.
    Before the Lord repent. And our opponents substitute our Lord for themselves, right before our eyes and try to make us repent before ourselves. Calling us a nonexistent guilt complex. And we, instead of pointing to this substitution and immediately stop the discussion. We start long and tedious rassusolivat and try to make excuses.
    Moreover, our opponents in the lite version are atheists, which means they deny repentance and other divine dogmas. And in the most severe cases, they are the God-fighters Satanists. Then there should not be a conversation with them.
    Well, if it comes to repentance. If all the nations of the world kneel before God and repent. The peoples of Russia will also rise. Before God !!!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 22 March 2016 10: 19
      0
      Quote: Arandir Moreover, our opponents in the lite version are atheists, which means they deny repentance and other divine dogmas. And in the most severe cases, they are the God-fighters Satanists.

      I, so I think, in most cases, they are Satanists. Do not atheists equate to them. Believe or not believe everyone’s right. This does not stop being a person. And, here are those who work there for destruction, they are the radiant servants, no doubt.
  25. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 22 March 2016 10: 01
    +2
    Shalamov and others. And how did it end?
    how - "what"? The telephonel "The last battle of Major Pugachev", what else?

    The whole world realized that we could not be taken by force.

    The whole world has realized that the era of traditional wars is long gone. Now they take "by force through joy" (consumerism), "by force through twitter" and other "hybrid" forces. Like - "We split the atom - we will split the brain too!" Questions of faith, excuse the cynicism, also refer to brainwashing tools.
  26. Saffron
    Saffron 22 March 2016 10: 12
    +1
    Bent clown personalities and television channels are sometimes necessary so that their foreign patrons do not scream that our freedom of speech is oppressed, but sensible Russians, after reading their articles, understand how lopsided they are, they’ll dig up all the dirt and never pay attention to the positive aspects, and why, these comrades for dirt, were created, so let them squander in that mud aside ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 March 2016 10: 49
      +7
      Quote: Saffron
      Crouched clowning personalities and TV channels are sometimes necessary,

      But not at our expense! And they have already moved from the department "This is not allowed" to the department "That's how it should be"!
  27. krops777
    krops777 22 March 2016 10: 12
    +2
    It sounds silly from the very beginning. How can patriotism be to the detriment of a country? How can faith, which today is not a dogma in modern society, be harmful?

    It may even be. If you approach this wisely.

    This is just the opposite. Make a fool of God prays, he will break the whole forehead.
  28. krops777
    krops777 22 March 2016 10: 14
    +2
    The whole world realized that we could not be taken by force.

    Because we are not only strong in arms but also in spirit. angry
  29. Arandir
    Arandir 22 March 2016 10: 15
    +5
    And in general, I don’t understand how you can first convince the peoples of Russia of what a monster Stalin was, and then try to force these same peoples to repent for Stalin. They impose schizophrenia, a split consciousness.
    Or the truth is that Stalin loved the people and did good deeds for the people. The people loved and honored Stalin. Stalin exterminated the true enemies of the people. But he did not finish everyone. And now these disadvantages are trying to make us repent for those justified repressions. Because our grandfathers loved this monster, a monster for them, and for us, the Father of Peoples. For motherland for Stalin!
    Can we still repent for Svyatoslav the Brave, for the fact that he destroyed the Khazar Khaganate?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 22 March 2016 10: 36
      +1
      Quote: Arandir
      And in general, I don’t understand how you can first convince the peoples of Russia of what a monster Stalin was, and then try to force these same peoples to repent for Stalin. They impose schizophrenia, a split consciousness.

      yes, perhaps.
      but we do not have a clear national idea. No way, you know, we can't find its core - the saints mumble about Orthodoxy, age nostalgians - about the "Russian world", meaning the USSR 2.0, etc. Everything is amorphous. Well, and the authorities ... I remember the Minister of Education issued: “Our goal is to educate a literate consumer... "Curtain. However, everything is correct - a consumer society cannot have a national idea a priori. the American dream in an authentic national way. Twenty-five years ago, this virus was launched to us.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 March 2016 10: 52
      +6
      And for the Prophetic Oleg, for the fact that the gates of Constantinople with his shield disgraced!
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 March 2016 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Arandir
      for Svyatoslav the Brave

      Latin Jews still cannot forgive us Oleg’s shield on the gates of Tsar-grad.
      We are for them enemies until the end of time. Amen.
    4. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 March 2016 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Arandir
      for Svyatoslav the Brave

      Latin Jews still cannot forgive us Oleg’s shield on the gates of Tsar-grad.
      We are for them enemies until the end of time. Amen.
  30. askort154
    askort154 22 March 2016 10: 29
    +3
    I completely share the views of the author. I believe in God, but what has to do with the "priests". I repent of my mistakes, purely in my mind, why should I tell this to the priest. Why should I "repent" to the enemy that I was defeated. This is the logic of the defeated, from impotence, to demand repentance from the victor. This is defeatist logic. Russia is not a country that "should" ask for repentance.
    there is no one to "repent". I consider the most important gene of Russia - a heightened sense of justice and magnanimity. Therefore, "THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND RUSSIA." Therefore, RUSSIA is a "bone in the throat". Russia does not fit the stupid postulate: "if you hit on your left cheek, substitute your right."
  31. Lanista
    Lanista 22 March 2016 10: 35
    +2
    I agree with the author. Repentance is a personal matter for everyone, and there can be no question of any collective repentance for the "sins" of our ancestors if we want to create a truly great state and a capable society.
    The era of "mass repentance" was the 90s. Intoxicated by the idea of ​​"repentance", they brought the country to the brink of an abyss, and we were able to move away from this edge only by proudly raising our heads.
    And let's separate public policy from religious dogma. Within the framework of Christianity, there is the concept of original sin - that is, in fact, Christianity claims the sin of every person from birth; however, at the level of political reality, such a concept unambiguously leads to inevitable defeat. That is why religion should remain the individual choice of an individual citizen (if you want, repent even of your own sins, even of the sins of your ancestors, even of the sin of Eve - but individually, please); when calls for the repentance of the state / people / society are heard - wait for problems.
    And finally, the main question: who determines WHAT is sin? Sin is not at the individual level of an individual citizen (everything is more or less clear here, it is determined by religious dogma), but a sin at the level of society? Does the same Christian liturgical practice provide for at least some form of collective repentance? As far as my insanity does not change me, repentance is a sacrament preceding the sacrament ("there is no communion without repentance"), but has anyone seen the collective sacrament?
    Concerning the separation of state / public institutions from religious ones, Christ said: "God - God, Caesar - Caesare."
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 22 March 2016 10: 56
      +1
      Quote: Lanista
      there can be no question of any collective repentance for the "sins" of the ancestors,

      and I, for example, an atheist. Secular authorities, as a voter, did not authorize to apologize to anyone and to break their hat. Oil with humility, repentance, and other priests' snot to me at all side. Naturally, as are papal encyclicals. laughing Maybe the late Ridiger, when he called to repent to the Germans, had something of his own, the reproachfully sacred had in mind, but it infuriated, I remember, not childishly.
  32. Gray 43
    Gray 43 22 March 2016 10: 37
    +2
    The West needs not so much moral as material repentance from Russia, territories, resources. It is unfair to somehow repent to the Poles for Katyn, although everything is sewn with white thread, but Warsaw is silent about the Red Army soldiers who perished in Polish captivity, I would not be surprised if, years later, we are required to repent for the destroyed non-humans from ISIS, for the Polish delegation that died, but for some reason " brotherly "Ukraine has not repented for our plane shot down over the Black Sea. We do not repent of weak politicians.
  33. xorgi
    xorgi 22 March 2016 10: 41
    +4
    The author confuses the repentance of a sinner and public repentance. According to the Christian religion, including the Orthodox, a person should repent for OWN actions. If a person repents for other people's actions, then this is an even greater sin, because he is trying to judge other people and assumes the functions of God: according to the New Testament, Jesus Christ repented of our sins, he is the son of God, it is possible for us, we cannot. We must be responsible for our actions: whom each of us killed, robbed or slandered. Everything that the author wrote refers to public repentance, here I agree with the author, but the priest did not talk about this in the passage.
  34. CONTROL
    CONTROL 22 March 2016 10: 54
    +3
    Author Roman Skomorokhov, he is the site admin and moderator?
    I would propose, without hesitation, not to get into questions that are poorly understood! Repentance is an intimate thing and process; repent before God; and public repentance (before whom?) is the same public sexual act (something has come into fashion recently!); not for nothing in Christianity the secret of confession is indestructible (and even Catholics dispute it - papa ...). I watched this program - yes, the priest was young, could not be found - or rather, they did not give me - what and how to object. Repentance - private moment in their personal sins like you them personally you know - by virtue of his personal faith but - faith in general Our Lord! ... Akin to the individual interpretation of "universal human values", but vice versa; in a simple way - conscience is called. If it is, then yes ... repent, but no - and there is no trial ... and there - no!
    ... In general, the Spas channel is more politically controversial than the Orthodox-religious one; you have - no, not a desire, God forbid - the need to join the Orthodox Faith: go to the temple of God! or watch the Soyuz channel! ...
    -----
    And so - yes, you need to look carefully, WHO calls to repent, WHO and FOR WHAT! but at the same time - before KEM!
  35. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 22 March 2016 10: 54
    +4
    repentance to God .. repentance to the west ... what nonsense ... why mix everything in a heap. For some reason, the author dragged faith .. religion to the requirements of the United States and others? What is it for? What is the commonality here? Or a call? Like a bad church ... working for the State Department ... down with her? Did the priest say about repentance to the west? Where is the link to the video? Al invented it yourself? If the author is an atheist ... so you don’t need to pass off your thoughts as thoughts of a priest.
    1. Vetal999
      Vetal999 22 March 2016 11: 38
      +2
      I think the author wanted to draw attention to the need for informational opposition "among the families that beg for repentance from us," but he stated it in a messy way.
      1. Alexander S.
        Alexander S. 22 March 2016 14: 15
        0
        That's it, that's messy too much. Focus on the whole religion. Now there is an info-war ... and everything should be carefully written ... I would pay attention to the priest ... cultural figure .. and other areas of our society ... I would give references to their judgments, etc. ... without summarizing ... but dwelling on the methods of this war .. and everything would be neat.
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      1. heaps
        heaps 22 March 2016 11: 17
        +4
        Maybe, but then he becomes w .. oh. For w..d and Russian is not a nationality, but a state of human spirit. And if you do not want to be responsible for your actions and sins, then what kind of man are you, what kind of Orthodox, what kind of Russian? Answer yourself this question.
      2. nikowolf
        nikowolf 22 March 2016 11: 30
        0
        You can and you will automatically become a w .. house.))
        The law of conservation of energy, purely technical. wink
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 March 2016 12: 54
        +1
        And Catholics used papal indulgences - that’s the class - you can immediately wholesale (in advance) to pay off 20 years of sins ahead. And what the hell are ... yeah?
        1. nikowolf
          nikowolf 22 March 2016 15: 44
          +1
          I don’t know how much the Catholics have, but no matter how much you pay, you won’t be able to get rid of your sins. It’s like a stigma, forever. Sin can be mitigated by righteous deeds, and in the end, the court will still decide. That court where you can’t give on your paw and you will not bribe witnesses.
          My respect. hi
      4. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 March 2016 12: 54
        0
        And Catholics used papal indulgences - that’s the class - you can immediately wholesale (in advance) to pay off 20 years of sins ahead. And what the hell are ... yeah?
  37. Vladycat
    Vladycat 22 March 2016 10: 57
    +1
    At the moment, Religion, Science, Government - each of them has signs of a sect. and each is fighting for his electorate (adherents). True patriotism (like faith) cannot be fostered with loud statements and posting photos of presidents and prime ministers in kindergartens. Love for the motherland should pass from generation to generation. And our parents undermined this love (I was produced in the 80s). Therefore, you need to start with yourself. In your head to restore order, watch less TV (or develop immunity from its effects). And by their behavior and attitude to try for children (grandchildren) to develop a character trait that would allow sincerely proud of our country and its history. Yes, our story is confused. But I will believe in the version that is pleasant to me and gives a response within me. Let it not be recognized by official historians (the same sectarians are still those). but it makes me feel proud of our ethnicity. And repent for our achievements - I consider it illegal.
    PS There was an old movie. There was a moment when the grandfather scolded the pagan idol, and his grandson asks: -Grandfather, how do you scold God? And the grandfather replies: -I’m his relative.
  38. RomanS
    RomanS 22 March 2016 11: 10
    0
    To understand how to eat well, you need a reference point. You need to be able to compare one with the other. Today we see how censorship works in Ukraine, in Europe, and in the democratic USA too. Let it be "Rain", "Echo" and let Sobchak remain (potent emetic). But it is their opinions that help us see objective reality, without rose-colored glasses.
  39. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 22 March 2016 11: 14
    +1
    Ukraine is ruled by rootless cosmopolitans.
    Therefore, their terminology has nothing to do with ours.
    For them, the Ukrainian people are manure.
    It is a pity the common people who are engaged in the propaganda of the invaders.
    1. nikowolf
      nikowolf 22 March 2016 11: 38
      -1
      And what does Ukraine have to do with it?
      My friends, I certainly do not believe in fierce propaganda, but I am surprised to read your comments. An article about Patriotism and Faith, that’s how Ukraine and its politics got together, the United States got in from somewhere.
      Is the USA in the subject somehow connected with your Patriotism or is it somehow influencing your faith in God?
      I would not be surprised if in an article about snowdrops in a meadow it is written in the comments: "how tired of this monkey Obama" or "Poroshenko has issued a new permogu".
      Sorry friends for the sharpness, let's get on the topic. I want to talk with people on the topic that interests me, if I want to talk about Obama, it’s easier to write in another article, where it’s about him.
      Sorry for being rude.
  40. weksha50
    weksha50 22 March 2016 11: 23
    0
    "Why is this repentance necessary? Yes, and those who are clearly not in the same trench with us?"...

    As an example, practically repentance to Poland for Katyn ...

    Now Poland is trying not only to pile up on its neck, but also to chat with its feet and push it with a whip ...

    Russia is not obliged to repent to anyone and nothing ...
  41. heaps
    heaps 22 March 2016 11: 28
    +5
    Quote: Vladycat

    PS There was an old movie. There was a moment when the grandfather scolded the pagan idol, and his grandson asks: -Grandfather, how do you scold God? And the grandfather replies: -I’m his relative.
    Sorry for my five cents.
    It was evening, we had dinner with our family. Doorbell. I open it. There is a woman, an evangelist, 50 years old, beaten by life, and her son, 30 years old, also punished for sins. And she immediately declares to me: "Do you think you can be friends with God." I choked. The answer is: "What are you doing crazy, what can I do to God as a bro, like give me a dough, but maybe I will give it up sometime?" The woman went nuts no less, she could not say anything in response and left.

    Well, and at what kind of kinship are you with God?
    Here we have a bunch of direct descendants running from the settlers.
    1. Vladycat
      Vladycat 22 March 2016 11: 41
      0
      Each has its own concept of God. Anyway, we are all created in the likeness :))
      1. heaps
        heaps 22 March 2016 11: 46
        +2
        Demons are not made in the likeness.

        And about the concepts of God, read the "balamut's notes" in the net is
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 22 March 2016 14: 46
          0
          excuse my illiteracy, but where did the demons come from?
  42. Vetal999
    Vetal999 22 March 2016 11: 31
    +2
    In my opinion, it is somehow chaotic. (Example: ... And here everything is SIMPLE. We need to make them non-Russians. As was done in the USSR. Passport in the teeth, to the border - and forward, to democracy. Yes, this is a DIFFICULT question ... ".
    The priest, however, clearly said: "Awareness of committing unrighteous acts and REPENTANCE is the path to the cleansing of the soul. FOR THIS AND THERE IS A SACRAMENT OF CONFESSION, on which the BELIEVER can place his deeds at the feet of our Lord and REPENT if he sinned."
    What the author of the article is talking about (about the "public repentance" which all sorts of families beg from us) is not repentance, it is called differently. The clans substitute for concepts and stir up a mess of church and secular. And most importantly in inform. politics - to explain it to citizens.
    Repentance is only the responsibility of the church, not the authority. If during the repentance process they are not saved: the goals are REMOVING and CLEARING THE SPIRIT OF A SPECIFIC PERSON (everyone should be responsible for their actions), the condition is the SECRET of CONFESSION, then this is not repentance, but PUBLIC STREPTISE. What about you, STRIPTISERS? I personally do not.
    I do not argue, it is necessary to admit mistakes and this is correct, but (sorry for the tautology) you need to do this correctly. How, I won’t say, because I think this is a matter of conscience for each individual.
    In addition, if you expel all the "wet-rain" ones, then with whom to discuss, how to learn how to deal with external balabolians - enemies, how to educate the younger generation, show them unpatriots and traitors by examples? And if they completely lose their shores, then there is the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - a clear law.
  43. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 22 March 2016 11: 35
    +1
    1) I'm not a very religious person, but even I am aware that repentance for sins is then repentance, when it is sincere and a person really takes the path of a new life, rethinking his past life and actions. Formalism does not roll here. This is akin to the statements of some Muslims who say phrases like - "Allah does not see at night", "Allah does not see under the roof" and the like. This person can be deceived and then not everyone, but it is not real to deceive yourself and God, so why try that ?! But some are trying ... 2) In Russia, since the times of the USSR, there are many people who are not the indigenous population of Russia and do not have patriotic feelings towards it. Many came to Russia after the collapse of the USSR, but not because they like Russia, but because in their beloved and so independent homeland, they have nothing to eat. So, dear author, you shouldn't be surprised that any Novodvorskys, with non-Russian surnames, hate Russia. This is a Polish surname, and the Poles, in their time, tried to conquer Russia. Remember False Dmitry I and False Dmitry II. These are the conquest campaigns of the Polish gentry against Russia. Failing to conquer Russia, Poland, for a time, was itself conquered and became part of the Russian Empire. Polish nationalists do not dream of Greater Poland today, From Sea to Sea. So Russia is like a bone in their throat and they are not alone. 3) In the Baltics, Russians were given passports of Non-Citizens and I agree with the author that Russia should issue passports of Non-Citizens to a patriot of Ukraine and other independent states who got lost in Russia, who do not like Russia.
  44. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 22 March 2016 11: 42
    +1
    To prevent infection, you need to be vaccinated with this infection (smallpox, plague, etc.) The massive rejection in the minds of the people of liberal "values" and their apologists of the most right wing happened precisely when their "position" and "opposition" became VISIBLE, OPEN and ACCESSIBLE for everyone
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 22 March 2016 12: 11
      0
      Quote: VladimirVasilich
      To prevent infection - you need to be vaccinated with this infection

      Smallpox disappeared not because of vaccinations, but because of an increase in hygiene culture.
      Draw the analogy yourself :-)
    2. Vetal999
      Vetal999 22 March 2016 12: 39
      0
      She showed her schizophrenic grin!
  45. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 22 March 2016 12: 08
    0
    The topic is correct. Begin to repent of the little things - they never get off already, and so you go through sinners all your life.
    The beginning of the article is good. And the "intersection" of topics was noticed competently - now everything is tied to patriotism.
    And the ending is poppy. Dog on kalyma? Rave. All media are from capital, i.e. corrupt. Not there, the truth must be sought.
  46. gorgo
    gorgo 22 March 2016 12: 09
    +4
    Author, teach materiel, as they say. You write yourself that you are "far away" from the Church. Well, can you first read something, do a little elimination of illiteracy in this matter, and then put your thoughts on public display? And it turns out funny, I'm sorry.
    What does repentance for Stalin have to do with it? Who said what priest, where, when? What repentance for Afghanistan? Well, utter nonsense! This, my friend, your idle speculation - nothing more. But why write them publicly? ...
  47. Normal ok
    Normal ok 22 March 2016 12: 20
    +2
    The topic in the article is distorted. Repentance is an aspect INDIVIDUAL, PERSONAL man’s relationship with God. This is its essence. The state, by definition, cannot repent, because it is not a person but an organization.
    Further, more, what is sin? For example, protecting your country is not a sin; sin is to commit war crimes. BUT, again, this is a sin of specific people, and they repent. I am not talking about the law right now, because the topic of the article is repentance before God and not the law.
    The state as a whole has a different responsibility. The state, as an organization, must ensure the functioning of the law, public institutions, the same church, so that society is healthy, more or less fair and does not slide into chaos. If the state does not fulfill this function, it will degrade over time (break up / conquer). And this is a historical pattern.
  48. Horn
    Horn 22 March 2016 12: 20
    +2
    You can repent before God. It is a sin before someone else. For by this we put this other on the level of God, and this is idolatry, the creation of an idol and the exaltation of false gods.
  49. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 March 2016 12: 25
    +2
    Repentance is everyone's personal business. And when they call to repent the whole country, this is of course too much. Moreover, there is a person in the country who, for any speech, on any topic, repents for the entire Soviet past. Thanks to him, in violation of the constitution, liberalism is the main ideology of today's Russia. It is thanks to him that the above listed exist: Echo of Moscow, Rain, House-2.
  50. Mercenary
    Mercenary 22 March 2016 12: 51
    +2
    You can repent only before God, but not before all the Western scum, which God has long put in the register of cash payment of their sins. Paid and dirty tricks further what their remorse Only business.